I’ve owned both of these vehicles, and I can say for a fact that the Toyota will never let me down in any way that my Jeep might have. You’d struggle to find a newer Jeep with over 250k that still has mostly original parts. The Toyota Tacoma is in my opinion one of the best made trucks on the planet right now. Add a small lift, true all terrain tires, and a front locker. Unstoppable.
As a previous wrangler owner, and it pains me to say this because I loved it, my advice is spend a bit more and get the Toyota. Sure the wrangler might be ever so SLIGHTLY better off road, but that's ALL it does. It has no other use whatsoever. At least in the Toyota you can use it for towing or hauling stuff, AND it won't break down on you like a fiat Chrysler dodge jeep product will
Tim Strange I still haven't figured out why they didn't put the Nitto Terra Grapplers on them from factory like the 2015 TRD Pro 4Runner or atleast the BFG All Terrains they had on the 2015 TRD Pro Tacoma although I hate the BFGs they'd be better than what's on it now.
youre telling me..those good years with 6000km on them had 25% wear off them 9/32 ends left all way around lol..i got a trade on toyo mt 265/75 and holy shit is the truck awesome..i have a 17 OR (y) crawl control is a fun feature too!
I think Toyota has accepted the fact that many Tacoma owners will never take their vehicles on a serious off road adventure like these guys did. The average person driving around town will see worse gas mileage, worse handling, and braking compared to the all season tires on this truck. The serious off roader would probably be even better suited with an Icon suspension upgrade, and some serious tires like the KO2s. That package would make this trail into a drive to the market.
2nd that. My Tundra died at 74K miles, out of warranty, and Toyota flat out admitted "we don't know why it's doing what it's doing and we don't know how to fix it. Please remove it from the dealership." They suggested changing the computer for $5000 and changing all of the injectors for $2500 and offered no assurances that either would fix it.
Jeffrey Hargis You just were not lucky, I saw many of these with over 300'000km, I know someone that had a Toyota Echo that was always broke, well she had the 1% cars that doesn't work that's all, there's nothing to do with that, every brand has their broke cars
It looks like it was, but there was gunk all in the tire thread and they were wet. Both front wheels were slipping. The Tacoma had very little gunk though. Good tires make a big difference... and the Rubicon would easily make it up there
although the jeep wrangler is very expensive especially the Rubicon, they hold their value very well. The Tacoma holds resale value just as good. matter of fact I'm not sure if any other vehicles hold their resale value as well as the two.
@@nerfret not anything with a v10 😂 ur telling me all the Ford trucks with the triton v10 hold their value lol, Jeep’s Toyota’s and diesels hold there value
I had a jeep before. It's pretty decent but for the money ill take any Tacoma any day. I think Jeep wrangler are overpriced for what it is. Although, I'll take both if I have the money
Sky Trooper If it's a choice between a 2016+ Tacoma and any Jeep, I'd take the Jeep. The 2016+ Tacomas are weak, inefficient,and in need of big capital.
Greg K If you read the posts over on Tacoma World you'd know to avoid the 3rd gens like the plague. Poor reliability (even Consumer Reports ranked it last place in their Fall 2016 survey), a weaker lower torque v6 (compared to the 4.0), and tons of transmission and differential issues. The front diff vibrations got carried over fron the 2nd gen andbthe new rear diffs either howl or just plain grenade. Yeah... I'll take the Jeep thanks. Tried and true platform.
My family is a big Japanese, especially Toyota loyalist. Im the Odd one I just dont like following the herd but one thing I know is that Toyota build very reliable vehicles compared to any other brand. I"ve been a follower of Chrysler products and so far isnt impressed. Sadly my next car/Truck is gonna be a Toyota or something else besides Chrysler.
I know you guys use the cars with what they are equipped from the factory, but these tires are actually far from ideal for the given conditions. A nice set of Toyo MT's or BFG KO2 A/T's and this terrain will look like a kids playground for the Taco!
There's no disagreement that the tacoma is weak in some ways compared to the Jeep, but so is the Jeep. That said, the new tacoma is a VERY capable rig, but it can only be as capable as the driver. In this case, the driver seems to have little to no experience in off-roading which just made the tacoma not do as well as it could have. I've seen the new tacoma pro off roading and with the right driver it can do damn well.
The Toyota axles are far stronger than the Jeep D44's. Even the Toyota 8" IFS is far stronger than stock D44 shafts (the weak link in the D44 on the heep). If you haven't seen the newer toyota 8" front setup - you should. It's very strong. The axle shafts are probably around 50% or more stronger than a D44's little baby u-joints. It could use a locker up front though. Unfortunately it's a $1500 option (from ARB). Oh well. The rear axle is probably around 30-40% stronger than a D44 failure torque.
ZR2 has front lockers so crawling is not of a problem plus with an improved approach and departure angles, increased hp and torque and 8 speed transmission. Hope to see a head to head with the TRD Pro and ZR2.
Always one guy has to bring up the zr2. Not a bad truck I love watching the video of the trd off-road pull the zr2 out of the mud, in the head to head.
I have made an observation. Most of these Tacoma videos are done in cold climates. So it would naturally be interesting to see one them done in a very hot climate like down here in Texas.
Not sure I see the point in stuff like the crawl mode going uphill. Isn't half the fun of offroading the challenge? Downhill I can see because of safety, but otherwise...eh.
ants mirez, that's really misogynistic of you. Perhaps you should stop projecting your insecurities about your ever so fragile masculinity and skills onto women in a derogatory and counterproductive way, because there are LOTS of women out there who could leave you behind when it comes to off roading. Women can do anything men can. Hope you have a day as well as you treat women and others.
I find it plenty of fun (y) dont use it every time but sometimes I like to and its pretty cool and sometimes i gotta really watch my surroundings so crawl feature is really nice at times (y)
Sometimes it's not about the challenge, but about getting somewhere. The fly-fisherman who wants to get to his isolated lake probably isn't concerned with the challenge and 'fun' of off-roading, but rather sees it as a necessity to get to his fishing hole. In that person's case, a truck is a tool, rather than a toy.
I have both a 2017 Tacoma and a 2017 Jeep honestly they're both very fun they both have unique things that make them better I can't complain I love both my truck and my jeep
Great little video. Coming from a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with 37" tires and a 2.5" lift. It is a very different world stepping into my 2016 Tacoma Off Road TRD DC. Here is one major game changer for the Wrangler, the 4 door seems to always traverse over obstacles better than the 2dr. Having the shorter wheelbase is not always the most beneficial. Also, it didn't seem that the JK Wrangler aired down his tires at all or enough. What you will see, even with the PRO is that the tire size is not large enough to overcome medium size boulders. So you'll find yourself having to pick multiple lines to get over what would otherwise look like an easy obstruction. No doubt in both worlds (Jeep and Toyota), a lift and bigger tires will always be to your advantage. Awesome thing is, there is great aftermarket support for the Tacoma. Almost all 2nd generation lifts and accessories cross over. This has been great for the consumer because they didn't have to wait long for parts to get to market. Replacing the factory tires with a more capable all terrain will give you the best bang for the buck out of the gates.
I have one but in MANUAL 6spd. Got rid of the tires and rims was my first upgrade. SCS Ray 10's and 265/70/17 Toyo M/T. Much more meaner and bad ass than any stock Taco without going over board.
Yeah, that part where he says the off-road performance isn't limited by the tires, the shocks, or the tech, the only thing holding the Tacoma back is...and I thought he was going to admit "the driver", but he said "the size". Are you kidding me? I've seen Subaru Outback drivers wheel their cars more skillfully here in Colorado than this guy drove that Tacoma. In the 8 years of off-roading my 4Runner I've never been limited by my its size only my own skill.
I own a Jeep, but do have to say the TRD was a pretty good looking truck. Idk if I would buy one to use as an off road vehicle, seems a bit expensive for that, but as a daily driver with an occasional need to get through some mud or muck, it looks like it should be more than capable. Not sure if I like that crawl mode though, kinda takes all the fun out of controlling it yourself.
How did you guys manage to get onto the power line trails in the NJ/NY area? That's my home-region and those trails are always closed to the public from what I ran into. Or did ya sneak in ;)
I have a bare bones stock cab 2011 taco 4banger. front and rear lockers ( Lincoln locked front diff, daily driver) on federal couragia 235/85/16s. it keeps up with fully locked wranglers on 35s with absolutely no issues whatsoever. for all the plastic tacos have, they are a robust little machine. it was 22k out the door.
sevenpointsixtwo Don't forget a better, rust resistant frame, rear brakes that belong in the modern era, a V6 that lives up to the 4.0 v6 at a minimum, stronger diffs that don't break so easily, a transmission that isn't so glitchy, etc. The new Taco TRD PRO is joke and a massive ripoff!
Um... the frames are dipped - very rust resistant and made from ultra high strength steel 780ksi stuff. The rear axle was upgraded to a new 8.7" diff that's actually very similar to a Ford 9" in strength and design. The engine is kinda meh though. I'm with you on that front. It's adequate, but not a powerhouse by any means. On the plus side it's vastly better than the other direct injection engines in long term durability. Googly d4s and why it's so important to direct injection longevity by solving the carbon intake valve buildup issue. The Tacoma will far far outlast any other DI engine in a truck. And long term durability is the goal for this product. Not to mention that it did win its class in it's first desert race at the Mint 400. So it did something right.
Did a similar trail with some Rubicons in my TRD Pro. There were some sketchy sections where I banged my diff and heard scraping metal which was disconcerting. Size is an issue as the truck is just bigger and longer so I couldn't place my front and rear tires over every boulder situation. My poor mud guards were also scraping everything but the taco did it and it was fun! Bonus was the super comfy ride home :)
Nice comparison and review. Just you should have picked a four door Jeep. I really like all the TRD Pro's, and I own a 2016 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. Guess I just love 4x4's.
Rubicon starts at $33.6K, so add auto transmission, premium soft top (obvious) and you are close. These are the only options I can see, but they didn't give a great view of the vehicle. Power locks, power windows and Heated mirrors and seats will push you up over $38K without tax tags and delivery. BTW, this is NOT a 2017 Rubicon
Bullshit it wasn't. Did you not notice the graphic on the hood?!? In fact, the one with a snorkel was ALSO a Rubicon. Now also, before you totally discount a "low-rent" Wrangler, the only advantages are really minor unless you like being below 10MPH - yes the lockers and electronic sway bar only are to be used at walking speed, limited to 4WD low. Aussie Lockers are better for 90% of off-road trails
Would be good to compare against a wrangler unlimited rubicon. Closer in size and price. I have a 2 door JK myself but this would compete more with a 4 door IMO
I bought a 2016 tacoma trd offroad and I love it's road manners.. drives great, decent power, ability to tow almost anything. and useable bedspace, as well as seating for 5.. I'm not a small guy at 6'2" and 250lbs, but I fit in it.. however I do wish the steering wheel tilted higher, (looking into modifying this soon), or possibly a lower profile seat bracket.. as the seat height is not adjustable.. why are you depending on the crawl control?? put the damn thing in 4lo, and 1st, or 2nd gear... sometimes you need momentum to carry you up an obstacle (bump).. get real guys and learn how to drive offroad.
The Toyota did very very well and that little button is like super tech super handy. Nothing beats the skill of human interaction though. If the Toyota would of had BF All terrains it would of fared better with the crawl control no doubt
Sweet video! I disagree about the tires, but that probably goes for the jeep too. Better tires make the truck far more capable, and most other all terrains are better than the stock all terrains.The knobs on crawl control aren't for "difficulty", but for speed. 1-5 mph.
Only thing can be said is fuel Econ.. But really, if you jeep, you are always prepared, extra fuel, come along, high lift jack, spare ujoint, tire plug kit, air compressure, and a few others. I wish to Toyota would make something competitive. Similar to the Jeep concept Hurricane or concept Hummer Hx. Structural, the jeep has is narrow and significant shorter WB. When some trucks climbing the steps uphill, people think it's just traction, a big part is wheel base, I'm not an engineer but having the rear axle close when bumping over a 12-18 inch step seems easy in my jeep. Another things possibility is gearing, torque.The thing truck vs jeep people do are similar, air down, etc.. Conversely, there's plenty of things that are a jeep problem, windy day you feel like at times you'll flip at 60-70. Payload. Jeeps are fun, when not tryin, top down, doors off, with the split door, the top pops out of the 3 holes. But, I'm wanting 2nd veh. Never getting rid of Lars. Toys cost a lot too. Steve
Growyourmind86 Take it easy, Toyota put junk Hino axles under that POS lol. Mak2 sure to have it undercoated so the legendary Toyota rust rot doesn't set in!
Clearly the ZR2 from Chevy is the mid-size off road truck to get the shocks are $8,000 alone on the Chevy and when you're bombing down long washboard and dirt roads the TRD Pro just can't hang. Plus the ZR2 comes with front and rear locking differentials and a 2.8 L diesel with 400 foot pounds of torque almost
Nothing Jeep makes will ever compare with Toyota. EVER. and This is coming from a former Jeep wrangler owner. I switched over to 4runner and it's best the decision ever.
Toyota's quality is long dead in the US for dpat least a decade and won't be back anytime soon. Terrible fuel economy, terrible power, unknown reliability, lots of vibration and harshness, and a whole lot less torque than the 4.0. The 3rd gen taco is a JOKE!
Quotes like "I'm not really doing anything" when he was in crawl mode makes me think that this is way to automated and it takes the real enjoyment out of crawling. Other than steering, you have no impact on it. To me, if I were to do any driving experience that would be for enjoyment, ex. Rock crawling, mudding, or even drift or track racing, I would want to have the full experience of it, not a watered down, so easy a grandmother could do it, experience.
Luckily, the Tacoma TRD Pro also comes with a true six-speed manual, and that's where you'll get the true experience. My test unit just happened to be fitted with the auto.
A question, I'm in a wheelchair, lost a leg, which Tacoma is it that has the suicide doors, like FJ, both door handles next to each other?? Makes it real easy to put the wheelchair in back seat wo being forced to bounce around normal door. Strange question, why in Suv category, jeep gets beat by Subaru, etc. alway! There great, but not as adaptive. Jeep is the premier, end all of the true def. of suv. Break over, turn radius, etc..The 2007 and prior 6 cyl. was the same engine for 35-40 years, nicknamed "bulletproof". I have an 02 Tj, 4 inch sus. Lift, 1 inch body, 17 in wheels 305/75 17 (if not correct on 1st two number it's close. I have driven thru a creek, more than a mile, water coming in pass compartment, doors off, pulled drain plug. Had an FJ Cruiser, if Tacoma is similar, then respect. Although, there is nothing currently in the same category as wrangler. When they extended it, and changed perfect engines; to the 3.7.. well, they messed up. Cont.
Toyota needs to put some decent tires on their trd pro/offroad models. Stock ones might as well be slicks and it really limits what the truck is capable of. I threw some ko2s on mine and its a whole different animal now.
I own one and have done the Mohave trail (real life scenario) including some ridiculous side trails. The Tac will go anywhere anything else will and some! Here's the real plus with the Tac... if you drive on the freeway at no more than 62 mph as I do on my long trips to the dessert, you will get 29mpg!!! However once on the dessert floor, 11mpg. The only drawback with the Tac is the 20 gal tank. Even for the Mohave trail which is 147 miles, you will definitely need to carry fuel if you intend to do any side trails at all. Overall, the 2017 TRD Pro is a superb adventure vwhicle / serious off road machine. If you like Toyota then buy one. If you like Jeep, buy one. I personally was put off jeep because of the poor reliability issues.
The TRD should have better tires. If I was going up the hill: 4LO, MTS (handles front slipping) loose rock setting, and Locked Rear DIFF. The video did not show the guy using MTS. Remember traction control is turned off in 4LO so MTS must be selected otherwise without MTS you've got open diffs.
Not sure about all the gizmos and gadgets - Toyota has a good reputation - Any other brand I would not look twice. I agree on size matters - I use a k5 blazer from the 80's; I really need a suburban for the stuff I haul, but the larger size would be a problem the places I go.
These vid's never seem to talk about the big differences. The Wrangler was made as an off-road vehicle and later has evolved into being more DD friendly. While the majority of these other vehicles were made as DD work trucks/SUV's that were later outfitted with offroad suspension components. The Wrangler is the gold-standard for this reason despite it not being as reliable as some of it's competition.
I’ve owned both of these vehicles, and I can say for a fact that the Toyota will never let me down in any way that my Jeep might have. You’d struggle to find a newer Jeep with over 250k that still has mostly original parts. The Toyota Tacoma is in my opinion one of the best made trucks on the planet right now. Add a small lift, true all terrain tires, and a front locker. Unstoppable.
1st and 2nd gen sure. 3rd gen not so much.
As a previous wrangler owner, and it pains me to say this because I loved it, my advice is spend a bit more and get the Toyota. Sure the wrangler might be ever so SLIGHTLY better off road, but that's ALL it does. It has no other use whatsoever. At least in the Toyota you can use it for towing or hauling stuff, AND it won't break down on you like a fiat Chrysler dodge jeep product will
dpajc056 EXACTLY coming from an 08 jku sport to a 05 trd offroad crew
Everything Chrysler is junk.
Mike 10452 Has always been...my first car was a 1966 Fury 1. Always broke. Now 2013 TRD off-road...never broke and last payment TODAY!!!
Or just buy both like me. Best of both worlds
Nah I'll stay away from the Jeep crap. My dad has one and it drives like shit. Gonna go get a Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro this weekend.
The tires are the worst part of the TRD Pro. They should have at least put some sort of all-terrain on it.
Tim Strange I still haven't figured out why they didn't put the Nitto Terra Grapplers on them from factory like the 2015 TRD Pro 4Runner or atleast the BFG All Terrains they had on the 2015 TRD Pro Tacoma although I hate the BFGs they'd be better than what's on it now.
Literally any all-terrain would be better than those Kevlar Goodyears.
youre telling me..those good years with 6000km on them had 25% wear off them 9/32 ends left all way around lol..i got a trade on toyo mt 265/75 and holy shit is the truck awesome..i have a 17 OR (y) crawl control is a fun feature too!
They're alright at best. I got stuck in the mud the other day with them.
I think Toyota has accepted the fact that many Tacoma owners will never take their vehicles on a serious off road adventure like these guys did. The average person driving around town will see worse gas mileage, worse handling, and braking compared to the all season tires on this truck. The serious off roader would probably be even better suited with an Icon suspension upgrade, and some serious tires like the KO2s. That package would make this trail into a drive to the market.
Should be really a JKU Rubicon vs the TRD Pro...
4 door vs 4 door, both locked up
Scratcher Heaven woww why you so offensive?
Scratcher Heaven it would be unfair for the Toyota
Sick truck... Tacoma impresses me more and more. Great video guys.
Toyota cars are very reliable.
DT B Yay. Look! It's captain obvious! :D
Not necessarily true.
Chris Conway lol?
2nd that. My Tundra died at 74K miles, out of warranty, and Toyota flat out admitted "we don't know why it's doing what it's doing and we don't know how to fix it. Please remove it from the dealership." They suggested changing the computer for $5000 and changing all of the injectors for $2500 and offered no assurances that either would fix it.
Jeffrey Hargis You just were not lucky, I saw many of these with over 300'000km, I know someone that had a Toyota Echo that was always broke, well she had the 1% cars that doesn't work that's all, there's nothing to do with that, every brand has their broke cars
Was the rubicon using its lockers? It should of easily made it up the hill if it was
It looks like it was, but there was gunk all in the tire thread and they were wet. Both front wheels were slipping. The Tacoma had very little gunk though.
Good tires make a big difference... and the Rubicon would easily make it up there
Captain Woof ohhh ok 👌
Captain Woof the Toyotas tires are garbage... though it did have less mud probably
Toyota your saying your own tires are garbage
Toyota doesnt make such a trash tire.
although the jeep wrangler is very expensive especially the Rubicon, they hold their value very well. The Tacoma holds resale value just as good. matter of fact I'm not sure if any other vehicles hold their resale value as well as the two.
RicDood211 anything with a v10 in it or old muscle cars
@@nerfret not anything with a v10 😂 ur telling me all the Ford trucks with the triton v10 hold their value lol, Jeep’s Toyota’s and diesels hold there value
Crawl control seems nice when in a pinch, but it looks like it would take the fun out of it.
I had a jeep before. It's pretty decent but for the money ill take any Tacoma any day. I think Jeep wrangler are overpriced for what it is. Although, I'll take both if I have the money
Sky Trooper If it's a choice between a 2016+ Tacoma and any Jeep, I'd take the Jeep. The 2016+ Tacomas are weak, inefficient,and in need of big capital.
Weak and inefficient how?
Do you own a 2016+ tacoma? didn't think so lol So if you don't know, stfu
Greg K
If you read the posts over on Tacoma World you'd know to avoid the 3rd gens like the plague. Poor reliability (even Consumer Reports ranked it last place in their Fall 2016 survey), a weaker lower torque v6 (compared to the 4.0), and tons of transmission and differential issues. The front diff vibrations got carried over fron the 2nd gen andbthe new rear diffs either howl or just plain grenade. Yeah... I'll take the Jeep thanks. Tried and true platform.
My family is a big Japanese, especially Toyota loyalist. Im the Odd one I just dont like following the herd but one thing I know is that Toyota
build very reliable vehicles compared to any other brand. I"ve been a
follower of Chrysler products and so far isnt impressed. Sadly my next
car/Truck is gonna be a Toyota or something else besides Chrysler.
Love the new Tacoma. If you think the crawl control is "boring" then simply turn it off. Its nice to know its there if you need/want it though.
I think of it as a hill descent control. It doesn't really have the momentum to climb serious obstacles.
They should come from the factory with Bfg ko2 not does crappy Goodyear
Ehideriel Melendez Hell YES! Especially for the price.
I replaced mine on my Tacoma with MTRs
I know you guys use the cars with what they are equipped from the factory, but these tires are actually far from ideal for the given conditions. A nice set of Toyo MT's or BFG KO2 A/T's and this terrain will look like a kids playground for the Taco!
More of a driver problem here, rather than the trucks capabilities.
Matt I With the weak V6, weak front and rear diffs, and the weak tires supplied with it... The truck is overhyped and WAY overpriced.
There's no disagreement that the tacoma is weak in some ways compared to the Jeep, but so is the Jeep. That said, the new tacoma is a VERY capable rig, but it can only be as capable as the driver. In this case, the driver seems to have little to no experience in off-roading which just made the tacoma not do as well as it could have. I've seen the new tacoma pro off roading and with the right driver it can do damn well.
My wife says, "It's 20% vehicle and 80% driver."
The Toyota axles are far stronger than the Jeep D44's. Even the Toyota 8" IFS is far stronger than stock D44 shafts (the weak link in the D44 on the heep). If you haven't seen the newer toyota 8" front setup - you should. It's very strong. The axle shafts are probably around 50% or more stronger than a D44's little baby u-joints. It could use a locker up front though. Unfortunately it's a $1500 option (from ARB). Oh well. The rear axle is probably around 30-40% stronger than a D44 failure torque.
I have less than $200 so it will be a while before I'll be buying a new truck but thanks for the information.
Lets see how that wranglers still holding up after 25,000 miles 😂😂😂
ZR2 has front lockers so crawling is not of a problem plus with an improved approach and departure angles, increased hp and torque and 8 speed transmission. Hope to see a head to head with the TRD Pro and ZR2.
Always one guy has to bring up the zr2. Not a bad truck I love watching the video of the trd off-road pull the zr2 out of the mud, in the head to head.
Actualy they tested the ZR2 vs Tacoma and the Tacoma destroyed the ZR2
I have made an observation. Most of these Tacoma videos are done in cold climates. So it would naturally be interesting to see one them done in a very hot climate like down here in Texas.
First gear, clutch out- original crawl control.
Pat Pourier That's the type of crawl control I have on my 4Runner. Much better than the nanny gadget.
Not sure I see the point in stuff like the crawl mode going uphill. Isn't half the fun of offroading the challenge? Downhill I can see because of safety, but otherwise...eh.
ants mirez, that's really misogynistic of you. Perhaps you should stop projecting your insecurities about your ever so fragile masculinity and skills onto women in a derogatory and counterproductive way, because there are LOTS of women out there who could leave you behind when it comes to off roading. Women can do anything men can. Hope you have a day as well as you treat women and others.
ants mirez, 😜😂
I find it plenty of fun (y) dont use it every time but sometimes I like to and its pretty cool and sometimes i gotta really watch my surroundings so crawl feature is really nice at times (y)
challenge is a part of it but having a capable rig is too.
Sometimes it's not about the challenge, but about getting somewhere. The fly-fisherman who wants to get to his isolated lake probably isn't concerned with the challenge and 'fun' of off-roading, but rather sees it as a necessity to get to his fishing hole. In that person's case, a truck is a tool, rather than a toy.
the tires! man! the tires!
"The truck is doing all the work"
Doesn't that take the fun out of it?
Love the new Tacoma!
The fact that these are the only 4wd Manual vehicles you can buy make this unique
I have both a 2017 Tacoma and a 2017 Jeep honestly they're both very fun they both have unique things that make them better I can't complain I love both my truck and my jeep
Great little video. Coming from a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with 37" tires and a 2.5" lift. It is a very different world stepping into my 2016 Tacoma Off Road TRD DC. Here is one major game changer for the Wrangler, the 4 door seems to always traverse over obstacles better than the 2dr. Having the shorter wheelbase is not always the most beneficial. Also, it didn't seem that the JK Wrangler aired down his tires at all or enough.
What you will see, even with the PRO is that the tire size is not large enough to overcome medium size boulders. So you'll find yourself having to pick multiple lines to get over what would otherwise look like an easy obstruction. No doubt in both worlds (Jeep and Toyota), a lift and bigger tires will always be to your advantage. Awesome thing is, there is great aftermarket support for the Tacoma. Almost all 2nd generation lifts and accessories cross over. This has been great for the consumer because they didn't have to wait long for parts to get to market.
Replacing the factory tires with a more capable all terrain will give you the best bang for the buck out of the gates.
I've driving both and they both feel underpowered. But taco all day everyday!
Pro all day for me.
I have one but in MANUAL 6spd. Got rid of the tires and rims was my first upgrade. SCS Ray 10's and 265/70/17 Toyo M/T. Much more meaner and bad ass than any stock Taco without going over board.
Your driving could use some work.
GrizzlyAnders 😂😂😂
Yeah, that part where he says the off-road performance isn't limited by the tires, the shocks, or the tech, the only thing holding the Tacoma back is...and I thought he was going to admit "the driver", but he said "the size". Are you kidding me? I've seen Subaru Outback drivers wheel their cars more skillfully here in Colorado than this guy drove that Tacoma. In the 8 years of off-roading my 4Runner I've never been limited by my its size only my own skill.
lonememe fellow 4Runner owner and I agree totally.
yeah, Toyota owners be hating.
05 trd taco here and I agree 100%, dude can't drive and who wheels with stock tires?
I own a Jeep, but do have to say the TRD was a pretty good looking truck. Idk if I would buy one to use as an off road vehicle, seems a bit expensive for that, but as a daily driver with an occasional need to get through some mud or muck, it looks like it should be more than capable. Not sure if I like that crawl mode though, kinda takes all the fun out of controlling it yourself.
How did you guys manage to get onto the power line trails in the NJ/NY area? That's my home-region and those trails are always closed to the public from what I ran into. Or did ya sneak in ;)
I can remember driving the power line trails in a Dodge journey, only time I had whiplash without being in a crash.
Looks like it did better than the wrangler... plus your transmission wont stop working randomly.
The crawl control dial is for setting the speed.... not terrain difficulty
"Im not doing anything". Toyota's idea of enthusiast stuff.
Tell that to the marlin crawler guy. Search him up. Thats what toyota was going for👍
I have a bare bones stock cab 2011 taco 4banger. front and rear lockers ( Lincoln locked front diff, daily driver) on federal couragia 235/85/16s. it keeps up with fully locked wranglers on 35s with absolutely no issues whatsoever. for all the plastic tacos have, they are a robust little machine. it was 22k out the door.
Fix: Get decent off road tires....
sevenpointsixtwo
Don't forget a better, rust resistant frame, rear brakes that belong in the modern era, a V6 that lives up to the 4.0 v6 at a minimum, stronger diffs that don't break so easily, a transmission that isn't so glitchy, etc. The new Taco TRD PRO is joke and a massive ripoff!
Um... the frames are dipped - very rust resistant and made from ultra high strength steel 780ksi stuff. The rear axle was upgraded to a new 8.7" diff that's actually very similar to a Ford 9" in strength and design. The engine is kinda meh though. I'm with you on that front. It's adequate, but not a powerhouse by any means. On the plus side it's vastly better than the other direct injection engines in long term durability. Googly d4s and why it's so important to direct injection longevity by solving the carbon intake valve buildup issue. The Tacoma will far far outlast any other DI engine in a truck. And long term durability is the goal for this product. Not to mention that it did win its class in it's first desert race at the Mint 400. So it did something right.
Seat belts should be worn the entire time when off roading!
Did a similar trail with some Rubicons in my TRD Pro. There were some sketchy sections where I banged my diff and heard scraping metal which was disconcerting. Size is an issue as the truck is just bigger and longer so I couldn't place my front and rear tires over every boulder situation. My poor mud guards were also scraping everything but the taco did it and it was fun! Bonus was the super comfy ride home :)
Those tires you had on are GARAGE!! Should've had on BFG's
Memtown Toyota chose those shit GY Warngler AT's. i guess 42k isn't enough...
Nice comparison and review. Just you should have picked a four door Jeep. I really like all the TRD Pro's, and I own a 2016 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. Guess I just love 4x4's.
38K for that low-rent looking Jeep?! No way.
G8GTJav Jeep= ugly, cheap made, I tried one and I'll never buy that I hated the feeling
Rubicon starts at $33.6K, so add auto transmission, premium soft top (obvious) and you are close. These are the only options I can see, but they didn't give a great view of the vehicle. Power locks, power windows and Heated mirrors and seats will push you up over $38K without tax tags and delivery.
BTW, this is NOT a 2017 Rubicon
stock jeep in the vid wasnt a rubicon
Bullshit it wasn't. Did you not notice the graphic on the hood?!?
In fact, the one with a snorkel was ALSO a Rubicon.
Now also, before you totally discount a "low-rent" Wrangler, the only advantages are really minor unless you like being below 10MPH - yes the lockers and electronic sway bar only are to be used at walking speed, limited to 4WD low. Aussie Lockers are better for 90% of off-road trails
whoops, i see it now my b
Would be good to compare against a wrangler unlimited rubicon. Closer in size and price. I have a 2 door JK myself but this would compete more with a 4 door IMO
Where in NJ is this I’ve been to Mahwah but never found this spot.
I bought a 2016 tacoma trd offroad and I love it's road manners.. drives great, decent power, ability to tow almost anything. and useable bedspace, as well as seating for 5.. I'm not a small guy at 6'2" and 250lbs, but I fit in it.. however I do wish the steering wheel tilted higher, (looking into modifying this soon), or possibly a lower profile seat bracket.. as the seat height is not adjustable..
why are you depending on the crawl control?? put the damn thing in 4lo, and 1st, or 2nd gear... sometimes you need momentum to carry you up an obstacle (bump).. get real guys and learn how to drive offroad.
Great video, its nice to see channels actually test these vehicles Off road.
That was informative. Thanks for posting. Wish I could've followed you in my open diff manual transmission.
Not a bad truck, built well it looks like. I have a 2015 Rubicon JKU and if I was in the market it wouldn't be a bad choice.
Finally a tacoma test Vid they air down......
Upgrade tires 👌 and this trail is a piece of cake
Did you change tyre pressure for the tougher part?
The Toyota did very very well and that little button is like super tech super handy. Nothing beats the skill of human interaction though. If the Toyota would of had BF All terrains it would of fared better with the crawl control no doubt
I like it when this channel goes off roading. its cute
The Rubicon is perhaps the most capable off road vehicle sold today. The Tacoma did a really good job keeping it close.
love the Tacoma, fitted out for 4 wheel driving is a personal thing and you will have a beast of a truck
Why was the limited slip not working? Does it not have a rear locker?
Gravel road... "This could get hairy"
Engages lockers.
One of the better off-road test good job guys
Sweet video! I disagree about the tires, but that probably goes for the jeep too. Better tires make the truck far more capable, and most other all terrains are better than the stock all terrains.The knobs on crawl control aren't for "difficulty", but for speed. 1-5 mph.
That looks like fun terrain, I see the NY and NJ plates...where was this filmed?
Only thing can be said is fuel Econ.. But really, if you jeep, you are always prepared, extra fuel, come along, high lift jack, spare ujoint, tire plug kit, air compressure, and a few others. I wish to Toyota would make something competitive. Similar to the Jeep concept Hurricane or concept Hummer Hx. Structural, the jeep has is narrow and significant shorter WB. When some trucks climbing the steps uphill, people think it's just traction, a big part is wheel base, I'm not an engineer but having the rear axle close when bumping over a 12-18 inch step seems easy in my jeep. Another things possibility is gearing, torque.The thing truck vs jeep people do are similar, air down, etc.. Conversely, there's plenty of things that are a jeep problem, windy day you feel like at times you'll flip at 60-70. Payload. Jeeps are fun, when not tryin, top down, doors off, with the split door, the top pops out of the 3 holes. But, I'm wanting 2nd veh. Never getting rid of Lars. Toys cost a lot too. Steve
just got a trd off road, taking it out in 2 weeks for its first off roading. I think I will be just fine.
Growyourmind86 Take it easy, Toyota put junk Hino axles under that POS lol. Mak2 sure to have it undercoated so the legendary Toyota rust rot doesn't set in!
don't forget lack of stock M/T's on the TRD as well as no front locker or sway disconnect for articulation on huge rocks.
Clearly the ZR2 from Chevy is the mid-size off road truck to get the shocks are $8,000 alone on the Chevy and when you're bombing down long washboard and dirt roads the TRD Pro just can't hang. Plus the ZR2 comes with front and rear locking differentials and a 2.8 L diesel with 400 foot pounds of torque almost
Nothing Jeep makes will ever compare with Toyota. EVER. and This is coming from a former Jeep wrangler owner. I switched over to 4runner and it's best the decision ever.
Say's the guy who can't type a proper sentence.
Toyota's quality is long dead in the US for dpat least a decade and won't be back anytime soon. Terrible fuel economy, terrible power, unknown reliability, lots of vibration and harshness, and a whole lot less torque than the 4.0. The 3rd gen taco is a JOKE!
Dunno what you're going on about my TRD Pro is tits.. Unknown reliability seriously?
aky19832001 I have an '87 runner... just hit 273,XXX... I'm not a fan of heeps or their overpriced aftermarket products. Toys all day everyday.
Or you could just buy a fucking atv for 1/3 the price
Quotes like "I'm not really doing anything" when he was in crawl mode makes me think that this is way to automated and it takes the real enjoyment out of crawling. Other than steering, you have no impact on it. To me, if I were to do any driving experience that would be for enjoyment, ex. Rock crawling, mudding, or even drift or track racing, I would want to have the full experience of it, not a watered down, so easy a grandmother could do it, experience.
Luckily, the Tacoma TRD Pro also comes with a true six-speed manual, and that's where you'll get the true experience. My test unit just happened to be fitted with the auto.
then turn it off. no problem
Nathan Gentili it is mainly made for the sand but it helps.
Nathan Gentili Well yes and no. I believe it's meant only for when you get really stuck. But most people are going to drive manually.
@@eeterp32 he wants a car without it becoz he can't turn it off :(
where is this trail?
A question, I'm in a wheelchair, lost a leg, which Tacoma is it that has the suicide doors, like FJ, both door handles next to each other?? Makes it real easy to put the wheelchair in back seat wo being forced to bounce around normal door. Strange question, why in Suv category, jeep gets beat by Subaru, etc. alway! There great, but not as adaptive. Jeep is the premier, end all of the true def. of suv. Break over, turn radius, etc..The 2007 and prior 6 cyl. was the same engine for 35-40 years, nicknamed "bulletproof". I have an 02 Tj, 4 inch sus. Lift, 1 inch body, 17 in wheels 305/75 17 (if not correct on 1st two number it's close. I have driven thru a creek, more than a mile, water coming in pass compartment, doors off, pulled drain plug. Had an FJ Cruiser, if Tacoma is similar, then respect. Although, there is nothing currently in the same category as wrangler. When they extended it, and changed perfect engines; to the 3.7.. well, they messed up. Cont.
Is that crawl mode only available on the automatics?
shouldn't it be compared to the JKU? you know being that it's a 4dr and has a similar wheelbase...
Tyres make a huge difference! don't say they don't!! 4wd's that come out with highway tread patterns are pointless!
YOU CALL THAT AIRING DOWN 😂😂😂😂 I RUN 8 PSI
Toyota needs to put some decent tires on their trd pro/offroad models. Stock ones might as well be slicks and it really limits what the truck is capable of. I threw some ko2s on mine and its a whole different animal now.
I own one and have done the Mohave trail (real life scenario) including some ridiculous side trails. The Tac will go anywhere anything else will and some! Here's the real plus with the Tac... if you drive on the freeway at no more than 62 mph as I do on my long trips to the dessert, you will get 29mpg!!! However once on the dessert floor, 11mpg. The only drawback with the Tac is the 20 gal tank. Even for the Mohave trail which is 147 miles, you will definitely need to carry fuel if you intend to do any side trails at all. Overall, the 2017 TRD Pro is a superb adventure vwhicle / serious off road machine. If you like Toyota then buy one. If you like Jeep, buy one. I personally was put off jeep because of the poor reliability issues.
Need to use a-trac without crawl control that’ll help make better use out of the frog wheels
The TRD should have better tires. If I was going up the hill: 4LO, MTS (handles front slipping) loose rock setting, and Locked Rear DIFF. The video did not show the guy using MTS. Remember traction control is turned off in 4LO so MTS must be selected otherwise without MTS you've got open diffs.
Might be a silly question but what part or where in New Jersey is this?
Does the TRD Pro come in xtra cab?
Where is this off-road course located?
20 psi is still a bit high. Try 10 psi without bead locks next time. It would be a big help on slippery rocks. Cheers.
Not sure those tires are stock on the jeep?
I saw jersey plates. Where is this trail?
add about 20g's to that cost is what we pay for a stock Trd-pro up here in Canada.
Yes the only thing hindering that Toyota was it's tires. Plus airing down would've helped too.
Where was this off-road train in nj
u should've camshot the truck more from the far angel for better view. good work!
water pump gasket!
Where in NJ are you guys doing this? I’d love to go off-roading.
That looks like Rockland County, NY.
Get a manual next time, I hate to see a truck like that neutered with a boring transmission.
Which off road area is this? Great video.
love this color combo
Impressed it did all that with crappy street tires.
Not sure about all the gizmos and gadgets - Toyota has a good reputation - Any other brand I would not look twice.
I agree on size matters - I use a k5 blazer from the 80's; I really need a suburban for the stuff I haul, but the larger size would be a problem the places I go.
jake legg my friend has one of these new trucks and he says that Toyota went backwards with this one compared to the previous model.
FishFind3000 think your friends a little out of it.
These vid's never seem to talk about the big differences. The Wrangler was made as an off-road vehicle and later has evolved into being more DD friendly. While the majority of these other vehicles were made as DD work trucks/SUV's that were later outfitted with offroad suspension components. The Wrangler is the gold-standard for this reason despite it not being as reliable as some of it's competition.
where is that spot? looks like north jersey would like to take my taco on that trail.
I am surprised the Jeep never broke down.
Toyota's trucks are really growing on me
A better comparison would have been with a four door Wrangler, or a smaller Tacoma. one or the other, but overall good video.
What part of nj was this trail in
Where is this ?!