Using a decibel reader is what you should’ve used in the road noise test. Getting “used” to it can just be compared to plain hearing loss lol awesome video
Exactly. I have A/T on my Outback xt and they are faaaar quieter than the M/T on a buddy's ram. Not to mention the M/Ts handled awful on the road in comparison. There's a bunch of other factors, but that was my experience with them
I don't really get this type of comment, you can go 5 minutes down the road and get stuck even in muddies it really depends where you're going. 'All over Australia' I mean mate, more info needed.
Part of the problem with your examples of "highway terrain" tires is the sidewalls are weaker mainly because they are "P-metric" tires designed for passenger vehicles. They're softer for comfort and lightweight for economy. Whereas most "real" all-terrain and mud terrains are "LT-metric" or Light Truck. They're built with stiffer sidewalls and are heavier because they're ment for use on work trucks. So gym shoe vs Work boots/hiking boots. Proper footwear for the tasks.
True, and LT is the most important thing for casual / soft-roading - but an HT tread on an LT carcass will still suck, so it's kind of just an academic argument. The scenario that could be an interesting comparison is on something like a Subaru, whether to use small LT tires versus car-rated gravel rally tires. With P-metric, I mostly got stuck from tires popping. With LT ATs, I would get stuck from lack of traction, but never popping. And with MTs, I really didn't even get stuck. A couple close calls, but even high-centered on the front diff, they were able to claw their way up and out of ruts.
Exactly, this Ronny Dahl guy clearly doesnt know a damn thing about tires and just threw together a video script from the 5 minutes of research he did on google
In my part of the US (Utah) we don't really get a ton of mud, but we do have a lot of snow. Since my jeep is also my daily driver I go with the an aggressive 3peak rated all terrain. The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT has done everything I've thrown at it without complaint. It's pretty agressive, the side and shoulder lugs have some decent spacing, snow rated, fairly quiet etc. If we didn't spend half the year in snow I'd consider an MT. And as always, tire pressure, throttle control, line choice etc are going to play a bigger factor for a lot of situations that AT vs MT.
Same here in Patagonia! We do have mud but we do have snow and ice in winter. So a 3 pick All Terrain is the way to go for mi and my Hilux. In my case I’m using Duratrac for the first time since I always used BF Goodrich and so far so good!!
I live in Kentucky and we have it all mud rocks and snow and I drive a heavy 1999 2500 suburban 4x4 so if I start up a hill and I don't have something that will grab even in dry weather I will start to spin even when my lockers kick in so it's mud terrain tires for me
I run Westlake MT on my truck, handles everything pretty good. Grips the wet roads a little too good, to the point my truck can barely spin tires if I floor it at a dead stop. Handles real well in the snow too, up here in MI where we actually get lots of snow, it chews it way through quite well on the seasonal roads where I go. Better than the BG Goodrich tires I had before and I keep my tire pressures around 30 psi.
I have run several sets of BFG ATs and MTs. The MTs are death on snow and ice on the road, ATs gum up in mud. I went to a Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, studded. It was a happy medium between the AT and MT tires plus the studs were better on icy roads. Tire chains for hard winter off-road. I'm in Colorado, driving an XJ Cherokee. My usage is mostly off-road, but I drive on the highway through the mountains to get there. One guy's opinion. Thanks for the good content.
The BFG mud terrain was the only MT I've had that I hated. Not only are they bad in snow like you say, they aren't as good in mud as other mud tires. I usually look for mud tires that will receive studs, and they usually work in snow like a snow tire, and better in mud than my BFG's ever would. Having the "sipeing" or whatever they call that where there are slits cut in the tread blocks to make them softer and squishier, helps them grip ice, and also helps them self clean in the mud. It's a win win. I think the new BFG might be better, but the generation I had used hard, solid tread blocks and they didn't really do the job in the mud like the other tires I've owned.
Very good review but you forgot one important difference. Mud terrains are terrible on wet pavement. They also have less grip on pavement so worse cornering and braking. If you only consider time, most off-roaders would do well to do 20% off-road. But if you consider milage it's probably less than 10% off road. I'd rather have the safer tire on road where you're much more likely to have an accident or close call.
Fair point but when it comes to road driving, also consider the "number one rule" drive to the conditions, most people don't regardless of tires, this also should account for your vehicle type, its load and your abilities, many on the road have a lack of, add condition of tire and tire pressures! Again misleading!
to be fair that also has a lot to do with brand / quality. i have maxxis razr's and outperform any lesser brand any type tyre in any condition easily. the only 2 brands id reccomend is BFG or Maxxis for quality, and i lean a bit more towards BGF in my own opinion
@@doublehelix109 I have BFG tyres on my 4WD (trail terrains) and they are absolute shithouse in the wet. I’ve had the back end twitch (mine and the car) on two occasions on a roundabout in the wet. When they next need replacing I’ll be going back to the Michelin LTX Force tyres which were unbelievable in the wet. They were also better on sand. I’m sure there’s brands that will beat the BFG in the wet but I’m not sure I’m up for another 60000km experiment.
I agree with you on most points, but you left out where mud terrains really suffer: 1. Wet roads Mud terrains stronger and larger block patterns create a very slippery surface on wet roads 2. Snow-covered roads As with wet roads, the design of the mud terrain is not suitable on snowy or icy roads. They have little to no functional siping, and a harder rubber compound that gets even harder in cold weather 3. Road comfort Given the harder compound and heavier sidewalls, noise isn't the only adjustment you'll need to make when running an MT on the street. They ride much harsher than an AT 4. Fuel economy You can expect to lose 2 - 4 mpg by switching to an aggressive MT. In a vehicle that only gets 20mpg, that equates to a 10% - 20% reduction in fuel economy. That is a result of the additional weight and increased rolling resistance due to the aggressive lugs colliding with the road, which can often be felt in the steering wheel at low speeds. If you have a dedicated trail rig, then mud tires are the clear choice. However, if you are an occasional off-road adventurer, or if you take extended overland trips that will include at least 50% of the travel on improved roadways, or you live in a climate that sees snow and ice in the winter, then an AT would be a much better choice.
We use our 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road as a daily driver, work around our property and for taking it on service and forest roads during our summer months. We live 5 miles from town (30 miles from the city) up in the mountains in north central Washington state. We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter. I recently bought Falken Wildpeak AT4W in 265/75/16. I also bought new Bronze Modem Wheels. My Tacoma came with 16” wheels and I could have easily bought 17” wheels but I wanted a taller side wall on my tires for those times when I need to air down. Going from a 31” tire to a 32” tire, I’ve noticed that my truck wants to stay in 5th gear longer before up shifting into 6th gear. I’ve also noticed that my fuel mileage has dropped. But they’re better off road and in our snowy roads. Overall I’m happy with the extra 1” in ground clearance.
I had been running all terrains for decades and decided on mud terrains this last time to just try them out. At first I didn’t like the noise, but these have been the longest wearing tires I’ve ever had and do quite well in the rain and snow on my 2005 Grand Cherokee. Nitto Trail Grapplers.
Great video Ronnie and hello from the Scottish Highlands. I have both MT (KM2s) and AT (KO2s) for my old Hilux and one thing that may not be an issue in Perth WA but very much is in Perthshire, Scotland is snow and ice. I have had disappointing and terrifying moments with MT in snow. They are worse than a winter highway tyre on a snowy road. The ATs are phenomenal in wet or powdery snow on or off road. So if you live in a colder climate, consider what my 2 decades experience here has taught me: MTs for summer and autumn and ATs for winter and spring (still snows here in April).
Correct, MTs are pretty useless in the cold and snow and ice. This is due to their compound, large voids and little to no siping. You want smaller voids and a lot of siping in the snow an ice, not to mention a rubber compound designed to stay flexible in cold temperatures.
@@henrikm4657 KO2 are renowned for being a death trap in wet, even here in the tropics they cause plenty of 4wders to end up on their lid at a roundabout. No snow for thousands of miles.
Another UA-camr Dan from the Road Chose Me circumnavigated Africa with Geolanders and never had a puncture or failure. He just left Australia after driving all over. He is Australian living in Canada. Great video Ronnie.
Never have we had tyre issues for 5 years with running a good set of mud terrain tyres, driven the toughest conditions and in the outback. Deflating the tyre pressures and reducing speed on the dirt helps. Mud terrain is the best option, and our only option, for all the points you said. Good video Ronny, thanks for sharing.
You nailed it in this video. I think the most critical issue in all tires is the weak sidewalls. I rank traction second to reliability/durability as flats are a pizzov, dirty labour and expensive, not to mention getting two in one day will turn that day's drive into a walk or a radio call rescue. I started driving in a Dodge Power Wagon in 1972 in British Columbia, Canada. Radials barely existed and mainly in Europe. We ran retread Goodyear bias 12 ply lug tires similar to military tires. The sidewalls were vertical without the vulnerable sidewall bulge. I cannot remember ever having a flat. Since then, I've spent 40 years on 3 continents driving nearly every brand of 4x4 in mineral exploration. I have had the occasional flat through the cord. But I've had a bunch of torn sidewalls. The brand doesn't matter. HT tires don't belong anywhere beyond your driveway. AT/MT and traction??? I dunno. I reach for the winch control pretty much as soon as I lose forward motion. Dramatic traction hunting and spinning tires is not in my DNA. 200 meters of straps in the box, a winch with a snatch block and an excuse to get out for a pee is my Get Out Of Goo Free card. I've run BFG, Toyo, Bridgestone, Cooper, Firestone and a few cheap Chinese brands. I actually now prefer cheap Chinese (Atturo, Haida) as slicing a sidewall is not so painful on the wallet. BFG are sooo expensive and sooo over rated. Their sidewalls are as vulnerable to pointy sticks, especially in burns, as any. And noise has never been on my radar. It's a truck. Get a bigger sound system. Or get old and turn off your hearing aids 😆
Tip of the hat to you man! Great review. Ive been offroading for more than 30 years and have tried every tire possible. You are spot on in every detail of this video, even down to the difficulties of various tire types on traction boards. Id like to add a couple comments that i have seen. I run virtually identical trucks with mud tires on the diesel and aggressive all terrain ( kevlar reinforced) on the gasser. I have another diesel truck with mud, a toyota with all terrain, and a tractor with industrial tires. Ive used paddle tires in deep sand too. The highway terrain term you coined is perfect. They are bad in most offroad environments except pure sand (like beach without debris) they are very good there when aired down appropriately (i am referring to your definition of highway "off road" tires and not pure street tires). Mud tires have a weakness when it comes to snow on pavement. You need siping and they just dont have enough to take steep grades in really slushy or icy conditions as good as an all terrain or snow tire. They work fair enough in deep powder on flatter surfaces or off pavement snow. Great video! Best one i've seen. You should do an addendum that talks about airing down effects on contact patch...if you havent already.
We're the owners of two large-acre cattle properties in Western Queensland, and I'd like to add my bit to this contentious subject. We will never agree that mud terrains are an all-around tyre for heavy working 4WD's on a combination of sharp stone, sticks, sand, gravel and mud. We're dragging all sorts of trailers, tools, welding equipment and farm gear, mostly never on tar. Those open treads leave so much of the tyre exposed to punctures, and wear super fast in our country due to them having maybe half tge tread rubber being ripped and worn at any one time. Just ditching the muddies has probably dropped our punctures by 75+ percent, and believe me, we have a fully equipped tyre repair setup here, and have gotten too good at it. And there's no chance I'll let my wife off down a winding raining potholed bitumin road on mud terrains. You guys can have your fashion statements and believe whatever you want. It's performance and reliability that work around here.
I've worked with 2 company fleets for offroad oil/gas work trucks across the US. 6000 trucks in 1 company, 1000 in another. We found the same in most our field work where you also drive to those field locations. We run quality AT tires with good side wall cleats. Toss the chains and traction boards in the back for really sticky days.
Well said, the only all purpose tyre for mixed 4WD use is a good tough ALL TERRAIN tyre. Full stop. Muddies have their place, but are poor on sand, vulnerable in mulga or spinifex country and hopeless on wet bitumen and lethal on wet concrete boat ramps or concrete high speed roads. Highway terrain tyres should obviously never leave the black top. All terrains for me, everyday
@@sqidseyno, two guys who do it all day everyday for work, commented their experience on a channel of a guy who did off-roading as a hobby before starting a UA-cam channel, and off-roads several weeks a year.
Another great video, Ronnie! Good discussion of the pros and cons of each. For me, where I live, and what I use my rig for, there's really zero question of the best choice for me, and that's a good quality set of aggressive A/T's. I have to use my truck for all sorts of jobs that mostly involve road driving, and even when I do go off roading, it's almost always a long haul on pavement to get there, sometimes in some crazy weather conditions including severe hail and rainstorms, or on icy, snowy roads. The small advantage M/T's would give me is not worth the loss of economy and on-road performance, especially in the wet, as others have mentioned. Cheers from Canada, mate!
Good review Ron. Side wall size, strength and protection at different tyre pressure is probably the most under considered aspect of 4x4 tyres and their use. "DOT" codes also need attention. The DOT code describes the tyre rubber, composition, sidewall AND date of manufacture. Tyre rubber hardens up as it ages. This means it loses grip, strength and wares faster the older it is. That means you get fewer kilometres out of them. I'm pretty sure many have been caught out buying what should be "good" tyres, but because they sat for 3 years on the shelf in stock you only get 2 thirds of the life out of them and they handle like crap with little grip. My guess is that OLD tyres at the time of sale is probably a main reason people change tyre brands and type, blaming the tyre, when the real problem is they were just sold OLD tyres. I'm going to stick with strong side walled, aggressively lugged All Terrains because it suits my use. The All Terrain - Mud Terrain argument is a spectrum with a lot of in between areas. Cheers.
Just my $0.02. I have a stock F-150 with the FX4 package. Height might be different than a regular F-150. It has basic skid plates. It’s got 4x4. Different shocks. A locking rear diff. It also has highway tires. I have gone on many trails on O’ahu just fine. Sand. Dirt. Grass. Rocks. Gravel. Mud. Mud has been the killer. They get gummed up and slide all over and it gets dangerous. This video is great! I don’t NEED off-road tires. But since the highway tread ones are ready to be replaced, it makes sense to get something nice.
I heard that when Ronny puts on a new set of ATs, he cuts a few off the thick tread blocks off, keeps them under his bed for when he has night terrors to chew on helping him cope.
Good video, and certainly has me more open to mud terrains in the future but for a couple things: Wet pavement (very common in my area) I think favors the all terrain. Also, snow and ice. KO2's (all terrains) are mountain/snowflake rated so I can run them year 'round up where I live.
If you're in a location that gets frequent snow, that might tip the scales towards good ATs. The edges of the tread blocks give grip on snow, so the large solid tread blocks on mud tires give dismal grip in the white stuff. The additional edges of the more intricate AT tread patterns, combined with siping that isn't usually present in a mud tire tread, give the AT a much better grip on snow. I'm in Colorado and I see jeeps with big mud tires off the road all over the place when the snow rolls in, while my Duratracs are pulling along nicely.
If you want to run the same tire year-round, there are some very decent AT options for snow. But you're probably doing serious off-roading in the winter. For me I'd rather switch to a true winter tire with some cheap steelies for the winter months. Nothing beats a good winter tire in the snow, they're downright magical and the extra 10m stopping distance might just save your life.
@@jgalt99 or get studs (if legal), they will help an all season M&S tyre (like the Duratrac) even though as a tyre its not as good as a true winter. Personally, I go for a separate set of winters.
@@hdavies0 But then again: Studs reduce your grip on dry and wet roads and don't change snow grip. So if the road isn't fully icy they are quite a disadvantage. And they don't keep the tyre softer at low temperatures either. I agree that seperate winter tires for regions that experience winters are the best choice.
We live at the end of an unimproved road at elevation and higher latitude. We've tried M/Ts over the years but always come back to A/Ts for our conditions. If snow of any significant depth is involved, I've yet to find a M/T that can perform was well as a good A/T.
I run STT PROS after 6,000 miles I rotated them and they had wicked vibrations! Had to rebalance them all. One in particular has a ton of weights on it. Rims have gashes in them as well from off roading. But I love my Mud Tires lol they are louder after rotating as well. But hopefully they will last a while longer. Love your videos !!
Hello! What AT tires would you recomend in 235/75/15? (I do not want to move to another size because the car will soon be registered as a retro vehicle)
I bought and used a set of those Maxxis MTs for a year, mostly from watching your reviews. Here in the states,.... I have to say I abandoned them. Super quiet on the pavement, but off road the tread sliced up very easily. After two years of the milestar Patagonia MTs, I felt much more confident. But this year I'm going with the Patagonia XT, which is their hybrid. Man, I love you Land Cruser. Wish we could get them here.
Maxxis is going to last longer, have better grip and your sidewall wont blow out like the pats. They are soft to help traction. Slices are fine as long as they arent chunking to the point it become detrimental.
@tdel8613 I hear ya, but this is very old news. Milestar has continued developing their tire compounds. From first had experience I can only tell you my opinion. The Patagonia is an all around better tire than the maxxis . Sidewall failures were completely overblown.
I had muddies on my 80 but I have ATs on my 200. I don’t do as much crazy stuff in the 200 for the obvious reason - it isn’t a lifted and locked 80!! But I also had a small run around as a daily so didn’t drive the 80 all the time. If you can afford to run two vehicles then go for muddies - if your 4WD is your daily then ATs are the go.
So glad we bought A/Ts Omikron Accelera for our Hilux. I know it's not as popular as any brand but it was the only available A/Ts we can find in such a rural area and they really look good and I go off road 30% of the time and it's not even that hard core where an M/T is needed. I needed to replace my standard H/T tires at 73k Kilometers I was expecting it to be noisy on road but it's actually not and these tires are perfect if you want your tires to perform on and a bit of off road. Basically, they're in between highway and mud terrain principle.
Would BFG KO2s give you confidence in snow weather if you put them on a heavy SUV? Wondering if it's okay to have them all year round or get dedicated winter tyre for the colder/snowy months?
Great discussion. As you can see a lot of people have their own views on their experiences, so I think whatever works for your it is fine. On my Defender I have been running Goodyear Wranglers MT/R and yes are noisy but had performed really well over the years. My son bought a new Suzuki Jimny XL 5 door and put on BFG Mud terrains and I was surprised how quite they are and fantastic grip. Cheers
Goodyear dura tracs best overall tire I've ever thru on axles mud,snow, rocks,sand they take it and take it well and run more asphalt miles than mt/s. Good vid 👍
I totally agree with you on tire choice. The all terrains love to hold onto rocks/gravel and then eject at a later time. Watching your review I also looked up the Maxis tires and saw that they make a tall skinny 15" tire so I think that I will give them a try on my next purchase. 15" tires are getting harder to find now that everyone has larger diameter brake rotors. I think that the 15" went away after 2006 here in the US.
I run a 255 85/r17 Mickey Thompson Baja boss AT load E tire. Jeep Mojave no mods, offset rims to zero. It handles all mud, sand and rocky terrains of Michigan very well. In Missouri they really shines through the mountain gravel and slick rocks. Now mind that these are considered pizza cutters so when airing down they tread grows long instead of wide. I haven't found any major cons yet. Find out when we go to Colorado. Road noise is very low. Snow traction is A+.
I had those tires on my JKR and I loved them. They worked out great in Moab & Silverton. Excellent wet weather tire, great in the snow, larger rocks they are very grippy, highways very quiet with plenty of traction. My only complaint with them now is the fact that I no longer have the JKR and have purchased an LJ on 15" wheels. Who wants 31" tires? I want tall skinny 33's.
Nice video production quality mate - looks great 👍🏻 Pity you forgot about performance on the road in the wet, particularly if you’re towing. Considering most of us live in urban areas we need to get to the off road tracks first 🤔
Only here to watch those badass 70-series! You Aussie guys are so lucky. Here in the USA, we get the rubbish version Toyota trucks, with the exception of the 4Runner and FJ but even those don't have turbo diesels. Nice channel mate
I choose AT tires for my Jimny. because you can get them with the symbols for winter. So it is an all season tires and Im allowed to drive with them in winter conditions.
I would say: if you have more than one vehicle, go all the way with mud terrains. If your 4wd is your only car, maybe think about the ATs, depending on how much you wheel. I agree with you in avery aspect, although I'm inclined to buy ATs my next tire change, mostly because of the road noise and terrible (even dangerous) road performance specially when raining. Great video.
AT’s are usually (brand dependent) far better than MT’s on wet tarmac and also in snow. But given that you live in WA neither are likely to be a common occurrence. Especially snow.. For daily driving I prefer AT’s but I have a second set of wheels with MT’s on.. Here in Scotland I use AT’s most of the time. The difference between the BFG AT’s and MT’s in snow is huge. Totally agree that Road Tread’s are crap.
Hi Ronny, have you noticed a lot of the new/updated All Terrain tyres main tread pattern is becoming more highway oriented and a number of once great Mud Terrain tyres seem to have morphed into a strong looking side wall but with more of a classic All Terrain tread pattern. I’ve been told this is because of modern rubber technologies and tire construction ! But I believe it’s more to do with people fitting Mud Terrain tyres for the looks and complaining about their performance on the open roads! What do you feel about this?
After 6 tears with 900x 16 Bar Grips on a 101 forward Control Landrover for tree work mainly on road but plenty of real mud and rough hills, not much sand. Now in a L200 with All terrain on the front and Mud on the back, it's better but with a Chainsaw and Chipper going when not driving who notices ant noise? Great round up. Cheers
Fuel economy changes between brands and types of tyres as well. We also put little nylon beads in the MT and AT tyres so they self balance once up to speed. It reduced the vibration. some manufacturer now have foam inside the tyres to reduce the noise as well. Like you say you have to decide on what you are using the tyre for the most of the time first and work from there. Or get a spare set of wheels. most of europe have winter/summer sets! Thank you for the information.
Maxxis tyres are absolutely amazing, i run the Razr 811's A/T on my Mux now, i also ran them on my Jackaroo they are awesome. I have tried other brands, I won't use nothing else but Maxxis, best brand tyre you can buy
As always, great information! I ran Cooper (Zenon) Mud Terrains for years on my land rovers and I was very pleased but they aren’t offered any longer. I switched to BFG All Terrains KO 2 and they’re okay, but I miss the version my Mud Terrains. I’m going back to Mud Terrains on my LR4 next tire purchase
I would love to hear more about the physical properties of the rubber compounds used in manufacturing the different types of tires also. Thanks for the great video!
Had MT Nitto Trail Grapplers on mine for 50k and still got a heap of life left on them. Noise is not an issue as the roof rack is way noisier in a modern 4WD. No problems in the wet on roads just drive to the conditions. I’ve even had a 40mm tech screw from a construction site go through the tread block and once I got it out it didn’t puncture the tyre. I’d rather have MTs and have them rather than be stuck in a situation where I wish I did. Just my opinions though.
Just watched your video, very informative. My question is I have a Ford ranger wildtrak with maxxis razor MT 35x12.5x20. The front 2 tyres are worn. I would like to change to Maxxis 811 all terrains in the same size. Can i run the AT on the front and MT on the rear until the rear tyres wear out ?
Had 38 super swampers on 99 f250..terrible in the rain...noisy as hell...never got stuck in mud. Have 31 wrangler authority on my cherokee....no complaints at all. Rain snow and mud...go like crazy
Great Video, exactly is Ronny talking the right things in the right time 💯👍 agree with him. The only thing the AT could be more useful ever is perhaps in colder conditions like snow ore ice roads. Would be a great comparison video also but not so easy in Australia. Greetings from north sweden, I think I am gonna try next the muddies in winter we all use snow tires with spikes.
I've run A/Ts for ~10 years now on my jeep. First 5 years was 90% street / 10% off road, mostly beach with trail riding / rock crawling once a year. The last five years has mostly been trail riding / rock crawling. The A/Ts have done just fine. Definitely lacking on the muddy trails. The A/Ts have not been the weak link rock crawling, the suspension has been. Building the rig more for rock crawling theses days, next set of tires will be M/Ts.
In my country when the world is covered by snow from November till April 3peak snow flake rated tires are a must unless you switch to true winter tires.
@@valdorobantu290 For 4 wheeling in deep snow yes. For grip on ice and packed snow MTs are awful. MT tires have really hard rubber designed for warm weather.
In my 40 years of off-roading in the harsh, rocky deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada, & Baja Mexico, i have found The Maxxis RAZR MT's to be the overall best! Performance, durability, long lasting.. my all time favorite tires .
There's a new kid on the block, and it's an RT, it's the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT LT... Not as aggressive as an MT, thereby less road noise, but way more capable than an AT, especially some of the AT's that are hitting the market now... I ran Bridgestones REVO AT's for 20yrs, was never disappointed UNTIL the AT Revo 3's came out, ran a set on my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 for 4yrs, they wore fast(24k mi), they were NOT comfortable, and they really weren't an "AT", they were more of an HT for trucks...I switched(may 2024) to the Goodyear Wranglers Duratrac RT LT's and never looked back, they're pricey for sure, but the ride nice, have a little road noise that is more than acceptable, and are wearing well...I like the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT LT's so much, I put them on my 2024 Chev Silverado Trail Boss LT, and it came with decent tires(another Goodyear Wrangler) to begin with... These Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT's are NOT the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac's of the past, these are NEW tires, redefined and redesigned... I also have a 2002 GMC 2500HD with the LB7 Duramax, lifted, etc with 35x12.50 Yokohama G003 MT's... ALL tires I run are load range E LT's, no P tires for me...
I run 35" muds and use balancing beads. Over the road semis use them. Dump a bag of ceramic beads in the tire and you never lose your wheel weights. With M/T be careful on snow packed and icy roads! They are awesome on slushy or powdery snow. Muds all day any day!
Some other folk have hit rain / snow as a nissed point. I'm going to add one last thing.... Is it a daily driver? Mud terrains on a dedicated adventure rig are a no brainer. But if you're doing 80-90% highway driving.... with light forays offroad.... AT's are probably the better buy. All depends on your use. Great vid though!
I've just switched from AT to RT last year and when it rains it's almost like driving on ice. I'm considering getting back to AT as it's my daily. And AT's have never really have let me down.
wow one WHOLE decade? Been at this since the 60's. Recovery since the 80's ♥ Mr Hasitall talking about being stuck with parts is cute. We can afford two sets but at 2600meters and ~7" of rain a year, we are fine.
I have a Land Rover 110 (Defender) with 285/75/16 BFG Mud Terrain KM2, fully siped. Use them all year in Norway, even in heavy snowconditions. They are old not (cause they refuse to wear out...) but still do a great job. The siping is also good when offroading in the summer, like climbing rocks.
To be fair not all allterane tires are equal either. The mickey thompson baja boss at has an asymmetrical pattern and the lugs are quite a bit more spread out than most. These tires are also the quietest I've had and great in mud and on rock. If you haven't used them I would check them out, you may like them
I had MT Baja STZs to 110k Km on my Cruiser. They only died when an old lady drove into me and wrote the car off, though they probably only had another 20k in them.
Another awesome review Ronny! I’ve got KO2’s atm and now after this review I’ll definitely be getting some MT’s. I have the option to select 4A whilst driving on wet roads and AT’s are fine, so MT’s shouldn’t be much different. Again another great in depth review! 😎💯
I ran the KO2 M/T. Offroad they produce exceptional grip and flex. The Tire compound is very soft and wear happens quickly on pave surfaces. Sharp rocks will also tear out section of the tread blocks. I run through 1 set of tires per year and was disappointed with the tire life 15k Miles. The older BFG M/T had a much better tread life. I do really like the ability the softer tread compound provides in driver feed back. It slowly starts letting go of the surface giving time for driver input.
driving 40" toyo open country mt. very happy with them. not noisy. not much extra fuel consumption. good grip. just when the road gets wet u have to be carefull.
I have gone Mud Terrains for mud, snow and grass and tracks for sand. On my wife's SUV the most important thing is a rim protector. She scuffs the curbs weekly. On my diesel it is so loud that road noise doesn't matter. On my F-150 hybrid I have all-terrains and plan to go with a milder tread since it lives on the highway and I appreciate the quiet.
I've run the same RAZR MTs for several years and they have been superb. Now the top step in the tread blocks is gone they're still superb off-road and on dry sealed roads. However... Wet sealed road performance is now atrocious. Unpredictable understeer and oversteer. It's very clear that it's now a dangerous proposition thinking about wearing these tyres down to minimum tread depth. Not ditching them though. For the one clear weakness, I've got a set of quality ATs for daily driving through the wetter months. These MTs, though worn, still play hard off-road, and on unsealed roads. Where Ronnys advice is spot on is in choosing the tyre that best suits the majority of the terrain travelled on.
I guess a quick way to sum things up. MTs are for extreme terrain, the more the path is unlike the road, the better the MTs will usually do. ATs are a good mid ground between the extremes of on and off road optimized, provided one gets a good quality AT with a good quality side wall. Highway tires are for the highway (duh), if one brings them off road, then one is taking their chances with having the wrong tool for the job.
Also for Alpine areas the All Terrain KO2 are snow/peak rated whereas the Mud Terrains are not. Worth considering if you you are running up and down the ski fields.
A/T is all 99% people need unless ur in mud all the time M/T is really not a smart decision. My number one choice for A/T tire is the cooper AT3. Iv never got more than 30,000 miles on any tire iv owned usually more around 20-25000 miles. Coopers iv seen up to 60,000 miles on a set i was blown away. Idk if there best traction but always got the job done for me. Im a hunter cut firewood do scrap metal removal. Also do a lot of snowmobiling in the winter drive in some really slippery conditions. So im in some pretty rough spots sometimes cant say enough good about the cooper AT3’s. The tire even has the cool factor with the sidewall tread lol!! U can always put some chains or traction devices on ur A/T tires if u know ur going to need more traction best of both worlds.
Very Interesting. Your Last Comment - One trip per Year, go AT's. This is where I am at. Having Family/Parents in RSA that has done Adventures all troughout RSA/Namibia/Mozambique/Botswana/Angola/Malawi/Lesotho/Swaziland over the Last 40 Years. I trust what they say and all of them prefer All Terrains. They all say tyres now are way beter than what they fitted in 1980's and that got them to extreme places. The right techniques also makes a big difference.
I put some cheap A/Ts on my honda pilot, basically because its not much of a off-roader. They have a very interesting tread pattern. There is a lot of fine siping that progresses to bigger siping, that progresses to the actual tread blocks. I basically just needed something that i could take off road to get to fishing spots and drive down in the pasture. I have encountered pretty muddy conditions when it floods here. So far they have been amazing. Sometimes, i have started spinning when climbing steep hills, but i just roll back a bit and come up at a different speed (usually slower). I dont expect them to last for a lot of miles, but i barely drive that thing anymore. They are called Dextero ATs, and the only difference between the ATs and highway version is tread spacing and side lugs on the AT. My buddy just put 37inch interco Super Swamper SXTs on his Gladiator, and they are AGGRESSIVE! He gets bothered because he is OCD about his truck and they throw stuff up at the truck. Lol He only goes off road when i talk him into it. He was a car guy, but he bought a Jeep to fit in with some friends that we hang out with now. 😅
In MN, all-terrains w/ lots of siping is the way to go for me. They work great in the snow/rain and most of my driving is on blacktop w/ only 2-3 major off road events per year.
One thing not mentioned is MTs are made of a softer rubber compound. Better grip, wear out faster. Same sliding scale for AT and HT. Everything's a compromise.
He actually dismissed the hybrids/RTs with a one liner : they are a softer compound than MT. But I wouldn’t mind it if he did a deeper dive into the world of hybrids.
To me its all about do they clean out I got a 97 318 Dakota 4+4 285\75\16 Terra Storms cost $700 all way round mounted and balanced they clean out very good they're not noisy I live in Mississippi and I've only had to lock in 2 times in 5 months good video man
farmer in hawaii here, i use ko2's and they work a treat. 99.9999% of my truckie's life is on asphalt, usually towing something. some brief times are in a mix of mud and -worst of all - wet grass. mud terrain tires fall apart under working loads too easily. my field has a lot of buried metal bits and punctures were always an issue until i switched.
I ran the toyo MT and the falken at3w on my power wagon driving across the rockies from colorado to california in winter storms multiple times and honestly never noticed a difference. I pretty much only run toyo or nitto mts and have never once locked up in the rain. Also either of those brands I've experienced to be quieter than other brands ATs. I'm an MT guy.
I would include also the concrete/asphalt performance. Yes, it isnt main focus of offroading, but you have to get there somehow and in most cases, you travel on standard roads with apshalt or concerete highways where is the performance of offroad tires terrible in comparision to highway tires. Yes, yes I get it that highway tires wont get you to Mordor and back, but most people will face emergency braking while getting to outbacks while beeing on the highway or city. So some tips and facts about it wont hurt and might swing the opinion either way. Except this... Great video! Really enjoyed it! Thank you :)
I am a big fan of having two full sets of tyres and rims you have to remove them after a muddy trip to clean 🧽them anyway so the work is half done so put road tyres back on and enjoy the ride and fuel saving till the next Adventure
You get 3 choices. RT's, Rough terrain. I've got radar RT's. Quiet, Cheaper than Muddies, good in the wet and dry, look amazing. Best of both worlds. I love them and will never buy any other tyre.
A mate of mine had a 60 series with lockers front and rear 12.5 x 33 tyres, my 60 had open center diffs and to prove a point I fitted light truck chees cutters to mine, we went away, through river crossings, mud bogs and huge rocky hills, I went every where he did and got to the same point on a steep rocky fire trail as he did. I have found the Kevlar Goodyear MTRs very good, never had a puncture with them. My favorite tyres were the Olympic steel trek tyres, 14 ply never a puncture, tuff as nails.
Using a decibel reader is what you should’ve used in the road noise test. Getting “used” to it can just be compared to plain hearing loss lol awesome video
Exactly.. could be an issue of not popping your ears after a descent as well
Exactly. I have A/T on my Outback xt and they are faaaar quieter than the M/T on a buddy's ram.
Not to mention the M/Ts handled awful on the road in comparison.
There's a bunch of other factors, but that was my experience with them
All Terrains has got me all over Australia without a drama
@@JustPete65 yeah but your not promoting a tyre brand on you tube . How else is maxxis going to sell tyres
@@trickymon think I have Yokohama... Tyre plus. I don't listen to anything pushed on UA-cam
I too, have had no issues using a good set of all terrains on my old 4x4.
Agreed mate! Falken Wildpeak AT's are my choice ;)
I don't really get this type of comment, you can go 5 minutes down the road and get stuck even in muddies it really depends where you're going.
'All over Australia' I mean mate, more info needed.
Part of the problem with your examples of "highway terrain" tires is the sidewalls are weaker mainly because they are "P-metric" tires designed for passenger vehicles. They're softer for comfort and lightweight for economy. Whereas most "real" all-terrain and mud terrains are "LT-metric" or Light Truck. They're built with stiffer sidewalls and are heavier because they're ment for use on work trucks. So gym shoe vs Work boots/hiking boots. Proper footwear for the tasks.
True, and LT is the most important thing for casual / soft-roading - but an HT tread on an LT carcass will still suck, so it's kind of just an academic argument. The scenario that could be an interesting comparison is on something like a Subaru, whether to use small LT tires versus car-rated gravel rally tires.
With P-metric, I mostly got stuck from tires popping. With LT ATs, I would get stuck from lack of traction, but never popping. And with MTs, I really didn't even get stuck. A couple close calls, but even high-centered on the front diff, they were able to claw their way up and out of ruts.
Also most AT tires have a lot of sizes that are P-metric - it can often actually be hard to find an AT tire that is E load.
@@adrianbjones it is not hard to find AT tires in LT ratings at all.
@@craigquannexactly. Got LT tires on my Outback xt, they've been great for years
Exactly, this Ronny Dahl guy clearly doesnt know a damn thing about tires and just threw together a video script from the 5 minutes of research he did on google
In my part of the US (Utah) we don't really get a ton of mud, but we do have a lot of snow. Since my jeep is also my daily driver I go with the an aggressive 3peak rated all terrain. The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT has done everything I've thrown at it without complaint. It's pretty agressive, the side and shoulder lugs have some decent spacing, snow rated, fairly quiet etc. If we didn't spend half the year in snow I'd consider an MT. And as always, tire pressure, throttle control, line choice etc are going to play a bigger factor for a lot of situations that AT vs MT.
Same here in Patagonia! We do have mud but we do have snow and ice in winter. So a 3 pick All Terrain is the way to go for mi and my Hilux. In my case I’m using Duratrac for the first time since I always used BF Goodrich and so far so good!!
I live in Kentucky and we have it all mud rocks and snow and I drive a heavy 1999 2500 suburban 4x4 so if I start up a hill and I don't have something that will grab even in dry weather I will start to spin even when my lockers kick in so it's mud terrain tires for me
I run Westlake MT on my truck, handles everything pretty good. Grips the wet roads a little too good, to the point my truck can barely spin tires if I floor it at a dead stop. Handles real well in the snow too, up here in MI where we actually get lots of snow, it chews it way through quite well on the seasonal roads where I go. Better than the BG Goodrich tires I had before and I keep my tire pressures around 30 psi.
My Blazer came with Good-Years that pulled when I breaked 😢
The replacement MT's solved that and being in NJ saw a lot of sand
Sage advice.
I have run several sets of BFG ATs and MTs. The MTs are death on snow and ice on the road, ATs gum up in mud. I went to a Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, studded. It was a happy medium between the AT and MT tires plus the studs were better on icy roads. Tire chains for hard winter off-road. I'm in Colorado, driving an XJ Cherokee. My usage is mostly off-road, but I drive on the highway through the mountains to get there. One guy's opinion. Thanks for the good content.
The BFG mud terrain was the only MT I've had that I hated. Not only are they bad in snow like you say, they aren't as good in mud as other mud tires. I usually look for mud tires that will receive studs, and they usually work in snow like a snow tire, and better in mud than my BFG's ever would. Having the "sipeing" or whatever they call that where there are slits cut in the tread blocks to make them softer and squishier, helps them grip ice, and also helps them self clean in the mud. It's a win win. I think the new BFG might be better, but the generation I had used hard, solid tread blocks and they didn't really do the job in the mud like the other tires I've owned.
Very good review but you forgot one important difference. Mud terrains are terrible on wet pavement. They also have less grip on pavement so worse cornering and braking. If you only consider time, most off-roaders would do well to do 20% off-road. But if you consider milage it's probably less than 10% off road. I'd rather have the safer tire on road where you're much more likely to have an accident or close call.
Fair point but when it comes to road driving, also consider the "number one rule" drive to the conditions, most people don't regardless of tires, this also should account for your vehicle type, its load and your abilities, many on the road have a lack of, add condition of tire and tire pressures! Again misleading!
@@denisleblanc4506 very nice discussion that's the way I like it 👍💯🤠
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to be fair that also has a lot to do with brand / quality. i have maxxis razr's and outperform any lesser brand any type tyre in any condition easily. the only 2 brands id reccomend is BFG or Maxxis for quality, and i lean a bit more towards BGF in my own opinion
@@doublehelix109 I have BFG tyres on my 4WD (trail terrains) and they are absolute shithouse in the wet. I’ve had the back end twitch (mine and the car) on two occasions on a roundabout in the wet. When they next need replacing I’ll be going back to the Michelin LTX Force tyres which were unbelievable in the wet. They were also better on sand. I’m sure there’s brands that will beat the BFG in the wet but I’m not sure I’m up for another 60000km experiment.
I agree with you on most points, but you left out where mud terrains really suffer:
1. Wet roads
Mud terrains stronger and larger block patterns create a very slippery surface on wet roads
2. Snow-covered roads
As with wet roads, the design of the mud terrain is not suitable on snowy or icy roads. They have little to no functional siping, and a harder rubber compound that gets even harder in cold weather
3. Road comfort
Given the harder compound and heavier sidewalls, noise isn't the only adjustment you'll need to make when running an MT on the street. They ride much harsher than an AT
4. Fuel economy
You can expect to lose 2 - 4 mpg by switching to an aggressive MT. In a vehicle that only gets 20mpg, that equates to a 10% - 20% reduction in fuel economy. That is a result of the additional weight and increased rolling resistance due to the aggressive lugs colliding with the road, which can often be felt in the steering wheel at low speeds.
If you have a dedicated trail rig, then mud tires are the clear choice. However, if you are an occasional off-road adventurer, or if you take extended overland trips that will include at least 50% of the travel on improved roadways, or you live in a climate that sees snow and ice in the winter, then an AT would be a much better choice.
great explainers bro thanks 👍🏽
We use our 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road as a daily driver, work around our property and for taking it on service and forest roads during our summer months.
We live 5 miles from town (30 miles from the city) up in the mountains in north central Washington state.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter.
I recently bought Falken Wildpeak AT4W in 265/75/16.
I also bought new Bronze Modem Wheels.
My Tacoma came with 16” wheels and I could have easily bought 17” wheels but I wanted a taller side wall on my tires for those times when I need to air down.
Going from a 31” tire to a 32” tire, I’ve noticed that my truck wants to stay in 5th gear longer before up shifting into 6th gear.
I’ve also noticed that my fuel mileage has dropped.
But they’re better off road and in our snowy roads.
Overall I’m happy with the extra 1” in ground clearance.
I had been running all terrains for decades and decided on mud terrains this last time to just try them out. At first I didn’t like the noise, but these have been the longest wearing tires I’ve ever had and do quite well in the rain and snow on my 2005 Grand Cherokee. Nitto Trail Grapplers.
I had those too, great tires, not as pricey as some of the other options out there either.
Great video Ronnie and hello from the Scottish Highlands. I have both MT (KM2s) and AT (KO2s) for my old Hilux and one thing that may not be an issue in Perth WA but very much is in Perthshire, Scotland is snow and ice.
I have had disappointing and terrifying moments with MT in snow. They are worse than a winter highway tyre on a snowy road. The ATs are phenomenal in wet or powdery snow on or off road.
So if you live in a colder climate, consider what my 2 decades experience here has taught me: MTs for summer and autumn and ATs for winter and spring (still snows here in April).
Correct, MTs are pretty useless in the cold and snow and ice. This is due to their compound, large voids and little to no siping. You want smaller voids and a lot of siping in the snow an ice, not to mention a rubber compound designed to stay flexible in cold temperatures.
My KO2s are the worst tires I've ever had in ice/snow and rain. Having my local tire shop sipe the tires made an enormous difference.
@@henrikm4657 KO2 are renowned for being a death trap in wet, even here in the tropics they cause plenty of 4wders to end up on their lid at a roundabout. No snow for thousands of miles.
Use SIPED mudders. Try something like a Trxus MT.
How about winter tires in the winter?
Another UA-camr Dan from the Road Chose Me circumnavigated Africa with Geolanders and never had a puncture or failure. He just left Australia after driving all over. He is Australian living in Canada. Great video Ronnie.
Great review Ronny, 💯 % agree, your line about H/T are the tyres that get you to the tyre shop cracked me up!😂😂😂
Never have we had tyre issues for 5 years with running a good set of mud terrain tyres, driven the toughest conditions and in the outback. Deflating the tyre pressures and reducing speed on the dirt helps.
Mud terrain is the best option, and our only option, for all the points you said.
Good video Ronny, thanks for sharing.
You nailed it in this video.
I think the most critical issue in all tires is the weak sidewalls. I rank traction second to reliability/durability as flats are a pizzov, dirty labour and expensive, not to mention getting two in one day will turn that day's drive into a walk or a radio call rescue.
I started driving in a Dodge Power Wagon in 1972 in British Columbia, Canada. Radials barely existed and mainly in Europe. We ran retread Goodyear bias 12 ply lug tires similar to military tires. The sidewalls were vertical without the vulnerable sidewall bulge. I cannot remember ever having a flat.
Since then, I've spent 40 years on 3 continents driving nearly every brand of 4x4 in mineral exploration. I have had the occasional flat through the cord. But I've had a bunch of torn sidewalls. The brand doesn't matter. HT tires don't belong anywhere beyond your driveway.
AT/MT and traction??? I dunno. I reach for the winch control pretty much as soon as I lose forward motion. Dramatic traction hunting and spinning tires is not in my DNA. 200 meters of straps in the box, a winch with a snatch block and an excuse to get out for a pee is my Get Out Of Goo Free card.
I've run BFG, Toyo, Bridgestone, Cooper, Firestone and a few cheap Chinese brands. I actually now prefer cheap Chinese (Atturo, Haida) as slicing a sidewall is not so painful on the wallet. BFG are sooo expensive and sooo over rated. Their sidewalls are as vulnerable to pointy sticks, especially in burns, as any.
And noise has never been on my radar. It's a truck. Get a bigger sound system. Or get old and turn off your hearing aids 😆
Tip of the hat to you man! Great review. Ive been offroading for more than 30 years and have tried every tire possible. You are spot on in every detail of this video, even down to the difficulties of various tire types on traction boards. Id like to add a couple comments that i have seen. I run virtually identical trucks with mud tires on the diesel and aggressive all terrain ( kevlar reinforced) on the gasser. I have another diesel truck with mud, a toyota with all terrain, and a tractor with industrial tires. Ive used paddle tires in deep sand too. The highway terrain term you coined is perfect. They are bad in most offroad environments except pure sand (like beach without debris) they are very good there when aired down appropriately (i am referring to your definition of highway "off road" tires and not pure street tires). Mud tires have a weakness when it comes to snow on pavement. You need siping and they just dont have enough to take steep grades in really slushy or icy conditions as good as an all terrain or snow tire. They work fair enough in deep powder on flatter surfaces or off pavement snow. Great video! Best one i've seen. You should do an addendum that talks about airing down effects on contact patch...if you havent already.
We're the owners of two large-acre cattle properties in Western Queensland, and I'd like to add my bit to this contentious subject. We will never agree that mud terrains are an all-around tyre for heavy working 4WD's on a combination of sharp stone, sticks, sand, gravel and mud. We're dragging all sorts of trailers, tools, welding equipment and farm gear, mostly never on tar. Those open treads leave so much of the tyre exposed to punctures, and wear super fast in our country due to them having maybe half tge tread rubber being ripped and worn at any one time. Just ditching the muddies has probably dropped our punctures by 75+ percent, and believe me, we have a fully equipped tyre repair setup here, and have gotten too good at it. And there's no chance I'll let my wife off down a winding raining potholed bitumin road on mud terrains. You guys can have your fashion statements and believe whatever you want. It's performance and reliability that work around here.
I've worked with 2 company fleets for offroad oil/gas work trucks across the US. 6000 trucks in 1 company, 1000 in another. We found the same in most our field work where you also drive to those field locations. We run quality AT tires with good side wall cleats. Toss the chains and traction boards in the back for really sticky days.
Well said, the only all purpose tyre for mixed 4WD use is a good tough ALL TERRAIN tyre.
Full stop.
Muddies have their place, but are poor on sand, vulnerable in mulga or spinifex country and hopeless on wet bitumen and lethal on wet concrete boat ramps or concrete high speed roads.
Highway terrain tyres should obviously never leave the black top.
All terrains for me, everyday
So an experienced off roader makes a video of the best tyres going and you keyboard warrior's think you know better
@@sqidseyno, two guys who do it all day everyday for work, commented their experience on a channel of a guy who did off-roading as a hobby before starting a UA-cam channel, and off-roads several weeks a year.
@@sqidseyhe's not the only one with off-road experience bub
Another great video, Ronnie! Good discussion of the pros and cons of each. For me, where I live, and what I use my rig for, there's really zero question of the best choice for me, and that's a good quality set of aggressive A/T's. I have to use my truck for all sorts of jobs that mostly involve road driving, and even when I do go off roading, it's almost always a long haul on pavement to get there, sometimes in some crazy weather conditions including severe hail and rainstorms, or on icy, snowy roads. The small advantage M/T's would give me is not worth the loss of economy and on-road performance, especially in the wet, as others have mentioned. Cheers from Canada, mate!
Good review Ron. Side wall size, strength and protection at different tyre pressure is probably the most under considered aspect of 4x4 tyres and their use. "DOT" codes also need attention. The DOT code describes the tyre rubber, composition, sidewall AND date of manufacture. Tyre rubber hardens up as it ages. This means it loses grip, strength and wares faster the older it is. That means you get fewer kilometres out of them. I'm pretty sure many have been caught out buying what should be "good" tyres, but because they sat for 3 years on the shelf in stock you only get 2 thirds of the life out of them and they handle like crap with little grip. My guess is that OLD tyres at the time of sale is probably a main reason people change tyre brands and type, blaming the tyre, when the real problem is they were just sold OLD tyres. I'm going to stick with strong side walled, aggressively lugged All Terrains because it suits my use. The All Terrain - Mud Terrain argument is a spectrum with a lot of in between areas. Cheers.
Just my $0.02. I have a stock F-150 with the FX4 package. Height might be different than a regular F-150. It has basic skid plates. It’s got 4x4. Different shocks. A locking rear diff.
It also has highway tires. I have gone on many trails on O’ahu just fine. Sand. Dirt. Grass. Rocks. Gravel. Mud.
Mud has been the killer. They get gummed up and slide all over and it gets dangerous.
This video is great!
I don’t NEED off-road tires. But since the highway tread ones are ready to be replaced, it makes sense to get something nice.
I heard that when Ronny puts on a new set of ATs, he cuts a few off the thick tread blocks off, keeps them under his bed for when he has night terrors to chew on helping him cope.
They have hybrids that are a blend of both, they are called R/T for rugged terrain.
Honestly those just seem like bald mud tires lol
@@KP-w4gu I have a set on my vehicle, they aren’t too bad 🤙
Milestar Patagonia XT is a hybrid too.
I've got Radar Renegade RTs on my RA ranger, I rate them, not as noisy as MTs but more aggressive than ATs. Great value for the coin ayy
@@Godammit666666 that’s what I have on my Pajero 🤙
Good video, and certainly has me more open to mud terrains in the future but for a couple things: Wet pavement (very common in my area) I think favors the all terrain. Also, snow and ice. KO2's (all terrains) are mountain/snowflake rated so I can run them year 'round up where I live.
If you're in a location that gets frequent snow, that might tip the scales towards good ATs. The edges of the tread blocks give grip on snow, so the large solid tread blocks on mud tires give dismal grip in the white stuff. The additional edges of the more intricate AT tread patterns, combined with siping that isn't usually present in a mud tire tread, give the AT a much better grip on snow. I'm in Colorado and I see jeeps with big mud tires off the road all over the place when the snow rolls in, while my Duratracs are pulling along nicely.
If you want to run the same tire year-round, there are some very decent AT options for snow. But you're probably doing serious off-roading in the winter. For me I'd rather switch to a true winter tire with some cheap steelies for the winter months. Nothing beats a good winter tire in the snow, they're downright magical and the extra 10m stopping distance might just save your life.
@@jgalt99 or get studs (if legal), they will help an all season M&S tyre (like the Duratrac) even though as a tyre its not as good as a true winter. Personally, I go for a separate set of winters.
@@hdavies0 But then again: Studs reduce your grip on dry and wet roads and don't change snow grip. So if the road isn't fully icy they are quite a disadvantage.
And they don't keep the tyre softer at low temperatures either.
I agree that seperate winter tires for regions that experience winters are the best choice.
We live at the end of an unimproved road at elevation and higher latitude. We've tried M/Ts over the years but always come back to A/Ts for our conditions. If snow of any significant depth is involved, I've yet to find a M/T that can perform was well as a good A/T.
@@stephenbesch5331 snow and/or rain
I run STT PROS after 6,000 miles I rotated them and they had wicked vibrations! Had to rebalance them all. One in particular has a ton of weights on it. Rims have gashes in them as well from off roading. But I love my Mud Tires lol they are louder after rotating as well. But hopefully they will last a while longer. Love your videos !!
Ronny, if the IOC ever made 4wding an Olympic sport; You would win Gold mate!
Your vids are 110% awesome. I learn something every time. Thank heaps.
Hello! What AT tires would you recomend in 235/75/15? (I do not want to move to another size because the car will soon be registered as a retro vehicle)
Great advice, as usual. Thanks for busting the myths & covering the pros & cons so we can make an informed choice.
I bought and used a set of those Maxxis MTs for a year, mostly from watching your reviews. Here in the states,.... I have to say I abandoned them. Super quiet on the pavement, but off road the tread sliced up very easily.
After two years of the milestar Patagonia MTs, I felt much more confident. But this year I'm going with the Patagonia XT, which is their hybrid.
Man, I love you Land Cruser. Wish we could get them here.
Maxxis is going to last longer, have better grip and your sidewall wont blow out like the pats. They are soft to help traction. Slices are fine as long as they arent chunking to the point it become detrimental.
I got 18k out of my maxxis. 25k out of bf k02. 65k out of Toyo open country MT’s. Won’t get another tyre now.
@tdel8613 I hear ya, but this is very old news. Milestar has continued developing their tire compounds. From first had experience I can only tell you my opinion. The Patagonia is an all around better tire than the maxxis . Sidewall failures were completely overblown.
I love my XT's!
what about the extra fuel consumption using a mud tyre, not mentioned
negligible
Size will have a greater impact than tread pattern and most people who are dedicated to offroading are willing to make the sacrifice
@@loafofbeans9126yep, size will make the difference far before tread pattern on a new set
No one cares about fuel m8 😅
I have heard from many off-roaders that Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 is one of the best All-terrain tyre out there.
Ive got Geolander M/T, they are the most underrated tyres on the market, my son has Razors M/T , they are equally as good.
I had muddies on my 80 but I have ATs on my 200. I don’t do as much crazy stuff in the 200 for the obvious reason - it isn’t a lifted and locked 80!!
But I also had a small run around as a daily so didn’t drive the 80 all the time. If you can afford to run two vehicles then go for muddies - if your 4WD is your daily then ATs are the go.
I have both these tires on 6 of my rigs, outstanding tires!!!!
So glad we bought A/Ts Omikron Accelera for our Hilux. I know it's not as popular as any brand but it was the only available A/Ts we can find in such a rural area and they really look good and I go off road 30% of the time and it's not even that hard core where an M/T is needed. I needed to replace my standard H/T tires at 73k Kilometers I was expecting it to be noisy on road but it's actually not and these tires are perfect if you want your tires to perform on and a bit of off road. Basically, they're in between highway and mud terrain principle.
Would BFG KO2s give you confidence in snow weather if you put them on a heavy SUV? Wondering if it's okay to have them all year round or get dedicated winter tyre for the colder/snowy months?
100 % BFG KO 3's are the best tire on snow or anything else for that matter. MT's look cool, but just not practical. KO3's are great in the snow.
Great discussion.
As you can see a lot of people have their own views on their experiences, so I think whatever works for your it is fine.
On my Defender I have been running Goodyear Wranglers MT/R and yes are noisy but had performed really well over the years.
My son bought a new Suzuki Jimny XL 5 door and put on BFG Mud terrains and I was surprised how quite they are and fantastic grip.
Cheers
Goodyear dura tracs best overall tire I've ever thru on axles mud,snow, rocks,sand they take it and take it well and run more asphalt miles than mt/s. Good vid 👍
I totally agree with you on tire choice. The all terrains love to hold onto rocks/gravel and then eject at a later time. Watching your review I also looked up the Maxis tires and saw that they make a tall skinny 15" tire so I think that I will give them a try on my next purchase. 15" tires are getting harder to find now that everyone has larger diameter brake rotors. I think that the 15" went away after 2006 here in the US.
I run a 255 85/r17 Mickey Thompson Baja boss AT load E tire. Jeep Mojave no mods, offset rims to zero. It handles all mud, sand and rocky terrains of Michigan very well. In Missouri they really shines through the mountain gravel and slick rocks. Now mind that these are considered pizza cutters so when airing down they tread grows long instead of wide. I haven't found any major cons yet. Find out when we go to Colorado. Road noise is very low. Snow traction is A+.
I wanted those for my Ram. Those and the new Toyo RT will probably do great in mid.
I had those tires on my JKR and I loved them. They worked out great in Moab & Silverton. Excellent wet weather tire, great in the snow, larger rocks they are very grippy, highways very quiet with plenty of traction. My only complaint with them now is the fact that I no longer have the JKR and have purchased an LJ on 15" wheels. Who wants 31" tires? I want tall skinny 33's.
Fantastic that you have revisited this armed with real world experience and knowledge. Well done Ronny
Appreciate bro for his time making this video. It was worth it mate 🎉cheers 🥂
Nice video production quality mate - looks great 👍🏻
Pity you forgot about performance on the road in the wet, particularly if you’re towing. Considering most of us live in urban areas we need to get to the off road tracks first 🤔
Not the context of his video.
Do mud terrains chew out quicker if used on the highway alot?
Very very good information on types of tires and their pros and cons. Thanks.
Only here to watch those badass 70-series! You Aussie guys are so lucky. Here in the USA, we get the rubbish version Toyota trucks, with the exception of the 4Runner and FJ but even those don't have turbo diesels. Nice channel mate
Videos like this is the salt of YT. Really really useful info.
It's pretty basic common sense.. he's not really saying anything new
Does he have to ? Experience and viewer knowledge differs a lot.
I choose AT tires for my Jimny. because you can get them with the symbols for winter. So it is an all season tires and Im allowed to drive with them in winter conditions.
I would say: if you have more than one vehicle, go all the way with mud terrains. If your 4wd is your only car, maybe think about the ATs, depending on how much you wheel. I agree with you in avery aspect, although I'm inclined to buy ATs my next tire change, mostly because of the road noise and terrible (even dangerous) road performance specially when raining. Great video.
AT’s are usually (brand dependent) far better than MT’s on wet tarmac and also in snow. But given that you live in WA neither are likely to be a common occurrence. Especially snow.. For daily driving I prefer AT’s but I have a second set of wheels with MT’s on.. Here in Scotland I use AT’s most of the time. The difference between the BFG AT’s and MT’s in snow is huge. Totally agree that Road Tread’s are crap.
Ronny I think, is one of me the most informative 4x4 UA-camrs
Hi Ronny, have you noticed a lot of the new/updated All Terrain tyres main tread pattern is becoming more highway oriented and a number of once great Mud Terrain tyres seem to have morphed into a strong looking side wall but with more of a classic All Terrain tread pattern.
I’ve been told this is because of modern rubber technologies and tire construction !
But I believe it’s more to do with people fitting Mud Terrain tyres for the looks and complaining about their performance on the open roads!
What do you feel about this?
100%. insurance companies probably have a part to play in that as well with shiny mall crawlers having prangs left right and center
Switched to Maxxis ATs from Bridgestone ATs for that exact reason.
After 6 tears with 900x 16 Bar Grips on a 101 forward Control Landrover for tree work mainly on road but plenty of real mud and rough hills, not much sand. Now in a L200 with All terrain on the front and Mud on the back, it's better but with a Chainsaw and Chipper going when not driving who notices ant noise? Great round up. Cheers
Fuel economy changes between brands and types of tyres as well. We also put little nylon beads in the MT and AT tyres so they self balance once up to speed. It reduced the vibration. some manufacturer now have foam inside the tyres to reduce the noise as well. Like you say you have to decide on what you are using the tyre for the most of the time first and work from there. Or get a spare set of wheels. most of europe have winter/summer sets! Thank you for the information.
Maxxis tyres are absolutely amazing, i run the Razr 811's A/T on my Mux now, i also ran them on my Jackaroo they are awesome.
I have tried other brands, I won't use nothing else but Maxxis, best brand tyre you can buy
As always, great information!
I ran Cooper (Zenon) Mud Terrains for years on my land rovers and I was very pleased but they aren’t offered any longer. I switched to BFG All Terrains KO 2 and they’re okay, but I miss the version my Mud Terrains.
I’m going back to Mud Terrains on my LR4 next tire purchase
I love Cooper tires!
Thank you for helping me decide to get mud terrain tires for my motorcycle! With ear plugs, road noise isn’t an issue
Out all the cons you mentioned about mud tyres I’ve never had any issues with Kenda tyres just saying, love the content bro ❤
I would love to hear more about the physical properties of the rubber compounds used in manufacturing the different types of tires also. Thanks for the great video!
Had MT Nitto Trail Grapplers on mine for 50k and still got a heap of life left on them. Noise is not an issue as the roof rack is way noisier in a modern 4WD.
No problems in the wet on roads just drive to the conditions.
I’ve even had a 40mm tech screw from a construction site go through the tread block and once I got it out it didn’t puncture the tyre.
I’d rather have MTs and have them rather than be stuck in a situation where I wish I did. Just my opinions though.
Just watched your video, very informative.
My question is I have a Ford ranger wildtrak with maxxis razor MT 35x12.5x20. The front 2 tyres are worn. I would like to change to Maxxis 811 all terrains in the same size. Can i run the AT on the front and MT on the rear until the rear tyres wear out ?
Any thought on fuel consumptions between the two?
Had 38 super swampers on 99 f250..terrible in the rain...noisy as hell...never got stuck in mud. Have 31 wrangler authority on my cherokee....no complaints at all. Rain snow and mud...go like crazy
Great Video, exactly is Ronny talking the right things in the right time 💯👍 agree with him.
The only thing the AT could be more useful ever is perhaps in colder conditions like snow ore ice roads.
Would be a great comparison video also but not so easy in Australia.
Greetings from north sweden, I think I am gonna try next the muddies in winter we all use snow tires with spikes.
Have had often struggle and to fight with AT's on wet gravel roads in springtime or also on wet gras. Zero grip.
I've run A/Ts for ~10 years now on my jeep. First 5 years was 90% street / 10% off road, mostly beach with trail riding / rock crawling once a year. The last five years has mostly been trail riding / rock crawling. The A/Ts have done just fine. Definitely lacking on the muddy trails. The A/Ts have not been the weak link rock crawling, the suspension has been.
Building the rig more for rock crawling theses days, next set of tires will be M/Ts.
In my country when the world is covered by snow from November till April 3peak snow flake rated tires are a must unless you switch to true winter tires.
I run them all year around as I’m close to the mountains.
which tires are you using in the snow? I’m using BFG KO2. Should I get the KO3 or do you recommend another brand?
true winter tires run laps around mud terrain and all terrain in winter. But I don`t want to have 6 tires stored in the shed all year round
MT tires would laugh at snows, because they act as paddles, but okay genius....
@@valdorobantu290 For 4 wheeling in deep snow yes. For grip on ice and packed snow MTs are awful. MT tires have really hard rubber designed for warm weather.
In my 40 years of off-roading in the harsh, rocky deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada, & Baja Mexico, i have found The Maxxis RAZR MT's to be the overall best! Performance, durability, long lasting.. my all time favorite tires .
There's a new kid on the block, and it's an RT, it's the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT LT...
Not as aggressive as an MT, thereby less road noise, but way more capable than an AT, especially some of the AT's that are hitting the market now...
I ran Bridgestones REVO AT's for 20yrs, was never disappointed UNTIL the AT Revo 3's came out, ran a set on my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 for 4yrs, they wore fast(24k mi), they were NOT comfortable, and they really weren't an "AT", they were more of an HT for trucks...I switched(may 2024) to the Goodyear Wranglers Duratrac RT LT's and never looked back, they're pricey for sure, but the ride nice, have a little road noise that is more than acceptable, and are wearing well...I like the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT LT's so much, I put them on my 2024 Chev Silverado Trail Boss LT, and it came with decent tires(another Goodyear Wrangler) to begin with...
These Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac RT's are NOT the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac's of the past, these are NEW tires, redefined and redesigned...
I also have a 2002 GMC 2500HD with the LB7 Duramax, lifted, etc with 35x12.50 Yokohama G003 MT's...
ALL tires I run are load range E LT's, no P tires for me...
I run 35" muds and use balancing beads. Over the road semis use them.
Dump a bag of ceramic beads in the tire and you never lose your wheel weights.
With M/T be careful on snow packed and icy roads! They are awesome on slushy or powdery snow. Muds all day any day!
Some other folk have hit rain / snow as a nissed point.
I'm going to add one last thing....
Is it a daily driver? Mud terrains on a dedicated adventure rig are a no brainer. But if you're doing 80-90% highway driving.... with light forays offroad.... AT's are probably the better buy.
All depends on your use. Great vid though!
I've just switched from AT to RT last year and when it rains it's almost like driving on ice. I'm considering getting back to AT as it's my daily. And AT's have never really have let me down.
wow one WHOLE decade? Been at this since the 60's. Recovery since the 80's
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Mr Hasitall talking about being stuck with parts is cute. We can afford two sets but at 2600meters and ~7" of rain a year, we are fine.
I have a Land Rover 110 (Defender) with 285/75/16 BFG Mud Terrain KM2, fully siped. Use them all year in Norway, even in heavy snowconditions. They are old not (cause they refuse to wear out...) but still do a great job. The siping is also good when offroading in the summer, like climbing rocks.
To be fair not all allterane tires are equal either. The mickey thompson baja boss at has an asymmetrical pattern and the lugs are quite a bit more spread out than most. These tires are also the quietest I've had and great in mud and on rock. If you haven't used them I would check them out, you may like them
On appearance they look like a MT but the MT is even more aggressive. Great tyre
I had MT Baja STZs to 110k Km on my Cruiser. They only died when an old lady drove into me and wrote the car off, though they probably only had another 20k in them.
Some good points as always mate, worth thinking about weight/fuel impact?
Another awesome review Ronny! I’ve got KO2’s atm and now after this review I’ll definitely be getting some MT’s. I have the option to select 4A whilst driving on wet roads and AT’s are fine, so MT’s shouldn’t be much different. Again another great in depth review! 😎💯
I ran the KO2 M/T. Offroad they produce exceptional grip and flex. The Tire compound is very soft and wear happens quickly on pave surfaces. Sharp rocks will also tear out section of the tread blocks. I run through 1 set of tires per year and was disappointed with the tire life 15k Miles. The older BFG M/T had a much better tread life. I do really like the ability the softer tread compound provides in driver feed back. It slowly starts letting go of the surface giving time for driver input.
Thanks for sharing that review @davidbutler5114
driving 40" toyo open country mt. very happy with them.
not noisy. not much extra fuel consumption. good grip. just when the road gets wet u have to be carefull.
I have gone Mud Terrains for mud, snow and grass and tracks for sand. On my wife's SUV the most important thing is a rim protector. She scuffs the curbs weekly. On my diesel it is so loud that road noise doesn't matter. On my F-150 hybrid I have all-terrains and plan to go with a milder tread since it lives on the highway and I appreciate the quiet.
Pretty good analysis. Thanks. Have used both over the decades and generally, MTs always work better for me.
I've run the same RAZR MTs for several years and they have been superb. Now the top step in the tread blocks is gone they're still superb off-road and on dry sealed roads. However... Wet sealed road performance is now atrocious. Unpredictable understeer and oversteer. It's very clear that it's now a dangerous proposition thinking about wearing these tyres down to minimum tread depth. Not ditching them though. For the one clear weakness, I've got a set of quality ATs for daily driving through the wetter months. These MTs, though worn, still play hard off-road, and on unsealed roads.
Where Ronnys advice is spot on is in choosing the tyre that best suits the majority of the terrain travelled on.
I guess a quick way to sum things up. MTs are for extreme terrain, the more the path is unlike the road, the better the MTs will usually do.
ATs are a good mid ground between the extremes of on and off road optimized, provided one gets a good quality AT with a good quality side wall.
Highway tires are for the highway (duh), if one brings them off road, then one is taking their chances with having the wrong tool for the job.
Also for Alpine areas the All Terrain KO2 are snow/peak rated whereas the Mud Terrains are not. Worth considering if you you are running up and down the ski fields.
I would prefer the new BFG KO3 or, much better, the new Falken A/T4W
A/T is all 99% people need unless ur in mud all the time
M/T is really not a smart decision. My number one choice for A/T tire is the cooper AT3. Iv never got more than 30,000 miles on any tire iv owned usually more around 20-25000 miles. Coopers iv seen up to 60,000 miles on a set i was blown away. Idk if there best traction but always got the job done for me. Im a hunter cut firewood do scrap metal removal. Also do a lot of snowmobiling in the winter drive in some really slippery conditions. So im in some pretty rough spots sometimes cant say enough good about the cooper AT3’s. The tire even has the cool factor with the sidewall tread lol!! U can always put some chains or traction devices on ur A/T tires if u know ur going to need more traction best of both worlds.
What is your take on RT tires Ronny? (Rugged Terrain, both AT & MT design incorporated.)
Very Interesting. Your Last Comment - One trip per Year, go AT's. This is where I am at. Having Family/Parents in RSA that has done Adventures all troughout RSA/Namibia/Mozambique/Botswana/Angola/Malawi/Lesotho/Swaziland over the Last 40 Years. I trust what they say and all of them prefer All Terrains. They all say tyres now are way beter than what they fitted in 1980's and that got them to extreme places. The right techniques also makes a big difference.
I put some cheap A/Ts on my honda pilot, basically because its not much of a off-roader.
They have a very interesting tread pattern. There is a lot of fine siping that progresses to bigger siping, that progresses to the actual tread blocks.
I basically just needed something that i could take off road to get to fishing spots and drive down in the pasture.
I have encountered pretty muddy conditions when it floods here. So far they have been amazing. Sometimes, i have started spinning when climbing steep hills, but i just roll back a bit and come up at a different speed (usually slower).
I dont expect them to last for a lot of miles, but i barely drive that thing anymore.
They are called Dextero ATs, and the only difference between the ATs and highway version is tread spacing and side lugs on the AT.
My buddy just put 37inch interco Super Swamper SXTs on his Gladiator, and they are AGGRESSIVE! He gets bothered because he is OCD about his truck and they throw stuff up at the truck. Lol
He only goes off road when i talk him into it.
He was a car guy, but he bought a Jeep to fit in with some friends that we hang out with now. 😅
In MN, all-terrains w/ lots of siping is the way to go for me.
They work great in the snow/rain and most of my driving is on blacktop w/ only 2-3 major off road events per year.
Right now I have a set of Razrs I put on when I got my truck 2 years ago and like them. I will consider MT tires next round when i am ready.
One thing not mentioned is MTs are made of a softer rubber compound. Better grip, wear out faster. Same sliding scale for AT and HT. Everything's a compromise.
Thanks for the info this will definitely help me when I get a new set off tires ! Good on ya mate.
Rugged terrain (aka hybrids)?
100 percent, what about Hybrids like the Toyo R/T or Goodyear Duratrac or Micky Thompson Baja Boss A/T?
What about them? Theyre closer to at's than mt's. So theyre marginally the same in every condition. Mt's are the real step above at's
@@alextrainor2552 wanted some more information than that. Some real world feedback
@@alextrainor2552BULLSHIT they are closer to a A/T
He actually dismissed the hybrids/RTs with a one liner : they are a softer compound than MT.
But I wouldn’t mind it if he did a deeper dive into the world of hybrids.
Thank you. I learned a lot about the differences and why the differences matter.
I learned something.
Mine are definitely highway.
What if I'm staying on the (country) highways?
Should I fork-out for All-terrain?
To me its all about do they clean out I got a 97 318 Dakota 4+4 285\75\16 Terra Storms cost $700 all way round mounted and balanced they clean out very good they're not noisy I live in Mississippi and I've only had to lock in 2 times in 5 months good video man
farmer in hawaii here, i use ko2's and they work a treat. 99.9999% of my truckie's life is on asphalt, usually towing something. some brief times are in a mix of mud and -worst of all - wet grass. mud terrain tires fall apart under working loads too easily. my field has a lot of buried metal bits and punctures were always an issue until i switched.
@@MrJedi5150 that is a lovely idea and i shall do so! aloha from hawaii! :)
Great review. Would Rugged Terrain tyres (RT) classify as the AT tyres you reviewed as "Real AT" tyres?
I ran the toyo MT and the falken at3w on my power wagon driving across the rockies from colorado to california in winter storms multiple times and honestly never noticed a difference. I pretty much only run toyo or nitto mts and have never once locked up in the rain. Also either of those brands I've experienced to be quieter than other brands ATs. I'm an MT guy.
*Ronny, the editing on your channel has noticeably improved* 👍
Agreed
I would include also the concrete/asphalt performance. Yes, it isnt main focus of offroading, but you have to get there somehow and in most cases, you travel on standard roads with apshalt or concerete highways where is the performance of offroad tires terrible in comparision to highway tires. Yes, yes I get it that highway tires wont get you to Mordor and back, but most people will face emergency braking while getting to outbacks while beeing on the highway or city. So some tips and facts about it wont hurt and might swing the opinion either way.
Except this... Great video! Really enjoyed it! Thank you :)
Awesome and outstanding content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
I am a big fan of having two full sets of tyres and rims you have to remove them after a muddy trip to clean 🧽them anyway so the work is half done so put road tyres back on and enjoy the ride and fuel saving till the next Adventure
You get 3 choices. RT's, Rough terrain. I've got radar RT's. Quiet, Cheaper than Muddies, good in the wet and dry, look amazing. Best of both worlds. I love them and will never buy any other tyre.
A mate of mine had a 60 series with lockers front and rear 12.5 x 33 tyres, my 60 had open center diffs and to prove a point I fitted light truck chees cutters to mine, we went away, through river crossings, mud bogs and huge rocky hills, I went every where he did and got to the same point on a steep rocky fire trail as he did. I have found the Kevlar Goodyear MTRs very good, never had a puncture with them. My favorite tyres were the Olympic steel trek tyres, 14 ply never a puncture, tuff as nails.