I was 25 when I did my DAS. Started on a 650, took it slow and took my time. Only reason I went straight to a 650 was because I didn’t want to get to comfortable on a 125 with the weight, power etc because I knew I’d treat a 650 the same as a 125 and I’d end up doing stuff I don’t want to do.
Yes, that's fair enough, but nowadays, younger riders don't have the DAS option and are unable ride larger capacity machines. They too can wait until they are 24 to start their motorcycling adventures if they so choose, but if they want to start riding, learning, having fun, gaining experience and having the independence and freedom of a powered two wheeler before then, they have to do so within the constraints of the licence tiers which is structured in a way that, if they take the progressive route and successfully pass the multiple tests required, they can actually gain an A licence at age 21. At some cost, and dedication, it has to be said and, somewhat sadly perhaps, it will drive many of them to just throw in the towel and get themselves a car licence. The nanny state this country has become doesn't like motorcycles very much, or indeed many avenues of fun at all.
No one taught most of us how to ride.... I started riding at about 10 years old and just got left to get on with it.... I did learn I don;t need to hit the indicator cancel every 20 seconds pretty quickly though...
:-) This is a tongue in cheek comment.......however......yeah you can tell you're self taught from the way you took the very first corner in this video, a right turn followed by another right turn back onto the tarmac....
ok, now my story. When I learned, 33 years ago, the only reason I got into biking is cos I failed my car test, had a job about 5 miles outside the town I was living in and one of the other fellas had a barn find (literally) Honda C70 moped that started 3rd kick and he only wanted £150 for. It was 3 weeks of daily commuting until I found out I had to do a CBT. The CBT fella went straight to the final road ride once he realised I'd been riding for a month and all the highway code stuff was fresh in my head from failing the car test....no problem. A few months later (July 1991) I took the full licence test, there was no A, A1, A2, whatever back then, just CBT and full test. Didn't even have the theory test in 1991. The test seemed innocuous to me, I remember the DVLA fella stopping behind me at one point and telling me to pull in within 3 bike lengths of a parked car, but he was so far back I remember thinking "He can't see how close I am" and gave myself a HUGE gap to pull out from behind this car. Now, to be fair, I did have a couple of mates who were both older than me and very into their bikes. However, since they were both a pair of hooligans, I'm not sure how useful any of the advice given was. I suppose I did learn to wheelie an RGV.... Since then.....never owned a car, haven't taken the car test again and have been through 18 bikes, mostly Kawasaki's. Never a green one though.
More bad advice given out to new riders. I'm pretty sure that the CBT is designed to stop riders with no experience killing themselves or others when they start on public roads. Your poor advice about using a scooter to cheat the system is mental, their first experience of controlling a geared motorcycle should be under instruction (protecting other road users as well as the new rider)
I am the same as brother, teaching myself how to ride was insane. Also mad asf buut I see you a couple days on commute home it’s so surreal seeing someone like yourself
No experience, no instructors, no lessons, no help.......no clue! You do you by all means but what makes you think you are qualified to give advice to new riders where their safety is at risk? Would you take medical advice from a self taught Doctor?
Agreed. I’ve seen quite a few of not just this guys videos, but other UA-camrs trying to give advice when they have no understanding of systems used by actual instructors. It’s actually counter productive and potentially dangerous. There’s a real rise of people who pass their tests and then feel qualified to give advice. It’s an instructors nightmare when students turn up to train and say ‘so I’ve been watching UA-cam’.
Passed CBT last week. I was going to get a 125 and practice, but decided stuff that! I'm 50 and used to cars that do 0 to 100mph in less than 10 seconds. A 125 would kill my mind. DAS booked. As soon as I'm passed, I'm going to get something I want, not something I'll hate very quickly.
I'd start with at least a 250.. something that can possibly do at least 60 MPH on the highway. A dual sport is indestructable, but those wierd tires are not good for learning at all. Keep it as a second/guest/grandson bike to learn on if you outgrow it.
@markhall3434 you must be joking. I'm going for something faster than my car. Looking at quarter mile times, even some midrange sports bikes aren't as quick as my car. When you're middle-aged, you don't waste time on low powered stuff.
@@alivekicking6247 go slowly dude, age doesn't matter, building experience on a bike on a lower cc is the way. Ofc go fast, go risky, each tot heir own.
@janwanderer7660 Thanks, but worry not, I always go easy. The bike I have in mind isn't even as fast as my car in all honesty. .. similar acceleration, but car tops out higher. And I drive like I'm driving Miss Daisy .... mostly
Thank you for your videos I've been watching them for 2 weeks, I've got my CBT on Monday 😬 I've never rode a motorbike this will be my 1st time. Do you have any tips for me please 🙏
'If you struggle riding motorcycles, don't do your compulsory basic training on a motorcycle.' It's been a long time since I've heard anything so stupid. If you struggle riding motorcycles basic training is exactly what you need!
The fact that you've never taken any training or instruction or learned anything much beyond what was required to pass the pretty basic DOT test is already evident in this footage. There's a lot more to becoming an accomplished and skilled motorcyclist/road user than just figuring out the mechanics of riding - coordinating throttle, brakes, gears etc. which is something pretty much any able bodied person can do. It's really not that hard. Riding and driving is not considered by most people who do it as a skill, but that's exactly what it is and how it should be viewed - not just something for which we simply gain a piece of paper that legally permits us to do it and that after that there is no more to be done. Uploading your opinions on the topic to the internet (and that's all this video really is) is fine but it doesn't make you a teacher and certainly no kind of authority. As you point out, there is a vast amount of motorcycle related content floating around out there nowadays but what you neglect to mention is that a very high percentage of it, particularly of the "instructional" variety is total garbage, full of erroneous proclamations by self anointed "experts" with zero accreditation of any kind, just as with pretty much everything on the internet. If the viewer is unable to distinguish the good from the bad, the correct from the incorrect, especially someone relatively new to motorcycling, that's more of a problem than a benefit. There are plenty of riders who have never passed more than a basic test of competence, (which is all that the UK DOT tests are, for both cars and motorcycles) yet feel their riding skills and roadcraft are beyond reproach and impossible to improve upon, yet, in my experience, most of them could not be more wrong. I've lost count, for example, of how many videos I've seen over the years claiming to teach motorcyclists how to "corner faster" and asserting that they will give you "secrets" and "skills" and a "surefire method" etc, etc. - and you know what? Virtually every single one of them are abject nonsense and many are just downright dangerous in terms of road application. For those who listen to them and try to emulate them, the likely results will be absolutely the opposite of what they think they have been "taught" and what has been claimed for them. Always beware of snake oil salesmen online. I'm sure if I were to look hard enough, there are probably videos instructing people how to pull out their own teeth, perform surgery on themselves, or turn lead into gold. There are certainly thousands of people giving financial and investment advice on social media from their bedrooms after their shift at McDonalds and I'm also sure I wouldn't be taking "advice" from any of these people either. Discernment is everything when it comes to the internet and sorting the wheat from the chaff can be challenging and exhausting. Considering the number of years you have now been riding it is patently obvious just how much you haven't learned as opposed to how much you have. Are you really in a position to to be giving any level of instruction to any rider, new or otherwise? How could you be, how could you even begin to know what to teach if, as you say, you've never received one iota of structured training yourself? I'm not suggesting that was the purpose of your video but to encourage others in the notion that they should disregard structured training and learning or that it is something that is unnecessary and not even remotely beneficial is, to be brutally honest, just plain ignorant and definitely without merit. "Don't worry about safety?" - really stellar advice for new riders right there. Perhaps, just maybe, if you'd been prepared to accept that people could have taught you, you wouldn't have had to experience the "fear" that you claim you did. Ever think of that? Yes, riding comes with risks and can be dangerous - that danger usually stems from lack of a particular set of skills, skills not related to simply making the bike go and stop. There is a whole lot more to it than the physical aspects of operating the bike and much of that, I would say is far more important if you are to enjoy a long, happy and safe life of riding. I don't say this to be deliberately unkind or critical, it's just factual based on your own words and your own riding, or at least what you showed of it in this video. I'm not saying you're either a good or a bad rider or even to assess your level of competence - to make such a cut and dried determination just based on this short video might be a little presumptuous and unfair on my part but as someone who has ridden hundreds of thousands of miles during the course of over 43 years and spent 35 of those as both a qualified DOT instructor and an advanced riding instructor, one who himself has also benefited from untold hours and countless thousands of miles of training and close scrutiny from some of the most highly trained and qualified riders in the world, trust me when I say, I do know what I'm looking at and precisely what I am looking for in order to assess a rider's skill levels on the road. What I will say is that your roadcraft needs a lot of work and could be greatly improved to your benefit and the benefit of those you share the roads with. To all riders who want to learn new skills and improve any aspects of their riding, if there is even one thing you feel you could perhaps be doing differently or something you feel you haven't mastered or that you would like to be able to do better I would urge you to seek out and undertake some training from a well established, tried and tested and accredited organization. Advanced rider training in the UK is readily available to anyone who cares enough to seek it out and doesn't have to be costly. I guarantee than any rider will learn something new and that it will improve their enjoyment, confidence and safety - often pretty drastically too. Whether you've been riding for years or have only recently gained a full licence, you can never learn too much, let alone enough, it's a constantly ongoing endeavour. The pursuit of excellence in any field is well worth it but it always takes dedication and effort - the first step is accepting that you don't know everything and are open to listening and learning in your quest for knowledge and desire to improve. UA-cam videos can only take you so far and are incomparable to practical, in person, one on one learning with the guidance of a properly qualified and experienced rider/instructor.
Have a drink every time he fiddles with the indicator switch. See who can make it through the video.
You can’t unsee it once you know 😂
LOL I do the same thing that's too funny
you really should get a bike with self cancelling indicators give your thumb a rest 😎😎🤣
The CBT isn't optional, even if you're doing the direct access scheme (as I just have), you still have to do the CBT (and theory of course)
I was 25 when I did my DAS. Started on a 650, took it slow and took my time. Only reason I went straight to a 650 was because I didn’t want to get to comfortable on a 125 with the weight, power etc because I knew I’d treat a 650 the same as a 125 and I’d end up doing stuff I don’t want to do.
Yes, that's fair enough, but nowadays, younger riders don't have the DAS option and are unable ride larger capacity machines. They too can wait until they are 24 to start their motorcycling adventures if they so choose, but if they want to start riding, learning, having fun, gaining experience and having the independence and freedom of a powered two wheeler before then, they have to do so within the constraints of the licence tiers which is structured in a way that, if they take the progressive route and successfully pass the multiple tests required, they can actually gain an A licence at age 21. At some cost, and dedication, it has to be said and, somewhat sadly perhaps, it will drive many of them to just throw in the towel and get themselves a car licence.
The nanny state this country has become doesn't like motorcycles very much, or indeed many avenues of fun at all.
Agree - do a CBT and then a 125, riding a bigger bike is much less daunting then.
Same, I’m 700 miles in, I do wanna take the msf course though, just need to wait until the course is available on the weekend cause of work…
No one taught most of us how to ride.... I started riding at about 10 years old and just got left to get on with it.... I did learn I don;t need to hit the indicator cancel every 20 seconds pretty quickly though...
:-) This is a tongue in cheek comment.......however......yeah you can tell you're self taught from the way you took the very first corner in this video, a right turn followed by another right turn back onto the tarmac....
ok, now my story. When I learned, 33 years ago, the only reason I got into biking is cos I failed my car test, had a job about 5 miles outside the town I was living in and one of the other fellas had a barn find (literally) Honda C70 moped that started 3rd kick and he only wanted £150 for. It was 3 weeks of daily commuting until I found out I had to do a CBT. The CBT fella went straight to the final road ride once he realised I'd been riding for a month and all the highway code stuff was fresh in my head from failing the car test....no problem.
A few months later (July 1991) I took the full licence test, there was no A, A1, A2, whatever back then, just CBT and full test. Didn't even have the theory test in 1991. The test seemed innocuous to me, I remember the DVLA fella stopping behind me at one point and telling me to pull in within 3 bike lengths of a parked car, but he was so far back I remember thinking "He can't see how close I am" and gave myself a HUGE gap to pull out from behind this car.
Now, to be fair, I did have a couple of mates who were both older than me and very into their bikes. However, since they were both a pair of hooligans, I'm not sure how useful any of the advice given was. I suppose I did learn to wheelie an RGV....
Since then.....never owned a car, haven't taken the car test again and have been through 18 bikes, mostly Kawasaki's. Never a green one though.
how would that prove he's self taught?
@@9_9_9editz It's a joke cos he messed the turn up and over ran.....like a noob.....but he's been riding for 15 years. How did you not get that?
Did you teach yourself how to drop your bike on the floor in a carpark at walking speed?
More bad advice given out to new riders. I'm pretty sure that the CBT is designed to stop riders with no experience killing themselves or others when they start on public roads. Your poor advice about using a scooter to cheat the system is mental, their first experience of controlling a geared motorcycle should be under instruction (protecting other road users as well as the new rider)
I am the same as brother, teaching myself how to ride was insane. Also mad asf buut I see you a couple days on commute home it’s so surreal seeing someone like yourself
No experience, no instructors, no lessons, no help.......no clue! You do you by all means but what makes you think you are qualified to give advice to new riders where their safety is at risk? Would you take medical advice from a self taught Doctor?
Totally agree 👍
Agreed. I’ve seen quite a few of not just this guys videos, but other UA-camrs trying to give advice when they have no understanding of systems used by actual instructors. It’s actually counter productive and potentially dangerous. There’s a real rise of people who pass their tests and then feel qualified to give advice. It’s an instructors nightmare when students turn up to train and say ‘so I’ve been watching UA-cam’.
Another great video, thank you .
Passed CBT last week.
I was going to get a 125 and practice, but decided stuff that! I'm 50 and used to cars that do 0 to 100mph in less than 10 seconds. A 125 would kill my mind.
DAS booked. As soon as I'm passed, I'm going to get something I want, not something I'll hate very quickly.
I'd start with at least a 250.. something that can possibly do at least 60 MPH on the highway. A dual sport is indestructable, but those wierd tires are not good for learning at all. Keep it as a second/guest/grandson bike to learn on if you outgrow it.
@markhall3434 you must be joking. I'm going for something faster than my car. Looking at quarter mile times, even some midrange sports bikes aren't as quick as my car.
When you're middle-aged, you don't waste time on low powered stuff.
@@alivekicking6247 go slowly dude, age doesn't matter, building experience on a bike on a lower cc is the way. Ofc go fast, go risky, each tot heir own.
@janwanderer7660 Thanks, but worry not, I always go easy. The bike I have in mind isn't even as fast as my car in all honesty. .. similar acceleration, but car tops out higher.
And I drive like I'm driving Miss Daisy .... mostly
I spent 30 minutes in a carpark with the owner of the little learner bike I had bought. It was 1988.
Thank you for your videos I've been watching them for 2 weeks, I've got my CBT on Monday 😬 I've never rode a motorbike this will be my 1st time. Do you have any tips for me please 🙏
I road dirt bikes and Atvs all manual at an early age. And bought my 1st road bike a Fz07 in 2018. No help at all just watching UA-cam videos
I always see in your video,around the right passenger foot peg,there is something which is looks like a "T key". Is that got stuck there ?
"So here's how I learned all by myself : first, I did my CBT". Made me laugh. Great video, though ✌
'If you struggle riding motorcycles, don't do your compulsory basic training on a motorcycle.' It's been a long time since I've heard anything so stupid. If you struggle riding motorcycles basic training is exactly what you need!
Wouldn't doing your CBT, they would of taught you the basics how to ride before you got on the road?
The fact that you've never taken any training or instruction or learned anything much beyond what was required to pass the pretty basic DOT test is already evident in this footage. There's a lot more to becoming an accomplished and skilled motorcyclist/road user than just figuring out the mechanics of riding - coordinating throttle, brakes, gears etc. which is something pretty much any able bodied person can do. It's really not that hard. Riding and driving is not considered by most people who do it as a skill, but that's exactly what it is and how it should be viewed - not just something for which we simply gain a piece of paper that legally permits us to do it and that after that there is no more to be done.
Uploading your opinions on the topic to the internet (and that's all this video really is) is fine but it doesn't make you a teacher and certainly no kind of authority. As you point out, there is a vast amount of motorcycle related content floating around out there nowadays but what you neglect to mention is that a very high percentage of it, particularly of the "instructional" variety is total garbage, full of erroneous proclamations by self anointed "experts" with zero accreditation of any kind, just as with pretty much everything on the internet. If the viewer is unable to distinguish the good from the bad, the correct from the incorrect, especially someone relatively new to motorcycling, that's more of a problem than a benefit. There are plenty of riders who have never passed more than a basic test of competence, (which is all that the UK DOT tests are, for both cars and motorcycles) yet feel their riding skills and roadcraft are beyond reproach and impossible to improve upon, yet, in my experience, most of them could not be more wrong. I've lost count, for example, of how many videos I've seen over the years claiming to teach motorcyclists how to "corner faster" and asserting that they will give you "secrets" and "skills" and a "surefire method" etc, etc. - and you know what? Virtually every single one of them are abject nonsense and many are just downright dangerous in terms of road application. For those who listen to them and try to emulate them, the likely results will be absolutely the opposite of what they think they have been "taught" and what has been claimed for them. Always beware of snake oil salesmen online.
I'm sure if I were to look hard enough, there are probably videos instructing people how to pull out their own teeth, perform surgery on themselves, or turn lead into gold. There are certainly thousands of people giving financial and investment advice on social media from their bedrooms after their shift at McDonalds and I'm also sure I wouldn't be taking "advice" from any of these people either. Discernment is everything when it comes to the internet and sorting the wheat from the chaff can be challenging and exhausting.
Considering the number of years you have now been riding it is patently obvious just how much you haven't learned as opposed to how much you have. Are you really in a position to to be giving any level of instruction to any rider, new or otherwise? How could you be, how could you even begin to know what to teach if, as you say, you've never received one iota of structured training yourself? I'm not suggesting that was the purpose of your video but to encourage others in the notion that they should disregard structured training and learning or that it is something that is unnecessary and not even remotely beneficial is, to be brutally honest, just plain ignorant and definitely without merit. "Don't worry about safety?" - really stellar advice for new riders right there. Perhaps, just maybe, if you'd been prepared to accept that people could have taught you, you wouldn't have had to experience the "fear" that you claim you did. Ever think of that? Yes, riding comes with risks and can be dangerous - that danger usually stems from lack of a particular set of skills, skills not related to simply making the bike go and stop. There is a whole lot more to it than the physical aspects of operating the bike and much of that, I would say is far more important if you are to enjoy a long, happy and safe life of riding.
I don't say this to be deliberately unkind or critical, it's just factual based on your own words and your own riding, or at least what you showed of it in this video. I'm not saying you're either a good or a bad rider or even to assess your level of competence - to make such a cut and dried determination just based on this short video might be a little presumptuous and unfair on my part but as someone who has ridden hundreds of thousands of miles during the course of over 43 years and spent 35 of those as both a qualified DOT instructor and an advanced riding instructor, one who himself has also benefited from untold hours and countless thousands of miles of training and close scrutiny from some of the most highly trained and qualified riders in the world, trust me when I say, I do know what I'm looking at and precisely what I am looking for in order to assess a rider's skill levels on the road. What I will say is that your roadcraft needs a lot of work and could be greatly improved to your benefit and the benefit of those you share the roads with.
To all riders who want to learn new skills and improve any aspects of their riding, if there is even one thing you feel you could perhaps be doing differently or something you feel you haven't mastered or that you would like to be able to do better I would urge you to seek out and undertake some training from a well established, tried and tested and accredited organization. Advanced rider training in the UK is readily available to anyone who cares enough to seek it out and doesn't have to be costly. I guarantee than any rider will learn something new and that it will improve their enjoyment, confidence and safety - often pretty drastically too. Whether you've been riding for years or have only recently gained a full licence, you can never learn too much, let alone enough, it's a constantly ongoing endeavour. The pursuit of excellence in any field is well worth it but it always takes dedication and effort - the first step is accepting that you don't know everything and are open to listening and learning in your quest for knowledge and desire to improve. UA-cam videos can only take you so far and are incomparable to practical, in person, one on one learning with the guidance of a properly qualified and experienced rider/instructor.
Explains a lot...
The license structure is such a scam
It's not...guess why there are less deaths than america