Yes it does. I’m an old-school man. I was also an Engineman in the Navy. Worked on Detroit 6-71 or 12V71 and that’s what they run is a roots style blower
Yes it does. I’m an old-school man. I was also an Engineman in the Navy. Worked on Detroit 6-71 or 12V71 and that’s what they run is a roots style blower
Also, thank you for calling it an engine it is not a fucking motor my biggest pet peeve in life the electric motor starts the gasoline engine or diesel engine. You sound so uneducated when you call it a motor can you understand where I’m coming from? Thank you for calling it an engine
Blower is in reference to what it actually did, when it was installed on a Detroit diesel, it was a scavenge blower, that pushed out exhaust gasses, when the intake port was uncovered.
@@robertolerota4234 NO, I'm 100% right, because it was always a blower, and it's appearance on a diesel 2 stroke didn't change it's name, or description. The moniker stuck. When people started putting them on 4 stroke engines, the name stuck. I'm aware that Roots made them for steel making blast furnaces, and it was patented in 1860, ten years after your claim. Did you know that they are also used as vacuum pumps because they are just positive displacement air pumps ?
Technically the twin screw(like a Magnuson) as compared to Roots style is the fact that Roots merely pushes more air into the engine(boost is caused only by the restriction of the valve train and intake), and the twin screw actually compresses the air before it enters the engine.
They are both positive displacement pumps... they operate the exact same with different rotor design. (screw being more efficient) pressure is a measure of resistance to flow in anything. I'm not sure what you are on about.
@@peter15847 you are correct in the restriction to flow creating pressure however your assertion is not true concerning the two different styles of supercharger. With the twin screw Magnusson style and Whipple supercharger systems they consist of a screw shape instead of same diameter rotors which while forcing air in, do so by using a screw shaped rotor in a housing that takes a larger air charge and then turns it down in a front to back arrangement where the front of the rotor is a larger diameter and the back is significantly smaller. These rotors actually pull and compress the air before it's inlet to the intake. Let me be more plain, with a Roots style twin rotor(they're actually exactly opposite twins) they are open from above for the air inlet and force air directly downward from a much larger inlet plenum. With a Whipple or Magnusson supercharger the air inlet is smaller and positioned where the greater diameter of the actual screw looking rotors meet it(normally front facing). The air is then pushed in(due to the lower pressure the spinning screw rotors create) and in turn compressed by the air coming in behind it into a smaller outlet which feeds actually compressed significantly hotter air into the engine. There is absolutely a difference friend. You may want to read more🤔😏
@@RollingRigTraction Again, i'm not sure what you are on about. Compressing A given volume of air will have the same latent energy (without after treatment) regardless of method of compression. You can be as plain as you would like a compressor is not (pulling and compressing the air before it's inlet to the intake), as your stated. A pump is a pump is a pump... air in, air out.
@@peter15847 you need to delve deeper into the "screw type" chargers. Nothing you speak of has any merit in the actual design of the differences. Go to school dude.
Twins screw sc's have different rotors compared to roots style. Roots (usually stock/oem)has like lobes where twin screw (more modern/upgraded like whipple VMP etc) has multiple threads like screws held parallel thus making more efficient boost and tons of other pros for using twin screw. Just think twin screw as being more efficient vs roots style.
@@NSA-adminprobably just cheaper for their builds. The twin screw is just a better supercharger than the older root style. But the small advantage has a large cost, probably just not worth it to them or their application.
That Magnuson is technically a TVS which actually shares more in common with a roots (the difference between them being lobe count and twist ratio) style than a screw type like a Kenne Bell or Whipple that has a male and female rotor and generally more lobes. It has nothing to do with where the ambient air intake is.
All air compression devices for engines are superchargers. Turbos/turbochargers were turbo superchargers originally. As turbocharger became more popular (and then turbo) the term supercharger stuck with the old school blower style compressor. Then there's the difference between screws and turbine belt/chain driven superchargers.
and the "turbo" part came from the fact that it is a literal miniature turbine, that like any larger turbine, requires high pressure gas to flow through for it to generate power, whereas a supercharger is essentially an air compressor stuck onto the intake, which is why it creates parasitic load, whereas a turbo uses otherwise wasted energy in the exhaust.
If it's equipped on a gasoline engine, it's only a supercharger. A blower was only equipped on old school 2 stroke diesels. For that specific purpose to blow out exhaust gasses.
Use the hood as a mold, to make a carbon version Or find a scrap hood that you could cut the skin and use the bottom for rigidity in make a carbon fiber top and panel Bond it to make a custom hood and put the other one away
A roots supercharger is still a twin screw, a roots style has a specific profile to improve efficiency. You do have a different type with a centrifugal supercharger, which operates with a belt driven "fan", it looks like the compressor side of a turbocharger driven by a belt. They are not positive displacement like screw type superchargers.
"Old school" Roots Blowers were for carbureted engines. Newer screw type Superchargers are what is used today for non-carbureted (fuel injected) engines. That's the difference to me.
Watching an episode of banks engineering and the screw type supercharger yeah other good thing about it is it produces 60 I think it was 60% less heat at the same boost level. Go watch killing a Duramax Gail Banks switch from a 671 blower to a I believe it was an Eaton supercharger, same psi, boost way less heat, and it Use way less horsepower to drive the supercharger, the screw type than the roots type
Supercharger blower Huffer or stuffer are all terms used for superchargers and they can be used for all superchargers whether that be a root supercharger, A twin screw supercharger, or a centrifugal supercharger. They are all blowers. If you ask nice I'll even tell you what a digger is
A good example would be that the 289 Studebaker was available with a blower just like the Pontiac gtp, zl1 and zr1 hellcats and demons all come with blowers
Unless that's a Whipple its not a twin screw it is also a roots "blower" supercharger. You showed 2 of the same type of superchargers but they are different sizes and brands
Whipple isn't the only company but any blower that's running Eaton roaters is a roots and this dude in the video has no idea the difference between roots and twin screw
Let me correct you sir, a blower is a supercharger, different type vs a Serpentine supercharger, a blower sets on top of the engine where a serpentine swts to the side of the engine.
I’m used to working on turbos so forgive my dumb question but for the roots style with the blower sticking out of the hood… are those strictly for NON-EFI engines and only carbureted engines have those out of the hood style? Or do EFI motors also accept that old school style with the big belts driving it and the flaps opening when you rev? Again man, I’m strictly used to wrenching on 4 & 5 cylinder turbo Audis so I’ll be the first to admit that I got no clue how older v8s work with forced induction. But I’m getting a 66 mustang coupe that has been in the family since new & would enjoy bringing it back to its glory days and the blown mustangs from then just look too good not to tempt me to buy everything and start building 😂😂
@HoldenBTench for the most part a stock blower on efi engines are under the hood, WITH that being said some aftermarket blowers do stick out the hood, and you can do aftermarket fuel injection systems on them
You got it a little wrong bud..im running a kong 2650 thats a roots blower and air goes in the front just like a twin screw..where the air goes in has nothing to do with where the air goes in the blower
You got that part correct? But it is not a motor that the blower is putting Aaron to it’s an engine the motor starts the engine starter motor get it right you sound uneducated or ignorant
Wow, you tripped up off rip with confidence. A blower(roots style) isn't a supercharger or the old school name for a supercharger. A blower is a positive displacement pump it just moves air it doesn't really generate boost. Then superchargers came along and people also started mistakenly calling those blowers. Superchargers/Turbochargers at the time were just superturbochargers until they spun off to differentiate mechanically driven and exhaust driven. You'll find all this media that covers WWII era aircraft.
Positive displacement pumps 100% do build pressure. that's the whole advantage of them. You are arguing semantics (arguably incorrectly) when everyone knows what is being discussed even if it's slang.
@@cbrunnem6102 Mass flow rate of a positive displacement pump is constant, 0 compression occurs. Regardless of whatever pressure is doing it moves the same volume of mass that is the advantage. Supercharger actually compress the air, increasing air density which a blower does not do.
@ExileXCross a roots or screw style super charger is a positive displacement pump. look it up. positive displacement pumps can compress air. go look up a rotary vane pump as another example of a positive displacement pump that compressed air.
Yeah...just to be clear , that is an ENGINE , Not a MOTOR. that is not electric. Wiper has a motor , Heater has a motor. yeahhh , because they're ELECTRIC and not Piston driven.
@@cbrunnem6102 Who am i ?? Hmm well the guy that knows the proper term for what an Engine is and what a motor is. Very simple. Motor is powered buy Electricity , an Engine is Gasoline & Diesel . That's like calling Concrete , Cement. it's not the same. You people need to educate yourself instead of getting all butt-hurt because you do not understand the difference. Stay salty my friend.
This is wrong. You showed a twin screw, and called it a roots, as far as I could tell from the rotors. The difference between a roots and a twin screw is not that the air comes in from the top or the front. The difference between them is actually the shape of the rotor. The roots has a rotor with lobes and a very high pitch between the lobes. A twin screw has narrower peaks instead of lobes, and has a much lower "thread' pitch, they look like screws.
Well actually no blowers are low pressure animals super chargers are higher pressures. What you called a roots blower is actually a twin screw as we can see when you show us down in it. You have two twin screw supercharged cars no roots. Roots are an older design yes and not very good at moving air at real pressure without making a ton of heat. The line on the pressure is basically 1bar or 14.7psi the tolerances are different and seals too but you can even have a twin screw blower ie a twin-screw design but for low pressures ( 5-10psi) normally on diesels. Cool stuff but stop trying to educate others when you havent gotten a good enough education on the subject yourself. All this being said even the best twin-screw sc have their limits getting past 45psi is really their limit if they can take the rpm before the charge is so hot its moving less air and thats why today turbos are used for that
Blower is just slang for any sort of spinny booster . I respect your trying but you need to do more research before trying to help others. Your not wrong but your also not correct.
speedmaster is a unethical company which steals designs from smaller companies and out prices them with worse quality retaining the original name. Broader performance had has valve body design stolen and resold by speedmaster and still had broader performance milled into the part. The part was improperly made and failed and someone tried to rma through the broader performance web site clearly thinking they bought a genuine item. This ruins the reputation and livelihood of the smaller company.
The engine looks ALOT SEXIER with that Blower on there.
Indeed
Yes it does. I’m an old-school man. I was also an Engineman in the Navy. Worked on Detroit 6-71 or 12V71 and that’s what they run is a roots style blower
Yes it does. I’m an old-school man. I was also an Engineman in the Navy. Worked on Detroit 6-71 or 12V71 and that’s what they run is a roots style blower
Also, thank you for calling it an engine it is not a fucking motor my biggest pet peeve in life the electric motor starts the gasoline engine or diesel engine. You sound so uneducated when you call it a motor can you understand where I’m coming from? Thank you for calling it an engine
Blower is in reference to what it actually did, when it was installed on a Detroit diesel, it was a scavenge blower, that pushed out exhaust gasses, when the intake port was uncovered.
I mean you're half right. But the blower comes from coal mine ventilation from 1850. Later, adapted to an engine
@@robertolerota4234 NO, I'm 100% right, because it was always a blower, and it's appearance on a diesel 2 stroke didn't change it's name, or description. The moniker stuck. When people started putting them on 4 stroke engines, the name stuck. I'm aware that Roots made them for steel making blast furnaces, and it was patented in 1860, ten years after your claim. Did you know that they are also used as vacuum pumps because they are just
positive displacement air pumps ?
@jamesgeorge4874 yeah you're wrong
@@robertolerota4234 yeah, you're ignorant. Feel free to do some research. Oh, wait, _that's why you're butthurt_ !!! Happy 4th, big brain !
Blower is term for older roots style. Super charger is all styles
Technically the twin screw(like a Magnuson) as compared to Roots style is the fact that Roots merely pushes more air into the engine(boost is caused only by the restriction of the valve train and intake), and the twin screw actually compresses the air before it enters the engine.
Famtastic explanation. Spot on amd simple.
They are both positive displacement pumps... they operate the exact same with different rotor design. (screw being more efficient) pressure is a measure of resistance to flow in anything. I'm not sure what you are on about.
@@peter15847 you are correct in the restriction to flow creating pressure however your assertion is not true concerning the two different styles of supercharger. With the twin screw Magnusson style and Whipple supercharger systems they consist of a screw shape instead of same diameter rotors which while forcing air in, do so by using a screw shaped rotor in a housing that takes a larger air charge and then turns it down in a front to back arrangement where the front of the rotor is a larger diameter and the back is significantly smaller. These rotors actually pull and compress the air before it's inlet to the intake. Let me be more plain, with a Roots style twin rotor(they're actually exactly opposite twins) they are open from above for the air inlet and force air directly downward from a much larger inlet plenum. With a Whipple or Magnusson supercharger the air inlet is smaller and positioned where the greater diameter of the actual screw looking rotors meet it(normally front facing). The air is then pushed in(due to the lower pressure the spinning screw rotors create) and in turn compressed by the air coming in behind it into a smaller outlet which feeds actually compressed significantly hotter air into the engine. There is absolutely a difference friend. You may want to read more🤔😏
@@RollingRigTraction Again, i'm not sure what you are on about. Compressing A given volume of air will have the same latent energy (without after treatment) regardless of method of compression. You can be as plain as you would like a compressor is not (pulling and compressing the air before it's inlet to the intake), as your stated. A pump is a pump is a pump... air in, air out.
@@peter15847 you need to delve deeper into the "screw type" chargers. Nothing you speak of has any merit in the actual design of the differences. Go to school dude.
Twins screw sc's have different rotors compared to roots style. Roots (usually stock/oem)has like lobes where twin screw (more modern/upgraded like whipple VMP etc) has multiple threads like screws held parallel thus making more efficient boost and tons of other pros for using twin screw. Just think twin screw as being more efficient vs roots style.
Why do all the pro burnout aussie cars use blowers rather than a screw style supercharger? That's what I really wanna know.
@@NSA-adminprobably just cheaper for their builds. The twin screw is just a better supercharger than the older root style. But the small advantage has a large cost, probably just not worth it to them or their application.
@@Luxcidy aaah ok. Plus they look sick and looks is kinda part of the competition. Also maybe extra weight up front helps
That Magnuson is technically a TVS which actually shares more in common with a roots (the difference between them being lobe count and twist ratio) style than a screw type like a Kenne Bell or Whipple that has a male and female rotor and generally more lobes. It has nothing to do with where the ambient air intake is.
All air compression devices for engines are superchargers. Turbos/turbochargers were turbo superchargers originally. As turbocharger became more popular (and then turbo) the term supercharger stuck with the old school blower style compressor. Then there's the difference between screws and turbine belt/chain driven superchargers.
and the "turbo" part came from the fact that it is a literal miniature turbine, that like any larger turbine, requires high pressure gas to flow through for it to generate power, whereas a supercharger is essentially an air compressor stuck onto the intake, which is why it creates parasitic load, whereas a turbo uses otherwise wasted energy in the exhaust.
Same same but different lol 😆 The interview
I heard somewhere that a blower was a device first used to supply air to feed into a metal smelting furnace
If it's equipped on a gasoline engine, it's only a supercharger. A blower was only equipped on old school 2 stroke diesels. For that specific purpose to blow out exhaust gasses.
That engine looks it is coming along nicely I wonder how much power she is making
You forgot to talk about centrifugal superchargers , the 3rd type
There's also the scroll type as seen on VW G60 engines from the 90s.
Pro charger baby
I KNEW you were gonna fumble the real reason they call it a blower before you said it. 😂
Also roots vs twin screw the lobe design is very different and twin screws are much more efficient with minimal loss
Use the hood as a mold, to make a carbon version Or find a scrap hood that you could cut the skin and use the bottom for rigidity in make a carbon fiber top and panel Bond it to make a custom hood and put the other one away
A roots supercharger is still a twin screw, a roots style has a specific profile to improve efficiency.
You do have a different type with a centrifugal supercharger, which operates with a belt driven "fan", it looks like the compressor side of a turbocharger driven by a belt. They are not positive displacement like screw type superchargers.
Now would you want your carburetters before or after the blower?
Homie straight forgot about centrifugal superchargers. He probably thinks they’re a turbo. 🤡
This dude is a clown he has a centrifugal supercharger he calls a "belt driven turbo" 🤡🤡🤡
I may be wrong but that looks like a 6-71 on an 8-71 intake
the blower feels the best
What can I add to a 2014 W212 to make it more powerful?😢
What about centrifugal superchargers
Twin screw is also more efficient making power in relation to the it’s parasitic loss.
"Old school" Roots Blowers were for carbureted engines. Newer screw type Superchargers are what is used today for non-carbureted (fuel injected) engines. That's the difference to me.
so basically the diference is are you running it carburated or EFI?
Procharger because I like my drivetrain intact
What about a Centrifugal supercharger
Watching an episode of banks engineering and the screw type supercharger yeah other good thing about it is it produces 60 I think it was 60% less heat at the same boost level. Go watch killing a Duramax Gail Banks switch from a 671 blower to a I believe it was an Eaton supercharger, same psi, boost way less heat, and it Use way less horsepower to drive the supercharger, the screw type than the roots type
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A blower is Jenny from down the block and a super charger is where tesla charge lmao
Hopefully she keeps it all in her mouth and doesn’t spit 😂
Y u no do centrifugal superchargered
Hey do you live in florida im asking because i saw a all black Corvette that looks just like your on the highway
Doesn't have to be driven by a belt. There are gear drives as well.
Supercharger blower Huffer or stuffer are all terms used for superchargers and they can be used for all superchargers whether that be a root supercharger, A twin screw supercharger, or a centrifugal supercharger. They are all blowers. If you ask nice I'll even tell you what a digger is
A good example would be that the 289 Studebaker was available with a blower just like the Pontiac gtp, zl1 and zr1 hellcats and demons all come with blowers
The biggest question is are you building a "sleeper" or a "in-your-face" engine! One you need to cut a hole in the hood... The other one you don't! 🤣
not gonna sleep on - The Interview reference
Unless that's a Whipple its not a twin screw it is also a roots "blower" supercharger. You showed 2 of the same type of superchargers but they are different sizes and brands
There are other brands of directly crank driven twin screws than just Whipple.
Whipple isn't the only company but any blower that's running Eaton roaters is a roots and this dude in the video has no idea the difference between roots and twin screw
Kenne Belle is the only other I can think of. Who are the other companies who make screw blowers
I just want that mad max typa shit
It’s compression vs scavenged. Both push air in, but the way it does it is very different.
Still petitioning for you to buy a giant cowl hood for your car
You missed the centrifugal style supercharger 🤔
Let me correct you sir, a blower is a supercharger, different type vs a Serpentine supercharger, a blower sets on top of the engine where a serpentine swts to the side of the engine.
I’m used to working on turbos so forgive my dumb question but for the roots style with the blower sticking out of the hood… are those strictly for NON-EFI engines and only carbureted engines have those out of the hood style? Or do EFI motors also accept that old school style with the big belts driving it and the flaps opening when you rev? Again man, I’m strictly used to wrenching on 4 & 5 cylinder turbo Audis so I’ll be the first to admit that I got no clue how older v8s work with forced induction. But I’m getting a 66 mustang coupe that has been in the family since new & would enjoy bringing it back to its glory days and the blown mustangs from then just look too good not to tempt me to buy everything and start building 😂😂
@HoldenBTench for the most part a stock blower on efi engines are under the hood, WITH that being said some aftermarket blowers do stick out the hood, and you can do aftermarket fuel injection systems on them
Ignorance is temporary, stupid is forever
Same same but different. But still same.
Well you left out the ole tried and true centrifugal superchargers
You forgot the Centrifugal
ill take a Weiand 8-71 anyday
There is a third type
Alot of old school blowers were just robbed off of detriot diesel engines.
What a waste of time I can’t believe I got lied to difference between the two is the pitch of the blades of the rotor
And 1 spins towards each other and the other spins away from each other
Blower is the slang name for a supercharger
There’s a 🐌 hiding down there
No way, are you supercharging that Camaro that you had everybody freaking out about cause you were gonna cut a hole in the hood?
Faze Rug
You got it a little wrong bud..im running a kong 2650 thats a roots blower and air goes in the front just like a twin screw..where the air goes in has nothing to do with where the air goes in the blower
There are actually 3 types of superchargers. You forgot centrifugal.
Don’t forget a pro charger
Procharger is a brand
@@LadyMaria_AstralClocktower oh thanks for clarifying I thought it was a type of supercharger
@@SofiaSclafani people often refer to centrifugal superchargers as prochargers though, it's a relatively common mistake
You forgot centrifugal
They're the same thing,a pro charger and turbo are different....
You missed a third supercharger
You guys wanna know the difference?… yeah me too,
U forgot centrifugal supercharger
You got that part correct? But it is not a motor that the blower is putting Aaron to it’s an engine the motor starts the engine starter motor get it right you sound uneducated or ignorant
Where the centrifugal supercharger
This was a terrible explanation of twin-screw vs roots.
Oh boy……
Supercharger is literally the older term. Blower is newer.
No
Wow, you tripped up off rip with confidence. A blower(roots style) isn't a supercharger or the old school name for a supercharger. A blower is a positive displacement pump it just moves air it doesn't really generate boost. Then superchargers came along and people also started mistakenly calling those blowers.
Superchargers/Turbochargers at the time were just superturbochargers until they spun off to differentiate mechanically driven and exhaust driven.
You'll find all this media that covers WWII era aircraft.
Positive displacement pumps 100% do build pressure. that's the whole advantage of them. You are arguing semantics (arguably incorrectly) when everyone knows what is being discussed even if it's slang.
@@cbrunnem6102 Mass flow rate of a positive displacement pump is constant, 0 compression occurs. Regardless of whatever pressure is doing it moves the same volume of mass that is the advantage. Supercharger actually compress the air, increasing air density which a blower does not do.
@ExileXCross a roots or screw style super charger is a positive displacement pump. look it up. positive displacement pumps can compress air. go look up a rotary vane pump as another example of a positive displacement pump that compressed air.
Faze rug??????
Grossly incorrect explanation….
Yeah...just to be clear , that is an ENGINE , Not a MOTOR. that is not electric.
Wiper has a motor , Heater has a motor. yeahhh , because they're ELECTRIC and not Piston driven.
Who cares for $1000, Alex. racecar drivers get that wrong all the time I guess. where you at to correct them?
@@cbrunnem6102 Who am i ?? Hmm well the guy that knows the proper term for what an Engine is and what a motor is.
Very simple. Motor is powered buy Electricity , an Engine is Gasoline & Diesel .
That's like calling Concrete , Cement. it's not the same.
You people need to educate yourself instead of getting all butt-hurt because you do not understand the difference.
Stay salty my friend.
@@TowMater603what about motorbikes and motor racing?
@@evilflow7359 'motorsports' too
Bro forgot there's a thing called "accents"😂😂
@@yoslauda4714 Can’t forget about “motoring.” This guy is gonna flip when he finds out what it says on the oil bottle and in the dictionary.
This is wrong. You showed a twin screw, and called it a roots, as far as I could tell from the rotors. The difference between a roots and a twin screw is not that the air comes in from the top or the front. The difference between them is actually the shape of the rotor. The roots has a rotor with lobes and a very high pitch between the lobes. A twin screw has narrower peaks instead of lobes, and has a much lower "thread' pitch, they look like screws.
Well actually no blowers are low pressure animals super chargers are higher pressures. What you called a roots blower is actually a twin screw as we can see when you show us down in it. You have two twin screw supercharged cars no roots. Roots are an older design yes and not very good at moving air at real pressure without making a ton of heat. The line on the pressure is basically 1bar or 14.7psi the tolerances are different and seals too but you can even have a twin screw blower ie a twin-screw design but for low pressures ( 5-10psi) normally on diesels. Cool stuff but stop trying to educate others when you havent gotten a good enough education on the subject yourself. All this being said even the best twin-screw sc have their limits getting past 45psi is really their limit if they can take the rpm before the charge is so hot its moving less air and thats why today turbos are used for that
Terrible explanation 😂
Blower is just slang for any sort of spinny booster . I respect your trying but you need to do more research before trying to help others. Your not wrong but your also not correct.
You contradicted yourself
Then what is a centrifugal like a Paxton ? A super blower? This video is rediculous.
speedmaster is a unethical company which steals designs from smaller companies and out prices them with worse quality retaining the original name. Broader performance had has valve body design stolen and resold by speedmaster and still had broader performance milled into the part. The part was improperly made and failed and someone tried to rma through the broader performance web site clearly thinking they bought a genuine item. This ruins the reputation and livelihood of the smaller company.
This could quite possibly have been the worst explanation I ever ever seen
Speedmaster blower😂 garbage