@@veto8792 I think Ted Nugent would side on James constitutional right to free speech- maybe even applaud him for it. Being a Nugent fan one would think you’d also applaud James’ exercise of his rights. Plus he’s not wrong, could’ve said much worse and still not be wrong lol.
These collabs are freackin amazing they need to do more because we like it and we need more of this stupidity.. There are plenty to good youtobers choose from : Rich-rebuilds, Samcrac, Tavarish, etc..
@@sienile When someone said it just briefly made 1Psi of boost, guessing they had maybe a digital guage from an ECU or something... if it's not running pressure, it's probably restricting the intake like hell. I think being sat in that car, you would feel how bad it was pulling away no matter what the sound was like lol. Reminds me of those whistle exhausts that were a thing for some reason lol
@@charlesfriend9557 yeah sounds like they installed it backwards too, would like to see if the job was just ruined by incompetence 🤣🤣🤣🤣😉👌 no harm in admitting y’all messed up guys gotta lose the pride 🤣👏
At first I thought, wow, that's actually surprisingly great, for a supercharger from Wish, +46 horsepower. Then realised that was the total... So funny
Part of me wants it to be on backwards so when turned round it does actually make some power! Why not (even if it's not right) turn it around & see how it goes?😁👍🏻
Yeah, I there is something not right. Either hey have it going the wrong direction or it need oil put in it. They cant ship any engines from China with oil in them, so probably the same for this. It's not a complicated device and for any engine factory to produce, and there a hell of a lot of engine manufacturing in China. I have seen issues with their stuff for using crap materials as well.
Lol, as soon as it started I thought to myself "that is the sound of pure pot metal on pot metal friction". Between the noise, the way it would die when you clutch in, and the fact it robbed about half of the power...but, I'd like to think that the boys checked before hand
A youtuber "JoniK" actually has had this supercharger (or something similar. It was "Aisin AMR500" too so i think it's pretty much the same) in his fiat punto. It worked pretty well to be honest.
wasn't tuned at all for positive pressure. Probably had all sorts of vacuum and boost leaks. Clearly wasn't oiled properly at all... not to mention this style of blower is used for moving large volumes of air to cool down industrial equipment. They are supposed to be driven by a large electric motor.
Ethan when he saw that it made 46hp laughed but then went to thinking mode wondering why it didn't work. I'm sure he could figure it out with more time. Hell he hit 15psi on his barbie jeep with it. That dude could seriously make a potato into a super charger he's a wizard.
The supercharger needs a smaller pulley to keep up with the airflow a 2l engine needs. It didn’t build any boost because the engine was using more than the supercharger produced
@@renzokata it makes no boost... All that noise you hear is meshing.. this creates HUGE friction.. with friction you lose power.. that's why it kept shutting off... Don't consider this.. you giving your money away
I have a true amr500 on my vw bug and it added about 30hp to the stock 60hp. The wish ones are knockoffs and the lobes delaminate. They are internally oiled and usually shipped empty. Also on a fuel injected car, you need a bypass valve between the supercharger and throttle body.
@@tjcochran4641 no way they put oil on it. That sounded exactly like a drill press drilling through a block of aluminum with no lubrication. They probably lost all that power because the internals of the supercharger were shredded and blocked the airflow. We'll never know for sure though I guess.
"when your unoiled supercharger fights for its life to make boost" plenty of people here have it and says it works fine if done right (and having oil in it)
The amr500 was originally designed for a British car like a mini or something like that. However, it's currently usually used on old-school air-cooled VW bugs and buses with alot of success.
Man, that supercharger sounded like it needed some oil or something. Would explain it getting quieter over time, as the insides started to grind down. Would also explain the loss of hp as the engine is working to grind that metal down. Would like to see the insides of it!
Haha love this! So i’m going to share the secrets of the amr500. You must run a recirculate valve before TB for this to work. Right now amr500 is controlling 100% of measured air flow at idle. vacuum will hold it open at idle and allow pressure to relieve, once you leave vacuum it will close and allow boost. They can’t/won’t work otherwise unless you mount the TB before the amr500 👊
@@CopperheadGarage Ya, i’m a motorsports channel. I don’t want to be that guy who posts a link in comments but ran an amr500 in summer of 20’ if you want to check my library
I owned a 96 Cabrio back in the early 00's ,loved that little thing . My friends called it the roller skate ,it made tons of road trips on pennies in gas . It was many things , but fast was not one
@@desertsasquatchxploration1568 they didnt give it a tune so its just working harder to compress more air (both in the supercharger and the compression stroke) with no more fuel - hence much less power.
My dad used to own golf 3 GTI 3 times in a row he absolutely loved those things back then just hittin lil over 300hp and then just a sport exhaust that’s all u needed back in the day. Great Memories!
@@DoubleSmackJacksSmackAttack I’ve seen other people do that but I plan to install it where the charcoal canister sits so I could run a intercooler through a hood scoop
Boosted boys did that and it’s still on UA-cam! The three cylinder carbureted geo. But I think it was stock ecu and stuff. They tried to do it absolutely dirt cheap
You guys have gotta have them back to install a bypass valve and get it tuned right! As it is that supercharger is generating tons of heat and drag on the engine because it's trying to pump the volume behind the throttle plate up to pressure! A bypass valve will allow the supercharger to free wheel when off the throttle. Replicate how centrifugal supercharger installs work.
A bypass valve allowing the supercharger to free wheel when the throttle is off... even though it never makes any significant amount of boost, and then when the throttle is on... that valve will still be flowing backwards because it pumps less air than the motor sucks at W.O.T. Hahahaha. What the hell is a bypass valve going to help with?
@@Hezath Haha true. With the right pulley it might make some boost down low. I hear the VWs have some success with em, those motors don't breathe amazing. But yeah I'm on the same page. The same money/effort spent on a junkyard 3800 supercharger would make it an absolute tire fryer.
It's not the supercharger's fault, you were spinning it too slow. Amr500 makes 500cc of air every revolution but the 2.0 engine takes 1000cc of air every revolution so to even keep up, the supercharger needs to spin twice as much as the engine. To make some boost it has to spin even faster. Try smaller pulley
have you seen the pulley they put on? they took it off a generator. off the top of my head i'd estimate the crank pulley to be easily 2,5* the size. of course you're not wrong, i just think the problem is the stock fuel delivery system and the completely nonexistent optimization that's to blame here
@@craigwiess1656 you need some way of connecting it to your accessory drive, do the math for drive speed, draw carburetor through works but they don’t they don’t live long blow through is an option to but might need a intercooler the like to get hot, efi works too. I would look for a company that sells ones made for bugs because the machine them and run seals that live with blow through, honestly I would go with a cooper S supercharger they will support 200+ hp
@@turkeyboyjh1 years ago there was a supercharger kit for the 4cyl Wings. Magnuson, I think was the brand. After I get a newer Wing may play with the 1200.
Just wanted to say that James is looking really healthy and slim in this video. I'm glad you improved your life and living healthier since your medical emergency ✌&❤ James
I’ve never been this hyped for a donut vid for a while. Within the first 5 seconds, I saw the biggest mash up of UA-camrs ever, and a supercharger! Heck yeah!
It's designed for a tiny gokart engine with like 0.6L of airflow. It couldn't supply enough air to the engine and was actually restricting airflow rather than forcing induction.
Fantastic collaboration, couldn't have picked a better crew to hook this up, can you guys please get Da Caprio a real baby supercharger now though? We need to see what that is like, for science. 😂
@@Obsidian319 those barbie boys had no clue what they doing. wrong ratio on pulleys to start with.. if something makes a sound like that,you take it off and look inside to see whats wrong. even apple and NASA cant make every bolt perfect so how could some chinese sweatshop? that sound could have even come from the belt grinding on something or just a loose bolt in the blower lol
like other comments have said, they didn't take a lot of things into consideration, this needs another go around. it killing half your stock hp should be a sign they fucked up.
@@battleaxe4784 Its hard to know what effect this really had without a tune, a supercharger always robs power - you add it back with fuel allowed by the extra air. 40HP isnt really a lot of parasitic loss for a supercharger.
@@riskvlogs4795 yes i'm not sure if it would work the same as two turbo's basically one turbo is the nose (getting all the air in and filtering it) and the other is the mouth (which spits out all the waste bad air) idk i'm not a pro so I wouldn't know
By far the best video you guys have made to date. I don’t think I’ve laughed as hard as I did to any of your other videos before. Thanks! Can’t wait to see what’s next for Leo DaCabrio
I have a 96 cabrio highline that I scored for a whopping $57.00!!!! And I cannot wait to start messing with it lol. Good to see the Donut guys sharing the love for the cabrio
Imagine hearing this and looking outside being excited thinking it's a f1 car but you find out that it is an ordinary car, you'd be really disappointed.
Have used one of these ebay/wish things, you might have it facing the wrong way. It will make around 10-12psi just fine, make sure it's oiled, have heard a lot of these come dry. You should see 30-40hp gain.
Did the same thing with my mk3 Golf. Started with a genuine AMR500, but it actually restricts flow and lost power. It will not flow enough to feed the 2lt motor. Went with the SC14 and it made a hell of a lot of difference. Boost came on strong. Fitted a switch to the throttle body so the SC was off during idle.
Its not unusual for a supercharger to take 40HP to run in compression and mechanical losses. Normally you add a heap of fuel to make up for the loss so its hard to know what effect this actually had
The fact it was making literally no boost was a giveaway too. Also the fact that it died if you didn't keep the throttle open, it was causing vacuum pull on the throttle body. That's also a tiny ass supercharger, I could see maybe a 20hp drain from it but 40?. Nah. It also was smoking pretty heavy, although it kinda looked blue (which would be oil) it could have been running super rich trying to compensate for the lack of air.
That’s a twin screw you’re thinking of (which is ironical named since they’re actually not twin screws, but roots type are). Roots type pull air thru their identical screws from the top and eject out the bottom, building boost by cramming the manifold full of air directly. Twin screw use 2 differently lobed screws that cause the air to be compressed by the screws themselves, which is not only more efficient (less parasitic loss & less heat generated), but allows for more unique placement, and can be front or rear inlet designs, eventually ejecting out the bottom at the opposite end, allowing for more versatile throttle body positions and also lower height (hey, I can close my hood now!) since the inlets are front/rear, not directly over the top of the already tall supercharger.
@JoelsCrazyWillman the lobed superchargers are roots type, the screw type are called Lysholm. Apparently the roots style are less efficient from what i read
Ahhh my two favorite channels have come together I'm from Idaho I live fairly close to where grind hard is and love their content as well and donut medias
thats funny, i bought one of these AMR superchargers to put in my Starion, i got a 300 and a 500 to see what would happen. lol FYI, you might need to add oil in the unit. just a heads up. mine came dry
You bought a noise maker. When I was a kid we clothes pinned baseball cards on the front and rear forks of our bicycles. The slapping/flapping sound against the wheel spokes was cool. It only added drag and noise....but it sound cool. You have a modern day noise maker.
I really think James could be a comic if he isn’t already. dude is just naturally funny af and I could see him putting together some good bits on stage for sure. Love the channel btw.. I hope to be a car expert some day and this channel is part of the reason why as well as my natural love for cars but my ADD self has never been able to retain much info…
If you dont add fuel any supercharger will just rob power - it uses power from the engine to add more air to let you ad much more fuel. They only did the bit that costs power so its kinda meaningless.
I already knew it will take down HP, cus after installation, your Golf started to smoke badly, means not enough air in fire chamber, and probably those "grinding wheels/gears'' took some power too. That charger could work, but for some miniature engine like 0.8L, 1.0L not bigger
Maybe the blower was just too small or worn out but I'm curious how you tuned the poor thing with the MAF sensor set up that way. The mass airflow sensor is usually in front of a compressor not behind it. The MAF sensor measures airflow by detecting changes in resistance across a heated wire as the airflow moving past cools it off. The MAF sensor is designed to measure airflow at ambient pressure and temperature and relies on the intake air temperature sensor for reference. It is not designed to have hot pressurized air blowing on it. Installing a MAF sensor behind a compressor that delivers hot air will make the sensor think the airflow is reducing as the charge temperature rises, basically inverting its output. Additionally increasing the pressure of the air charge across the sensor will alter its response curve. Id love to know how you compensated for that and why you didn't just mount the sensor in front of the blower like everyone else.
The amount of noise it was making was not normal. I've seen other people use these (though not bought from wish, bought from places that actually didn't sell broken crap) and they were much quieter than this. This thing probably had bad bearings, stripped gears, etc and the impellers were touching each other and creating a buttload of friction (and noise). It probably would have actually made more power had it not come from wish (and therefor, was almost guaranteed to be junk)
big thanks to Ethan and Edwin from Grind Hard Plumbing Co! you can check out their video with this link ua-cam.com/video/uunnI1Byha4/v-deo.html
Best car youtuber colab since MCM met up with Roadkill! This was so fun, thank you both!
@@veto8792 I think Ted Nugent would side on James constitutional right to free speech- maybe even applaud him for it. Being a Nugent fan one would think you’d also applaud James’ exercise of his rights.
Plus he’s not wrong, could’ve said much worse and still not be wrong lol.
@@veto8792 do you think he should have talked about how he's a pedophile or a chicken hawk draft dodger instead?
We need a giggle counter for james
So is it scam or jam James?
Rolling out on the street at 10MPH sounding like and F1 car going 160MPH was the funniest thing I've seen in a while haha.
These collabs are freackin amazing they need to do more because we like it and we need more of this stupidity..
There are plenty to good youtobers choose from : Rich-rebuilds, Samcrac, Tavarish, etc..
Ikr it was so ridicolous lol
THEY SEE ME ROLLIN, THEY HATIN
i was waiting for it to blow lmao
*an
Had so much fun building this with you guys! What should we do together next?
Go-Karts!
so cool seeing you featured! been following your fun barbie builds since 2018
I think a nitrous pit-bike build off would be hilarious!
Solve world hunger!
no?
Alright build something or whatever
i would love to see a yamaha waverunner 4cyl in a miata sized car
I love how Nolan's sarcastic guess was surprisingly accurate lol
I thought he meant it would add 50hp.
Pretty sure he knew it was hamstringed and the guess was legit.
I don’t think he was being sarcastic hahahha
That was deadass the best part, like bro was actually right 😭
@@sienile When someone said it just briefly made 1Psi of boost, guessing they had maybe a digital guage from an ECU or something... if it's not running pressure, it's probably restricting the intake like hell.
I think being sat in that car, you would feel how bad it was pulling away no matter what the sound was like lol.
Reminds me of those whistle exhausts that were a thing for some reason lol
The equivalent of putting a Soda can wedged into your bike tire at 10 years old
Clac clac clac clac clac
i know this is random but i once tried that with a flip flop in my front tire, it braked instantly and i pivoted over that damn wheel
@@chucksneed1264 we call that Taco Tuesday ?
@@mikeandema6925 yall eat tacos and faceplant off your bike every week on Tuesday?
soda can? you do that with a playing card
Can't belive this small charger almost doubles your power(after being removed)
Lmfao
thanks for that disclaimer...lol
Uhh? they are shipped without oil !!! Was that gear whine I was hearing??Fun vid!
@@charlesfriend9557 yeah sounds like they installed it backwards too, would like to see if the job was just ruined by incompetence 🤣🤣🤣🤣😉👌 no harm in admitting y’all messed up guys gotta lose the pride 🤣👏
😂😂👀
At first I thought, wow, that's actually surprisingly great, for a supercharger from Wish, +46 horsepower. Then realised that was the total... So funny
I only got it after reading your comment.
Bro same 😂
Supercharger*
@@redfishbluefish67 I forgot to read, I could have sworn from memory it was a turbocharger that they bought from Wish. Must be a false memory, cheers.
Lol -46hp
It's impressive how that supercharger manages to halve the power of the car and reduce efficiency simultaneously
The F1 sound though 🤣
Sounded like a F1 V10 engine tho
Haha yeah you guys are right, probably worth it just to terrify the neighbors with that epic supercharger sound 🤣
Are you guys pinheads? It sounds like a bootle stuck on your bike tires.... Surely slower sounds better lol
Sounds like my v13 porch truck
5:10 Give the editor a raise for matching the recorded sound with the background sound. Love that shit
Totally didn't notice that the first time through. Good ear!
I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on a video so fast- I’ve been HYPED for this vid ever since we saw the supercharger
Same here bro lmao
Same lmao
Same here - I’ve been waiting and it feels like its been forever!
Same
Can't believe they actually did it, but so glad they did! 😂
Part of me wants it to be on backwards so when turned round it does actually make some power! Why not (even if it's not right) turn it around & see how it goes?😁👍🏻
I agree with this
That's what I was thinking. The fact it was barely producing boost makes me wonder
Yeah, flip it around and I bet it will work.
As loud as that is, it has gotta be on backwards somehow. Maybe, flip the engine 180 degrees? :D
that what I think
If it was backwards, it would literally be sucking air out of the engine, and it wouldn't run.
Man it sounds like that supercharger has an incredible amount of friction, the impellers are going to weld themselves together.
same thing i was thinking
I'm just imagining a bunch of metal dust blowing into that poor engine
Yeah, I there is something not right. Either hey have it going the wrong direction or it need oil put in it. They cant ship any engines from China with oil in them, so probably the same for this. It's not a complicated device and for any engine factory to produce, and there a hell of a lot of engine manufacturing in China. I have seen issues with their stuff for using crap materials as well.
@@markusgarvey Chinesium the weakest metal known to man
Lol, as soon as it started I thought to myself "that is the sound of pure pot metal on pot metal friction". Between the noise, the way it would die when you clutch in, and the fact it robbed about half of the power...but, I'd like to think that the boys checked before hand
"Its amazing how quieter it got"
Thats what we call self clearancing boys. Design tolerance by feel.
“I don’t think we’ve ever built a car that’s run optimally” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That should be the book title 🤣
FINALLY!!! I am surprised it managed to kill that much power 😂😂
Lmao no spoilers but I totally didn’t think about it just being friction
A youtuber "JoniK" actually has had this supercharger (or something similar. It was "Aisin AMR500" too so i think it's pretty much the same) in his fiat punto. It worked pretty well to be honest.
If you dont add fuel to the right amount in a tune then computer could run too lean or too rich both could hurt motor and hp
wasn't tuned at all for positive pressure. Probably had all sorts of vacuum and boost leaks. Clearly wasn't oiled properly at all... not to mention this style of blower is used for moving large volumes of air to cool down industrial equipment. They are supposed to be driven by a large electric motor.
@@Darctan1 Aisin is genuine Toyota parts, so that's a lot better stuff
Ethan when he saw that it made 46hp laughed but then went to thinking mode wondering why it didn't work. I'm sure he could figure it out with more time. Hell he hit 15psi on his barbie jeep with it. That dude could seriously make a potato into a super charger he's a wizard.
What if it was cause there was no oil in the supercharger
@@JnRskaterswatch the video by the guys that installed it, they made sure to put oil in
The supercharger needs a smaller pulley to keep up with the airflow a 2l engine needs. It didn’t build any boost because the engine was using more than the supercharger produced
It's meshing... Not boosting
I don't even think it could make boost. Totally defective.
@@renzokata it makes no boost... All that noise you hear is meshing.. this creates HUGE friction.. with friction you lose power.. that's why it kept shutting off... Don't consider this.. you giving your money away
tbh i think if you put a smaller pulley on it to make it spin faster it would most likely fly apart the moment it goes up to speed
Do you think you can get a 0.0018" pulley for it?
I have a true amr500 on my vw bug and it added about 30hp to the stock 60hp. The wish ones are knockoffs and the lobes delaminate. They are internally oiled and usually shipped empty. Also on a fuel injected car, you need a bypass valve between the supercharger and throttle body.
Explains the horrific noise it made
I feel like these guys would add supercharger oil and not install it empty but never know
@@tjcochran4641 no way they put oil on it. That sounded exactly like a drill press drilling through a block of aluminum with no lubrication. They probably lost all that power because the internals of the supercharger were shredded and blocked the airflow. We'll never know for sure though I guess.
@@engineerisengihere44 sounds like we need a round 2 with a new amr500
@@engineerisengihere44 that would make sense on why it “got so much quieter”
When your blower obstructs airflow..lol
Would love to see a scope/attempted tune, if it's even possible.
It needs a calculated pully before it blows up 😂😂😂
"when your unoiled supercharger fights for its life to make boost" plenty of people here have it and says it works fine if done right (and having oil in it)
The amr500 was originally designed for a British car like a mini or something like that. However, it's currently usually used on old-school air-cooled VW bugs and buses with alot of success.
Man, that supercharger sounded like it needed some oil or something. Would explain it getting quieter over time, as the insides started to grind down. Would also explain the loss of hp as the engine is working to grind that metal down. Would like to see the insides of it!
Exactly!!! my first thought that they haven't oiled it!
Well, the guys installing it were called “Grind hard” what’s you expect? 🤣
You can see Ethan oil it in grind hards video!
I'm pretty sure there are sparks coming out of the exhaust at around 9:08 from the metal grinding down in it LOL
@@DoubleSmackJacksSmackAttack it's always done that.
OMG I LAUGHED SO HARD when you guys brought it on the road. Donut really listens to the comments, LEGEND!
Haha love this! So i’m going to share the secrets of the amr500. You must run a recirculate valve before TB for this to work. Right now amr500 is controlling 100% of measured air flow at idle. vacuum will hold it open at idle and allow pressure to relieve, once you leave vacuum it will close and allow boost. They can’t/won’t work otherwise unless you mount the TB before the amr500 👊
I also didn't see them put oil in, I'm sure it came dry. Sounded like it was so loud because it didn't have any oil. I could also be 100% wrong lol
@@xVern They put gear oil in it in the GHPC video.
@@xVern Mine had oil and it was just as loud. It was near deafening which is why I had to switch over to turbskis instead
@@DirtGearTv did you make a video on it if so link the video
@@CopperheadGarage Ya, i’m a motorsports channel. I don’t want to be that guy who posts a link in comments but ran an amr500 in summer of 20’ if you want to check my library
I owned a 96 Cabrio back in the early 00's ,loved that little thing . My friends called it the roller skate ,it made tons of road trips on pennies in gas . It was many things , but fast was not one
From fine-crafted German engineering to a Stihl Chainsaw. Awesome.
They need to supercharge a chainsaw with it.
@@turrboenvy4612 these video ideas are like a deep rabbit hole and i respect and commend Donut for Making videos purely in response to us.
Here's this comment exactly #3. Bots woke up early today
Fine crafted?
To be fair a Stihl chainsaw is also fine German engineering
The amr500 super charger is what is used in classic beetles. Apart from questionable quality this should be useable for that.
they are designed for a 900cc motor not a 2L
@@desertsasquatchxploration1568 they didnt give it a tune so its just working harder to compress more air (both in the supercharger and the compression stroke) with no more fuel - hence much less power.
There is something wrong with the installation, that's why it didn't work, you are right we also tested it on an aircooled vw and it worked well
@@mycosys explain how changing fueling and ignition is going to over come a lack of air flow coming out of that charger.
@@bowez9 it's not a lack of airflow, its excessive airflow for the a/f ratio
My dad used to own golf 3 GTI 3 times in a row he absolutely loved those things back then just hittin lil over 300hp and then just a sport exhaust that’s all u needed back in the day. Great Memories!
Thats what i want rn
@8:32 The faces say it all, no one was enjoying that sound lmao in any capacity at all lmao
I have a 1994 geo Tracker and this exact supercharger seems to be relatively popular within the community with people wanting to make 100 hp+
That sounds sick, I've got a '93 and there's definitely room in that engine bay for one of those. Did you remove the AC to fit it?
@@DoubleSmackJacksSmackAttack I’ve seen other people do that but I plan to install it where the charcoal canister sits so I could run a intercooler through a hood scoop
Noted.
Oh no baby. 💀💀💀 I was hoping to see an increase! Was still not disappointed. -Edgar
ua-cam.com/video/CeHyUGq6cEI/v-deo.html
This one will. But, it's in a Malay because they put it in a national car.
I'd like to see how this supercharger works on a 3-cylinder, 1L Geo Metro engine.
You really want that supercharger I’ve seen you twice
What a legend
A slightly modified geo metro
@@obeseperson it would be really cool to see🤣
Might actually do somthing
Okay this guys love it. He's so passionate about this and you don't see it everyday. Can we get a bump on this we I need to see this done asap
Boosted boys did that and it’s still on UA-cam! The three cylinder carbureted geo. But I think it was stock ecu and stuff. They tried to do it absolutely dirt cheap
You guys have gotta have them back to install a bypass valve and get it tuned right! As it is that supercharger is generating tons of heat and drag on the engine because it's trying to pump the volume behind the throttle plate up to pressure! A bypass valve will allow the supercharger to free wheel when off the throttle. Replicate how centrifugal supercharger installs work.
A bypass valve allowing the supercharger to free wheel when the throttle is off... even though it never makes any significant amount of boost, and then when the throttle is on... that valve will still be flowing backwards because it pumps less air than the motor sucks at W.O.T.
Hahahaha. What the hell is a bypass valve going to help with?
@@Hezath Haha true. With the right pulley it might make some boost down low. I hear the VWs have some success with em, those motors don't breathe amazing. But yeah I'm on the same page. The same money/effort spent on a junkyard 3800 supercharger would make it an absolute tire fryer.
I love watching what grind hard, they have so many in the store for everyone
yes
Anyone have an English translation?
It's not the supercharger's fault, you were spinning it too slow. Amr500 makes 500cc of air every revolution but the 2.0 engine takes 1000cc of air every revolution so to even keep up, the supercharger needs to spin twice as much as the engine. To make some boost it has to spin even faster. Try smaller pulley
have you seen the pulley they put on? they took it off a generator. off the top of my head i'd estimate the crank pulley to be easily 2,5* the size. of course you're not wrong, i just think the problem is the stock fuel delivery system and the completely nonexistent optimization that's to blame here
Did you sell them the supercharger, Jan?
It will fk up the bearings and melt them through the housing 😅
@@Mike-ry4ti probably 😂😂 this supercharger is basically too small for 2.0
all im hearing is they need one supercharger per cylinder
7:52 "I love this car. Its my favourite car in the place"
*looks back at the 350z 🤣
Been waiting for this. People have fitted these on Hondas but its usually fitted on classic bugs
I put an Amr 500 on a 1600cc bug and it was probably making near 60hp, a nice increase from the stock 30hp
Now how hard would it be to plumb to a Goldwing Gl1200. Stock hp is about 90.
@@craigwiess1656 you need some way of connecting it to your accessory drive, do the math for drive speed, draw carburetor through works but they don’t they don’t live long blow through is an option to but might need a intercooler the like to get hot, efi works too. I would look for a company that sells ones made for bugs because the machine them and run seals that live with blow through, honestly I would go with a cooper S supercharger they will support 200+ hp
@@turkeyboyjh1 years ago there was a supercharger kit for the 4cyl Wings. Magnuson, I think was the brand. After I get a newer Wing may play with the 1200.
Just wanted to say that James is looking really healthy and slim in this video. I'm glad you improved your life and living healthier since your medical emergency ✌&❤ James
What medical emergency
@@jgedutis heart problem
@@jgedutis he almost died from a cardiac arrest
Yeah, heart attacks seem to be good wake up calls. Glad he's doing better now
I’ve never been this hyped for a donut vid for a while. Within the first 5 seconds, I saw the biggest mash up of UA-camrs ever, and a supercharger! Heck yeah!
7:26 love how happy you are during this crossover
Been waiting so long and hoping you would put the supercharger in. I love to see people making fun stuff out of underpowered things.
That honestly sounded like a motorcycle engine, like an early 90's motogp...doesn't sound bad, if only it actually works.
2 stroke engines.
I want to see a follow up video with a scientific breakdown why the supercharger sucked half the life out of the cars power.
Might not have had the right pulley ratio, and also sounded like it was not lubricated whatsoever
because it's junk
tldr it fucked up the air fuel ratio.
Simple, it wasnt spinning fast enough, need a different sized pulley so it’s spinning atleast double the speed it already was, also it was cheap shit😂
It's designed for a tiny gokart engine with like 0.6L of airflow. It couldn't supply enough air to the engine and was actually restricting airflow rather than forcing induction.
Guys. Honestly. I found this video today, whilst in work and cried with laughter!!
We love your dry humour here in England - keep it up!!
Fantastic collaboration, couldn't have picked a better crew to hook this up, can you guys please get Da Caprio a real baby supercharger now though? We need to see what that is like, for science. 😂
Need one from a 3800 gen 2, and fly ghpc back out to hook it up. This Supercharger was for half the displacement, what about one for double?
@@Obsidian319 up the l67 3800 Buick from the holden commodores
@@Obsidian319 those barbie boys had no clue what they doing. wrong ratio on pulleys to start with.. if something makes a sound like that,you take it off and look inside to see whats wrong. even apple and NASA cant make every bolt perfect so how could some chinese sweatshop? that sound could have even come from the belt grinding on something or just a loose bolt in the blower lol
Cabrio. It's a play on words.
Funny. I only found this channel a week ago so I haven't had to wait for this nearly as long as other!
Nolan: “Watch it be like 50HP, haha”
Leonardo DeCabrio: *Hold my Intake*
like other comments have said, they didn't take a lot of things into consideration, this needs another go around. it killing half your stock hp should be a sign they fucked up.
The audio to hammer tap sync at 5:11 was juicy. Sometimes its the little things. Props to whoever noticed and threw that part in.
Now I can rest in peace. Thank you!
@@nate4222 no, thank you!
8:53 Ethan: "Wow, all that to hear this?"
Well now it's obvious you have to try two superchargers and see if that makes power
Lol might bring it back up to the starting HP and be TWICE as loud!
@@battleaxe4784 win win
@@battleaxe4784 Its hard to know what effect this really had without a tune, a supercharger always robs power - you add it back with fuel allowed by the extra air. 40HP isnt really a lot of parasitic loss for a supercharger.
Can you put multiple superchargers in line on the same intake?
@@riskvlogs4795 yes
i'm not sure if it would work the same as two turbo's basically one turbo is the nose
(getting all the air in and filtering it) and the other is the mouth (which spits out all the waste bad air) idk i'm not a pro so I wouldn't know
This is the hardest I’ve ever laughed while taking a sh**
Bro im on the crapper rn and man this comment hit
Squad
By far the best video you guys have made to date. I don’t think I’ve laughed as hard as I did to any of your other videos before. Thanks! Can’t wait to see what’s next for Leo DaCabrio
Great video all around! Editing was spectacular! Max hanging out the chase car was cool too.
@9:07 it definitely looks like sparks come out the back.
I hope you all remembered to put oil in that supercharger -- because they DO ship dry. That might even explain the extreme noise level.
I have a 96 cabrio highline that I scored for a whopping $57.00!!!! And I cannot wait to start messing with it lol. Good to see the Donut guys sharing the love for the cabrio
I have a 2001 Cabrio, 5 speed, 120 hp if im not mistaken, i love it to death.
9:39 300zx on the street
This was probably the most hilarious video on Donut. The Dyno reactions were great.
OMG I WATCH GRIND HARD PLUMBING CO ALL THE TIME AND I LOVE THEIR CHANNEL!!
The grind hard collab was an unexpected but none the less appreciated surprise
Love both channels
11:36 it added 46.36 Horsepower Nice
Re: where Max reveals the test results - it’s been a long time since I’ve laughed so hard! Thanks for another great video!
Imagine hearing this and looking outside being excited thinking it's a f1 car but you find out that it is an ordinary car, you'd be really disappointed.
0:24 are we just gonna gloss over the animated FWD Golf doing a RWD burnout? 😏
Yes, shhhh
He just converted it from FWD to supercharged, dude
REEEEEEEEEEEE
If you look carefully it's awd
@@Zim5.0 he just broke his transfer case doing donuts
Now you need to get a legit supercharger and see the real power of Decabrio
Have used one of these ebay/wish things, you might have it facing the wrong way. It will make around 10-12psi just fine, make sure it's oiled, have heard a lot of these come dry. You should see 30-40hp gain.
too late now buddy.
yeah it sounds kinda dry if it's sounding like a motorbike
Did the same thing with my mk3 Golf. Started with a genuine AMR500, but it actually restricts flow and lost power. It will not flow enough to feed the 2lt motor.
Went with the SC14 and it made a hell of a lot of difference. Boost came on strong. Fitted a switch to the throttle body so the SC was off during idle.
It really and truly sounded like you hooked it up backwards. And according to your results, I would have to agree with that assessment.
Agreed, the diagram they showed was also backwards
Its not unusual for a supercharger to take 40HP to run in compression and mechanical losses. Normally you add a heap of fuel to make up for the loss so its hard to know what effect this actually had
The fact it was making literally no boost was a giveaway too. Also the fact that it died if you didn't keep the throttle open, it was causing vacuum pull on the throttle body. That's also a tiny ass supercharger, I could see maybe a 20hp drain from it but 40?. Nah. It also was smoking pretty heavy, although it kinda looked blue (which would be oil) it could have been running super rich trying to compensate for the lack of air.
It didn't had oil
@@JefeInquisidorGOW it did watch grind hards vid
4:29 I always thought these superchargers spun the other way and actually squished the air between the two "roots" to create boost. Nice
Me too and I thought they got the animation wrong until I read your comment and saw that the air is moved through the sides and not the center.
That’s a twin screw you’re thinking of (which is ironical named since they’re actually not twin screws, but roots type are).
Roots type pull air thru their identical screws from the top and eject out the bottom, building boost by cramming the manifold full of air directly.
Twin screw use 2 differently lobed screws that cause the air to be compressed by the screws themselves, which is not only more efficient (less parasitic loss & less heat generated), but allows for more unique placement, and can be front or rear inlet designs, eventually ejecting out the bottom at the opposite end, allowing for more versatile throttle body positions and also lower height (hey, I can close my hood now!) since the inlets are front/rear, not directly over the top of the already tall supercharger.
@JoelsCrazyWillman the lobed superchargers are roots type, the screw type are called Lysholm. Apparently the roots style are less efficient from what i read
The look of concerned horror anticipation at 8:58. Poor guy worked so hard lmao
Ahhh my two favorite channels have come together I'm from Idaho I live fairly close to where grind hard is and love their content as well and donut medias
OMFG.
My favorite channels having a crossover. Mega awesome!
That VW sounds like a V8 F1 car 🤣
Curious to know if the internal screws might have been pushing air instead of pulling due to the orientation of the belt ( CW vs CCW).
Came here to say this, I thought maybe it could be spinning the wrong way.
The guy who put it together already knew which direction it was supposed to spin and oriented it in that fashion
its not directional
@@eriksimca9409 how can a blower be non-directional?
@@FZERO20 no he assumed the direction. This makes sense, the strange sound, the halving of power. It could be blowing against the engine.
When they find out it wasn't lubricated from the factory.....
thats funny, i bought one of these AMR superchargers to put in my Starion, i got a 300 and a 500 to see what would happen. lol
FYI, you might need to add oil in the unit. just a heads up. mine came dry
if you replace the engine with a harbor freight unit it can make more power baby (than without).
No oil would explain the noise and the self clearancing effect.
You ever put it in the Starion? What year model car do you have?
@@mycosys if you watched grindhards vid the put oil in it
Justin: "thats terrible"
Grind hard plumbing: "thats awesome"
0:30 that animation costed more than the supercharger
I love James’ little giggles, makes my day
My mother and I love how he says “hers pers, or mile per ‘er”
You guys do such a great job with the ads that I don't have to skip them; it's part of content.
There was ads?
8:38 it sounds like an f1 car starting up here lol
You bought a noise maker. When I was a kid we clothes pinned baseball cards on the front and rear forks of our bicycles. The slapping/flapping sound against the wheel spokes was cool. It only added drag and noise....but it sound cool. You have a modern day noise maker.
I really think James could be a comic if he isn’t already. dude is just naturally funny af and I could see him putting together some good bits on stage for sure. Love the channel btw.. I hope to be a car expert some day and this channel is part of the reason why as well as my natural love for cars but my ADD self has never been able to retain much info…
That final HP reveal.. I broke down laughing... 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
If you dont add fuel any supercharger will just rob power - it uses power from the engine to add more air to let you ad much more fuel. They only did the bit that costs power so its kinda meaningless.
@@mycosys That makes sense.. Thanks 👍
would love a follow up from jerry to explain what factors lead to it reducing the output of the engine by so much
2:51
Previous video:
“You can’t do a burnout wheelie!”
This video: they’re doing a burnout wheelie 😂
I already knew it will take down HP, cus after installation, your Golf started to smoke badly, means not enough air in fire chamber, and probably those "grinding wheels/gears'' took some power too. That charger could work, but for some miniature engine like 0.8L, 1.0L not bigger
exactly, when they were driving i saw some blue smoke...
It was at @8:26 I realized my phone had two speakers and I couldn’t cover them both properly.
Good. Now put a wish turbo on it too and pro charge it.
Some of us poor guys wanted an honest review with effort!
You guys just made my day 😍😍 i enjoyed watching and laughing especially the dyno results moment of truth 😂
Thanks Donut media 🙂😊
Maybe the blower was just too small or worn out but I'm curious how you tuned the poor thing with the MAF sensor set up that way. The mass airflow sensor is usually in front of a compressor not behind it. The MAF sensor measures airflow by detecting changes in resistance across a heated wire as the airflow moving past cools it off. The MAF sensor is designed to measure airflow at ambient pressure and temperature and relies on the intake air temperature sensor for reference. It is not designed to have hot pressurized air blowing on it. Installing a MAF sensor behind a compressor that delivers hot air will make the sensor think the airflow is reducing as the charge temperature rises, basically inverting its output. Additionally increasing the pressure of the air charge across the sensor will alter its response curve. Id love to know how you compensated for that and why you didn't just mount the sensor in front of the blower like everyone else.
The amount of noise it was making was not normal. I've seen other people use these (though not bought from wish, bought from places that actually didn't sell broken crap) and they were much quieter than this. This thing probably had bad bearings, stripped gears, etc and the impellers were touching each other and creating a buttload of friction (and noise). It probably would have actually made more power had it not come from wish (and therefor, was almost guaranteed to be junk)
Should've sprayed some water through an atomizer into the air charge after the maf.. On most turbo cars the maf measures air sucked not blown lol..
I believe that from the sound it may have been spinning in reverse as that would drastically decrease power. It should have never been that loud.
@@qumefox they mounted it backwards, and it had no oil
i love all this cheap stuff cause its stuff i could actually do myself, keep it up boys!
dont do this one 😭
(X) Doubt
@@5Ci0N Supercharger is pretty simple install compared to turbo.
How can you not laugh when he pulls the curtain off the whiteboard 🤣
I was unaware there was any product that could make a VW worst then it already is. Thanks Guys!
As a MkIV owner...
You have NO idea xD
This guy has never owned a proper VW.
Imagining a loooong belt and 6 of these manifolded together on the output-side. Maybe actually end up with a few psi of boost
It sounded like when you get something stuck in the vacuum.
thanks for this group up, because i very much like their videos ^^
It sounds like my eclipse trying to give up on life
It's so loud what a super charger from wish worth every penny 😂