Not just grown men. M-Lopunny is like a hardened serial killer and international war criminal known for having singlehandedly deleted at least 3 entire towns off of the face of Earth. That thing was even a bit much for OU. If Gen 6 had lasted a bit longer after M-Sableye got banned, M-Lopunny probably would've gotten the boot too. Greninja got banned for less.
@@Skeloperch Mega Lopunny? Like, it's good but not ban worthy in gen 6. If there were one mega I could see having a legit argument in favor of a ban that would be Metagross as M-Metagross + Keldeo is a stupid combination that put you on the back foot very strongly once you are "in the loop", especially if spikes are up (oh no, Metagross is in, better switch in my Mega Scizor to check it. Okay now I HAVE to Roost or I won't be able to safely do it again next time ..... oh no, Keldeo came in for free on my Roost and now I have to find an answer to it ......) I don't think ORAS OU needs new bans, it's good as is, but if there were to be bans, Lopunny wouldn't be my first choice
That and Calyrex-Ice Rider. After that, there should be no more bulky Ice types. Just the forced speedy Ice type, or the Ice type bulky enough to stay in 3-5 turns rather than 1-2 turns.
Regice: I've got Psych Up, Clear Body, and enough bulk to shrug off some nasty hits on both halves of the fence. Kindly don't mock the craftsmanship of Master Regigigas.
>> tfw you have access to iron fist, one of the best physical based abilities in the game, along with access to 2/3 elemental punches, drain punch, mach punch, and focus punch, but only have a base attack stat of *35*
@@MachJacob343 It baffles me that Little Cup hasn't let Delibird into the tier, given that it's stat spread is so balanced with Little Cup's general surroundings.
As a note, there is difference between something moving up and getting banned: If a pokemon moves up a tier, it means it is common enough in that new tier, not necessarily that it was overpowered in the tier below it. On the other hand, a pokemon that is banned is overpowered in the tier, but not necessarily good enough for the tier above it. Functionally they are the same; you can only use it in the higher tier, but there is a distinction. Also a pokemon can be both banned from a tier and move up. For example, after Garbodor was banned from PU, it did move up to NU anyway. If Garbodor were to ever drop down again, it would never reach PU because it was banned already. Might make a video about this concept just to make it really clear, because I know i was confused about the difference between moving up and down and bans when i started playing, because functionally they're the same thing
@@diegoxavier9107 that is why it was designed, though. If people enjoy playing with the worst pokemon, that doesn't change the fact that the format is supposed to be as low power as you can get without using NFE mons It's currently about as popular as RU and NU which doesn't say much
New forms introduced mid-generation are introduced in the same tier as the original form. Normally it isn’t something you think much about because cases this extreme of disparity between their power are an exception
From what I remember this was before smogon started tiering megas as separate from their regular form (at least in the usage-based tiers, base Lucario/Mawile/Kanga were not banned from OU) Edit: More accurately, when a Mega Pokemon was banned from a tier, I think the item was just banned. The Mega itself wasn't shown on the Ubers/BL/etc list. I might be wrong, this was like 8 yrs ago
Arguably the most ridiculous mon to ever be OU legal. Same attack as Lando-I, faster than Starmie, more special attack than Raikou, as much defense as Rhyperior, 2 insanely good abils with Intimidate on entry then upgrading to Aerilate, and a complete bullshit movepool with answers to basically ever single counter you can imagine
@@dm9910 -Lando-I is not faster than Starmie (115 vs 101), but is just faster than mons like Mew, Both Mega-Charizard, both Zapdos, Celebi, Mega-Medicham, Mega-Gardevoir, Salamence, Jirachi, Manaphy, Gliscor, Krookodile, Hydreigon, Volcarona, Kyurem, Zygarde, Tapu Lele and Urshifu.- PS: Oops, wrong post. You are talking about M-Salamence. That thing is gross due to what you mentioned. Btw, it had MORE attack than Landorus-I, not equal, and also higher attack than A FREAKING MELMETAL, with good special coverage, Dragon dance, roost and a 234 BP double edge or a more conservative 199 BP return. It was one of the 2 best megas IN UBERS alongside the equally absurd Mega-Gengar, who luckily got instabanned due to Shadow tag.
@@N12015 Funny thing is that Mega Salemence was so busted, it was literally banned before ORAS even dropped. Due to leaks, Smogon knew what Mega Mance's stats were gonna be and released a "beta OU" ladder that very quickly proved it was dumb. Other funny thing, Mega Mance was actually considered unviable in ubers for awhile because it had to compete rather directly with Mega Rayquaza. Upon Mega Ray's ban, Mega Mance quickly went from D tier to S tier in a matter of days.
The same situation happened in gen 8, when Arctozolt and Arctovish got their hidden abilities while they were still legal in NU. For the 8 days left before the next tier shift, those two + Sandslash completely and utterly dunked on the tier, so much so that they quickbanned Arctozolt as soon as it was allowed back into the tier again
Seeing Mega-Lopunny in PU is like that South Park episode where the preschool hockey team had to play against the Detroit Red Wings and get the living crap beaten out of them
In that same vein, you can't say Ampharos didn't get real scary despite the fact it's moves fell slightly short. You'd think between Thunderbolt/Discharge, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast and Signal Beam it would give a lot of opponents pause. And enough bulk to not be easily one shot.
@@limerumpus3589 and no item slot, it just feels like doing 20% damage total to a random bulky fairy or psychic that is recovered off anyway and then it dies, especially in gen 8 without return
@@ConnorMcSchrosch mate, it's blazing fast and has 136 base attack. It's great. Sure, it's not going to hit as hard as guts conk, but guts conk can't outspeed shit
@@henriquepacheco7473 lop can't kill shit though, and conk at least has priority, I like me some strong fighting types so I'll pass on mega lop, especially now that it lost return
My personak favorite tier of all time was when RU was ruled by Mega Shark, Mega Scept and Mega Pidg. Megas felt overpowering, but in a good way. Was sad when they got banned.
I just ran a calc and Tangela surprisingly can switch in. 252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 96-114 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 1.5% chance to 3HKO
@@The_Lightless 252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 82-98 (24.5 - 29.3%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO vs 252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 106-126 (31.7 - 37.7%) -- 90% chance to 3HKO HJK does more.
Personally I liked them more than Z-Moves and Dynamax. You knew exactly what you were dealing with at Team Preview and could adjust accordingly. There were alot of overpowered mons, but they settled down into their proper tiers at the end of the day( besides Mega Ray I guess). The only Megas I didn't like in the tiers was Mega Medicham/Mawile in OU and Mega Altaria in UU, but I liked how the others could be used Offensively and Defensively.
@@destructo771 Yep, Megas were far more fun than either. The other two were just unhealthy and not fun to play around, while Megas were essentially another new Pokemon that was added, some of which were hilariously broken while others were just decent in lower tiers
Mega Beedrill is by far my favourite mega evo. I used to always draft this mon in draft leagues and is still to this day on my Nat dex team and wrecks havoc everywhere.
Hey Freezai, thank you for your very interesting videos. If it ever comes down to it I would love to see a video explaining why Dragapult in banned in National Dex OU but not in Regular OU. It's something I never quite got the hang of it, but I would be very interested to learn about.
4:55 **Freezai talks about how Mega Camerupt is really strong with it's Sheer Force ability.** Camerupt: **misses Fire Blast** Also Camerupt: "NOBODY SAW THAT!"
If Sheer Force is boosting you, just run Flamethrower and *don't* screw yourself to hell on the Accuracy. Power doesn't mean jack if you can't aim well.
@@stetsonherrick8090 Statistically Fire Blast will hit most of the times you need it to - it has 85% acc after all. It's a completely non-negligible power difference that is the difference between OHKOs and 2HKOs. If laddering the large sample size of games should make up for 85% accuracy, even if it feels like shit to sometimes miss two in one game, etc. Saying run Flamethrower because you have a Sheer Force boost is silly because Fire Blast also gets a Sheer Force boost.
Mega Beedrill was definitely not a UU staple, it was in the tier but was very hard to fit on teams, was walled easily, and was forced to use protect just to mega evolve, on top of hating the ever prominent scald spam
Video request: From what I can find, there is only one modern tier (Gen 3 or later) existence where there is only one Pokémon in its BL equivalent. That would be Sceptile, being the only Gen 6 NUBL Pokémon. I’ve wondered for a while what happened here to warrant only a single Pokémon ever being banned. Was it like a “Brawl Meta Knight” situation? Or was everything else just that much weaker?
Sceptile in NU had a combination of incredible speed and the right combo of moves and stats to be either a potent physical or special attacker, making it unpredictable and letting it counter different threats. The Unburden ability let it outspeed even Choice Scarfers.
Sceptile was not the only Pokemon banned from NU, but it was the only Pokemon that remained there until the end of the generation. Other Pokemon that got banned (Typhlosion, Magneton or Gallade for example) at some point got enough usage to move to RU proper so it isn't represented in the banlist.
gen 6 uu was possibly one of the best meta tiers smogon has ever had i remember for about it was a year to a year and a half Pidgeot mega, Victini, Mega Altaria and CB/CS DARM were all allowed and not banned for that long pidgeot was just so strong with stab hurricane that it could pivot in and out do damage with hurricane or heatwave and fast u turn out + RNJesus clearly loved the 10% confusion chance sm which was an important part of it eventual ban mega altaria was just a big bulky set up mon it was defensive as heck and had great typing with access to DD strong physical dragon moves + EQ or run a mixed attack set victini was the stable mon of the tier thing needed the eventual ban CB or CS sets could always 2hko and thay victory star accuracy bonus to all mons on team was super nuts UU in gen 6 was my favourite tier of all time it had so many hard hitters but so many defensive tanks or walls that it can be argued as one of the greatest tier metagames smogon has ever had (if u think differently then fine each to their own opinion)
Wingull is very fast (ties Abra), has two great STABs in Scald and Hurricane (often Z-boosted), and even has good utility moves like Roost, Defog, U-turn, and Knock Off to round out its set. What seems to have pushed it over the edge is the RNG factor of its main STAB moves. 30% burn, 30% miss, and 30% confuse make for some very swingy games.
4:00 "so, what are you all in this suspect test for" Mega Camerupt: "I have 145 special attack and sheer force fire blast making me basically tapu lele" Garbodor: "oh i set spikes and toxic spikes in one pokemon slot so im, uh, pretty darn useful"
“Man, musharna is too hard to deal with, let’s ban it” ORAS comes out Man, what are these new pokemon? Megas? Better not bee too powerful 5 minutes later: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
It surprises me how some pu pokemon could beat the overpowered mega pokemon especially in lickilicky it was like "Why did mega pidgeot was banned from uu when a pu pokemon that doesn't even resist it stab could walled it?"
@@brianchan8 Some pokemon are good in higher tier but worse in lower tier like reuniclus it was a very good pokemon in gen 8 ou but reuniclus was worse in uu or with mega camerupt in this video
@@drchunkalicious they also unban some ubers (the ones with 600 bst rather than 680) to see if they are still broken, with the answer more often than not being yes. most ridiculous was probably when they put darkrai and deoA back in early gen 5 ou
Then there was that time where the newly released Contrary Serperior was still down in NU?, where the ONLY thing preventing a Serperior sweep was Sap Sipper Milktank. Another time where something EXTREMELY overpowered for the tier was added in a way that didn't alter the tiering.
Never said that because I didn't want to sound rude, but I can hear you finally did something about your bad microphone, so it does not cut randomly anymore. Love your voice, and keep up the great work!
It would be cool to see a video about how mega bee will always just be a tier lower than scizor due to scizor always being better than it. Just like that celebi zarude video, maybe a few more pokemkn like that.. I love the content.
Looking at Mega Camerupt, im curious just how many pokemon are overpowered in a higher tier to the point of being banned, but would be completely fine in lower tiers.
God I miss megas. Such an obvious good idea that was mostly well received and somehow the lesson gamefreak learned was just do a gimmick that may or may not be awful every gen and then abandon it.
should've metion the most treatening destructive forces that came from omega ruby and alpha saphire, not talking about the obvious mega rayquaza that made a tier of his own, but about Sableye so overpower that mega sableye was nerfed by Nintendo itself in the very next game.
I mean in Gen 7. Also, Bad Megas like Garchomp were forced to stuck in the tier where the original was in. E.g: Garchomp-Mega in OU* because Garchomp is OU.
@@naturalharmoniagropius4486 well, also because even if Garchomp wasn't in OU, its mega had an insane attack stat, just wasn't worth wasting a slot for it (literally lost 10 speed points, making it pretty much unviable)
MLop did have a kind-of counter in Tangela, which could eat pretty much any hit and regen it off if it didn't get its eviolite knocked off. Don't remember what mega mence in OU was like, so I can't comment much on that side of the equation.
This is probably the first time I ever heard someone pronounce it “tanjela” Not trying to be mean about pronunciation of fictional animals. I say “Arseeus” instead of “Arkayus”.
Its so goofy to think about megas terrorizing NFEs down in PU, like a bunch of grown men beating up little kids at a playground.
Not just grown men. M-Lopunny is like a hardened serial killer and international war criminal known for having singlehandedly deleted at least 3 entire towns off of the face of Earth. That thing was even a bit much for OU. If Gen 6 had lasted a bit longer after M-Sableye got banned, M-Lopunny probably would've gotten the boot too. Greninja got banned for less.
oh hey pyra
@@Skeloperch But Greninja did not take the Mega Evo slot.
Grown ups with swords and guns
@@Skeloperch Mega Lopunny?
Like, it's good but not ban worthy in gen 6. If there were one mega I could see having a legit argument in favor of a ban that would be Metagross as M-Metagross + Keldeo is a stupid combination that put you on the back foot very strongly once you are "in the loop", especially if spikes are up (oh no, Metagross is in, better switch in my Mega Scizor to check it. Okay now I HAVE to Roost or I won't be able to safely do it again next time ..... oh no, Keldeo came in for free on my Roost and now I have to find an answer to it ......)
I don't think ORAS OU needs new bans, it's good as is, but if there were to be bans, Lopunny wouldn't be my first choice
I think its funny that Avalugg, despite ita terrible typing, is so ridicuosly minnaxed that it can take on OU mega pokemon.
It’s like the one bulky ice type that works, and I love that so much. Ice table is god.
That and Calyrex-Ice Rider. After that, there should be no more bulky Ice types. Just the forced speedy Ice type, or the Ice type bulky enough to stay in 3-5 turns rather than 1-2 turns.
Regice: I've got Psych Up, Clear Body, and enough bulk to shrug off some nasty hits on both halves of the fence. Kindly don't mock the craftsmanship of Master Regigigas.
@@stetsonherrick8090 I imagine Regice would get similar use to Avalugg if it got Recover. Its minmaxxed in the exact opposite degree.
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk Nah, the thing is a special wall already exists that's way better: Chansey/Blissey
On a similar note, hours after BDSP released, I got a screenshot of Ledian in OU before tiers had formed.
>> tfw you have access to iron fist, one of the best physical based abilities in the game, along with access to 2/3 elemental punches, drain punch, mach punch, and focus punch, but only have a base attack stat of *35*
I have the same with Delibird, and sent it to a friend without context.
Ledian is amazing I love him
@@MachJacob343 It baffles me that Little Cup hasn't let Delibird into the tier, given that it's stat spread is so balanced with Little Cup's general surroundings.
@@basedpliskin the fact that it has a base attack stat lower than the mighty Wurmple's...
As a note, there is difference between something moving up and getting banned:
If a pokemon moves up a tier, it means it is common enough in that new tier, not necessarily that it was overpowered in the tier below it.
On the other hand, a pokemon that is banned is overpowered in the tier, but not necessarily good enough for the tier above it. Functionally they are the same; you can only use it in the higher tier, but there is a distinction. Also a pokemon can be both banned from a tier and move up. For example, after Garbodor was banned from PU, it did move up to NU anyway. If Garbodor were to ever drop down again, it would never reach PU because it was banned already.
Might make a video about this concept just to make it really clear, because I know i was confused about the difference between moving up and down and bans when i started playing, because functionally they're the same thing
Well there are BL tiers so it's not exactly the same, the site does actually label unviable pokemon differently
Wait, isn't PU above NU?
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 PU is literally a joke tier for garbage pokemon
It is currently the lowest
@@puppieslovies Not even anymore, because PU is freaking massive. It's unfair to still call it a joke tier or garbage
@@diegoxavier9107 that is why it was designed, though. If people enjoy playing with the worst pokemon, that doesn't change the fact that the format is supposed to be as low power as you can get without using NFE mons
It's currently about as popular as RU and NU which doesn't say much
I knew that every pokemon starts in OU when introduced, but I had no idea megas started in the tier the Pokemon was originally in
New forms introduced mid-generation are introduced in the same tier as the original form. Normally it isn’t something you think much about because cases this extreme of disparity between their power are an exception
it makes sense when you think about it, having no prior experience with megas.
From what I remember this was before smogon started tiering megas as separate from their regular form (at least in the usage-based tiers, base Lucario/Mawile/Kanga were not banned from OU)
Edit: More accurately, when a Mega Pokemon was banned from a tier, I think the item was just banned. The Mega itself wasn't shown on the Ubers/BL/etc list. I might be wrong, this was like 8 yrs ago
I liked this length of video ik its not always feasible but this was the perfect size for fun facts but also to go into a little depth
I agree 100% sometimes even though the topic is interesting and well summarized, it is sometimes a bit too short.
This one was perfect !
Highly agreed
Honestly, this. I adore the shorts and playlists, but this really gives a varied exploration I personally have found myself really enjoying
The fact that Pokémon like MEGA FUCKING BEEDRILL was once in the PU tier is funny to me
I loved mega beedrill it was so funny that they made a mon go from paper to super deadly paper
@@fusionxtras You mean Kartana?
Regular beedrill is amazing
@@AdityaSingh-h7q4y bee gets walled by everything in OU tho
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 me when
0 SpA Charmander Ember vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana: 268-324 (103.4 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Similarly, Mega Salamence, one of the best pokemon even in Ubers, was once in OU. It completely terrorized the tier while it was there.
Arguably the most ridiculous mon to ever be OU legal. Same attack as Lando-I, faster than Starmie, more special attack than Raikou, as much defense as Rhyperior, 2 insanely good abils with Intimidate on entry then upgrading to Aerilate, and a complete bullshit movepool with answers to basically ever single counter you can imagine
@@dm9910 Very well put 👍
@@dm9910 -Lando-I is not faster than Starmie (115 vs 101), but is just faster than mons like Mew, Both Mega-Charizard, both Zapdos, Celebi, Mega-Medicham, Mega-Gardevoir, Salamence, Jirachi, Manaphy, Gliscor, Krookodile, Hydreigon, Volcarona, Kyurem, Zygarde, Tapu Lele and Urshifu.-
PS: Oops, wrong post. You are talking about M-Salamence. That thing is gross due to what you mentioned. Btw, it had MORE attack than Landorus-I, not equal, and also higher attack than A FREAKING MELMETAL, with good special coverage, Dragon dance, roost and a 234 BP double edge or a more conservative 199 BP return. It was one of the 2 best megas IN UBERS alongside the equally absurd Mega-Gengar, who luckily got instabanned due to Shadow tag.
@@N12015 Funny thing is that Mega Salemence was so busted, it was literally banned before ORAS even dropped. Due to leaks, Smogon knew what Mega Mance's stats were gonna be and released a "beta OU" ladder that very quickly proved it was dumb.
Other funny thing, Mega Mance was actually considered unviable in ubers for awhile because it had to compete rather directly with Mega Rayquaza. Upon Mega Ray's ban, Mega Mance quickly went from D tier to S tier in a matter of days.
I think marshadow in gen 7 was worse
The same situation happened in gen 8, when Arctozolt and Arctovish got their hidden abilities while they were still legal in NU. For the 8 days left before the next tier shift, those two + Sandslash completely and utterly dunked on the tier, so much so that they quickbanned Arctozolt as soon as it was allowed back into the tier again
The usage of appropriately-sourced footage from the time is great; I recall seeing the old PNGs and missing backsprites back in the day myself!
Seeing Mega-Lopunny in PU is like that South Park episode where the preschool hockey team had to play against the Detroit Red Wings and get the living crap beaten out of them
4:33 I love the subtle panic in the mouse when the Glalie GIF straight up breaks
Seeing serperior in pu is even more cursed than seeing mega beedrill there
yeah iirc the gen 2 and gen 5 starters only got their hidden abilities released a few months into oras
Seeing Serperior using Calm Mind felt so wrong
No contrary moment
Real..
Carried hard by it's ability
"A lot of bad Pokémon like Pidgeot."
Man Gen 6 and 7 were nice to my favorite bird. Why they have to rip it away?
In that same vein, you can't say Ampharos didn't get real scary despite the fact it's moves fell slightly short.
You'd think between Thunderbolt/Discharge, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast and Signal Beam it would give a lot of opponents pause. And enough bulk to not be easily one shot.
Holy shit the mic upgrade
Fun fact: due to it's ability (scrappy) mega Lopunny's dual STAB cannot be resisted by any type or type combination
Now if it would do real damage it could be a respectable mon, I love me some strong fighting types, so Imma pass on mega lop
@@ConnorMcSchrosch it has 136 base attack with fighting and normal stab
@@limerumpus3589 and no item slot, it just feels like doing 20% damage total to a random bulky fairy or psychic that is recovered off anyway and then it dies, especially in gen 8 without return
@@ConnorMcSchrosch mate, it's blazing fast and has 136 base attack. It's great. Sure, it's not going to hit as hard as guts conk, but guts conk can't outspeed shit
@@henriquepacheco7473 lop can't kill shit though, and conk at least has priority, I like me some strong fighting types so I'll pass on mega lop, especially now that it lost return
Imagine you’re just trying to play some PU and then you get beat down by an overpowered question mark
2:22 what A cursed name... XD
My personak favorite tier of all time was when RU was ruled by Mega Shark, Mega Scept and Mega Pidg. Megas felt overpowering, but in a good way. Was sad when they got banned.
The entire reason togetic went from PU to ru..
You know it’s doomed when your counter to mega lopunny is tangela
Noodle lad vs evil rabbit
I just ran a calc and Tangela surprisingly can switch in.
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 96-114 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 1.5% chance to 3HKO
@@benjaminh.5690 lopunny learns ice punch and check adamant. It takes one outplay turn and lopunny player wins easily
@@The_Lightless 252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 82-98 (24.5 - 29.3%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO
vs
252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 106-126 (31.7 - 37.7%) -- 90% chance to 3HKO
HJK does more.
@@benjaminh.5690 I never tire of seeing people underestimate how thicc a single noodly boy can be.
I miss megas so much
They were unhealthy af for the meta but looked super cool
Personally I liked them more than Z-Moves and Dynamax. You knew exactly what you were dealing with at Team Preview and could adjust accordingly. There were alot of overpowered mons, but they settled down into their proper tiers at the end of the day( besides Mega Ray I guess). The only Megas I didn't like in the tiers was Mega Medicham/Mawile in OU and Mega Altaria in UU, but I liked how the others could be used Offensively and Defensively.
Way better than Dynamax.
I wish we got mega mew, mega Gallade, lucario, are a couple of my favorite mega designs. Altaria is very fluffy.
@@destructo771 Yep, Megas were far more fun than either. The other two were just unhealthy and not fun to play around, while Megas were essentially another new Pokemon that was added, some of which were hilariously broken while others were just decent in lower tiers
Tera and dynamax are worse for the Meta lmao
Mega Beedrill is by far my favourite mega evo. I used to always draft this mon in draft leagues and is still to this day on my Nat dex team and wrecks havoc everywhere.
sounding nice and crisp with the new mic, keep up the good work
Hey Freezai, thank you for your very interesting videos.
If it ever comes down to it I would love to see a video explaining why Dragapult in banned in National Dex OU but not in Regular OU. It's something I never quite got the hang of it, but I would be very interested to learn about.
Basically has to do with Ghostium Z giving it a free physical STAB move which it previously lacked and had to use phantom force for
@@jns0808 Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot of sense.
Still, it is enough of a quirk that it warrants a video.
4:55
**Freezai talks about how Mega Camerupt is really strong with it's Sheer Force ability.**
Camerupt: **misses Fire Blast**
Also Camerupt: "NOBODY SAW THAT!"
If Sheer Force is boosting you, just run Flamethrower and *don't* screw yourself to hell on the Accuracy. Power doesn't mean jack if you can't aim well.
@@stetsonherrick8090 Statistically Fire Blast will hit most of the times you need it to - it has 85% acc after all. It's a completely non-negligible power difference that is the difference between OHKOs and 2HKOs. If laddering the large sample size of games should make up for 85% accuracy, even if it feels like shit to sometimes miss two in one game, etc.
Saying run Flamethrower because you have a Sheer Force boost is silly because Fire Blast also gets a Sheer Force boost.
(0:29) I wish Game Freak concentrated more on more of the little known Pokémon. I want to see a Mega Zangoose and Seviper.
Mega Beedrill was definitely not a UU staple, it was in the tier but was very hard to fit on teams, was walled easily, and was forced to use protect just to mega evolve, on top of hating the ever prominent scald spam
3:21
Everyone: Oh, the megas got banned.
Me: *the fall of the leaf king*
Video request: From what I can find, there is only one modern tier (Gen 3 or later) existence where there is only one Pokémon in its BL equivalent. That would be Sceptile, being the only Gen 6 NUBL Pokémon. I’ve wondered for a while what happened here to warrant only a single Pokémon ever being banned. Was it like a “Brawl Meta Knight” situation? Or was everything else just that much weaker?
Sceptile in NU had a combination of incredible speed and the right combo of moves and stats to be either a potent physical or special attacker, making it unpredictable and letting it counter different threats. The Unburden ability let it outspeed even Choice Scarfers.
Sceptile was not the only Pokemon banned from NU, but it was the only Pokemon that remained there until the end of the generation. Other Pokemon that got banned (Typhlosion, Magneton or Gallade for example) at some point got enough usage to move to RU proper so it isn't represented in the banlist.
@@Quite_Quiet Ah. I must not have been around multiplayer at this time.
Me: trying to learn about competitive Pokémon history
The background game: ASSLICKER
Megas are awesome; I'd love to see the meta with a new megas expansion. Mega Loppuny is really fun to use!
Fuck, I'd settle for them bringing back the non-problematic ones.
Let me use the rabbit to annihilate people with perfectly unresisted STAB.
Yeah! I wish Mega Lopunny was usable in Diamond/Pearl games...
Imran only hope the gen 6 remakes will feature it.
@@MidoriNatsume It's ridiculous that we can't access the mega forms of Sinnoh Pokémon in their own region via BDSP. The opportunity was right there!
@@djdrizzy9139 much more funny when in Lets Go we can do it, even tho pokemon cant held items
An OM that makes Gigantamax forms megas would be amazing
It's funny how salamence went from ubers to uu despit having a mega and tyranitar remain in ou and was use more in normal form and not mega form
I was playing a lot of RU at the time, and I remember M-Lopunny destroying RU, and Cresselia was everywhere to counter it x)
Had a theory mon idea where what if certain Pokémon like Giratina-O didn’t need a held item to use origin form.
Imagine Primal Groudon with a choice scarf, a choice band, or a life orb
@@silverrey7379 oh god
my eyes
@@drchunkalicious exactly
@@silverrey7379 pls no
@@silverrey7379 Primal groudon holding air balloon, just sounds like a disaster.
Your mic sounds alot better now!
Damn, these old spikes really bring back memories. I kinda prefer them to new ones honestly
gen 6 uu was possibly one of the best meta tiers smogon has ever had i remember for about it was a year to a year and a half Pidgeot mega, Victini, Mega Altaria and CB/CS DARM were all allowed and not banned for that long
pidgeot was just so strong with stab hurricane that it could pivot in and out do damage with hurricane or heatwave and fast u turn out + RNJesus clearly loved the 10% confusion chance sm which was an important part of it eventual ban
mega altaria was just a big bulky set up mon it was defensive as heck and had great typing with access to DD strong physical dragon moves + EQ or run a mixed attack set
victini was the stable mon of the tier thing needed the eventual ban CB or CS sets could always 2hko and thay victory star accuracy bonus to all mons on team was super nuts
UU in gen 6 was my favourite tier of all time it had so many hard hitters but so many defensive tanks or walls that it can be argued as one of the greatest tier metagames smogon has ever had (if u think differently then fine each to their own opinion)
it's amazing how you can do history videos of like 4 hours, great content!
Could you upload a video covering why Wingull is banned in Gen 7 LC? It seems to have mediocre stats compared to Pokémon like Abra or Ponyta.
The original comment that I posted was about rain. I'm an idiot. Wingull doesn't even get Drizzle. Ignore me, listen to the guy underneath me.
Wingull is very fast (ties Abra), has two great STABs in Scald and Hurricane (often Z-boosted), and even has good utility moves like Roost, Defog, U-turn, and Knock Off to round out its set. What seems to have pushed it over the edge is the RNG factor of its main STAB moves. 30% burn, 30% miss, and 30% confuse make for some very swingy games.
I was playing a lot of NU at this time, I remember that for a few weeks everything was centered around Mega Sceptile and Mega Altaria.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
4:00 "so, what are you all in this suspect test for"
Mega Camerupt: "I have 145 special attack and sheer force fire blast making me basically tapu lele"
Garbodor: "oh i set spikes and toxic spikes in one pokemon slot so im, uh, pretty darn useful"
Lol the Lopunny being nicknamed Cabrona killed me 🤣
Mega Evo needs to return. A lot of pokemon needed them for buffs.
living for the CBB cameo
“Man, musharna is too hard to deal with, let’s ban it”
ORAS comes out
Man, what are these new pokemon? Megas? Better not bee too powerful
5 minutes later:
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
I bet that by the time Kalos remakes come around that there will be enough power creep for megas to return to PU
...I'm sorry.
DID YOU SAY TANJILLA
TANGELA LIKE TANGERINE
i swear it made sense in my head
@@FreezaiPokemon I guess everyone messes up sometimes. xD
@@FreezaiPokemon nono, you're right, it makes more sense that way.
It surprises me how some pu pokemon could beat the overpowered mega pokemon especially in lickilicky it was like "Why did mega pidgeot was banned from uu when a pu pokemon that doesn't even resist it stab could walled it?"
Well, there is a reason why people in uu don’t use lickilicky, and forcing everyone to use it is bad
@@brianchan8 Some pokemon are good in higher tier but worse in lower tier like reuniclus it was a very good pokemon in gen 8 ou but reuniclus was worse in uu or with mega camerupt in this video
That officially makes Mega Camerupt the only Mega that actually wandered PU without getting banned
How does smogon handle the tier system at the dawn of a new generation? Could you do a video on that?
they put every new pokemon into OU and then tier down/up based on usage. the percentage of teams that use the pokemon
@@drchunkalicious they also unban some ubers (the ones with 600 bst rather than 680) to see if they are still broken, with the answer more often than not being yes. most ridiculous was probably when they put darkrai and deoA back in early gen 5 ou
Sooooooo mega metagross started in RU?
now this i want to see some footage of
Something like that happened last gen with the DLCs with NFEs all starting untiered. We had 1-2 days of scyter and porygon2 destroying PU and ZU
idk if this is the first video i recognise it, but the new mic quality is a big upgrade to prior!
Does anyone else miss the spikes visualisation during this time period?
Then there was that time where the newly released Contrary Serperior was still down in NU?, where the ONLY thing preventing a Serperior sweep was Sap Sipper Milktank. Another time where something EXTREMELY overpowered for the tier was added in a way that didn't alter the tiering.
I still remember, with great fondness, the one day that Marshadow was in OU
Never said that because I didn't want to sound rude, but I can hear you finally did something about your bad microphone, so it does not cut randomly anymore. Love your voice, and keep up the great work!
Mic upgrade is insane dude!
did you just say tanjela
I had mega camerupt + dry skin toxicroak team once in UU, it worked pretty well until a point
Geez ORAS release date was in 2014? Man I’m getting old
wait that means mega Metagross started in ru then right? lmao that must have been banned in literal minutes
Imagine using your Cinccino in your team because you think it's neat, and then the opponent pulls out a Mega Metagross lmao
I still love that they called the worst tier PU
It would be cool to see a video about how mega bee will always just be a tier lower than scizor due to scizor always being better than it. Just like that celebi zarude video, maybe a few more pokemkn like that.. I love the content.
Whoever saw the stats on those megas and decided not to quickban them immediately just wanted to see pure chaos lmao
Talk about how Musharna got banned pls
Thanks for putting in the defenisions of the abillitys
Back before Serperior suddenly yeeted all the up to OU.
Looking at Mega Camerupt, im curious just how many pokemon are overpowered in a higher tier to the point of being banned, but would be completely fine in lower tiers.
New mic goes hard as hell
lmao at Mega Lopunny's nickname @1:54
I mean, she is
Lol the heatmor name
Ah yes, thunderbolt as good coverage for Garbodor against enemy togetic...
Love the new mic!
Omg von kaiser punch out!!! Hi
@@BagelEnjoyer In the flesh
You'd love the time Kyurem-Black was UU. I think it was early SM...
Mega pokemon, in pu? That could never happen!
Wait...
the name of the mega lopunny from the miniature reads "asshole" (or words alike) in spanish
God I miss megas. Such an obvious good idea that was mostly well received and somehow the lesson gamefreak learned was just do a gimmick that may or may not be awful every gen and then abandon it.
UA-cam started this video 5 seconds into it..
Me, who has no interest in getting into or any basic knowledge in competitive pokemon, watching this and nodding the whole time
My guy aggron sittin there
like pyranitar said it’s so fucking funny to think off the best pokemon ever being subject to the “this stinks like shit” tier
Video on when Terrakion was in PU for two hours when
That lowkey sounds depressing… “I’m on the PU Council” 😅
should've metion the most treatening destructive forces that came from omega ruby and alpha saphire, not talking about the obvious mega rayquaza that made a tier of his own, but about Sableye so overpower that mega sableye was nerfed by Nintendo itself in the very next game.
Weird for me that none of the Megas were in PU below
I mean in Gen 7.
Also, Bad Megas like Garchomp were forced to stuck in the tier where the original was in.
E.g: Garchomp-Mega in OU* because Garchomp is OU.
@@naturalharmoniagropius4486 well, also because even if Garchomp wasn't in OU, its mega had an insane attack stat, just wasn't worth wasting a slot for it (literally lost 10 speed points, making it pretty much unviable)
@@silverrey7379 It's the difference between getting a BL or a OU by technicality banner, though.
Mega Lopunny is my favourite Pokemon after Ambipom
Your new mic is OP and must be banned to UUBL. :]
Too strong, send it to AG
Or as came out in 2014? Fuck I feel old
Ha ha Lopunny on thumbnail its called cabrona
2014? Man I feel old
I so badly wish their was a tier where you could use multiple megas... Or all megas
Have you heard of Mix and Mega?
Bump for the Bump God
The name of the lopuny tho 😭
I honestly think that Mega Lopunny probably was less broken in PU than Mega Salamance was in OU.
What about Mega Metagross in RU?
MLop did have a kind-of counter in Tangela, which could eat pretty much any hit and regen it off if it didn't get its eviolite knocked off. Don't remember what mega mence in OU was like, so I can't comment much on that side of the equation.
This is probably the first time I ever heard someone pronounce it “tanjela”
Not trying to be mean about pronunciation of fictional animals. I say “Arseeus” instead of “Arkayus”.
I wonder how old freezai is. Tangela was a gen 1 pokemon, so most people pronounce it as tan ge la because of the anime.
I've never heard tangela pronounced that way before. Interesting take.
Are we not gonna talk about that pronunciation of Tangela?
It's a tangle of vines, not a tangerine