Tbf every stall player worth their salt already knows which mons can beat their team, it's nothing new. This helps video others more than it helps stall.
@@maximilianomartincastrocor8883 its been years since I have used it so I dont remember the evs but the set was: nasty plot, air slash, heal bell, and roost. If you boost up enough you can even break through blissy with some flinches (not sure if it beats the new calm mind set he is talking about. Heal bell and roost made it so you couldn’t dies to passive damage that stall relies on.
facts. i have a semistall team with alomomola, gliscor, jirachi, blissey, val and dragapult, and basically i just spam statuses then get hex kills when possible. the val helps me break stall so well with just CC, knock off, moon blast and hex (tera ghost). as fast as it is, i can use it to sweep and clean up, or to pop in against other stall teams and click knock off and break weakened walls late game.
The one using Iron Golem? Pretty sure I faced a user with that name when I played. I switched to older gens because I couldn't reach top 500 in OU. I also found that it takes more time to find a matchup opponent when you're that high on the ladder.
Ursaluna original is mine. WIllow wisp is everywhere on stall teams to handle phys, and so is unaware. Ursaluna has the shear DAMAGE and the coverage to handle even unaware, and forget statusing it.
Yeah, Ursaluna sounds extremely good against stall. Guts boosted Tera Normal Facade 2HKO's even bulky resists like Corviknight and Garganacl, and Dondozo also gets 2HKO'd. The fact that Ursaluna will always have Flame Orb to avoid other status conditions and always have Guts, which doesn't care about Unaware is fantastic. Ursaluna is one of the best designed wallbreakers in a while imo.
@@SeriousStrikerNo, it's a really badly designed wall breaker. Every wall breaker should have some decent defensive answers, even choice band paradox entei under sun has them. Luna normal + ground typing with fire/electric coverage is checked by nothing. Only way to beat it is by offensive checks.
@@overlord3481 But in exchange, Ursaluna has serious flaws. It constantly takes chip damage from burn, despite being bulky, it gets hit by common super effective coverage like Water, Fighting and Ice type attacks. There's a reason it's in UU and not Ubers or OU.
Choice Band Gouging Fire in the Sun is my favorite Stall breaker. 252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Sun: 252-297 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
One cool thing about Gholdengo as well is you can run a pure stallbreaker set with Psyshock! Blissey and Clodsire are the typical stops to Gholdengo on stall, and Psyshock plows through both of them, or forces them to use Tera Dark!
I used to run that in free for all on showdown. Nobody knows who's the target until the turn thr attack hits. And there's little prediction to be done when acid spray is used at the same turn as FS landing, often nuking whatever it hits. Creates a lot of mindgames.
I think the dondozo loses against this haxorus due to taunt. Unless its oblivious dondozo, in which case its a much weaker stallmon for the team in general 😅 lose-lose
@@makatuk93 toxic with gliscor while the haxorus is setting up and then switch into a fairy type on the outrage then pivot back to gliscor and protect stall repeat
hi thank you for this. i have not and probably never will touch competitive pokemon but i battle my friend alot and they often use competitive teams. i usually win anyways but i will keep this video in mind if they ever even think about using stall. but first i gotta focus on that flutter mane of theirs.
hi everyone it has been approximately 1 hour. i just battled my friend again. they used zacian, flutter mane, ogerpon, chi-yu, arceus, and another one i don't remember. it was not fun. my poor team of diancie, incineroar, primarina, lunala, toucannon, and froslass was decimated. i killed like 4 of their pokemon and burned their zacian but i still lost. i feel so bad for my poor diancie who's pretty bulky yet still died to the burned zacian's behemoth blade. she's my favorite pokemon on my team :(
stall player here: like freezai said, many stall cores are designed to cover many of the ideas, especially ghold and future sight. in my opinion, the best way to beat stall is to either target the terastalization of the stall team (like carry two threats that would require terastalization like ogerpon + psyshock hatt) or to power through the knock off absorbers. While clef/gliscor/hydrapple may stop knock off, they are either scared out(gliscor and hydra with ice) or can be overwhelmed/on the back foot consistently(clefable) Also, future sight aint it. completely irrelevant with the double unaware core. protect blissey completely destroys it, and if you want to use it to beat stall, you need something else that requires tera AND the stall team needs to rely on tera to beat fsight.
More experienced stall player here, this man is speaking out their a**, gholdengo and future sight are both very capable of breaking stall unless you literally are too braindead to know how applying pressure to a single mon throughout a game will break it down and get a foot in the door.
@@sablesalt calm mind blissey completely shuts down gholdengo. only problem that comes from gholdengo is knock off + hazards, which can be stopped by gliscor/clef/steel mola (if you're desperate) Future sight can be shut down by a host of options: protect blissey, and basically any mon with tera steel: pex, mola, even physdef clef. Yes, gholdnego and future sight can help bust a team, stall teams are prepared for it and you still need to target the tera. Also, unless ur a 2000 rated player, you are not a more experienced stall player.
@@stallempir3 actually just found your rating, holy crud it's terrible bro how do I have 100 more elo when I don't even play the tier your running your mouth on? 💀
Hey guys i recommend You My favorite way to deal with stall use mix attacker dragapult with life orb: dragón darts for Blissey and Clodsire, Will o wisp or t-wave for dondonzo, Hex for Gliscor and Dondonzo if its burned or sleept and the fourth option can be whatever you like Substitute if they use a status move, Fire blast for Kingambit, dragon dance, Draco meteor You choose or U-turn for a safe switch.
Imprison+transform is stallbreaking tactic that comes from Balanced Hackmons. Basically it runs transform+imprison+infestation/block+utility move (usually knock off or recovery). You first trap the opponent with infestation/block. Second, you use imprison. Third, you use transform. The opponent now cannot use any move bc imprison will have locked out all their move now that you have transformed into them. Now you can use their utility move while they die from struggle+infestation damage, though you may need to put in an attack or two to finish them off. This set has seen quite a lot of usage in BH, but also in gen8 Almost Any Abilities on magic bounce/prankster Mew. It must be noted that it still technically works in OU with mew, but you are very vulnerable to status and you must keep your life orb at all cost (imprison+knock off will help with that) Warning: this is a gimmick. This strategy is not meta outside of Balance Hackmons.
Iron Valiant is also pretty good into stall. Close Combat for Blissey and Thunderbolt for Dondozo,Alomola,Corvikight. It just needs a partner who can deal with Gliscor, Clodsire and Clef. It can slot Knock off , encore and taunt.
A Pokémon that also really helps is choice band rillaboom, it can 1-2 ohko a lot of stall mons and has knock off for corviknight and skarmory. And If you really hate stall you can also put terblast fire
The fact that they nerfed the absolute fuck out of stall while pushing hyper offense like never before this gen, and people are still struggling against it makes me wonder if stall players should just be put down at this point
stall is good against hyper offense though, it struggles more against balance teams. the pushing of hyper offense does not make stall worse, if not better.
6:37 calm mind blissey is actually a gen 3 tech, since the power level is a lot lower boltbeam cm bliss can be pretty powerful as a win condition, and for more defensive teams that need help against other cm sweepers it basically guarantees that you win the 1v1. you don't even need a bunch of attacks to make cm worth it, i've used cm, flamethrower, toxic, soft boiled bliss which basically destroys anything not named metagross
I play exclusively stall so I have some thought on the video. Dondozo usually can run a curse set which counters the kinggambit set, this complements nicely with its kit since it helps out vs physical walls anyway. Tbh I think the vast majority of meta teams use knock off and that’s why I tend to run leftovers on my Pokemon and corviknight which is the better answer vs great tusk in most case. Alolamola is difficult to use with dozo because they have the same typing and vulnerable to the same threats(ogerpon). Clod is actually decent into goldengho if you run an earthquake set, you just have to pop the balloon first, Chansey also doesn’t need to run calm mind since shadow ball is also fine(also why I avoid seismic toss) this makes it better vs dragapult as well. The calm mind addition imo is usually because in the case you lose clod or it has a bad matchup into a certain special attack you can use calm mind chansey as a soft “unaware” to fill the gap. Stall is bad in this gen and anyone who loses to it is honestly building their teams wrong. There is no stall core that doesn’t lose to at least one common wall breaker so you usually will get rolled if the person you’re vs has a braincells. It just shits on bad players who just want to play hyper offense with no utility in their team.
My fav stallbreakers in gen 6-7 were sub pangoro and subroost kyurem. Something about out-mathing the archetype designed to out-math you via substitute really does it for me
omg Freezai... the best spanish friend of the french community in 2010 !!! props to you hated you for liking baton pass in early 5G, but props to you hahahaha
Mixed Iron Valiant with Moonblast CC Thunderbolt Psyshock with Tera Steel is pretty good into the most common iterations of stall cores and is good as a general use lategame sweeper as well. You'll only have problems if they lategame Tera and your other checks/counters for that 'mon are dead or if they have unusual EV spreads. Or both in the case of Tera Water Super Specially Defensive Garganacle.
Maybe tera ghost Heatran with Magma Storm + Taunt probably fits best in the honorable mention, being overall a better pokemon than volcanion for the most part
Not gonna lie these are all pretty ubiquitous examples. If anyone wants some Sauce, try Soul Dew DD EQ Draco Meteor x Latios. Crushes Clodsire, Unaware prevents DD from actually dropping your special, and your final move can tech whatever wlse your team needs. Levitate provides an additional ground immunity as well. Would recommend looking at some UU or lower mons when teambuilding, you’d be surprised at how strong some of those mons are when you find the proper niche
Clefable is my favorite pokemon. I always run one with soft-boiled, cosmic power, stored power, and toxic. Its devestating with the magic guard ability. A slow setup that I know is annoying but the payoff is great once I'm hitting for 260 damage and taking less damage than my leftovers heals. The rest of my team is not stall oriented, but its been very beneficial to have keep a Clefable for emergencies.
Acid spray H Goodra, tera water sword dance lando T, mix attack Kyurem, choice specs darkrai, choice specs keldeo, lati twins, stored power primarina and etc
Why is it that new or lower level players have so many problems with stall? If you actually played stall you'd realize it can be tough and VERY matchup dependant. Some games will be easy but others you'll just be screwed even if you're a really good player. Stall is not a hard archetype to beat.
You would think the amount of stall teams in different yearly metas would make Heal Block and other such moves much more common. Heck - I'm shocked we haven't had an ability that prevents healing altogether yet.
I think the most consistent way to beat stall teams is just outplaying them, no matter what you do you can't prepare for every style team , but you can adapt while in battle, throw one or two attacks, see how they react and counter attack, focus on defeating a key pokemon and then the entire team falls apart, there's not tera fairy calyrex threatening to sweep you from turn one if you don't react, so is easier to actually outplay them
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE keep in mind the average player unironiclly doesn't understand the concept of keeping pressure on a mon throughout a game, he speaks relevant advice as that is the main factor that ends up dividing players who can and cannot deal with stall consistently.
A good stall player will never switch dozo into a tusk if there is another physical threat. They will switchin gliscor on the knock and toxic + protect and scout for ice, if no ice spinner they sit on it, otherwise they go mola
I technically love the outlasting-playstyle. It's my favorite kind of game to play, to just outlast my opponent until I win. But the problem is - it's also intrinsically very annoying to play against, and opponents can get very irritated. So I don't want to play that kind of style in competitive pokemon, because I want to have a good time, not ruin someone else's enjoyment... Kind of unfortunate
Maybe wouldn't be as annoying if players weren't so used to "sweep or be swept" hypes and if even hyper offense versus hyper offense typically lasted a more reasonable timespan instead of being blink-and-miss...
I used a Psycic terrain team with indeedee F with expanding force and psyshock and against stall it just kills everything, I also used life orb deoxis speed on that team with expanding force and superpower and it just ran through stall
rock tera banded headsmash from hisuian arcanine shreds through stall like butter, and u just click flare blitz on the great tusk switch, its guarenteed 3 hit, 2 hit under sun.
This is why I like Salazzle. She won’t last long, but slap a Scarf on her she’ll get off at least 1 Toxic on a Steel or Poison wall before she goes down.
@@MotorcycleCheetah I am the maker of gen7's degenerator, I think I might know a thing considering I played an era where salazzle wasn't unheard of in ou.
I try to kill theme before they cna setup a stall, bond ranged greninja usually does the trick, that ir ddance dragapult with tera fairy and batin pass with garchomp whos also has tera fairy if dragapult cant
Problem is a lotta anti stall mons (wall breakers) can be pretty terrible against fast offensive teams (expect of course stuff like Gking and gold) like I sometimes use trapping moves like fire spin dnite which can catch stall off guard but that has 0 use Vs offense, stall creates a super annoying opportunity cost in team building
My stallbreaker is lum berry haxorus. Just switch in a special wall and swords dance. Dont need to fear t wave or will o wish cause of lum berry. Then one scale shot and its game. Unaware doesnt help against mold breaker.
I ran Tapu Koko on 99% of my SM teams for the specific reason of threatening CelePex teams. Plus, Lando doesn't wanna come in on HP ice and VoltTurn gets you momentum. So while not current gen, I'm going with Tapu Koko.
Hoopa unbound choice band with 3 physical attack+psychic is SO good against stall, you are almost guaranteed a kill everytime you successfully switch it in. The problem is that it's not so good against non-stall.
after this video i wanted to play with my Stall team... why is Audino banned in Ubers? it was in RU when i last checked :o (played last before the dlc was released)
Honestly this gen has been the worst for stall, I feel bad as stall players fight tooth and nail in a playstyle that is universally hated and is, in this gen, very hard to play. If u win with stall on high ladder then ur just a really good player and I respect u for that. Most teams have stall breakers without even trying so winning with stall is very impressive.
You frogot mixed Attackers like iron val ,Deoxy speed and hoopa-U. Stored power hat , SPA Walking wake and four attack weavile aslo bet stall in my Opinion i dont think stall is not Worth running in gen9 Too many things beat it reliably .
6:00 Gholdengo uses Nasty Plot
Galaxy Brain Garganacl uses Iron Defence
he’s trying to power up body press you wouldnt understand
@@CoolGuy-yk9kdand what good is that against ghold
@@robs9343it literally only has salt cure and bodypress. What else would it do
@@tarunyadav3567 switch??
@@robs9343 to who? All the other guys lose as well
Bring back the agency certified thumbnail
It just changed :(
Noted
Sadge tho, i liked the goofy nonprofessional thumbnail more
Agreed, I got word the agency will work on this
What is the original thumbnail ?
Stall cores after watching this videos “thanks”
Tbf every stall player worth their salt already knows which mons can beat their team, it's nothing new. This helps video others more than it helps stall.
@Razth3bar mixed sets are limited to like 3 mons in the metagame and only pult and kyurem really threaten stall with their mixed
Stall breaker togekiss was my favorite mon to just clean through stall. It’s a shame it’s no longer in the game.
Play National Dex Then
Can i ask for the moveset? And what it can beat?
@@maximilianomartincastrocor8883 its been years since I have used it so I dont remember the evs but the set was: nasty plot, air slash, heal bell, and roost. If you boost up enough you can even break through blissy with some flinches (not sure if it beats the new calm mind set he is talking about. Heal bell and roost made it so you couldn’t dies to passive damage that stall relies on.
@@rixrobin hmmm maybe works for nat dex, ghold and gambit are banned so i'm pretty doomed with archa as my only stallbreaker
Guts conkeldurr was my guy back in gen 8 stall days
Guts adamnt
Bulk up
CC
Knock off
MACH p.
Mixed iron valiant pretty good as well being both a phys and spec attacker while being able to taunt and destiny bond if you want.
facts. i have a semistall team with alomomola, gliscor, jirachi, blissey, val and dragapult, and basically i just spam statuses then get hex kills when possible. the val helps me break stall so well with just CC, knock off, moon blast and hex (tera ghost). as fast as it is, i can use it to sweep and clean up, or to pop in against other stall teams and click knock off and break weakened walls late game.
she can also use Trick
5:24 HOLY SHIT THATS ME :D
The one using Iron Golem? Pretty sure I faced a user with that name when I played. I switched to older gens because I couldn't reach top 500 in OU. I also found that it takes more time to find a matchup opponent when you're that high on the ladder.
@@vanesslifeygoNah I’m the Porygon-Z guy
@@Duckularwhere I can’t tell
Oh now I see lol
Ursaluna original is mine. WIllow wisp is everywhere on stall teams to handle phys, and so is unaware. Ursaluna has the shear DAMAGE and the coverage to handle even unaware, and forget statusing it.
Yeah, Ursaluna sounds extremely good against stall. Guts boosted Tera Normal Facade 2HKO's even bulky resists like Corviknight and Garganacl, and Dondozo also gets 2HKO'd. The fact that Ursaluna will always have Flame Orb to avoid other status conditions and always have Guts, which doesn't care about Unaware is fantastic.
Ursaluna is one of the best designed wallbreakers in a while imo.
The best stall team rn literally only has Poison Jab as a status inflicting move.
@@SeriousStrikerNo, it's a really badly designed wall breaker. Every wall breaker should have some decent defensive answers, even choice band paradox entei under sun has them. Luna normal + ground typing with fire/electric coverage is checked by nothing. Only way to beat it is by offensive checks.
@@overlord3481 But in exchange, Ursaluna has serious flaws. It constantly takes chip damage from burn, despite being bulky, it gets hit by common super effective coverage like Water, Fighting and Ice type attacks.
There's a reason it's in UU and not Ubers or OU.
@@The_VanniWhat is that team? Im surprised it'd lack Scald alomomola
Mr Craw is calling 📞📞📞
Choice Band Gouging Fire in the Sun is my favorite Stall breaker.
252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Sun: 252-297 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That calc is actually insane holy shit
@@kingambitrealholy shit it's him.
*Sword dances. Gets+2 physical attack and+1 speed*
Yo that jungle joyride was hitting in the back
Too late for last upload, too early for the next upload, but right on time for todays upload
I saw the thumbail change in realtime tho lmao
One cool thing about Gholdengo as well is you can run a pure stallbreaker set with Psyshock! Blissey and Clodsire are the typical stops to Gholdengo on stall, and Psyshock plows through both of them, or forces them to use Tera Dark!
He mentions that
i love using future sight + acid spray on glowking. it beats unaware mons quite handily.
Acid Spray is an interesting move choice. I like it.
I used to run that in free for all on showdown. Nobody knows who's the target until the turn thr attack hits. And there's little prediction to be done when acid spray is used at the same turn as FS landing, often nuking whatever it hits. Creates a lot of mindgames.
Taunt, Dragon Dance, Mold Breaker, Tera Electric Haxorus is my favorite stall breaker.
tera fighting curse sleeptalk dondozo
I think the dondozo loses against this haxorus due to taunt. Unless its oblivious dondozo, in which case its a much weaker stallmon for the team in general 😅 lose-lose
@@makatuk93 toxic with gliscor while the haxorus is setting up and then switch into a fairy type on the outrage then pivot back to gliscor and protect stall repeat
Can he beat Goku tho ?
@@juliobrando6367 Like a crossover in Pokemon Horizons, a Haxorus vs Goku, Epic battle.
I need the thumbnail with Chancey. Something about it is just... So very relatable.
My all time favorite stall breaker was CB adamant baxcaliber for the time when he was legal
hi thank you for this. i have not and probably never will touch competitive pokemon but i battle my friend alot and they often use competitive teams. i usually win anyways but i will keep this video in mind if they ever even think about using stall. but first i gotta focus on that flutter mane of theirs.
hi everyone it has been approximately 1 hour. i just battled my friend again. they used zacian, flutter mane, ogerpon, chi-yu, arceus, and another one i don't remember. it was not fun. my poor team of diancie, incineroar, primarina, lunala, toucannon, and froslass was decimated. i killed like 4 of their pokemon and burned their zacian but i still lost. i feel so bad for my poor diancie who's pretty bulky yet still died to the burned zacian's behemoth blade. she's my favorite pokemon on my team :(
The Skarm in the thumbnail has my sides splitting. That's some goated Agency vibes right there.
stall player here: like freezai said, many stall cores are designed to cover many of the ideas, especially ghold and future sight. in my opinion, the best way to beat stall is to either target the terastalization of the stall team (like carry two threats that would require terastalization like ogerpon + psyshock hatt) or to power through the knock off absorbers. While clef/gliscor/hydrapple may stop knock off, they are either scared out(gliscor and hydra with ice) or can be overwhelmed/on the back foot consistently(clefable)
Also, future sight aint it. completely irrelevant with the double unaware core. protect blissey completely destroys it, and if you want to use it to beat stall, you need something else that requires tera AND the stall team needs to rely on tera to beat fsight.
Tera is the last thing making stall viable this gen, GG in 2025
More experienced stall player here, this man is speaking out their a**, gholdengo and future sight are both very capable of breaking stall unless you literally are too braindead to know how applying pressure to a single mon throughout a game will break it down and get a foot in the door.
@@sablesalt calm mind blissey completely shuts down gholdengo. only problem that comes from gholdengo is knock off + hazards, which can be stopped by gliscor/clef/steel mola (if you're desperate) Future sight can be shut down by a host of options: protect blissey, and basically any mon with tera steel: pex, mola, even physdef clef. Yes, gholdnego and future sight can help bust a team, stall teams are prepared for it and you still need to target the tera.
Also, unless ur a 2000 rated player, you are not a more experienced stall player.
@@stallempir3 yeah no you're fraudulent as hell if you are going to cite such a vacuum, plus you have no elo rating on ladder so cope
@@stallempir3 actually just found your rating, holy crud it's terrible bro how do I have 100 more elo when I don't even play the tier your running your mouth on? 💀
Hey guys i recommend You My favorite way to deal with stall use mix attacker dragapult with life orb: dragón darts for Blissey and Clodsire, Will o wisp or t-wave for dondonzo, Hex for Gliscor and Dondonzo if its burned or sleept and the fourth option can be whatever you like Substitute if they use a status move, Fire blast for Kingambit, dragon dance, Draco meteor You choose or U-turn for a safe switch.
Imprison+transform is stallbreaking tactic that comes from Balanced Hackmons.
Basically it runs transform+imprison+infestation/block+utility move (usually knock off or recovery). You first trap the opponent with infestation/block. Second, you use imprison. Third, you use transform. The opponent now cannot use any move bc imprison will have locked out all their move now that you have transformed into them. Now you can use their utility move while they die from struggle+infestation damage, though you may need to put in an attack or two to finish them off.
This set has seen quite a lot of usage in BH, but also in gen8 Almost Any Abilities on magic bounce/prankster Mew. It must be noted that it still technically works in OU with mew, but you are very vulnerable to status and you must keep your life orb at all cost (imprison+knock off will help with that)
Warning: this is a gimmick. This strategy is not meta outside of Balance Hackmons.
Iron Valiant is also pretty good into stall. Close Combat for Blissey and Thunderbolt for Dondozo,Alomola,Corvikight. It just needs a partner who can deal with Gliscor, Clodsire and Clef. It can slot Knock off , encore and taunt.
A Pokémon that also really helps is choice band rillaboom, it can 1-2 ohko a lot of stall mons and has knock off for corviknight and skarmory. And If you really hate stall you can also put terblast fire
Future sight is my fav stall breaking method. I also love using weavile because knock off absorbers typically hate +2 triple accel
Goated vid as always
The fact that they nerfed the absolute fuck out of stall while pushing hyper offense like never before this gen, and people are still struggling against it makes me wonder if stall players should just be put down at this point
if they nerfed the fuck out of it and people are still struggling against it that sounds like a skill issue
In this case it's just people playing Scissors into Rock. Not Rock being broken.
Stall is still the most reliable playstyle
stall is good against hyper offense though, it struggles more against balance teams. the pushing of hyper offense does not make stall worse, if not better.
6:37 calm mind blissey is actually a gen 3 tech, since the power level is a lot lower boltbeam cm bliss can be pretty powerful as a win condition, and for more defensive teams that need help against other cm sweepers it basically guarantees that you win the 1v1. you don't even need a bunch of attacks to make cm worth it, i've used cm, flamethrower, toxic, soft boiled bliss which basically destroys anything not named metagross
You can use trick pecha berry gholdengo to permanently remove gliscor's healing ;)
Persim berry heals confusion
Pecha* berry but I never thought of that
It’s a meme going around rn
I used sticky hold Hydrapple sometimes on stall to act as a Knock Off absorber, so knock off alone isnt enough
If you watched the first couple min of the video its literally the first point he makes...
I play exclusively stall so I have some thought on the video.
Dondozo usually can run a curse set which counters the kinggambit set, this complements nicely with its kit since it helps out vs physical walls anyway.
Tbh I think the vast majority of meta teams use knock off and that’s why I tend to run leftovers on my Pokemon and corviknight which is the better answer vs great tusk in most case.
Alolamola is difficult to use with dozo because they have the same typing and vulnerable to the same threats(ogerpon).
Clod is actually decent into goldengho if you run an earthquake set, you just have to pop the balloon first, Chansey also doesn’t need to run calm mind since shadow ball is also fine(also why I avoid seismic toss) this makes it better vs dragapult as well. The calm mind addition imo is usually because in the case you lose clod or it has a bad matchup into a certain special attack you can use calm mind chansey as a soft “unaware” to fill the gap.
Stall is bad in this gen and anyone who loses to it is honestly building their teams wrong. There is no stall core that doesn’t lose to at least one common wall breaker so you usually will get rolled if the person you’re vs has a braincells. It just shits on bad players who just want to play hyper offense with no utility in their team.
My fav stallbreakers in gen 6-7 were sub pangoro and subroost kyurem. Something about out-mathing the archetype designed to out-math you via substitute really does it for me
omg Freezai... the best spanish friend of the french community in 2010 !!! props to you
hated you for liking baton pass in early 5G, but props to you hahahaha
oh and you were mildly annoyed by me for mostly playing stall teams, I forgot about that hahaha
Back in the days of Hidden Power & Inflitrator, stall was rarely an issue.
Adamant banded hoopa unbound was my favorite wall breaker back on gen 7
Mixed Iron Valiant with Moonblast CC Thunderbolt Psyshock with Tera Steel is pretty good into the most common iterations of stall cores and is good as a general use lategame sweeper as well.
You'll only have problems if they lategame Tera and your other checks/counters for that 'mon are dead or if they have unusual EV spreads. Or both in the case of Tera Water Super Specially Defensive Garganacle.
Big Stall seething after this one
Learning to love hazards
Maybe tera ghost Heatran with Magma Storm + Taunt probably fits best in the honorable mention, being overall a better pokemon than volcanion for the most part
Yeah I'm shocked he never brought up Heatran. Historically the goat when it comes to dismantling stall
alomamola got flip turn in gen 9
Seeing muk mentioned makes me warm (tho its part of the stall haha
Gholdengo is a great choice scarf tricker because it itself cannot be tricked or taunted.
YESS THANK YOU
Stall players scrambling to find counters
I really like the early 90s kids magazine art in the thumbnail.
Goated thumbnail and video
Not gonna lie these are all pretty ubiquitous examples. If anyone wants some Sauce, try Soul Dew DD EQ Draco Meteor x Latios. Crushes Clodsire, Unaware prevents DD from actually dropping your special, and your final move can tech whatever wlse your team needs. Levitate provides an additional ground immunity as well. Would recommend looking at some UU or lower mons when teambuilding, you’d be surprised at how strong some of those mons are when you find the proper niche
Well this just makes me want to play stall
Its not a bad thing, playing stall will make you understand its strenghts and weaknesses
The existence of stall gameplay makes me think that some people just shouldn't be allowed to own Pokemon in the real world
Still better than sticky web HO
@@overlord3481At least that’s less painful
@@overlord3481sticky web is epic
Clefable is my favorite pokemon. I always run one with soft-boiled, cosmic power, stored power, and toxic. Its devestating with the magic guard ability. A slow setup that I know is annoying but the payoff is great once I'm hitting for 260 damage and taking less damage than my leftovers heals.
The rest of my team is not stall oriented, but its been very beneficial to have keep a Clefable for emergencies.
clefa h.a. win
Acid spray H Goodra, tera water sword dance lando T, mix attack Kyurem, choice specs darkrai, choice specs keldeo, lati twins, stored power primarina and etc
Why is it that new or lower level players have so many problems with stall?
If you actually played stall you'd realize it can be tough and VERY matchup dependant. Some games will be easy but others you'll just be screwed even if you're a really good player. Stall is not a hard archetype to beat.
because they suck
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGEhead on the nail diagnosis
Gothitelle will always be my favourite anti-stall pokemon but I have to admit that Mixed Kyurem has been growing on me lately
That thumbnail is crazy 😂
You would think the amount of stall teams in different yearly metas would make Heal Block and other such moves much more common. Heck - I'm shocked we haven't had an ability that prevents healing altogether yet.
Heal Block just isn't good enough. If it blocked Regenerator it could have a niche.
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I think the most consistent way to beat stall teams is just outplaying them, no matter what you do you can't prepare for every style team , but you can adapt while in battle, throw one or two attacks, see how they react and counter attack, focus on defeating a key pokemon and then the entire team falls apart, there's not tera fairy calyrex threatening to sweep you from turn one if you don't react, so is easier to actually outplay them
how to win: be better than your opponent
wow very insightful off you
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE you might learn how to do that if you could read past the first sentence of bros comment.
@@sablesalt the rest of the comment is just the same shit about outplaying your opponent.
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE keep in mind the average player unironiclly doesn't understand the concept of keeping pressure on a mon throughout a game, he speaks relevant advice as that is the main factor that ends up dividing players who can and cannot deal with stall consistently.
Gotta have the right tools in the kitchen to make the meal, no matter how well you can cook.
Ogerpon is also countered by haze toxapex, and ferrothorn.
A good stall player will never switch dozo into a tusk if there is another physical threat. They will switchin gliscor on the knock and toxic + protect and scout for ice, if no ice spinner they sit on it, otherwise they go mola
Also the funny Clefable set with Sticky Barb to beat Proto Tusks
I technically love the outlasting-playstyle. It's my favorite kind of game to play, to just outlast my opponent until I win. But the problem is - it's also intrinsically very annoying to play against, and opponents can get very irritated. So I don't want to play that kind of style in competitive pokemon, because I want to have a good time, not ruin someone else's enjoyment... Kind of unfortunate
Maybe wouldn't be as annoying if players weren't so used to "sweep or be swept" hypes and if even hyper offense versus hyper offense typically lasted a more reasonable timespan instead of being blink-and-miss...
I used a Psycic terrain team with indeedee F with expanding force and psyshock and against stall it just kills everything, I also used life orb deoxis speed on that team with expanding force and superpower and it just ran through stall
How are the comments still full of casuals/vgc players cryingover a playstile that isnt even that good rn. get good
rock tera banded headsmash from hisuian arcanine shreds through stall like butter, and u just click flare blitz on the great tusk switch, its guarenteed 3 hit, 2 hit under sun.
PP stalling's my favourite way to stall. Anything else feels like just playing normally.
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This is why I like Salazzle. She won’t last long, but slap a Scarf on her she’ll get off at least 1 Toxic on a Steel or Poison wall before she goes down.
what is outspeeding salazzle in stall
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE I more so meant in general, but, Touché.
I cannot stress how little this will do to even the most incompetent stall teams, this will just speed up losing.
@@sablesalt That’s a bit of vague assessment, not sure if I trust it
@@MotorcycleCheetah I am the maker of gen7's degenerator, I think I might know a thing considering I played an era where salazzle wasn't unheard of in ou.
I try to kill theme before they cna setup a stall, bond ranged greninja usually does the trick, that ir ddance dragapult with tera fairy and batin pass with garchomp whos also has tera fairy if dragapult cant
We just gonna forget Tera grass heatran huh
Don't forget about taunt, encore, safeguard, our VGC saviors
obsessed with this thumbnail
Focus Energy Waterpon is one of the best mons to beat stall teams
That nostalgic thumbnail 😭
Honestly I don't think I've lost too much to stall, rather I'm worse at stopping good offense.
Stall is the best strategy hatred of it is rooted in a skill issue
How to beat stall?
Click crabhammer 6 times
Water Absorbs Clodsire says hello
Problem is a lotta anti stall mons (wall breakers) can be pretty terrible against fast offensive teams (expect of course stuff like Gking and gold) like I sometimes use trapping moves like fire spin dnite which can catch stall off guard but that has 0 use Vs offense, stall creates a super annoying opportunity cost in team building
My stallbreaker is lum berry haxorus. Just switch in a special wall and swords dance. Dont need to fear t wave or will o wish cause of lum berry. Then one scale shot and its game. Unaware doesnt help against mold breaker.
I ran Tapu Koko on 99% of my SM teams for the specific reason of threatening CelePex teams. Plus, Lando doesn't wanna come in on HP ice and VoltTurn gets you momentum. So while not current gen, I'm going with Tapu Koko.
Porygon 2 with Eviolite and Trace. Trust. This one pokemon covers, Gliscor, Regen, and unaware. He is the hidden uno reverse card.
When i think of anti stall mons, first thing that comes up in my mind is Galarian Weezing
Hoopa unbound choice band with 3 physical attack+psychic is SO good against stall, you are almost guaranteed a kill everytime you successfully switch it in.
The problem is that it's not so good against non-stall.
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Nothing feels better than watching a stall player swap into Blissey on a +6 gholdengo with psyshock.
I find pressure stall works pretty well right now.
I read this as "bro explains how to beat stall"
Freezai this is the third thumbnail you’ve cycled, just bring back the first
after this video i wanted to play with my Stall team... why is Audino banned in Ubers? it was in RU when i last checked :o (played last before the dlc was released)
I approve of the choice to use Jungle Joyride!
Now make a video explaining how to play stall 🔥🔥
Ironically, I think gliscor is one of the best mons against stall because there is very little stall can do against it
Is it weird that Stall Versus Stall is my preferred kinda gaming?
Honestly this gen has been the worst for stall, I feel bad as stall players fight tooth and nail in a playstyle that is universally hated and is, in this gen, very hard to play. If u win with stall on high ladder then ur just a really good player and I respect u for that. Most teams have stall breakers without even trying so winning with stall is very impressive.
Tbh average player is less intelligent in recent gens so it has strangely balanced out somewhat
Idk about Gholdengo, walled by amnesia Clodsire which is common on stall
I want one video on how to beat hyper offense teams
Bonus if the answer is NOT to be hyper offense yourself.
I will say this is why I prefer doubles. Not that stall teams don't exist but it is much harder to perform
I play in nat dex and with ghold banned, stall is pretty dangerous when its hazard stack but i still got wallbreakers
Also hot take, test shaymin-sky in OU and nat dex
I suggest metagross to everyone. unaffected by toxic, knock off is unexpected, psychic fangs break barriers, can’t go wrong
Nah you just get walled by gliscor
Screens are more common in Hyper Offense, not Stall. There are a few stall mons that can use Screens, but they're very rare
Aw the thumbnail changed :(
One name. Haxorus
When will you post OU on freezai live
You frogot mixed Attackers like iron val ,Deoxy speed and hoopa-U. Stored power hat , SPA Walking wake and four attack weavile aslo bet stall in my Opinion i dont think stall is not Worth running in gen9 Too many things beat it reliably .
I’m glad stall this gen was nerfed . With scald, toxic, and recovery reduced, it not nearly as potent as before. Still decent just a lot worse.
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