Awesome man. Yeah I looked at the lower seat for the street fighters. But because of how the seat attaches on street fighters it wouldn’t easily go into a Panigale. The subframe itself is different. Wish that could have been a viable option so I could have left the suspension alone. Thank you for chiming in, enjoy that SF.
I’ve been toying with the idea of buying either the panigale sp2 or the street fighter sp2. What was putting me off was the seat height. Good to hear there are multiple options to lower the bike. I’m 5’8” and understand that the sp2 is a bit taller than the vrs.
I’ve had 2 Panigales as well! They make lowered seats but you have to make sure you get the right part #. Truly tho if you adjust the preload front and back or change spring if you’re a lightweight rider, you can ride stock seat without a whole lot of issue
Hey man, awesome video, I made 5 sets of custom links in between those lowering link height and stock. I didn’t want my 2024 so low, and I also didn’t want AL ones as the fatigue life isn’t as good as steel. If you’re interested in a set let me know. I also didn’t like the low speed steering with it being that low. Cheers, Julian
Right on. Those are sweet, love the speed white on the RSV4’s. I am not planning on lowering the RSV4. The RSV4 height is fine for me despite it being the same height on paper as the Pani V4. Either Aprilia’s measurement is wrong or Ducati’s measurement is wrong. V4 is way higher.
Don't forget to adjust the front forks to account for the rear drop bro. Suspension geometry is crucial on bikes, more forgiving on cars. Love the vids! Keep the good content coming. I just picked up the same bike in May and am working at the same pace as you (just took the stock exhaust off last week to wrap the headers with DEI Titanium wrap) and about to put on the Akra slip ons. I also wanted to install the Aella links as I am 5' 7" and kinda have the same stuggles as you. I went from a V2 to this and this is WAY different in terms of height and flickability but the V2 was just too slow for me. I'm in South Florida and we don't have as many twisty roads down here (if any), so i've been on liter bikes for 20+yrs and the V2 wasn't doing it. Looking forward to the next vid!
Aella as well as Dave Moss recommended leaving the front forks alone for this application, so I am going to follow that guidance. If you raise the front forks, that still won’t get you back to stock geometry. Appreciate the support, good luck with whatever method you choose to lower your V4 bro.
@@ridewithKY Gotcha! Dave Moss is the man, so I get that. I'm still going to match the front to back after the Aella install- just to keep the rake on point to the stock config. In other words, if the bike was 35" in the rear and 33" in the front and I go to 34" in the rear, I will bring the front to 32" to match. I get and respect what you're saying, too, though. Subscribed to see the progress!
Yeah man, no problem. I am lucky, as Dave Moss is local to me. The explanation I was given is just because you’ve manipulated the rear suspension to drop 1” for example, that doesn’t mean dropping the front that same amount will get you the same geometry. Dave indicated the more you alter the suspension, the further you get away from the stock geometry. Since this is lowered so little in the rear, it’s better to just leave the front alone. Especially for what I am doing, which is street riding. For track riding, I’d want to put the stock link back. Aella didn’t get into the details like Dave did, but said they would recommend just leaving the front forks alone. Take care man. Good luck with your set up. Not trying to tell you what to do, just sharing what info I’ve been able to gather so far.
On paper the Yamaha is taller at 33.7". However, for all practical purposes I think the Ducati is just as tall if not taller. As an example, the V4 is supposed to have a 33.5" seat height, which is the same as my RSV4 (on paper). In real life though, the V4 is much taller than the RSV4.
I didn’t notice a difference but I just casually ride. I have no doubt the handling was affected but for what I do with this V4, it makes no difference. Thanks.
Appreciate you watching. I haven’t noticed any difference in handling although I don’t see how it wouldn’t influence the handling. Any suspension change is definitely going to affect the way the bike handles. It’s just for the type of riding I do, I wouldn’t notice it. Thank you for watching.
I am 5'4" and use daytona boots, which definitely help. Wondering how tall you are since I currently have a v2 and considering to trade for a v4s. Do you think v4s is harder to handle in terms of ergonomics?
I am 5'5". The current V4 is a lot taller than the V2. The V2 is relatively tall, but nothing like a V4. If you want to go to a V4 then you might want to consider a 2020-2021, which had a lower seat height. The current Pani V4 is supposed to have a 33.5" seat height, but I have my doubts. Every motorcycle I've thrown a leg over with a 33.5" seat height, including my 2023 RSV4 feels substantially lower than the current Pani V4. The V4's feel similar height to an R1.
@@ridewithKY have you riden it yet? I’m no expert either but I have had my front forks set too far through my triple clamp in the past after having them serviced. It made the front end really light and wobbly on acceleration due to the arse down head up stance, and my fronts where only 15mm too far through. I dropped them down onto the 3rd ring and the difference was night and day. Bikes are super sensitive to geometry changes. Also in dropping the rear your increasing the head angle by a small amount which will make it harder to turn and make the front tyre want to stand up straight more.
@@ridewithKY ShalomBrother is right @ridewithKY From a safety standpoint, adjust the front, too. I put that in my comment to you as well before I scrolled through the comments below. There are a sh*t ton of videos about superbike geometry so make sure you check those out. That's crazy that AELLA said to not adjust the forks!!! The bike has a "rake" for a reason. CRAZY!!!
Actually Dave moss just told me the same. He said for the amount it’s lowered and for what I’m doing with the bike it’s best to leave the front forks alone…
Appreciate the suggestion. I do not want to go that low. I also would prefer a fixed height rather than having to mess with an adjustable link. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Does Ducati make a lowered seat for the 2023? Personally, I would've tried that first before changing the geometry of the bike. Looks like you may already have the lowered seat, but not certain.
Ducati makes a lowered seat for street fighters, but not for panigale’s. I thought about trying to make the street fighter seat work, but the subframes are different.
The v2 suspension is completely different, it would be a different process. However, I’ll say the v2 seat height is pretty manageable. You can’t have too much shorter of an inseam than me and I find the V2 easy to ride as far as seat height and width goes.
To be honest, I don’t know. I’ve tried to do research on this but it’s hard to find reliable information on what’s actually different about the 22+ V4’s that make them so tall. 18-21 is a 32.9” seat height and 22+ is 33.5” seat height. It is a significant difference going to a 22+ MY V4. Even folks that are pretty tall in stature comment on how much higher the seat height is on a 22+ V4.
@@ridewithKY yep its quite tall, if im right ducati made it taller so that it could be more manageable in corners plus back then the WSBK changed the rule with the chassis that it should remain close to stock dimensions... Great content by the way.. looking forward on seeing more vids 👍👍👍
Appreciate the info. Makes sense… these are race bikes so the preference is performance over comfort. That’s why I see this as a me issue and not a Ducati issue. Appreciate the info and appreciate the support. Take care and ride safe.
On paper they are the same height but in reality the V4 is a lot higher. I can ride my RSV4 no problem. The V4 was a struggle the entire break-in (600+ miles).
I appreciate it, thank you! I work in the legal field. What I do is very modest, I’m no hot shot. Thank you for watching and for supporting the channel.
@johncunanan4486 😂. I appreciate that. Some people have to drag their negativity onto others. Pretty sad existence really. Instead of contributing in a helpful way, they try to make others as miserable as they are.
I have a streetfighter and I’m 5’4. I got the lowered seat and adjusted the preload on the suspension to my weight. Makes a big difference!
Awesome man. Yeah I looked at the lower seat for the street fighters. But because of how the seat attaches on street fighters it wouldn’t easily go into a Panigale. The subframe itself is different. Wish that could have been a viable option so I could have left the suspension alone. Thank you for chiming in, enjoy that SF.
I’ve been toying with the idea of buying either the panigale sp2 or the street fighter sp2. What was putting me off was the seat height. Good to hear there are multiple options to lower the bike. I’m 5’8” and understand that the sp2 is a bit taller than the vrs.
@Shafiq1969 for sure if you go SF, then getting the lower OEM seat is a great way to go. Wish they’d make one for the Panigale’s.
I'm 5.4 ... dream panigle v4 and h2 🙂
I’ve had 2 Panigales as well! They make lowered seats but you have to make sure you get the right part #. Truly tho if you adjust the preload front and back or change spring if you’re a lightweight rider, you can ride stock seat without a whole lot of issue
woooh saved by the kick stand...
Hey man, awesome video, I made 5 sets of custom links in between those lowering link height and stock. I didn’t want my 2024 so low, and I also didn’t want AL ones as the fatigue life isn’t as good as steel. If you’re interested in a set let me know. I also didn’t like the low speed steering with it being that low. Cheers, Julian
Straight shidded myself during that opening clip 😂
Thought you’d like that one. Didn’t want to ruin the “surprise” when I saw you earlier 😂.
@@ridewithKY Gd dawg 😂
@@ridewithKY the way you stared at the camera 😂😂😂 I’d do the same. Probably need a mental break after that one
@ASBP12 😂😂😂
I bought a front tire chuck when I lowered my RSV4 for that extra bit of safety 😅
You were smarter than me. 😂.
GREAT VIDEO, VERY HELPFUL, PLEASE THESE GREAT HELPFUL VIDEOS COMING!!
Appreciate it! Thank you for watching and so glad the videos have been helpful to you.
@@ridewithKY I also have a 2024 Aprilia RSV4 1100 factory speed white, im thinking about lowering it, are you planning on lowering your Aprilia?
Right on. Those are sweet, love the speed white on the RSV4’s. I am not planning on lowering the RSV4. The RSV4 height is fine for me despite it being the same height on paper as the Pani V4. Either Aprilia’s measurement is wrong or Ducati’s measurement is wrong. V4 is way higher.
Don't forget to adjust the front forks to account for the rear drop bro. Suspension geometry is crucial on bikes, more forgiving on cars. Love the vids! Keep the good content coming. I just picked up the same bike in May and am working at the same pace as you (just took the stock exhaust off last week to wrap the headers with DEI Titanium wrap) and about to put on the Akra slip ons. I also wanted to install the Aella links as I am 5' 7" and kinda have the same stuggles as you. I went from a V2 to this and this is WAY different in terms of height and flickability but the V2 was just too slow for me. I'm in South Florida and we don't have as many twisty roads down here (if any), so i've been on liter bikes for 20+yrs and the V2 wasn't doing it. Looking forward to the next vid!
Aella as well as Dave Moss recommended leaving the front forks alone for this application, so I am going to follow that guidance. If you raise the front forks, that still won’t get you back to stock geometry. Appreciate the support, good luck with whatever method you choose to lower your V4 bro.
@@ridewithKY Gotcha! Dave Moss is the man, so I get that. I'm still going to match the front to back after the Aella install- just to keep the rake on point to the stock config. In other words, if the bike was 35" in the rear and 33" in the front and I go to 34" in the rear, I will bring the front to 32" to match. I get and respect what you're saying, too, though. Subscribed to see the progress!
Yeah man, no problem. I am lucky, as Dave Moss is local to me. The explanation I was given is just because you’ve manipulated the rear suspension to drop 1” for example, that doesn’t mean dropping the front that same amount will get you the same geometry. Dave indicated the more you alter the suspension, the further you get away from the stock geometry. Since this is lowered so little in the rear, it’s better to just leave the front alone. Especially for what I am doing, which is street riding. For track riding, I’d want to put the stock link back. Aella didn’t get into the details like Dave did, but said they would recommend just leaving the front forks alone. Take care man. Good luck with your set up. Not trying to tell you what to do, just sharing what info I’ve been able to gather so far.
Great video thanks, question which bike is taller the panigale v4 or r1? Thanks man
On paper the Yamaha is taller at 33.7". However, for all practical purposes I think the Ducati is just as tall if not taller. As an example, the V4 is supposed to have a 33.5" seat height, which is the same as my RSV4 (on paper). In real life though, the V4 is much taller than the RSV4.
FYI, the 2022+ Panigale V4's are taller than the 2018-2021 V4's. Thank you for watching as always. Hope that helps.
What about the new 30th Anniversary SP2 916. What’s the seat height like on that? Are they as tall as the 1100cc, 2023 SP2?
I’ve never thrown a leg on a 916 SP2. It should be the same height as a V4 though.
any noticeable change in handling after lowering?
I didn’t notice a difference but I just casually ride. I have no doubt the handling was affected but for what I do with this V4, it makes no difference. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing this video. Does it affect the handling? Especially for cornering…
Appreciate you watching. I haven’t noticed any difference in handling although I don’t see how it wouldn’t influence the handling. Any suspension change is definitely going to affect the way the bike handles. It’s just for the type of riding I do, I wouldn’t notice it. Thank you for watching.
I am 5'4" and use daytona boots, which definitely help. Wondering how tall you are since I currently have a v2 and considering to trade for a v4s. Do you think v4s is harder to handle in terms of ergonomics?
I am 5'5". The current V4 is a lot taller than the V2. The V2 is relatively tall, but nothing like a V4. If you want to go to a V4 then you might want to consider a 2020-2021, which had a lower seat height. The current Pani V4 is supposed to have a 33.5" seat height, but I have my doubts. Every motorcycle I've thrown a leg over with a 33.5" seat height, including my 2023 RSV4 feels substantially lower than the current Pani V4. The V4's feel similar height to an R1.
12:49 the heart attack moment
Bro's heart stopped for a few secs I bet
You would be correct 😂. Everybody makes mistakes sometimes.
Do you also move the forks through the triple clamps to level it out or are you just doing the rear?
I just did the rear. AELLA recommended not moving the front forks. I’m no suspension expert, just simply following the guidance of AELLA.
@@ridewithKY have you riden it yet? I’m no expert either but I have had my front forks set too far through my triple clamp in the past after having them serviced. It made the front end really light and wobbly on acceleration due to the arse down head up stance, and my fronts where only 15mm too far through. I dropped them down onto the 3rd ring and the difference was night and day. Bikes are super sensitive to geometry changes. Also in dropping the rear your increasing the head angle by a small amount which will make it harder to turn and make the front tyre want to stand up straight more.
Geometry is important on motorcycles, however, I am going to follow Aella’s recommendation of leaving the front forks alone.
@@ridewithKY ShalomBrother is right @ridewithKY From a safety standpoint, adjust the front, too. I put that in my comment to you as well before I scrolled through the comments below. There are a sh*t ton of videos about superbike geometry so make sure you check those out. That's crazy that AELLA said to not adjust the forks!!! The bike has a "rake" for a reason. CRAZY!!!
Actually Dave moss just told me the same. He said for the amount it’s lowered and for what I’m doing with the bike it’s best to leave the front forks alone…
Did you consider Soupy’s lower g links? They claim up to 3” lower.
Appreciate the suggestion. I do not want to go that low. I also would prefer a fixed height rather than having to mess with an adjustable link. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
I hope u will raise front forks also to keep factory stance
Aella and Dave Moss recommended not to change the front forks.
Does Ducati make a lowered seat for the 2023? Personally, I would've tried that first before changing the geometry of the bike. Looks like you may already have the lowered seat, but not certain.
Ducati makes a lowered seat for street fighters, but not for panigale’s. I thought about trying to make the street fighter seat work, but the subframes are different.
They sell peg extensions to make the kick stand easier to maneuver.
I actually have the Aella one. It did help but it wasn’t appreciable. I’ve also tried the Sato one in the past with the same results.
Would lowering the V2 require all the same removal of exhaust parts?
The v2 suspension is completely different, it would be a different process. However, I’ll say the v2 seat height is pretty manageable. You can’t have too much shorter of an inseam than me and I find the V2 easy to ride as far as seat height and width goes.
that universal looks like me after a few cognacs
That yac 🫨
The older gen panigale v4 are 20-25mm lower than the 2023 model... Do they have different linkages?
To be honest, I don’t know. I’ve tried to do research on this but it’s hard to find reliable information on what’s actually different about the 22+ V4’s that make them so tall. 18-21 is a 32.9” seat height and 22+ is 33.5” seat height. It is a significant difference going to a 22+ MY V4. Even folks that are pretty tall in stature comment on how much higher the seat height is on a 22+ V4.
@@ridewithKY yep its quite tall, if im right ducati made it taller so that it could be more manageable in corners plus back then the WSBK changed the rule with the chassis that it should remain close to stock dimensions...
Great content by the way.. looking forward on seeing more vids 👍👍👍
Appreciate the info. Makes sense… these are race bikes so the preference is performance over comfort. That’s why I see this as a me issue and not a Ducati issue.
Appreciate the info and appreciate the support. Take care and ride safe.
Hey I’m planning on a v2, how tall are you? I’m 5’5 and I’m guessing you’re around 5’4-5’6 as well
I’m 5’5”. You’ll be fine on a V2. They are very narrow and feel light between the legs. For me, my v2 was a lot easier to manage than my v4.
@@ridewithKY thank you for responding much love 🫶🫶🫶
Appreciate it, take care.
Is the v4 higher than the rsv4.
On paper they are the same height but in reality the V4 is a lot higher. I can ride my RSV4 no problem. The V4 was a struggle the entire break-in (600+ miles).
How tall are you?
I am 5’5”
Pull the front forks through by a bit, so you even it out.
I was actually told by Aella as well as a well known suspension tuner to not do that for this application.
Out of curiosity man, if you don't mind me asking. What do you do for work? Beautiful garage and collection!
I appreciate it, thank you! I work in the legal field. What I do is very modest, I’m no hot shot. Thank you for watching and for supporting the channel.
Me right now 😭
haha glad I'm not the only one feeling this pain!
Set the bike up to your statue…these bikes are setup for tall Italian dudes…
Hahaha, gotta do what you gotta do!
Small man problems
😂😂😂
You just short bro it’s not the bikes fault 😂
I mean… that’s what I said in the video…
Dont be a hater bro. He’s at least out here riding and making it to fit for him, I mean it’s his bike 🤷♂️
@johncunanan4486 😂. I appreciate that. Some people have to drag their negativity onto others. Pretty sad existence really. Instead of contributing in a helpful way, they try to make others as miserable as they are.