Other topic. I talked to a couple of MB guys in northern Sweden some days ago at a Ionity charging station charging big prototype sedans at 800V and about 200kw. One guy told me they did not have preheating, and he was not impressed of charging speed of my cold EV6😂
I totally love this video! It's always such a privilege to see Tommy @StateOfChargeEV behind the scenes whether it's with Kyle or Dave @OutofspecDave. Tom has so much knowledge to share and there's always so many stories to go with it. Great stuff as always guys!
I'm not in an EV yet, but this quick and dirty rundown on all the chargers is great! That Emporia unit is something that I'll have to consider when I eventually jump into an EV.
Clearly, Tom is the guru of home EV chargers. Some day, I hope he reviews a few chargers supporting multiple accounts, direct billing, and pricing tiers. These are desperately needed at condominiums / apartments for home charging. I installed and manage an Enel-X Commercial Juicebox. What other brands perform well at a competitive price?
And this is how the first EV rock band gets started, I watched the whole thing ( not all in one sitting) but really nerded out and almost understood 75% of what you two were talking about all do to watching both your channels, awesome.
Same here - I watched the whole video over the course of my Saturday, understood about three quarters, enjoyed it all - most particularly the wall of L2 chargers.
Glad to see you guys hanging out together, you need to hang out more often. Excellent review of ALL of Tom's chargers. Wonder if Tom's ever going to Fort Collins Colorado?
Both of you were fantastic on this video! I listened to EVERY word, had a few laughs with you and learned quite a lot! Thank you Kyle and Tom! One of your best informative videos.....
Unbelievable video. The whole thing is worth watching, especially since it features two of my three favorite EV UA-camrs (only missing Tesla Bjorn). All the best.
Love this video! You two guys are the reason I watch Insideevs. I am looking to do something similar at my house (but maybe on a smaller scale). I definitely need to watch this several times! Thanks Tom and Kyle. Also, Tom if you could throw me in the mix for the next charger giveaway, I would appreciate it ☺️
Great video! Tom is a National Treasure for EV owners and anyone considering the best way to charge at home! Minor quibble: Nissan pioneered vehicle-to-home charging in Japan years ago so Ford isn't actually the first. Also, the tint on Tom's F150 light bar looks sharp!
The advice to use the correct rated TeslaTap is on point. Many don't appreciate the importance of this. I commented on one of Branden Flasch's ID.4 road trip videos that using a 40 amp TeslaTap was risky. He got all bent out of shape. Can't figure out why facts upset folks so much.
Thanks for sharing your set up with us. I've got the same Sunny Boy inverter installed in 2007, still going strong. Neither of our EVs will do V2G, so I may go down the battery storage route.
Excellent I love hearing about all you discussed. I'm very interested in home backup. I like the videos that both Tom and Kyle put out. It's very helpful. It was excellent to see both of you putting out this video. Put out some more together that cover in depth subjects like this.
Loved this cross-collab between these two pros. Thanks for the insights and the tours. And wow, that's a lot of EVSEs! It was really interesting to watch Tom go through each one and talk quickly about pros/cons. That could be a great once-a-year video: Tom summarizes his charging wall in today's market context.
Love the clipper creek units. Half of the ones I find in Minnesota or Wisconsin are covered in snow/ice this time of year and I have yet to be disappointed. I have a grizzl-e avalanche edition installed outside that is currently covered in snow and works great and has all winter. Tom had the only good review of it on UA-cam at the time I bought it. Great video guys
So cool to see Tom interviewed. I watch his content all the time. Great weekend morning coffee time spent. Cool to see a vid shot from him as the guest but in his lair. Thx. Enjoyed greatly. You two rock.
Ha! Made it through all of the video (in segments). Solar with battery backup is a great solution. The battery can be fixed like the Powerwall or any other fixed battery & portable battery backup in the form of a vehicle is a great solution to distributed power. At some point there will be 2nd life EV batteries used in stationary battery applications in homes. Thanks Tom for the through explanation of his get 1 system. Long, but worth it.
There is a small college close to my place that has a free to use Clipper Creek charger. That thing is 10 years old and never goes down. So reliable and sturdy.
Great content. I learn something every time. There will shortly be a CCS to J-plug adapter for those older vehicles I'm sure. My problem with mobile charging is always the FMC over heating. Am hoping Tom will start testing at 100 degrees F too. Hopefully most of the after market stuff handles it like a champ.
Awesome video. Love the collaboration between two channels. The charge station pro is awesome. FORD really knew their customers would want to be able to charge their trucks to full every night even if it was just 8-9 hours at home. Also the Home integration system is very cool. Expensive for a back up system BUT if you are going solar anyway, any 10 kw inverter you will get is actually at least half of the whole cost of the home integration system components and you can opt to get a 10 kw inverter even though Tom only got a 4 kw. I know this because I have a lightning, I purchased the back up system, they sent me a 4KW inverter and I returned it for a 10 kw one.
When power goes out it’s typically very regional, for example, if my power is out even for several days it’s typically not out at work in town and vice versa albeit for a much shorter timeframe. Tom you have touched on this before. So that being said the system we are building counts on a very small lithium battery 5-6 KWH that serves a critical load (refrigeration outlets and lighting) sub panel through an inverter charger. The Lightning is being set up through the 30A, 240 outlet in the bed to plug into a generator transfer switch that feeds the primary panel. By night the Lightning runs all loads in the house with some management, including the charger to bring the critical load battery back to full. By day the critical load battery keeps the food cold the internet on while the Lightning is recharging at work. If work is out also, we are still covered for three days.
I bought the Chargepoint unit on your recommendation Tom and I'm very happy with it. And I specifically remember your comment about the cord staying flexible in freezing weather. Thank you. On a different note, Kyle, you were going to buy a Lightning? And, if I remember correctly, you have a Taycan on order? Jeez, how do you afford to own all these expensive vehicles??? Do you have a side job you're not telling us about?
Tom and Kyle, I am one of those that installed the Ford HIS via SunRun. I have existing SunPower solar panels that provide AC via microinverters. Realizing that our new Lightning would require more KWH, we added an additional eight SunRun DC panels(these run through the Delta bidirectional). Although the HIS does function when power is lost, it only does so if we manually disconnect the SunRun panels(via bottom switch of the Delta). If the SunRun panels remain connected, every backed-up circuit flashes with interrmittent power. SunRun has yet to figure out how to make it function properly.
I'd love to be able to sit down for a 3 hour geek out session with you guys about this set up as I'm very interested. Please keep videos like this coming.
I LOVE THIS episode! A quick walkthrough of so many Level 2 chargers. I'm all about Level 2 charging. Too much attention is given to fast charging in my opinion.
We have a Clipper Creek I put in for our 2017 Bolt. Great service & unit still servicing our Bolt & now I use it at home for the Rivian. It is outdoors under the solar panels. We charge during the lowest rate times.
I had one of the earlier Juicebox's that wasn't a smart unit. I plugged mine in to my welder plug and charged my 500e at 30A with it. No connectivity, but it always worked. I remember you set the max current with a potentiometer inside the unit.
A good solar controller reads the battery and cuts back on what it passes to the system. The nice thing about DC power is that many different sources can input at the same time if they match the system voltage. Great system. RV solar/ battery systems work the same way. Get a few Lithium batteries and build your own "power wall" type system.
Randomly dropping a 30 second safety tip 43mins into an hour and sixteen minutes video and then other one later on. XD Thanks for the non-hardwired charged tips! I've let Dad know he needs to replace the powerpoint yearly. He upgraded the powerpoint around the first week we got the car so at least it's easy to know how old it is.
I have 11kw at home for my id3, but use it at 5,5kw. That’s really fast enough for that car and it is the most efficient (no cooling required) speed. Slower and the inverter starts to eat the efficiency, and faster needs active cooling.
We bought the Emporia for our Bolt EUV. It had to be hard wired for us to get the .07 cents per kwh from our utility. Plus we got $1000 toward the $3700 to install the separate electric meter. Lots of money up front to get that low electric rate. I wonder if we'll ever break even.
Being retired and living in a community where we can walk to most of the services we need I put about 4-5,000 miles a year on our vehicle. There are days it never leaves the driveway. There are many in our community of 24,000 that fit my driving profile. I am pretty confident we will do just fine with level 1 charging thus I was strongly considering the Clipper Creek for it’s quality and safety ratings. The new Grizzl-e mini appears to be a step up from the CC.
11:00 - I do wish Rivian had done a "grille opening" frunk. I use my frunk for all the "stuff" - all the charging gear, offroading gear, emergency gear, snow socks, etc. With a cargo organizer holding it all, leaving a "big compartment" for other stuff. I use the gear tunnel for groceries and other "as needed" hauling.
We have a propane fired generator as our backup power in the Santa Cruz mountains. And we just had major outages there with wind gusts to 70MPH and consistent 50MPH winds. Slides took out the main highway from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz, oaks came down across power lines and flood levels blocked whatever was left. The genset handled it all. The natural gas generator is the way we would have gone if we had gas lines to our neighborhood because it would not be dependent on truck delivery of propane. But, as you said, gas can be shut off during an earthquake which can be more devastating and longer lasting as to damage than trees and slides.
That basement is way more complicated than my Solar, Gateway, and Powerwall system. Interesting! I hope Tesla adds V2G and makes it a simple add on with Powerwalls.
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It’s a long one but it’s for the nerds! Thanks for having us over, Tom. This was so much fun ⚡️
Long, but solid. I’ve learned a ton from you guys. Loving my MYLR 👍
I watched to the end. The solar generation back up power. I also have a 60 Amp Tesla mini tap.
Other topic. I talked to a couple of MB guys in northern Sweden some days ago at a Ionity charging station charging big prototype sedans at 800V and about 200kw. One guy told me they did not have preheating, and he was not impressed of charging speed of my cold EV6😂
Awesome show.
Watched the whole thing and now watching the state of charge video. Always love the videos and info. Keep up the good work!
Love Kyle's senior moment as he's looking at the Lucid charging and asks if it will charge a non Lightning :)
My two favorite EV nerds, nerding out together. Enjoyed every minute of it.
Love Tom!! He’s literally the reason I chose to buy a Lucid Air after he tested one. He’s awesome!
Thank you!
The collab I never knew I needed
Obviously I dont know Tom but from watching all his videos he seems like one of the nicest guys in the world
Thank you
Man, this was the best team up since Batman and Superman!!! Really good work guys, great video.
two of my favorites, nerding out, and Tom what a garage and basement! great stuff!
I totally love this video! It's always such a privilege to see Tommy @StateOfChargeEV behind the scenes whether it's with Kyle or Dave @OutofspecDave. Tom has so much knowledge to share and there's always so many stories to go with it. Great stuff as always guys!
Laughed out loud at 48:45 when you say "If you have time, of course you have time if your still watching this." Hilarious!
It was worthwhile watching just for the general feedback of EVSEs and then saving the home backup system for last. Really Cool
Great episode guys! Lots of good honest information
I'm not in an EV yet, but this quick and dirty rundown on all the chargers is great! That Emporia unit is something that I'll have to consider when I eventually jump into an EV.
camera work was done really well
Love the nerd level with you two.
Clearly, Tom is the guru of home EV chargers. Some day, I hope he reviews a few chargers supporting multiple accounts, direct billing, and pricing tiers. These are desperately needed at condominiums / apartments for home charging. I installed and manage an Enel-X Commercial Juicebox. What other brands perform well at a competitive price?
Thanks for the visit, Tom. amazing conversation. Sat through every commercial. You’re welcome, Kyle. Keep up the great content.
And this is how the first EV rock band gets started, I watched the whole thing ( not all in one sitting) but really nerded out and almost understood 75% of what you two were talking about all do to watching both your channels, awesome.
Same here - I watched the whole video over the course of my Saturday, understood about three quarters, enjoyed it all - most particularly the wall of L2 chargers.
Thanks for the tour of Tom’s Wall of Fame!
This is one of the best EV videos to date in 2023 😂
Glad to see you guys hanging out together, you need to hang out more often. Excellent review of ALL of Tom's chargers. Wonder if Tom's ever going to Fort Collins Colorado?
I will when Kyle opens up his new garage.
I don't own a house, I don't have an EV, but I watched this entire video... Congratulations for putting together this video!
This is my new favorite UA-cam video
You and Tom make a great EV media duo (and Martyn and Dom too of course). Great video and hopefully you guys get to collab more often.
Both of you were fantastic on this video! I listened to EVERY word, had a few laughs with you and learned quite a lot! Thank you Kyle and Tom! One of your best informative videos.....
Unbelievable video. The whole thing is worth watching, especially since it features two of my three favorite EV UA-camrs (only missing Tesla Bjorn). All the best.
Wow. I loved it too. Thanks gentleman. Happily been watching you both for about 2-3 year or more. All the best. Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤
Love this video! You two guys are the reason I watch Insideevs. I am looking to do something similar at my house (but maybe on a smaller scale). I definitely need to watch this several times! Thanks Tom and Kyle. Also, Tom if you could throw me in the mix for the next charger giveaway, I would appreciate it ☺️
Great video! Tom is a National Treasure for EV owners and anyone considering the best way to charge at home! Minor quibble: Nissan pioneered vehicle-to-home charging in Japan years ago so Ford isn't actually the first. Also, the tint on Tom's F150 light bar looks sharp!
Tom's wall is a museum of home chargers. He will be able to charge admission in years to come to all EV geeks.
The Ford Lightning Frunk is such a great design. Lower load in.
The advice to use the correct rated TeslaTap is on point. Many don't appreciate the importance of this.
I commented on one of Branden Flasch's ID.4 road trip videos that using a 40 amp TeslaTap was risky. He got all bent out of shape. Can't figure out why facts upset folks so much.
Do love my Emporia charger. Also, really feeling the tint on the Lightning.
I reckon this is my best 1 hour 16 mins and 23 secs ev education...
thank you so much and keep up the excellent videos...🎉
Woah, hold up now… @2:38 did you really just say NOS equipped with CRX, and twin turbo RX7?! I have a completely newfound respect for you Tom!👍
Yep - and I had a Delorean for a while😁
Thanks for sharing your set up with us. I've got the same Sunny Boy inverter installed in 2007, still going strong. Neither of our EVs will do V2G, so I may go down the battery storage route.
Excellent
I love hearing about all you discussed. I'm very interested in home backup.
I like the videos that both Tom and Kyle put out. It's very helpful. It was excellent to see both of you putting out this video. Put out some more together that cover in depth subjects like this.
Loved this cross-collab between these two pros. Thanks for the insights and the tours. And wow, that's a lot of EVSEs! It was really interesting to watch Tom go through each one and talk quickly about pros/cons. That could be a great once-a-year video: Tom summarizes his charging wall in today's market context.
Great tour, the length was appropriate for the content! 👍🏻
I loved this video. I learn so much about electric cars. I will be so prepared once I am able to get one
Loved this video!! Thanks Kyle, Tom and Anna!
Learned quite a bit for those of us just getting into this sphere - Thanks!
Tinting on the Lightning looks good 👍
Love the clipper creek units. Half of the ones I find in Minnesota or Wisconsin are covered in snow/ice this time of year and I have yet to be disappointed.
I have a grizzl-e avalanche edition installed outside that is currently covered in snow and works great and has all winter. Tom had the only good review of it on UA-cam at the time I bought it. Great video guys
So cool to see Tom interviewed. I watch his content all the time. Great weekend morning coffee time spent. Cool to see a vid shot from him as the guest but in his lair. Thx. Enjoyed greatly. You two rock.
Ha! Made it through all of the video (in segments). Solar with battery backup is a great solution. The battery can be fixed like the Powerwall or any other fixed battery & portable battery backup in the form of a vehicle is a great solution to distributed power. At some point there will be 2nd life EV batteries used in stationary battery applications in homes. Thanks Tom for the through explanation of his get 1 system. Long, but worth it.
That wasn't boring at all. Watched every minute
Watched the whole thing. You guys are not boring!
Yep. We got our JuiceBox for about 100 bucks. Our county paid for the rest.
wow, fantastic tour and explanations! Thanks to both of you!
There is a small college close to my place that has a free to use Clipper Creek charger. That thing is 10 years old and never goes down. So reliable and sturdy.
That was nerdericious!
Awesome, thanks.
Great content. I learn something every time. There will shortly be a CCS to J-plug adapter for those older vehicles I'm sure. My problem with mobile charging is always the FMC over heating. Am hoping Tom will start testing at 100 degrees F too. Hopefully most of the after market stuff handles it like a champ.
Wow... That is amazing. Thanks for this.
Awesome video. Love the collaboration between two channels. The charge station pro is awesome. FORD really knew their customers would want to be able to charge their trucks to full every night even if it was just 8-9 hours at home. Also the Home integration system is very cool. Expensive for a back up system BUT if you are going solar anyway, any 10 kw inverter you will get is actually at least half of the whole cost of the home integration system components and you can opt to get a 10 kw inverter even though Tom only got a 4 kw. I know this because I have a lightning, I purchased the back up system, they sent me a 4KW inverter and I returned it for a 10 kw one.
Thanks Tom and Kyle, love the nerdy stuff!
When power goes out it’s typically very regional, for example, if my power is out even for several days it’s typically not out at work in town and vice versa albeit for a much shorter timeframe. Tom you have touched on this before. So that being said the system we are building counts on a very small lithium battery 5-6 KWH that serves a critical load (refrigeration outlets and lighting) sub panel through an inverter charger. The Lightning is being set up through the 30A, 240 outlet in the bed to plug into a generator transfer switch that feeds the primary panel. By night the Lightning runs all loads in the house with some management, including the charger to bring the critical load battery back to full. By day the critical load battery keeps the food cold the internet on while the Lightning is recharging at work. If work is out also, we are still covered for three days.
Good job on tinting the light bar. If I ever got a Lightning that is the first thing I'd do.
Great video!
Tom is so knowledgeable!
Tinted light bar 👌
I guess I’m officially a nerd. Thank you guys so much !
I bought the Chargepoint unit on your recommendation Tom and I'm very happy with it. And I specifically remember your comment about the cord staying flexible in freezing weather. Thank you.
On a different note, Kyle, you were going to buy a Lightning? And, if I remember correctly, you have a Taycan on order? Jeez, how do you afford to own all these expensive vehicles??? Do you have a side job you're not telling us about?
This is one heck of a great video guys …… Thanks!
You guys are having WAY too much fun! Great info.
Thanks for the tour
I must be weird because I love every minutes of it especially when kyle ask if he the Ford charger would work on his Rivian Truck. that was funny .
That was really great. Thanks guys!
Just got the black emporia and it looks a lot better. Cable seems better than my Rivian brand charger.
Tesla’s Wall Connector for $425 is a bargain! Best option by far
Really enjoyed this one.
Great video Kyle. Love When you and Tom get together. Beautiful House Tom.
Tom and Kyle, I am one of those that installed the Ford HIS via SunRun. I have existing SunPower solar panels that provide AC via microinverters. Realizing that our new Lightning would require more KWH, we added an additional eight SunRun DC panels(these run through the Delta bidirectional). Although the HIS does function when power is lost, it only does so if we manually disconnect the SunRun panels(via bottom switch of the Delta). If the SunRun panels remain connected, every backed-up circuit flashes with interrmittent power. SunRun has yet to figure out how to make it function properly.
I enjoyed the hell out of this. Thanks guys
Geeking out on home charging, love it!! ⚡⚡
Excellent Episode. Really appreciate the detail!
eMotorWerks is right here in my home town of San Carlos, which is also the founding city of Tesla. I also have an early JuiceBox EVSE too.
I'd love to be able to sit down for a 3 hour geek out session with you guys about this set up as I'm very interested. Please keep videos like this coming.
Tom has a geeked-out video on his channel “State of Charge”
@@lemongavine hi
Thanks, this was my first intro to all these chargers. Great video!!
Commendable Competence; Elaborate Multiplicity.
Great video, loved it! Great looking basement,
I LOVE THIS episode! A quick walkthrough of so many Level 2 chargers. I'm all about Level 2 charging. Too much attention is given to fast charging in my opinion.
We have a Clipper Creek I put in for our 2017 Bolt. Great service & unit still servicing our Bolt & now I use it at home for the Rivian. It is outdoors under the solar panels. We charge during the lowest rate times.
I had one of the earlier Juicebox's that wasn't a smart unit. I plugged mine in to my welder plug and charged my 500e at 30A with it. No connectivity, but it always worked. I remember you set the max current with a potentiometer inside the unit.
I have one of those boxes also - I charge my EV using a NEMA 6-20 plug on a 20A circuit.
A good solar controller reads the battery and cuts back on what it passes to the system. The nice thing about DC power is that many different sources can input at the same time if they match the system voltage. Great system. RV solar/ battery systems work the same way. Get a few Lithium batteries and build your own "power wall" type system.
If you use your truck for backup, after a few days, you can always go to a fast charger and pickup a few more days of electricity.
This is the ultimate scooby doo and Batman crossover episode
Randomly dropping a 30 second safety tip 43mins into an hour and sixteen minutes video and then other one later on. XD Thanks for the non-hardwired charged tips! I've let Dad know he needs to replace the powerpoint yearly. He upgraded the powerpoint around the first week we got the car so at least it's easy to know how old it is.
Saving this one to watch later- love the nerdy videos!
It would be useful to learn about the 25W DC chargers that are popping up for home and business use.
Big fan of collabs ❤
Awesome video! Great work!
I have 11kw at home for my id3, but use it at 5,5kw. That’s really fast enough for that car and it is the most efficient (no cooling required) speed. Slower and the inverter starts to eat the efficiency, and faster needs active cooling.
I am still rocking my OpenEVSE. I event converted it over to Tesla. :)
We bought the Emporia for our Bolt EUV. It had to be hard wired for us to get the .07 cents per kwh from our utility. Plus we got $1000 toward the $3700 to install the separate electric meter. Lots of money up front to get that low electric rate. I wonder if we'll ever break even.
Very interesting and watched the entire video. Thank you for the video.
The two "Titans" of the EVolution.. !
Looking forward to your testing the Grizzl-e Mini charger.
Being retired and living in a community where we can walk to most of the services we need I put about 4-5,000 miles a year on our vehicle. There are days it never leaves the driveway. There are many in our community of 24,000 that fit my driving profile. I am pretty confident we will do just fine with level 1 charging thus I was strongly considering the Clipper Creek for it’s quality and safety ratings. The new Grizzl-e mini appears to be a step up from the CC.
11:00 - I do wish Rivian had done a "grille opening" frunk. I use my frunk for all the "stuff" - all the charging gear, offroading gear, emergency gear, snow socks, etc. With a cargo organizer holding it all, leaving a "big compartment" for other stuff. I use the gear tunnel for groceries and other "as needed" hauling.
We have a propane fired generator as our backup power in the Santa Cruz mountains. And we just had major outages there with wind gusts to 70MPH and consistent 50MPH winds. Slides took out the main highway from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz, oaks came down across power lines and flood levels blocked whatever was left. The genset handled it all. The natural gas generator is the way we would have gone if we had gas lines to our neighborhood because it would not be dependent on truck delivery of propane. But, as you said, gas can be shut off during an earthquake which can be more devastating and longer lasting as to damage than trees and slides.
That basement is way more complicated than my Solar, Gateway, and Powerwall system. Interesting! I hope Tesla adds V2G and makes it a simple add on with Powerwalls.