LIVE: RTX 3090 Overclocking (Air & Liquid Nitrogen)
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2020
- This stream does two things: One, we're testing frequency vs. temperature GPU Boost scaling, two we're overclocking the RTX 3090 FTW3 on air to see if it's useful for an eventual competitive card.
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We will be using the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 for this overclocking effort. We will also be testing the RTX 3090 Founders Edition card for frequency scaling versus temperature (not overclocking, just GPU Boost alone).
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Host: Steve Burke
Video: Andrew Coleman - Ігри
“I’m gonna keep my mouth shut until I can do more research because I don’t want to put bad info out there” this is one of the large reasons I watch this channel. Everything I have seen from Steve is incredibly solid and I absolutely dig it.
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It’s more important to know when you don’t know than to know when you know
Well, when you finally get to look into it, call them out for cheaping out a few $ on a $500 card
More like he's afraid someone will crucify him online if he messes up.
@@someoneelse7629 x,c,:v,",b, :,,,,:.:,,,",,.;,
UA-cam keeps starting this video when im asleep….
I was sleeping too. But it was a good sleep 😎
Me 2 just woke up
Same
Same just woke up too lmao
Sameer
You didn’t need LN2 fog or an AC. You needed to set the RGB to blue.
But isn't Red LEDs faster than Blue LEDs???
also I don't get RGB adds FPS, when my PC is on RGB Rainbow FPS is up & down all over the place, but when my LEDs are set to RED I get constant MAX FPS 😁
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@@me_and_me_ stop spamming chats
Blue RGB hurts my eyes. Red doesn't kill night vision.
shane eslick
He was trying to make it colder. Everyone knows blue is colder than red.
In the words of his previous stream:
Yeah we can hear you fine
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I love how tech tubers all reference each other - less about competition more about mutual support and benefit to the wider community.
More about who has the information.
The more information you have, the less you want to share.
Those who share, get a shout out.
Jay, Steve and Vince, all play like theyre stiving to be badasses, but theyre just decent dudes who love tech.
@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed, but I don't think it is proprietary information so its not like knowledge is power. It is more polite and respectful whereas i see other communnities where people bandwagon each others content as their own. I like that rather than regurgitate content or positions they say "Jay has a good video on this..." or "Check out Roman's cooling solution".
They are the ones with the 3000 series cards. It's like a big flex on us plebs.
Because they can circle jerk each other all day laughing at us who don't and can't get a graphics card.
@@agrojester1156 stfu with your salty ass comments.
Go geta job, then you can pay whatever it takes to play whatever shitty game you wish you could run.
Moron.
18:37 "sounds like a bandsaw.." and camera zooms onto the paper getting nibbled at by the fan lol
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Yes, the big tank that says liquid nitrogen on it, is infact liquid nitrogen. Great question, chat.
It does not say liquid nitrogen though. Only nitrogen.
One thing i noticed is that streamers usually pick the stupidest questions to answer, and legit good questions get ignored most of the time
@@broklond I suppose it could be filled with gas. Just like the heads of anyone needing clarification on which state the nitrogen is in. 🤣
@@broklond use your best judgment...
lol room temp nitrogen is just air, like why would we put it in a tank you breath 70% nitro.
I love Steve vs Jay competitions! Two of my favorite UA-cam channels.
Jay is insufferable. A manchild. How can anyone like him is beyond me.
Panteleymon Schekochikhin-Krestovozdvizhenskiy some people can’t stand Linus vice versa
I don't like Jay at all. He doesn't have any information, all his videos are full of dumb jokes.
I like linus, jayz2c and GN. I have to be in the mood and focused for GN videos tho. Easy to get lost if you're not paying attention 😂
Rishil Kadakia : but he likes ‚CABLE MANAGEMENT‘. It’s his thing.
I just keep rewatching these. I enjoy listening to your rambling while working, sleeping & eating
Wish I could have been there for this one!.. Great job as always broski!
I feel like I gained 10 IQ points from witnessing that cardboard shipping tube used to keep the superlong ethernet cable organized.
Steve only hires people with simillar hair to his..
Your voice just calmed the hell out of my dog. He was acting crazy all night! Thanks man
DUDE! i love your channel. You guys are the best. I listen to you and linus and others while I work from home. Thank you for making my days bareable with great content
Your videos are always excellent. Keep it up!
Really interesting to finally see a nitrogen over clocking of a GPU, always thought it was a parlour trick, but I get it a little bit more now, and that it has a legitimate place in demonstrating GPU, and CPU overclocking.
What i really learned from this stream - if you need a fan for a short time, use a screwdriver as a stand 👍
"If you have a 30 series, hello to my fellow UA-camrs." /dead
I feel alienated
Man I remember the old days when Over Clocking actually meant something, you could get real performance boosts out of GPU's and CPU's back then. Now, the cards run at max boost by themselves so OCing is pretty meaningless.
That's a good thing. I found that out with my 3700x.
The algorithm of heat/clock/voltage are so tight, that my final "stable" overclocks end up so close to what the boost can do that it's the first time i just let it "boost" itself. I had a hard time understand this the first time i came across "boost" in gpu.
The little bit extra i could push out, barely equated to any real life performance gain.
I doubled my score in 3dmark 2001 with my GeForce 3 ti200 from Asus with air-cooling alone. It was faster then the slower GeForce 4 cards... Great times.
I mean.. You can OC CPUs to 5ghz+++ on air and gpus by 5-10% core and same memory. RAM goes from 2400 to 3000 and stuff like that... It's not free 10x performance but what is the expectation here? You pay for something and you get more... For free.
And the Athlon XP 1700+ juihib stepping ♥️
Just undervolt
So happy I decided to watch this now, managed to jump on the mouse mat! I had just emailed you guys about that the other day, I was expecting it to be a christmas present to me from me. Thanks! looking forward to RIPGN/Jayz
Edit: got it on Friday, this thing is great!
I always wanted to put my PC outside when it's -40 and see what my temps would be. Or at least intake cold air from inside through a window or something. Too worried about damaging my parts though.
I'm not an hardware expert but if you take the PC outside be sure to check the humidity, maybe if you live in a dry place it can work! Good luck.
@@L30x It is pretty dry here but I wouldn't risk it 😅
@@L30x He can make a sealed plastic-glass box and put the PC in it, no air will go in or out from it so in the box will be left only the air with normal humidity from the room he used to assemble it, the environmental temperature will do it's job and cool off the box.
The main issue tho, is that -40 degrees is too low for the PC to boot up so he has to heat the PC first and keep it around 0-5 degrees celsius (if he did mean celsius and not fahrenheit).
@@saturnity6 yes it can. enough to damage a pc
@@nobody8685 Air inside this box would already contain water in it
When the cards released i think the power circuitry was an issue with certain brands. Not sure if this was fixed but 2 months later ive picked up an EVGA RTX3090 Gaming ULTRA and it has two of the weaker caps. Even though it draws the most power stock. Whatever optimisations needed to happen have obviously taken place as my card has been fine(the card lasted just over a month, i went with the asus tuf 3090). Although if i dont set a fps limit the card will crash to desktop when streaming. ^^
12:20 & 1:26:04 are an example of the correct BoM caps to use to prevent power noise at higher clock frequencies. Some cards unfortunately did not realize the importance of these little caps.
3:32:33 is an example of the use of all MCLL caps.
Edit: There are different types of POSCAPS 220's and 470's and 330's - Higher number has more top voltage (operating range) that also added noise (specific filtering). I used 470's when I replaced the old caps on my PS3 60GB.
1:59:09 Steve reads the official statement from EVGA
2:01:00 Example of pre production with no MCLL caps from EVGA.
Thank you sir
Higher capacitance value doesn't mean it can operate at a higher voltage. The voltage rating is what determines the voltage it can operate at. The capacitance determines the amount of charge the capacitor can carry and therefore the amount of noise filtering it can provide.
@@audaxxx4202 indeed thank you for clarifying that. Does that in turn mean if a capacitor can carry more charge and during that charging cycle results in more noise? Or is it a unique way interfere by harmonious waveform that may cause some sort of destructive frequency in the GPU?
I just got lucky and found one of these cards in stock at a micro center today (bought it). As I was walking around in the store there was a fella on the phone talking with a friend of his asking the friend if he wanted him to buy the card. As he was doing this I began looking for a store rep to help me get the card out of the locked compartment so I can buy it. 😁
Lol nice! I backordered one here in Canada and it shipped like 5 days later. Couldn't believe how lucky I got!
you lucky bastard
You have integrity and that's one of the main reasons I come here.
The mad scientist experiments are another.
What is the max power draw on the Evga Rtx 3090 ftw3 on O.C. mod when you max out the power slider? Haven't heard any info about that on video.
Gamers Nexus such a sympathical Dude!! Greets from Europe :D
“Just vaseline for insulation” @4:35 Nailed it. Just learning the ropes. 🤣
G'day Steve & Andrew,
Awesome camera work on the 8K FPS counter in Quake II Andrew,
nVIDIA: Frames wins games
also nVIDIA: we are first with 8K gaming with the RTX3090, Look 12FPS using LN2
That shirt is bad ass. Still waiting on mine to come in the mail. Your people assured me its coming.
Just watched this whole vid and have no clue at all how 4 hours just went that fast
Am currently sleeping through it
UA-cam always brings me to this video once I start falling asleep.
1:23:20 di0eelectric grease is just silicone grease and when sold by that name you can get large amounts for cheap. its also O-ring grease.
I can hear you!
it might be over kill but after a re paste i've almost always taken a shop light ya know the handheld block type set on the table then check the card again lookin for light between the gpu&cooler
Loved the stream, I have a 1070 strix, I am thinking of the new 3080 strix, but now I'm worried about these capacitors issue.
3080 STRIX (as well as TUF) has 6 sets of MLCCs, no POSCAPS. Check der8auer for his STRIX "quick look" teardown vid. He doesn't talk about it, but you can see the capacitors on the card's backside around the 4 minute mark of the video.
@@efovex thanks!
For the person asking why Steve uses vas instead of dielectric grease, is price... Same functionality, but vas is WAY cheaper, lol.
Dielectric grease isn't practical, cost wise for high volume like routine LN2 overclocking.
Wow just casually pouring liquid nitrogen into multiple bottles with no protective gloves on his hands 😅 no fear!
Liquid nitrogen won't burn you with brief hand contact. The Leidenfrost Effect + water's heat capacity means humans can (briefly) touch things like molten metal streams without being burned. The King of Random has a video on here of him throwing it into his own face.
You do want to wear gloves when handling liquid N2 if exposure can occur while grasping or carrying something heavy or over long distances, if only because you'll tend to clench rather than do a careful set down. Also, you definitely do NOT want to wear just *any* gloves. They'll trap the stuff and burn you.
Awesome video. So cool to watch you do this stuff. I tried to buy the tool kit but it says it’s back ordered to mid January???? That sucks. But awesome channel thx for the content
Right ON !
I got a first edition GN mouse mat the moment they first were announced and _still_ have yet to finish the mod I started months ago :-/
Amazing to think i was watching this before i could even get a 3090, and now i've had one for well over a year.. Yikes! Where did 2021 go, bro?
This live was truly amazing
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I'm definitely gonna overclock my thermal paste.
3:02:11 Ohoho, look it's me! Thanks for answering my question.
To those wondering, yes an 8700k @5GHz will be bottlenecked by the 3090. Looks to be by around ~4-10%
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I always wake up to gamernexus overclocking some shit on stream lmao
Your videos are somehow a better fight against insomnia than a valorant stream
Get one of those cheap window a/c units, gut it and put the evaporator right in front of the gpu with a bunch of fans on it.
what screen are you using here in the stream? it looks awesome.
Yes you sound great
YOOOOO! Hilltop Hoods! Shout out from the "City Of Light" Seriously though, that totally caught me off guard, locally I wouldn't bat an eyelid at someone being a Hoods fan it's practically expected :P , they're straight up legends here in their home town of Adelaide, but it always excites me a little to see an international fan, not that I don't know they've done well abroad, it's just a little different is all.
@Gamers Nexus have you ever considered using a hydrophobic fluid to seal your hardware from water at a nano level
You could get an extra 100Mhz on the GPU with an RGB strip on the PSU.
No, you multiply the eyes by one another: 12fps x 12fps = 144fps - Boom.
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FPS ²
If I let UA-cam just play, it always plays this video eventually.
same
same lmao
same bro
Yep same this is how I ended up here. 😅
Congratulations on 1 million subs!!! Love the T shirt!!!
I have one of the shirts i've never worn it. I keep it in the back of your closet. I've been with you since 600,000 subs. No one can beat your technical experience. You fkn owned Linus. That was kinda funny to me. He knows your always right.
"prices might go down over time" woo. Those were the days
is that a uline industrrial packing table with maple top
How much was the peak power consumption?
I was just thinking. If you used CO2 instead of nitrogen, you could still cool the chip while enriching the indoor atmosphere for growing certain types of plants.
Thanks
Steve is a man of culture liking Trivium
Oh yes!!! #RIPJAY vs #RIPGN is on baby!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Can't wait for the liquid cooled on ice / dry ice and the grand finale on liquid Nitrogen!!! 🥶
Thanks!
3:02:15 epic cool reaction to the frozen safety valve 😂👌
Do you think some of the add in board partners will start to adopt Nvidia's new split cooler design by making the back half of the cooler a blower style to remove some heat completely out the back and then using the front fan or "fans" to blow the remaining heat out the sides instead of Nvidia's pass-through design? :/
One question, I know its not about this card, a 2060sc at what temps should be the best???
GIMME SOME TOTS!!! I remember a post on Twitter I think? Where you and Joe were eating tots but I doubt that's where it started. I'm guessing it was in full swing by then.
Just curious why he didn't raise the voltage slider when he did the air overclocking. I have the evga 3090 ftw3 ultra and I have it raised, now I'm thinking should I lower it back.
Regarding the plastic backplate: you might actually be surprised. I'm not saying it works, but don't discount it on principle; look up AN11113 from Nexperia regarding thermal design for LFPAK MOSFETs. It's now obsoleted as a design guide, but the data remains interesting. They tested black plastic, bare aluminum, and black anodized aluminum as enclosure materials in contact with the PCB assembly and found that plastic still has a significant heat sinking effect particularly in topside configurations, and may actually outperform polished aluminum in some circumstances due to superior radiation.
At least Stov paid for all the Liquid Nitrogen on the floor 😅
Sweet!
I'm assuming my i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz, would throttle any new gen GPU whether it's the Nvidia 3000 series or AMD Big Navi series. I have a Samsung Odyssey G7 2k 240hz monitor. Looking to run games at 2k max settings. Currently have a RTX 2060 super.
I’m so skimpy with my materials. Steve triggers my metaphorical OCD every time he dumps a gallon of nitrogen on the floor rather than just use a fat funnel or something.
not as crazy as the A/c hook-up but close😄
Dang missed this,,, QQ.
Props
lol thought ln2 was flamable but it was somethin else i was thinkin of was like noooo don't blow your face up lol
Too bad everything I wanted to get on your website it on back order till January. Though your videos will help with the time delay.
First I've seen this video. Cool stuff even if it's 3 years ago. 🤙 Still rocking my 1070 to this day. (I really need to lay her down to rest.)
@GN how come when Linus played doom on an 8K tv it looked waaaay "smoother" and had a locked 60~ fps frame rate? yet under LN2 on a pc rig, it struggles to hit over 15?
Wasnt linus playing without rtx, and GN with rtx?
No RTX and the doom/8k experience was heavily optimized. Linus said on WAN show that the TV was useless for anything else and a $300 TV had more features
Ok, so noticed Gamer Nexus’s FTW3 has 2 MLCC’s on the PCB (better than most but it’s no ASUS TUF). Question is will we see ASUS TUF’s with 6 MLCC’s on the GPU PCB breaking the records?
Just an observation about your online store as of 9/26. You probably should remove the note that the Medium Modmats are in stock and shipping. It's the first thing I saw and was thinking of purchasing one but haven't seen the "Sold Out" change for a while.
This dude is a genius
When you were pushing the memory speeds, wouldn't it always apply even if it's erroring with this G6X VRAM? Or is it still possible to crash the card and it only handles artifacting? Jc
not always, but mostly it would worsen performence, because it takes more cycles to error correct.
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me and me shut up already
Did this score even get submitted? I cant find it on the leaderboard...
We can hear you Steve
The UA-cam channel "Tech Ingredients" built a cheap anechoic chamber that works pretty well!
it pumps it directly into the visual cortex lmao
Can I use CPU thermal paste on a 3090 GPU? Specifically, noctua NT-H2
That moment when Steve talks about messing around with 'old hardware' and lists the components in your daily driver....
Why do this vid always pop up lol i have literally watched/listened 30 times
oh dude if you could give pointers on reg & services disables for windows 10 that'd
be awesome
Here are excerpts from a couple of Igor's Lab articles on the 3080/90 ...
"Igor's Lab Aug 27, 2020 = NVIDIA has also completely sealed off the evaluation drivers this time. I don’t even think Furmark, let alone Time Spy, is running anymore, but only NVPunish (a stress testing program) for the thermal tests... from a board partner’s point of view it is of course quite strange when you produce something you don’t even know how fast it will be in the end.
Igor's Lab Sept 25, 2020 - “reference board” PG132, which can also be understood as a so-called Base Design. Especially the backside and especially the area below the BGA is interesting. What is interesting about such drawings and the so-called BoM (Bill of Materials) is that you are offered different placement alternatives.
Below the BGA we see the six NECESSARY capacitors for filtering high frequencies on the voltage rails, i.e. NVVDD and MSVDD.
The BoM and the drawing from June leave it open whether large-area POSCAPs (Conductive Polymer Tantalum Solid Capacitors) are used (marked in red), or rather the somewhat more expensive MLCCs (Multilayer Ceramic Chip Capacitor).
...According to the list and specifications of Nvidia, both are possible...
This also applies to the question of whether the BoM was subsequently changed again to completely exclude the exclusive use of POSCAPs/SP-CAPs."
From reading the full articles it sure sounds like Nvidia may not have provided working drivers to AIB partners until late in the development process and may have known about capacitor issues, since the FE cards have 4 poscaps and 2 mlcc's ... but it appears the BoM may at one point indicated that 6 poscaps would work? Would love if GN could confirm any of what is in Igor's work and if I am reading it correctly?
Buildzoid did release a video with his thoughts about the layout behind the Die today on AHOC , so I hope Steve & Buildzoid can look into it further too
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Fall asleep ALWAYS end up here.
The days of overclocking being a good skill outside of competitions is gone.ast good overclocking was the 700 series
have you thought of bringing on kingpin onboard? that'd be really cool
wouldn't you start reaching diminishing returns at those low temps? even getting to the point of harmful returns?
Steve makes me a playlist episode 1