A New Night's King?
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2024
- We haven't seen a leader of the Others yet in the books, but the symbolism suggests that one will emerge...
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Worst job interview ever - Fail to impress the boss, six other staff descend upon you and butcher you....coldly.
The Others' HR approach is a little harsh.
@@alanpennie8013 Isn't it?
XDDDD
Isn't that basically the process of becoming a dairy cow as opposed to a burger? Now I have mental images of ice-cows running a slaughterhouse 😂
This is one of the most hilarious comments I've ever seen.
I would live for Jon being a new night's king. Better than repeating "I don wun it' for the entirety of A Dream of Spring
I’ve got some pretty original ideas about this coming I think :)
Lucifer means Lightbringer Can’t wait. It’d be pretty interesting if Jon‘s story took that turn. Especially since GRRM said that he does not want yet another fantasy cliché dark lord (which is all the show night king was in the end)
@@DavidLightbringermuch like The Winds Of Winter, A Dream Of Spring is never coming…
George RR Martin watching LmL:
Ahh, so that's how it all fits together
Lol
I read that in his voice lol
I think G.R.R Martin has a very mischievous character. I could easily picture Him watching LML's video's and having a good chuckle when LML, predicts George's upcoming storylines. I like that thought, very much :)
Ya lol indeed
I can see George reading and changing what he had planned, just because.
Sir Waymar Royce: *gets hit on the side by the sword *
The Other: “look guy this weird black thing leeks red when I poke”
The other Others : “ freaky. Kill it man it’s grossing me out “
Mystery solved!
"Darkstar is... called Darkstar." ah yes, that's the deep symbolic analysis we have all come to know and love 😂
Let's just make a movie about the Nights King. A whole series about the Nightfort. Something!
Yes please and i would prefer that they don't pull any punches just as George wouldn't
Ok. Start financing...
@@cbob213 Hey I've done grant writing before.
That would be an Amazingly eerie story to tell! There are So many chilling possibilities to explore within the Nightfort
@Ram-C Well, HBO has the TV rights to the story, so you'd have to work with them if you wanted to make a tv show and they already have 1 show in development. I guess you could buy the movie rights from George (not sure if HBO owns that as well or not), but I doubt he would just let anyone with money make movies about his universe, especially after the clustefuck that was the last couple seasons of GoT (especially season 8).
I can't help but wonder if Benjen Stark was put to the same Shadowy "test" as Waymar Royce. There are many similarities between the two, even in their look's. The "Other's" do seem to be "looking" for specific traits, traits that both Benjen, and Waymar (even Jon) share(d)..both Men also being "high born" Nobles, from prominent Old House's, both are trained warriors, possessing their own (castle forged steel) swords, both Benjen & Waymar are Rangers, I believe both Men also spoke their Nights Watch, vows in front of the Heart tree .. and, didn't Benjen have a fancy cloak too... hmm. I wonder,
Anyway, I'm only 5 minutes into the video, yet My mind is ticking (off topic) already..lol
that makes total sense... if we find wighted Benjen with one eye, we'll know
Exactly!
Benjen did have a fancy cloak but he gave it to Tyrion. Maybe he had a spare. I like your thinking, we don't know what happened to him but he's certainly a good enough placeholder Night King for now until someone better comes along. Benjen is almost everything they could possibly want and is their version of Stannis. "Is this the one?" "I think so." "Probably not." "Maybe." "Sure seems like it to me."
I would love to see Benjen as Night's King.
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Me too, for a short time, at least :)
I also think the Starks and Royces being related via multiple intermarriagess played a part in the Other's particular interest in Waymar. I do think either the Starks are part Other, or the Others are part Stark (or both), so it makes sense they are seeking Stark blood for their new king.
100%
The George's comet head has become my favourite.
It's so silly I love it 😂
i just noticed it today, and i'm in full agreement with you!🤣
My favorite part of the day is coming home from a busy day at work and relaxing and watching a new video!!! Keep up the good work!!!
One thing that stands out to me is the emphasis on how easy it is to cut through Weymar's armor. Who do we know with one eye (kind of), a black Sable cloak, and near indestructible black armor. Either it's Euron or Euron has learned extra parts of the prophecy that he is trying his hardest to replicate. My bet is kind of on the second one. Euron is trying to fake it til he makes it while Jon is the real deal
Woahhh.. the other’s “mocking voice” crackling of ice etc. sort of reminds me of Ser ilyn Payne laughing at Jamie. Just a random thought
Every time Ser Ilyn Payne open his mouths to let out that "click" mock of a laugh I shuddered from how creepy it was to me
Glad to see your channel growing! You deserve recognition for your thorough and fascinating analysis! Definitely quenches my thirst while waiting for the next book.
When I hear the Ironborns drowned god and how he feasts his warriors (sort of like a cthulhu version of Valhalla) I always the thought twist with it was that the Ironborn are the feast and that the drowned consumes their souls for whatever reason. I was wondering what you think of this.
It's the squishers that litterally feast on their corps.
I REALLY like this idea
Love your commentary, Lucifer means Lightbringer!
Great video. It looked amazing. It was a very cohesive breakdown of the symbols and myths and how they tie in with the story and their potential foreshadowing. Very great job.
Always love more Night's king and Other videos. I'm always sharing your videos on reddit and Facebook
You and Quinn are THE BEST ASOIAF UA-camrs out there except maybe INDEEPGEEK Love y'all and am hoping for a new colab video soon.
LmL is the absolute best ASOIAF YTers. No one is even comparable. But hey, we love everybody.
One thing I love about ASOIAF is that most major characters have the chance to fill one or more roles in the larger narrative.
Like "Who is going to be the new Nights King, Jon Snow or Stannis Baratheon?"
Whoever gets there first.
Interesting way to put it! Multiple possible versions of a similar future
The Moleskin glove prophecy made me burst in laughter and I had to explain to my wife, after like 5 whole minutes of rambling and mumbling about Jon Snow, the Red Woman and Azor Ahai, I just gave up...
The prologue in GoTs is no doubt my favourite one ever out of any book and completely sold me on ASOIAF .AND of cos D bag waymar Royve INFAMOUS LINE "Dance with me then " plus they might of thought Royce was a stark as hes described alot like Jon snow or even TPWWP
D bag or no, 'dance with me then' is a pretty badass final line.
@@tylerstevens1904 as i said i really cudnt stand Waymar but after that line i thought "what a bad ass" best prolouge ever andnthe reason that kept me reading and i was so glad I did Nimownive read it three times
@@gavomorg762 Meant my comment as conversationally in agreement to yours. My bad on you not seeing what I meant.
I don't know if you've already discussed or considered this idea, but I wanted to share a new theory I came up with for the Night's Watch.
They were formed during the Long Night, yes, but their Order wasn't isolated to the North. They were scattered throughout Westeros, only coming north when the Wall was built.
Hence the line: I am the watcher on the walls.
Plural. As in, they stood atop multiple walls throughout the land. Not just THE Wall.
your euron crow's eye playlist is superb. love the playlists, they are so helpful for people like myself who are catching up on all of your videos! thanks!
Such good visuals! The parallels! The symbolism! Laid out in such a way that even dilettante myth heads like me can comprehend
What if "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" means. There MUST always be someone of THE BLOOD able to be the new Knight king should anything happen to the old one.
smoked a joint, did a dab. then got on UA-cam then I see that LmL posted a video. in the words of cube, today was a good day!!
Ooo did you hit 27k subs today? You work so hard, thanks LML! I'm definitely rewatching the long analyses playlists to brush up and get ready for the next vids.
I sure did!!
I'm pretty sure they were just giving him a little blood test. I think they were looking for a certain genetic profile, a blood variety familiar enough to them that they could smell it the moment it first spilled from his body.
I'm loving this series. Yours and JoeMagicians videos are what keeps inspiring me to keep reading the books despite not being the biggest reader in the world.
Nice video! Re what was the signal to the Others that this wasn't the guy they're looking for, while I like your theory fine, it might also be that his _armour_ failed. "The pale sword bit through the ringmail beneath his arm" . We know Euron has a valyrian armour set, and John dreams of being armoured in black ice, so maybe they expect not just a decent sword, but the rest of the kit too.
They did look at Wayar Royce's sword.
Guess this mean that after resurrection, Jon Snow(or Ghost) immediately murders a bunch of Night's Watch brothers
Ah, that would make sense wouldn’t it
Michael G I would too, in his shoes ha.
Is it really "murder", or would it be delayed self defense? 🤔 I say the latter 😂
@@in_vas_por8810 imma give u a heads up that didn’t work for me in court
Woke up to this one. As its Sunday I'll wake and bake while watching this.....
Really entertaining video with awesome editing skills on display. Really love the GRRM comet. How perfect for your channel..
The background music at times is omnious AF and I love it
Thanks I made it myself with bass guitar and effects pedals :)
LOL @ George's head flying by as a red comet.
Speaking of comets, isn't the Weymar prologue before the red comet even appears in the sky? Or am I mistaken that you seem to imply that this was a trigger for them to go on a search for a new Night's King?
Maybe a New Night's King is the friends we made along the way?
Amazing video, I didn't know there was THAT amount of symbolism, hyped for the other videos.
Oh there is THAT amount of symbolism, and worse
i may be wrong but when i first read the books in the prologue i always thought it wasnt so much the moment royce took the wound or blood dropped but the the beat he missed when tryin to parry the blow i think it was lack of fighting ability to match them that made them disregard him.
I’m so far down the heresy trail, the only thing that can stop me are seven daggers blessed by Rhllor.
Hmm seven huh? Yup definitely a westerosi heretic. Ok bois burn’ em
Maybe the Night Queen is the husk of Nissa Nissa, maybe she was the magical one and when her “fire” (soul) went into the blade, she became a cold being, and after she took his seed and also his soul, the cycle was complete and they became something else...?
I don’t think that’s right, but godsdamnit I like that idea
Love how atmospheric you make your more edited videos.
Yet more amazing mythical/symbolism content from LmL. Keep it up, brotha! 👏🤘
Not ONLY did my comment get a heart from LmL, but it's also a highlighted comment. That is cool AF. 🤘👏😎
Seriously though, I absolutely love your channel and all your videos. I have been a fan of ASOIAF for over 20 years, but only discovered your channel a few years ago, and in that time I have gained a much deeper appreciation of this book series that I have enjoyed LITERALLY my entire adult life. Once again, keep up the amazing work.
Only one other person in the entire book series who wears moleskin gloves..
IT IS THE PROPHECY
It has to be destiny!!! ^^
I just noticed to bleeding eyes part, from the broken sword fragments. Lots of people including Melisandre dream of dead people with bleeding eyes. Always wondered about that one and what it means to see featured here in the symbolism heavy prologue.
I've been watching your videos all-day, and I forgot how good this one is. 4 out of 5 ✳️
Yessss
You absolutely rock, LML!!! Keep up with the heresy!!! 🥳🤘
*COLD FURY*
“Revenge is a dish best served cold.”
I think that The Others, or The Great Other, were the ones who were wronged, or were created to avenge a wrong done to The Children of The Forest. G.R.R.M. Is playing with the concepts of simplicity & duality.
Perhaps Humanity did something wrong/evil (breaking an Oath, blood-sacrifice to gain power, etc.) & they dress in Black symbolizing that they are in fact the bad guys, but we the readers are inherently inclined to side with them & sympathize with their goals because they are human like ourselves.
The Others on the other hand, are White or translucent, pure, elegant, spirit-like, machines of vengeance apparently, yet they do not simply attack all humans that are North of The Wall. They clearly show restraint & know who they are supposed to target.
Tend to agree with all of that, yeah. Eventually I’ll get into the weirwood line of Others symbolism and well talk about those themes :)
I like that idea. Tends to make sense and fit. Any possibility the Great Other and R'hllor are on the same team, making their human champions (for the lack if a better term) alligned? ie. Jon, Danaerys
„The Other“ is a famous concept in sociology. „The other“ is an antagonised, ostracised out-group (think jews, sinti and Roma, Muslims etc) A hippie like grrm might very well play with this concept here
MMCat what the hell are you talking about lol
@@adawgnamedcat the fact that the name ‘the others’ seems an intentional choice, the perfect name to demonise and ‘otherise’ a group that has genuine grievances against mankind, who are the bad guys, by painting them as ‘other’ and therefore evil when they may very well be the injured party in this story. This has happened plenty of times in history with the groups the person above mentioned, with entire innocent groups being painted as ‘outside the in group’ and therefore evil and scapegoats
Mayhaps his name was LML. Mayhaps he cracked the code to this very series.
Love your content so much! Thank you so much LmL!
I'm pumped for your Jon and Euron Night's King videos.
Sweet! A new LmL video on the computer, Ghost of Tsushima in the PS4. For thirty minutes, I'm golden.
Man, video after video you continue to blow me away with the in depth analysis. I can't wait for the Euron and Jon Snow videos. Keep up the great work. 👍
Love your videos bro!!! Keep on keeping on!! ⚔️ 🗡
The moleskin prophesy is not appreciated south of the Wall, which is a shame.
Looking back on this with the info we have now with HotD - this is interesting. What is this going to mean for the Song? What if the King Who Knelt spoke to Aegon and shared their secrets? If the Others want Jon or a King for themselves maybe part of the agreement is for the Targs to keep a Stark from falling?
it’s only 25 minutes I was hoping for a 2 hours analysis 😓. I guess I’m getting addicted to your channel. Hope one day you can post new videos each day ❤️.
Need to hire some assistants!
Lucifer means Lightbringer o come on people it’s our chance to have video everyday. I only know Iranian mythology, I would be happy to be a help on that regard. But I will keep commenting on your video until someone come to be an assistant 😏😁.
Lucifer means Lightbringer while listening to your recent ice dragon video I remembered a story in Iranian mythology that has some similarities to the white walkers getting children and dragons , I don’t know if those symbols represent the same things and I’m pretty sure George R R martin didn’t take anything from Iranian mythology but there is similarities! I wanted to post it in a comment but my comment became so big so I didn’t. Is it possible to send it on an email? Or I need to broke it in some comments..?
I used to think that the final series of Game of Thrones had proved most of your speculations wrong, but I'm coming around to the idea that you are going to be proved right by the final books. I hope you will be, and you deserve recognition for all the fine scholarship you have displayed over the years. You are a true knight of the seven kingdoms!
Officially pumped for allll that! Lol love your stuff thanks LML 😄
Feels like it's worth mentioning (I'm halfway throygh, sorry if you've covered this already), the name Royce means various things associated with Royalty/Kingly
Here's a random thought:
The Great Other and R'hllor aren't enemies. They're on the same team, their human champions are as well: Danaerys, Jon, Stannis, Melissandre. Dragons made to bring down the wall this time. The Targaryens changed teams 400 years ago.
Jon is (at least one of) the prince that was promised. He becomes Night's King - the top agent for the Great Other. So will Danaerys. That's all I got.
You're right about one thing. The Great Other and R'hllor are not enemies; because they are one in the same. This is why Jaqen laughs at the idea of different Gods, and he calls it the "many faced God". GRRM is very smart, and he is probably either aware, (or also believes himself) that in real life, many people "know" that God, Allah, Brama, RA, Horus, Zeus, etc...
All these Gods and lesser deities are the same "being" which wears many faces and goes by many names. It gets a bit deeper too, because that being is also you. It can't easily be proven, but it is known.
The combat with Royce may have been an initiation test for the single Other who fought him. The other Others were waiting for the single Other to past their test before they joined the fight. Perhaps it was both: the test of a new Other initiate is to test a human for some quality and call "clear" when the human is not a threat. Maybe its even become like the glass candle test in Old Town; the Others dont expect the human to ever be a threat and the initiation now teaches how frail humans are.
Great video. Been going back through the green zombie series lately.
Thank you for video LML
Also question: is it possible that you and mybe Quinn and/or greyarea will make a video on the azor high(i have no idea how to spell that)prophecy i would love to hear any or all of you guys thoughts on on three things
*The legendary figure himself (i mean we know jon is azor however it could be more than one person (one of which will be dany but who else)
* the 12 companions who are they (their reincarnations) and what part will they play
*And ghost (him and jon are so connected that i feel he must play a part)
Please please do a theroy on this🙏
And sorry for long comment and don't feel pressured to do a theroy if your do busy 🤗
All Hail, Lucifer Means Lightbringer!! 🥳
"...red as fire where they touched the Snow..." emphasis mine
I like this theory; it reminds me of the Joe Magician’s theory: „Killing of the ranger”
Love this video and series LmL !
Little question : You theorized that there are actually 2 Azor Ahai archetypes, the good one and the evil one, so with the distinction between Jon and Euron in mind, could there be 2 sorts of Night Kings ? (again, good and bad one)
Luci, Luci, Luci... Admittedly I've missed a few videos but somehow it doesn't surprise me that you've gone full Heretic.😱🤣🤣🤣
It actually makes perfect sense even if it would feel like a tragedy as so far we have no reason to sympathize with The Others or even understand them in the least. Everybody loves Jon after all but his destiny does lie in the North and no where else. I seriously doubt he'll ever go south of the Neck.
Everytime I listen to you I feel like I'm in English class again...🤣🤣🤣
There's just so much information as you've analyzed this so well that I know no matter how many times I read the books I'll never see the depths you do. It's rather impressive and daunting!
Euron being the Night King doesn’t offer much, but Jon being the Night King? Someone we look as a hero? Now that will be interesting.
I mean watch the Euron video and see what you think, I think there’s definitely something interesting there
One question no one has ever asked. Why did Gared run back all the way to Winterfell instead of Castle black?
to get the furthest away from the others!
Dany is a thirteen-year-old girl surrounded by enemies who want to kill her. She is going to make some mistakes, most likely involving her dragons. Still, she'll learn from each of her mistakes, and after conquering the Seven Kingdoms, she isn't going to go around liberating the people of the world through fire (death).
YES this is my favorite video to date and I believe you are right on the money with all of this
Oh very cool glad you liked it! Dilettante myth heads lolzzz Anyway yeah I hope I’m getting better at summarizing :)
Oh very cool glad you liked it! Dilettante myth heads lolzzz Anyway yeah I hope I’m getting better at summarizing :)
It is interesting. What if the Others we are used to are in fact being parallel with King Guard because they are Queen Guard and like a different caste or class and the Night Queen is a true other , like a banana is clones of an specific thing they all look the same but they ain’t meant to be clones. Night Queen is a true other , maybe even the last and so needs a very specific criteria for a night. We also could ignore that and just say that maybe a very specific criteria needed to be met physically which is why you have them looking or progressions of characters
Ex. Cel. Lent! As always. Your stuff makes me really want to check out this Patreon thing. Keep it up, Uncle L!
Since I've been watching your videos, I view the books in a Total different way
Rewatching this the day after the Winter Solstice. Thus, the longest night has ended.
16:51 all kings kings cover the sun and starts idk but my mind kept going to dany bc she would call Drogo her "sun and stars" and Drogon, named after her "sun and stars", is known as a black shadow of which can block out the sun
and i mean, dany herself silver hair purple eyes i mean she can be seem as more of a white walker description wise more than the other humans can in the books something like nights queen because of dany's many mother titles and her mindset thru out the books ..
I love thi analysis, man. :) Solid, and well delivered. A few interesting points too. :)
I know Dany's emergence from Drogo's funeral pyre is seen as a resurrection, but I think she'll die and be resurrected in the North.
I'm really excited for the Euron video!!!!
....exactly as planned, good, good.... (steeples fingers)
@@DavidLightbringer I enjoy the fact that you take the time to write ppl back. #thedoomwasaninsidejob
Thanks for nerding out. Still. Keep hope alive. Lol...all you nerds. Thanks for being there. Through this looong daaark niiight...
That GRRM red comet tho ☄️
In what Chapter was Robb doing the stark King Symbolism the most?
I really like your theories and it could be that im just dumb. But how is it possible that Azor Ahai defeated the Others and then supposedly became Night‘s King who created the Others? I would be really thankful if someone could clarify this for me
It could be that the timeline is messed up. After all this is thousands upon thousands of years ago and GRRM loves playing around with the theme of people in-universe not always knowing the full history of things
Intriguing content as always! My question is: does this mean Sam was also given the “Azor Ahai test,” and did he pass?? I know the circumstances were vastly different and the Others probably had different intentions. Curious what you think!
Hmm, that’s an interesting question... I don’t think the Other was testing him; seems like it came for the baby and was trying to kill Sam because he was in the way. But if we are talking symbolic archetype... we can look at that scene again, certainly. Sam has his tears freeze in his eyes and his bladder freeze also, so there is an implied ice transformation happening. He is also wearing “greaves” made of snow on the march south from the first. So perhaps he is implied as passing and gaining the power of ice. He’s not very NK like tho, he’s more a last hero, especially stealing Cratsers son.
Hmm, that’s an interesting question... I don’t think the Other was testing him; seems like it came for the baby and was trying to kill Sam because he was in the way. But if we are talking symbolic archetype... we can look at that scene again, certainly. Sam has his tears freeze in his eyes and his bladder freeze also, so there is an implied ice transformation happening. He is also wearing “greaves” made of snow on the march south from the first. So perhaps he is implied as passing and gaining the power of ice. He’s not very NK like tho, he’s more a last hero, especially stealing Cratsers son.
Lucifer means Lightbringer thanks for the reply! I love when GRRM dips the same character into multiple symbolic archetypal colors. The fact that Sam takes on ice powers while his entire character is more last hero, to me that shows these legends come from the same origin. Anyways, thanks again, and I love your idea that the Others are playing (essentially) “are you my daddy”
I really like this idea that a child was stolen from the Others and that's the reason why they returned. The Prince that was Promised... to the Others. It works really well with so many other ideas and themes of the story, of pacts and promises and stolen or switched out babies. I could really see this being a thing in some form.
I'm loving this series, LML. As I said on Twitter, Euron's totally going to succeed in summoning something, be it from the sea or the icy north. His whole story arc will be a bust if he doesn't. But I do see the comparison in Jon as well, now that you mention it. Now if we could just get the book when winter finally comes, and maybe it'll answer some of this, lol (9 years and 1 month as of August 12)
My little theory is Euron summons a Kraken with the horn he stole from House Cetigar, but Aeron will Ride it and be Bonded to the Kraken because he will actually be in the water when Euron blows the Horn and he will have enough faith in the Drowned God to actually swim towards a Giant Kraken.
YES. New video. I’m ready
I never read this chapter on LOTR but it onlu makes me think about Aragorn Clash his Magical sword with the Dead Army to proof that he is the one to lead them. Makes me wonder who will be this one: Stannis or Jon?
It would be pretty cool if the Night's King had a purpose, like keeping the Others in check in the first place. A built in fail-safe, if you will. Something like Bolvar sacrificing himself once Arthas is dead in WoW to become the new Lich King. Ironically, Bolvar is kinda fire wight-y first...
Night gathers and my watch begins
Thanks for the content LML, I hope the winter winds blow soon.
There is a video of Joe The Magician called "Brandon Starks secret Bastards" that theorizes about different persons in GoT might be a bastard descendant of Brandon.
For me Weymar was the #1 contender for that title and this would fit very good into this theory and that of Joe!
That does not only make him a descendant of an ancient First-Men-house but of a Stark of Winterfell!
Could be that the others can "track" those with Stark-blood
Benjen Stark went missing after Royce failed his test. I assume that didn't happen for no reason. George told his editor that Cold Hands wasn't Benjen, since I heard that I thought Coldhands was the Original Night's King who came under the power of the Greenseers after his defeat. I think the Benjen was taken to be a Night's King offscreen in similar fahion as Waymar not Jon or Euron. I think Benjen joined the Night's Watch out of Guilt for his role in Lyanna leaving with Rhaegar and thus blamed himself for her death and his father's and Brother's deaths as well. I'm not sure if Benjen knows about R+L=J. Guilt pushed him to into the NW and I think he grew to regret and resent that decision. He told Jon not to join the NW and told Jon he didn't know what he would be giving up. I think he will be eager for what the Others are offering especially if its from a beautiful female one. I like theory that Bloodraven reached out to Euron and that he is Bloodraven's greatest failure because he wants to make himself a God King when the Others comes when BR wanted him to try and stop them.
If the blood is the trigger for the Others to kill Waymar, imagine Blain Cooper were north of the Wall at that moment. The Others would be forked, as Blain ain't got no time to bleed.
I was listening at x2 and had to change it back to check if the closing music was different. It has one of those Other sounds that work at either speed.
haha I bet that sounded weird!
@@DavidLightbringer not really, i listen to retrowave
Shout out to Scorpiax "the illest kind of dragon whose breath is ganja smoke"!
@LML Waymar died a traitor's death ("et tu, Brute?"), and foreshadows Jon's traitor's death by Night's Watchmen, (multiple stab wounds). Waymar standing on the ridge, cloak billowing behind him is definitely a hero's pose, Waymar's last hero pose, and somehow picked up by the Others, as if he was sending out an invitation, 'come fight me'. (which in a way, Waymar was, just not to the Others!) I think given the huge symbolism of the Kingsguard to the Others, and the fact there are 6 Others at Waymar's 'murder, death, kill', could also have been a tryout for the Others 7th kingsguard...GRRiM would not have missed that, could be a red herring to keep us guessing of course..but cant have a new night's king without a full complement of kingsguard first...no? yes? maybe? Something else about a new Night's King for the Others...Melisandre tells Jon Snow, on the Wall, in front of Stannis about the Others - "His name may not be spoken. He is the God of Night and Terror, Jon Snow, and these shapes in the snow are his creatures." (Page 2838 Jon XXVII ASOS) Hmmm, who is this God, who already exists, so is the leader of the Others...how does Night's King fit in to this scenario?
Haha OMG - read the quote again, misreading the emphasis... “He is the god of terror and night, Jon Snow” like his name is Jon Snow!! Jack Frost, god of terror lol. So yeah I’m suggesting that the being Mel perceives as the great other is actually the dead spirit of the original AA / NK. And yes The fact that there are six others implies they would be looking for a seventh, I sort of forgot to emphasize that I think but yep, there it is
The other Others are looking for an “Other”. It sounded funnier in my head. 🤣
I feel like, LML sees in every usage of the word "other" white walkers.
Alright here goes nothing, copy pasting it from one of the previous videos, considering you're gonna focus on Jon for the next video, maybe it'll give you some ideas.
I had asked this on the last stream but I had arrived too late so I'll leave this here as it's somewhat related. I know that it's no news that George pulls in a lot of inspiration from Nordic myth but I find that not many people actually dive deep into it, and seeing as how you have a knack for mythology, I'd say this is right in your wheelhouse.
So, what do you think of the parallels between Jon or Stannis and the fire giant Surtr from the Norse mythology? He is the "Black one", guards the realm Muspell (land of fire, the opposite of lands of always winter), carries a burning sword, during Ragnarök fights against and kills the god Freyr (anglicized as Frey, heh), sort of breaks the Bifröst Bridge (a direct parallel to the Wall), and then lights the whole fucking planet on fire.
That's not all, after he opens the way the frost giants Jötunn and "all the warriors from Hel" (basically Nordic Hades, ruled by the goddess Hel) will invade, being led by none other than Loki the Deceiver himself. There are multiple parallels between Hel and Melisandre, and between Loki and Bloodraven, though I'm sure you can find much more than that.
Freyr is an interesting figure as well, outside of the similarities to House Frey with his name, he is a figure of bountiful harvest, virility, has a lot of phallic symbolism. Not that far off from old Walder with his extremely virile offspring making processes. But Freyr is also very similar to Garth Greenhand, drawing a parallel with Stannis (Surtr/Grey King) killing Renly (Freyr/Garth). There is also that one event which I will directly quote from Wikipedia: "The most extensive surviving Freyr myth relates Freyr's falling in love with the female jötunn Gerðr. Eventually, she becomes his wife but first Freyr has to give away his sword which fights on its own "if wise be he who wields it." Although deprived of this weapon, Freyr defeats the jötunn Beli with an antler. However, lacking his sword, Freyr will be killed by the fire jötunn Surtr during the events of Ragnarök." I mean, you could make an entire hour's worth of video with that quote alone, it even has antler symbolism!
I'm not even getting into the other parallels between Nordic and ASoIaF figures like Tyr and Jaime or Fenrir and Bran (tying Jaime's hand getting cut off directly to him pushing Bran out of the tower with that same hand is actually so fucking cool in that context), buuuuut if you were to talk about those as well, I wouldn't be the one to say no.
Yeah I saw this comment last time, I thought I liked and hearted it but maybe not. Yes, strong parallels here, and I’ve discussed this a bit here and there... but yes you’re right I should definitely mention this is my Jon NK episode. Thanks for the extra info here, it all makes sense. Have you checked out my older podcast episode, “Ice Moon Apocalypse”? You’d dig that one; it’s got all the foreshadowing for the Wall falling :)