The 7 Lightsaber Combat Forms | STRENGTHS + WEAKNESSES
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- Lightsaber combat isn't just about an individual's connection to the force or how much they have trained. It's also about what form and technique you use and what form your opponent is using.
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![The Star Wars Philosopher's Guide to Every Single Lightsaber Technique [Form I - Form VII]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2MIpVjbVl5M/mqdefault.jpg)
Form 1 = Croud Control
Form 2 = One-on-One
Form 3 = Blaster Counter
Form 4 = Gymnastics
Form 5 = Brawler
Form 6 = Taskmaster
Form 7 = Hulk
Form 8 = Chuck Norris
Actually, Form 8 is God. Form 9 is Chuck Norris.
Sorry for the confusion.
@@BugRib no
"That's my secret, Darth Sidious. I'm always angry."
*crowd control
The irony of Clone Wars era Niman is that two of the most renowned Niman masters were Exar Kun and Revan which shows that the form when used by an actual master, and not someone who just learned it for the sake of learning it, it is actually a really good form.
Good point
Right the form could be the stepping stone to mastering all other forms. Minus form 2 and 7. It had the most potential but was only limited by the practitioner.
@@GenerationTech Form 6 was the easiest to learn yet hardest to master. The Battle Master of the Clone Wars Cin Drallig stated that it would take a decade to master Niman. The vast majority of users were Consulars who never focused on Lightsaber combat and that's why they died. The Form isn't the problem, it's the user.
I was just about to comment this. The Clone Wars era Jedi didn't put it to good use, but two of the greatest Sith Lords of all time did.
This is also the for cal kestis uses
now this is a star wars video
now this is podracing!
They're all excellent from him. I've just started the video, but I love how he connects real world events and concepts to the star wars universe.
@@inspica380:)
Wizard!
This is MADNESS!
9:15 The Dark Side smacktalking has an actual term for it, Dun Möch (the literal Sith term for Temptation). It's a technique wherein the Dark Sider literally coaxes their opponent to embrace the Dark Side, causing the opponent to either slowly give in or shift their focus to avoid giving in and thus need to split their focus in the fight.
Each time you see a much stronger Dark Sider seemingly toying with a weaker opponent, they are often using this technique.
Form 6 can be deadly if you take the time to learn it. Exor kun was a deadly sith who used form 6
Revan was a Form 6 practitioner as well, though he almost certainly was not nearly as proficient with the lightsaber as Exar Kun was.
True I was just pointing out that form 6 is deadly if someone took the time to learn it
In defense of form 6, in theory it's the most powerful of the forms since you can easily move in and out of different styles, reacting to any weakness or strength the opponent has. The issue is that the ones who practiced it tended to use it as a last resort after trying to peacefully end things, never really going deeper into it than a means of self defense. Exar Kun is a good example of how form 6 is terrifying when its potential is fully realized.
As a capoeira fighter, I'd like to point out that while yes, we do keep moving, as a result our attacks and defense techniques are meant to be more efficient so we save energy to keep moving
To add to this it's the same concept of boxing on your toes vs flat footed, because you're in constant motion the distance to hit the target can shorten by a considerable degree, this can also make it easier to keep up with an opponent that's faster than you.
But you have to train for the endurance and stamina to get the benefits of it.
This is why Yoda was so effective with it as he had much time to refine and practice and blending his offense and defense so well.
Economy of motion. One of the best examples of this I've seen in a movie is in the movie Troy.
When Achilles (Brad Pitt) takes the beach of Troy with his men, the sequence where he charges up the steps to the Temple of Apollo, he uses virtually every motion of his body to add power/speed/force to his next attack/dodge/block, in a continual flow from the first man he kills in the sequence to the last, (if memory serves, we see him deal fatal blows to 15 men in 30-40 seconds) and it's just an excellent example of what you're saying.
The idea of using the energy and momentum of one "move" to carry into your next "move" to sustain your stamina longer because you're putting less strain on your body by utilizing the principles of momentum is an incredible thing to behold in practice.
We have a similar thing in American kempo we try to be effective and efficient in our fighting so there is no wasted energy
Sexy dance fighting < whatever Steven Seagull pretends to do
@@roachdoggjr1940Screaming Seagull is not to be trusted.
Did anyone else immediately get distracted by that leaf that fell outside Alan's window. At least I hope it was a leaf. (3:52)
probably a bird hehe we get pigeons chilling on the sides of the building
@@GenerationTech What about the dolphin menace?
No way was that a leaf
This is why Mace Windu should’ve been his master or at the bare minimum his dueling master. This would’ve solved a lot of Anakin’s problems later on.
It might have caused some too. Windu was very judgmental and cold. Anakin didn't respond well to this kind of relationship and might have fallen to the Dark Side sooner from having to channel it when using vaapad.
Dueling Master maybe but absolutely NOT his master. The best candidate for that was Plo Kloon. The combination of experience, compassion, understanding, and willingness to innovate made him the perfect person to be the father figure Anakin so desperately needed. The only other Jedi who even came close to that combination would be Kit Fisto and even he would be a poor second to Master Plo.
@@joshuahogan3475 I know and that’s why I didn’t say his master as I don’t see that working out well. He would do wonders for his dueling skills and controlling his inner darkness during combat.
@@QuintusAntonious I disagree as Anakin already had issues with his dark side regardless of Mace and I wouldn’t want him as his only Master anyways for this reason. Anakin would respect him as a master duelist and would be eager to learn from him. They are very similar when training with a lightsaber and Mace knows how to control his dark side into being useful as he does it all the time himself. That would greatly help Anakin with battle with his darkness.
@@nathansheldahl that I can agree with. Finding a way to channel his anger away from his core and into his combat.
What about the bonus Form 8: Baseball Bat, pioneered by Rey and Kylo Ren in the sequel trilogy?
I laughed
I've never thought of it like this... But I have to say... Accurate.
The problem is more like with the training and relation to the force than the lightsaber fighting form
Rey fights with the Light side but being a grand daughter of someone very much with the Dark side, makes her fighting with the Light side unstable and doesn't feel very suited to her
Kylo Ren fights with the Dight side and although has a grandfather as a Sith Lord, was trained to be a Light side force user by Luke, not to mention Leia, also trained the same by Luke, gave birth to him, with him trying to fight with the Dark side also causes him to be unstable and it doesn't feel very suited to him, making him all the while not a very good Sith Lord
Also Rey and Kylo rose at a time when barely any force users, both Jedi and Sith, still remained to train the next generation, and so they fought clunkily and with inexperienced, even with whatever training they had, the one side of the force they had in relation to make it feel very unsuited to them
But still, the sequel trilogy is no better than the OG and prequels, and I maybe looking too deep into this
Actually LOLed
@@ThomasTubeHDyou’re reading too much into the baseball bat style my friend
How many of y'all want to get Alan and Dave from Sellsword Arts together to do a serious deep dive into lightsabers and their forms? Alan's nerd knowledge and Dave's real life sword skills could make for some real great conversation.
I'll second this. Especially their thoughts on forms two and three.
Count me in. I’m interested now.
I cast my vote for this proposal. These two could combine real-life skills and lore-based knowledge to create an interesting video.
Right?! This is a thing that should happen.
YES!!
I feel I would be a Form V user. Makes sense for my body-type. Has good attack coverage; plus it utilizes Form III as well, so good defensive coverage on top of it. Then I’d throw in a little Form II, just to keep my opponent guessing and for adaptability 👍🏻
Similar for me, in my head I dual wield shoto sabers and use form 2 with one saber and form 3 with the other
Being a larger lad myself, Form V always appealed to me. The idea of measured, defensive aggression, breaking down your opponent until you can deliver a single powerful strike while having enough force to smash through a more guarded enemy when needed. Very appealing.
This is where the forms begin.
Form 1 draws a lot of inspiration from Kendō. From 2 is more or less just fencing. For the other forms there is no parallel. My guys at the dojo were trying a lot of those techniques we saw used in the series and films. Some stuff straight up doesn’t work. But some can hold up if tweaked a bit.
There is a Chinese hooked sword style that includes techniques for blocking incoming arrows. That is probably about as close you will get to Form III in real life.
Form IV...I think some styles of Capoeira that use a machete with their acrobatics? I suppose that might qualify? 🤷
Form V is anything involving larger, heavier swords to increase the power of the strikes. Styles that make use of claymores or nodachi could possibly work.
Form VI?
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Yeah, I got nothing. 😅
Form VII is all offense with little defense. That sounds more like a philosophy you could apply to a lot of styles than a style in and of itself. 🤷
Form 2 hints at fencing in how it’s written but it’s never seen like that. It honestly bugs me that dookus hilt is curved like an epee fencer but he never uses it like one.
@@joshuahogan3475the core philosophy of Niman has parallels to Jkd, absorb what is useful, discard what is not. There's specific aspects of the concept including use of your free hand for force strikes that I would argue has connections to FMA techniques.
@@avwillis5269 unfortunately JKD doesn't use weapons so it probably wouldn't be a good transition. Many Filipino martial arts do though so I think you could be on to something there. 🤔
@@joshuahogan3475 yes and no. The original style put forward by Bruce Lee didn't have weapons, but once of the diverging schools, (led by Morgan Elsbet's father, no less,) incorporates elements from FMA and Silat, under the belief that the art is always evolving. Also, I'd argue that because the original concept drew heavily in movement from fencing, that could be used to make parallels to makashi.
Looking at the poster in the thumbnail made me think it was Obi Wan who found Anakin and Qui Gon stayed behind to protect the Queen.
Alan (apologies if that is the wrong spelling of your name) this is the sort of content we need for when we get our astromech down the exhaust vent inviting us to the Jedi Temple
Niman is definitely known as the diplomats form...however the true power of the form is only apparent in the hands of a master. Masters of niman were essentially hybrids comprised of all the previous lightsaber forms. Revan was the perfect example. The fact is there are very few jedi who spent the time (at least 10 years) to master niman.
Another example, Ven allow ( Jedi master who went toe to toe with malgus during the sacking of courascant in the old republic) was a master of form 6. Evident in the fight, as he was using ataru footwork with soresu defense with the power of djem so.
*zallow
So in SWTOR Darth Scourge also uses a form 7 variant that taps into his opponent's emotions rather than his own, showing that Vapad wasn't a unique discovery, it did however require a very specific and rare combination of mentality and gifts in the force to work well.
It took along time but now he is one of us
Great content!! You rock bro!
Smooth Chin Alan 😶
😅 nice some Jedi content
This is probably my favorite video that I've been waiting for for a long time.
Amazing video, learned so much. Super interesting topic. Cheers!
Niman is underrated. Of course, the basics of Niman are quite simple and it's good for Diplomats who would focus on the force in battles. But elevating it to its ceiling it might be harder than other forms, as it is influenced by most other forms of lightsaber combat, so basically you would need to be a master of the other forms as well. So when learned to its end degree, it would transform from a Diplomat's form to a Battlemaster form. A jack of all trades fighting style, very adaptable and also a a good form for dual blade fighting. It would be my form of choice.
Also, some very powerful duelists were Niman masters, like Exar Kun.
I recall Sir Alec Guinness saying that in New Hope they were directed that they should use the light sabre as if it weighed as much as a sword. This changed in the later episodes.
This is really cool to learn about each forms strengths and weaknesses
Great video, and very informative.
When you've watched at least 5 lightsaber form videos and then you still learn new things that the others didn't cover.
Great content!
Jedi: they can't really sneak attack anyone..
Anakin: stabs Merrick in the back aboard the Coronet
Ahsoka: Stabs Sobeck in the back in the Citadel
Like Master like Padawan
Obi wan uses flag of truce to win against general loathsome
Anakin fakes surrendered to destroy the ryloth blockade
Bunch of degenerates 🤣
@@GenerationTech well they are all from Dooku's lineage, learned from the best 😂😂
In my point of view, form V Djem so is the most balanced, regarding offense and defense, sure the mobility problem was adressed in the revenge of the fallen novel, but anakin got around it by mixing in a little bit of Ataru...
By the way, awesome video
Could you please make a video on the ecosystems of Dathomir
Count Dooku's sword is actually a pistol grip, one of the standard grips for fencing. Christopher Lee preferred that style of grip at the time of filming.
You should do an analysis on the duel between Ahsoka and Baylan; they were both modified form V users. It would also be interesting to see an analysis on the other fights in the Ahsoka series such as when Ahsoka duels Morgan Elsbeth who was wielding a beskar spear as opposed to a lightsaber
sorry I just remembered the duel between Ahsoka and Elsbeth was in Mandalorian, point still stands though
Idk if it was just me but it felt like Baylan was more of an Form 4 user than a form 5 one, using different movements to try and get an opening rather than battering defences away with hard parries
@@the_restitutor_orbis Personally that's exactly how I would've described Baylans style, he was swinging his lightsaber around like a longsword trying to hit as hard as he could which was also in part by the fact that he was physically larger than his opponents so it put his opponents on the defensive with large and heavy strikes.
But I agree he did even sometimes opt to jump out of the way instead of parry but maybe that was more because of his two handed, centered grip on his saber that made it difficult to block fast strikes?
@@CaptainBigman well the disney wiki suggests he was likely very proficient in form 4, 5 and 6 so maybe we’re both right. Very capable duelists do seem to mix up forms - e.g Anakin, Starkiller, Ahsoka, Sidious, Vader etc.
Hey just wanted to say that i love your videos and just wanted ask for a video on cal kestis’s lightsaber forms and lore. I think he has a bunch of a lore surrounding him that no one seems to care to spotlight on
I was 11 upon the release of ep. 4 back in 77 saw it 13 Saturday in a row
Good video!
I love learning about the 7 forms of lightsaber combat.
Mine would probably be:
Form 2: Combat.
Form 4: Flexible and mobile.
Form 6: General Knowledge of all the forms/Dual-Blade Fencing.
In my own little "if I were a Jedi" fantasies, I would focus on Form III, supplemented by use of small scale force telekinesis (upward sprays of dirt from around the opponent's feet, yanking the sleeve of the opponent's sword arm, etc.).
its wild that I've been watching you for years just to add to my star wars knowledge.
From the sort of "it's nice to be alive when everything is said and done" that makes sense to me on a gut level, I think I would gravitate towards form 3.
As I write fan-fiction style novels in which the Jedi are on Earth through various means, it's vids like these that amplify my book's depth. Thanks for this dude! Long live the Republic!
What I like about the forms was how it interplays with each other in the Revenge of the Sith novel. Specifically, during the opening fight with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Dooku. At first, Anakin and Obi-Wan used fake Forms to deceive Dooku into a false sense of security. Obi-Wan used Form 4, Ataru at first. When Dooku saw that, he noted the weakness of that Form which is stabbing thrusts (which is how Qui-Gon went out). When Dooku decided to go for the kill, he began using plenty of stabs at Obi-Wan who promptly deflected them all without a hair out of place. After all, since Obi-Wan's true Form was Soresu, and lightsaber stabs are basically glorified blaster shots, Dooku unpleasantly found out that his strategy wasn't working and he was beginning to tire out.
When Dooku decided to outright overpower Obi-Wan with the Force and knock him out of the fight, he turned his attention to Anakin. When Anakin revealed his true Form, Djim So, Dooku noted with dismay that his elegant fencing form, Makashi could not deflect Djim So's powerful attacks as he simply lacked the kinetic energy to properly counter it. Soon Dooku was overpowered and he lost his hands and after that, his life. It was almost like a game of rock paper scissors the way the lightsaber forms were played.
I would like to see you do a star wars video on the marital arts styles that exist in the star wars galaxy. I think that would be interesting to watch after seeing this video.
Allen! Allen !Al! That gopher is classic funny!😅
17:14 Clone Wars, not Galactic Civil War 😉
Fantastic video! I participated a whole bunch in a Sith RP group for a while where lightsaber forms were an important piece of deciding how our character fought, and this video would have been extremely useful then! Also, what a lucky find, finding Dooku’s lightsaber in a Serenno garage sale. I wonder who brought it back from Coruscant . . .
My personal favorite is form 5 Djem So. I've always enjoyed a more powerful attacks in video games, and this form along with 7 kinda fit my aesthetic of combat
Blade Locking is called The Bind in HEMA which is grappling range where both combatants can apply a lock or a throw or something else in wrestling.
Very interesting
In Revenge of the Sith it is shown that Obi-wan was barely sweating and Anakin was drenched in sweat. Meaning Obi-wan was truly staving off Anakin until he had a prime opening. Which he did perfectly, a true master of the form.
Point of order. Ventress's Lightsabers used to belong to Dook's former Dark Apprentice Komari Vosa. In Star Wars Bounty Hunter Dooku put a bounty on her head and Jango Fett (who you play in the game) takes her out. In addition to a sizable bounty this also is why qualified him to be the genetic template for the Clones of the GAR. Dooku did not simply have those Lightsabers made for Ventress.
Ventress also loses those sabers when they get stolen and re-emerges in bad batch with yellow blades
From the art I've seen the early Je'Daii used an actual sword with a lightsaber style edge.
Yes, those are the force swords of old. In the days before the lightsaber and proto-saber, they would empower their sword with their force energy.
I've always tried to draw real world parallels to the various forms.
Shii Cho - German dussack. German swordmasters used to say that the dussack was the first weapon that any man should learn because everything else builds on that.
Makashi - Rapier, obviously. This is because Christopher Lee was a classically trained fencer, so Dooku's style leaned heavily into that.
Soresu - Chinese jian. It's the straight sword often seen in Tai Chi and Wushu. That's where Obi-Wan's famous stance comes from.
Ataru - Chinese dao. These are the curved sabers seen in Chinese martial arts. The whirling, sweeping strikes just seem to fit.
Shien/Djem So - Katana/longsword. It's no secret that the fight choreography in the original trilogy drew heavily on kendo. Both katanas and longswords make heavy use of two handed strikes that employ a push-pull leverage effect to increase power.
Niman - ??? Not exactly sure what to put here. It's supposed to be the MMA of styles, drawing elements of other forms. So in theory, Niman could look radically different for each practitioner.
Juyo/Vaapad - Escrima. The description of rapid, staccato motions and seemingly unconnected strings of attacks just brings Filipino martial arts to mind. That rapid fire stick fighting is insane.
I loved Kotor 2 which added lightsaber forms as stat modifies. I really did switch forms depending on the combat scenario.
I just used the force modifiers.
I disagree or wish you described Form VI and Form VII better, personally. I would plainly state, as described back in legends at least, it's a "Jack of all trades, master of none" (In regards to its familiarity with the other Forms on a basic or maybe adept forms depending on mastery). Its main pro is it's adaptability to many environments.
Form VII: I would have stated more that it's main Pro is that it's the most aggressive Form of all lightsaber forms and is one of the best at breaking a Form III defense.
The downsides, leaves you open to counters (Form II for instance or Form V Djem So)
Exar Kun, Darth Maul, and Galen Marek are the best examples of the practioners of Form VI and Form VII and they dont necessarily follow your description of both Forms.
The forms are just cool lore. But i find it interesting how in the Clone Wars era they are so different from before, 1,000 years of peace changing them. Niman was clearly a powerful form as we know people in the Old Republic used it and those guys weren't playing, sith and Jedi were constantly fighting, but after that long peace the Jedi seemed to have lost what made it so strong.
Inversely Ahsoka and Windu adapted what are basically completely new form to adapt to their own circumstances rather than what would be 'practical' when Malak send his Dark Jedi after you or whatever.
Yeah Niman seems to have been diluted down over that thousand year period of peace. Technically speaking it seems to me to be the most practical, as you can adapt it to your current situation and environment. Perhaps the Jedi of the prequel era simply learned and mastered the basics of Niman without spending the full ten years to achieve complete mastery, resulting in what is essentially the red shirt of lightsaber forms
I’m already picturing Maul spinning his double bladed lightsaber against Han Solo with his DL-44
7:23 hey I’m a professional fencer and I know it’s a nitpick but we don’t really use rapiers anymore due to it being replaced by the superior foil and sabres which do have enough strength to push away a enemies blade which is vital for a parry riposte
Isn’t the foil a purely sporting tool rather than a weapon, per se?
Sabre is another animal, more optimized for the cut than the rapier (which can cut but isn’t optimized for it). It’s not better, it’s just different.
Quick, travel back to the 80s and let George Lucas know
Wonderous
One of the chief reasons Obi Wan was still alive after the Clone Wars is because of Form III. He became the Form III master in an age of master duelists.
Sith duelists have their own form they use during lightsaber combat, which is basically shit-talking, but amped-up with the Force. I forget what it's called, but the idea behind it is to sow doubt in the mind of their opponent, and to weaken their connection to the Force through self-doubt.
So in star Wars lore, the big bad monologing isn't just for the movie, it's the Sith lord casting debuffs.
That's interesting way of putting it. Obi-Wan also seems to have done the debuff casting, as you put it, while maintaining his own defense.
It's called dun möch
Kreia from KOTOR II had good explanations on the lightsaber forms.
I'm personally fascinated by Form II, and would probably gravitate towards it. But I'd still study Form III very well as it's the most useful in practicality
I feel the same way
Has there ever been a video done about the dreams that clones had? Is there really much information?
After ROTJ I imagine Form 3 makes the most sense, as there are so few lightsaber users left. You are more likely to encounter a blaster.
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Great video but I'd say Soresu's big downfall would be Shien/ Djem So. The power attacks could eventually beat through the defenses and make an opening. Had Anakin kept his head he could have beaten Obi-Wan in time. Dooku the master of Makashi couldn't break through Obi-Wan's Soresu defense in episode III and had to resort to force abilities to incapacitate him.
I would like to add a couple more details based on my own personal analysis.
Form 1: simple, traditional, adaptable. Focuses a lot of the theory of combat.
Strengths: it is easy to learn and safe, it's attacks are wider and more based around traditional sword fighting techniques or proto saber combat. It keeps its movesets simple, and the angles of attack keep your blade away from you and threaten a wider area for your opponent to deal with. Often, in positions, you can transition to defense if necessary. It can also easily accommodate an additional lightsaber or some more odd variants of lightsaber. It teaches basic strikes and defense theory that more complicated and specialized forms rely on, making this the essential foundation of all forms.
Weaknesses: EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Since everyone learns this form and is relatively simple, it makes the form predictable for the most part and thus requires a special kind of persona and knack for creativity to utilize beyond basic training.
Form II. Elegant, fast, precise.
Strengths: very much one on one dueling centric philosophy. It uses deft parries and fleet footwork to dance around an enemy offense and cut through while their off guard. The jedi used it as a means of disarming (cutting off hands, lol), while the sith used it more lethally. There was a reference somewhere about how this forms also practices methods for protecting oneself against disarming strikes. Energy efficient.
Weakness: Dooku mentions in some sources that a concept of "enslavement to form" is a great issue to this form. Requiring every practitioner to adopt a unique approach to it in order to succeed. It is also usually bad against groups or blaster fire, having little or no actual philosophy regarding those types of attacks.
Form III. Turtle, energy efficient, safe pick.
Strength: Energy efficiency is too good to account for. A defensive philosophy and good against both blasters and lightsabers. You can hardly go wrong with this form as all you have to do is outlast your opponent or opponents, giving you time to think. Hardly struggles against most other forms.
Weakness: it has been hinted at in old lore that a form 7 practitioner can break through the defenses of form 3, though the likelihood of coming across them is slim. Would also be hard pressed to say that it will easily do well against form 6 masters. The most noticeable weakness is how long it may take for your fight to end if you don't combine it with some offensive strikes or another form like obi Wan. You could be stuck blocking for a long time.
Form IV: Attack, attack hard, attack fast, be a blur.
Strength: being an offensive style of just pure speed, it is a very open style that also threatens a whole lot of ground. Preferably dealing with enemies really quickly and threatening a whole room of people with your speed and acrobatics. You don't really need to worry a whole heck of a lot about blasters as you tend to close the gap quickly and are hard to shoot.
Weakness: very much single target focused. Splitting attacks is never a good thing. Energy intensive, defeat the enemy quickly. And lacking any real defensive options, essentially using basic blocks that are actually pretty much attacks directed at the enemy weapon.
Form V: grounded, powerful, counter attacks.
Strengths: You're a powerhouse. Force enhanced strength is super useful here. You have sturdy two-handed blocks and powerful follow-up attacks. It's a simple brute force approach to sword fighting but employs counterattacks. It's whole philosophy revolves around breaking open their defenses and tearing apart their offenses. It is also a decent contender to the rarer form 7 as their use of power and attacks are similar.
Weakness: it's not very mobile, so a form 2 or form 4 can use that as an exploit, though i think form 6 masters could also use that. It's not very energy efficient as you're putting your most of your strength behind your attacks.
Form 6. Easy to learn but difficult to master, force powered sequences.
Strengths: Easy to learn so you can learn other skills like force powers or tech skills. Jack of all trades philosophy with emphasis on force power integration. A true master uses the battlefield to their advantage, integrates a wide variety of force powers into attacks and defense, making the lightsaber essentially an oh shit device or a final strike method (still wouldn't scoff at a balanced fighting style though). Very good against Form 7 if mastered.
Weaknesses: it really requires attentiveness, creativity, and a lot of practice to be a good form for fighting. Otherwise, it gets left in the dust.
Form 7. Emotion fuels you, unstoppable attacks, unending ferocity. Vaa'paad variation is a small different than what I'm writing here as it depends on the opponent you're fighting a little more.
Strengths: rapid, unpredictable, powerful attacks sequences that just forever march forward. Often utilizes emotional attachment to the thrill of battle and the rage of the enemy to fuel more ferocious attacks. Where form five will exploit a gap and tear theough form 7 will break you down in you entirety and smash your walls. It does not care about any subtlety. You will crumble before my might. The only hard counter i can think of to form 3, as form 3 does exactly what this form loves to do... wail on the enemy and crush their defenses upon an endless assault.
Weakness: it has a very singular purpose. A practitioner likes to focus on one person or problem at a time and annihilate it. It also focuses so hard on fighting with a lightsaber that a form 6 master has no problems putting the hurt on them with a wide variety of force attacks and environmental advantages (form 7 doesn't seem to often employ force attacks so I'm guessing it's not a focus).
I think I can tweak your analysis a bit or two.
Shii-Cho: dynamic long sword techniques. Everything was included. Slashes, stabs, binds, cuts, ripostes, everything needed to wield any type of sword. Discipline, stamina, focus, self-control are the main keys. With the Force, the user lets go of his/her concerns and doubt, let the Force guides fuels and guides your body. If the you want to make a feint then switch to stab the neck, the Force guides you there if you are willing to let it lead you.
+ Strength:
- Versatility, the most OP cheat code if you are super sensitive with the Force (precedents including Nomi Sunrider, Kit Fristo, Luke Skywalker when he attacks).You want to deflect blasters from thugs? Let the Force guide you and don't worry a thing. Facing a Makashi or Soresu-based master? Take a breath, adjust to make quick cuts and binds to soften their guard. No matter how good they are, they must base their technique on Shii-Cho, just remember, hear the flow of the fight, take a deep and slow breath, trust in the Force and go.
- The bedrock of every form from wielding the sword, feeling and using the Force to acting in life. Even Anakin Skywalker has to practice slashing a lot to constantly push Dooku back without any opening. Even Luke Skywalker has to place absolute trust the Force to fire that torpedo to a 2-meter wide thermal exhaust port of the Death Star. Even even Darth Vader has to practice meditation so much to both clash the saber and smash you with a flying rock at the same time.
+ Weakness: Splitting your focus on dueling, blast-deflecting and using the Force in a single day means you are not so precise as the fencing-focused Makashi master, or as skillful deflecting lasers like a Soresu master, or being skillful with the Force like a Niman master, not as cold in the battle like a form V master, and it takes decades to be as refined as a Juyo/Vaaped master.
Makashi; focus on the dueling branch of form I, focused more on quick cuts, binds, stabs, feints, ripostes to soften the opponent's defense. Instead of trusting in the Force so fully, the Makashi master only lets it enhance his/her reflexes, speed, strength and thinking, but leaving the decision for them. Force enhancement is now only used just enough to win, the focus can be diverted to more defensive skills like shields, healing, energy-recovering to maximize dueling prowess. You have to have an amour and some energy to confidently charge time after time. Or if you are given more leisure, more influential powers can be developed more effectively. Shaak Ti, Dooku, Darth Vader, Inquisitor Jerec, Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, they all have developed their Force abilities so ridiculously. Therefore, you can consider mastery in form I and II means you can push to form VI pretty early. Form I mastery means you are now the living avatar of the Force, mastery in Makashi means you can act and behave as if you are the Force. And since you have mastered forms I and II, you can jump to form V, blending moves into each other for every imaginable thing you have to solve by igniting the lightsaber and cut off their hands.
Soresu (the Force-focused branch developed from Shii-Cho): Technically, Soresu focused more on refining Makashi and Shii-Cho defensive moves, the true meat is doing things with the Force, with blast deflection drills being the focus. In Soresu, Shii-Cho's deep meditation sessions becomes much more intensive. Maybe from one hour before bed to almost a day of meditation, or even longer. Through deep meditation, you are going to increase your sensitivity in the Force, having a bigger pool of Force energy to use, you can take that time to heal from serious injuries too. Increased calmness means you can have more focus, a stronger connection to the Force as being distracted means it can be compromised, so that will happen less. And by deep meditation, you can grow some powers that are very important, either a massive shield to protect everyone instead of just you, lifting many heavy objects to save people, healing many people at once despite severe wounds and injuries, cure sickness, and so on. The Force flows through everything, bonding every life forms together. Being masterful in Soresu is being able to merge yourself into that sea.
Ataru: the bare-handed mode of Makashi (at least as the Jedi Path said). Makashi masters are stupidly skilled with the blade, but they have to know what to do when not having it too. Kicks, grapples, punches, wrestles, dodges, jumps, runs, etc, all are included. Blade flourishes don't mean so much. If you already channeled a powerful shield to block lightsaber blades or laser cannons, your hands and legs are already OP. Bultar Swan and Mace Windu approved this.
Form V. The Shien branch covers how you deflect the bolts to specific targets, not just avoid getting hit like Soresu. The Djem So is evolves Makashi's moves, making quick cuts, parries and binds with much more force, breaking the guy's guard. But don't just go on and on, in battle, you rarely go alone, you have to know what to do to help your hommies. Don't just muscle everything like Anakin when your dudes haven't kept up with your pace. Be like Plo-Koon and Luke. Be mindful with what you are facing. If he's too solid in defense, try pure Makashi to soften him. If he attacks too well, you can defend strong and knock him out with a rock like Vader, or disarm, simply let your hommie sneak behind and shoot him down. If he has guns, give him taste his own laser. If he has many guys but you have time to prepare yourself, raise a body shield while giving them their own taste. If surprised, you just need to go Soresu mode or unleash a brutal Force wave and retreat, or continue attack in the chaos. If you are alone and have to deal with many guys with lightsabers, keep some distance while slowing them down with the Force and cut down one by one.
Form VI: mastery with the Force, form V and form VI are basically two sides of the coin
Form VII: it should be used as a final solution, you have no option but to go berserker mode despite being a Jedi. But you have to survive, then just take some anger, and go.
maybe I think a bit different since I view the 7 forms being different studies either go linear or branching out from something, but I hope it can support your analysis a bit or two
I don’t think lightsabers are weightless because we see the mandolorian so I think it’s more like a regular sword with 2 edges and blunt sides that you can’t see through the blinding light. I mean for example when look is fighting Darth Vader for the last time his saber bounces off of the railing which makes me believe it has a blunt side that is hidden
That's because in the original trilogy they were instructed to treat them as if they weighed as much as a sword. When episode 1 came out, George Lucas changed this direction. We can thank Maul
Part of the reason that Qui-gon's reliance on the basics of Ataru led to his defeat against Maul, was that in his age he was not able to leverage that speed and the acrobatics the same way as he once did, and it was still tiring in strength of the types of blows that tended to be given in dueling. That was the disadvantage it put him at when facing Maul. Though at least in the Novelization, it is noted that the way he took down Qui-gon felt like a cheap shot and the least honorable, or satisfying to end that phase of the fight. Maul at that point was a very interesting person, as despite being trained extensively and quite frankly, brutally, from a young age. He still had the innate Zabraak sense of honor to a limited degree. Cheap tricks were cheap tricks, and while they may work it's not the preferred method ending a fight.
I still think of Komari Vosa when I see those two blades… guess she’s more iconic to me over Ventress.
anakin's form during the clone wars was djem so but he created a variant that got around djem so primary weakness lack of mobility by adding ataru footwork and movements into his attacks when he turned into vader he further improved on this by adding makashi to his style creating a hybrid form that was nearly unstoppable there are several videos on this it seems like the most successfull duelist are those people who learn multiple forms and combine aspects of them into a personel style for example anakin,ashoka,obi wan,darth vader
The best I think is form 5 with a mix of 7 and 2.
I would always use my lightsabre in strobe mode at the maximum length setting, unblockable.
1:53, To an extent, this is true, but a Force-sensitive’s clairvoyance wasn’t the only factor to often unnatural dexterity and reflexes, as they could also temporarily enhance their physical attributes with their telekinesis, including speed (resulting in what known as “Force Speed” or “Force Dash”), if they knew how to, 12:58, though admittedly to a limited degree, and the strength of an individual’s Force connection, 14:46, and the extent of their own innate physical attributes often determining how much these attributes can be enhanced (18:00, unless, of course, they were channeling intense emotions instead of just willpower to further enhance this effect). This augmented physicality and an individual’s skill as using it is also a prominent factor in an individual’s success in a fight beyond just martial or strategic prowess.
4:21, This, combined with the extrasensory perception innate to Force-sensitive (2:04, In a way, Force-sensitives are like Spiderman in their physical and sensory abilities), is how someone like Kit Fisto can manage to be so successful while using the most basic of combat forms, but also is why he was quickly bested by Palpatine, whose Force connection and skill at utilizing it was far more advanced than his.
12:22, Each of the forms also tend to focus on specific attributes (and strategies applying said attributes) and complimenting individuals who already possess certain attributes (Form 5 emphasizing strength, Form 2 emphasizing dexterity, Form 3 emphasizing stamina and endurance, or both Form 4 and Form 7 emphasizing speed and agility).
The channel “Stupendous Wave” frequently does videos about lightsaber forms, but he pronounces 2 as MAU-ka-shee, 6 as NY-man, & 7 as VAY-pad.
10:38 Count Dooku: Whoo the FOOOK is this guy???😂😂😭
> "This is actually Count Dooku's lightsaber, I was his apprentice once... and in true Sith tradition killed him and took everything of his as my own."
When hearing about lightsaber forms (jedi/sith basically are martial artists in my opinion in this regard) -> I recall that old saying, something like = "when I knew nothing about the martial arts a punch was just a punch, a kick was just a kick ... when I became a practitioner a punch was not just a mere punch, a kick was just not a mere kick any more ... when I reached masterhood, a punch became just a punch, a kick became just a kick again" = meaning true masters are not bound by form, etc. -> remember Bruce Lee, and his jeet-kune-do stance/philosophy about martial arts, which can be applied here too -> IMO all jedi/sith are eventually aiming to reach that level, perfect themselves to this level ...
I would switch between 4 and 5, I think because I'm special I would have a high midioclorean count so my force sensitivity would be high. I would train in form 2 though, should I need it, but 4 and 3 are my natural strengths, mainly form 4 for people less skilled and 3 more skilled opponents, and 5 is the natural evolution of 3. But I accept my weaknesses of being only 5"10 and skinny (138lbs). So I would probably have a hard time if I'm using 5. Which is why I would want to learn 2.
Form 2 is my favorite simply because of Count Dooku, I just love the way that guy fights and how unique his lightsaber is with the curved hilt; well that and he managed to overcome two of the forms three biggest weaknesses, those being blaster deflection and fighting multiple opponents.... but as Anakin showed, Dooku couldn't overcome Form 2's third weakness, that being generating momentum and withstanding form 5 power strikers.
Anakin was the Master of Form V due to his immense strength, but more importantly, his speed. Dooku overcame every other opponent he faced who used Form V, as well as easily handling some of the strongest lightsaber duelists ever. But the combination of that strength and speed was too much in a singular instance. Dooku's Form II has no weaknesses. It's just that he finally came up against someone in Anakin in ROTS he could not handle. One duel does not a weakness make.
Anakin was the most prominent Form V practitioner who mastered BOTH form V variants during the Clone Wars. Where As Vader ran a Hybrid style by Blending aspects of Form II and Form V.
and in regards to Ahsoka.......oh boy........... She was trained in Form V yes (obviously cause of Anakin,) but Ahsoka actually uses a Hybrid of Form IV (Ataru) and Jar'Kai (the method of duel wielding)
have you even though about making a discord server for your community
So mace was being amped by sidious during their blade locking?
Amazing as always 👌
There's a eighth form that is frowned upon by both the jedi and the sith, tràkata, it was based on quickly shutting off then re-igniting the blade, thus creating the possibility to confuse one's opponent/s, allowing for diversionary feints in combat.
Basically you would block an attack, turn off your blade, your opponent loses their balance and you would turn the blade back on and strike. That, or you would turn the blade on only while striking once the blade would extend into your enemy. The sith saw it as a sign of weakness and the jedi saw it as manipulation.
It's also worth noting official form 8 and 9 exist but aren't practiced by anyone other than their inventors, most of which were killed by darth nihilus - kendosu and kadeesh
17:07 wasn’t Exar Kun a form 6 practitioner? Wasn’t he the best duelist in his era?
Wouldn't a sheild be a better tool for the Jedi job
Shields are hard to carry. A lightsaber basically fits in your pocket.
I would love to see episode 2 with all the jedi just shield bashing until they die
Like a laser shield the jakals use in Halo!
"This means something to somebody" Rich Evans 😆
Shien, classic form v for me. I prefer its 360 footwork and focus on precision and strength, cover and counter, like real self defense.
Jenkem is my favorite form
So essentially if you were a Jedi alive during the Clone Wars lets say or managed to survive Order 66 and were being hunted by the Empire your best bet if you had to pick a form is actually kinda objectively Soresu, cause lets be obvious for a second, its kinda hard to kill you if you can't be touched by blaster bolt or lightsaber blade, hence why Obi Wan survived for so long, can't kill what you can't even get to with any form of weaponry (discounting the times he was captured by Dooku or pirates or anything else where he could have just been straight up executed at any moment)
Remember that one form that is literally just turning off and on your saber?
Not a form, but a technique known as Tràkata.
Yes that. I still find the in universe explanation for why they don’t use this technique kind of funny.
@Dwayne_LaFontant Same here, but no source explains it is forbidden and is more of fans playing telephone.
@@Dwayne_LaFontantreal world sword fighting has an explanation. Number 1 rule of any swordsmanship is managing distance. A swords big advantage over a knife is reach. Using that length to keep distance from opponents is key. When your opponent has a weapon that can kill you with just a simple touch it would be bad to remove the thing maintaining distance from them.
It's called tràkata and it's not an official form, it's frowned upon by both Jedi and Sith. It is worth noting there were official form 8 and 9, but the users of those forms all got killed by darth nihilus
Alan did his lightsaber homework.
Can't you take Niman to an extreme level though and make it more a jack of all trades form, or something that can flexibly utilize every form you need at any given moment?
well yes, there's Dooku and Darth Vader for you to examine, or Kyle Katarn and Darth Caedus if taking things even further.
@@quangtrungbui675Revan is also a master of form 6. Granted he knew all the forms into his life as a Jedi, as a sith, and when he turned back into a Jedi.
@@nightwing2032 "knew" is one thing, mastery is another thing. I kinda like that Revan guy since he was the inspiration for Darth Bane to mold his Rule of Two mantra, one of the most critical rules being masterful and enthusiastic refining both physical combat and the Force. That's one reason I don't like Plagueis and Sidious so much while being a fanboy of Darth Caedus.
3:53 something in the background falls past his window
Doing martial arts is simalar to vapad cause it allows you to channel your anger, to be a fierce fighter minus the lightsaber and force of course ever sinse i started training i learned how to use my anger and not be controlled by it
Advice from most martial artists that practice multiple disciplines: "Don't cross the streams". In a fight, pick one style and stick with it. Don't mix and match.
If you cut an onion with a lightsaber
Do you still cry
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Of course you do. Now you're getting smoke from cremated onions in your eyes.
@@Starcat5 Or OR... Instant caramelized onions. Mmmm, saberlicious.
You might be onto something here...cutting bread or cheese could be fun lol