The Right Way To Paint Aluminum
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2017
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Through trial and error I've figured out the correct way to paint my recessed trolling motor foot pedal tray. But this will work with pretty much any aluminum.
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Great video! The reason it’s hard to get paint to stick to aluminum is because the aluminum surface immediately begins to form a loose oxide. If you have ever wiped off aluminum with a rag or your hand you’ll see the oxide as a grey color. Since the oxide is loose any paint applied sticks to the loose oxide and not the aluminum. The self etch primer has an “enchant “ that removes the oxide and roughens the surface for the paint. Cool stuff!
* Etchant
Can I affix this enchantment to other solvents?
@@paulwaryDamn I was hoping it would enchant it.
I’m welding up a 6061 frame tomorrow and having an enchanted gate sounds killer.
Is the self etching primer necessary for galvanized metal too?
Thanks, I actually need to paint the inside of a water fountain that was made with aluminum. I knew I needed some kind of primer first and you solved this issue
The $3 mask you got is for dust, not chemicals. For about $10 or $12 you can buy a 3M organic vapor mask. A guy in our state was using strong stripper
to completely strip the paint in smaller room during a commercial renovation in our state and, when he didn’t come home, he was found dead from the organic vapors (VOCs) he inhaled. This is why you want to get the right mask. Had the guy lived, his brain would have been toast. Thanks for the tip on using etching primer to paint aluminium - I had no idea before this video.
Well now that’s just silly. I was doing this outside my garage but your still right I should have a respirator and not just a dust mask. “Do as I say not as I do” applies here. Lol
I has a similar project with aluminum, and used the exact same primer, however I used the Krylon Fusion spray paint. It worked great, and 6 mos. Later still looks good. Seemed to stick really well!
Thank you so much for this video.
Every psint store that I've asked in my area says rustoleum.
My dad had a special paint for aluminum but no one seems to know wth im talking about nowadays.
I have am aluminum birdbath that is black inside and I want to paint it a sea blueish.
I yried my old rustoleum but it just peelid off in 3 months.
I'm going to do what you did. ❤
Thanks again!
Aluminum creates a natural oxide that acts like a layer between the paint and the aluminum and keeps the paint from actually sticking to the aluminum. That's why it's recommended to sand the aluminum with 80 grit then some finer sand paper to remove the oxide. The oxide does start generating again rapidly so only do still the sanding if your prepared to prime the aluminum the same day. The self etching primer is needed because aluminum is such a naturally smooth finish the paint literally just runs off and doesn't stick. The sanding helps create a rough surface and the etching primer also creates thousands of microscopic etched in the finish so the paint sticks and bonds directly to the work and doesn't run the risk of ever cracking,flaking or anything like that. One last tip I like to add to anybody that's going to do this make sure the paint that you're using is rated for extreme temperatures your toolbox is going to range from very cold to extremely hot temperatures and it is guaranteed 2 flake off and crack if you don't use paint designed for that rough environment. Other than that is a very simple job it's a fun little DIY. Oh and I almost forgot after you're done sanding wipe everything down with vinegar a couple of times and make sure it's very clean vinegar also helps the paint in the primer it here to the aluminum 😉
Great information thanks for sharing.
SMG no problem man I'm a professional painter so figured I would share the process really not that difficult the painting is the really easy part multiple light coats you can't go wrong something like this is 95% prep work whenever you think you're done do a little extra as a rule of thumb 🤘
how can etch it without self-etching prime? if I add HCL it is considered etching g?
Excellent advice. Some small portions of my aluminum running boards on my truck are peeling and need a touch up. Thanks
When I was in welding school back in the day we had to clean aluminum really good with a wire brush we used ONLY for aluminum (so it wouldn’t cross contaminate) and right before welding, basically within 5 minutes of cleaning because it oxidizes so quickly…. I mean you couldn’t clean it and go to lunch and come back and weld, too much time after cleaning, hope that helps give anyone some perspective….
I love that you ask us to push you over 200 subs in the vid and already have over 4000. PROGRESSION!
The aluminum's electric charge does not easily accept painting. Also, aluminum surfaces are microscopically smoother. By scuffing the metal, it gives it surface to adhere to.
Thanks for taking the time. It was exactly what I needed to know for painting a new type of material. GOD BLESS YOU, for knowing your audience, and not taking 12 minutes to tell us the general priniples of paint application... I have been painting since I was 4.
Haha thanks for that compliment. I appreciate it. Hardly anybody wants the science behind it. They just need to know how and quick.
Very informative and just what I needed to know on how to paint my aluminium trims.
I sandblasted all my Aluminium furniture and then prayed it with a good exterior acrylic paint.....that was 10 years ago and still looks brand new today.
There you go! You shouldn’t need self etching primer if you take the time to etch it yourself.
You must etch metal, especially aluminium. I have found that you should always use the same brand clear coat.
Reason is that using another brand, the mixture of paint and thinners is massively important. Some clear coats have a lot more thinners in it and will react to the paint. From my experience I have found that rustoleum is the best paint for any metal.
Thank you for experimenting for me and informing me... just subscribed.. keep the lessons coming
I really loved your video. Candid, real and honest
You need to use DTM (direct to metal) paint. Available at most paint stores, Sherwin and Benjamin…. In most cases, where finish is decent, it is not necessary to prime with DTM. I would recommend priming though…
I've been so educated...You did a really good job 👍
I have flunked aluminum painting too. I was told that you must get that top coat on the etching primer on at that 40-60 minute time mark.
Enjoyed the video... I don't fish, but this was super helpful for what I wanted to know, so thanks!
+Lily Williams thank you. I tried to make it as universal as I could.
That's what I needed to know! Paint doesn't adhere well to aluminum...so use a "SELF ETCHING PRIMER". I'm repainting my cast aluminum patio table set!
Appreciate you sharing. Same problem here, now I have a solution.
You have to wait until the paint is fully cured before spraying any clear coat. There is evaporating and degasifying going on for days. Check the paint label. You will see something like dry to the touch 15 min. Okay to handle after 2 hours. Fully cured after 7 days. (All these are affected by temp also.)
Very true
Thanks so much for this video. I want to touch up my 05 Lincoln LS. It has aluminum front fenders ,,hood,,truck lid.
I will do a rest spot first. Again,,thank you,,!!!!!
+Doug Rv no problem. Let me know how it turns out.
200 subscribers hey, looks like you've passed that now. Thanks for the tip
The first go round where it peeled, not sure what the problem was but I learned the hard way that you can't mix Rustoleum with other brands! Rustoleum is enamel and most everything else, (ie Krylon) is laquer. The thing I don't like about Rustoleum primer is many days later it may be dry to the touch but it's not really hard, not good for automotive.
i have self etching primer for aluminum and galvanized steel.. is it possible to be used on normal steel too? i wanna repaint my old steel bike frame, but this is the only spray primer i have
How well is the paint job holding up. Thanks!
How did it hold up to heat? My valve covers on my classic Mustang wont hold the paint. I have to keep repainting them.
Thanks mate. Great video. About to do some on my ute. Least now I know👍👍👍
I believe it has to do with the surface roughness, steel has a rougher surface then aluminum.
So I'm working on a fishing cart, I have been trying to get the aluminum to work but I'm not liking the finish I'm getting with it, so I want to paint it, I've been hitting the aluminum with 220 sandpaper, do I need to go more aggressive if I'm going to paint it. I have a fish n mare JR. I could use the help I've never attempt a aluminum project before.
36 grit sandpaper. Then acetone. Paint will stick every time. Revised: I have since stopped using acetone and moved to a 60 grit sandpaper. After sanding I wipe down with a dry clean rag and paint immediately before oxidation has time to start. On aluminum a coarse sandpaper is needed for the paint to bond to the surface. 80 grit sandpaper is not coarse enough.
Is the finish smooth?
@@UncleJunior52 actually I have stopped doing the acetone all together and have gone to 60 grit. 80 is not coarse enough. Once sanded I wipe it clean with a dry clean rag and then paint immediately before any oxidation can start. You need a coarse sandpaper for the paint to bond.
please explain more so I clean the surface with Aston and then sand it with 60 grit and after that I clean it again with an action and start coating immediate?
60 grit sandpaper??? You are going to see some ugly gouges and scratches... you should be sanding with no less than 400 grit otherwise it's going to look like zoro went to town on your project
@@GeraltOfRivia99 look don’t tell what to do painting aluminum. I know what I am doing. I’ve been t through that bullshit 400 grit sand paper and a paint job will not last one month and it will just fade away. After 3 coats and 2 clear coats it does not look like zoro went to town on it. I have a reputation of having one of the most durable paint jobs. I can tell that you have never painted aluminum for being outdoors. That 60 grit gives that paint something to bite into and stay on my kinetic blades. No ugly gouges and scratches. You’ve got to remember this is not a hood of a car that I am painting. I am painting something that is on a pole turning in the wind and I’ve got to have the anodized automotive paint last for many many years. In fact I’ve had so many compliments on my paint jobs. My paint jobs have a candy look and the paint is what helps sell my product. You are so wrong about everything. You have never painted aluminum. If you have tried it has been unsuccessful.
Figured I'd need to use primer. Thanks for the confirmation.
You're welcome! Glad my video could help!
Thanks for sharing your learning! Much appreciated.
That's awesome I enjoyed the video. Thanks for all of the info.
+Bernie Scheiner I'm glad you enjoyed it. Let me know if you have any more questions. Don't forget to subscribe. I'm laying carpet right this moment. You don't wanna miss the rest of these videos.
Actually yes I have aluminum that needs I am going coating Iron Armor/Herculiner even they call for the primer this is my first run of aluminum paint/coating beat myself up on why the primer? now I know thanks
I don't really care for fishing. Sought the aluminum spray knowledge but I subscribed because I liked your delivery and your sign off is pretty bad ass. If you end up changing it, do something similar
+Raj Siewrattan thanks. I really appreciate that. The majority of my videos aren't even fishing related and I'm planning some new content as we speak. Let me know how you like one of my newer videos. This one is a bit rough as far as "my delivery" goes. Lol thanks for the sub.
Damn bro in the vid you was talking about having 200 subs. Now you're on your way to 4k!
I'm amazed every time!
Excellent presentation fast, efficient value information - right to the point. You answered all my question. AAAAA++++++
I love fishing so please let me know when you make the video of you catching some.
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+tthomasr1425 you know what. I haven't ordered anything from Tackle Warehouse in a long time. Maybe I'll do an unboxing of all my subscribers favorite tackle and then give the box away.
what about partially painted aluminum shock absorbers - very well sanded still with some original paint on it and it has to be completely resistant to automatic transmission fluid?
Just find a paint that will do the job. They sell some engine paint that works for that specific purpose.
Thank you for your video, that was a very good information. 👍
Thanks for watching buddy! I'm glad you were able to learn something.
Can't wait to try this out.
Can you use this on aluminum heads in an engine
Most importantly, how did it turn out? Did you find the primer made a noticeable difference in the adhesion of the paint? I'm looking to do an entire boat soon...
+Daniel Cartis absolutely. This thing turned out really good. If your planning on doing a whole boat it's a must have unless you already have a primer base on the boat. When I painted my 14ft boat it already had a primer base on it so I just scuffed it up and added the layer of paint I needed. If I painted my 16ft boat which has no paint on it I would absolutely need to use self etching primer. I would probably over do it too. Using about 4-6 layers of primer and then 4 layers of paint and then clear if you want it. Just know that his isn't the best way to paint a boat. Using a spray gun is the best way to do it. This just happens to be he cheapest way to do it with the tools that I have.
I couldn't figure out if you were spraying primer or the paint. The paint was going to be green like what you were spraying.
did the paint stick ?
Did that paint stick to the aluminum ?
Hey guys, is this the same when you paint aluminum alloy? And also what should i do if the material is already sanded and polished, should i sand it before applying the primer?
Good question man. I'm not the person to ask I just kind of stumbled on this with my application. Do some research into it. You can find a lot of good information about the chemical makeup and how to apply for your application.
This primer comes in black.. and black is the color I want.. and I don't want it too shiny either, would you just leave that in primer, or just clear coat the primer?
I did not clear mine. I just made sure to put something other than the self etching primer over the primer. It’s a primer not a paint designed to keep scratches off.
Do you need to sand i got motorcycle with aluminum rim they are brand new want to paint them black do you this this will work for the rims
I would take something to scratch them up before painting.
so my boat has a thick coat of brown on the hull , when I apply the paint stripper, how do i remove the mess? hose it down? then should I dry it before applying the primer? thanks
+dacastro1 I'm going to say dont hose it down ;) the EPA probably wouldn't like that too much. If you could rinse it without making a chemical waste epidemic then I would find a way to do that. But yes. They also make an after wash that is supposed to remove the mess that the paint stripper leaves.
Let's say I rinsed it in a bucket with water and then properly disposed of the chemical runoff.... let's say it totally didn't kill my grass and everything around it. Let's say I'm a completely responsible adult and did the right thing.
+dacastro1 if I were you I would just paint over the brown paint that's already on it. It makes for a good primer. Just make sure to scuff up the paint before you paint over it.
Can I prime aluminum boat?
And how you’re almost at 5,000. Good job
Although this video is 5 years old, it still is very helpful today and probably after 5 more years the same will hold true.
Thanks!
I'm glad it helped. Hopefully a new video to replace this one in the future.
lol, 100 Subs at the time of filming.. I look down.. 3.35k subs. Congrats man!
Thanks man this channel surely got bigger than I expected.
Would this process work on some blistering paint on an aluminum boat?
I would make sure to sand the paint down to a paintable surface first but sure. It’s not going to be the best looking. But it’ll get the job done.
I saw your channel when you shared it to a local fishing sight (nwi) and looked you up on you tube. I'm restoring a 12ft 60's sea king and might steal some of your ideas. If you got any ideas for a sump system for a boat without a plug or installing a plug I'd love to hear them and or see a video on electronics in boats also. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for coming over to UA-cam and checking out my videos. I'm really glad you enjoy the videos, steal as many ideas as you can, that's the whole purpose of this channel, and if you have any suggestions for me I'd love to hear them.
As far as the sump/bilge pump goes, I plan on adding one towards the end of this build when I start doing all the electrical and put in the livewell. I would have to say for a 12ft boat I would go for a drain for sure but then you might also want to add an additional smaller pump that you can toss in the bottom of your boat if you need to use it (that's what I've done in the past).
For installing the drain plug I would go with something simple like this. Just make sure you seal it with a proper marine grade silicone/sealant so that your boat doesn't take on any water.
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SMG Fishin' I was looking at something like that just so I have a plug for when the boat is sitting.I plan on getting a little sump from Walmart, they have them for like 20 bucks I think.
I just painted my boat with rustoleum paint. Now that I finally finished I don't like it at all. Can I use the self etching paint to paint over the paint and re paint it again. I don't want to sand it down AGAIN!
I would probably find an easier way to sand. Painting over an already bad pint job will only piss you off in the long run.
I spray painted my bicycle wheels black there alliminium wheels but I can scrape the spray paint off how do I fix it
Watch the video buddy! Etch the crap out of it before spraying. Using a chemical or abrasive will work most of the time. If it doesn't it's probably not worth the hassle of painting to begin with.
What type of paint can I put on top of the self etching primer? Any paint? Sprays? Water based? Oil based? It would be for an outdoor aluminum surface, and I would like a *matte/flat* sheen in brown.
+Johannes Kalb I would go with an oil based paint if your going to be using it outside. I'm sure others would work though.
Thanks! Anything else I need to consider? or does pretty much ANY oil based paint work? Does the paint need to say that it is for metals?
I mean I can give you the PC answer and tell you to make sure you check the label to see if it's compatible. You can see the type of paint l like to use in the video, which is also linked at the very top of the description.
SMG Fishin' What would u suggest for painting bath fixtures?
Always lightly sand a smooth surface, allow 24 hrs between primer & paint, be sure to wash the surface with soap and water, before paint
I Would use a Grey scratch pad then spray adhesive, then etch premier .should be golden
That isn't a respirator meant for fumes. Be careful bud.
Any help/tips on painting an aluminum awning outside? Anyone?
Should be just about the same as what I’ve done here. Just make sure you sand it down good and apply a good primer. Thanks for watching. Good luck!
Would this work for me to paint my 01 Honda cr125 frame and swingarm with some grip tape where my boots ride on the frame
That’s a really good question. I think your frame and swingarm might have a clear coat on it right now you might have to get off first to paint it. I know most people typically powder coat their frames. I don’t see why you couldn’t though. Probably wouldn’t hold up as good. Let me know how it goes if you decide to paint it.
SMG just need to wait for it to get warmer so I can paint thanks for the help I’m probably going to use a lot of clear so it holds up
sir, may I know after applying that primer is the color scratch proof?
+Mohammad Irfan I wouldn't say scratch proof but it definitely helps by adding a layer of paint between the top coat and the metal.
Don't forget that paint has a dual purpose. Not only does it look good but its main purpose is to protect the metal from rusting over time. The more layers you have the better protection you'll have.
Thank you so much for your response, sir. :)
+Mohammad Irfan no problem.
122 880 new subscribers since this video was made. Congrats
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Can I use 2 part metal primer?
Sounds like it might work. I've never personally used it but do your research or do some trial and error. Good luck!
you should give away your chikes. Also good video but you should always lightly sand after applying your primer to create a a better bond between your primer and your paint.
thanks for the tip, I didn't know that could be an option. by scuffing you mean a slight sanding?med or fine?
+dacastro1 yep exactly.
+dacastro1 and don't worry about asking all the questions. I love helping my subscribers out. Anything I can do to help. You should take some before and after pictures and post them on my Facebook page when your done. I'd love to see the progress.
I wanted to know cause I have aluminum phone case that the paint just keep coming offf
100? that was 3 years ago. NOW your at 4,000!!!!
There's not a cabela's close to me, but I guess we could still use it online. Bass Pro Shop is what's near me.
+Subversive Hippie maybe I'll just do a gift card to the winners choice for a certain amount.
I thought that you needed a layer of something between the self etching primer and top coat.
Can I do the same with my aluminum keyboard?
Maybe a can of the the stripper or wash or self etching primer for the giveaway?
O D green= Olive Drab Green
+mikeb33 yessir
Love the tips and tricks! Good job bud
+Shawn Thacker thank you sir.
Thanks for the video. Just what I needed. I'll be sticking around to see what's next. If you don't mind check out what I got!!! until the next time....🤙
if you have a large enough bag, stick whatever you cover in paint stripper in there while you wait for it to work... it stops the stripper evaporating off.
Thanks for the tips, but a paper/cloth "respirator" does nothing to prevent chemical fumes from getting into your lungs - they're only for dust particulates. Use a a full chemical mask - one that has charcoal filters - to protect your lungs from chemical fumes.
You are absolutely correct. Thanks for watching.
This is so false. I use alot of oil base paints and a n95 respirator no matter what it's made out of offers the same protection. For spray painting a little thing like that perfectly fine to have that resperator
It does not. It attaches to the respirator and actually makes the air your breathing worse. If you can smell it, it's entering your blood stream. You probably think it's going to stop covid too, quiet 🐑.
Does aluminium paint stick to white paint on walls?
I don't see why it wouldn't. Then again why would you use self etching primer on a wall? unless it's an aluminum wall...
I spent a number of years in the aircraft repair biz, painting aluminum is constantly going on, so prep is critical. You don't want your A321 peeling during a 37, 000 ft flight across country! LOl! You want to start by using a chemical called Alumiprep 33, followed by Alodine 1201. Plenty of videos on youtube showing there use , but, they are worth it before painting. This is all about controlling the oxidation process
Is it good for painting bath fixtures?
+Christina Jenkins are those bath fixtures aluminum?
I'm not really sure about what kind of paint you would want to use on a bath fixture. I guess it all depends on what exactly you're looking for. I'm sure a paint rep at your hardware store could help you out with that. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
maybe a medicine cabinet....that's the only thing I can think of.
+John Doe that's another one that might work.
I scuffed the heck out of my old aluminum boat removing the old paint. Two birds!?! Lol.
Thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Any ideas how to get decals off an aluminium horse trailer?
You might try the same paint remover I used in this video. To be honest I’m not sure if it’ll work. I’ve had some trouble getting old decals off aluminum but most of the time it just takes time to peel them off.
Soak decal in wd40
That’s a good idea. I’ll have to try that out!
Get the 3-M decal removing wheel....removed all the decals and adhesive from a 20 year old and 24ft pontoon boat with ease...$40 but worth every penny
Thank you!
If you don't mind me asking, where is your intro filmed at? Looks ALOT like where I hunt also
SMG Fishin' thanks for the reply, but I meant where were you hunting at? That's not in Claridge PA is it?
Haha, yea I just realized that. No it's down south in VA.
SMG Fishin' ah ok. It's weird how much that section of the power line and field looks like a spot I hunt haha.
Yea that's pretty funny. haha
Bare aluminum oxidizes. Paint will not stick to this oxidized surface that will continue oxidizing. This process starts almost immediately. You need to fine sand and then clean (remove all of the dust) form the cleaned aluminum then use an etching primer on the bare surface immediately! Never sand this coat of self etching primer. Self etching primer chemically bonds with the aluminum creating a chemical bond rather than just a mechanical bond. Cover the self etching primer with a filler primer and lightly sand with 320 grit and clean again. Then apply your paint coat and a clear coat if necessary.
Good video👍 painting my aluminum bike frame has been a real pain.
Thanks I appreciate it.
SMGn I purchased the self etching primer. Now I just gotta wait for this humidity to drop below 55%-ish ( a hard enough task in itself)
Yea. Good luck man.
Good tips
Thank you Mike.
As a former safety officer and constant do it your self-er, I like your M O, but my past experience of 'hitting my head against the wall, because it feels good when I stop', days are hopefully behind me?! I just all of us 'doers' to keep on doing . Keep up the good work brother.
you should never use a propane heater in your garage because of the moisture comes out as a result of the propane burning it makes it very humid in your garage the paint will take forever to dry I learned this when I was trying to paint some of my Mustang parts and wondering why the paint wasn't getting hard I looked over my humidity Gage in the garage and it was over a hundred percent humidity in there
Good to know. Thanks.
Yes. I don't have one, but it is always good to know details
if you dont recoat within the time limit usually 10 to 30 minutes you have to wait for full cure witch can take 3 to 5 days
one more quick question and I'll stop. brush or spray. brush would be best for my situation but I could spray if necessary. thanks again. I appreciate it.
+dacastro1 it's all up to you. I found spray will have a nicer finish. But brushing is a lot less harmful and significantly less money.
That’s how you learn bro, now you know what not to do👍
Exactly! Keep on chugging and when in doubt, someone else has probably already done it and posted it on a forum or youtube.
so, you didn't sand it?
love your videos, I have to tell ya, those white mask are particle mask, not really the best for chemicals. they are used for dust and what not
+Chris Crow yea I really need to get a proper respirator. Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoy them.
ya got yourself another sub. so far outa all the tiny Bass boat conversions on you tube you have done a fantastic job showing us the details and explained them well. very helpful
+Chris Crow I appreciate that. Thank you very much.
At least put a fan near the stripper application, or do it outdoors. Methylene Chloride is nasty, nasty stuff to inhale
+Michael Caswell thanks for the tip. I need to purchase a good respirator.