I like how you left the mistakes in the video and explained what happened. Most UA-camrs only show the perfect take and don’t ever explain what could go wrong. That’s frustrating to those of us trying to duplicate their results.
One thing worth mentioning is that the copper wire you were using is enameled. this type of wire is used to create coils for transformers and motors. the enamel coating insulates the individual windings from each other, so unless you sand it off (like you seem to have done at 1:45) you probably wont get a proper connection. The other thing is that the current will prefer shorter parts through the water, which is why the bigger part only partially anodized. The pedal was smaller, so the difference in path lenght wasnt as big and you got a more even coating.
Just so EVERYONE is aware this is ONLY the process for titanium. That was important let me say it again. THIS IS ONLY FOR TITANIUM! Aluminum anodizing is not done with just an electrolyte solution. Aluminum anodize is done in a sulfuric acid solution (the strength of the solution is usually proprietary to the company). The temperature of the solution needs to be held in a specific range or you risk burning the part. In Aluminum anodizing, Type II is a weak basic electrical and corrosion resistant coating (Almost every plating shop does this type). While type 3 is basically case hardening of aluminum (rockwell 60 to 70), which also provides an electrical and corrosion resistant coating (You need a specialized shop generally to get type III as it's much more difficult to do).
@@actionjksn type 2 anodizing happens around 70 degrees. Type 3 happens around 30. Outside of using a battery charger you're not likely to have enough power to anodize a very big aluminum part. Anodizing shops use DC rectifiers capable of putting out thousands of amps of power at 20 to 60 volts.
@@garygsp3 have a bunch of old laptop power supplies and that's what I'm planning to use for power. They are DC and between 15 and 18 volts usually I think.
Very interesting. I am the lab lead at a chemical processing plant where we do multiple types of anodizing. Type II, Type III hard coat, Boric Sulfuric and Chromic anodize. Neat to see similar applications done at home.
Thanks for that. Whenever I've seen the coloured metal I've just imagined it was done somehow with a laser. lol You mean you just soak it in acid, give it a jump start and you get rainbows?
My wife is a robotics and engineering middle school teacher and I love sharing y’all’s videos with her to show her kids and keep them interested in engineering
It’s a clown class where kids just play with toys… a woman is teaching it(obvious diversity quota hire is obvious), how technical could it possibly be 😂
It's part of the FIRST TECH CHALLENGE robotics competition. I also coach 8 - 12 graders. Students can actually start in kindergarten with Legos (FIRST LEGO LEAGUE) and learn basic engineering and coding.
@cloydchiro They literally do around the world. World Championships were just held in Houston. Last year, a team of 8th graders from Iowa nearly went.
Reverse polarity and it removes the material from other sample, then toggle polarity back and forth... Aluminum works well with copper coins for example, but silver works well with most metals... Also the spectrum of color is broader if you vary the voltages instead off being limited to 9 v increments with using batteries, a good DC power supply that is a Variac with high amperage at low voltage will give you consistant end results.
Also for the big part, More cathodes around the Bowl for consistency. Energy travels straight, so try and get a bowl deep enough to have the sides of the part with the most surface area facing the cathodes. If it matters.
Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful. Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful.
I know nothing about machining and only ended up here because I want to anodise some Aluminium parts, but boy am I glad I watched, that is one of the most entertaining videos I have seen in a while and I learned something. Absolutely love the presenting style great work
NERD!!!! 🤣🤣 That had me going. You guys crack me up with all the shenanigans and fun you have while filming and working you do. Nice job on the explanations Barry. Looked like a lot of fun and troubleshooting for you.
Thanks Jerm! And yeah, i had already played with like 20 parts before this video…..including the exact same part that became a “tie dyed monstrosity.” It anodised perfectly off camera 😂
I use simple green instead of the water/baking soda mix with good results, also using an adjustable power supply let’s you fine tune it to dial in the color better since 9v increments is a pretty significant amount
Hey! I'm about to try this myself, and you seem to have some experience. Is the process exactly the same for aluminium as for the titanium he's showing here? And how much voltage/how big of a power supply (roughly), do you need to reach a black color?
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nice video, and work in general; subbed. You have a teaching voice and demeanor that warrants going into actual voltages, power supplies... the differences in the types of anodizing etc.
This speaks to Most YT, instructional videos. Kinda like a "Smart" phone, the fancy gadgets are doing Most of the hard work and, if you haven't already dropped a shitload of money into your "do the hard work for me" gadgets, the idea of you recreating said project stops a day or two after finishing the video. To you specific comment, that generl idea applies to someone that just so happens to have the unique metals just sitting around.
Higher voltage and acids for aluminum to get the tubes to grow, then heated dip in dyes, then instant cooling in another tank to seal the grown tubes trapping the color. I like this better!!!😂
Nice!! I appreciate know how. I've done something similar to this but instead of coating I took rust off cast-iron useing a Sacrifice Piece of metal to pull the rust from the Pan onto your a sacrifice piece. Kind of like the navy ships they use anodes & put very small charge onto the surface of the ship🛳 with those abodes all over the sides & bottom. Instead of getting rusty or deteriorating it's just the sacrifice anodes that get Corroded saves millions a year on maintenance. 🚢
I bought my dad a caswell plating kit for his birthday a while back and we've been playing around it for a year or so now. Did a lot of NiZn plating but have yet to play with anodizing which is definitely on our list!
for hard anodizing you need a mixture of Ve water, sulfuric acid and oxalic acid. the whole thing needs a temperature of around -1 to -2 degrees Celsius. then it depends on the alloy. the more copper, the more likely you are to burn the parts. the alloy 7075 or 6061 works best, with 7075 being easier to color. so much for home use.
I wonder if a cheaper way to accomplish this would be to use a cheap voltage regulator from fleabay and a laptop charger. Most of them are 20V at 3A or 4.5A, which would provide current enough for the voltage regulator to give 60V or 90V at low amperage, similar to those batteries hooked up in series, but without the expense of disposable batteries, plus you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge before the process completes.
I did some anodising on parts of my motorbike years ago but using a modified 12v battery charger, good anodising requires low voltage high current, and at some point even keeping the water cool is important
Built an ran an entire 12 tank anodizing system for a 9 fingered Australian here in Jacksonville FL for anodizing aluminum bike rims built on site. It was a horrible experience that I loved for the knowledge and figuring it all out! (If you've never seen a nine fingered Australian leaning inches over an aerated bubbling vat of sulphuric acid with no mask or eye protection asking if it smells off to you, while you are standing 10 feet away and coughing, Jeebus Crispies, there is not much else to ask for in this world!!!) 😂
No Only non-ferrous metals Technically, with magnesium and titanium, you’re just like, changing the “visual wavelength emitting off the surface”, like Barry explains at the end.. but, Aluminum anodizing is done kinda different than on this video, cuz you gotta have a diluted sulfuric acid bath for the part to soak in, because what’s going on is the chemical reaction created at a specific voltage and temperature (68~72deg F ..for +\- 1~2 hours, depending on pH, specific gravity, dissolved aluminum nano particles, etc..) causes electrolysis on the surface, kinda like an EDM.. that electrolysis produces oxygen to form on the surface of the part. Well, you’re converting aluminum into aluminum oxide, and kinda “growing” a porous oxide layer, kinda like skin. .. but anyways, yeah, that’s what’s goin on.. lol
Just stumbled upon this video… I have to say, this was very entertaining. Informative as well, will be doing an experiment to see if I can achieve this color change. Keep this format, bloopers, issues and other mishaps, this is a great way to entertain and keep your audience engaged. Cheers.
Starting a Discord is going to be, in my opinion, worth it in the long run. A lot of younger guys (myself included) love using Discord as a friend group to chat about a lot of different things, and have it organized. It may take a while to capture the younger audience, but when it does, it is going to be crazy. I feel like the creativity people will share is going to be mind blowing. Can't wait to see where it goes! Great video too! I never knew you could do some simple anodizing with stuff from home. I will need to try this on some of the fun and artistic stuff I make!
It basically is social media but better gated to people are specifically very interested in the topic. Which cuts out so much of the stupid toxicity that is normal SM. @@kw2519
Distilled water, baking soda, 9v batteries and copper wire are definitely "household items," but it didn't work with those items. And what worked required titanium. I'm not sure titanium is a common household object. Is there an alternative to using titanium for the anode?
Hello, Nice video, thank you for it! Could you please confirm the number of 9v batteries needed for blue anodising? It looks like 6 but please confirm. Thank you!
Did my first toxic anodizing of titanium last year on BRS balisong scales. Protip, when using hydrofluoric acid. Wear a mask. For sure shaved a solid 8 years off my lifespan breathing in a plume of smoke. The way the scales came out made it well worth it.
For showing the mistake AND having coworkers messing with you (did you find a good place to bury the body? 😂😂) and letting us know that you’re human too, you more than earned my sub!
Cool that you did this video (really).. Unfortunately, Aluminium would be more on par with my budget (don't have any spare titanium laying around... I think... Is 'surgical steel' titanium..? (Then maybe my piercings, but I have my doubts.. ;))
Very cool. Any chance this would work on Aluminum? I've heard that you need more of a setup for aluminum but have no real experience with either. Thanks
Would highly recommend washing soda instead of baking soda. Much better electrolyte. For large parts you want multiple cathodes to create even distribution of current. And connect the anode as centrally as possible. Great video!
You did near exactly what I constructed mentally several years ago, but never got around to lol. *I even have graphite rods for electrodes, so they don't break down like conductive metals eventually do.* And yes, *I actually have a formal scientific education in electrical/electronics engineering lol.* Titanium will be durable, but still gradually break down at the quantum level. *Graphite rods will last indefinitely.* I have a lot of powder coating paint that should work perfectly for this, and rather than just a plating, it should bond beyond the skinning effect more like anodizing but without the dangerous acid bath.
Could we see the other end of the spectrum too? Something like magnetron sputtering or thermionic deposition? Love to see y'all do an in house TiN coated tool or platinum coated electrodes for even better anodizing. Plus there just really fascinating processes in and of themselves.
@@barrysetzer I found out about them from this video if your curious ua-cam.com/video/XHQxghdj2ks/v-deo.html I was slightly wrong about the name of the second one, its actually called thermal evaporation deposition not thermionic deposition. I do think thermionic sounds cooler though :)
Stumbled on this video. It turned out the process isn't relevant to what I want to do but the presenter is so great I couldn't stop watching. Please also consider creating a tutorial on how to create an effective and entertaining video tutorial!
Great video! Btw, that's not an "illusion of color", it IS a color. Depending on the thickness of the coating, constructive and destructive interference of light yields just the color or colors (frequencies) that you see. Paints and other coatings produce color by absorption / reflection; this (color of anodized coating) happens because of interference, but it's still color.
Ooh, ooh! And apparently you can make "rugate filter"s whose color depends on the electrical waveform you used during etching! ua-cam.com/video/iwj78pR46zM/v-deo.html
I got a question could you do a first anodize, then mask it off the the anodize at a different level, so you basically get 2 tone designs? i would like to know how you could do alot of different colors if it is possible
@@lieutenantdan1413 but what would happen if you masked the first then completely uncover for the second? Would the the two colors mix or just be covered up by one color?
@@thomasheisler im assuming that since the first layer is ixodized that there would be s relatively clean break in color. Idk though, i dont have titanium scrap metal laying around.
any metal that is in the sub tank will be turned in most cases. doing two tones is pretty much submerging half into sub tank and doing one voltage, then submerging the other half and doing a different voltage.
....You can use other materials bud. Stop looking for problems, look for solutions. You can order an aluminum or titanium whatever and do this at home.
When we were teens did the same thing except i used a electric train control you could mark the control to get different colors more precise every time
That's pretty slick.. Would stainless work as anode/cathode? So 6 batteries @9 volts each is 54 volts for blue? What are the other voltages for each of the other known colors?
You guys should do a whole video about the science of heat leaving a cut in the chips. I've heard mixed things over the years about what color your chips should be.
I have so many questions. Does it have to be titanium? No, follow path. Could you do fenders, hood etc. Rainbow effect on titanium, is that anodized? Can you get a Lichtenstein effect like they do with wood? And after too many years in the swamps of Ft. Polk I have only one question...How do you stain stainless steel? From one nerd to another, I've only achieved an etching pattern, very light by using mayonnaise .
This guy reminds me kf when i first saw Jim Carry on In Living Color, and just knew that he & Damon Wayans were gonna go far. Any network executive worth their salt would pick this up in a heartbeat. Only a matter of time.
Whats the point?, as soon as you said it doesnt ad a protective layer, i was done, the main point of anodizing, is to make a part a bit more durable ,so the part does not corrode as fast & the colour, for a bit of bling.
you are getting colour gradients since the current density is higher near the cathode, a circular cathode (stainless works) all around your par will help
I once saw an old restored historic 1970s funny car at a vintage drag race and all the sheet aluminum chassis trim panels and some of the engine parts like the valve covers were anodized in a very very cool psychodelic purple, green, blue and gold multi colored splotchy pattern.....almost looked like a tie dyed shirt.....never seen anything annodized like that since, would love to know how they did it or what the process was.....it was original to the car from the 70s and definately not painted.
Is it the extra volts or amps that effects the color? You didn't explain if the extra batteries were wired parallel or top to bottom. If it's the volts you could use a potentiometer to change the color. Also, can it be done with AC power straight from the outlet or does anodizing only work with DC power?
Have you tried using a conventional 12 volt battery charger powered by a rheostat (light dimmer switch) inline with the electrical source to vary the voltage/amp output?
So, varying the voltage varies the color. But, why use batteries? Why not a 110v rectifier with variable DC output where you can just dial the desired output voltage? They're pretty cheap. (And, how long do batteries last in this operation?)
Too funny. Anodizing the easy metal to anodize, & also probably one of the most expensive metals to make parts with. This video would be great if Titanium grew on trees!
I don’t know why or how this ended up in my feed but here I am. Anyway I worked in a sign shop for years in the “engineering” (we weren’t real engineers, my boss was just pretentious and gave that name to our dept) and we always used anodized aluminum, steel and whatnot. I had no clue what that meant. I figured it was some type coating. This is cool. I want to try it
Hey Man Awesome video my kids and I love the information. My wife wants to know if we can do this process to her piston lamps I made her using a car battery?
In the mid-80s this article came out in BMX plus magazine how to anodize your BMX parts. As a scientific 10 or 12 year-old I quickly converted my father's outdoor shed into anodizing shop and destroyed all my friends and neighbors BMX parts with shotty anodizing.
So from what I have experienced I get a much more even oxidation and more crisp colors when my negative in the electrolyte solution is a larger surface area than the part being annodized.
So if u put alot of the string of copper will it copper plate it? Or give it the look? Idk how this even came up in my feed I'm not a machinist maybe the gun angle idk but glad I seen it😂
I think this only works with titanium. You can anodize aluminum too but that doesn't give it color. Anodized aluminum can be colored with dye which is a cool trick too. I tried it once with clothes dye but it didn't get very nice. I think you should use special anodizing dye for that.
Interesting... both paints seem to have maintained the integrity of their colour. Then as you walk around, one or the other becomes dominant. I like this.
I like how you left the mistakes in the video and explained what happened. Most UA-camrs only show the perfect take and don’t ever explain what could go wrong. That’s frustrating to those of us trying to duplicate their results.
And I fell for it....Especially believing ma' man caught the dude heckling by, and put HIM inan "experiment" off camera....
Nah, people need to make it clear from the beginning. Nobody who's actually doing stuff gonna watch full video. So "the copper wire it is".
How about aluminum?
I guess I would just use Rit dye, to change the color.
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So water batteries and hyperconductive metals for painting and you don't have ve under 7 minutes
One thing worth mentioning is that the copper wire you were using is enameled. this type of wire is used to create coils for transformers and motors. the enamel coating insulates the individual windings from each other, so unless you sand it off (like you seem to have done at 1:45) you probably wont get a proper connection. The other thing is that the current will prefer shorter parts through the water, which is why the bigger part only partially anodized. The pedal was smaller, so the difference in path lenght wasnt as big and you got a more even coating.
Right! I actually had this enameled wire for another project using electromagnets. Personally learned alot just by making this video!
It's called Magnet Wire...since it's purpose is electromagnetic windings (amd chokes)
Shouldn’t you be using washing soda rather than baking soda for your electrolyte?
@@barrysetzer Nerd! 😁
........you guys are funny as hell. 👍
You can see the enamel sanded off each end in the video
Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful
yeahit was more of an idea what to look for
The failure was intentional to demonstrate why a different metal was used.
Just so EVERYONE is aware this is ONLY the process for titanium. That was important let me say it again. THIS IS ONLY FOR TITANIUM!
Aluminum anodizing is not done with just an electrolyte solution. Aluminum anodize is done in a sulfuric acid solution (the strength of the solution is usually proprietary to the company). The temperature of the solution needs to be held in a specific range or you risk burning the part. In Aluminum anodizing, Type II is a weak basic electrical and corrosion resistant coating (Almost every plating shop does this type). While type 3 is basically case hardening of aluminum (rockwell 60 to 70), which also provides an electrical and corrosion resistant coating (You need a specialized shop generally to get type III as it's much more difficult to do).
Yeah, because I have so much loose uncoated titanium just laying around.
I wonder if it's possible to put dry ice around the container to keep it cool?
@@actionjksn type 2 anodizing happens around 70 degrees. Type 3 happens around 30. Outside of using a battery charger you're not likely to have enough power to anodize a very big aluminum part. Anodizing shops use DC rectifiers capable of putting out thousands of amps of power at 20 to 60 volts.
@@garygsp3 have a bunch of old laptop power supplies and that's what I'm planning to use for power. They are DC and between 15 and 18 volts usually I think.
So what would happen if you tried the same setup with aluminum instead of titanium?
Very interesting. I am the lab lead at a chemical processing plant where we do multiple types of anodizing. Type II, Type III hard coat, Boric Sulfuric and Chromic anodize. Neat to see similar applications done at home.
Thanks for that. Whenever I've seen the coloured metal I've just imagined it was done somehow with a laser. lol You mean you just soak it in acid, give it a jump start and you get rainbows?
Do we need batteries or could we use a battery charger?
Any source works @@americanpatriot2979
Just chemicals.
@@americanpatriot2979Any dc electrical supply will work, but ac won’t.
My wife is a robotics and engineering middle school teacher and I love sharing y’all’s videos with her to show her kids and keep them interested in engineering
Where the hell do they teach engineering and robotics in middle school?
It’s a clown class where kids just play with toys… a woman is teaching it(obvious diversity quota hire is obvious), how technical could it possibly be 😂
It's part of the FIRST TECH CHALLENGE robotics competition. I also coach 8 - 12 graders. Students can actually start in kindergarten with Legos (FIRST LEGO LEAGUE) and learn basic engineering and coding.
@cloydchiro They literally do around the world. World Championships were just held in Houston. Last year, a team of 8th graders from Iowa nearly went.
@@BikingVikingHH poopin your pants you're so scared of women and children that know more than you. Tragic. 🤣
38 yo and I just learned today that you can stack 9 volt batteries like that. Thanks!
Yay science!!!
I used 3- 9v in series batteries to turn on sprinkler head valve.
Same here at 69.
Same and 38! 😂
Me 2! 38 and never seen that done neither!
Reverse polarity and it removes the material from other sample, then toggle polarity back and forth... Aluminum works well with copper coins for example, but silver works well with most metals...
Also the spectrum of color is broader if you vary the voltages instead off being limited to 9 v increments with using batteries, a good DC power supply that is a Variac with high amperage at low voltage will give you consistant end results.
Also for the big part, More cathodes around the Bowl for consistency. Energy travels straight, so try and get a bowl deep enough to have the sides of the part with the most surface area facing the cathodes. If it matters.
Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful. Thanks leaving the "failure" in and explaining what went wrong! Super helpful.
I tried to anodize my own parts, but the clips hurt too much.
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half a bottle of advil helps, my parts are thoroughly anodized
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I love how they teach you, and joke around. It makes the video more interesting and fun to watch.
As much as I do like this content....... your DELIVERY of said content is priceless! 😂
Bro i actually laugh at it and its me in the video. The 6:24 martha stuart reference is killler 😂😂
@Barry Setzer they say, we are our own worst critics, so if you can laugh at yourself, it proves you're REALLY good!
I know nothing about machining and only ended up here because I want to anodise some Aluminium parts, but boy am I glad I watched, that is one of the most entertaining videos I have seen in a while and I learned something. Absolutely love the presenting style great work
NERD!!!! 🤣🤣 That had me going. You guys crack me up with all the shenanigans and fun you have while filming and working you do. Nice job on the explanations Barry. Looked like a lot of fun and troubleshooting for you.
Thanks Jerm! And yeah, i had already played with like 20 parts before this video…..including the exact same part that became a “tie dyed monstrosity.” It anodised perfectly off camera 😂
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I use simple green instead of the water/baking soda mix with good results, also using an adjustable power supply let’s you fine tune it to dial in the color better since 9v increments is a pretty significant amount
Hey! I'm about to try this myself, and you seem to have some experience. Is the process exactly the same for aluminium as for the titanium he's showing here? And how much voltage/how big of a power supply (roughly), do you need to reach a black color?
I just turned 18. Have been working on my own cars since I was 11. I just want to say thank you so much for this channel and al I can learn. Subscribed 😊
nice video, and work in general; subbed. You have a teaching voice and demeanor that warrants going into actual voltages, power supplies... the differences in the types of anodizing etc.
Am i the only one that doesnt have titanium parts lying around to do this?
Slacker
When they give you Grampas ashes you can keep the hip or whatever. I went with lime green
@@asafoetidajones8181 they do not return those items
They sell them for scrap.
This speaks to Most YT, instructional videos. Kinda like a "Smart" phone, the fancy gadgets are doing Most of the hard work and, if you haven't already dropped a shitload of money into your "do the hard work for me" gadgets, the idea of you recreating said project stops a day or two after finishing the video. To you specific comment, that generl idea applies to someone that just so happens to have the unique metals just sitting around.
Man, no titanium parts laying around your house? Are you for real? You, sir, have failed at adulting. Lol
You should change the title to titanium since this won’t work with aluminum
You should learn to read, since the word "aluminum" isn't in the title of this video.
😂 that's what I was thinking
Higher voltage and acids for aluminum to get the tubes to grow, then heated dip in dyes, then instant cooling in another tank to seal the grown tubes trapping the color.
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Nice!! I appreciate know how.
I've done something similar to this but instead of coating I took rust off cast-iron useing a Sacrifice Piece of metal to pull the rust from the Pan onto your a sacrifice piece.
Kind of like the navy ships they use anodes & put very small charge onto the surface of the ship🛳 with those abodes all over the sides & bottom.
Instead of getting rusty or deteriorating it's just the sacrifice anodes that get Corroded saves millions a year on maintenance. 🚢
I bought my dad a caswell plating kit for his birthday a while back and we've been playing around it for a year or so now. Did a lot of NiZn plating but have yet to play with anodizing which is definitely on our list!
for hard anodizing you need a mixture of Ve water, sulfuric acid and oxalic acid. the whole thing needs a temperature of around -1 to -2 degrees Celsius. then it depends on the alloy. the more copper, the more likely you are to burn the parts. the alloy 7075 or 6061 works best, with 7075 being easier to color. so much for home use.
An explanation of your abbreviations would help me gain a clearer understanding, plz.
It's the grade of aluminum. Those are higher grades of it they listed.
Can this be done with any metal? Aluminum? Can the anode and cathode be a steel rod? Thanks for the video.
No.
I wonder if a cheaper way to accomplish this would be to use a cheap voltage regulator from fleabay and a laptop charger. Most of them are 20V at 3A or 4.5A, which would provide current enough for the voltage regulator to give 60V or 90V at low amperage, similar to those batteries hooked up in series, but without the expense of disposable batteries, plus you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge before the process completes.
Your production is getting better and better I need was already very good at the start!
Excellent video Thank you! Can I just ask, can the same method be used on normal steel parts, not just Titanium? Thank you again!
Looking for this answer as well ^^^
I did some anodising on parts of my motorbike years ago but using a modified 12v battery charger, good anodising requires low voltage high current, and at some point even keeping the water cool is important
I spent countless hours researching and anodizing my final project for my machining degree. I was able to anodize and dye aluminum.
You gonna give up the goods
I also would like to know your process to achieve this anodizing.
Maybe next year
Built an ran an entire 12 tank anodizing system for a 9 fingered Australian here in Jacksonville FL for anodizing aluminum bike rims built on site. It was a horrible experience that I loved for the knowledge and figuring it all out!
(If you've never seen a nine fingered Australian leaning inches over an aerated bubbling vat of sulphuric acid with no mask or eye protection asking if it smells off to you, while you are standing 10 feet away and coughing, Jeebus Crispies, there is not much else to ask for in this world!!!)
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How did he lose his finger? asking for a friend..
Can you anodize other metals like steel, brass, galvanized steel, stainless steel?
No
Only non-ferrous metals
Technically, with magnesium and titanium, you’re just like, changing the “visual wavelength emitting off the surface”, like Barry explains at the end.. but, Aluminum anodizing is done kinda different than on this video, cuz you gotta have a diluted sulfuric acid bath for the part to soak in, because what’s going on is the chemical reaction created at a specific voltage and temperature (68~72deg F ..for +\- 1~2 hours, depending on pH, specific gravity, dissolved aluminum nano particles, etc..) causes electrolysis on the surface, kinda like an EDM.. that electrolysis produces oxygen to form on the surface of the part. Well, you’re converting aluminum into aluminum oxide, and kinda “growing” a porous oxide layer, kinda like skin. .. but anyways, yeah, that’s what’s goin on.. lol
@@jamescyphe540 😅
@@jamescyphe540I got lost half way through reading. 🤯 What the hell you doing waiting time on UA-cam.
Go solve the world's problems already... Haha
Just stumbled upon this video… I have to say, this was very entertaining. Informative as well, will be doing an experiment to see if I can achieve this color change. Keep this format, bloopers, issues and other mishaps, this is a great way to entertain and keep your audience engaged. Cheers.
Starting a Discord is going to be, in my opinion, worth it in the long run. A lot of younger guys (myself included) love using Discord as a friend group to chat about a lot of different things, and have it organized. It may take a while to capture the younger audience, but when it does, it is going to be crazy. I feel like the creativity people will share is going to be mind blowing. Can't wait to see where it goes!
Great video too! I never knew you could do some simple anodizing with stuff from home. I will need to try this on some of the fun and artistic stuff I make!
Yup, discord has taken over. It’s like a private social media
It basically is social media but better gated to people are specifically very interested in the topic. Which cuts out so much of the stupid toxicity that is normal SM. @@kw2519
Barry is the Best ! My day is a bit better with Barry !
Its also nice to see the rare comment that ISNT calling me an idiot!!! Thanks!!!
@@barrysetzer Well , those who call you an idio will probably never learn anything than eyeballing something to an inch or so!
Distilled water, baking soda, 9v batteries and copper wire are definitely "household items," but it didn't work with those items. And what worked required titanium. I'm not sure titanium is a common household object. Is there an alternative to using titanium for the anode?
You can use carbon rods extracted from an old AA cell.
Yes thx, would love to see more video's talking about surface treatment options after machining
Hello, Nice video, thank you for it! Could you please confirm the number of 9v batteries needed for blue anodising? It looks like 6 but please confirm. Thank you!
What alloys could you do this on? could I anodize chromoly?
Did my first toxic anodizing of titanium last year on BRS balisong scales. Protip, when using hydrofluoric acid. Wear a mask. For sure shaved a solid 8 years off my lifespan breathing in a plume of smoke.
The way the scales came out made it well worth it.
If you invest in a variable power supply, you can get a wider range of colors and dial it into exact shades
Those old train set power supplies if you're really broke :) has a built in rheostat!
Subscribed. Anyone that includes the fails not just the successes is alright with me!
For showing the mistake AND having coworkers messing with you (did you find a good place to bury the body? 😂😂) and letting us know that you’re human too, you more than earned my sub!
Cool that you did this video (really).. Unfortunately, Aluminium would be more on par with my budget (don't have any spare titanium laying around... I think...
Is 'surgical steel' titanium..? (Then maybe my piercings, but I have my doubts.. ;))
Does this work with aluminum parts as well?
Nope! Just titanium
Very cool. Any chance this would work on Aluminum? I've heard that you need more of a setup for aluminum but have no real experience with either.
Thanks
“Now grab your everyday products at home like 3d printed brake pedals and alligator clips!” Heck I barely have 9v hanging around hahaha
Listening to this in my work van. Didn't know John C Reilly knew so much about metal coatings
Brule's Rules - For your health! 😂
Very cool!
Can you make a video about anodizing aluminium too?
THIS
What is the voltage to color range? Can work out the blue from this video but what voltage to use to get gold, red, etc.?
gold is typically 60-67 volts. red is un-obtainable. blues are typically around 30 volts. purples and bronzes are 14-27ish volts.
Would highly recommend washing soda instead of baking soda. Much better electrolyte.
For large parts you want multiple cathodes to create even distribution of current. And connect the anode as centrally as possible.
Great video!
You did near exactly what I constructed mentally several years ago, but never got around to lol. *I even have graphite rods for electrodes, so they don't break down like conductive metals eventually do.*
And yes, *I actually have a formal scientific education in electrical/electronics engineering lol.* Titanium will be durable, but still gradually break down at the quantum level. *Graphite rods will last indefinitely.*
I have a lot of powder coating paint that should work perfectly for this, and rather than just a plating, it should bond beyond the skinning effect more like anodizing but without the dangerous acid bath.
Could we see the other end of the spectrum too? Something like magnetron sputtering or thermionic deposition? Love to see y'all do an in house TiN coated tool or platinum coated electrodes for even better anodizing. Plus there just really fascinating processes in and of themselves.
I literally have no idea what those things are. And that intrigues me. So….YES!
@@barrysetzer I found out about them from this video if your curious ua-cam.com/video/XHQxghdj2ks/v-deo.html
I was slightly wrong about the name of the second one, its actually called thermal evaporation deposition not thermionic deposition. I do think thermionic sounds cooler though :)
Yeeahhh!! CVD and PVD coatings #ftw!
Except those devices are rather not cheap, likely well out of practical fiscal range for most home viewers.
Stumbled on this video. It turned out the process isn't relevant to what I want to do but the presenter is so great I couldn't stop watching. Please also consider creating a tutorial on how to create an effective and entertaining video tutorial!
Great video! Btw, that's not an "illusion of color", it IS a color. Depending on the thickness of the coating, constructive and destructive interference of light yields just the color or colors (frequencies) that you see. Paints and other coatings produce color by absorption / reflection; this (color of anodized coating) happens because of interference, but it's still color.
In some sense, yellow paint IS every color except yellow.
Ooh, ooh! And apparently you can make "rugate filter"s whose color depends on the electrical waveform you used during etching! ua-cam.com/video/iwj78pR46zM/v-deo.html
So which number of batteries gives which color with aluminum?
I got a question could you do a first anodize, then mask it off the the anodize at a different level, so you basically get 2 tone designs? i would like to know how you could do alot of different colors if it is possible
I'd assume so as long as you use elecrical tape and make sure it is water tight.
@@lieutenantdan1413 but what would happen if you masked the first then completely uncover for the second? Would the the two colors mix or just be covered up by one color?
@@thomasheisler im assuming that since the first layer is ixodized that there would be s relatively clean break in color. Idk though, i dont have titanium scrap metal laying around.
any metal that is in the sub tank will be turned in most cases. doing two tones is pretty much submerging half into sub tank and doing one voltage, then submerging the other half and doing a different voltage.
I enjoyed the mistakes and the commentary as much as the info gained, Thank you, subscribed!
Cool.. so we can do it at home easily.. just from those hosehold stuff.. AND TITANIUM....... ....Great!
....You can use other materials bud. Stop looking for problems, look for solutions. You can order an aluminum or titanium whatever and do this at home.
When we were teens did the same thing except i used a electric train control you could mark the control to get different colors more precise every time
Whoever edits these knows what they're doing lol
We have an INCREDIBLE team of editors. Without them, every video i have ever been in would be…..unwatchable 😂
That's pretty slick.. Would stainless work as anode/cathode?
So 6 batteries @9 volts each is 54 volts for blue? What are the other voltages for each of the other known colors?
You guys should do a whole video about the science of heat leaving a cut in the chips. I've heard mixed things over the years about what color your chips should be.
Rough cuts should be blue and finish cuts should not be blue. Lol
@@billdrummer1197 You say that but I've heard different over the years. I've heard if they're completely blue you're running too hot.
This video really fed my inner need today, super cool.
That is a very interesting tip!
I love it!
So simple but so spectacular!
Thanks! 🙂
i think it varies with the electric amperage supply that will make your desired anodization color.
Barry the science teacher! Could you do a video on nickel plating? I tried it many times but the results were never great.
Try a thin copper plate first( to give the nickel something to stick to) then nickel plate.
@@jonathann8104my question would be what is your nickel source?
I have so many questions. Does it have to be titanium? No, follow path. Could you do fenders, hood etc. Rainbow effect on titanium, is that anodized? Can you get a Lichtenstein effect like they do with wood? And after too many years in the swamps of Ft. Polk I have only one question...How do you stain stainless steel? From one nerd to another, I've only achieved an etching pattern, very light by using mayonnaise .
Ventilated area folks.
Instead of gold can you make a bright yellow? How many batteries are involved to do such? Thanks
Only problem.... titanium ISN'T a household product.
You're dense aren't you?
For some folks it is lolol
My pocket knives have many titanium parts both oem and aftermarket
It is if you work at a machine shop or own a machine shop like real men.
@thecrazy8888 have you tried Oil Eater?
@@Georgia-xj5sfThat's "shop-hold”, not “household”
Thank you for making this video! I’m going to anodize a part tomorrow! ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Barry is absolutly insane
You misspelled “absolutely awesome” 😂
@@barrysetzer the king of full slot milling 😎
I wonder can you create multiple colors on one part? Like starting with 3 batteries then going up to 10
I love all of your content. Never a dull moment....
...well except when you don't turn the coolant on. 😁
This guy reminds me kf when i first saw Jim Carry on In Living Color, and just knew that he & Damon Wayans were gonna go far.
Any network executive worth their salt would pick this up in a heartbeat.
Only a matter of time.
First time watching video from this creator . The "nerd" part was funny as hell. wasn't ready for that. NICE
Whats the point?, as soon as you said it doesnt ad a protective layer, i was done, the main point of anodizing, is to make a part a bit more durable ,so the part does not corrode as fast & the colour, for a bit of bling.
Motorcycle parts and machining you won me over awesome, keep up the good work 💪💪👍👍
Dope video. Very informative, and captivating as well! I love this kind of thing. Really interesting stuff!
you are getting colour gradients since the current density is higher near the cathode, a circular cathode (stainless works) all around your par will help
and drinking distilled water is not recommended 😂 you will be leaching out nutrients from your body
Very cool, If you leave it in longer does the color show more?
I once saw an old restored historic 1970s funny car at a vintage drag race and all the sheet aluminum chassis trim panels and some of the engine parts like the valve covers were anodized in a very very cool psychodelic purple, green, blue and gold multi colored splotchy pattern.....almost looked like a tie dyed shirt.....never seen anything annodized like that since, would love to know how they did it or what the process was.....it was original to the car from the 70s and definately not painted.
Man, so much detail and explanation....
Is it the extra volts or amps that effects the color? You didn't explain if the extra batteries were wired parallel or top to bottom.
If it's the volts you could use a potentiometer to change the color.
Also, can it be done with AC power straight from the outlet or does anodizing only work with DC power?
Volts!
Amperage just makes the process faster
Have you tried Oil Eater for the grease vents and oil on floors around CNC machines? It's the way to go!
Have you tried using a conventional 12 volt battery charger powered by a rheostat (light dimmer switch) inline with the electrical source to vary the voltage/amp output?
So, varying the voltage varies the color. But, why use batteries? Why not a 110v rectifier with variable DC output where you can just dial the desired output voltage? They're pretty cheap. (And, how long do batteries last in this operation?)
Too funny. Anodizing the easy metal to anodize, & also probably one of the most expensive metals to make parts with. This video would be great if Titanium grew on trees!
AM I wrong. or is that color changing thing only with titanium?
Thank you. Can you also show anodization for aluminium?
I don’t know why or how this ended up in my feed but here I am. Anyway I worked in a sign shop for years in the “engineering” (we weren’t real engineers, my boss was just pretentious and gave that name to our dept) and we always used anodized aluminum, steel and whatnot. I had no clue what that meant. I figured it was some type coating. This is cool. I want to try it
i may be dumb, but do this work with other metal than titanium ??
No, it only works with titanium. You can anodize aluminum, but it's basically a different process. You need dye to give the color.
Hey Man Awesome video my kids and I love the information. My wife wants to know if we can do this process to her piston lamps I made her using a car battery?
This is awesome as someone who anodizes window frames this is very similar to the process we use just way smaller lol after we anodize we seal it
Seal it how bro?
Thx
In the mid-80s this article came out in BMX plus magazine how to anodize your BMX parts. As a scientific 10 or 12 year-old I quickly converted my father's outdoor shed into anodizing shop and destroyed all my friends and neighbors BMX parts with shotty anodizing.
Reminds me of what i did to the neighborhood’s appliances after watching ET lol
So from what I have experienced I get a much more even oxidation and more crisp colors when my negative in the electrolyte solution is a larger surface area than the part being annodized.
Hi, is it possible to use silver to anodize another small metal object, such as a pendant? Or should I use silver sulfate instead of baking soda?
So if u put alot of the string of copper will it copper plate it? Or give it the look? Idk how this even came up in my feed I'm not a machinist maybe the gun angle idk but glad I seen it😂
I'd like to try this but can't find any titanium lying around the house.
Any suggestions for substitute metal?
Try mercury
I think this only works with titanium. You can anodize aluminum too but that doesn't give it color. Anodized aluminum can be colored with dye which is a cool trick too. I tried it once with clothes dye but it didn't get very nice. I think you should use special anodizing dye for that.
@@DirtyRobot what have I done to you for you wanting to kill me?
Interesting... both paints seem to have maintained the integrity of their colour. Then as you walk around, one or the other becomes dominant. I like this.