Jordan Peterson: The Book of Revelation, Ronaldo and the role of the artist | SpectatorTV
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- Winston speaks with best-selling author, clinical psychologist and leading public intellectual Dr Jordan Peterson. They discuss the role of artists in society and the state of the arts today. What is so original about Dr Peterson’s work? How hopeful is he for universities? Is it the duty of the privileged to serve the oppressed? And, among other things… Ronaldo, the Book of Revelation, the New Atheists, the Queen’s personality traits and how the energy crisis will end in apocalypse.
// CHAPTERS
00:00 - Introduction
00:24 - Jordan's stand-up, and British comedy
04:06 - Why is Jordan writing kids' books?
17:10 - Maps of Meaning: was it 'new'?
26:48 - Is there any hope for our universities?
30:32 - The Peterson Fellowship: what is it?
37:13 - Can you separate Foucault's private life from his work?
50:41 - How far is being cancelled a spiritual experience?
01:01:13 - What's a healthy way of helping the oppressed?
01:14:37 - Is being cancelled easier for rich people?
01:18:59 - Russia vs Ukraine: Peterson's prediction
01:24:13 - What does Peterson think of the Queen?
01:25:17 - On meeting Cristiano Ronaldo
01:46:41 - What damage have Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins wrecked?
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Jordan is the closest adult leader that I have seen in a long time that I perceive to understand what it means to be a Good Shepherd. I don't care what his critics say, Everything he says and does is for the protection of those who are broken and left without a voice. God Speed Jordan. There are many false prophets in our day but you are a light in the darkness. May God heal your soul.
Ok p.g
P.p
"God speed Jordan", Dr, professor, your very Supreme super, superman.Your highness, king of kings. Most holy of holiest. May I walk in your light, may I kiss your feet? Oh Jordan, my Jordan
I believe he is God's gift to our time and I wrote this many times under his videos because I know he reads the comments.
@@Sam-re1ez have you taken an IQ test?
You have a wonderfully polite and gentlemanly manner Winston and it is a pleasure to hear you interview people and especially JP.
@@vivienneb6199 you misheard. he meant he was sexually deviant due to Foucault's predilection for the young..
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I hope Jordan lives a very long life, the world needs his mind. When he has gone who will we have left? I'm a female and I literally listen to him for hours regularly. Whoever calls him a voice for incels is an ignorant person who clearly hasn't listened to him enough. Such a mind can not be so limited.
I can never fill his shoes or put it to words like he does, but i can tell you there are more people doing what he is doing and not getting credit, when you meet them, praise them👍
The same here. I even burst into tears when he reveals some facts that I have in my mind but do not dare to speak.
@@swerremdjee2769 so glad to hear that!! I've only found a couple so far...
@@nargesgovahi6629 what are those facts?
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Despite the sadness of leaving Mumford and Sons it's great to see Winston Marshall pursuing this avenue. Never thought I'd see an interview with these two people together, how very interesting!
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I quite like Marcus Mumford's new song Grace.
@@anabell7184 Yes, his new album is great. There is no surprise there though as the man is a genius at what he does. Good to see Marcus Mumford on his own adventure as well as Winston Marshall!
@@CulpinKing the other 2 mumford sons are living off of their savings now?
@@anabell7184 haha good question. I'd imagine they're still making very good money from royalties and I'm assuming they will still be doing promotion work for the band in some way. Hopefully Winston Marshall will comment and enlighten us as I'm only guessing 😅
This was such an interesting interview. It's so much more interesting to listen to diverse viewpoints than to just cut them off isn't it? I am someone who believed horrible things about Jordan Peterson entirely because I'd been told he was awful. Clearly, he's not. He has some very interesting thoughts and perspectives, and this was a very thoughtful interview. Keep up the good work.
Thank you and be proud of yourself for opening your mind! Stay there! Its not easy for most these days, sadly.
hes a great guy just listen as you have.
So glad for you ❤ thank you for sharing that.
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Totally agree, it’s nice to hear your curiosity & open mindedness overcame the opinions of others, that’s rare & evolved in today’s platforms. When I first exposed myself to Peterson & found some incredible speeches & at the time he wasn’t doing anything because he was on his death bed recovering from addiction to a prescription drug, I don’t know the details but based on updates from his daughter he really struggled. There’s some times when he’s getting deep & his voice gets shaky & he’s becoming overwhelmed with emotion, it makes my eyes well up, raw emotion is rare these days unless it’s from anger. Cheers
Winston's style of interviewing is very good. Rare is the interviewer who has a natural feel for timing and flow. Thank you
Peterson definitely does not have that feel. He will interrupt people so often right when they're trying to get to the point they're trying to make.
Jordan is by far my favorite commentator on the important things challenging society these days. He articulates many of the things most of us suspect is true but don't always have the words for.
He also has a way of including those he disagrees with in thoughtful conversation that is extremely rare in modern discourse.
All power to him and I hope we all as individuals take on board his core ideas regarding the power of individual responsibility. As he says "we don't know the limits of that".
In the people I know who embody that principle, whether they learned it through him or discovered the truth of it themselves, it most certainly has far reaching positive consequences well beyond the person making the stand.
Fantastic!
"He also has a way of including those he disagrees with in thoughtful conversation that is extremely rare in modern discourse. "
This interview was richer in including those viewpoints Jordan disagrees with - I'd suspect in no smal part due to the quality of the interviewer's character, manner & questions.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
Great interview. Thank you for letting Dr. Peterson talk without interruption. Good questions too.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
The first interview I've heard which permits this chap to speak freely without endless interruptions and challenges. Thanks to you both.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
Wow. I can’t stopped being amazed by Peterson. He is so smart and genuine. The host is also very intelligent and has good listening skills. He is calm and asked great questions! It was very fun to watch!
"Being amazing buy Peterson "😂😂😝, Freudian slip?
@@Sam-re1ez Aha I was under the influence, my bad! 🤦♂️😂
JP on art "If you know exactly why you're doing it then it's probably propaganda" 100% accurate. In my experience the real meaning nearly always appears in retrospect.
I remember Peterson saying that years ago in a lecture on The Lion King. He loves the Lion king because its archetypical, and he was comparing it to Frozen which he deems a work of pure propaganda (one of the first Disney films to "lecture" the audience rather than entertain...the very definition of propaganda.). It blew me away. It seems obvious but I never seen it. The only time I put pen to paper is when I'm trying to figure something out...something I don't know.
@m v 😉
I’m kicking myself a little for criticising art students for “making up” the meaning of their pieces after they were finished
@@scottmccrimmon1 don’t kick yourself too hard, there’s a lot of talentless posers out there
Jordan speaks wonderfully about art and the spirit of the artist 💓
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
When Mr. Peterson talks about emulating a spirit at the end of the interview, in relation to biblical stories and characters, oh my days this guy is something else for our generation - I am born in 1986 . Thank you Mr Peterson! As someone who found God again in a time of crisis it’s interesting to learn the parallel of the Abraham story and God spirit leading to the adventure of your life. Mr. Peterson is so valuable. I’m blessed to hear him 😊 We are literally watching this man figure out the meaning of life and helping us along the way! Hallelujah! He is dropping nuggets of wisdom all through this interview and and I will also say that his talks on the Middle East and Israel are a extremely valuable and that I recommend them.
You cannot figure out a meaning of life, because there is no singular life, but countless unique lives, each demanding new and unique meaning to be created. You also cannot ask life what is its meaning. Life is asking you that very same question and it is up to you to answer it. Not the other way around. The meaning of life is not searched, it is your answer to life. Read some Viktor Frankl
@ Christians found the meaning of life in Christ. Our priority is to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, to do his will and the kingdom of God is about living in truth because God is truth, living in peace and joy through the work of his Spirit. For the secular person the meaning of life is subjective.
I like these kinds of interviews where the interviewer just throws softball questions that trigger deeper insights and then just let Jordan go on his insightful tangents. Excellent!
I'm sure you must have felt a little star struck interviewing the great JP! I didn't realise you were in Mumford and sons but I'm a regular Spectator viewer and I think your contributions are often very insightful.
Brilliant interview, you definitely have soul.
He was kicked out of the band, after he refused to apologize for talking about reading Andy Ngo's book about Antifa. Winston strikes me as a classical liberal. Much like JP and I'd put myself there too. We are not hardcore conservatives, but we realize the left has been taken over by collectivist and purity testing nonsense.
Great interview. Jordan Peterson is at his best. He understands striving towards an ideal - the beauty of art/humanity/human expression
"The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord." Jordan has no fear of God, so I wouldn't consider him to be extraordinarily wise.
@@Romans-nk4wt you've obviously never watched any of his biblical lectures....if you think he doesn't fear the Lord you don't know enough about him....
Good to see him back in form! At one point, I had thought he was not going to be his old self ever. But now, I'm so glad to see him back and I know some of the things he is talking about. For example, the story of all those who let the privilege of having a Coca Cola after the 1 hr. 33 min. mark (or even having refrigerated water). In the sixties, in Kolkata, our school brought a Coca Cola truck every year to give us a bottle of soft drinks. For the rest of the year, I didn't have a second one and so didn't most of my friends. In the first seventeen years of my life, I must have had less than 15 bottles of soft drinks. But we had the kindest teachers who also had very little.
Then when you became an adult you realised that cola was merely marketing (and sugar water and caffeine and burnt aluminium caramel flavouring and carbon dioxide) and also that the sources of happiness you effortlessly derived as a child were devalued by this very marketing that needed you to crave the exotic and develop creeping anhedonia, and only notice monetary value.
I never had coke as a kid, no loss, sometimes my shoes were too small and l knew that there was no budget for new shoes, now l look down at my crowded toes,and am mindful that there are some places where there are siblings who share a pair of shoes, no shoes that day, no schooling, and there are other children that step on mines - that were lain before they were even born .... I guess that's the difference between artificial value and artificial scarcity, and what actually matters.
He's learned to balance what should he go deeper into and what he should leave for us as homework.
(To: Surajit Goswami)
9-30-2022 - - - Be advised that Coca Cola's objective as a corporation is to get you to think that the toxic stuff you call Coca Cola is good - a reward for something. It is full of sugar and carbon dioxide. If you like it you buy it and they make money which is their objective. I suggest you never drink another ounce of any soft drink, ever. By the way, tobacco pushers have the same objective: to turn you into an income stream, until what they tempt you into buying eventually kills you; and if their plan works, you also recruit actively or passively your acquaintances, your friends, your family or anyone else in your sphere of influence - to drink that wonderful tasting poison and smoke those cigarettes you think make you look cool and serious. If you're going to addict yourself to anything, addict yourself to creating more order, harmony and beauty in the Universe. Cheers.
Great conversation. JBP, as always, is infinitely interesting but hats off to Winston. He's a natural at this and I'm looking forward to listening to many more of his future interviews.
I was lying in bed half asleep listening to this and I had to check the video because I was convinced it was Davd Bowie conducting the interview. I've since watched it in full....excellent interview of a true genius.
What an amazing man JP is. It beggars belief how he has been demonized, could they have ever have watched an interview or engaged with him personally? I doubt it. He is so obviously a measured and thoughtful person.
The demonizing comes from the Left, particularly the radical Left who see Jordan Peterson as extreme Right which he is not. They are exhibiting the practices that Herbert Marcuse describes explicitly in his 1965 influential essay, Repressive Tolerance. The essay details how the actions of the Right should not be tolerated at all and how the reactions of the Left to the actions of the Right must always be tolerated no matter how destructive or violent these reactions from the Left may be.
He is so incisive, intelligent and factual, that other than awe and admiration, the only other possible response is to demonise him. Because it is not possible argue logically with what he is saying.
Have you seen the videos where in one he says he’s a “neuro-scientist” and the other where he says he’s an “evolutionary biologist”? He’s neither,so he’s either insane or a pathological liar.
@@ledaswan5990 Where? Where are these videos? Share them if you have them, but just making unsubstantiated claims? Downvoted. If you don't have the evidence just listen, and I mean really LISTEN, to him in this interview. He isn't trying to threaten you or anyone else.
@@johnbayer6724 I’ve listened to a lot of JP . I will look for those quotes but they are in the middle of long interviews but I’ll try to find them and link.
I am a liberal and love listening to Jordon. Ideas and conversation before party or labels!!!
Great to hear. I didn’t think open minded liberals existed. Lol (that’s a joke btw) but seriously it’s nice to know. I lean to being conservative most the time, but I never say I won’t hear another person just based on others opinions. I own my mind, and like listening to others opinions and beliefs. Then I either disagree or look up more information because they made me think of something in a different way. Isn’t that how we evolve and learn more? I say yes, and some would say or do say I have to pick a side. I wholeheartedly disagree, and will continue to live life my way. I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want. Just not to force that belief onto me, or change my way of living.
An old school liberal!! Gosh, how I miss you guys! 👍
I love Jordan and his work , his mind and the way he is able to speak in ways as a lecturer, which I am, I could only dream of
I saw a guy at the county fair, carving ducks out of wood blocks. I commented,
"My goodness, what a talent. How did you learn this ?"
He replied, "Anyone can do it. Just take a block of wood, and cut away
everything that don't look like a duck." The focus, IS the difference young lady.
He's still too stuck in the fantasy that the world can be a perfect place and therefore too consumed with passion to go up against anything that stands in the way of the vision of some kind of heaven on earth. He's not sufficiently religious and cognisant of the fact that that is merely an illusion.
@@zootsoot2006 I agree to an extent
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Absolutely incredible interview. Winston - I've thoroughly enjoyed your podcasts thus far, especially when they discuss what art is at a deep level.
I listen to Peterson a lot, and I feel as though you went to some new and very interesting areas in this interview. Very thankful to both of you for taking a stand for what's right.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
Brilliant interview. I only just realised at the end who Winston Marshall is - but I was going to say anyways that he was a great interviewer because he actually is well read on Peterson's work and knew how to ask the right questions. There was a few times where I was thinking the same question and then he asked it!
I would love to attend the university he's creating. Excited to hear more. Great interview. ❤️
😂😂😂You, attend a university? Pretty sure roofers don't attend universities. Stick to manual labor, your IQ is in the low eighties.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
Jordan Peterson is a wonderful beautiful Brilliant man whom I adore!!!!
Again I am grateful he is being interviewed for all of us to learn from!!! Thank you🙏
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
I like the way Peterson thinks/talks with his hands. Fascinating.
Great interview. Nice to see JP relaxed and comfortable, possibly down to the interviewer who was very engaging and respectful,
Really great stuff. Thanks so much. Depths of faith and reason walking together
Two real gentlemen..wonderful.
One of the best interview to Dr. Peterson, great job, thanks for sharing!
Absolutely superb job of interviewing Peterson who was relaxed and open to elaborate on many of his ideas in the talk.
Well done!
Great convo from both of you! Good to hear JBP asked questions beyond the usual.
2 brilliant minds. 2 good human beings. 2 of my favorites. I appreciate, thank you.
"If you can say exactly why you're pursuing an artistic endeavour then you're probably producing propaganda"
Doesn't that just explain so much currently.
Starting with (but not limited to) every big budget film and streaming network series in the last few years…
Stellar interviewer. Well done
As an artist whose faith is Christian, I've observed a similar utilitarianism in only judging art or music if it directly references a particular Christian theme or doctrine. In music we call it "dropping the J-bomb." Franky Schaeffer wrote a great book about this called Addicted To Mediocrity. Artists should just be allowed to make art. If they are Christian, those sensibilities will filter through and be communicated in their artwork. But a landscape painting should be able to stand on its own and glorify God the Creator without painting the face of Jesus into the clouds. Quincy Jones once said in an interview, "Don't write a song to be a hit because God will leave the room. God is in the music."
I was massively influenced by Franky Schaeffer.
Awesome to see JBP interviewed by an artist. Some unique questions and perspectives shared that was very fresh :)
I have a feeling Peterson is MUCH more polite and complimentary to the high priests of atheism than they'ed be to him.
Yes. I suppose this is because he is conscious that there is a higher authority which he is trying to serve, while they have no higher authority than themselves.
Dr Peterson changed my outlook on life completely. His books have helped me so much it’s unbelievable. 12 rules for life was so simple and obvious....it was like a father giving advice to his son. If effected me profoundly. Life’s good and for the first time I’m happy all thanks to Dr Peterson. God bless him! ❤
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Bloody hell he's good. Thank you.
Just found this channel. Love how you discussed the bible. God and his relevance in today's society. Dr peterson is fantastic of being frank. I love it.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
So cool to hear his insight on artists. He's nail on the head on everything. My pursuit of art has brought me great chaos; but indeed I would wither without it. Great interview.
😂😂😂"my pursuit of art?"
@@Sam-re1ez yes, i'm the world's most studied armpit farter you twit.
revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.
He is so engaging and has his own brilliance. A very impressive discussion - so glad that he is here to shine his light on those things we need to focus on too. ❤
❤TO THE HOST AND CREW THANK YOU GENUINELY FOR THIS PODCAST ❤
He is incredibly thoughtful. I love his mind and he had such a wonderful soul. Kind, gentle yet realistic.
Whenever I need a good cry I listen to this fkn dude, I cannot believe how good and wise he is
Definitely one of the most profound of JBP's talks.
Challenges our mind to think very carefully about how we perceive.
"We perceive through story."
The "story" you have is like your fundamental level of processing incoming data, experience included. -- makes one think. .
That was just great! Thank you both ♥
How I channel my creativity for business / app ideas is by thinking how I can genuinely help people. I basically use my problem solving abilities to channel my creativity and then go on to test if there is a market for the solution.
How can one person be able to express everything I feel be able to say in words everything I feel, in one way it makes me want to give up my profession because I can’t come close to him, no matter how much I listen to him
I feel the same!!
He has said it himself, many times, ‘Listen’. Not just to him but to everyone. Everyone is interesting and has a story.
If you listen, read, and THEN write your thoughts down consistently you can also become incredibly articulate. It's forcing yourself to write down your arguments in your head that brings out the articulation. You do that enough and you can become close to his level on a few subjects. What Peterson does so miraculously is merge many subjects together with a very deep understanding which takes years and years of the aforementioned process.
I will try thank you
I am 60 years old and still trying
I see soo much of Pageau in his recent interviews. Great atuff, qnd great to see him exploring more and more ideas in this realm.
Brilliant Winston 👏 so happy to see and listen to you. Dr Peterson so much love xxx
Really enjoyed this. Thank you.
God Bless Jordan, keep him, make your face to shine upon him, and give him peace!
Great interview. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Winston!
Now this is a video! Bloody Brilliant!
I'm here giving the Devil his due.
Great interview.
Looking forward to another one between y'all.
That was a truly great discussion. Some interesting new insights from Dr Peterson and well conducted by Winston.
the greatest gift God gave our generation is this man
Superb interviewer and a conversation that was a joy to listen to 😊
I a word, superb dialog.
Thank You both!
Thanks for Uploading.
Ronaldo, the goat. Did not expect to hear about him from JP!
Like a flaming sword!!!! JP speaks 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Brilliant interviewer , this Winston Marshall. Well prepared , allowed Peterson to finish his thoughts. Thank you .
Absolutely bang on about artists. Artists respond with their gift they don't have motives .
Thank you both, Nothing better than listening to Dr. P drill into an epiphany. Example.... Isreal. He learns what it means and excitedly dives into the rabbit hole. We are so fortunate that he takes us with him, explaining and teaching as he goes.
I recommend everyone watch this TV show The Leftovers. I think it's the type of creative work Peterson is talking about where you don't know the "whys" behind it, and it's slowly revealed to you throughout your life. I've watched it twice and some months back I used the show as an example to argue for/against something and that example came to me in that moment of argument out of nowhere. It was a really deep analysis and now I've completely forgotten what it was. Plus, this show is super entertaining as well.
This promises to be interesting.
So brilliant! I always learn something new when I listen to Dr.Peterson.
There are few things more satisfying than the way Dr. Peterson says “awbviously.”
Fascinating conversation
Love this! Can't wait to speak to JP myself. So much to talk about.
Beautiful music at the end, gentle interviewer. Thank you.
The soul..the most important thing. Amen! Loved this.
Thanks Jordan and Winston!
Thank you so much, Winston, for your fascinating interview with Dr. Peterson🎉🎉🎉
The desire to understand nature includes human beings and your conversation with Jordan is an exciting experience of this phenomenon 😊
Bravo Jordan Peterson for saying that the creative act is one of discovery. 15 years ago I was irritated by the question as to why I had created my portfolio pieces for a foundation art course. I was always annoyed, even as a child, by being asked 'What are you drawing/painting/making?' It was impossible to answer this question when the creative doing was the act of discovery and the meaning is always unclear or obscure - and I did not feel that justifying myself was anything at all to do with the created item. I felt like the foundation art course was essentially focused on the propaganda that one was supposed to express (as relevant to some collective ideal or some such thing). I inherently mistrust artists who feel the need to spend a lot of time explaining their work.
Interesting you write that. I too still feel, that annoyance, thought it was something wrong with me that I couldn't explain what I was creating and why.
Interesting comment and enjoyed heading JBP explain this. I have no creativity. Well almost none. I took his personality quiz that he sells for $10 and my creativity was scored at 10%. Yikes! It was my lowest scored personality trait so I'm strangely interested in people who are highly creative because they're so different than myself.
BTW, highly recommend Peterson's personality quiz for individuals and especially married couples.
Art with a detailed explanation seems more like propaganda, to me.
Agree 100%
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What a great conversation. Peterson is brilliant and Winston is a good man.
Much respect for interviewer for just listening.
Can't believe how powerful this was
I really appreciate this interview. Winston, the man conducting the interview, is great at asking questions and allowing Jordan to really have time to talk and communicate his ideas.
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Beautiful discussion. Thank you both.
Thoroughly enjoyable. Great host!
I keep saying the fear of reprisals is a fear most don’t even know they have as one of their fears running their lives. Jordan saying the fear of social alienation nails this on the head.
How many times Ive been asked to just tell a revelation. Tell us what it was or write it down. Ahhhhhhhgggh. Some things cannot be easily intellectualised. Crossing from mind to spirit. Are beyond explanation You are a master on this verbally drawing those pictures for many and explaining rather than intellectualising their meanings - is awesome to me. Thanxx for the inspiration.
That was a great discussion. Thanks
I can't wait until Jordan will speak about the book of Job from the bible. There is a lot of deep deep psychology there in.
You are so right about the art/artist and the art critic.
Great discussion truly enjoyed it thank you both.
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Its almost at the point of late that i give everything that has j peterson in it a thumbs up before watching it.
JP is genius by all aspects and standards....I never thought I would hear a great conversation about art from JP..thank you for the podcast.
Art from artist section: "That's Niche. He's dead, he doesn't care" that tickled me 😄
Fascinating
Thank you for sharing Jordan Peterson.
Really enjoying this Winston chap. Lovely persona and interview style. Not a shred of arrogance in him. Always asks intelligent questions, lets his guests speak and listens intently to them. As for Jordan P - love him. This was a thoughtful interesting interview - thank you!
I'm gonna listen to this, buddy.
That. Was. Fantastic!!!