I dunno, I feel like most of the lore has been covered, we just have a few key pieces missing that will pull it all together. Think the main back spike of the Inquisitors. We’ve got all the auxiliary spikes, but that main lynch pin? That’s what’s being delivered in Wind and Truth.
My theory is cultivation has a long game plan where she wanted to cultivate the perfect shards. Odium is done. Dalinar will be honor and Lyft will be the next cultivation.
Yep, this has been my theory for a while. You could even say Cultivation has been cultivating the perfect replacements. She directly intervened in each of their three visits to the night mother (and these are the only times we know of that she has done so), Dalinar is bonded to Honor's cognitive shadow which is also, as far as we know, the direct source of Storm(honor)light and Lift is bonded to a lifespren and is uniquely (as far as we know) capable of using life(cultivation)light. Dalinar is going to gather the pieces of Honor and unite them, you know like he's been being told to do the whole series, and become the new vessel with a better/more flexible understanding of humanity and it's relation to honor. In the back half of the series Lift will ascend and replace cultivation likely after some literal or metaphorical motherhood arc (where she will have to help the "child/children" grow/cultivate them). Which fits nicely with her character's traumas resulting from her own mother's death and her own resulting desire not to grow up (be cultivated so to speak).
This theory os blowing my mind actually. Falinar loosing and beong turned over to Odium seemed way too hopeless of an ending for the characters, but FINALLY the war light plot gets greater significance. Im so excited to hear more!
The part about this theory that really intrigues me is that it's the only theory I've heard that I think really resolves Kaladni's arch in a satisfying way. I would actually be so so happy if this is how Kaladni's arch ended.
Another stormlight Nerd. Love it. Yall are so much better at these deep dives and theory crafting. I cant come up with any of these regardless of how many times I read it. If I didn't have these types of vids to get me by in between books I think id cry.
As always, well written and very intriguing theories! Favorite quote without spoilers: "He was able to pick up *censored* and shove it into *censored's* vessel." Looking forward to more!
I was gonna say my theory is that Dalinar loses the contest, and he becomes Odium's herald and the Stormfather becomes the spren of the Everstorm, but Kaladin rises to become Honor and Syl becomes the new spren of the Highstorm. Just a theory tho
My crack theory is that both Syl and Kal ascend to Honour. We have seen two shards being held by one vessel, and now we will get to see an inverse of that. Or we could have a situation where one of them holds the shard (likely Syl) and the other rides the storms (likely Kal). We have had visions where Kal rides the storms in the first couple of books and there's also the Fleet story. Syl is becoming more human and gaining a stronger physical presence which would help her ascend. This could explain why Sigzil in Sunlit man thinks of Kal as being alive and why he doesn't want to return to face his friends. This would also address the loss of the Storm father in the event that Dalinar loses and the storm father is unmade/destroyed/damaged.
I'm glad you agree, I think it makes a lot of sense from both a narrative standpoint as well as a metatextual one. Leaves a lot of room for fun conflicts in the upcoming books. And thank you, the burrito was delicious!
You know who makes far more sense as a counter to Taravodium? Who is really really strict about following his oaths - something Honor is obsessive about? Szeth Son-Son-Vallano
Why use a dawn shard to unite odium and honor? Harmony combined two opposite without one. Sixth of dust 2 and sunlit man suggest that the scandrians are the bigger problem in the cosmere then the rosharians meaning Conquest sounds unlikely to be the combination of honor and odium.
I like the back half of your theory. I think if we had somebody take up the shard of honor and then the shards get United, then it would be way to close to the ending of the hero of ages. But if both shards stay independent and work together, I think that would be a much more interesting dynamic, especially with the radiant orders being as diverse in beliefs as they are, I could totally image them not wanting to follow a shard of conquest, but if it were two shards then I think it could work.
This sounds plausible, and the use of a Dawnshard might be what's needed to smooth out the merging of Honor and Odium. I'm rereading Rythm Of War, and Navani was talking about how water and oil could be merged with the help of an emulsifier. She then went on the find one for merging Stormlight and Voidlight, with is how we now have Warlight. If these respective Lights can be merged like that then there's no reason to think that it couldn't happen with their Shards. As for how Harmony would react to this, I think he would be astonished at first, but then he would want to get his hands on a Dawnshard so that he can try to fix what's going wrong with him.
Writing before your Grand Unified Theory at 13:10 . I think the Honor blades are Honor’s body. Dalinar will need to “unite” all 10 into one blade to “reforge” Honor
This is a theory I had never considered! Honorblades are literally honors physical manifestation of investiture, it definitely checks out. Hmmm.... I like this theory a lot.
@@LoreoftheWorldsSorry, I have to disagree here. Nightblood chipper an Honorable. I feel like 1/10th of Honor's body should still be more highly Invested than Nightblood.
@@Degrad21 Not necessarily. Ruin isn't dead, and his metal body is available for use. I don't know how or when Honor was killed, but I suspect Aharietiam was probably the cause. We know breaking the bond with spren is what kills them, maybe breaking the "bond" with Honor on that day did the same thing.
Just to add the thing I'm sorta hope will happen but I sorta doubt (particularly 3) 1. Child champion happens and Dalinar loses. 2. Oathpact is gonna be reforged so odium will be bound to roshar 3. Dalinar is still gonna end up as a new version of honour. So due to the above we're gonna have Odium being forced to interact with the rest of the cosmere through honour (so we're gonna have War). Then in some way cultivation is gonna end up on board in some capacity (not sure how but mostly think cause of their shenanigans) which is gonna push it towards conquest. One of the first things we did hear from TOd was a desire to go "save" everyone in the cosmere. This is with a Ralkalest hat though haha.
I think you’re getting warm on a lot of things. Only edits I would make is Honor being reforged later. I think SA5 will result in Kaladin dying but not before filling Jezrien’s position in a new Oathpact.
Cultivation, cultivating her own plans... I like and have had similar thoughts. For some odd reason, I have my doubts about Kaladin becoming honor... I do not even know why. As for Odium... I feel as if Taravangian's goals are different from Rayse, which also makes things crazy. What goals and ambitio s have changed. Figiring ghat out can lead to more answers and I cannot wait for that leadup Brandon gives with Daily chapters. So excited.
Dalinar can do all these things because he is a Bondsmith unchained by Honor's rules. That is explained by Stormfather multiple times. You even get to see Ishi do the same things and more in RoW.
Interesting. I don't think we know enough about the gods/shards/unmade to say anything concrete regarding the specifics. In my theorizing I tend to think more in terms of what makes sense for the characters and arrive at similar conclusions. I agree that it makes the most sense for Dalinar to lose the contest of champions. The contest is too soon for them to defeat odium or make that the climax of the book. It seems like a first act thing to me. In a way Dalinar losing would unite Roshar since they've agreed to cease hostilities in either outcome and Dalinar is the leader of the knights radiant and the most powerful human military force on Roshar. Also I would cite Sigzils memories from sunlit man as evidence for some kind of schism in the knights radiant around this time. He mentions shredding the soul of a dear friend, questioning the idea of the honorable warrior, and some failure of leadership on his part. So it seems to me Dalinar will become Todiums general basically. Some of the knights radiant will stay loyal to him. Then the conflict will become something to do with Todium trying to corrupt spren and expand his influence into the spiritual realm and other worlds. Kaladin/Shallen/Singers and some new coalition of freedom fighters will be trying to save/uncorrupt spren ultimately achiving some pyric victory resulting in a tenuous peace on Roshar to last until the next series. It doesn't seem like the oathpact will be restored but I imagine they will find some way to defeat /contain Todium. Nightblood has already proven to be able to destroy Odiums vessel like eating a cake. Azure is wandering around Roshar with some new investiture eating sword which is probably an enhanced and slightly more morally discerning version of nightblood. I'm picturing some spiritual realm showdown with magic swords in the conclusion.
The honorblades were said to be literally made of honor and the stormfather is the largest piece of honor. I feel like Dalinar is going to forge all of the honorblades into one blade and that plus the stormfather is going to be enough to either turn Dalinar into Honor or literally revive Tanavast. At the very least he may end up with all the surges
I’m still watching, but I wanted to be *that asshole* and say that the Dawnshard would most likely be named “Unite” instead of “Unity” since they are, at their core, Commands. Ok, back to it! Love the vid so far!
You're not an asshole! I don't think I've ever seen this mentioned before, has Sanderson ever confirmed this? That would be very good to know for theories going forward, and I think that it makes a ton of sense.
@@LoreoftheWorlds Yes, it's stated in Dawnshard, chapter 19. I don't have easy access to my physical copy at the moment, so I've transcribed portions of the audiobook below (which also means my capitalization may be off, which we know is important for Sanderson, so fair warning): "The force inside my mind asked me to choose." Rysn said. "It wanted me to accept it, whatever it is." -- "No, it did not!" Nikli said. "The Dawnshard isn't alive. It doesn't want things. You have stolen it." -- and Rysn knew, or at least felt, he was partially right. It wasn't a living thing she had taken upon herself, it was something else. A Command. ----------------------- "...You don't even know what it is you've done, Rysn. You don't understand what it is that is now inside your head." -- "So... tell me?" -- Nikli laughed. "Mere words cannot explain. The Dawnshards are Commands, Rysn. The will of a god."
An interesting thought I just had was what if shards don't always add up to the same outcome? Like what if odium and honor merging doesn't always result in in war?
@@LoreoftheWorlds perhaps restraint of discipline something like that? It could tie in thematically with a lot of the character arcs but mm I am not sure either. I think it depends on how much each shard's intent is expressed. Perhaps commitment? both odium and honor sort of share that they commit to a course of action and it has that sense of bonds and stuff that seems important as well. It certainly opens up a lot of possibilities but I would have to think about it a lot more deeply. Perhaps war in itself if a commitment
I agree with the bulk of this theory but not some of the granular details. The Dawnshard is not in the Stormfather, it is in the Spiritual Realm and the primer is the Way of Kings. Dalinar's 'other' visions are tied to the last person to have Unity, which was Noahdon. Kaladin wont be honor, Kaladin is going to inherit Roshar once everyone else leaves in 6-10. Dalinar will be Honor serving Odium as a general. Odium will choose the Destination but Honor will choose the Journey. Cultivation will die trying to stop them leaving the system and her shard will be taken by Risin. This is MY take on a similar theory.
Some very interesting takes! As I'm rereading, I am also starting to become more and more convinced that the dawnshard is somehow hidden in The Way of Kings
I would really like this theory if I weren't already committed to the idea of Syl ascending to Honor. A fragment of sentient power ascending to claim the Shard it was born from. It would be the perfect match of vessel and power. It would also allow Kal to reasonably retire as he would no longer be Radiant.
Spoilers for Sunlit and released chapters of Emberdark: … … … In Sunlit we see Hoid in (presumably) a Kholin(ish) uniform in the Space-age. Which, in the context of your theory, begs the question of what Cultivation is up to and how this inflects (mitigates) the Unity of Honor and Odium. That is, what would her purpose be? Particularly given what we’ve seen of how Cultivation affects the drives of Knights Radiant, and, in Emberdark, we see a KR in the Space-age. Huh. Fascinating.
Ehhhh. Some aspects of this make sense, but Dawnshards seem pretty darn rare. We already know that there is a Dawnshard other than the hypothesized "unity". Two seems like a lot. But I am quite sure that Raize was at least somewhat concerned about the reconstitution of Honor, and such an event would possibly point to some revelation about the shattering of Adonalsium.
I hope Dalinar loses. It would be sad but also so cool. Imagine the Blackthorn a space age Cosmere general taking on the whole Cosmere. It would be so cool.
I really feel like Dalinar will take up Honor the way Tarivangian took Odium. Theyve been such consistent narrative foils that it feels like a logical next step. Tarivangian has always been a few steps ahead, and so gets his shard sooner and more time to plan, but Dalinar embodies Honor, frankly more than he could have done without his tragic backstory ("bravery is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something is more important than fear" sort of thing, only he inst scared he was a war criminal) and so will take up the mantle during the sanderlanche. I also think Kaladin will be in Stormlight 6 (based on Sunlit Man, but ive done no looking to see if the more clever fans agree), I think Adolin will be champion (the whole "my father thinks im a better man that him" bit plus the chance to overcome something Adolin sees as a great failure of character) and I think Cultivation will finally do something on screen instead of just flashbacks.
I do feel like the theming of stormlight ending in them being the universal aggressors doesn’t quite feel right. But maybe that’s the plot line for stormlight era 2
I am more and more on the side of Lirin taking up honor and the Son of Tanavast thing for Kaladin is even more literal that we thought....everything you are saying about Dalinar and the Dawnshard sounds cool and I'm on board with that, just that the vessel is Lirin instead of Kaladin. There are some things about Lirin that others have pointed out to me and there is so much smoke there.
I'm really not sure how you can take four books worth of journey of Dalinar and throw it enitrely away by making him a servant of Odium. That's Game of Thrones TV ending bad. Brandon Sanderson's writing lectures talk persistently about the "tonal promises" a writer makes to the reader, and how one must not violate such tonal promises. Think about that.
I personally think that’s exactly why Dalinar loses, Brandon has set up Dalinar’s journey to save roshar and rewrite his past sins, and his decision to “lose” the contest, will maybe be proven to have been worth it, but the Blackthorn (what I believe Dalinar’s Cognitive shadow serving odium forever will be named) will be trapped and need to be freed during the final conflict (And if the dawnshard stuff is true for dalinar, then could you imagine what would happen if odium has control of the individual who has the ability to “unite shards” under his banner)
Dalinar does not have access or is being contacted by a Dawnshard. This is reaching on so many levels and there isnt even circumstancial evidence, let alone anything solid. Like the Child Champion and the Shallan's mom is a Herald theories actually have moderate to strong, respectively, evidence for them. This doesnt even have enough going for it to even warrant rational analysis on any level. What is allowing Dalinar to do things no other Bondsmith can are a few things. 1, Dalinar is directed bonded to the largest remaining piece of Honor's power, more so than previous Bondsmiths. 2, the safeguards on the Surges placed by Honor are crumbling because Honor is dead. He especially placed limits on the power of Bondsmiths. 3, Tanavast directly merged his Cognitive Shadow with the Stormfather after his Shard Splintered. 4, Dalinar in many ways now speaks for the power of Honor, sort of like a weird magical Power of Attorney situation. We see this one reflected in many ways. He can negotiate with Odium as though he were Honor. He could strait up release Odium immediately if he wished and he used this authority to negotiate the Trial of Champions coming in book 5. He also accepted the 4th Oath of Kaladin in book 4. Usually Honor did that, or the Stormfather who now contains a vast chunk of Honor's power as well as Tanavast's ghost. We dont k ow what Unity is precisely but it certainly isnt a Dawnshard. Its somethinf Shardic/Realmatic. We saw this when Odium stated "We killed you" and "Dalinat wasnt supposed to Ascend" notice the capitalization on Ascend. That tern is only ever used to refer to a Morral taking up Shardix power one way or another. This does not necessarily need to be the permanent, body vaporizes, event that usually happen but can be a mortal simply using the authority and/or power of a Shard via special situations and means like when someone uses the power of the Well of Ascension on Scadrial. They temporarily straight up Ascend and even become a Sliver of Preservation. Dalinar is touching upon this in authority and increasingly in power as the story goes. Unity is Shard related and Realm related, not Dawnshard related. As Dalinar increasingly begins to speak for Hoor it is even possoble he is further pushing againsy the restraints Tanavast places on the Surges, especially his own and could be capable of even more than previous Bondsmiths. There is far nore evidence suggesting this is what is going on than a Dawnshard being responsible.
Wind and truth is going to be such a lore bomb for the cosmere
I really hope so! I can't wait to get a clearer picture where the cosmere is headed.
I dunno, I feel like most of the lore has been covered, we just have a few key pieces missing that will pull it all together. Think the main back spike of the Inquisitors. We’ve got all the auxiliary spikes, but that main lynch pin? That’s what’s being delivered in Wind and Truth.
My theory is cultivation has a long game plan where she wanted to cultivate the perfect shards. Odium is done. Dalinar will be honor and Lyft will be the next cultivation.
Brando mentioned in the prologue to Edgedancer that Lyft is a main character in Era 2
Yep, this has been my theory for a while. You could even say Cultivation has been cultivating the perfect replacements. She directly intervened in each of their three visits to the night mother (and these are the only times we know of that she has done so), Dalinar is bonded to Honor's cognitive shadow which is also, as far as we know, the direct source of Storm(honor)light and Lift is bonded to a lifespren and is uniquely (as far as we know) capable of using life(cultivation)light.
Dalinar is going to gather the pieces of Honor and unite them, you know like he's been being told to do the whole series, and become the new vessel with a better/more flexible understanding of humanity and it's relation to honor.
In the back half of the series Lift will ascend and replace cultivation likely after some literal or metaphorical motherhood arc (where she will have to help the "child/children" grow/cultivate them). Which fits nicely with her character's traumas resulting from her own mother's death and her own resulting desire not to grow up (be cultivated so to speak).
When Dalinar met Cultivation to get his boon/curse, she called him both Son of Honor and Son of Odium.
Imagine an outright war between Scadriants and Alethi in the space age, wielding Shards and stuff. That would be something.
This theory os blowing my mind actually. Falinar loosing and beong turned over to Odium seemed way too hopeless of an ending for the characters, but FINALLY the war light plot gets greater significance. Im so excited to hear more!
The part about this theory that really intrigues me is that it's the only theory I've heard that I think really resolves Kaladni's arch in a satisfying way.
I would actually be so so happy if this is how Kaladni's arch ended.
I like the theory, I think instead of conquest the name Glory is much more fitting and adds a lot of callouts on a reread
Oooooooh, I like that!
Maybe Imperium is also a good chance! Taking the latin roman vibes from Odium and the totalitarian expansion of Star Wars
Another stormlight Nerd. Love it. Yall are so much better at these deep dives and theory crafting. I cant come up with any of these regardless of how many times I read it. If I didn't have these types of vids to get me by in between books I think id cry.
As always, well written and very intriguing theories! Favorite quote without spoilers: "He was able to pick up *censored* and shove it into *censored's* vessel." Looking forward to more!
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I was gonna say my theory is that Dalinar loses the contest, and he becomes Odium's herald and the Stormfather becomes the spren of the Everstorm, but Kaladin rises to become Honor and Syl becomes the new spren of the Highstorm. Just a theory tho
I really like this theory, I could totally see this happening!
My crack theory is that both Syl and Kal ascend to Honour. We have seen two shards being held by one vessel, and now we will get to see an inverse of that.
Or we could have a situation where one of them holds the shard (likely Syl) and the other rides the storms (likely Kal). We have had visions where Kal rides the storms in the first couple of books and there's also the Fleet story. Syl is becoming more human and gaining a stronger physical presence which would help her ascend.
This could explain why Sigzil in Sunlit man thinks of Kal as being alive and why he doesn't want to return to face his friends. This would also address the loss of the Storm father in the event that Dalinar loses and the storm father is unmade/destroyed/damaged.
This last theory u proposed sounds plausible and would be incredibly satisfying. Also I hope ur burrito was delicious.
I'm glad you agree, I think it makes a lot of sense from both a narrative standpoint as well as a metatextual one. Leaves a lot of room for fun conflicts in the upcoming books.
And thank you, the burrito was delicious!
You know who makes far more sense as a counter to Taravodium? Who is really really strict about following his oaths - something Honor is obsessive about? Szeth Son-Son-Vallano
This makes sense! I really do fear that if Szeth took honor he may be a bit... unhinged though
@@LoreoftheWorlds Surely a shard can heal some trauma, right? Right?? 😅
Yes cultivation is definetly pulling all the strings here.
Why use a dawn shard to unite odium and honor? Harmony combined two opposite without one. Sixth of dust 2 and sunlit man suggest that the scandrians are the bigger problem in the cosmere then the rosharians meaning Conquest sounds unlikely to be the combination of honor and odium.
My guess would be that using is a dawnshard is a way to circumvent whatever negative effects are currently happening with Harmony.
I like the back half of your theory. I think if we had somebody take up the shard of honor and then the shards get United, then it would be way to close to the ending of the hero of ages. But if both shards stay independent and work together, I think that would be a much more interesting dynamic, especially with the radiant orders being as diverse in beliefs as they are, I could totally image them not wanting to follow a shard of conquest, but if it were two shards then I think it could work.
This sounds plausible, and the use of a Dawnshard might be what's needed to smooth out the merging of Honor and Odium. I'm rereading Rythm Of War, and Navani was talking about how water and oil could be merged with the help of an emulsifier. She then went on the find one for merging Stormlight and Voidlight, with is how we now have Warlight. If these respective Lights can be merged like that then there's no reason to think that it couldn't happen with their Shards. As for how Harmony would react to this, I think he would be astonished at first, but then he would want to get his hands on a Dawnshard so that he can try to fix what's going wrong with him.
Your logic checks out! I would love to see how Harmony would react to such a situation as well as what other Dawnshards are currently out there.
If your unmaid theories are anything like this one I’m on the edge of my seat. Well done sir!!
That's an awesome theory, it opens so many fun possibilities for the space age of the Cosmere
Great theory, and I love Kaladin will be Honor, I thought that since Way of Kings
It makes so much sense!
You’re right, Dalinar will lose, but that’s okay, we need his cognitive shadow to save the whole cosmere.
I love this! It all works so well and honestly seems really well set up.
How is having a shard called War the best thing for Roshar?
You tricked me, this is highly plausible
Mwahahaha
You have been bamboozled
Ralkalest helmet 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 I knew this guy was legit when he said that.
Writing before your Grand Unified Theory at 13:10 . I think the Honor blades are Honor’s body. Dalinar will need to “unite” all 10 into one blade to “reforge” Honor
This is a theory I had never considered! Honorblades are literally honors physical manifestation of investiture, it definitely checks out. Hmmm.... I like this theory a lot.
@@LoreoftheWorlds Tanavastium? Dalinarium? Kaladinium has a nice ring to it
@@LoreoftheWorldsSorry, I have to disagree here. Nightblood chipper an Honorable. I feel like 1/10th of Honor's body should still be more highly Invested than Nightblood.
so you think giving up his body to form the honorblades was the opening he gave and odium used to kill him?
@@Degrad21 Not necessarily. Ruin isn't dead, and his metal body is available for use. I don't know how or when Honor was killed, but I suspect Aharietiam was probably the cause. We know breaking the bond with spren is what kills them, maybe breaking the "bond" with Honor on that day did the same thing.
My man cooked up something wild
Just to add the thing I'm sorta hope will happen but I sorta doubt (particularly 3)
1. Child champion happens and Dalinar loses.
2. Oathpact is gonna be reforged so odium will be bound to roshar
3. Dalinar is still gonna end up as a new version of honour.
So due to the above we're gonna have Odium being forced to interact with the rest of the cosmere through honour (so we're gonna have War).
Then in some way cultivation is gonna end up on board in some capacity (not sure how but mostly think cause of their shenanigans) which is gonna push it towards conquest. One of the first things we did hear from TOd was a desire to go "save" everyone in the cosmere.
This is with a Ralkalest hat though haha.
Ishar also opens Honor’s perpendicularity. I always assumed the warm visions Dalinar was having were from Cultivation.
I think you’re getting warm on a lot of things. Only edits I would make is Honor being reforged later. I think SA5 will result in Kaladin dying but not before filling Jezrien’s position in a new Oathpact.
Cultivation, cultivating her own plans... I like and have had similar thoughts.
For some odd reason, I have my doubts about Kaladin becoming honor... I do not even know why.
As for Odium... I feel as if Taravangian's goals are different from Rayse, which also makes things crazy.
What goals and ambitio s have changed.
Figiring ghat out can lead to more answers and I cannot wait for that leadup Brandon gives with Daily chapters.
So excited.
Dalinar can do all these things because he is a Bondsmith unchained by Honor's rules. That is explained by Stormfather multiple times. You even get to see Ishi do the same things and more in RoW.
Love this. Oddly makes lots of sense.
Interesting. I don't think we know enough about the gods/shards/unmade to say anything concrete regarding the specifics. In my theorizing I tend to think more in terms of what makes sense for the characters and arrive at similar conclusions. I agree that it makes the most sense for Dalinar to lose the contest of champions. The contest is too soon for them to defeat odium or make that the climax of the book. It seems like a first act thing to me. In a way Dalinar losing would unite Roshar since they've agreed to cease hostilities in either outcome and Dalinar is the leader of the knights radiant and the most powerful human military force on Roshar. Also I would cite Sigzils memories from sunlit man as evidence for some kind of schism in the knights radiant around this time. He mentions shredding the soul of a dear friend, questioning the idea of the honorable warrior, and some failure of leadership on his part. So it seems to me Dalinar will become Todiums general basically. Some of the knights radiant will stay loyal to him. Then the conflict will become something to do with Todium trying to corrupt spren and expand his influence into the spiritual realm and other worlds. Kaladin/Shallen/Singers and some new coalition of freedom fighters will be trying to save/uncorrupt spren ultimately achiving some pyric victory resulting in a tenuous peace on Roshar to last until the next series. It doesn't seem like the oathpact will be restored but I imagine they will find some way to defeat /contain Todium. Nightblood has already proven to be able to destroy Odiums vessel like eating a cake. Azure is wandering around Roshar with some new investiture eating sword which is probably an enhanced and slightly more morally discerning version of nightblood. I'm picturing some spiritual realm showdown with magic swords in the conclusion.
The honorblades were said to be literally made of honor and the stormfather is the largest piece of honor. I feel like Dalinar is going to forge all of the honorblades into one blade and that plus the stormfather is going to be enough to either turn Dalinar into Honor or literally revive Tanavast. At the very least he may end up with all the surges
I’m still watching, but I wanted to be *that asshole* and say that the Dawnshard would most likely be named “Unite” instead of “Unity” since they are, at their core, Commands. Ok, back to it! Love the vid so far!
You're not an asshole! I don't think I've ever seen this mentioned before, has Sanderson ever confirmed this? That would be very good to know for theories going forward, and I think that it makes a ton of sense.
@@LoreoftheWorlds Yes, it's stated in Dawnshard, chapter 19. I don't have easy access to my physical copy at the moment, so I've transcribed portions of the audiobook below (which also means my capitalization may be off, which we know is important for Sanderson, so fair warning):
"The force inside my mind asked me to choose." Rysn said. "It wanted me to accept it, whatever it is." -- "No, it did not!" Nikli said. "The Dawnshard isn't alive. It doesn't want things. You have stolen it." -- and Rysn knew, or at least felt, he was partially right. It wasn't a living thing she had taken upon herself, it was something else. A Command.
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"...You don't even know what it is you've done, Rysn. You don't understand what it is that is now inside your head." -- "So... tell me?" -- Nikli laughed. "Mere words cannot explain. The Dawnshards are Commands, Rysn. The will of a god."
Great catch!!!
am i hearing greenpath music from hollowknight in the background?
Noting that Cultivation has also seen Lift. And there is just something going on with her and using Lifelight that feels like a set up
An interesting thought I just had was what if shards don't always add up to the same outcome? Like what if odium and honor merging doesn't always result in in war?
This could definitely possibly! What other options would you see emerging from the various combination of shards on Roshar?
@@LoreoftheWorlds perhaps restraint of discipline something like that? It could tie in thematically with a lot of the character arcs but mm I am not sure either. I think it depends on how much each shard's intent is expressed. Perhaps commitment? both odium and honor sort of share that they commit to a course of action and it has that sense of bonds and stuff that seems important as well. It certainly opens up a lot of possibilities but I would have to think about it a lot more deeply. Perhaps war in itself if a commitment
I agree with the bulk of this theory but not some of the granular details. The Dawnshard is not in the Stormfather, it is in the Spiritual Realm and the primer is the Way of Kings. Dalinar's 'other' visions are tied to the last person to have Unity, which was Noahdon. Kaladin wont be honor, Kaladin is going to inherit Roshar once everyone else leaves in 6-10. Dalinar will be Honor serving Odium as a general. Odium will choose the Destination but Honor will choose the Journey. Cultivation will die trying to stop them leaving the system and her shard will be taken by Risin. This is MY take on a similar theory.
Some very interesting takes!
As I'm rereading, I am also starting to become more and more convinced that the dawnshard is somehow hidden in The Way of Kings
I would really like this theory if I weren't already committed to the idea of Syl ascending to Honor. A fragment of sentient power ascending to claim the Shard it was born from. It would be the perfect match of vessel and power. It would also allow Kal to reasonably retire as he would no longer be Radiant.
I think it is possible but unlikely for book 5. Maybe for book 10 though?
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In Sunlit we see Hoid in (presumably) a Kholin(ish) uniform in the Space-age. Which, in the context of your theory, begs the question of what Cultivation is up to and how this inflects (mitigates) the Unity of Honor and Odium. That is, what would her purpose be? Particularly given what we’ve seen of how Cultivation affects the drives of Knights Radiant, and, in Emberdark, we see a KR in the Space-age. Huh. Fascinating.
The Dawnshards are all verbs/action words
love the theories, even better we wont have to wait too long, ive given up on rothfuss!
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I wonder how adding cultivating and lifelight to the mix would change it.
Ehhhh. Some aspects of this make sense, but Dawnshards seem pretty darn rare. We already know that there is a Dawnshard other than the hypothesized "unity". Two seems like a lot.
But I am quite sure that Raize was at least somewhat concerned about the reconstitution of Honor, and such an event would possibly point to some revelation about the shattering of Adonalsium.
Solid theory. Love the pointed foil cap. Keep the cosmere vids coming, i just subbed
Wasn't ishar able to do the perpendicularly as soon as he saw dalinar do it?
What about Dalinar combining the shards of Odium and Honor and becoming Unity the shard
I hope Dalinar loses. It would be sad but also so cool. Imagine the Blackthorn a space age Cosmere general taking on the whole Cosmere. It would be so cool.
I've always thought that Honor will be reforged when the ten Honor blades are "united". I think unite them refers to the blades explicitly
Love all your theory vids.
I just think the conquest theory would be way too similar to Harmony and I don't think Sanderson would do basically the same thing twice.
I really feel like Dalinar will take up Honor the way Tarivangian took Odium. Theyve been such consistent narrative foils that it feels like a logical next step. Tarivangian has always been a few steps ahead, and so gets his shard sooner and more time to plan, but Dalinar embodies Honor, frankly more than he could have done without his tragic backstory ("bravery is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something is more important than fear" sort of thing, only he inst scared he was a war criminal) and so will take up the mantle during the sanderlanche.
I also think Kaladin will be in Stormlight 6 (based on Sunlit Man, but ive done no looking to see if the more clever fans agree), I think Adolin will be champion (the whole "my father thinks im a better man that him" bit plus the chance to overcome something Adolin sees as a great failure of character) and I think Cultivation will finally do something on screen instead of just flashbacks.
I do feel like the theming of stormlight ending in them being the universal aggressors doesn’t quite feel right. But maybe that’s the plot line for stormlight era 2
I am more and more on the side of Lirin taking up honor and the Son of Tanavast thing for Kaladin is even more literal that we thought....everything you are saying about Dalinar and the Dawnshard sounds cool and I'm on board with that, just that the vessel is Lirin instead of Kaladin. There are some things about Lirin that others have pointed out to me and there is so much smoke there.
Book 5 is going to blow this channel up I'm saying it now.
Im no theorist but got several waves of goosebumps throughout the video😅
Love your content.
Thank you! I really appreciate it.
Honour Lives in the Hearts of Men. Honour was splintered into the spiritual realm whereby they are caught in the spiritwebs of humans.
Cultivation + War = Conquest
I like it but seems more likely cultivations influence is the source.
Wait, is it tin foil, or is it aluminum foil? This is suspicious.
Ya know what, this is actually a really good point. It does matter quite a bit in this universe.
I think that Dalinar can do more than other Bondsmiths because Honor is dead.
I like it, but this honestly sounds like the rising action of the second arc rather than the conclusion of the first
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Dalinar will lose the challenge and become Taravodium's champion while Kaladin, the EPITOME of honor, will reforge and mantle the Shard of Honor.
Todium* Just sounds better
Very interesting theory
I like you and how your mind works mate
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I'm really not sure how you can take four books worth of journey of Dalinar and throw it enitrely away by making him a servant of Odium. That's Game of Thrones TV ending bad. Brandon Sanderson's writing lectures talk persistently about the "tonal promises" a writer makes to the reader, and how one must not violate such tonal promises. Think about that.
I personally think that’s exactly why Dalinar loses, Brandon has set up Dalinar’s journey to save roshar and rewrite his past sins, and his decision to “lose” the contest, will maybe be proven to have been worth it, but the Blackthorn (what I believe Dalinar’s Cognitive shadow serving odium forever will be named) will be trapped and need to be freed during the final conflict
(And if the dawnshard stuff is true for dalinar, then could you imagine what would happen if odium has control of the individual who has the ability to “unite shards” under his banner)
The four Dawnshards are Change, Life, Death, and Be (stasis). So Unity doesn't fit.
This is a brilliant theory. Shit man
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Dalinar does not have access or is being contacted by a Dawnshard. This is reaching on so many levels and there isnt even circumstancial evidence, let alone anything solid. Like the Child Champion and the Shallan's mom is a Herald theories actually have moderate to strong, respectively, evidence for them. This doesnt even have enough going for it to even warrant rational analysis on any level. What is allowing Dalinar to do things no other Bondsmith can are a few things. 1, Dalinar is directed bonded to the largest remaining piece of Honor's power, more so than previous Bondsmiths. 2, the safeguards on the Surges placed by Honor are crumbling because Honor is dead. He especially placed limits on the power of Bondsmiths. 3, Tanavast directly merged his Cognitive Shadow with the Stormfather after his Shard Splintered. 4, Dalinar in many ways now speaks for the power of Honor, sort of like a weird magical Power of Attorney situation. We see this one reflected in many ways. He can negotiate with Odium as though he were Honor. He could strait up release Odium immediately if he wished and he used this authority to negotiate the Trial of Champions coming in book 5. He also accepted the 4th Oath of Kaladin in book 4. Usually Honor did that, or the Stormfather who now contains a vast chunk of Honor's power as well as Tanavast's ghost. We dont k ow what Unity is precisely but it certainly isnt a Dawnshard. Its somethinf Shardic/Realmatic. We saw this when Odium stated "We killed you" and "Dalinat wasnt supposed to Ascend" notice the capitalization on Ascend. That tern is only ever used to refer to a Morral taking up Shardix power one way or another. This does not necessarily need to be the permanent, body vaporizes, event that usually happen but can be a mortal simply using the authority and/or power of a Shard via special situations and means like when someone uses the power of the Well of Ascension on Scadrial. They temporarily straight up Ascend and even become a Sliver of Preservation. Dalinar is touching upon this in authority and increasingly in power as the story goes. Unity is Shard related and Realm related, not Dawnshard related. As Dalinar increasingly begins to speak for Hoor it is even possoble he is further pushing againsy the restraints Tanavast places on the Surges, especially his own and could be capable of even more than previous Bondsmiths. There is far nore evidence suggesting this is what is going on than a Dawnshard being responsible.