Lawyer Reacts: Ben Chew HAMMERS Franke & Hildebrandt - But There Are Points I SERIOUSLY Disagree On
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I am so sick of people saying she was manipulated by Jodie when it's clear how abusive she was to kids in 8 passengers videos.
And what about the abuse they didn't televise.
I think she was abusive to begin with but that doesn't protect her from being manipulated by Jodi. One thing that stands out is that until 2018 her kids seemed to be getting a reasonable amount of food most of the time and none of them had scarring wounds. They seemed really neglected quite a lot and the discipline was pretty harsh for transgressions that were quite minor, but there was nothing like this. The only people sharing similarities with how Ruby was treating her kids after 2018 are people who had run-ins with Jodi.
I really think Adam Paul Steed made a good point that Jodi appealed to women who were already selfish and abusive and molded them into something worse. I think the only thing that matters in the Ruby was manipulated point is that Jodi is a danger to the public while Ruby is a danger to her family. She deserves a fair amount of jail time, especially as a punitive measure against her crimes, but I worry Jodi will remain a danger to the public at large for her life. I wish she could stay in prison forever for the safety of other children. I care a bit less if Ruby gets out in 10-30 years though I would be angry if she only did 4 or less.
You know both can be true. She had abusive tendencies, and shecwas also manipulated my Jodi.
@@melistasy
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@@tiryaclearsong421agreed. Ruby wasn’t great to start with. But Jodi somehow validated or made worse Ruby’s treatment of her kids. Ruby was manipulated but into the worst aspects of herself that were already possibly there. She basically became what people had been worried about all those years before this.
You don't unbrainwash yourself that fast. Ruby was rotten before Jodi. They are equally guilty in this case in my opinion.
100%! It's takes years..even decades.
I wonder if it is brain washing or philosophical views. My understanding is Ruby was getting clicks & followers so her behavior became more extreme😮
Yes! I have been thinking the same thing! If she was brainwashed it would have taken much longer for her to change her mindset. She was already abusing these children before Jodi was in the picture.
AGREED
she obsessively needed validation after getting "cancelled" for her abusive parenting style and found it in doing what Jodi wanted
Ruby said out of her own mouth in the jail calls to her sister, that the parole board is “looking to see how repentful you are” SHE KNOWA EXACTLY WHAT SHE IS DOING JUST LIKE SHE HAS ALL ALONG!
That's like saying restaurants are looking for people who are hungry. Does that mean I'm not hungry when I go to a restaurant?
@@supriseimblack other things she's said and written would indicate she doesn't actually feel any remorse. I get that it's beneficial to show remorse through the trial and sentencing, but it would appear that in this case it was just a manipulative act to duck the consequences of her actions.
Husband is just as guilty, imo.
Yes yes yes. She has a keen sense of appearances and the good in that was how she made millions building her brand. The bad? Well people with no empathy but that keen sense of appearance are dangerous as hell.
@@elizabethmiller819
My 4-year-old niece knows that a parole board is not looking for her to be indignant and victim blaming. That doesn't mean you're devious. It doesn't mean you're a criminal mastermind. It's like saying hey before I get sentenced by a judge you might want to show some contrition...
No shit...
I agree with Ben Chew about Ruby- just reading her diary shows how dark she is. I think she is as liable as Jodi. She gave birth to those children and then tortured them. She deserves the full 30 years.
Yes - and she abused them king before getting involved with Ruby - Ruby just enabled her to get worse.
@@DocBree13 ????
I agree 100%
Same here I agree. She pulled one over on the prosecution
@@DocBree13agreed. But I think you meant ruby was that way long before hooking up with jodi
She's flipping on Jodi to save her own skin. She's just as guilty as Lori Vallow, it just didn't get that far.
I wonder why the two of them weren't charged with attempted murderx2
Exactly - but it would have gone that far had R not escaped and got help.
Yet. But it was definitely coming in my opinion.
I don’t know if I heard if Jodi had any dealings with the older kids. Ruby did. That would make the difference with me. And what about Pam Botchler? She was right there with Jodi and Ruby! She needs to go down too!
@@Maggs-2248
I think Jodie's neice Jesse was older than RF and EF..
Ruby was abusing her kids waaaaaay before she met Jody. IMO- Jodi just enhanced her ability to be totally unhinged.Maybe she wasn't abusing them as badly physically, but she was absolutely still abusing them. And why hasn’t her husband been charged?!!
Exactly!!!
100% agree!
My question exactly! Does a father not bear any responsibility for the basic needs and safety of his children? He should have demanded equal access to his children. When does the neglect of his parenting responsibilities rise to the notice of district attorneys? His children were starved and tortured and he could have stopped it.
I agree it was always inside her
There's some conflicting data about that. I read the oldest daughter said things were good until 2018, when Jody came into the picture, and that the UA-cam viewers didn't start reporting abuse until 2018. Also, Jody's niece, who Jody abused long before Jody met Ruby, said the abuse towards Ruby's kids was classic Jody. She said "these ideas came from Jody." Ruby should be in prison just as long as Jody, IMO, but the more I learn about this, the more it seems like Jody is pure poison to the human race.
A stranger, a neighbor was brought to tears when seeing the wounds. A police officer had to excuse himself from the ambulance, the stench of flesh nauseating. Neither Kevin or Ruby had that same intense reaction to their son’s inflicted wounds!
she said the police exaggerated and the children didn't need to be in the hospital
@@coralieelliott2076 So infuriating!!!!!
Wicked fanatics, thinking they are soooo right!
I wonder how Kevin feels now that all E and Rs injuries, torture, abuse is out in the public domain - AND that him initially supporting his wife are all out there in his own words.
@@thisisanaussiegal3590 He also tried to get his oldest daughter arrested a day later
I was watching Hidden True Crime's podcast the other day and Dr. John a Forensic Psychologist, said that Ruby has an entrenched belief that children are evil and that they must be punished. He also said, Jodi did not make Ruby do the things she did to R and E, but gave her permission to do them. They played a phone call Ruby had with her sister from jail, and Ruby fully knew that if she acted super remorseful she would look better to the prosecutor, because of Jodi's lack of remorse. Ruby also told her sister the prosecutor told her he is going to stay neutral when she comes up for parole, because he thought she was remorseful. Dr. John said that Ruby's addressing the court was an "Academy Award" speech, and because of her entrenched beliefs she is at increased risk to her children and it would take years to years to rid her of this belief system and it wouldn't happen within a few days that she saw her wrongdoing.
Ruby was abusing her kids before she met Jodi -and her hubby was involved in the money making podcasts
Agree 100%❤
This! Great summary of what Dr. John said. He insight is so good. If u watch him on the regular, you will remember how he called out Gypsy Rose & that she was not what she was portraying. While the whole world was embracing her. I've listened to him since the Murdaugh trial. His thoughts on why Murdaugh would kill his wife & son, I finally understood the totality of what happened with the family. It made perfect sense to me where no one else could pinpoint why & how Murdaugh did what he did. At least not to the depth Dr. John explained it. It was fascinating. I've been a fan ever since.
Yes! Dr. John has fascinating insights. Ruby didn’t fool him or his journalist wife. They liken these women to the Daybell case.
Agreed & Dr John is absolutely brilliant!
She realized the boy was gone. That's why she called her attorney! She said there was only one child in the house.
Jodi knew "R" had escaped. She had been looking for him for 30 minutes around the neighborhood. She knew "E" was the only child in the house. She did have a conscience of guilt.
It's consciousness of guilt. Completely different than a conscience!!!
Yes she did and I unsubscribed for him saying she didn't know she was Guilty
Right. She indicated ONE child was in the house but there should have been TWO. She was feigning ignorance about why the police were there demanding entry when she knew damn well that R had escaped and THAT was why they were there.
She chased them down the road other times, too, when they tried to run away.😢
Source, please? I have yet to see that anywhere.
Don’t fall for it Peter, Ruby is a sadist without an ounce of remorse, she’s just been raised to say all the right things to people like you ❤
It seems that people think that saying that Ruby was manipulated is somehow abolishing her from everything, but it does not. It is just showing who is the bigger monster of those two, Ruby is a danger to her family, while Jodi is a danger to Ruby's family and every other person that she meets. No one thinks that Ruby is innocent, and just the fact that she got manipulated into doing that to her kids, says a lot. I agree with Peter and the prosecutor: Ruby is a strict parent and religious fanatic who got manipulated by Jodi into thinking that her children are possessed and had to be "saved" by following Jodi's visions and advice, but that doesn't justify her wrongdoings. Not at all. Jodi may be the mastermind, but Ruby is still the executor of Jodi's will.
@@Signe0184 The fact you believe ruby was manipulated is very telling. She showed signs of escalating abuse before jodi showed up, if you ever watched her channel you would know. Anyone who believes their children are evil has got some serious mental health issues going on to even get to that point of suspension of belief. If anyone is able to swallow the mormon religion they are ripe to swallow anything because they have already proven they are gullible, doesn't make them less responsible.
@@screamoguy100 You're contradicting yourself, you literally saying that she as a Mormon is proven to be gullible. You are even proving my point. As I said, no one is saying that Ruby is not guilty. She was a religious fanatic, one can be an abuser and manipulated at the same time.
Even Jessie, Jodi's niece says that ductaping and chaining children is Jodi's doing since Jessie experienced the same treatment.
Ruby is now against Jodi, which is not something new, it is a common thing that happens in cults. Followers who become separated from their leader and find out that their leader is talking against them tend to change their minds and "wake up". Think of hippies and Charles Manson, the hippies killed those people most horrifically, but later, in the prison they got back to their senses, but guess what, that doesn't absolve them. One may be manipulated, but there is also a reason for that.
Ruby probably still thinks that kids should be punished when doing something wrong, but she may be aware now that her kids were NOT possessed by the devil, and that Jodi's visions, which she talks about in her diary, were not justification for the abuse of her children. But guess what, it is too late now.
She is on trial for a very specific thing, that's why the focus is on whether she was manipulated or not. She is not accused of making Chad sleep on a beanbag etc... Only for ducktaping, isolating, torturing, and starving those two kids under a specific period. That's why they can't charge Kevin since he proved he was absent and had no contact with the kids. But that and other things will affect his custody battle.
@@Signe0184 lol You can believe whatever you want about ruby, its pretty clear to most people that she is manipulating the system to get the lesser sentence and it clearly worked. Gullibility does not mean less responsibility....is that difficult to understand for you? Ruby is doing everything to help ruby, not because she's changed or seen the light of day but because her own lawyer made her aware that she can think all the crazy things she wants, she just can't display that craziness in front of the judge or the prosecutor. and again, it worked for her didn't it. NO ONE unbrainwashes themselves without extensive lifelong treatment, yet ruby somehow managed to do it all on her own, in a few short months,so was she really brainwashed then? Or is she just making it sound that way to get a better deal? Not buying what you're selling.
@@Signe0184 Your statement isn't actually saying anything to rebut mine, but you go ahead and write your paragraphs lol
I am not buying Ruby being sorry. I believe she enjoyed punishing her kids long before Jodi. Mental Health experts have said she is a sadist.
In one of Ruby's jail calls she talks about the sentencing when she says, "They're going to be looking at remorse ..."
Yes, that to me seems very calculated vs genuine. Just my opinion
this, I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, because not accepting responsibility, like Judy did is way worse, but after hearing that call, and her torture journal.. I can see it was all a manipulation
Just commented the same thing before finding your comment! Yes, she knows exactly what she is doing just like she has all along!
No shit they're going to be looking for a remorse. That doesn't mean anything
I hope there are women on that parole board or men like Ben Chew!
Exactly!!!
Exactly! So many men have a blind spot for how evil she is.
I sincerely hope that besotted, totally taken in by her manipulation District Attorney, is long gone when it comes time to evaluate Ruby for parole.
they are in Utah. The board will most likely be like minded mormons.
So do I.@@marianasantos1336
Peter, I really respect and like your channel, I am also quite concerned that you’re buying into Ruby’s shtick. And it IS a performance. It’s how she had so many calls made on her to cps and then was allowed to keep doing what she was doing. It’s not like Jodi and Ruby met and suddenly this sweet, friendly helpful woman and mother of six became a monster out of nowhere. People have been trying to help these kids for years. She was absolutely problematic before Jodi. It’s really really important to realize that. Remember how she started wailing and weeping that R was SAing other kids in the court? During a custody hearing? One she absolutely knew would be reported? Where was that accusation in her journals? That was a manipulation, a grotesque one, but one that was calculated to try and take the pressure off herself. She weaponizes tears. She is not safe. I think a lot of you and I’m aware it’s hard to see a situation like this and see a religious, attractive wealthy woman in the hot seat and not think she must be sincere when she starts thanking the people who arrested her: she never directly admitted to what she did to the kids- she only refers to them as “chicks” and goes on about how she was “waddling them to safety” and then was manipulated into harming them. . She did not apologize for falsely claiming that RF was a SA, she did not “thank” him for getting away from her. Why? I think because his and EF’s egos are the only ones she doesn’t think she needs to stroke to get out early. Please, I’m telling you and I know many others are telling you. This woman was harmful and abusive before she ever met Jodi. And her lies now are still catching people.
Damn it! I hope this video doesn't live up to the headline. I really like Peter, but I saw the Ben Chew interview with Jesse and Ben stated the painfully obvious. He did not HAMMER anything, in fact, he was actually a bit too soft.
I'm not looking fwd to this video because i don't want to be disappointed in Peter.
Even if headline is meant to be click bait and he lands up saying he agrees with Ben(because how could he not) then I'll be disappointed he is resorting to this tactic. 🙄
The oldest daughter Shari stated that her and her mother had a great relationship till Jodi. Jodi was apart of their lives since 2018 in regards to the oldest son. She was the one who pushed the wilderness camp and such. No ruby, isn't innocent but people really under estimate what a person like Jodi can do psychologically to others. There are many a victim to Jodi.
@@_Amanda_Lynn I promise I don’t underestimate the harm that Jodi has done, to the Franke family and the Steed family and many many others. My concern is focused on Ruby in this post because I’m far less concerned that anyone is confused about how horrible Jodi is. She is not as good at holding place a mask and she is not as willing to be subservient to get what she wants, like Ruby is. I’m not picking on Ruby just because- I listen to the words she says and the way she says them and hear a very cleverly manipulative person who is actually convincing some intelligent people that she’s not so bad. She is so bad. Just because Jodi is also bad doesn’t change that fact. I’m sincerely anxious about her being let out in a couple years and snaking her way back into the lives of these kids. Jodi doesn’t have that same kind of “in” because she’s not their mother, and doesn’t have the same familial ties.
@@deborahrose8621I thought that Ben showed too much restraint in his views, also.
The children experienced the kind of trauma that can lead to dissociative disorders. Imo they should not ever be within earshot of their evil mother ever again. 30 years each. And Kevin should be brought up on charges of neglect.
Beyond the physical, the little boy told the neighbor that it was his fault. The psychological trauma will take much longer to heal and leave him vulnerable to substance abuse. Bless you R. I hope he knows how special he is.
Interesting. Though he said it was his fault he knew to some level that harm was being done to him because he knew to try to escape and ask for the police. And this wasn’t even his first time escaping.
@@jcallwood25 I think you're right. I think he knew he wouldn't survive unless he escaped. He also told his mom, "I'd rather have a glass of water than have you as a mom." That was in Ruby's journal. I bet he's extremely relieved she's in prison.
@@hikingwiththedog6078in other words "I'd rather live than have you as my mother". Even an abused kid knows water=life
Actually he was asking for the police because he was turning himself into the police.. Ruby told him that he was evil and that he would go to jail if he didn’t repent etc. Eventually he decided jail would be better than being tortured/starved by his mother so that’s why he asked for them. Heartbreaking..
@@PamRussell187 I didn’t know that, poor boo 😒. It’s so heartbreaking. I think the eldest daughter called CPS and nothing was done. Not sure how much weight the Morman church had on that outcome. I read they were recommending Jodi as a therapist or whatever she was presenting herself as. Based on Kevin’s interview / interrogation, there may have been some kind of mind control going on. Proves how malleable a mind can be in the hands of evil .
I could watch her saying , “I have my atty on the phone”, and the police saying, “ that’s great. Step out of the house.” And pulls her out!! 🤗😆😍😝
It wasn’t her reluctance to talk without a lawyer, it was her demeanor.
I agree.
Peter is 100% right that calling a lawyer, remaining silent is fine. He taught us that! Peter, doctors said these children might have died. They were close to death. At some point, influence notwithstanding, a mother has to protect her children. Who else do they have? The dad was absent. Another disgrace.
Read her diary!!!!
I agree- Ruby can't have it both ways! She abused and called her kids selfish prior to Jody! She is an awful human, let alone "mother". So misunderstood!? Ha- what a mean and vicious person. They're both despicable and have zero concept of love . They both make me ill. So sad for the children. Ruby is a lying pos and Jody fed off of her being overwhelmed by her children. I want them both in jail long term.
These children WOULD have died. No doubt. They were on that path and moving with a quickness to Arizona. Russell knew it.
@@cindiwindi the littlest hero 😔
Ruby not talking to the cops was a power play. Telling them how many children she has is not something that can be used against her. She was defiant and angry, while her children were close to death
Peter!!! She called her attorney when she realized the boy was gone!
Yes of course, that is pretty obvious. But you can’t use it against anyone in court. It’s a fact. Like he said, it’s saved innocent people in the past.
I think Ben is really saying it together with all of the evidence. He didn’t say that, but that’s how personally took it. I think Ruby decided to put on a show when she decided to plead guilty. She knew this is best option for lightest sentence.
I don't think ben has seen most of the evidence.
@@hnraj9441 maybe so. He did know the basics of what bad shape the kids were in and the women plead guilty. It’s hard to know all of that and view it through fresh eyes. That’s just how I took it.
Ruby blames Jodi. Not herself.
Ruby is their mother and it was her responsibility to ensure those kids wellbeing, not Jodi.
Jodi may have encouraged Ruby to depraved new heights of abuse, but Ruby had a choice. She chose to torture her own children and even kept a journal of her abuse where she calls her own children "evil" and "demons".
I don't think Kevin should be off the hook either. He okiedoked every instance of abuse that showed up on 8 Passengers, and he abandoned his children to the far from tender mercies of Ruby and Jodi for a year.
I love the way Jodi says I can tell you what's in my house. I just bet she never would have said there's a half dead child in my closet.
Ruby clearly stated in her journal she knew if they didn’t find R when he escaped the first time, they would be going to jail. Ruby was not delusional she clearly knew what she was doing was against the law, and what the consequences was going to be if they were found out.
I sincerely hope the parole board reads her journal and her words are ringing in their ears when she is before them, telling them exactly what she knows she needs to do to be out on parole. She’s very clear on what the parole board requires as she stated in the phone call with Jodie that she’s doing exactly what is required but Jodie isn’t.
Also, in her journal, she is not rambling she clearly details all the abuse she is doing to them.
It would be very interesting to read the large parts that have been redacted, whether she’s written anything about Jodie torturing them
I love Ben Chew and agree with him. I watched 8 Passengers for years and can tell you that Ruby and Kevin had a very warped view of the way children should be treated and disciplined. I blame Ruby for what happened to her children and Ruby is the parent not Jodi. Ruby has a brain and should of used it. Saying she's was brainwashed is a cop out. Ruby is a master manipulator and knows how to act to make the parole board think she's been rehabilitated and that's what she's doing. I have no sympathy for Ruby at all, she's a horrible person. I worry that she'll control the other mothers she's in prison with and teach them her warped view for disciplining their children. I'm shocked she's in with these mothers instead of the general population.
Totally agree
Yes usually women who hurt little kids in prison, have to go to solitary, so it makes me wonder just how many abusive moms must be in her areas jail
100% I'm sick that people keep making excuses for Ruby.
i agree.
I agree!!!
BRFORE the officer even told her why they were there , he does ask her who else is in the house … Jodi tells him of the Airbnb guests and 1 Child in the home . ONE CHILD ! She knew R escaped . Consciousness of guilt right there !!!
people don't change that fast
I think it made Ruby look horribly guilty. She nvr asked about her kids at all!
Didn’t you read Ruby’s journal? She said vile things about these children. Had they made it to Arizona, the kids would have ended up unalived!
Peter's take on Ruby has to be clickbait at this point. There is no sane person who sees Ruby as a redeemable person after seeing the body cam videos of those kids, hearing the jail calls and reading her diary.
In one jail call, Ruby told somebody that she would look better at sentencing because Jodi was not showing any remorse or regret. Ruby was mean to her kids long before she started with Jodi. She was mean on her 8 Passengers channel--professionally mean.
I feel Kevin only divorces Ruby just to be able to get the kids back. I think he would still be wanting to be with Ruby.
Agreed! He kind of said it to Ruby. He said the only way they could the kids back he has to get a divorce
he also wants the money from the sale of Jody's house--the only way he gets that is if he gets custody of the kids
@@MoonDragon1 and she agreed
@@coralieelliott2076 that’s right. Was that the same time she still thought she could be out in 10 days or was that later? I mix up the timelines.
Absolutely agree
I think what Ben Chew was referring to is that Jodi called her lawyer knowing the boy had escaped, not because law enforcement was currently at the door. She knew they were going to arrive because of the child escaping.
To me it’s not that she didn’t want to talk, it’s the way she acted. To me she seemed arrogant.
Agree! With you!
That's it! Not allowing yourself to be questioned and not showing any natural emotion for finding out your child is in hospital Kevin did the same thing. I think Peter took his comment too far.
Yes, totally agree with you.
She doesn’t think she did anything wrong. Why she is so dangerous and disturbed.
Arrogant, totally agree. I would add uncooperative. Simple, factual questions that would not affect her rights against self-incrimination. She refuses to speak period. Control freak. Always was. Always will be.
Thank God for Ben Chew he sees what pretty much everyone sees is that she was not remorseful
Peter, I believe Ben is saying the mother's lack of emotion towards her children situation, not asking the officers how or where her children are, instead waiting for a lawyer to save her is detrimental to her case in court. Also, Judi called her lawyer before opening the door. Shouldn't it be the opposit order if she didn't have an awareness of some sort toward the situation. I believe Ben is talking from the position of making arguments in the court against them and I appreciate his perception of these documents.
Agreed and well said!
One must watch the episodes of 8 Passengers that Ruby and Kevin Franke about their world view and how they disciplined their children to get a more accurate picture of Ruby Franke’s sick ideas of how to disciple children. She had a sick and deluded way of thinking before Jodi took over. She is by No means an innocent victim of Jodi. These were Her children. Sure, Jodi had an influence on her way of thinking that took it to a whole other level. Folie à deux like couple. They ignited each others sadistic delusions. Ruby’s quick mea culpa is proof of her own cunning. No true cult victim recovers in a matter of weeks and months.
Agree with you. Listen to the jail house phone call between Ruby and Kevin. It's show the real Ruby and Kevin, not once does he disagree with Ruby. He was indeed part of the emotional and mental abuse before Jodie, in the 8 passengers videos. He denied the abuse because he like Ruby saw nothing wrong. Kevin and Ruby are just speaking the words that will get her less time.
I think she was less than ideal parent given that she family vlogged and used her children to get internet attention, but what stuff prior to Jodi was on the same level as after Jodi? I think they connected in 2018 and ppl grew worried since then. But I've only heard few examples and they aren't strong.
It is worth noting that Jodi became a very relevant part of their lives in 2018 in regards to the children and discipline in particular the oldest son Chad.
You couldn't have articulated the truth better,I wholeheartedly agree
Agreed!
When Ben says Jodie has the consciousness of guilt, I think what he means is that she knew she was guilty so had the presence of mind to get her lawyer on the phone.
When R went missing, she knew they were in trouble.
Jodi was on the phone to her Attorney before the police told her why they were there.
Who has an attorney on speed dial? I don't.
I agree with the consciousness of guilt assertion. She didn't call when the cops came, she called when she realized the child was gone and the ambulance showed up at the neighbors. You can tell when she starts talking to the lawyer after waiting for the cops to search the house that she has explained to him far more about the situation than she could have told him between the time the cops showed up and when she opened the door. As soon as she realized EMT's were there, she knew R had been found and it was about to go down.
Ben chew isn’t being asked as a lawyer, he’s being asked what a jury would think. And to not see a mother mothering would absolutely affect me, no matter how fair and impartial I could try to be. Kids are just different.
Correct.
I think that 99.9% of comments here support what Ben was saying - that's what a jury would think.
absolutely right; juries are made up of 12 of me, not 12 of you, peter---it's the american jury system---you give us this responsibility, we are going to see what we see, judge how we do, without lawyerthink.
@@cindyjohnson5164 it kind of pisses me off that he is not in the comments responding to any replies. This was a highly controversial episode and the viewers deserve better.
@@deborahrose8621 I've hammered Peter for his take on RF and now Ben Chew but he is religious and it is Easter so I'd guess that he's busy with his family and services at this time. He hasn't been on Twitter either.
Ruby had been exposed to CPS before and knew from her past experience what they were expecting from her. She plays a good game. No parent can smell their children’s flash rotting on their body and just put honey on it and then tape it up. Even if they were hypnotized or manipulated the minute, your child is in that kind of danger you come out of everything.
why wren' they charged with not seeking medical intervention?
She used honey and cayenne on open wounds
Honey was used for the stinging cayenne to further torture them
I totally agree with Ben Chew about everything. Ruby is the mother, they knew R had fled. They deserve 30 years for what they did. People who can't see this need more life experience of bad people. Some live to protected lives. Just imagine this being you who did this. Sometimes you need to open your eyes when it comes to evil people. Ruby is a manipulated narcissist, & she enjoyed punishing her children for several years, before she met Jodie. Two sadistic women. Ruby's whole body language at sentencing showed that she played along because she knew she had to show remorse - a word she can't even spell. she did not write that text she read.
She knew he wasn't in the house but I don't think she knew he had been rescused and was on the way to the hospital. She never once asked about that little boy. For all she knew he had collapsed in the desert
Shocked you don't see the strongly manipulative nature of Ruby!
Shocked the prosecutor is going easy on her too!
Her statement in court was an act. Overact even. She is evil and you don't see it. Wow!
She admitted on the jailhouse phone call that she KNEW it was important to act contrite and take responsibility. Ben is 100% right!
I agree with him on Ruby getting just as harsh a sentence as Jodi bc she's the MOTHER.
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She’s not a stupid lady. She knows exactly what she was doing. All of the admissions in the diary were of things she did. Never once did she say “Jodi advised me to...” or “Jodi told me I should...”. It wouldn’t matter anyway. She chose to listen and continue the course of action. In the process she almost killed two children.
Sorry, but Ruby is the one that kept the journal of what she did to her kids. As for her to see the light all of a sudden is a joke.
I think they both should be in prison suffering for 30 yrs for what they’ve done to those children. Those children will have to live with it for their entire lives.
What lyk completely discounts is that religion plays a HUGE part in every one of Utah's justice system, right down to every lawyer and police officer in that state. This is something that even the media gets wrong....the mormon religion permeates every part of Utah from government to social services to the justice system. Watch the prosecuting attorney make excuses for ruby, which is completely disgusting btw, because she's more physically attractive than jodi and from a mormon man's pov, that means she gets a pass on her behavior - because attractive women who can cry crocodile tears and appear contrite surely are truly remorseful right? Absolutely ridiculous! Utah cannot separate church from state and should be investigated.
I agree! I live in utah and have never agreed with the mormon church or their practices. I am honestly not surprised by the bishop agreeing with her over the phone.
Do you know that for a fact, or just what she said? A bishops job is just to help her move forward in a repentant manner, not to believe or disbelieve.
Utah has the highest child abuse stats in the US. There's also little real separation between state and religion. Basically - corruption. Attorney Clarke is also LDS and he made a politically convenient decision which will help his career. Offer plea deal despite having so much evidence, slam dunk case. Make it a one bad apple case - Jodi. Mormon Stories Podcast's female therapist has been disgusted by this case, she's clear that abuse is systemic in Utah and it's rooted in the church.
@@carolmorgan7998 Were all those bishops that referred couples to jodi for counselling just doing their job too? Where was their power of discernment when they were dealing with a genuinely evil person? It doesn't exist.
She admitted it on a phone call to her sister that if she said stuff in the courtroom and to the judge she was going to look better than Jody and probably get a lesser sentence. It's on her one phone call to her sister before sentencing
Common Peter! The reason she call her lawyer is because she saw the police presence a few doors down and couldn’t find R…she put things together and call her lawyer because she knew what was going on in that house was wrong!!!
Jodi was actually out looking for RF, because she stopped to ask the cops if they saw a boy😮 he told her that they were looking for one also😢 so she knew to go home and call the lawyer.
she also must have put that little girl in the closet and told her to stay there and not make a peep---and was hiding ropes and hand cuffs in the safe room--she knew what she was doing was wrong and did have a consciousness of guilt--the lawyer she was talking to was a finance lawyer that looked after the company's books
Well said!!! I totally agree!!!!!!
@@lindaouellette6656Oh wow, interesting!!! I did not hear that. Very revealing.
@@coralieelliott2076I thought the same thing. She is wicked!!!!!
I agree with much that Ben Chew says. Ruby and Jodi were “the perfect storm”.Ruby knew exactly what she was doing and chose to treat her children terribly. Jodi gave her the opportunity to worsen that treatment. Ruby is a smooth operator playing the system, she hasn’t changed she just wants to get out.
I watched several videos last night and so many of the hosts said Ruby is now remorseful and was totally manipulated by Jodi... NO, NO, NO! Ruby has said she has to "say the right things" to get less prison time AND was torturing her own kids BEFORE Jodi came along.
I feel like I'm taking Crazy Pills...
Completely agree. She was horrible many years before this. If Ruby (or Jodi) is out in 4 it will be a terrible tragedy for her children, the community and justice in general. I hope they both get what they gave in prison.
@@tracyhays751Totally agree! I hope she is "invited to fast" by the other Mothers in jail/prison...
Jodi was involved starting in 2018. The crazy videos on 8passangers were After that.
I don't think she's a good person, but people don't have the timeline right.
Agree!
I have no children and this is horrific.
I dont believe Ruby was manipulated. I believe this pairing (Jodi & Ruby) was a match made in hell. It was a synergist relationship - alone, they were bad. But together, they were awful.
Peter got mesmerised by RF's Oscar performance and fluttering eyelids too, just like the prosecutor.
I know, it's utterly rediculous. Only a sadist could do what she did to her children!
The prosecutor can't afford to be honest. He's in a Mormon state and there are plenty of Ruby & Kevin & Jodi clones. Remorse is the only card he has without ruffling feathers. Peter has a good heart and honest Christian beliefs with noble intentions but as the saying goies, "The road to HELL is paved with good intentions"
@@deborahrose8621he really does and I really respect those beliefs, and forgiveness and redemption are so integral to those beliefs and I admire that. I even believe in that to a large extent myself- but I sincerely believe even Jesus Christ would forgive Ruby Franke and expect her to face her consequences honestly and to be kept far away from those kids.
you comment before peter even said anything?
REALLY?
you may want to LISTEN TO PETER BEFORE MAKING A JUDGMENT.
he's completely right - what chew is saying here is insane.
Not only should Ruby stay in prison for the whole 30 years but I don't understand why the Bishop of their so called church isn't in some kind of trouble. Ruby had been abusing her children for years before Jodi came along. Jodi was a monster and had been for years but the Bishop and LDS church were sending people to her. It's sickening.
I totally agree. It seems to me Jodi acted as an agent of LSD and as such the church should be liable. The church already knew all the complaints against Jodi and did nothing. All to the contrary, the church kept sending people to Jodi.
we also haven't heard of either of them being kicked out of the church (ostracized)
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They'd probably either be a lot more fun or a lot more dangerous if they were on LSD 😉
@@coralieelliott2076it's really hard to get excommunicated from the LDS church if you are white and financially successful. The fact that Jodi also did a bunch of dirty work for them is just icing on the cake.
After the murders of Tylee and JJ, it took multiple years for the Mormon church to excommunicate Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Just let that sink in.
@@SteamPoweredSmurfette 😂
I thought Ruby’s parenting was bad WAY before she met Jodi.
My opinion: yes, calling the lawyer is fine, but the fact she was already on the phone with them prior to the cops even knocking on the door is a little questionable. She obviously knew that the son had escaped and was expecting them to show up. There was even signs that she had cleaned up a bit.
Ruby is not remorseful. She even mentioned the word "distorted" in her "apology." She is manipulating everyone around her, as she always does. Ruby was abusing her children before Jodie was on the scene. Please remember that.
I think Peter is on an island with his opinion on Ruby!! She NEVER even asked about her kids in the jail calls. Infact she said they EXAGGERATED their wounds when told they had to be hospitalized! Shes a monster!
Hopefully the older children, especially Sherry, will sow up at parole hearings for Ruby and fight for longer term. The kids knew for years the horrid things going on in their house... 😢
That's why it's important imo for Kevin to never get custody of those kids and only supervised access because he'll be pushing them to blame everything on Jodi and let their evil mother off the hook. She will still be abusing them psychologically from prison, via Kevin. Personally I would foster them out of state if that is possible but certainly somewhere that the Mormon faith doesn't have control because I think they will also screw with the kids minds.
Peter bought a ticket for an Oscar nominated best performance. Simple as that.
She is not remorseful. Chew is correct in his assessment. Ruby has fooled many folks. I don’t understand how anyone thinks otherwise.
Even if Peter is right about her being remorseful…so what?? what she did before and recently are unforgivable no matter how sorry you are😮
No real emotion behind the words she simply strung together. Her statement was not close to being believable and certainly not Oscar worthy. Makes it even more disappointing that some fall for her manipulative BS.
I think Ben is the first expert that I’ve seen not giving them a pass and parents are responsible, period. That makes me scare, if the whole blaming Jody has convinced a few of these brilliant professionals, I wonder if her drama can convince the parole board too and end up out in 4 yrs.
I agree with Peter and his assessment.
The first time I do not like what Peter says. Ben has a cleare opinion about Jodi and was questioned specificly about here .I am a little disappointed from Peter and asked myself what triggerd him so much to use the word hate so often.It was a differend show not his .Not professionelle at all.
By the way credit someone respect and turn then down is no respect.
sorry Peter this was childish
Everyone has an opinion, and I’ll be interested to hear what yours is. That said they both deserve a very long prison sentence, and never should be allowed around children again ever!
or pets. no children, no pets, no plants.
@@leslie4551Exactly!!😅🤣👍👍
Ruby batted her eyelashes and tossed her blonde Mormon momfluencer hair at the prosecutor and judge and thats all it took; just like Lori Vallow.😡
I thought there could have been remorse but then I got more details and I don’t think there’s any coming back from that kind of evil. She’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. There’s no redemption after doing something like this. None.
I can't watch anymore but Peter:
If you have bought into Frankie's remorse as genuine... Hello?
i went to prison a decade ago on drug charges. you cant even comprehend how many mothers in there will be hurting, would give anything to see their children again.. and to love them. just the presence of jodi and ruby and knowing what those 2 did, a lot of people are going to be in there watching those news stories, having people on the outside reading them excerpts. those two are in for a treat 😅
I would like to know what the meds / drugs they bought in Mexico were.
Did they cause the hallucinations?
No, dude- she didn’t call her attorney when the cops showed up. She was ON THE PHONE with her attorney when the cops showed up.
Second of all, maybe in some generic scenario in a vacuum calling your attorney doesn’t imply guilt. But in this case it absolutely does show consciousness of guilt- an 11 year old boy had just “.gone missing” from her home. If she wasn’t doing anything wrong, why wouldn’t her first phone call be to the police?? “Oh my goodness, a young boy in my care has gone missing from our house. Please can you help us search? It’s an emergency! He’s gone and we don’t know what’s happened to him!!”
Instead, the first phone call she makes when she realizes he’s missing is to CALL HER LAWYER.
COME ON, DONT BE DAFT- that is 10000% consciousness of guilt! Every other caretaker or responsible adult in America would have been on the phone to the police immediately, begging for a search to be mounted immediately, an Amber Alert announced, media exposure, etc. but not Jodi. No, the first call she makes is to her lawyer. Why? Because she knows that if he’s gone from that house it’s because he escaped, not because he was kidnapped. And she knew HE would be going straight to the police, and that they would in turn be showing up at her door, and that if they didn’t already know exactly what was going on in that house from the boys description, they would find out when they came in and discovered the state that little girl was in.
I wish we could hear a recording of that phone call to her lawyer. I would defy you to listen to what she obviously must have said to him (ummm, I’ve been sort of torturing a child and he just escaped and went to the police, is there any way you can save me from decades in prison?) and tell me that’s not “consciousness of guilt”.
Please.
Well said.
This is the important distinction that lawyer here isn't addressing.
First of all I have always appreciated your thoughts and commentaries on these cases. You always follow the law and your Christian principles are so admirable to me as I am a Christian as well. But I have to say I disagree on this one. I guess I feel like the relationship between a mother and her children should be the strongest one that you have. It is simply in a mothers heart to protect her children at all costs. After seeing the picture of that previous boy in that state made me so angry. I feel like she should get the harshest sentence possible. Her words at sentencing didn't make up for what those poor children went through.
I think for her it did show consciousness of guilt. The lawyer said, “they are there because you lied about…” before she stopped him bc she said a cop was standing right there. She knew once she saw that the little boy was gone. Ruby is horrific and seemed to me to give an Oscar worthy performance in court. In the podcast videos with Jodi, they made little comments about things they had done to the kids and giggled because no one else knew (at the time).
I think she plead because they had so much evidence against her like her own journal
Agree with you completely! To have a jury hear her children talk about what she did to them would not be in HER best interest.
There are also some political powers in Utah that want this case to go away ASAP. No one is talking about the influence of the LDS Church on these women. They have influence over the legal system at high levels.
I interpreted that interview with Ben Chew as more of a parent speaking than a lawyer. Also, as you said he is a civil lawyer and not a criminal lawyer. He is speaking out of emotion not as a professional lawyer. Just my opinion.
I don't think her exercising her right to remain silent would be held against her.... But her attitude while exercising that right? Absolutely. Again, if it would even be shown. But the near aggressive stares she gave would rub anyone the wrong way.
She doesn't appear as waiting for her lawyer...
I do agree that ppl should never hold it against anyone for being silent. It's the stares that make her look bad
Well, maybe the cops should have stopped asking questions once she said she wanted a lawyer before talking. That is what they are supposed to do.
@@staceyotten5312 I'm talking about even before that...I do not think they violated her rights. They were looking for a clear I won't talk at all without a lawyer-the only question they asked after her statement was to clarify that there was nothing she would talk about. Then the male said it was all up to her and she said she already told them. They then offered for snacks and the washroom.
But nevermind all that, I was only commenting on how her stare would come across, and that I didn't think most ppl would judge just based on silence.
Peter, bottom line is Ruby is their mother. She was doing horrible things even before Jodi came along. Her husband was also aware of these heinous things. She is a master manipulator. She got off easy.
Peter they both deserve life if the truth be told! This has been a wild outlook in here.
“ I have my attorney on the phone” cop- That’s great get out . I can re-watch that over and over.
I know many think Jody is the master mind, but I think Ruby has been abusive way before Jodi came in the picture and is actually just a sick if not sicker and more evil than Jodi.
She’s a sadistic mother and I’m so happy Little RF was brave enough to save his siblings. Also…so much respect for Ben Chew. ❤
I don't think Ben meant that it would have been argued at trial that Ruby's silence would have been construed as guilt, however a jury may have perceived it as guilt no matter what her atty said at trial. I'm sure her atty would have said it was her absolute right, however a juror would draw their own conclusion... I hope my explanation makes sense
Calling ypur lawyer is not a consciousness of guilt, Jodi, who has a tortured girl at home and a tortured boy missing, calling her lawyer when the police artives is a consciousness of guilt (or presence of mind as Chew says)
Remaining silent is not the problem. Ruby acting as she did after being caught torturing her kids is.
Chew is commenting specific to this case. Hes not making general statements.
Thank you for including Ben Chew's view of this case!
I pretty much agree with everything Ben Chew said in the interview.
As others have mentioned, Ruby & Kevin were already mentioning some of the abuses on 8 Passengers, I believe before they even met Jodi, so how can this all be blamed on Jodi's brainwashing? Sure it may have got worse, but please don't give a free pass or excuse Ruby & Kevin's behaviours and blame it on Jodi. (Jodi does seem like a terrible person though, cult like leader and abuser)
Jodi was involved with their parenting starting in 2018. Which was before the most outrageous videos. Ruby even says on a couple of those videos that the are working with a therapist who is telling them this is the right thing to do.
I still think ruby was a screwed up person before jodi, but I don't think she would have done anything like this if she'd been referred to a real therapist for their oldest rather than jodi.
Jodi's whole demeanor and body language expressed massive guilt when the cops came to the door and was filmed. The cops couldve been going door to door on a total different case, but she knew it was about her...
Sorry Peter in this case Jodie was displaying conciousness of guilt. Can't use it in court but to me it shows that. And I think she moved girl to closet.
She also phoned Ruby to tell her what was going on--
That girl was still so scared when the cops found her I wonder what Jodie told her When I seen her take her first bite of that pizza I was so emotional
I agreed with Peter until I saw the recent document dump that included the pictures of Russell's ankle wounds, his bones sticking out, and heard the testimony of the first responders that after removing Russell's makeshift bandages, the smell of rotting flesh was pungent and unmistakeable. I agreed with Peter until I read Ruby's journal and read the hatred she had for these two children that she gave birth to.
Although I never watched 8 Passengers nor heard of it prior to the arrest of Ruby and Jodi, it was clear to me that Ruby has an entrench system of beliefs that predates her association with Jodi. Although I do believe in redemption, salvation and change as certainly a possibility, I can tell you that as a Christian abused, neglected and bullied throughout my childhood, I'm still, at 64 years of age, uncovering beliefs about myself that require much prayer and sanctification from my Lord and Savior. And in his grace and mercy, he is doing that.
However, given that Ruby is not and has not truly taken responsibility for her f-ed up beliefs and thinking, it's not a stretch to doubt that her acceptance speech at sentencing was actually genuine or sincere, let alone driven by a true desire to change. Maybe after she stews behind bars for a decade or two I will be less doubting about her assertions of change. But for now, while I know it's possible and I pray that she does change, I have changed my mind and no longer agree with Peter.
Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I hope that I am. Until proven wrong, I remain very skeptical. Not because I doubt God's power, but because I doubt that Ruby is even close enough to God to see the Light. She would not know the gospel if she was hit with a crucifix. Pray for her. I have great compassion for the lost and she needs much prayer.
I will not be praying as I am an atheist but I absolutely agree with your comments about the rest. I am sorry for what you you went through and still dealing with.
The sign of a remorseful mother is that they get so depressed and guilt-ridden at the realization of what they did to their child. There was not one morsel of this sentiment in any of the jailhouse calls. She never once asked about the children or wondered if they’d ever forgive her. Very self absorbed and now walking around with a self- applied halo, patting herself on the back at her very public ‘repentance’
This is beautiful, thank you for sharing your heart
@@BearSiren- its good to know that no matter what, we agree on the basics of what constitues good parenting and genuine change. Decent loving people show up in all walks of like and of every faith or none. Perhaps one day you'll meet the savior and believe. If you dont, I wish you a good life. 💯
@@foreverwander0320thank you for your kind thoughts. God has been good to me. ❤
I am 100% with you. There is a reason the Constitution gives us a right to remain silent. I would never agree to talk to the police until l had an opportunity to talk with a lawyer. Period.
Why can't all of these bleeding hearts in the comments understand that? It's because they're blinded by rage and think only with their emotions..
This whole case hits a person on a primal level. A parent's basic instinct is to protect at all cost. Kevin was not blameless either, he and Ruby were abusing these kids prior to Jodi's entrance into their life. All three of these folks are manipulators and I don't believe a word out of their mouth. As the older generation learned eons ago....actions speak louder than words. All their actions speak loud and clear.
Agree. Also I believe that Pam lady was aware of what was going on in that house.
Let me guess - you think Ruby is redeemed. I don’t get it Peter.
No way is Ruby remorseful
was it worth making a misguided comment before the stream even started?
Hes trippin!
No, he believes in redemption. That doesn’t mean that Ruby doesn’t deserve to pay for her crimes. However, as a criminal defense lawyer you have to believe in the redemption of people.
Legally! She harmed her kids she needs to do forever in prison
I agree with you Peter regarding right to remain silent. 100 %. Coming from a family with both lawyers and law enforcement. However, I have one kid left at home. A 30 yr old special needs/ disabled child. We have been through 100’s of doctors, therapists, religious leaders etc. In a million years, I would never let anyone even family endanger the welfare of my child. The end. So I too am skeptical of Ruby’s 11th hour 180.
I think Ruby should be locked up until her youngest gets through college (if they choose to go), and Jodi should get the full 30 years to protect the community.
I think restorative justice would be a superior system, but we've got what we've got.
What's not to agree with? He said the women don't sound sincere.
how about listening to what peter's saying 🤣🤣🤣
he's spot on.
I had watched the interview and knew what Ben had already said. I also watched this video and have the same opinion.
One exception is that he should have clarified that requesting to wait for attorney was extremely important, however looking and behaving like a cold psycho bitch was a bad idea and would turn off a jury.
Peter went off on the rights point and drove it into the ground. Ben's emphasis was on the optics and not rights of attorney.
And Ruby's optics were really bad because that is who she is and Ben nailed it.
Peter tells us to be honest EVEN if we disagree with him because he wants to know how jury's think. And this is my opinion!
Chad Franke, 19, left the trial smiling. He has since posted a short video with his girlfriend, laughing about his mother being in prison. He had been abused for years, long before Jodi was in the picture.
Peter is too obsessed with the right to a lawyer stuff, we all know you are right about that, but it seems to be overriding your opion on the monster that Ruby Franke is.
Yes! As far as her Oscar speech, I contemplated how I would feel if I had done that to my babies-yes they are babies. If I really had a full accounting and appropriate remorse, I would be completely shut down possibly for years. There would be no way I could give a speech like that, I would more likely want to crawl under a rock. So no, Peter, if she was really sorry she would be struggling with her own demons, like how to ever feel like a worthwhile person again!
I remember the Jon Benet case when the parents layered up I thought they had something to hide. As I have gotten older and hopefully smarter, no way I would say anything to a cop without lawyer.
If Russel has not escaped, both kids would probably be dead by now.
I think the public will let the parole board know how we feel about Ruby’s part in this.
I hope they publicize when the parole hearings Are in advance!
Oh, my sweet summer child. Ruby is a horrible person. She was getting off on controlling her children long before she met Jodi. Watching the incredible entitlement when she was arrested, she's disgusting. I hope she is in jail for just as long as Jodi and I hope it's the max.
I think Jodi knew the boy was gone and called the lawyer in anticipation
She definitely knew….id like to know how he got out
He climed out of a window