I actually like Tris and Divergent, but between Divergent and Insurgent Tris seems to undergo a huge personality change and becomes moody and unlikable.
They would have been so funny lol just imagine one CEO randomly blurts out how he wants to have flirty relationship with some plumber or something but sadly they are just harsh karens
@@katherinealexander7333 there are literally actual kids in this cult club though. i think it would just be a bunch of 16-17 year olds randomly blurting out that they want to have sex with their crushes
It would've been great if they were just BRUTALLY honest all the time and completely socially unaware for that matter LMFAOO I'm just imagining a bunch of kids absolutely roasting Tris to her face and getting confused when she gets offended
as someone who read this series in a middle school book club, I'm not surprised it was written in 3 weeks. it feels like something that you write for a creative writing class assignment that's due in 48 hours
If someone gave Dylan a dollar everytime he mentioned his shitty uni being shut down because of lack of funding, he would single handedly be able to fund its reopening.
Yeah, it's explained later in the story(in the books at least, I don't remember much from the movies) that the non-divergent people are the unusual ones But still, I agree, it could've been executed better
Katniss would have literally killed whoever was responsible if she found out that Panemn was being watched by someone outside who could have intervened to stop the games but didn't
She kind of did. Coin was planning to let the games continue, even though the revolution was supposed to be an end to the carnage, which is really not much better than never trying to stop it at all.
@@sicksalt7765but Katniss agreed to keep the games going with Capitol kids instead tho? She only killed Coin because she realized that she was just as bad if not worse than Snow because she was smarter
I’m I the only one who realizes that the emoji movie and divergent have basically the same plot? I mean think about it: our hero lives in a world where they have no choice but to join a faction based off what they’re chosen to be, but the protagonist has more than one “personality traits” so a oppressive female leader vows to destroy them or make them like everyone else. They also both have a love interest who’s mysterious and full of secrets, a highly advanced but oppressive society, and have been heavily criticized for ripping off previous works! Except ones a desperate attempt to be relevant with the kids, and the others a movie for moody 14 year old girls who think they’re better than everyone else.
Considering how dog shit the book is not really, if you just turn your brain off and not give a single shit about the quality of what you're writing you can write pretty fast.
I sincerely think is the best thing going on about it! I have zero interest in these stories, this Hunger Games ripoff teen shit, but the title seems to stick and occasionally grabs attention in the Freeview channels. And then you realise it's THAT one. Forget about it...
Yeah haha, I think that's another reason for it's popularity since teens will be like "omg she's just like me, I must be so special". Maybe that's what popularized those not like other girls vibes.
@@atinymoonizen True hahah, at least Katniss was quite brave. I never got the appeal of Bella though, I think I mostly just watched those movies for Taylor Lautner haha
I began to write my book 6 years ago and Im still working on the prequel with one chapter and working on a hole history book for my book and many other things and divergent was written in 3 WEEKS.
I think a major issue with Divergent (along with all of those Hunger Games copycats) is that a lot of them really failed to understand the actual meaning of the original trilogy. Hunger Games was a fun sandbox with a love triangle and a cool, capable female protagonist, but that's not what the narrative itself was actually about. It was about the horrors of capitalism, about commercialism, about class, about Hollywood and desensitization-in the book, anyway. Movie's a different story, but the point remains. Divergent, on the other hand, isn't really about anything. Tris and Four and the sandbox they're stuck in are all it's got. Even that could've been good if their relationship SAID something about anything, but it doesn't. Well. Metatextually, it says something about the state of YA literature, but... I don't think the author meant to do that.
The messaging of The Hunger Games didn't work because the world-building wasn't really that good to begin with just like every YA dystopia novel. Panem is simply too stupid to exist.
That's the thing about the Hunger Games, I feel like it had everything to become a really good work of literature, in paper everything works, the final product didn't work that well and I honestly don't know if it was the writing per se, cause the themes and ideas surrounding the plot are really interesting imo, I'll never forget how in the first book Katniss was horrified to learn that people in the Capitol had a drink that made them puke so that they could keep eating, when almost everyone in her district was starving, it really had some clever ideas, it was a shame it never got that much recognition
The Hunger Games really isn’t much better than Divergent. They are both kind of flat works with messages that aren’t explored in any real depth. It’s like theme bingo.
HG was about a totalitarian communist country, not a capitalist one. Lmao. Did you even read the books? The class system was built into the laws. That’s why people couldn’t rise to different socioeconomic levels: it was enforced classism.
@@Naisef22 I feel his pain too, i've been trying to create my fantasy story for the past 3 years, but i'm still developing the universe, the mythology, the creatures, the archs of the characters and their struggles, by the time i finish writing it I'll be 50 🤣🤣🤣
The factions seem like they were inspired by the main 6 in My Little Pony. Honesty-Apple Jack Bravery- Rainbowdash (loyalty) Peaceful-Fluttershy (kindness) Smart-Twilight Selfless- Rarity (generosity) I'm gonna go with Pinkie Pie is Divergent because she is kind and generous :) But with MLP these traits were given to 6 individual characters. I don't understand what's up with the idea of sorting personalities into 4 or 5 groups but maybe the author was watching mlp on her winter break
I remember a lot of the shows I watched as a kid and used to adore mlp but I'm legit scared of being associated with the fanbase, I can't tell if you are brave or insane
@@justmona4087 she really doesn’t honestly but the whole plot is centered around her having more than one personality trait. but she still turned out so bland though lmao
My biggest problem with divergent is that Tris was only 100% divergent because her mother came from the outside. putting an outsider into the experiment completely ruined the experiment and no one even acknowledged it.
Her mother was from the outside world?! (Its been years since I read the books and I gave up on the movies halfway through Insurgent) that really is such a major plothole holy shit
also, four was practically almost fully divergent, so surely in a society that reveres divergents, he wouldn't have been treated so badly, nor referred to as dauntless once they left the experiment, like surely they would've been like woahhhhh a fully and almost full divergent!!!! and since its about genes and stuff, surely they have pressured them to create kids that be either fully or almost fully divergent to try and create more???? lmao
@@puttingmyphoneoncharge in the books it was explained that four wasn’t actually divergent. he had an awareness that combatted the serum (which other people had as well) but they just didn’t know that at the time.
One small detail that really irritates me is the fact that the factions’ naming conventions aren’t uniform: Abnegation, Amity and Candor are nouns while Dauntless and Erudite are adjectives. This shouldn’t piss me off as much as it does…but it does. This is, of course, barring the fact that segregating people based on personality (as though everyone just has one their entire lives) is absolutely braindead, and you could just picture Veronica Roth writing the books knowing full well that teenage girls will buy the books in droves then immediately take a Buzzfeed quiz for their faction while going “they just like me fr”. Edit: one other thing I just remembered; Veronica Roth’s factions are a blatant attempt to leach off of the success of the Hunger Games yet somehow fails to achieve even that, because the districts in the Hunger Games make sense as each one specializes in a particular field or line of work; no human being specializes in one personality, that is impossible. Tris may have come from Abnegation, but if there was a faction called Whining, that’s where she’d belong. TL;DR - Veronica Roth’s not a good storyteller.
She was 22. I don't blame her, I just blame the agent, publishing house and customers that made it the overrated success it was. There's a lot better scripts out there
i’m not sure if every copy has one, but in my copy of divergent there was quite literally a test you could take to see which faction you would be in haha
Obviously people don’t fit into one segment; this is a sci fi dystopian future where people behave very much like humans when it comes to seeking power but clearly they are different when it comes to specific personality traits and I assume genetic experimentation or whatever. Because… yeah duh? If it were humans we recognize there wouldn’t be a story? Also you know what’s more brain dead than segregating people by personality traits? Segregating them by race. And yet.
To clarify I’m not even trying to defend the books themselves or whatever but the concept is interesting and more symbolic than just “haha girls are dumb to read and write this am I right?”
At the beginning of the book it is specified that the fearless faction has the most choosy faction requirements to get in, but they obviously also have the highest mortality rate. One of their own faction died at the train jumping ceremony. A person who has been doing this for at least a year died at the first task of jumping off a train, which they do every day.
Well unlike the author of divergent, Dylan is actually taking his time to write a well thought out and interesting book with good writing.. Sorry that doesn't take 3 weeks?
@@swordsmithing No maze runner was published in 2009 and divergent in 2011. So maze runnner was the first one. I don't know the order of the movies but since they are based on the books I think when the books were published matters more 😊
@@Bkfvlms divergent was also well thought out? It came from a book. I like the movies and personally I enjoyed them more than the maze runner and hunger games. With the maze runner I don't even remember majority of what happened and I've watched All the movies and with the hunger games I fall asleep all the time trying to watch it.
I met veronica Roth in person in a Q and A session with dinner. I also bought her latest books (forgot their titles) and had them signed. I tried so hard to read them but gave up and then sold them on eBay for no profit cos I just wanted to get rid of them. I didn't read her divergent series either, I was just there to ask her about how to become a successful author. She didn't explain much, basically I chalked it down to luck. $300 for dinner and meet and greet and didnt even include the price of her books. I'm stupified. At least she seemed nice and complimented my dress
The best thing about the 3 movies is the cast. Theo James has two successful tv shows right now, Miles Teller as Rooster in Top Gun Maverick is amazing, Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman in The Batman was phenomenal. The rest of the cast featured Kate Winslet, Maqqie Q, Ashley Judd, Tony Goldwyn, Ray Stevenson and my fav Shailene Woodley. It's crazy the 4th movie wasn't made.
The whole concept of divergent is that one girl has a personality, but like she didn’t at the same time she’s literally the stereotypical brunette who has no personality whatsoever but the whole film is about her 😭😭
@@mirame88 To be fair, while these books have some major issues, Tris being a Mary Sue (whatever that term even means at this point) wasn't one of them. She was actually a pretty well written character with a lot of flaws and growth.
@@swordsmithing Oh yeah I totally believe you (I haven't read the books). I was talking specifically about the Tris they made in the movies. I saw a lot of reviews saying that the character has been destroyed in the movies, when in the books she really is great :)
This is really ironic bc that's exactly how I read these books. I gradually slowed down until the 3rd book... and I got so bored I forgot for months and then didn't remember most of book 3 so gave up and read something better.
The fact that she wrote the book in around 50 days (apparently that's what she said, so it wasn't exactly just over winter break) kind of explains some things for me. It's been a long time since I read the books, but I do remember really enjoying them. It was definitely well written, and the characters and general atmosphere/world were well-done. But when I think about it, there were always elements of the world and story that didn't altogether make sense, that I overlooked because I was invested in the characters and their experiences. To me it really explains why the movies fell so flat for me. When I watched them, I came out feeling like it was somehow too faithful an adaptation. I think that the reason the books worked is because she is a good writer, but the movies couldn't capture that the same way because it's a different medium, so even though the movies were faithful to the story and world from the books, they came out feeling pretty bland by comparison.
@@Not_Always I admit, I was in High School when I read it, so I can't promise I'd have the exact same evaluation now. But I feel like the ability to suck a person into the world and story, and continually keep them engaged, is a sign of being a good writer. And I think the fact that the books were so massively popular also helps corroborate that. That's not to say she's amazing, or even that everyone has to like the writing. But I think writing can be a lot like music in that it can be good without it appealing to everyone. But just calling something bad writing or bad music simply because it doesn't click with you is a bit short-sighted and egocentric imo.
@@peterlewis2178 there are books that are objectively bad. It doesnt matter how engaged a person is. To say that writing is good because it was done quickly is kinda stupid. In short, this series was not well written and the world she created didnt make much sense. But if you like it, thats fine I mean some people like 50 Shades. Its ok to like bad writing. Just understand that most people wont
@@Not_Always I wasn't saying that it was good because it was done quickly. I was saying the fact that the books were engaging means that they were well written. By that I mean that, despite the flaws the series had, she was a good writer, and her skill with writing carries the series. Yeah, the world may not have made much sense, but that doesn't mean that the books were poorly written. It just means the worldbuilding was bad. There are a lot of qualities that make books good and bad, there's no single factor that determines if it's "good" or "bad" writing. At the end of the day, if a book is able to be really engaging to a large audience, then that proves that it has elements of good writing. Maybe not exceptional, but good nonetheless. I was just saying that she was clearly a good and engaging writer, and that made the books good and engaging to me when I read them. But, when looking back on it, and understanding the context of the time-span in which she wrote it, the flaws are a lot clearer.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t call them well written, even if I also read them in high school. I mean, I enjoyed the first book, confusing and boring at times but overall enjoyable, but I just had to leave the second one halfway through, because I could feel my sanity being stripped away from me with each unnecessary angst show off from Tris and Four, like when they fought and Tris decided to kill herself but was too emotionless (or didn’t have enough character development) to actually care to step off the edge. And the whole “Amity are drug addicts” felt so weird and unnecessary, like, I was willing to cope with it, but then it just kept getting weirder and weirder and I was just unable to keep up with the story because honestly, there was no story to keep up with. And yeah, to all that we have to add the fact that Tris and Four are too damn perfect. Like, dude only has 4 fears, and none of them are ever relevant. “I’m scared of hights” but he really isn’t, he literally never shows being scared when dealing with jumping off a building or anything else he does in the story. Again, if everything else was normal in the story I wouldn’t mind, but at this point everything was piling up and I just had enough. Veronica can be great with generating concepts, I will give her that, but to call Divergent well written is like calling a t-rex a german shepherd cause those two things are animals but not even slightly close to confuse them
it’s weird how this whole movies conflict is that tris has a personality and yet tris doesn’t really have much of a personality outside of “im the divergent”
25:25 To be very generous, I think the idea (based on something you showed earlier where they described exactly how the genetic modification "went wrong") was that the gene-mods presented in hyper focus (those modded to be brave were brave to the determent of everything else, etc) so the factions were supposed to be like this kinda reverse psychology test. If you were divergent it meant that your genes "had fixed themselves" or whatever. Like, the whole thing was a set up just waiting for the first person to go "hey this all seems really dumb" and then they win I guess?
It’s a story that has now become infamous among Northwestern writers: Veronica Roth (Weinberg ’10) wrote her breakout novel “Divergent” over her senior year winter break, signed a three-book contract with HarperCollins by April and sold the movie rights to the novel just before graduation. The book went on to become a massive hit among young adults, eventually being turned into a film trilogy that generated over $750 million at the box office. But Roth said it didn’t go exactly like that. After taking a light course load in the fall and completing her final papers early, Roth said she took about 50 days to write “Divergent.” She sent the rough draft to an agent she had previously spoken to (whom she found after Googling “how to get published by a big publisher”), who took interest in the piece and signed her. Roth then took another light course load in the spring so she could make revisions. For the people arguing about how long it took her to write it and if that included revisions. People forget just how many YA movies came out and failed. It was like Vampires and zombies, then over night, they just all mostly went away. Shadow and bone is the only one that currently comes to mind.
i think what saved this movies, especially the first one, is the chemistry between four and trice. actors did a great job about that it brings life to it tbh
It's just a contradiction because the whole point of her being divergent is that she had all the different character traits of all the factions yet in the film she literally had the most bland personality out of all the characters 😂😂
She had all those personality traits and choose not to have a personality 😩 She's so unlikable.... Somebody be like "tris if you will do x we will all die 100%, there are better ways" and she be like "ok but I have a saviour complex and I will do x anyway idc". Also, one of the main problem of her character is that she is (or should be) flawless since she genetically has only all the good traits, making her character unable to have a proper development arch in a way that is interesting and relatable to the public. Years ago when I read the book I found her brother waaaay more interesting than her, at least he brought something to the tablet 😂
@@chiccaluminosa The brother came across to me as an example of the damaged genes they were talking about, he was smart, but only showed emotions around his sister.
When I first read the first book, I LOVED it. It kinda reminded me of the hunger games which I also love. It started off very strong and had lots of potential but it kinda lost that potential in the second book. It moved really slow and I can barely remember the first part of the book. I liked the idea of the whole thing just being an experiment, but I hate how everything happened so fast and randomly. Like four breaks out of the compound after bed time, boom Uriahs dying. The whole thing could have been a lot better but just unnecessarily stretched out scenes, made some scenes feel too short, and a lot of the deaths felt unnecessary, to the point where I can’t even remember half of them.
I haven't seen this movie, but the way you sarcasticly describe using military intervention to kidnap children away from their homes and parents and forcing them into a "better society" has a really bitter taste when you consider how such actions have played out in real life. Like maybe they did a terrible job at portraying it in the movie or maybe I'm misreading the sarcasm but "medicine and longer/better lives" has historically been used in propaganda to excuse many cases of forced displacement. Forced displacement is a violation of the Geneva Convention according to Article 49 and is considered a war crime.
Yea or taking children from homes because their parents can't afford basic necessities? Because they're poor, they don't deserve kids? Why not just helk the poor parents or in this case, help all the people outside the walls?
dylan explained this before, not about this movie, but he always separates fictional stories from the real world. all the fictional stories are just for entertainment, they're not real. that's why he jokes about it/ uses sarcasm because they're not real and he's a comedian that's his job.
@@sahasraveda4505I mean that sounds cool in theory but it is impossible. Fiction reflects reality. Without reality, there would be no fiction. Fictional stories don‘t exist in a vacuum, they exist IN REALITY. Often times, fictional stories depict reality better than news reports etc do. It costs MILLIONS to make movies and all that, that sounds pretty real to me! Books, movies, series etc are made in the real world, with real money, real people and it is not possible to separate that and say that’s not real when everything involved IS real.
@@sahasraveda4505 It’s impossible to view fiction solely through fiction without influence from real life because the fiction is written by people who exist in real life. It will always hold elements of our reality because it’s the only one we understand. Aliens in fiction are almost always humanoid because the writers of said fiction imprint their view of evolution/biology on theoretical forms of life. Characters may inexplicably have different accents despite sharing the same native language because the writer understands accents from the perspective of their own language. Saying “Everything I say is for entertainment purposes only” and “don’t take me seriously, my job is to be funny” when analyzing content (ignoring however dubious the quality may be) is a defense made by incurious people who are afraid of polarizing themselves from their equally incurious community.
HAHA WHEN U WERE DESCRIBING THE FAKE PLOT WHERE FRIENDS HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FACTION OR FAMILY I LEGIT THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REAL PLOT CAUSE I HAVENT WATCHED IT IN SO LONG AND I WAS LIKE "hmmm... this is actually pretty good?" and then u went back to the real plot and I was shocked lmao
7:32 the candor serum actually didn’t work on her she told the truth because she wanted to. I’m not sure if they mention that in the movie, but it was definitely mentioned in the book.
I remember absolutely LOVING these movies when I was like 12. I tried watching them again last year (I'm 20 now) so nostalgia and I could barely get through the first movie
I think a big downfall for this series comes from the source material. I read the first book and loved it, it could've been a wonderful standalone! Then Insurgent was so boring it took me six months to finish, and I never read the third my mother told me it was that bad! Also, Divergent was clearly chasing the coattails of The Hunger Games' success, but had terrible worldbuilding and was too clearly a ripoff to be successful. I think the author wanted to be as revolutionary as The Hunger Games, but Divergent watered down the formula and wondered why it didn't succeed.
yess i think a big problem with the Insurgent book is that so much of it is just Tris and Four’s relationship problems… like all i remember from the book is that they fought all the time😭😭 if u asked me the plot of insurgent i wouldn’t be able to tell u
I liked the first book (I was a teenager at the time), bougth the second and found it ok... And then I bougth the 3rd and I was like "What the f***ck?"
The fact that each character can pick whichever faction they want is inherently flawed. If a character's aptitude test shows that they align with abnegation but they end up choosing dauntless (which they're allowed to do) it shows that they have conflicting traits about them. Which makes them... divergent.
Choosing to present yourself as something doesn’t mean you truly ARE that something. While yeah it would be a bit weird to join a faction you weren’t aligned with, choosing to do so doesn’t magically make you Divergent. It just means you made an odd choice. You don’t have to have “conflicting traits” to make that choice - you could be making it to appease a relative, because you’re being smart/strategic, because you feel too pressured in your current faction, etc. For example, someone raised in Amity (to be peaceful) might want an edgier lifestyle and is recommended for Dauntless, but knows their family would be broken-hearted or shocked (or they worry that they themselves won’t succeed there), so they go for a “safer” option like Abnegation (rather than from one extreme to another). That said, being a divergent in this case means a) you have very specific physical and health characteristics and b) you are equally dominant in several of these traits. It’s not about choosing factions, it’s about a physical and mental reaction to testing and medications.
I was just explaining divergent to my friend who’s never heard about it and after I told her that there’s a test but then they get choose which faction they go into even though the test tell them what faction would be the best… my brain was like “hold up that don’t make no sense” I don’t get how I didn’t figure that out sooner when I was obsessed with the series.
@@hollyscottage someone who is mentally unstable like Al would pick Dauntless because it's the easiest faction to die by suicide in with the weapons, chasm, and ziplining from the Hancock Building.
or stop making trilogies i think that ruins the ending because the first is always the interesting "new' concept, then the second is expanding on that and the third always becomes more convoluted, complex, confusing, and kinda boring and more political and it tries to link the cool fun small idea to this now huge world of power overlords but they also have to overthrow it all in that same book that introduces that big evil. what results is a disappointing sorta-conclusion that ends somewhere almost irrelevant to what the first one was even about to begin with.
eh i feel like it depends , you can’t always put everything into one movie from the books and if you don’t then fans will be upset certain things aren’t in the movie , so i get why it’s a thing.
it’s the fact that i had to suffer while reading the last divergent book cause tris died and they ruined how the books were supposed to be and never give us a ending we needed
and yet he doesn't tell about it later on haha I was sure he's gonna mention it to say how the author didn't think shit through but he's kinda just like if you know you know and the rest is like what's the joke guys
28:29 Kind of like Zoo. I loved that TV show. Season 1 was based on a book. It was a good stand alone story. But it was profitable, so they made a sequel. It also ended conclusively and they could have stopped. But they kept going because more money (at this point it is clear they planned a couple seasons forward). So they ended season 3 on the single largest cliffhanger I have ever seen, and canceled the show.
This series has some good ideas and had potential to be better. Roth should have put more time into it. I feel like a lot of fans of the series were using it to pass the time between Hunger Games movies and lost interest once The Hunger Games was done. The books, Roth made it up as she went along and didn't put enough thought into why the world is set up the way it is or what being divergent means. Divergent originally meant having traits of more than one faction but that was flawed because a lot of characters are written with traits of more than one faction, so it was retconned to be a specific genetic marker that defines divergence. and Roth had no idea where to go with the story once they left the city. The explanations given for everything was so ridiculous, it would have been better to just not have a third book and let fan fic writers give us a multiple choice ending. The city was set up to create divergents, then why in all seven hells is it set up to keep people separated by their genetic defects? the faction system is the opposite of what the experiment is supposed to be trying to achieve! why not set up a system that encourages divergence! and them declaring Tris a success of the experiment when actually her mom came from outside. so she inherited genes from a normal human and you declare it success in breeding out the damaged traits? that's like doing that experiment that is supposed to turn sugar into a crystal, putting. crystal in, and declaring it a success. also, Four is a stupid name. I never called him that, I always called him Tobias. SPOILER ALERT Tris dying in the end. I'm not opposed to the main character dying, the problem I have is the rest of the story played out the same way it would if she lived. In contrast, when Prim died in The Hunger Games, it affected the plot. It affected Katniss' choices going forward about her friendship with Gale and about killing Coin. Tris' death affected nothing in the outcome of the story. as for the movies, the studio execs clearly didn't even read the books. they decided to do what all the cool franchises were doing and split the last one in two with no thought to the consequences! turned out, there wasn't enough story to split in two. The fourth movie would have ended up being mostly original material, they wound up covering most of the book in one movie. I'm not sure what the plot of the forth one was going to be.
@@kellywolstenholme8134 She survives a death serum that David put into a room where she could stop the memory wiping serum that would affect Chicago and then she gets shot by him a few minutes later
honestly i have so much respect for Veronica Roth like she really just wrote a bare bones book in three weeks, piggybacking off the success of the hunger games, gave it to an audience she knew would eat it up, and then made absolute bank off it. legend edit: thanks for reminding me of her name
I suppose she was pretty smart for making such good money, but at the same time I think people should be making their success by coming up with something new and individual to them, not by "piggybacking" off the success of other people's writing.
I think we forgot about divergent because it literally falls into the whole “teen girl has to save a dystopian society” trope that became popular with the hunger games it’s literally like the author of Divergent asked the author of the hunger games for her homework and the hunger games author told her ok but don’t copy it all the way change a few answers EDIT: oh wow thanks everyone for the likes :)
I think the issue with the dystopian fad in the YA genre is how it disassociates the reader from the world it presents. Teens may enter thinking about how cool it'd be to be a badass heroine in such a crapsack society but after a while they become bored with it, recognizing nothing from themselves or their friends in any of the characters. That's conversely why Harry Potter was so successful-the boarding school environment made it ever so relatable all the way through, despite having ample fantasy elements in it.
Okay- I just read your comment and burst out laughing!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are too right. Wasn't one of them her BROTHER in one other film?? So he's been her brother in a film and a boyfriend in another?? ( It's been a while since I watched any if these☺)
Divergent is basically if you take the Hunger Games, but then you take out excellent social commentary, interesting characters, wonderful world building, and an actual sense of caring for content over profit
To be fair, Divergent has made me appreciate The Hunger Games way more than I did initially. That was an actually well written story for the most part. But this... yikes.
Me: has read the whole divergent trilogy, and read the first book several times. Also me when Dylan explained the lore of the divergent universe: WHEN DID ANY OF THIS HAPPEN?
The book could have literally been about a child born Fractionless and how they survive and their choosing ceremony, etc. Because you NEVER see any Fractionless children- they could be taken away at birth and given to families, but what if they manage to hide a child and raise it as this Fractionless activist? Someone who tries to break the barriers and stigma around it. You could still have oppressive government, minority groups, revolution, etc with a much more interesting character.
Once you choose a different fraction you can not go back to your original one and if you don’t rank up at your new fraction, you become part of the fractionless. I guess that’s why there are no fractionless children, I don’t think the fractionless would even want children, they’re basically homeless
@@zeezee6809 honestly I don't think being homeless would stop them from having children. There are lots of poor people in this world who are still having children. And some of the fractionless are young and I doubt they live under celibate for their whole lives. They also probably don't really have access to birth control so.. yeah I think there should be a lot more children that are born fractionless
I just found this video and it took me to those days when I was a book blogger and the books were being released. Something that also ruined the movies was the ending of the final book. I remember the whole book community HATED the ending.
One thing I love about Dylan is how well-spoken he is. He just really has a way to phrase his words that is so eloquent and as a viewer you can always keep up with him and understand what he’s explaining. All of Dylan’s word choices are amazing and intelligent
I've never watched your content before, but I think I'm a fan after this! I like how you call out the badly written things out and make jokes, but at the same time you're not going too far and you aren't being a jerk about the author.
im really just waiting for the day when Dylan paints those chair legs green and edits it out so its just him and his beverage floating in front of movies
I will NEVER forget that terrible epilogue called "we can be mended", where Four ended up with Christina. The more Veronica Roth wrote about Divergent, the more she fucked up.
I had to check the summary since I really thought you were lying, but that really is how it ended. Wow. I also wanted to highlight this piece of writing from the summary I found: "Tris miraculously survives the death serum and opposite-of-miraculously dies when David shoots her"
I remember reading the first book and not minding it but being weirded out that apparently the smart faction was evil. I didn't like the story well enough to read the next book so I have no idea how that played out in the series. I just remember seeing hints of 'nerds, but EVIL" and finding it rather strange.
Having really enjoyed it, I tried to summarize divergent in a few sentences like you did with Hunger Games. I found, umm and question marks highly accurate.
The irony was that the whole premise is that Tris has a personality...and yet she has absolutely no personality.
Neither Does Shailene Woodley! Perfect Casting!
hahaha that's exactly what I hated about it all!
I actually like Tris and Divergent, but between Divergent and Insurgent Tris seems to undergo a huge personality change and becomes moody and unlikable.
@@karenhall4645 I definitely agree. The first book was good but the rest went off the rails.
Absolutely
“Why did we forget about Divergent so fast?”
Maybe cuz I was actively trying to repress the memories after that awful ending
Isnt that the truth 😂
Awful non ending you mean😭
the ending was basically the author saying FUCK YOU to her entire fan base.
Omg i was sobbing it took me a whole motherfucking week to stop crying when i think about it 😭😭
Really? The ending was probably the only thing I liked
Let's be real, the "honest" faction could have been hilariously chaotic if the book had better writing
They would have been so funny lol just imagine one CEO randomly blurts out how he wants to have flirty relationship with some plumber or something but sadly they are just harsh karens
I imagine it would be similar to the seelies in shadowhunters, such experts in telling the truth that they can twist it
@@katherinealexander7333 there are literally actual kids in this cult club though. i think it would just be a bunch of 16-17 year olds randomly blurting out that they want to have sex with their crushes
It would've been great if they were just BRUTALLY honest all the time and completely socially unaware for that matter LMFAOO
I'm just imagining a bunch of kids absolutely roasting Tris to her face and getting confused when she gets offended
I once tried exactly that for one comedic character. There are so many ways you can use that.
as someone who read this series in a middle school book club, I'm not surprised it was written in 3 weeks. it feels like something that you write for a creative writing class assignment that's due in 48 hours
🤣🤣🤣not the writing assignment due in 48 hours
Haters gonna hate, you try making millions from book sales and movies
BYE i had to watch this movie in my creative writing class 💀💀
I remember throwing the last book at a wall after I read it. I was way too into books back then 🤣🤣
@@krystalmarin2010 I'm curious what was the conclusion that was never created in the movie?. The one that got canceled from coming out.
If someone gave Dylan a dollar everytime he mentioned his shitty uni being shut down because of lack of funding, he would single handedly be able to fund its reopening.
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@Kevin Anselm Sorry I’m British
the main character is “unique” in this story because she is.... a normal human being
And that's kinda bittersweet
Which isn't a bad concept but it's executed poorly in Divergent. missed opportunity.
Yeah, it's explained later in the story(in the books at least, I don't remember much from the movies) that the non-divergent people are the unusual ones
But still, I agree, it could've been executed better
Womp womp
Lmaooo I didn’t even think of it like that😂😅
Katniss would have literally killed whoever was responsible if she found out that Panemn was being watched by someone outside who could have intervened to stop the games but didn't
She kind of did. Coin was planning to let the games continue, even though the revolution was supposed to be an end to the carnage, which is really not much better than never trying to stop it at all.
I was waiting for you to say, “oh wait, she did” 🤣
this is kind of how attack on titan goes lol
@@morgangunning30seen the whole thing and huh?💀
@@sicksalt7765but Katniss agreed to keep the games going with Capitol kids instead tho? She only killed Coin because she realized that she was just as bad if not worse than Snow because she was smarter
I’m I the only one who realizes that the emoji movie and divergent have basically the same plot? I mean think about it: our hero lives in a world where they have no choice but to join a faction based off what they’re chosen to be, but the protagonist has more than one “personality traits” so a oppressive female leader vows to destroy them or make them like everyone else. They also both have a love interest who’s mysterious and full of secrets, a highly advanced but oppressive society, and have been heavily criticized for ripping off previous works! Except ones a desperate attempt to be relevant with the kids, and the others a movie for moody 14 year old girls who think they’re better than everyone else.
shit you're right
Wait, which one’s which?
That's why the emoji movie felt so familiar!! I knew there was a certain movie that I had seen with a very similar plot!!
Yeah , but atleast the animation in the emoji movie were good
You really are superior to us the mortals. I'd never thought about this before
The divergent series is just like my essays, slowly getting worse until it’s complete garbage and doesn’t even finish
Omg lol this is too funny, can I post this quote to my insta page? 🤣
My master's thesis in a single youtube comment...
Well the movies, that is. The books actually make sense
For the movies. But the books are actually good
@@vinaa2395 sooo good
I can’t believe I laughed out loud at the “repetitiveness in speech” joke 😂
me too!! i thought i was the only who caught it lmaoo i love dylan
same! i also had to point it out because it was so clever but not too obvious i just loved it
Gosh it was hilarious 😂😂😂
It was a good joke 😂
I DID TOO 😭
I liked the end of the last movie when she said “It’s Divergin’ Time” and Diverged all over the place
Bruh
Its Weskin' time
Stop it.
Yassssss
This is somehow my favorite iteration of this that I've seen lmao
The fact that the book Divergent was written in 3 weeks is crazy impressive. An entire book. Damn.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was only one draft.
Considering how dog shit the book is not really, if you just turn your brain off and not give a single shit about the quality of what you're writing you can write pretty fast.
Can't top mine!! I have to write a story in 1hr 30mins!!!
@@c.j.a5524 my school essays that I just improvise as I make them for 45 minutes
Certainly reads like it
Dylan : Beer and a movie
Me: that’s a misdirect
@@chidiogoikeh9516 An even worse misdirect
Dylan: **realizes he almost spilled wine on his white pants**
Dylan: “whew that was close”
Dylan: **claps using wine glass moments later**
Not me reading this just as it happened
I NOTICED THAT TOO-
He said, let’s live dangerously today!
Also, REFILLS THE GLASS
Divergent is like that series that randomly comes to my mind every couple years for no reason, before I up and forget it exists again
I sincerely think is the best thing going on about it! I have zero interest in these stories, this Hunger Games ripoff teen shit, but the title seems to stick and occasionally grabs attention in the Freeview channels. And then you realise it's THAT one. Forget about it...
Dude, same!
I actually watch it when I want to shut my brain off and laugh at the stupid movie that consistently made less money with each installment.
I wasn't super into it at the time but I think it's kinda becoming My Trash as Lindsay Ellis would say lol
"she's the protagonist, she can't die...yet"
This made me laugh so hard but also cry at the same time!! 😂😂
Isnt it weird to know that "divergent" basically just means *normal* people. Like clap clap for being unique and interesting.
Yeah haha, I think that's another reason for it's popularity since teens will be like "omg she's just like me, I must be so special". Maybe that's what popularized those not like other girls vibes.
@@MsCupcakeloveer Nah, Bella and Katniss were like that too😭
@@atinymoonizen True hahah, at least Katniss was quite brave. I never got the appeal of Bella though, I think I mostly just watched those movies for Taylor Lautner haha
@@atinymoonizen Meh, I think Bella was like that a bit, but I didn't really think Katniss was like that
@@atinymoonizen Katniss literally killed people.....not necessarily normal
dylan: "you can't write a book in three weeks"
yeah dylan, you've been writting a book for three years so... you should know
lol true... it's gonna be like 34 years till he publishes it
@@newclassic950 when he will publish it, I will be either too drunk or too dead to read it
1 chapter a year boys we have a journey ahead of us before reading his book
Drag him
Dylan better get his ass in gear. What's even the idea of his book, has he told us? smh
Not me spending 4+ years planning my sci-fi novel without writing a single word only to find out that Roth wrote Divergent in 3 weeks 💀
i feel you, my book's been rotting with 5 chapters for the past two years😭
it's always like that haha
I got like 5+ sci-fi worlds and I haven't gotten close to making a chapter for any of them 💀💀💀
Feels bad man
I began to write my book 6 years ago and Im still working on the prequel with one chapter and working on a hole history book for my book and many other things and divergent was written in 3 WEEKS.
I think a major issue with Divergent (along with all of those Hunger Games copycats) is that a lot of them really failed to understand the actual meaning of the original trilogy. Hunger Games was a fun sandbox with a love triangle and a cool, capable female protagonist, but that's not what the narrative itself was actually about. It was about the horrors of capitalism, about commercialism, about class, about Hollywood and desensitization-in the book, anyway. Movie's a different story, but the point remains. Divergent, on the other hand, isn't really about anything. Tris and Four and the sandbox they're stuck in are all it's got. Even that could've been good if their relationship SAID something about anything, but it doesn't. Well. Metatextually, it says something about the state of YA literature, but... I don't think the author meant to do that.
The messaging of The Hunger Games didn't work because the world-building wasn't really that good to begin with just like every YA dystopia novel. Panem is simply too stupid to exist.
It’s not a rip off it’s a female dystopian
That's the thing about the Hunger Games, I feel like it had everything to become a really good work of literature, in paper everything works, the final product didn't work that well and I honestly don't know if it was the writing per se, cause the themes and ideas surrounding the plot are really interesting imo, I'll never forget how in the first book Katniss was horrified to learn that people in the Capitol had a drink that made them puke so that they could keep eating, when almost everyone in her district was starving, it really had some clever ideas, it was a shame it never got that much recognition
The Hunger Games really isn’t much better than Divergent. They are both kind of flat works with messages that aren’t explored in any real depth. It’s like theme bingo.
HG was about a totalitarian communist country, not a capitalist one. Lmao. Did you even read the books? The class system was built into the laws. That’s why people couldn’t rise to different socioeconomic levels: it was enforced classism.
Dylan: you CAN write a book in three days
me: ....
Dylan: takes three years to write three chapters
yeah cos it's gonna be quality
I feel his pain, I've blinked and years have gone by and writers block is not budging
@@Naisef22 Ugh same! :(
@@Naisef22 Same same
@@Naisef22 I feel his pain too, i've been trying to create my fantasy story for the past 3 years, but i'm still developing the universe, the mythology, the creatures, the archs of the characters and their struggles, by the time i finish writing it I'll be 50 🤣🤣🤣
Knowing that she wrote Divergent in 3 weeks and became a best selling author actually gives me confidence that maybe one day I'll get published.
Don’t let your dreams be dreams, just do it!
wait WHAT?! She wrote it in 3 weeks?? Omg it's taken me almost 2 years to write my book.
Wait is that why you have that profile pic , because she was also writing a book
@@nicoleelbin9701 i spent 10 years just THINKING about writing my book and the last 2 years writing 13 chapters of it, lol! XD i'm bad...
The kissing booth and After were fanfiction and became books and movies, not one movie, but a whole series of movies. Never. Lose. Hope.
The factions seem like they were inspired by the main 6 in My Little Pony.
Honesty-Apple Jack
Bravery- Rainbowdash (loyalty)
Peaceful-Fluttershy (kindness)
Smart-Twilight
Selfless- Rarity (generosity)
I'm gonna go with Pinkie Pie is Divergent because she is kind and generous :)
But with MLP these traits were given to 6 individual characters. I don't understand what's up with the idea of sorting personalities into 4 or 5 groups but maybe the author was watching mlp on her winter break
It’s co Corning how much you know about a children’s show
Ngl now I want to make a fanfic version of divergent but mlp
Oh god, a bronie
I remember a lot of the shows I watched as a kid and used to adore mlp but I'm legit scared of being associated with the fanbase, I can't tell if you are brave or insane
💀
Honestly one thing that I really enjoyed about Divergent is its commitment of killing the main character. Not many series would do that.
But it wasnt needed and means nothing
@@jbear3478 So, life.
So like the hunger games?
And this is why i promise myself not to read the comments of something i havent finished
@@Diangeloozik I'm so stupid I continually spoil these dumbass books for myself 💀
this whole movies conflict is that the main character has a personality
Does she though..?
^^^ The irony of it gets me every time.
Your dp tho 💥😍❤️
@@justmona4087 she really doesn’t honestly but the whole plot is centered around her having more than one personality trait. but she still turned out so bland though lmao
LMAOO
My biggest problem with divergent is that Tris was only 100% divergent because her mother came from the outside. putting an outsider into the experiment completely ruined the experiment and no one even acknowledged it.
Her mother was from the outside world?! (Its been years since I read the books and I gave up on the movies halfway through Insurgent) that really is such a major plothole holy shit
@@InanimateGenderlessBlob I've never read the books, but in the movies yes. It was revealed in the third movie. I don't blame you for giving up😂😂
Yes that was true in the books as well.
also, four was practically almost fully divergent, so surely in a society that reveres divergents, he wouldn't have been treated so badly, nor referred to as dauntless once they left the experiment, like surely they would've been like woahhhhh a fully and almost full divergent!!!! and since its about genes and stuff, surely they have pressured them to create kids that be either fully or almost fully divergent to try and create more???? lmao
@@puttingmyphoneoncharge in the books it was explained that four wasn’t actually divergent. he had an awareness that combatted the serum (which other people had as well) but they just didn’t know that at the time.
One small detail that really irritates me is the fact that the factions’ naming conventions aren’t uniform: Abnegation, Amity and Candor are nouns while Dauntless and Erudite are adjectives.
This shouldn’t piss me off as much as it does…but it does.
This is, of course, barring the fact that segregating people based on personality (as though everyone just has one their entire lives) is absolutely braindead, and you could just picture Veronica Roth writing the books knowing full well that teenage girls will buy the books in droves then immediately take a Buzzfeed quiz for their faction while going “they just like me fr”.
Edit: one other thing I just remembered; Veronica Roth’s factions are a blatant attempt to leach off of the success of the Hunger Games yet somehow fails to achieve even that, because the districts in the Hunger Games make sense as each one specializes in a particular field or line of work; no human being specializes in one personality, that is impossible. Tris may have come from Abnegation, but if there was a faction called Whining, that’s where she’d belong.
TL;DR - Veronica Roth’s not a good storyteller.
She was 22. I don't blame her, I just blame the agent, publishing house and customers that made it the overrated success it was. There's a lot better scripts out there
i’m not sure if every copy has one, but in my copy of divergent there was quite literally a test you could take to see which faction you would be in haha
You're forgetting Harry Potter separating ppl into personality traits.
Obviously people don’t fit into one segment; this is a sci fi dystopian future where people behave very much like humans when it comes to seeking power but clearly they are different when it comes to specific personality traits and I assume genetic experimentation or whatever. Because… yeah duh? If it were humans we recognize there wouldn’t be a story?
Also you know what’s more brain dead than segregating people by personality traits? Segregating them by race. And yet.
To clarify I’m not even trying to defend the books themselves or whatever but the concept is interesting and more symbolic than just “haha girls are dumb to read and write this am I right?”
At the beginning of the book it is specified that the fearless faction has the most choosy faction requirements to get in, but they obviously also have the highest mortality rate. One of their own faction died at the train jumping ceremony. A person who has been doing this for at least a year died at the first task of jumping off a train, which they do every day.
Dylan’s just mad that he hasn’t finished his book in three years while she wrote it in three weeks
The book was written in THREE WEEKS?!
She WHAT
Well unlike the author of divergent, Dylan is actually taking his time to write a well thought out and interesting book with good writing.. Sorry that doesn't take 3 weeks?
Not the people replying before watching the video 💀
@@TabooTalz maybe u missed it, he mentions that at 4:40
This movie is literally just the maze runner and hunger games mixed together and was made in 3 weeks
I could be wrong, but I thought Divergent came out before The Maze Runner?
@@swordsmithing I know but like I’m saying that the maze runner was more thought out and was better written a
@@swordsmithing No maze runner was published in 2009 and divergent in 2011. So maze runnner was the first one. I don't know the order of the movies but since they are based on the books I think when the books were published matters more 😊
@@katrijnvnl8052 Oh okay, good to know. I never read Maze Runner and I always just assumed it was more recent..
@@Bkfvlms divergent was also well thought out? It came from a book. I like the movies and personally I enjoyed them more than the maze runner and hunger games. With the maze runner I don't even remember majority of what happened and I've watched All the movies and with the hunger games I fall asleep all the time trying to watch it.
I met veronica Roth in person in a Q and A session with dinner. I also bought her latest books (forgot their titles) and had them signed. I tried so hard to read them but gave up and then sold them on eBay for no profit cos I just wanted to get rid of them. I didn't read her divergent series either, I was just there to ask her about how to become a successful author. She didn't explain much, basically I chalked it down to luck. $300 for dinner and meet and greet and didnt even include the price of her books. I'm stupified. At least she seemed nice and complimented my dress
Some people's success is just written in the stars ✨
@@gothnerd887 They lucky sons a bitches.
The best thing about the 3 movies is the cast. Theo James has two successful tv shows right now, Miles Teller as Rooster in Top Gun Maverick is amazing, Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman in The Batman was phenomenal.
The rest of the cast featured Kate Winslet, Maqqie Q, Ashley Judd, Tony Goldwyn, Ray Stevenson and my fav Shailene Woodley. It's crazy the 4th movie wasn't made.
It wasn't made because the films kept making less and less money with each one.
I watched purely for miles
Had no idea Stevenson was in these movies and now I’m sad
As bad as Divergent movies were, all I can describe the movies as "Film series with a bunch of good looking people" 😂😂
@@Carlie.7 Same
*Dylan’s never gonna stop talking abt how his college closed down😂*
literally😭
Istg Lmao
It's in the Dylan lore we must remember it
To be honest I wouldn't either 😂
Ngl, imagine going to college and working hard just for it to close. Lol i'd be bitter too. plus its a fun run on joke
The whole concept of divergent is that one girl has a personality, but like she didn’t at the same time she’s literally the stereotypical brunette who has no personality whatsoever but the whole film is about her 😭😭
lol it's called a Mary Sue character, and I hate it so much. It really is not so hard to develop a character, especially the main one
She technically a dirty blonde
@@wildflower3873 come on mate, no need to shade the blondes, so rude!
@@mirame88 To be fair, while these books have some major issues, Tris being a Mary Sue (whatever that term even means at this point) wasn't one of them. She was actually a pretty well written character with a lot of flaws and growth.
@@swordsmithing Oh yeah I totally believe you (I haven't read the books). I was talking specifically about the Tris they made in the movies. I saw a lot of reviews saying that the character has been destroyed in the movies, when in the books she really is great :)
This is really ironic bc that's exactly how I read these books. I gradually slowed down until the 3rd book... and I got so bored I forgot for months and then didn't remember most of book 3 so gave up and read something better.
Couldn’t get through the first one and only some of these comments are helping my memory of what I did read. HG trilogy? Read in three days
The fact that she wrote the book in around 50 days (apparently that's what she said, so it wasn't exactly just over winter break) kind of explains some things for me. It's been a long time since I read the books, but I do remember really enjoying them. It was definitely well written, and the characters and general atmosphere/world were well-done. But when I think about it, there were always elements of the world and story that didn't altogether make sense, that I overlooked because I was invested in the characters and their experiences.
To me it really explains why the movies fell so flat for me. When I watched them, I came out feeling like it was somehow too faithful an adaptation. I think that the reason the books worked is because she is a good writer, but the movies couldn't capture that the same way because it's a different medium, so even though the movies were faithful to the story and world from the books, they came out feeling pretty bland by comparison.
You think she's a good writer 😅😅😄😄😃😃🤣🤣
@@Not_Always I admit, I was in High School when I read it, so I can't promise I'd have the exact same evaluation now.
But I feel like the ability to suck a person into the world and story, and continually keep them engaged, is a sign of being a good writer. And I think the fact that the books were so massively popular also helps corroborate that.
That's not to say she's amazing, or even that everyone has to like the writing. But I think writing can be a lot like music in that it can be good without it appealing to everyone. But just calling something bad writing or bad music simply because it doesn't click with you is a bit short-sighted and egocentric imo.
@@peterlewis2178 there are books that are objectively bad. It doesnt matter how engaged a person is. To say that writing is good because it was done quickly is kinda stupid. In short, this series was not well written and the world she created didnt make much sense. But if you like it, thats fine
I mean some people like 50 Shades. Its ok to like bad writing. Just understand that most people wont
@@Not_Always I wasn't saying that it was good because it was done quickly. I was saying the fact that the books were engaging means that they were well written. By that I mean that, despite the flaws the series had, she was a good writer, and her skill with writing carries the series.
Yeah, the world may not have made much sense, but that doesn't mean that the books were poorly written. It just means the worldbuilding was bad. There are a lot of qualities that make books good and bad, there's no single factor that determines if it's "good" or "bad" writing.
At the end of the day, if a book is able to be really engaging to a large audience, then that proves that it has elements of good writing. Maybe not exceptional, but good nonetheless.
I was just saying that she was clearly a good and engaging writer, and that made the books good and engaging to me when I read them. But, when looking back on it, and understanding the context of the time-span in which she wrote it, the flaws are a lot clearer.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t call them well written, even if I also read them in high school. I mean, I enjoyed the first book, confusing and boring at times but overall enjoyable, but I just had to leave the second one halfway through, because I could feel my sanity being stripped away from me with each unnecessary angst show off from Tris and Four, like when they fought and Tris decided to kill herself but was too emotionless (or didn’t have enough character development) to actually care to step off the edge. And the whole “Amity are drug addicts” felt so weird and unnecessary, like, I was willing to cope with it, but then it just kept getting weirder and weirder and I was just unable to keep up with the story because honestly, there was no story to keep up with. And yeah, to all that we have to add the fact that Tris and Four are too damn perfect. Like, dude only has 4 fears, and none of them are ever relevant. “I’m scared of hights” but he really isn’t, he literally never shows being scared when dealing with jumping off a building or anything else he does in the story. Again, if everything else was normal in the story I wouldn’t mind, but at this point everything was piling up and I just had enough. Veronica can be great with generating concepts, I will give her that, but to call Divergent well written is like calling a t-rex a german shepherd cause those two things are animals but not even slightly close to confuse them
compared to late night dylan’s budget, this is like a marvel movie
Omfggg 😂😂😂
👑Wandavision 👑
@@no763 ITS BEEN AGATHA ALL ALONGGGG
@@laurenrotsaert5369 AND I KILLED SPARKY TOO!
$15!! On wine? Oh he did NOT take me to this fine ass resort
Nobody:
Dylan at every chance he has: Guys my college SHUT DOWN!
So true 😭✋🏻
Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos bc I don't remember him saying anything about his school😭😭
@@diamondrobertson390 I’m pretty sure he said it in his last video, or a very recent one!!
@@salihafiaz1210 i think it was in his 'Rewatching Harry Potter' one
As someone also from WI, I'm always trying to figure out which college he's talking about lol.
When you think about it, it’s actually pretty impressive how good the book is considered it was written in 3 weeks
You stopping to kindly reassure the author is what earned my subscribe. You’re awesome dude
the amount of CONTENT us troublemakers are getting this week
for real i cant believe this
Most content we had in months
Its like Christmas: )
I LOVE IT
FR
it’s weird how this whole movies conflict is that tris has a personality and yet tris doesn’t really have much of a personality outside of “im the divergent”
3 week to write a book just wasn't enough I guess
@@theflashgordon193 yeah. You can't fully/properly build a world and complex characters in three weeks. IMO.
@@flawedsanity yeah...the origin for Four's name is like the dumbest thing. perhaps 4 weeks could have made it better.
Agreed
"I'm not like those other girls"
25:25 To be very generous, I think the idea (based on something you showed earlier where they described exactly how the genetic modification "went wrong") was that the gene-mods presented in hyper focus (those modded to be brave were brave to the determent of everything else, etc) so the factions were supposed to be like this kinda reverse psychology test. If you were divergent it meant that your genes "had fixed themselves" or whatever. Like, the whole thing was a set up just waiting for the first person to go "hey this all seems really dumb" and then they win I guess?
It’s a story that has now become infamous among Northwestern writers: Veronica Roth (Weinberg ’10) wrote her breakout novel “Divergent” over her senior year winter break, signed a three-book contract with HarperCollins by April and sold the movie rights to the novel just before graduation. The book went on to become a massive hit among young adults, eventually being turned into a film trilogy that generated over $750 million at the box office.
But Roth said it didn’t go exactly like that. After taking a light course load in the fall and completing her final papers early, Roth said she took about 50 days to write “Divergent.” She sent the rough draft to an agent she had previously spoken to (whom she found after Googling “how to get published by a big publisher”), who took interest in the piece and signed her. Roth then took another light course load in the spring so she could make revisions.
For the people arguing about how long it took her to write it and if that included revisions. People forget just how many YA movies came out and failed. It was like Vampires and zombies, then over night, they just all mostly went away. Shadow and bone is the only one that currently comes to mind.
Dylan’s version of divergent is 50 times better than the actual divergent.
Literally he was describing it and I was thinking wait that's not how I Remember it it wasn't that good
I haven’t seen divergent since it first came out and I legit believed Dylan’s explanation 😅
@@fridahan588 same like it seemed so good
he almost made me watch the last movie tbh
Any movie: cOLLeGe
Dylan: hEY gUyS dO yOu kNOw mY cOLLeGe LitErALLy wAs sHut DoWN
every time lol
Being reminded of this series again and hearing that "in a nutshell" explanation. The more connection I can making it to going in college.
i think what saved this movies, especially the first one, is the chemistry between four and trice. actors did a great job about that
it brings life to it tbh
Tris’ whole personality was: “I’m divergent”
Shes not like other girls
It's just a contradiction because the whole point of her being divergent is that she had all the different character traits of all the factions yet in the film she literally had the most bland personality out of all the characters 😂😂
She had all those personality traits and choose not to have a personality 😩
She's so unlikable.... Somebody be like "tris if you will do x we will all die 100%, there are better ways" and she be like "ok but I have a saviour complex and I will do x anyway idc".
Also, one of the main problem of her character is that she is (or should be) flawless since she genetically has only all the good traits, making her character unable to have a proper development arch in a way that is interesting and relatable to the public.
Years ago when I read the book I found her brother waaaay more interesting than her, at least he brought something to the tablet 😂
@@chiccaluminosa The brother came across to me as an example of the damaged genes they were talking about, he was smart, but only showed emotions around his sister.
She's just a normal human being. All the others are fucked up(by.. not being divergent enough)
Dylan whenever he gets the chance: "So I actually went to a scam college that recently closed for business"
That's his only weird flex. Don't tell anyone.
Is that true?
@@charin951 yes, he has shown the school multiple times
Wait what's the name of the school?
@@tesscrelli783 I live in WI, and I'm always so curious. No idea tho.
Dylan, I really appreciate this format, please do more :)
literally just finished re-reading this series and scrolled through your channel to find something to watch and saw this.... I am ready
It's literally a movie about a chick who's "not like other girls"
But then the plot twist is that she’s actually exactly like other girls, she was just living in a city of “not like other girls” lol
Is not that what most movie protagonists are? "The chosen one" lol
@@lea-sega you...really don't know about the "not like other x" meme do you?
Oh my god she’s totally the queen of “not like the other girls” 🤦🏻♀️
Right down to her pixie haircut (that she accomplished with some garden shears, no mirror and no known hair styling experience).
The author wrote Divergent in three weeks? Damn the fact that it's not completely terrible is honestly impressive.
That doesn't include editors fixing shit and her having to rewrite stuff
@@crayolaclouds2696 that’s still SUPER impressive
Ehhh. I don’t know. Most YA books are around 60k-80k words. All she had to do was write roughly 3k words a day.
@@tetewhyelle Divergent is 105,143 words so that would be 5,000 words a day i think
I mean they're good books but the premise it's basically Hunger Games with Hogwarts Houses
When I first read the first book, I LOVED it. It kinda reminded me of the hunger games which I also love. It started off very strong and had lots of potential but it kinda lost that potential in the second book. It moved really slow and I can barely remember the first part of the book. I liked the idea of the whole thing just being an experiment, but I hate how everything happened so fast and randomly. Like four breaks out of the compound after bed time, boom Uriahs dying. The whole thing could have been a lot better but just unnecessarily stretched out scenes, made some scenes feel too short, and a lot of the deaths felt unnecessary, to the point where I can’t even remember half of them.
I haven't seen this movie, but the way you sarcasticly describe using military intervention to kidnap children away from their homes and parents and forcing them into a "better society" has a really bitter taste when you consider how such actions have played out in real life. Like maybe they did a terrible job at portraying it in the movie or maybe I'm misreading the sarcasm but "medicine and longer/better lives" has historically been used in propaganda to excuse many cases of forced displacement. Forced displacement is a violation of the Geneva Convention according to Article 49 and is considered a war crime.
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Yea or taking children from homes because their parents can't afford basic necessities? Because they're poor, they don't deserve kids? Why not just helk the poor parents or in this case, help all the people outside the walls?
dylan explained this before, not about this movie, but he always separates fictional stories from the real world. all the fictional stories are just for entertainment, they're not real. that's why he jokes about it/ uses sarcasm because they're not real and he's a comedian that's his job.
@@sahasraveda4505I mean that sounds cool in theory but it is impossible. Fiction reflects reality. Without reality, there would be no fiction. Fictional stories don‘t exist in a vacuum, they exist IN REALITY.
Often times, fictional stories depict reality better than news reports etc do. It costs MILLIONS to make movies and all that, that sounds pretty real to me! Books, movies, series etc are made in the real world, with real money, real people and it is not possible to separate that and say that’s not real when everything involved IS real.
@@sahasraveda4505 It’s impossible to view fiction solely through fiction without influence from real life because the fiction is written by people who exist in real life. It will always hold elements of our reality because it’s the only one we understand.
Aliens in fiction are almost always humanoid because the writers of said fiction imprint their view of evolution/biology on theoretical forms of life. Characters may inexplicably have different accents despite sharing the same native language because the writer understands accents from the perspective of their own language.
Saying “Everything I say is for entertainment purposes only” and “don’t take me seriously, my job is to be funny” when analyzing content (ignoring however dubious the quality may be) is a defense made by incurious people who are afraid of polarizing themselves from their equally incurious community.
HAHA WHEN U WERE DESCRIBING THE FAKE PLOT WHERE FRIENDS HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FACTION OR FAMILY I LEGIT THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REAL PLOT CAUSE I HAVENT WATCHED IT IN SO LONG AND I WAS LIKE "hmmm... this is actually pretty good?" and then u went back to the real plot and I was shocked lmao
Tbh😂
Literally it would have improved the story so much 😅
Same, it's some Mandala effect shit because it made so much sense as he explained it and I was sure that it was the real plot
I was so confused 😂
I thought he was describing the second movie because I only watched the first one.
The fact that Veronica seems to think "In wrote it in 3 weeks" is something to brag about tells you everything you need to know about it.
like girl its supposed to take longer
exactly. what good book was written in 3 weeks? most books take months.
@@samcarmen some take years. And they're great. If your book takes three weeks-
The fact that it was even slightly readable and written in three weeks is kind of impressive. Not good but impressive.
I just want to appreciate that it took three weeks to become a millionaire though lol.
7:32 the candor serum actually didn’t work on her she told the truth because she wanted to. I’m not sure if they mention that in the movie, but it was definitely mentioned in the book.
I remember absolutely LOVING these movies when I was like 12. I tried watching them again last year (I'm 20 now) so nostalgia and I could barely get through the first movie
My sister described this movie perfectly:
“Theo James took off his shirt and it still almost was not enough for me to keep watching.”
LMAOOOO
bro i re-watched divergent the day after i previously watched it just for theo cause of how gorgeous he is
Baka hentai
💯💀🤣
*theo's movie*
Dylan: She's the protagonist, she can't die-
Me who has read the books and Dylan at the same time: *yet*
Man i was so mad at that ending thank god they aint make no movie
it fr RUINED me
Same!!!
I was not ready for that ending
i'd never cried at the end of a book before the divergent series
I think a big downfall for this series comes from the source material. I read the first book and loved it, it could've been a wonderful standalone! Then Insurgent was so boring it took me six months to finish, and I never read the third my mother told me it was that bad! Also, Divergent was clearly chasing the coattails of The Hunger Games' success, but had terrible worldbuilding and was too clearly a ripoff to be successful. I think the author wanted to be as revolutionary as The Hunger Games, but Divergent watered down the formula and wondered why it didn't succeed.
yess i think a big problem with the Insurgent book is that so much of it is just Tris and Four’s relationship problems… like all i remember from the book is that they fought all the time😭😭 if u asked me the plot of insurgent i wouldn’t be able to tell u
@@gabrielleisalanastan all i remember is four has daddy AND mommy issues. And a train ride, and maybe a can of peaches
@@malignantprose4828 omg i remember the peaches now
@@gabrielleisalanastan too much time was dedicated to canned food and mommy issues
I liked the first book (I was a teenager at the time), bougth the second and found it ok... And then I bougth the 3rd and I was like "What the f***ck?"
The fact that each character can pick whichever faction they want is inherently flawed. If a character's aptitude test shows that they align with abnegation but they end up choosing dauntless (which they're allowed to do) it shows that they have conflicting traits about them. Which makes them... divergent.
Choosing to present yourself as something doesn’t mean you truly ARE that something. While yeah it would be a bit weird to join a faction you weren’t aligned with, choosing to do so doesn’t magically make you Divergent. It just means you made an odd choice. You don’t have to have “conflicting traits” to make that choice - you could be making it to appease a relative, because you’re being smart/strategic, because you feel too pressured in your current faction, etc. For example, someone raised in Amity (to be peaceful) might want an edgier lifestyle and is recommended for Dauntless, but knows their family would be broken-hearted or shocked (or they worry that they themselves won’t succeed there), so they go for a “safer” option like Abnegation (rather than from one extreme to another).
That said, being a divergent in this case means a) you have very specific physical and health characteristics and b) you are equally dominant in several of these traits. It’s not about choosing factions, it’s about a physical and mental reaction to testing and medications.
They want to choose Gryffindor but the sorting mechanism attempts to put them in Slytherin..... What?
I was just explaining divergent to my friend who’s never heard about it and after I told her that there’s a test but then they get choose which faction they go into even though the test tell them what faction would be the best… my brain was like “hold up that don’t make no sense” I don’t get how I didn’t figure that out sooner when I was obsessed with the series.
Maybe it’s the illusion of choice
@@hollyscottage someone who is mentally unstable like Al would pick Dauntless because it's the easiest faction to die by suicide in with the weapons, chasm, and ziplining from the Hancock Building.
can we just agree that movie franchises need to stop splitting last books into two movies?
very true
or stop making trilogies i think that ruins the ending because the first is always the interesting "new' concept, then the second is expanding on that and the third always becomes more convoluted, complex, confusing, and kinda boring and more political and it tries to link the cool fun small idea to this now huge world of power overlords but they also have to overthrow it all in that same book that introduces that big evil. what results is a disappointing sorta-conclusion that ends somewhere almost irrelevant to what the first one was even about to begin with.
Agreed
eh i feel like it depends , you can’t always put everything into one movie from the books and if you don’t then fans will be upset certain things aren’t in the movie , so i get why it’s a thing.
Agreed
This breakdown of the series is golden. Pure golden. Every aspect of it.
24:26 - 24:45 YES my thoughts exactly!! 😖 I was thinking about it for both franchises too
“Shes the protagonist, she cant die...yet”
*internally screaming*
it’s the fact that i had to suffer while reading the last divergent book cause tris died and they ruined how the books were supposed to be and never give us a ending we needed
and yet he doesn't tell about it later on haha I was sure he's gonna mention it to say how the author didn't think shit through but he's kinda just like if you know you know and the rest is like what's the joke guys
Me when I was reading the books
The ONLY reason i haven't forgotten about this series is bc I think of how hot Theo james is occasionally.
That's the only reason I watched the movies cuz I hated the books otherwise
Same
Yes lol. He's gorgeous
This is me and I’m not ashamed of it
Absolutely
28:29 Kind of like Zoo. I loved that TV show. Season 1 was based on a book. It was a good stand alone story. But it was profitable, so they made a sequel. It also ended conclusively and they could have stopped. But they kept going because more money (at this point it is clear they planned a couple seasons forward). So they ended season 3 on the single largest cliffhanger I have ever seen, and canceled the show.
This series has some good ideas and had potential to be better. Roth should have put more time into it. I feel like a lot of fans of the series were using it to pass the time between Hunger Games movies and lost interest once The Hunger Games was done.
The books, Roth made it up as she went along and didn't put enough thought into why the world is set up the way it is or what being divergent means. Divergent originally meant having traits of more than one faction but that was flawed because a lot of characters are written with traits of more than one faction, so it was retconned to be a specific genetic marker that defines divergence. and Roth had no idea where to go with the story once they left the city. The explanations given for everything was so ridiculous, it would have been better to just not have a third book and let fan fic writers give us a multiple choice ending. The city was set up to create divergents, then why in all seven hells is it set up to keep people separated by their genetic defects? the faction system is the opposite of what the experiment is supposed to be trying to achieve! why not set up a system that encourages divergence! and them declaring Tris a success of the experiment when actually her mom came from outside. so she inherited genes from a normal human and you declare it success in breeding out the damaged traits? that's like doing that experiment that is supposed to turn sugar into a crystal, putting. crystal in, and declaring it a success.
also, Four is a stupid name. I never called him that, I always called him Tobias.
SPOILER ALERT Tris dying in the end. I'm not opposed to the main character dying, the problem I have is the rest of the story played out the same way it would if she lived. In contrast, when Prim died in The Hunger Games, it affected the plot. It affected Katniss' choices going forward about her friendship with Gale and about killing Coin. Tris' death affected nothing in the outcome of the story.
as for the movies, the studio execs clearly didn't even read the books. they decided to do what all the cool franchises were doing and split the last one in two with no thought to the consequences! turned out, there wasn't enough story to split in two. The fourth movie would have ended up being mostly original material, they wound up covering most of the book in one movie. I'm not sure what the plot of the forth one was going to be.
"She can't die, she's the protagonist, she can't die... Yet" On point
When the protagonist dies i laugh and smile, as the antagonist usually has the funner stuff.
dude anyone who has read the books would know-
@@brielleraitz2254 I’ll be honest, I didn’t finish the last book. It was too boring. So I know Tris dies but - how does she die? I don’t actually know
@@kellywolstenholme8134 its been so long i dont remember it very well but basically she saved everyone and died lol idk man its just bad
@@kellywolstenholme8134 She survives a death serum that David put into a room where she could stop the memory wiping serum that would affect Chicago and then she gets shot by him a few minutes later
let’s be honest guys. the first movie was great, the others were trash.
YUPP
facts
its because they changed directors 😫ill never forgive them because insurgent was my favorite book but they butchered the movie so badly
Same with the books 🥺
@@Laura-xm5zu I would say the second one was still good.
Dylan can we PLEASE get more Beer and a Movie videos??? I love these!
The line: "its almost christmas, winter break is almost over", made me chuckle, because my winterbreak starts december 23rd
honestly i have so much respect for Veronica Roth like she really just wrote a bare bones book in three weeks, piggybacking off the success of the hunger games, gave it to an audience she knew would eat it up, and then made absolute bank off it. legend
edit: thanks for reminding me of her name
Veronica Roth
exactly !
I suppose she was pretty smart for making such good money, but at the same time I think people should be making their success by coming up with something new and individual to them, not by "piggybacking" off the success of other people's writing.
Her name is Veronica Roth
Hum...she did made a bunch of books since then. She probably improved, can anyone tell me what book from hers are actually good?
i’m in class but this is more important
same
yup
Exactly
im in science and I have a test but Dylan posted so
Yes
how did i read this book and love it so much like i was obsessed yet i had absolutely no idea any of this world-making plot
This guy has made me laugh more than anyone this week😂😂 I needed that.
I think we forgot about divergent because it literally falls into the whole “teen girl has to save a dystopian society” trope that became popular with the hunger games it’s literally like the author of Divergent asked the author of the hunger games for her homework and the hunger games author told her ok but don’t copy it all the way change a few answers
EDIT: oh wow thanks everyone for the likes :)
I think the issue with the dystopian fad in the YA genre is how it disassociates the reader from the world it presents. Teens may enter thinking about how cool it'd be to be a badass heroine in such a crapsack society but after a while they become bored with it, recognizing nothing from themselves or their friends in any of the characters. That's conversely why Harry Potter was so successful-the boarding school environment made it ever so relatable all the way through, despite having ample fantasy elements in it.
divergent only became popular entirely because of the hunger games leading the rise of the dystopian genre.
@Not Another Minute not really but I get what you mean
@Not Another Minute diveregtn is nothing like hunger agmes expect for the factions and district group
Not to mention Hungry Games was already a copy cat of Battle Royale
Dylan shoving the fact that his college doesn’t exist anymore into every video is the funniest thing
he's so mad about it lollll
@@SmokeyFiizz Id be too lmao, get those pitty points fuck it
His biggest flex honestly. I don’t know many people whose colleges have vanished.
@@adamlambboy8332 my dad's did, and he's been pissed ever since.
@@roseyoung44question: if your college vanished would your student debt disappear
This channel was a joy to discover
I’ve seen all the movies and literally never knew the plot hahaha I was so shocked when you started explaining it!
I just couldn't get over shailene Woodley having three movie boyfriends in one movie
same omg
omg that one scene in insurgent where it was shailene n the boyfriends all together lmao
Was she in real life with 3 of them or in the movie?
@@daenidragon3793
In 3 different movies. Caleb is Gus from fault in our stars. Peter is Sudder from spectacular now. And four is four.
Okay- I just read your comment and burst out laughing!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are too right. Wasn't one of them her BROTHER in one other film?? So he's been her brother in a film and a boyfriend in another?? ( It's been a while since I watched any if these☺)
Divergent is basically if you take the Hunger Games, but then you take out excellent social commentary, interesting characters, wonderful world building, and an actual sense of caring for content over profit
Don't forget a splash of Harry Potter in that mix
To be fair, Divergent has made me appreciate The Hunger Games way more than I did initially. That was an actually well written story for the most part. But this... yikes.
While the Hunger Games is Battle Royale with romance and less blood
Yesssss
I like Divergent more than The Hunger Games!
I am willing to argue that The Hunger Games have a great story outside of the games. You actually made me gasp on that one.
Outstanding! Well done
Me: has read the whole divergent trilogy, and read the first book several times.
Also me when Dylan explained the lore of the divergent universe: WHEN DID ANY OF THIS HAPPEN?
same i’m so confused how i can remember that i read the books but i can’t remember anything from them
I mean there are novellas so I guess it was talked about a bit more in those books instead of the main book series
Same here
lol SAME
omg SAME i was like, did I even read them properly ???
The book could have literally been about a child born Fractionless and how they survive and their choosing ceremony, etc. Because you NEVER see any Fractionless children- they could be taken away at birth and given to families, but what if they manage to hide a child and raise it as this Fractionless activist? Someone who tries to break the barriers and stigma around it. You could still have oppressive government, minority groups, revolution, etc with a much more interesting character.
Once you choose a different fraction you can not go back to your original one and if you don’t rank up at your new fraction, you become part of the fractionless. I guess that’s why there are no fractionless children, I don’t think the fractionless would even want children, they’re basically homeless
oh crap is it fractionless? this whole time I've been thinking it's factionless lmao
@@justarandomnobody374 nope it is factionless haha it was probs a typo
@@justarandomnobody374 no your right it’s not fraction lmao
@@zeezee6809 honestly I don't think being homeless would stop them from having children. There are lots of poor people in this world who are still having children. And some of the fractionless are young and I doubt they live under celibate for their whole lives. They also probably don't really have access to birth control so.. yeah I think there should be a lot more children that are born fractionless
I just found this video and it took me to those days when I was a book blogger and the books were being released. Something that also ruined the movies was the ending of the final book. I remember the whole book community HATED the ending.
Thank you for helping me explain this series.. cuz i kept fing that up lol
“Dylan: “I wanted to ring in the new year with wine”
Me: Dylan it’s almost March
Lunar New Year
I thought that I just didn’t see the video for almost two months
That wine made him lose sense of time for two whole months... I'm invested.
i literally said the same thing lmaooo
One thing I love about Dylan is how well-spoken he is. He just really has a way to phrase his words that is so eloquent and as a viewer you can always keep up with him and understand what he’s explaining. All of Dylan’s word choices are amazing and intelligent
Couldnt have put it better myself
I agree 👌
I agree from the guy who's college shut down it's unbelievable.😂😂
yeah. and i think the metaphor with the painting in the house is spot on
😂😂True
Me and my friends read the series this year. We’ll probably never forget about it.
I've never watched your content before, but I think I'm a fan after this! I like how you call out the badly written things out and make jokes, but at the same time you're not going too far and you aren't being a jerk about the author.
im really just waiting for the day when Dylan paints those chair legs green and edits it out so its just him and his beverage floating in front of movies
This is such a good idea
I will NEVER forget that terrible epilogue called "we can be mended", where Four ended up with Christina. The more Veronica Roth wrote about Divergent, the more she fucked up.
I had to check the summary since I really thought you were lying, but that really is how it ended. Wow.
I also wanted to highlight this piece of writing from the summary I found:
"Tris miraculously survives the death serum and opposite-of-miraculously dies when David shoots her"
The frick! Was that in the book Four or in Allegiant’s book?
what
i read it all, did I repress that memory?!
@@keetinlong6330 In none actually. It was a separate short story.
@@gmdsousa3997 huh. Didn’t hear about the story at all.
I remember reading the first book and not minding it but being weirded out that apparently the smart faction was evil. I didn't like the story well enough to read the next book so I have no idea how that played out in the series. I just remember seeing hints of 'nerds, but EVIL" and finding it rather strange.
Having really enjoyed it, I tried to summarize divergent in a few sentences like you did with Hunger Games. I found, umm and question marks highly accurate.