Why the Divergent Series Went Down the Toilet
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My woke hot take is that Divergent should have been a standalone novel and not a trilogy
YES!!!! I liked the first book and thought what a good stand alone it would have made. Especially after reading the second and hating it so much!!
I have always just thought of it as a stand alone. Even the movies. Only watched the first one, because both book and movie has a nice rap up and didn't need a sequel.
Preach.
Its open ended but closed enough that you can just read it and imagine what happens
It’s should’ve been a duology
Jennifer Bahena Ehhh I mean insurgent kind of sucked
i didn’t even notice that the last film never even came out....
Same asf
Serves them right
I was just thinking the same thing... had to google to remind myself. I really enjoyed the books as well. But the films were not good.
I forgot about it tbh
No one did. That's actually funny!
Ah yes the five core human archetypes:
-Jock
-Nerd
-Legal studies major
-Farmer
-Anime hand holding
This is like if the five people from the breakfast club made a society
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lol
Also there is also the "Girl", a character who's only characteristic is being a girl (usually seen when all the other characters are male)
@@geegeep lol
Me: Mom can we have Hunger Games?
Mom: We have Hunger Games at home
Hunger Games at Home:
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😂😂😂😂
@@richardgray9089 wtf 😶
@@Requiem-kg6te what was ur favorite scene?
I'm so annoyed by that meme comment by now.
When twilight came out I wrote "team Edward" on my face and went like that to the theater. Not my proudest moment.
😭 wait how old were you?
Dvnní Xo oh I was like 11 or 12 so still a child 😂
OMG I got punched in the face in school for saying I thought Edward's nippels looked weird
@@felicia5395 lol
😂😂😂
the author said in an interview that she let Tris die because she wanted the ending to be different from The Hunger Games.. that really blew it for me
Sunday shoes - Yup. You've heard it here. The entire motivation for your trilogy's ending:
"Um, in this one book, the um- the protagonist? Yeah, they live, and I don't want to be a copy cat, so my character? Yeah, my- my character has to die."
Like, if simply having your protagonist live in the end is enough to make your series too similar to another, I think you're kinda there already... Literally endless things a living person could do, and none of them would set your story apart from The Hunger Games? You need to do a lot more editing to fix your problem, then... Diverging, if you will.
God is it true ? I'm puzzled. It's not supposed to be your only motivation when killing a character ffs
That seems to be a trend in recent years, to decide the direction/ending of a story not based on what comes naturally to this specific plot, but only based on how to subvert reader's expectations/be different from other works, even if it doesn't work at all for that specific story.
I also remember vividly a comparison with Harry Potter, along of the lines of sacrifice and everything???? And basically how Tris had to die lmao where Harry didn't truly die and maybe it would have made more sense/been more tragic if he did???? And, already hating Allegiant, I went like bye,,,,, A main character doesn't have to die for an ending to be more powerful or make sense
Oh shit
Prim's death felt so painful because she was literally Katniss's only reason to begin a revolution in the first place. She took Prim's place in the hunger games to save her, which ended up evolving into something enormous and kind of unexpected for her, but even then, despite her best efforts, Prim died and she couldn't do anything about it. For Katniss, Prim was the most important thing in the world, above the revolution and her own life. And still, Prim was the one thing that she really couldn't save.
For me it felt so unnecessary
We aren’t talking about hunger games-
WAIT WAIT PRIM DIES??
@@confettiveda2460 oh sweet child
Not sure how this fits in this video, but yes I really agree with you, prim’s death is the saddest and worst thing to happen to Katniss
One of my favorite things about the movie was that Tris was super tall and model-like but in the book she’s supposed to look like a child because she’s so short
Yeah I was confused by that 😂
True, tris said in the book that she had a child's body Lol
In the movie's defense, that makes her relationship with Four a little less paedophilic, you know?
@@ihavelemonade5640 I guess that’s fair, the dynamic probably shouldn’t have ever been written that way in the first place and they could’ve just made them both teens and then it would’ve just been way better
and Christina is tall in the book but in the movies is short
Ok, but can we all agree that Tris’ brother SUCKS? He has no character, no motivation for his actions, he kept changing his mind without any reason etc.
the thing that really drives me nuts about the last book is the author could have made him somewhat ok when she gave him a chance to sacrifice himself.....but then that opportunity just goes to Tris because she's "special"
UGH I couldn't stand him. I just remembered that this must be why I used to implicitly dislike/distrust Ansel Elgort oops
Tbh I find this with all the characters. Do yall remember that scene when they make fun of Tris nose like WhAT
He was so bland like straight up I guess that’s kinda the point of him but he did absolutely nothing
mathilde mykløy You mean... caleb 😂
guys imagine being kind, friendly, smart, brave, and honest ALL AT THE SAME TIME
WHOA WHAT A CONCEPT
Impossible. Only choose one.
WHAT?!?!
Impossible. Settle for one like the rest of us
I’m pretty sure the big reveal was that Divergents are the real normal humans and everyone else is just that one characteristic because SCIENCE.
i read the entire series, even four, and i just feel divergent just should’ve been the first book and the first book only, the fighting and the leaving the city kind of ruined it. she lost all storyline and it was just them destroying an evil government. the only interesting parts of the books were really the training in factions and how they worked, it also started to remind me of the maze runner, two completely different series & those storylines should not clash.
edited: i reread the series and i appreciate divergent and insurgent more now. allegiant ruined it.
I agree it should’ve been a stand alone novel. It would’ve been remembered much better that way.
@@owen3721 true
I feel like the second they showed us a world outside of the factions it went downhill. And then they had that scene in a lot of YA where the mom comes back in ghost form just to tell you that all the characters who got brutally murdered are happy in heaven.
I loved Divergent and four the divergent collection loved it. Insurgent was the worst.
S Begum i do agree, but i would say allegiant was the worse. i do agree with your opinion though.
I remember preordering Allegiant on my e-reader so I could start reading it as soon as I woke up on the day it was released (I was so excited). The first thing I saw was "Chapter 1: Tris" and my first thought was "oh, they're doing alternating viewpoints in this book, that's weird. the only reason they'd change it up and do alternating first person viewpoints is if Tris dies." And then my second thought was "no, they wouldn't do that, that would be stupid."
........ Imagine my reaction upon finishing the book.
I was right. It was stupid.
I know right
yeah, honestly I hated it. Not that she died, but that it felt like a pointless death. There was no build up or anything. It didn't make sense to the plot, unlike for example the deaths in harry potter or the hunger games. It felt like terrible 'surprise writing' and just ruined it for me. Personally I enjoy rereading and watching the first movie/book for comfort (it's nostalgic for me, kinda the same with the first twilight movie and all the books) but I can't go further than that.
I'm okay with main characters dying, but it has to make sense for the story, Tris died because the author tried to be edgy and different from THG, that's it.
On the side note, I thought Katniss was going to die at some point. Homegirl has been stabbed, burned and stifled ten thousand times
@@jadescalet1639 What about Peeta? They went through some nasty shit on the books...
@@Cinna316 we don't talk about that...
Youdumbhoe I had to look this up when i had finished the book. The author had decided to kill tris because she had toyed with death in each book. When she finally wanted to live but still risked her life, it wouldnt have made sense to keep her alive.
@@jadescalet1639 I never finished Hunger Games.
Lowkey, Katniss didn't die????
I'm shook.
lmaoo why does the footage for the third film looks like spy kids
Spy kids 3D had better cgi than this 😂
you dare disrespect Spy Kids in that manner??
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@Speckled Legs have fun with that, it's really an inspiring story
Don't do spy kids bad xD
i remember my high school graduation where my principal said we were all dauntless in her speech and i wanted to die
oh no...
Maybe she was just using the adjective and not the faction???
@@luuuuux_ no she was definitely referencing the books
@@midnighthope7752 oh, dear. I feel bad for you guys.
@@midnighthope7752 That's rough buddy.
I’m dead when i was in early high school my mom bought me the first book because one of our family friends liked it and she literally told me “she said it’s kind of like the hunger games” 🤣 it’s literally it’s only selling point
OMG, seriously. I remember people saying, "it's like The Hunger Games, just minus the fighting." Like, that's not enough to convince me my dude. 😂
PLEASE that's exactly how my parents convinced me to read divergent was telling me it was "similar to hunger games"
Basically what it was known for lmao
Well, hunger games also started out like that too “it’s similar to battle royale” (not Fortnite the movie/book)
@@divergentxmen283 absolutely no one said that lmao
I remember going to Wattpad searching for a better ending to Allegiant lol
I remember finding a better ending on fanfiction.net and being so happy
bro i wrote one of those on wattpad as soon as i finished allegiant
i remember this girl i used to follow on instagram wrote like 40 chapters worth of a different ending that was actually satisfying but i don’t remember how it actually ended
Literally me with 'One of Us is Lying' omg-
m_eta_morpheus -I had an interesting conversation with one of my friends about the Divergent series, and when we talked about the ending... well... we didn’t know if we didn’t like the ending or if we didn’t like the whole third book.
We concluded that the ending could have been amazing (in a tragic way) if the third book didn’t feel like a rehash of the first.
I don’t think I could come up with a better third book concept, but I understand all of you when you need something better for an ending. Tris’ death just didn’t have the right kind of impact for what the third book was about and who the villains were (and how they were developed).
Oi, I think I could ramble all day about these things. Lol.
“It sorta felt like we took the actors from the first movie and then tried to make a different movie”
Did you mean: The fault in Our Stars
When I read this he said it.
Kelsey Partridge The actor who plays tris literally dates her brother , her enemy and the leader hahah in other films
Kelsey Partridge HAHAHHHA
Did you mean: Pretty Little Liars
The fault in our stars AND
The spectacular now😂😂
22:41 that is WITHOUT A DOUBT one of the transition edit options on Windows Movie Maker called "shatter"
Lmaooo you made me open my hp 10 i hadnt touched in years to check
nunya business And is it?
Legit thought the same thing
Divergent is just like "Eugenics is okay, actually"
🤣
Yeah having your whole trilogy culminate in eugenics was uh...a bold choice
Wasn’t the ending literally “the edited genes that make people violent are bad? N-nuh uh! That’s racist!!”
It’s genuinely disgusting
If you remember the Four spin off novella you deserve a veterans discount.
It was ass and noth8ng happened
bruh that was so fucking ass he sounded like some robot and they only showed the crappy scenes (i think they had the kissing scene though but im pretty sure that sucked too)
Turtle Anton Fr
its literally on my bookshelf lmao oof
I rented the ebook for a little bit... I remember NOTHING
Early 2010’s was dystopian sci-fi teen romance craziness
This comment sums up my teen years tbh
Those were the good old days 😢
+Mary J-In a way, it's a mutated progression of the love triangle that was perpetrated by Twilight. And I may be too "old" for this, but for the dystopian series, I just can never understand why these teenagers, who are repeatedly put in life and death situations, where often the entire world as they know has been upended and annihilated-the Apocalypse has come and gone and often much of their own families have been upended and killed in the process-and SOMEHOW, they still have time and hormones to pine after the two equally hot boys (or girls but mostly boys. . .) and is indecisive over which hot boy they should choose. .. Give me a break. . .
And arguably, I don't think that slapped me in the face so blatantly as with The 5th Wave. Aliens have decimated billions of human lives. Cassie's mom was killed by an alien virus to where she watched her own mother slowly die. . .Cassie's father was murdered by a militant cult and that militant cult took her brother away to where she's not even sure if her brother is even still alive. Then the plot LITERALLY STOPS when she's injured and rescued by a charming, oh so super hot guy who tends to her and cares for her. A guy who turns out to be a host alien. . .shock. . .When she pines and trembles for this super hot guy she barely even knows while. . .she is supposed to find out whether her brother is even alive. (And it turns out he's being groomed and turned into a child solider for that cult. . .) Meanwhile that super hot guy she pined for in high school is still alive.. . and. . .naturally. . .she will meet up with him later and she will endlessly pine and moan over which super hot guy she should pick. . .
The book had so much potential, an actual difficult survival story, but once the plot LITERALLY STOPS when Cassie is being tenderly treated and caressed by the hot (alien) guy. . .I just gave up. . .Same bullshit, same rancid vomit I don't want to deal with anymore. . .
Fera Flauna I agree, I had to read that for English and I got pretty far but as soon as she met the guy (I forget his name) I literally could not finish it and ended up having to listen to the audiobook in the background while I did other stuff
Emma Brook-If you care, his name is Tobias. Or Four if you'd rather. Per Divergent's tradition, every name has to be bafflingly convoluted. (Tris is short for Beatrice. . .okay. . .) He is supposed to be trained as a merciless killer, finehorned and sharpened by the cruelest teachers, or something stupid like that. . .until he falls madly, deeply in love with Tris. . .
Same thing happens in The 5th Wave. Evan Walker, or the alien that took over Evan Walker's body, is a parasite that invaded his host's body when the boy was still a toddler. Basically, the aliens have "sleeper agents" where the parasites wake up from a dormant sleep, kill their host, and take over their host's body and have all their host's previous memories. Evan is 18 years old, still a teenager (body wise), so I don't have to mention how f'ing stupid that is that the aliens dropped the parasites into bodies to be woken up once the hosts reach teenage years. With a teenage body and the remains of a teenage mind, the parasites would still have to effectively go through puberty and raging hormones to where several of them. . .probably will turn coat once they discover another pretty young thing that lands their way. . .(Hey, worked for Benedict Arnold. . .He was an American spy who turned British. . .after a beautiful woman convinced him to. . .So yeah. . .one of the most infamous traitors. . .did so because he wanted to score. . .Typical. . .)
Like Four/Tobias, Evan was born and groomed into a merciless, cold, remorseless killer. . .until he comes across a pretty teenage girl who he suddenly has the hots for. . .And somehow, despite being an alien and a born killer, he knows how to bathe, treat, and nurse a sick/injured teenager back to health. . .Give me a fucking break. . .
Dunno one of my personal opinion that it went trash was because Tobias decided to kiss his dead girlfriend's best friend, because he now only realized he was attracted to Christina because he was so absorbed with tris. I mean dude that's messed up
I vaguely even remember his relationship with tris but I remember them fighting about each other’s safety? He was rather possessive because all he wanted was her to stay alive because he was supposedly “in love with her” but after everything you just mentioned it seems their whole relationship was built off of nothing.
Wait that happened I don’t even remember
@@icantthinkofadecentnamemyd2869 in the books they were bestfriends in the end, I don't remember reading anything about them getting together so idk ab that
@@ajgjngfthyfbk7564 yes, they get married in a short story at the end of FOUR. It was so weird.
I don't treat this as canon....
The entire Divergent Series just boiled down to eugenics at the end.
Hunger games fans: we dont talk about what happened to prim.
Pervy jackson fans: we dont talk about the film adaptaions.
Divergent fans: we dont talk about anything but the first book.
Edit: So, i realised i spelt Percy as Pervy, butttttttt, im not gonna change it coz its funny tbh
Bella Crafts 😂😂
Because that was the only good book in the series 😭😭😂😂
You spelled it Pervy 😂
pervy Jackson..... I'm dying 😂😂😂
@@keiishine omg i didnt even notice that lol 😂😂
My favourite series: Detergent, Insurance, Allergic, Asshat
nuclear shorts Asshat = ?
Four?
The fourth one is 'Ascendant'
there was a fourth one???
w h a t?
The third one was split into two
I respect Veronica's hustle. Wasn't she in college when she wrote that? What a good use of SAT words. Imagine not needing to find a job while doing your final exams!
I heard that she wrote it in 2 weeks, and as bad as it is, get that bag ig
@@taylorhastie1022this is proof you don't need to be good to succeed in life with the right marketing. Not sure how she managed to get it uploaded tbh
@@eeg-rh7jvI mean, if "After" or "Fifty Shades" series were not enough proof...
@@blurryeyes316 And also Sssniperwolf
To quote a friend "the divergent series was fun to read but I could never read it again." And I agree. I think the first book was good but it went downhill and I don't wanna touch it now lol
The contrast between the first book and the second book is so jarring. I remember as a 12 year old being GLUED to the pages of Divergent and reading it in days and then I literally could not get through Insurgent
Pics of the divergent shirt or it didn’t happen
Ava's Reads lmaooooooo😂😂😂😂 tbh!!!
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he wishes it didn't happen
@@creepyradiohead lol
Ava's Reads - If that's the case, he's probably buried that shirt, by now.
Theo James may be irrelevant but he still FINE
Amen
Very much so, I watched insurgent exclusively because Theo James was extremely handsome.
PyroShayNiac honestly same ☠️
jaziybabe he’s mine
Tiff Prendergast you can have him...as long as you are ok with me deeply appreciating his hotness 😘
my favorite thing about divergent was the lack of a love triangle and then at the end of allegiant (book), four ended up with tris’ best friend for no reason. why??? why
Christina was my favorite character because she was really cool for some reason. Why did she have to end up with four of all people? Boring, bland four? Why?
Four was there just to be a love interest nothing more. He was as bland as boxed pancakes with no syrup.
@@londonfleurina2388 this analogy sent me. I’m like Tris now.
@@luuuuux_ lol. dead?
@@londonfleurina2388 yes 😔
They missed the opportunity to call the three books Divergent, Convergent, and Transform.
The third one is called Convergent (well, the Portuguese word for that Convergnte) in Brazil, because there is no translation for Allegiant that keeps the rhyming of "ent/ant" in the end...
Wow!!!
tfw tectonic plate boundaries interact in a ya novel
Ok that's clever
Divergent is just the Hunger Games with Hogwarts houses
Exactly, except the houses are kinda one dimensional and stupid
GiuliaSlade lowkey hogwarts houses
GiuliaSlade So it’s basically Hogwarts Houses
And bad.....
cerulean 14 year old me would have been TRIGGERED by this but like. you right
I read the entire Divergent series. After than a few scenes from the first book, everything was a blur.
The next two books were: girl gets over wall, girl finds another evil government, girl wipes everyone memories, girl dies. Boy friend cries.
I’m serious, that’s all.
I don't remember anything that occured in these books 💀💀
All I remember is there was this guy who was gay for Tori's brother. That's it. That's the whole series for me.
I never read the last book. I barely remember the second one but I do remember the parts towards end when they climb the walls and basically four is a ‘broken’ person and just an anomaly compared to tris DNA and I just felt that the story plot was slowly falling so I never bothered reading the last book 😅😅😂
D.B. Cooper wait i thought toris brother died
@@sunglasses2186 He wanted to sacrifice himself, but at the last second Tris was like:"you are too much of a loser" and took his place.
when you started talking about your divergent shirt I WAS DONE HAHAHAHAH
And yet it's still not as bad as the Percy Jackson movies.
Okay but at least Percy Jackson had Lady Gaga
And at least Percy Jackson has Luke Castellan telling people to get off his roof.
Percy Jackson at least had that "this is a pen" scene which was lowkey funny
At least noting could be worse than the last air bender movie.
At least the books were actually good lol
I honestly thought Alleigent was a fever dream I had
I can't 😂
I didn’t realise they had actually made the movie
I forgot about ascendant tbh
Vicky Chamberlain no literally though lol
SAME
Can we also mention the fact Uriah was the best character and he barely got screen time in the films 🙄🙄🙄
Thank you for saying this! Uriah was the bessst
I don't think he was even mentioned in the first movie and he was such a big character
Honestly he was the best character
Yep
Thank you!!! Finally someone said it
you know you've written a book when an entire fandom of used to be hardcore fans don't even remember the plot of the books
A what book?
Easily one of the books of all time
Forreal lmao. I can't remember the plot of Divergent while I still get sad at Rue's death in Hunger Games.
Imagine writing a book
Also can we acknowledge that the book had a low key eugenicist plot? It's been a while since I've read it, and it was only once, but I remember being astonished by the comparison, and the assertion that genes are responsible for traits... like that's eugenicist ideology, hun.
hunger games and divergent inspired my 13-14 year old self to write my own dystopic trilogy. it was a combination of divergent and 1984. It was very cringy, but good times were had
that's pretty impressive though, even if it wasn't that good. did you get it published?
Wait, did you actually end the trilogy? Cool.
I’m currently 14 and writing a dystopian x sci-fi story, but I’ve researched into writing and the genre’s tropes to make sure it’s at least decent. Probably has a better ending than Allegiant though.
Moon-Vo!d
What’s your story about?
@@synflwr Yeah I'm trying to write one aswell but its mainly just a altered carbon fanfic
i'm a simple woman. i see caleb dragging someone. i click.
Preech!!!
lmaoo 😂
I hated four, he was like the insert male love interest and was so plain
he was just nice to look at. nothing more nothing less
I hated him so much it's not funny. I fucking hated the guy, and I don't even remember why.
@Rida KOTWAL in my opinion i couldn't even tell if we were reading Tris or Four's pov. It all got blurred toward the middle, then Tris died. The end.
@@londonfleurina2388 Right? No wonder they are together, they think exactly the same as each other!
“The Hunger Games is a really unique concept”
Battle Royale: “Am I a joke to you?”
The concept of the hunger games, as in the event itself, was not original but the whole series itself including the dystopian world and the characters were unique compared to most other YA characters. Katniss is no hero, she was more of a brave but simple character who is just trying to survive and gets involved in all the politics and propaganda to the point where she was not even in control of her own life. I think Hunger Games series is very good because of this. She was never a saviour. She felt very real.
Still...Battle Royale was a better film than Hunger Games.
Lol
@@saya1720_ i mean....Facts😳 (the books r fucking brilliant tho lool)
Or The Long Walk. Or Running Man. Hell, all those books are really just Lord of the Flies with a reality TV show element, or The Lottery but on a much larger scale. It's not a particularly innovative concept.
phases of the divergent movies:
1. fall in love with the first movie because of the level of production and how they followed the book plot very closely
2. have high hopes for the second movie because the first one was so good
3. leave the theater disappointed
4. hate watch allegiant part 1
5. leave the theater angry
6. watch all of the hunger games movies again
Insurgent wasnt that bad but Allegiant was dumpster fire
can confirm all 6 steps 😂😂
Omg frrrrr after I read we can be mended by Veronica Roth I rewatched all the hunger games to make myself feel better I hate Christina she really did tris dirty 🤬 I’m not a fan of the divergent series any more for sure
honestly the first movie was good and the second was 50/50 and the last was just plain bad i was just spit by facts and my mind was like dont process this its not worth it.
I went from 1, to 2, skipped to 5, and then 6.
That fight scene was disney channel quality
Smoosh Goo , this is the best insult you can use for a cinematic action scene
Smoosh Goo nah, more like a direct to dvd Disney sequel lmaooo
Hey, the fight scenes in Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior were actually fantastic. Wires and all.
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To be fair they spent the entire budget on Tris trying to stab Peter with a knife earlier in the movie
The first movie was actually so good the rest was just📉
@@williams322 I’m currently reading the 1st book and so far I know it matches the movie
I genuinely liked the divergent series books, I loved the narrative and story, and even though I was didn't want Tris to die, I understood it. I also loved the first divergent movie, it really brought the world to life. But Insurgent and Allegiant were the worst, I hated how far away they strayed from the books, allegiant especially. I wish the directors wouldn't be such cashgrabbers but just make a story to that fits within the story of the book.
I can understand that having the hero actually die for a good cause, can help people learn that even heroes aren't invincible, that even they, the heroes, can still make a huge impact. Not all heroes win, sometimes, the heroes, even in the face of death be heroes because they did the right thing even in death.
@@livmashupmansen191 yesss!! Imo one of the only good parts of allegiant was the fact that tris had to die for them to win. It was such bittersweet ending.
The singular comment that isn’t trashing Divergent 😭😭
I feel like Veronica Roth heard everyone saying she was copying The Hunger Games, so she killed Tris to try and deviate from that as much as possible. Maybe she should have tried....actually being original. What a concept
bippity boppity omg spoiler alert *surprised pikachu*
Actually, I think she wanted to kill Tris from the very beginning because she thought that killing a main character was cool. I remember she saying something about how Harry Potter could have been better if Harry die in the end. So she planned to kill her from the beginning, not for the plot, not because it meant something but because she thought it was so 'original' to do that. So yeah you are kinda of right
Funny since hunger games is a rip off of battle royale 😂
Lol
Fox Spirals shut the fuck up with this shit
the characters were so bland, the arguing between tris and tobias was so immature. the only personality i saw was Uriah, who was the comic relief
and they kill him really says something lmao
And the fact that he wasn’t even in the movies really says something
And the fact that veronica roth says she regrets killing him really says something
didn’t he die?
father bread He was in the movies.
Are we gonna discuss Tris and Four's kinda cruddy relationship in Allegiant or will I have to die mad about it
I wanted them to break up so bad.
Their relationship was so shallow and Four only existed to be a love interest, nothing more.
Never liked them together in the books
The movie djdnr sell it we either
The movies made me ship peter and tris actually
The way Theo and Naomi looks like siblings i- like even if you’re trying to pass off four as 21..(which is pretty unbelievable because Theo James looks like he’s 35) his mom would still be older..
Divergent Movies Be Like:
Divergent: terrible soundtrack
Insurgent: video game
Allegiant: we don’t talk about Allegiant
Let's be honest Allegiant had a really good soundtrack and that is probably the only good thing about the movie
Rickity Rock I bought the divergent soundtrack 😭 and I loved it
Actually the soundtrack was My favorite part xd
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ΔGENT 0017 is it me or really bad movies always have good soundtracks? Like twilight’s soundtrack is kinda good
The Divergent series has Wattpad written all over it 💀 I’m surprised it didn’t didn’t debut there
wattpad wasnt a thing back then
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we both know it wasn’t a accident (‘::::: -
Mxther Mae oh damn why you disliking on me out here 😔
There is better books in wattpad, if you dig in deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and go a little more deeper u can find some good gems.
I remember reading Allegiant and when tris died I just yeeted that book across my bedroom and left. Her death was so pointless ugh
FOR REAL.
but I cried too :(
Ikr! You cannot just kill a main protagonist.
Only time I've ever physically slammed a book down onto the table I was MAD
i just wanna know where veronica roth went as soon as the movies started being filmed
It was targeted to middle schoolers and then y’all grew up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There are lots of things I liked as a kid or teen that I grew out of, but can still acknowledge as being good pieces of literature for that age group. Redwall is a great series for 10 year olds, and Harry Potter (while beloved by adults) is definitely a series for 10-14 year olds.
@@Saibellus sis don't even compare THE harry Potter series to this. It don't add up. It just don't.
@Cleverly relatable Username I wouldn't say deep themes and being for a younger audience are mutually exclusive. For e.g. the books look a lot at the experience of losing an older figure in your life right around the age many of the readers would be thinking about or going through losing their grandparents.
true. my friends are over fangirling over these books/stories but when the hype went out thwy be like meh like everything didn't happen
Yuuup
honestly this series is so forgettable that I was 10 minutes into this video when I remembered that i’ve read it? the whole thing? two years ago?
ganavi jelio yeah it’s not good at all, and I find the characters so boring...
The only series I've ever dnfed was this. I read book one and yeeted it to the used book store as soon as possible.
Noodle Katz i’m so happy I didn’t spend money on it but listen to them on audiobook instead
@@paninisen honestly I wish my parents hadn't spent money on it
Loll same I think I repressed reading the 2nd and 3rd ones. I completely forgot about them them but then he mentioned some details and talked about her dying and I'm like oh shit right I've actually read them
i was a huge fan of the hunger games, divergent and the legend series when i was 13 but now i realize that the only series that makes sense and stays with you are the hunger games, cause the movies are good (actors and visuals are cool and also the soundtrack is nice and not some slow pop i mean, i sometimes legit just lay in y bed and listen to the atmospheric slow background music of the hunger games) , the characters are made to be understood by all audiences and the overall series is made to be understood and taught about years later, not just as a quick cash grab profiting off teens just wanting to see other teens being all strong and cool rebels
I completely forgot that Tris dies at the end? Did she? I just remember some crap with her mom’s diary and the sculpture of the rock slowly being eroded by water
Now Prim dying, that I remember. It was messed up and I cried and blamed Gale, but the way Caleb puts it as Prim following Katniss’s example made me think about it.
Okay so, I'm not trying to get into some huge argument about this, but Gale didn't kill Prim. Yes, Gale did design the double detonation bombs with Beetee, but he did not know how they were going to be used.
I was so hyped to read the final book but when I finished it I was extremely disappointed. In fact, I was so disappointed I wrote an entire essay to my English teacher about how much it sucked and she loved it lol.
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op where’s the essay
IKR! I was so hyped hen reading the books that I even got my friend to start reading it. I was reading the last book and questioning is this going to be to identical to the hunger games and worse?( I love the hunger games don’t get me wrong) Then she died and I didn’t cry too much cause I was in class and I had a feeling she would live by some miracle BUT NO. The story line of the last book was kinda bad but it wood be a good book. But Tris died and that made the book trash to me. Like he said so many teens could relate to her and I related to her since my mind was like hers then she died and what does that tell teens? That you can do all these heroic things and just die? Idk sorry it’s long lol. Edit: I just realized how many spelling mistakes I have lol.
oh man, my goodreads review on this book when i first read it is terrifying
lmao i tried to read it like 3 times, never finished it tho
At least Allegiant was so bad that I still remember it. I legitimately can’t remember what happened in Insurgent
Same! Throughout the entire video, I was like "What even happened in Insurgent?" Seriously could not remember
Insurgent was dauntless and euridite having a mini war that drags on and on. And Tris fake dies. Insurgent in a nutshell.
eadsk99 That is... actually really what it is
I only remember what happened in Insurgent because I keep rereading the book
@Kimberly Anne It was a serum from the Amity. It was administered to her because she got into an altercation with Peter.
Damn. The only thing i remember about the books is that we were so hyped out because we had Four's POV in Allegiant but it was just because Tris dies. I was like wtf just happened lmao
also like i read enough fanfics at that time even at 15 the split perspective appeared used and old
when you ripped on the villain for not being scary and that whole ending scene where tris and four are hugging and the villain is watching them i laughed so hard my nose started bleeding
It was milked to death i think. There was another book called Four, told from Four’s perspective. There was stuff we hadn’t seen in the other books, but ultimately it was an excuse for Veronica Roth to publish more Divergent.
DaydreamingNerd 2106 I read it and I hated it so much. Not going into it, but being a survivor of child abuse watching her completely fuck it up with Four pissed me off. She clearly doesn’t know what she’s talking about, especially with her attempts at what I think was supposed to be PTSD.
Basically watching her get everything wrong about everything that I personally have experience with kind of sucked.
//end unsolicited four rant im sorry
sol phoyu sorry I disagree. As someone who was abused, I did relate to Tobias’s pain from Marcus. Remember, PTSD and mental disorders are different for everyone.
DaydreamingNerd 2106 To be fair, I read the Four book and I thoroughly enjoyed it; it didn’t deviate from the heart and soul of the original books as dramatically as Allegiant did. However, I do see what you’re saying and agree. The whole thing was drawn out painfully towards the end.
I’m not 100% sure, but didn’t she begin writing from four’s perspective and didn’t like it, so she changed to tris? So she didn’t write something new for the four book
Correct me if I’m wrong btw
@@maddy1327 Love the profile pic, lol. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but I had to say it.
"It felt like a complete tangent from what the movie was about"
Would you say the series diverged at this point?
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You win
get out
The only reason I was dragging myself through the last pages of the final book was that Tris's point of view was marginally more interesting to read than Four's. When she died I literally threw the book across my bedroom
What divergent teaches us: Having more than one personality trait..... is a good thing?
Anyone remember the 5th wave? Like, it came out on the VERY tail end of the dystopian YA trend, got a movie deal before it was even published, the first movie flopped and nothing really substantial even came of it.
I remember that I DNFed the book- just couldn't get into it, and I couldn't understand how it got so much hype, either!
I actually really liked the book series
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf I liked that book series as well. Not a top fav but it was pretty well enough put together if you like the darker slant on teen dystopian. Compared to Divergent the ending felt much more earned. Reading it you could tell very quickly it was not going to work well as a movie series though. Grim hopelessness is a really tough sell to the summer popcorn nomming masses.
It's amazing for being more realistic... It was horribly grim
It actually was pretty good, book wise like the ending was pretty good in my opinion
The CGI in Insurgence looks straight out of the Spy Kids lmao
Spy Kids was a better movie
@@nicodifictional540 it never was
At least the cgi in that was incredibly creative for the time
Spy kids is a classic
@@taskmaster668 LMAOOOOO it's just facts, spy kids 1 and 2 are classics, and while the effects don't hold up they don't take away from the movie's quality
Allegiant was the first time I actually got mad at an author for what they wrote. Even as a kid, I was subconsciously aware that the writing sucked, I just didn’t know how to put it into words. I spent so long mulling over it that I wrote an entire essay on why the ending was the most garbage way to end the series possible and how honestly the entire book was just a downhill slope.
Now I’m studying to be a media journalism major lol. So in a way the Divergent series made me who I am.
I remember being so mad at the end of allegiant that I literally threw my book across my bedroom.
Yeah 4 was definitely 30. We should just call him 30 from now.
1st book was 🔥 1st movie was 🤷🏻♀️
2nd book was 👌🏻 2nd movie was 😬
3rd book was 🤨 3rd movie was 🗑
3rd book also is trash
The third book isnt that bad though I guess I just like the part when four found out she died it kinda made me cry so i ended up hating the movie
it was like roth had this epic ao3 plot and then realized that she couldnt come up any reasoning for why the plot existed and made up some experiment war bullshit. then to top it off (cause she knew her plot sucked) she decided to kill of the main character for no reason?? bruh tris couldve died SO MANY WAYS and she dies from a gunshot from some irrelevant random guy
ur right
I couldn't even be bothered to finish it it was soo bad
"They're the smart people *pushes up glasses* if you don't.. know that.."
3:12
When I was in 6th grade I opted to read all of the weird spinoff books about Four or whatever his name was during a school trip to a camp to bungee jump
Also the ending of Allegiant was apparent from the beginning. Why else would she suddenly introduce a new POV? And it wasn’t even done well - I kept having to flip back to the beginning of the chapter to see whose perspective I was reading.
omg I thought I was the only who had this problem, I honestly wanted to tell Four to wear a tampon and eat cake because he was acting the same way I do when I'm on my period
I had to do the same thing while reading Allegiant! Omg. I simply couldn’t tell the difference between Tris and Tobias’s perspectives.
It was so bad
Savannah oh
Right?? It was so weird to read their alternating perspectives. Giving each character a unique voice in a first person setting is extremely difficult, but I always appreciate the effort. Like Red Queen did a similar thing and didn’t quite stick the landing, but I was able to follow along without much trouble.
Allegiant was just baaaaad.
You could say Divergent's characters and plot... diverged
Badum tssssss
I say that all the time just to make fun of the directors/whoever the hell made the films trash
The last book was THE HARDEST BOOK to get through oh my god
It was lacking *BIG TIME*
I just flipped through it very quickly to get the plots out, then never revisited again. that was 7 years ago
I was like 11 when I read Divergent and I was obsessed. I swear to god when I read about Tris dying I cried for not 1, not 2 but 6 freaking hours
I DRESSED UP to go to the first showing of Divergent by MYSELF on a SCHOOL NIGHT (but then I never even saw the next movies). Plus, I had a Divergent poster on my wall for an embarrassingly long time, so this video speaks to my soul
Omg all of my friends and I cosplayed for the opening of divergent as the factions... I also had posters of divergent on my wall for way too long lol
Man I had three divergent posters on my wall all through middle school all of them were fourtris smh 😂
I have the faction stickers in my drawer still! Glad I never committed to sticking them on anything or that would've been embarrassing now
The Divergent Series moral lesson:
"If you try to be brave and stand up for yourself you're just gonna die."
More like:
"Hey kids, you should forgive people, even if they dipped and left you with an abusive father or bertrayed you and literally walked you to your own execution. You should totally die for them too."
Which is probably the truth if you think about it. Have you noticed in most stories, the hero has some factor of luck working for them. Some accident that helped them in a dire situation or a by chance encounter that let them learn some important plot element. Irl I would imagine most of us in that situation would die horribly having no idea what hit us. Like TSOIAF, most people don't get happy endings. Sometime bravery isn't enough, I guess you should choose intelligence over bravery if u wanna survive
Well, you either die a hero or you live Long enough to see yourself become the villain. Which would you rather?
Basically yeah 🤣
This whole time I thought you were talking about Maze Runner and I was so confused.
Oh shit
I never saw allegiant and OMG THAT GOOP SCENE I CANT BELIEVE THATS AN ACTUAL SCENE
Magical Molly omg I died at that scene.😭
and I goop-
I laughed on the theatre
It is and it's the highlight of that tragic movie.
The guy that plays the clown in it is in it!
It was
every time i think of divergent i’m brought back to simpler times: 5th grade, freshly out of my percy jackson phase, way too obsessed with the maze runner, and smacking highlighters open on my desk when my friend handed me the book and said “hey, read this.”
my exact words after finishing it: “it was lame. minho could totally kick four’s ass in a fight.”
Unpopular opinion: Maze Runner should have been a stand alone because after the first book the series just got worse and worse.
*i love all music on the inside* My younger self would disown me for saying this, but looking back now, I agree.
It was at the end of scorch trials when Aris and Teresa had Thomas in the cave, revealing to him that they were double-crossing him and kissing each other, when I was like, “How did we come to this?”
Yup I picture myself reading the last pages of the Death Cure so fast in English class that I missed a majorly important part.
Your 5th grade self was totally right, Minho could totally kick Four's butt in a fight
@@stanconnorstan4266 I kind of agree, the Scorch Trials was really meh, but I liked the Death Cure, and I still do because I am a sentimental bitch, but I agree that the first book was the best and maybe should have been a standalone
Who else is Here because they in Quarantine?🤦🏾♂️
*Tori appears*
Me: oh look it’s Tori. Doesn’t she dies?
Tori: *GETS SHOT*
Tori: ughh
Everybody else: oh no, anyways
others: yes, very sad. but anyways
Tori: dying
Everyone but Tris: y'all hear sumn?
I hate that I wrote fanfiction for this book when I was like thirteen.
I really hate it.
Your fanfic was probably better tbh
Oh oh share the link
I probably read it at some point
Don’t worry, I wrote AWFUL Dramione fanfics and then submitted them for a contest at school with the names changed to basic white names. I think I 1-upped you.
That fanfic writer life changes you fam
For an assignment in high school we had to rewrite a chapter of a book. Guess what book I chose lol.
oooh sis, thats A LOT of work
nunya business FRR
Like the comment before mine, but that does sound fun. What chapter did you choose?
i had the same assignment and i chose this book too lol
Yoooo that’s actually such a cool prompt
There's one thing I never understood: in Dauntless, everyone knew Tobias as Four because that's the name he gave himself when he arrived. He chose the number four because that is also the number of fears he has.
Here's my problem: how did he know that he had four fears when he arrived? Or did he change his name after the initiation (not sure if that's what it's called)?
I have been thinking about this for years, I don't know why it bothers me so much
Pretty sure the last book, Four, says that it came after his initiation to Dauntless, but I forget exactly when the name came about and when his real name was forgotten. (Think it may have had something to do with their respect of his privacy). I actually liked that book a lot more than Allegiant because they gave Four a motivation for escaping to Dauntless, and the other shit he does.
i think i remember vaguely that he just let everyone call him stiff up until the initiation, he did the fear simulation and he only had four fears so his instructor started to call him four?
@@sleepdeprivation7350 pretty late to this party but yes that's how I remember it too, the other dauntless members named him after they found out, not himself
If you read the book Four, it gives the backstory with Amar and his training.
Bet some of you only watch divergent for Theo James lmao
No one:
UA-cam Recommended:
*WHY THE DIVERGENT SERIES WENT DOWN THE TOILET*
I am SO HAPPY UA-cam recommended this to me
Ainsley McFarland same
Same lol
The one genuinely incredible thing about that movie is that the stuntwoman had to jump from that building with no safety lines and she did and she is alright. Love her. What a legend. IconiqueTM
Bruh, I watched the Allegiant movie thinking it was meant to be the final movie of the series and they just totally gave up on the actual plot😂
Trying to remember what happened in the last movie is like trying to remember dreams. Like did it even happen? It is even harder to remember due to the non-existent sub-plots that the movies randomly introduced even though no one ever asked for that...
I was like 14ish when Allegiant came out, but I could FEEL the anxiety in that book. Poor Veronica Roth was terrified. The ending had been planned for a while, and she was scared of the reaction it would get, so she kept trying to tip toe around it. But that just made it worse. Honestly, I think the idea of killing of the main character was super creative and awesome, but she didn't own it. She didn't write it well, because the pressure was too much for her. It sucks to see a series be killed by popularity literally. I wish we could see a version where she didn't feel so much pressure.
Or of a better author.
no exactly- the fact she did it to “be different” is so so so sad
she wasted a whole series by killing tris - also it didn’t even make sense - david (lmao) loved her mother??? correct me if i’m wrong so why tf would he kill her daughter??? also i’m pretty sure caleb was gonna go get the serums (again correct me if i’m wrong i haven’t read them in years) but tris decided to sacrifice herself? like i understand they’re siblings but he literally worked against her previously and betrayed her trust so many times and he didn’t really have a future to look forward to whereas tris had four and christina etc and all her friends.
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chrissie : Yes, David was in love with her mother, but he believed in sacrifices for (what he believed to be) the greater good. Tris went in instead of Caleb because she was selfless like that and Caleb was only going to do it so Tris would forgive him.
@@chrissie1303 she didn't do it solely to be different, and while im not discrediting your theory, i encourage you to watch an interview where roth explains the reasoning behind tris' death - it truly does make sense. but in brief summary: (1) tris had toyed with death so many times it was basically inevitable because how lucky can one get really, (2) tris spent the entirety of the 2nd and much of the 3rd book learning and making mistakes about sacrifice, so it made sense for her to fufill this learning journey with a true sacrifice, leaving us with a sense of finality, (3) tris was almost too strong/tenacious a character to simply have a 'basic' happy ending, her ending needed to be as emotional and dramatic as her entire life had been (your theory may be true with this admittedly weaker point, but that doesn't mean the first two points don't make sense)
I CHOKED when I saw those CGI scenes and the ''18'' year old with his kid LOL
Wait but Tris did cut her hair in the books I remember bc she said her new hair is the hair of a warrior bc it had less of chance of being pulled by enemies so that was book accurate
Also Maze Runner was published in 2009 around the time the first Hunger Games did so the books at least didn’t ride HG coattails but the movies did
The fact that your name's Caleb lol😂😂
When Tris died I literally cried for 2 freaking days, I was so upset 😂 and I had the biggest crush on Tobias. Glad am not 12 anymore
yuktika ngl I cried so hard that my sister was legitimately worried for me
i made the mistake of reading the last book at work and i cried for like hours and then fired
I think everyone had a crush on Tobias tbh 😂
I was cursing so much. i went ranting to my mum and i was crying. A freaking man in a wheelchair killed her!
I was cursing so much. i went ranting to my mum and i was crying. A freaking man in a wheelchair killed her!