I always figured Tinkaton’s hammer was it’s species way of compensating for it’s own weak physical attack, which is where Gigaton Hammer comes in. Tinkaton itself is naturally weak, but is smart enough to create tools, more specifically the hammer to fight, creating it’s signature move in the process.
In Spiritomb’s case, it does make sense that it isn’t overwhelmingly powerful. It was introduced in Gen 4, when the typing of Ghost/Dark had no weaknesses.
Onix is actually a masterpiece of design. Its design makes for a very intimidating Pokémon for children who are fighting the very first gym of the series, but its poor stats make it a very easy opponent to defeat. Basically, he is the Pokémon equivalent of fathers letting their children win a fight just to boost their self-confidence
Rock type is also both resistant to a lot of common early game types but at the same time has loads of weaknesses, including to two starter types. So it’s a perfect type for teaching new players about type effectiveness too
@@Owain9797 What you said, PLUS it has awful special (defense), meaning even if you picked Charmander as a kid, you can spam non-effective embers and still have a realistic chance of beating it.
@@anthonydavid3348 honestly, I believe that Onix has an even better design than Whispy Woods, since the latter doesn't even pretend to be menacing, while Onix looks threatening, but it's actually a piece of cake, provided you picked the right Pokémon of course
I'm a big fan of the theory that pokemon stats are representative of their abilities specifically in battle. For example, Latios and Latias may be able to fly as fast as jets but it would be hard to make it to top speed in the confines of a battle.
For any of the attack/special attack stat facts, remember that any pokemon before Diamond and Pearl had to reflect that the physical special split hadn't happened. This is why Shedinja has high attack, ghost was physical type attacks.
This means nothing when it comes to the stats. Tons of Pokemon had high Physical or Special they couldn't use due to types being hard-locked to physical or special. Such as Flareon having an insanely high attack, but no physical STAB fire moves it could use to take full advantage of it. The Gengar line also has high special, but all the ghost moves are physical so it never gets to take full advantage of its main stat. Etc, etc.
In german, the speed stat is called "Initiative", which describes the ability to REACT fast, not to run fast. Also, the japanese word translates to Agility
For speed you left out Dragonite. It has dex entries stating it can circle the globe in 16 hours (timezone changes aside to be assumed) and has multiple instances referencing this (like the mail dragonite zipping around in the first movie) yet it has a base speed of 80. This is a speed stat tied with Mamoswine, a giant Pig-Mammoth, with short thick legs.
My main explanation for these stats is that in the dex entries it references the pokemon's max speed, not taking into account the pokemon's acceleration, and while in battle its pretty hard to accelerate for 10 seconds without being attacked.
I mean Have you seen wild boars or elephants charge? Theyre pretty fast for such chunky creatures! They have to be speedy to gore their opponents with their tusks
To put the speed of Pigiot into context, Mach 2 is the max speed of the Euro fighter Typhoon with afterburners on. Fighters normally don't fight at their max speed though. Sure the F-15 and Mig-29 have the bird beat at around Mach 2.3 and the Foxhound at nearly mach 3 but damn that bird is insanely fast.
And the F22 Raptor, widely regarded as the scariest modern jet, can SUPERCRUISE at around Mach 2.5 (I don't believe the Foxhoud actually reached Mach 3 lemme look it up real quick) Okay i looked it up and it could TECHNICALLY reach mach 3.2 with engine damage but actually reached mach 2.8
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Speed Stat isn't entirely just how fast they move, it's more about how fast you attack. For example vikavolt is fast, but he just might need a long charge up for an attack, hence low stats in speed
That's a good theory. I just figured it was based on reaction time, meaning Pokemon that can move fast lore-wise yet have low Speed stats are either slow at processing the command, or are trying to not disobey immediately, causing a pause.
Attack and special attack are some of the least defensible ones, speed is one I think is the easiest to defend because these are combat stats being show not stats for how they move at traveling speed. A lot of super fast things are handicapped by smaller arenas and the like where turning is required more frequently
Yeah, it has always felt more like reflexes than top speed. A featherweight boxer would have a higher 'speed' stat than a sprinter because they would beat them to the punch. The one that I also feel is misrepresented is defence, HP is the stat that determines how much damage something can take and defence is how difficult it is to land a good blow. Whether that be an evasion tank or in a full set of armour. Kartana, very tricky to hit properly but can't take much damage
I never saw the speed stat as a Pokémon's physical speed, but rather their reaction speed in battle. So to me it makes sense that you see Pokémon like Varoom and Veluza moving at high speeds in Scarlet and Violet despite their bad speed stats; there are two different kinds of speeds in the game.
@@nullpoint3346 I know, I was pointing it out tail wind to the main commentor, basicly, I thought mental speed could be the case 10 years or so ago, but obviusly, sinch I do mention tail wind, I am more then aware.
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I've come to better terms with a lot of weird Speed stats once I started looking at it as a "reaction time" stat instead. This line of thinking gets much more obvious with Dugtrio, it ducks quickly back into the ground before you can hit it, like whack-a-mole.
I was getting really annoyed also with wugtrio, because it kept outspeeding and ohkoing mega rayquaza. I feel this theory doesn't really apply, as wugtrio's heads stick out of a rock.
What I think regarding the speed stat is that it is also meant to show how fast a Pokemon can react. Explaining why rhyhorn's speed is low implying it can't react fast to incoming attacks.
@@iob321 bruh, what I said was to define the speed stat. For the instance if i didn't know what the speed stat did , i wouldn't even be on the video commenting my views. 😂😂 I think you don't know how the common sense works.
8:42 If you can catch it, Veluza literally uses Fillet Away before attacking you (that is why there is a 2-second timer between when it notices you and attacks you) And it does actually heal the flesh when entering battle
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I feel like it is worth noting that speed doesn’t mean how fast you can move, it’s more how long it takes to “charge up” an attack. That’s why electrode and regieleki are so fast despite being just spheres, one is a primed bomb, and the other is just made of electricity, no “charging up” necessary, just touch ‘em and it’s used Thunderbolt.
Just want to point out that the examples you gave aren't great. In Pokeathlon, Electrode is one of the fastest pokémon (like, he can roll fast). You've also got Pokémon like Accelgore, where it's clear that they're just able to move quickly (as shown in Pokepark 2), which is why they have such speed.
its not about attack charge its about attack response. A fast pokemon is one that can navigate and respond well to commands efficiently, HENCE electrode and Regieleki, one is litteral lightning and the other is a Sphere is an extreme ease to maneuver and orient itself as needed on a dime. meanwhile a pokemon can fly as fast as a jet plane sure, but that doesn't mean it can stop, orient itself for attack and then start moving again efficiently in a combat scenario.
My head-cannon on the "Speed" Stat, is that it's more accurate to consider it the "Mobility" or "Recovery to Attack Again" Stat. It's not actually about how fast the Pokemon's maximum distance-over-time is, but how well the Pokemon can react to things around it. - Rhyhorn has low speed because if it attacks something, say by tackling it, it takes comparatively forever, say 10~20 seconds, to get back into a position where it can do so again. - Vikavolt can move around quickly, but it's special attacks take time to charge up, and it's physical attacks rely on it opening and then shutting it's pincer's. - Escavalier is in a similar position to Rhyhorn, requiring time to remove it's arm-lances from whatever they get lodged into, and, with a pair of long sticks stuck to itself, it's kind of hard to maneuverer around obstacles, such as enemies (or trees), to get into a position to properly attack your foes. - Varoom has the issues of motor vehicles do, they're great for causing destruction via speed-based impacts, but they need a minute to reposition themselves so that they have a chance to hit you a second time. - Veluza, same issue as with Varoom. Great vertical acceleration, poor turning capabilities. - Wiglett & Dugtrio may live half-underground, but they are able to move around anywhere, change direction on a dime, and could theoretically, in a game with a completely unrelated set of combat mechanics, attack near constantly in combat. This does seem to fit with your explanation, KelKav, it's just more detailed and gives more detailed descriptions.
Instead of 'speed' I like to use "Reaction Time". That's why Slowpoke/bro/king and Slakoth are slow. Takes a little bit for them to understand and translate lol. That's why Psychics are generally fast: they can translate better. And electricity doesn't think, it just acts.
I think a good explanation for Rhyhorn and Escavalier’s low speed is possibly because they mainly run in straight lines. The spd stat of a Pokemon probably depends on how acrobatic it in battle.
I'm pretty sure a Pokémon's Speed stat does not equate to the speed at which they can run, fly or swim around. I think the Speed stat moreso equates to their action speed in battle, if that makes any sense. The same could actually go for all stats but Speed most of all
Yeah, I've always had the thought of the stats only being battle stats. Basically the rules of the ingame game of battles. Would also explain how Pokémon weak to water can swim in it. They aren't allergic to water, just take more damage from being splashed with it inside of the battles.
@@thesecretsuspects yeah, exactly! The rules of Pokémon battles don't have to be the same as the rules of nature in the Poké-verse. I think regular water is different from water originating from Pokémon moves, which definitely has some kind of elemental magic involved which is why it can damage other Pokémon, while rain or swimming in water does not. At least, that's what I like to believe ^^'
It's reflexes, I guess, so that would mean that the cat doesn't have greater movement speed than a plane, rather it has greater reflexes since it's a cat, hence the term "cat-like reflexes." Still doesn't excuse Vikavolt being slower than Grubbin
I have a feeling that he'll mention Vikavolt when it comes to speed. The reason why Vikavolt is so slow is because it's a railgun, which are known to be insanely slow to fire
Exactly! The Speed stats make more sense if it defines how quick it is to make a move in battle rather than travel speed in the wild. Although it looks like devs that create the pokedex entries probably just make them based off of their designs only.
Perhaps why Mantike's Special Defense is so high, is a psychological thing. It's so cute that most good people wouldn't want to hurt it and instead protect it. So therefore that is why it's so high.
The funny thing about Pidgeot is that in Pokémon Masters, Blue is seen chasing his, saying something like “it just ran off really fast”, meaning that Blue may have run at Mach 2
Ninjask having half the defense of Nincada makes a lot of sense when you consider that it's shedding it's outer... skin? exoskeleton? I don't know what the right word is. And then that shed reanimates into Shedinja. it lost its armor to evolve, leaving it in two parts, the squishy inner bug and the hard outer shell of armor.
I think (regarding the Speed stat) that it actually represents how fast a Pokémon can't react, rather than how fast a Pokémon can move. Celesteela, for example, moves very fast, but a rocket ship probably takes some time reacting to turn and so on. That Vikavolt is so slow is still dumb, though.
I think the speed stat refers to reaction time rather than movement velocity. Celesteela for instance can move crazy fast but doesn't look like it can react in time to its surroundings
I'm pretty sure SV proves this is canon. Veluza doesn't have a particularly impressive Speed stat, iirc, but it jets at you like a bat outta hell on the overworld.
I'm positive the reason Onix's stats are what they are stems from a possibility that Onix was already decided to be included in Brock's team and had its stats balanced around this near the end of development
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Leafeon's dex entry explains why it's stronger than a rock. Cells similar to those of plants have been found in its fur. Its hard tail can fell a large tree with one stroke, and the tail's sharpness exceeds even that of a sword crafted by a master.
10:58 this one makes a lot of sense tbh. Jumpluff abuses the wind to its advantage, like the first time I saw the hoppip fly away at the speed of light by getting taken away by the wind in game.
I subscribe to the idea that despite Corviknight’s entry mentioning it has predators, and Tinkaton’s talking about it attacking Corviknight, Tinkaton is NOT a predator of Corviknight. Tink’s Scarlet entry describes it as having a “daring disposition,” which would imply it has a habit of doing things that are disadvantageous for it, such as pestering a stronger Pokemon, Corviknight, for no good reason.
Personally,since bird feathers can come off when a bird is startled i think Tinkaton gets the metal for its hammer by startling Corviknight and picking up the fallen metal feathers
@@subjectomicron5445 that's genius thinking It possibly finds larges objects that it tosses at corvi which also results I fallen metal that is used as parts for a hammer
@@JayceCH. Pokédex entries being made up is actually canonized by the galar fossils- scientists made up historical backstories for them despite being accidental lab fusions that never existed in history
HP would be the amount of damage a pokémon can take (Wailord and whale blubber or Hariyama and body fat. Easy to cut or bruise, but you've got *a lot* to try and cut through before you do any meaningful damage (infections not included)) Defense would be how much damage the pokémon takes from an attack (Rock and Steel)
The Speed stat doesn't represent or map to movement speed, it's _attack_ speed. It's your quick draw in the cowboy duel, not how fast your horse runs. Higher speed just means that when you and your enemy are both making attacks with the same amount of setup/telegraphing at the same time, yours connects first.
The problem with Flareon is that Eeveelutions share the same stats but placed differently. All the others already have the 130 elsewhere but Attack. So for Flareon it was Attack obviously.
My theory is that a pokemon's speed stat is it's reflexes and not the actual speed a pokemon can fly/run/swim at. It explain why Veluza and Varoom are fast outside of battle but become insanely slow in battle. It also explains Purrugly's speed stat. Purrugly is a cat and has cat-like reflexes.
I think that the Pokemon Speed Stat is actually referring to it’s reaction time rather than how fast it can move from point A to point B. Because Speed doesn’t effect if you can avoid - *outrun* - an attack, that’s dependent on Evasion. But speed DOES affect turn order, and in PLA, having a higher speed stat also effects how easily you can get off multiple turns in a row. To compare it to TTRPGs, that’s not movement speed, that’s initiative.
Huntail and Gorebyss seem to have high defense stats due to living deep underwater, where their skin and bones can withstand the extreme pressure. Also, Nincada's and Ninjask's weird defense stats seem to be references to the life cycle of the cicada in real life. Cicada's spend like 90% of their lives as nymphs that live underground and have harder exoskeletons to protect them from predators. As adults, they only live for a few weeks (compared to years as nymphs). Ninjask's frailness seems to reference how brief an adult cicada's lifespan is, while Nincada's endurance does so for the relatively long time spent as a nymph. And then Shedinja is the leftover shell that looks alive but isn't, hence the Ghost typing and 1 HP.
One Pokemon left unmentioned here that has weird stats is Flamigo. It's got a BST of 500, which is the same as Mon like Alakazam, Aegislash, Wailord, and Calyrex. You can find Flamigo before you fully finish the *tutorial*. (Oh yeah, and good job on 2,000,000 :D)
That's how just goes the power creep in every generation. For example, you could get a Shiftry before the first gym in gen 8. And then you could get for it crazy level 1 moves since reminding pokemon a move in gen 8 is 100% free.
I think the reason Kartana gets a super high defense stat is the same reason swords are very strong. A paper thin blade should still hold up even though there’s not much there.
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12:17 I can explain leafeon, since it’s leaves, and leaves are naturally bendable and flexible, it’s not really taking the brunt of a punch, it’s bending it’s body around the punch. 😂
For the record, Tinkaton's hammer is made from Pawniard/Bisharp, NOT Corviknight. It's a "common knowledge" thing even Tinkaton's own dex entry (if people actually read it) states it's a DARING (risky) move for it to toss stones at Corviknight. Nevermind that on-top of having poorer stats than the bird's defenses, Tinkaton also does not learn any super effective moves against it!
In the scarlet pokédex it says, “This intelligent Pokémon has a very daring disposition. It knocks rocks into the sky with its hammer, aiming for flying Corviknight.” I do not know where you got the information from though.
I already found some comments about this topic, but I want to share my own two cents as well. The speed stat shouldn't misinterpreted as running velocity. Since I'm german, I'm at a better requirement here. In german the stat is called "Initiative", which is exactly the same word in englisch. "Speed" would be translated into "Geschwindigkeit", which as total different meaning. Especially Rhyhorn or Bouffalant are Pokemon who charge their opponents to "take down" or "Giga Impact" them. What do you think, how they could react at max speed, if they try to slow down or prevent the collision, if they need to. The Rhyhorn race might be a challenge for the Rhyhorns because the track might not be dead straight, causing them to accomplish the curves and turns, which would be a huge challenge due to their high running velocity, but low initative. greetings
I've always thought of speed in Pokémon to be closer to overall dexterity and reaction time, which would be more helpful in a battle than just running real fast. Some of these Pokémon have absolutely insane top speeds, but they can't necessarily achieve those feats of speed within what would be the equivalent time of a single turn in a Pokémon battle.
Ohhhhh dude, so many more pokemon speed stats make sense if you think of it more as a ttrpg dexterity stat. I mean, there’s still exceptions, but reframing it like that seems legit helpful.
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Dex entries aren't that trustable since they can be quite exaggerated like magcargo being hotter than the sun or tyranitar destroying mountains to make it's home
I don't think "speed" is meant to model something top speed, but rather a combination acceleration, agility, and reaction time among other things in that general umbrella. That doesn't excuse all of your examples but it does for a handful of them
An explanation that I came up with to explain the oddity of speed compared to dex entry is that it isn't straight speed but instead agility. Rhyhorn can move pretty fast in a straight line, but it can't turn quickly. Glarian Zapdos can run very fast but as seen in the chase with it it doesn't take turns easily and it must slow down to turn. Dedenne on the other hand can easily turn without losing speed.
Well that was very interesting. Just to clarify and redeem some - in pokemon, Speed stat seems to reflect not tthe movement speed of a species, but more of a reaction speed. Whitch means, pokemon with low spd could be really fast movers, just not too keen on correcting their move. Like then chargers charge you in the overworld, whey do it in the straight line, and if you move even a little - whey will just miss. Its more reinforced in the battle. Its not that slow pokemon move slover and cause of that use their atack second. Its because both trainers give their command at the same time, but faster pokemon react to the command faster, and executes its move first. So, fast pokemons are basically quick thinkers. This theory of mine are quite beaten by the existance of priority moves, so i decided to see speed stat as a combination of the pokemons actual speed and its reaction speed. Now this makes full sese, since, for example, Regieleki couldnt be as fast as lightning - it is not electricity itself, its a golem. Its still a phisical object. But cause of that its "Soul" is made of lightning, its not only fast mover but also has incredibly fast reaction. Same goes for pretty much all pokemon. Speed = is not JUST move speed. Its a combination of all of the pokemons speed qualities, such as quick thinking, strike speed, move speed, and reaction speed. So there are pokemon who are ridiculously fast movers, but cause of them having 3 other qualities very low, whey have their overall speed stat low.
The Speed stat isn't movement speed, it's attack/action speed and possibly maneuverability. This is reflected in the German translation, in which the Speed stat is called Initiative. High movement speed doesn't help much in combat if you can't quickly start, stop, or change direction.
Wow. Initiative. That reminds of Dungeons and Dragons. Characters get the stat called dexterity. Then at the beginning of each battle, players figure out initiative. That is the order characters go in while taking turns. Each character rolls a twenty sided dice and adds their dexterity. Then the turn order goes from the highest number to lowest number. It is like speed in Pokemon except more elaborate. Dexterity is used for a lot of stuff in Dungeons and Dragons, as do the other stats. However boosting initiative stands out as the most prominent use. It can benefit all players regardless of class. Some classes do have high dexterity though, such as rogue and ranger.
Than it makes sense for genesect for example that in plane mode can only go fast in long distances. But other seem to have low speed but by lore high reflexes so it’s still seem random numbers sometimes
I guess for Murkrow and Blastoise, it being *special* attack is probably the main reason for this, since Murkrow is a black magic bird thing and special stats are often associated with magic and spiritual aspects of the Pokémon, but still….
I saw an explanation on reddit that the speed stat isn't the speed of the pokemon literally but the speed at which it executes its moves. It makes a lot more sense like that considering the moves go based on speed, i.e. who executes their move faster, not who zips around quickly. It also solves the anomaly of numerous dex entries about high travelling speeds of pokemon but slow speed stat.
@Baron Geoffrey If you factor in acceleration and reaction time, then yes. If A has spring loaded arms then it is going to punch before B even if B can move at sonic speed because if B takes 3 seconds to get to sonic speed then A has already hit it.
Unfortunately Pokémon Sword and Shield debunks this, as the speed stat of the Pokémon in the game actually determines how fast would your Pokémon follow you.....
@@jeanduresau not exactly. Remember about the picnics in generation 8, you could see Pokémons run at their canon travel speed even when some of them had really low spd stats. It was a good demonstration of that concept . Then about Pokémons following you faster depending on the stats, I guess Pokemon could improve their speed at not only striking, but also at running. Like in real life. So when we think about it, that makes sens.
The speed stuff makes some sense to me. Rather than looking at it in terms of how fast they can run or fly, it may be more about reaction time. They can move faster than they can react or they can react faster than they can move. My family plays a table top RPG called Champions (it's a superhero game). In Champions, the speed of a character is multiplied out of combat making it so your character can fly at hundreds of miles per hour, but fights at a little over normal human speeds. That's how I see pokemon speeds; combat speed and out of combat speed.
I think in the case of Nincada, it makes sense cuz Nincada has the shell still on and it shed the shell (shedinja) to evolve into ninjask so its defense is a combination of both Ninjask and Shedinja defense (each have 45)
I think a lot of the weird speed stats are because the speed stat is in reference to their speed in _battle,_ not necessarily while they’re just chilling
Yeah, I've always had the thought of the stats only being battle stats. Basically the rules of the ingame game of battles. They're there to ensure that nothing is too outrageous. Would also explain how Pokémon weak to water can swim in it. They aren't allergic to water, just take more damage from being splashed with it inside of the battles.
@@thesecretsuspects I actually think the water thing is because they're magic animals They're not weak to just regular water but water magic This would also explain why Pokemon capable of performing certain actions cannot learn moves based on the same action like Fly or Bite, they can't use their magic in that way to damage another Pokemon
I knew speed would be the most absurd. At this point they need to overhall the entire speed stat, and change it for basically every Pokémon. It would be good if it correlated to some real world speed metric, like mph, kmph, mps, or anything really, to keep it reasonable and comparable.
Shedinja has defensive stats Shedinja has around 5 hp in mystery dungeon and a comically high defence as to where the regular attack always does 1 damage
Don’t you actually ride Rhyhorn in the games a couple times? And it’s slow as dirt, but is a walking Rock Smash TM? Like, the idea of Rhyhorns racing is MEANT to be inherently funny, and its speed stat isn’t out of place, its the punchline 😂
I personally like to imagine a psychic type setting up trick room for the races, and all the Rhyhorn breaking the sound barrier, along with their racer’s spines
I've decided to interpret pokemon's speed stat as more of an initiative sort of thing. Like, not how fast can they run/fly etc, but how decisively they can choose to attack such that they hit an opponent before they get hit by them.
Congrats on 2M, Mikey! My thoughts on Onix are that RBY wanted to stay true to the iconic Pokémon that the gym leaders were associated with (mostly) and couldn't think of a better way to let Brock have his Onix in the first gym than to make it that weak. I'm not excusing their poor decision-making, but it was a thought I had for a possible explanation.
I think the nincada one makes sense. I mean, when it evolves, it's outer shell becomes a seperate entity, and since it also loses its ground typing, it would have to become significantly weaker in the defense department.
Trapinch makes sense because it is somewhat based on the antlion and its counterpart. These two bugs dig holes in the sand. For their size, they are incredibly powerful.
Maybe the stats are more representative of how they do in battle/competition? Like speed for example could actually represent how fast they are right away, which would explain why some Pokémon have a lower speed stat than their dex entry describes. It can take time to build up to that dex speed, time they wouldn't have in battle. Doesn't explain ALL the stat discrepancies, but it makes it make a bit more sense to me.
I can imagine Tinkaton’s attack stat is the actual Pokémon’s strength, hence Megaton Hammer being so strong. Imagine if it’s attack stat was the hammer and then Megaton Hammer on top of that though!
6:50 Given the shape and the English name, Vikavolt seems like it was based on the Vic Viper, which is infamous for being a super fast and hard-hitting glass cannon. It really should have been statted that way. It already has the high special attack, but give it a higher base stat total and/or shave some defenses to make its speed 100+! (Yes, yes, I know, the original Japanese name is Kuwagannon and does not reference the Vic Viper, but the shape of it sure does.) Also 16:00 I am pretty sure Onix is so bad because it's Brock's ace. It was statted less for good use and more to be the first/tutorial boss of the game that makes you pay attention to things like type matchups and physical and special defenses. Someone brand new to RPGs could take some time figuring out how it works because its low attack makes it less likely to take out your random Pidgeotto or Pikachu.
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To the Speed-Stat. I never thought of it meaning the "literal" speed they could reach. In my native language, the speed stat is called "initiative" which fits more in the sense of not meaning the literal travel speed but instead the ability to attack first.
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I always figured Tinkaton’s hammer was it’s species way of compensating for it’s own weak physical attack, which is where Gigaton Hammer comes in. Tinkaton itself is naturally weak, but is smart enough to create tools, more specifically the hammer to fight, creating it’s signature move in the process.
Yeah, basically the hammer has a whopping attack stat, but the ability Truant. XD
@@cintronproductions9430 Exactly, i’m gonna assume not being able to use it for one turn is because that hammer is heavy AF
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Reminder that Tinkaton doesn't even get a super-effective attack to use against Corviknight. 😂
That won't stop the little munchkin from slaughtering every corviknight in Paldea 😈
Gigaton Hammer should have been super effective against Steel-types.
@@jorgegonzalezavila9376 or atleast Corviknight
It just want to make it suffer
It uses the hammer to knock rocks into it. We do not have a golf move yet.
In Spiritomb’s case, it does make sense that it isn’t overwhelmingly powerful.
It was introduced in Gen 4, when the typing of Ghost/Dark had no weaknesses.
That type combo was built for a slow, defensive Pokémon.
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Im more confused about how its attack and special attack are the same, you would think I big cluster of souls would be a special attacker
Onix is actually a masterpiece of design. Its design makes for a very intimidating Pokémon for children who are fighting the very first gym of the series, but its poor stats make it a very easy opponent to defeat. Basically, he is the Pokémon equivalent of fathers letting their children win a fight just to boost their self-confidence
Rock type is also both resistant to a lot of common early game types but at the same time has loads of weaknesses, including to two starter types. So it’s a perfect type for teaching new players about type effectiveness too
@@Owain9797 What you said, PLUS it has awful special (defense), meaning even if you picked Charmander as a kid, you can spam non-effective embers and still have a realistic chance of beating it.
Onix is essentially Pokémon’s Whispy Woods.
@@anthonydavid3348 honestly, I believe that Onix has an even better design than Whispy Woods, since the latter doesn't even pretend to be menacing, while Onix looks threatening, but it's actually a piece of cake, provided you picked the right Pokémon of course
@@lorenzomartinelli7665 That's a fair opinion
I'm a big fan of the theory that pokemon stats are representative of their abilities specifically in battle. For example, Latios and Latias may be able to fly as fast as jets but it would be hard to make it to top speed in the confines of a battle.
That at least makes sense
@@thedragonwarrior5861 Agreed.
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Logical.
It could also mean who's faster at attacking
For any of the attack/special attack stat facts, remember that any pokemon before Diamond and Pearl had to reflect that the physical special split hadn't happened. This is why Shedinja has high attack, ghost was physical type attacks.
This means nothing when it comes to the stats. Tons of Pokemon had high Physical or Special they couldn't use due to types being hard-locked to physical or special. Such as Flareon having an insanely high attack, but no physical STAB fire moves it could use to take full advantage of it. The Gengar line also has high special, but all the ghost moves are physical so it never gets to take full advantage of its main stat. Etc, etc.
Shedinja is introduced in Gen 3, where it had no stat changes, aside from HP, which is lowered to 1
@@Draeckon Worse was for pokemon like Crawdaunt, dual special type for a physical attacker
In german, the speed stat is called "Initiative", which describes the ability to REACT fast, not to run fast.
Also, the japanese word translates to Agility
Yeah, "speed" can be very misleading, dexterity and initiative explain it better... Though, they may not be that easy to understand at first
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Those are all different stats in dnd
I didn't know that! thank you!
DM: “roll for initiative.”
Dedenne then proceeded to roll 6 straight nat 20’s purely to assert dominance.
For speed you left out Dragonite. It has dex entries stating it can circle the globe in 16 hours (timezone changes aside to be assumed) and has multiple instances referencing this (like the mail dragonite zipping around in the first movie) yet it has a base speed of 80. This is a speed stat tied with Mamoswine, a giant Pig-Mammoth, with short thick legs.
I completely forgot about that!!! Dragonite is so fast in the anime but slow as hell in the games wtf
My main explanation for these stats is that in the dex entries it references the pokemon's max speed, not taking into account the pokemon's acceleration, and while in battle its pretty hard to accelerate for 10 seconds without being attacked.
It learns extreme speed
Goodra also has a speed stat of 80, meaning it should swim around the globe in 16 hours.
I mean
Have you seen wild boars or elephants charge? Theyre pretty fast for such chunky creatures! They have to be speedy to gore their opponents with their tusks
To put the speed of Pigiot into context, Mach 2 is the max speed of the Euro fighter Typhoon with afterburners on. Fighters normally don't fight at their max speed though. Sure the F-15 and Mig-29 have the bird beat at around Mach 2.3 and the Foxhound at nearly mach 3 but damn that bird is insanely fast.
And the F22 Raptor, widely regarded as the scariest modern jet, can SUPERCRUISE at around Mach 2.5
(I don't believe the Foxhoud actually reached Mach 3 lemme look it up real quick)
Okay i looked it up and it could TECHNICALLY reach mach 3.2 with engine damage but actually reached mach 2.8
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Speed Stat isn't entirely just how fast they move, it's more about how fast you attack. For example vikavolt is fast, but he just might need a long charge up for an attack, hence low stats in speed
That's a good theory. I just figured it was based on reaction time, meaning Pokemon that can move fast lore-wise yet have low Speed stats are either slow at processing the command, or are trying to not disobey immediately, causing a pause.
Attack and special attack are some of the least defensible ones, speed is one I think is the easiest to defend because these are combat stats being show not stats for how they move at traveling speed. A lot of super fast things are handicapped by smaller arenas and the like where turning is required more frequently
Yeah, it has always felt more like reflexes than top speed. A featherweight boxer would have a higher 'speed' stat than a sprinter because they would beat them to the punch.
The one that I also feel is misrepresented is defence, HP is the stat that determines how much damage something can take and defence is how difficult it is to land a good blow. Whether that be an evasion tank or in a full set of armour. Kartana, very tricky to hit properly but can't take much damage
Speed=Reaction Time you could say
Exactly, travel speed vs combat speed, I’ve seen this brought up a lot in power scaling discussions.
I never saw the speed stat as a Pokémon's physical speed, but rather their reaction speed in battle. So to me it makes sense that you see Pokémon like Varoom and Veluza moving at high speeds in Scarlet and Violet despite their bad speed stats; there are two different kinds of speeds in the game.
I'd say speed refers to reaction speed rather than movement speed. Diglett and Dugtrio have really good reaction speeds.
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I thought the same, but how would a move like tail wind five better reaction time? (It adds winds on your side of the field to move faster)
@@trueredpanda1538 Because it's physical reaction speed, not mental reaction speed.
@@nullpoint3346 I know, I was pointing it out tail wind to the main commentor, basicly, I thought mental speed could be the case 10 years or so ago, but obviusly, sinch I do mention tail wind, I am more then aware.
A yes hisuan braviary, a bird, reacts slower than cottone, makes sense
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Indeed, his creative pokemon ideas (like the one we're watching right now) are extremely interesting but also sometimes really useful!
This channel has been growing faster recently he’s been making videos since before I was born (im 13)
Ahh yes, how 7 YEARS flies by
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This is so true
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I was laughing for hours
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I've come to better terms with a lot of weird Speed stats once I started looking at it as a "reaction time" stat instead. This line of thinking gets much more obvious with Dugtrio, it ducks quickly back into the ground before you can hit it, like whack-a-mole.
Also explains why fat cat Purugly can outspeed jet dragons.
I was getting really annoyed also with wugtrio, because it kept outspeeding and ohkoing mega rayquaza. I feel this theory doesn't really apply, as wugtrio's heads stick out of a rock.
Especially w/ Celestela - Nothing said it didn't take time getting around to flying at high speeds.
Exactly... Speed in Pokemon is reflex .... Not moving speed...
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What I think regarding the speed stat is that it is also meant to show how fast a Pokemon can react. Explaining why rhyhorn's speed is low implying it can't react fast to incoming attacks.
So why is machamp, a Pokémon who can punch at mach speeds, a measly 50, or Decidueye who can shoot arrows faster than a blink, only at 70 speed?
i dont think, you know what the speed stat does...
@@iob321 bruh, what I said was to define the speed stat. For the instance if i didn't know what the speed stat did , i wouldn't even be on the video commenting my views. 😂😂 I think you don't know how the common sense works.
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If you can catch it, Veluza literally uses Fillet Away before attacking you (that is why there is a 2-second timer between when it notices you and attacks you)
And it does actually heal the flesh when entering battle
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@@melvondrewhite2674 they did that since Sword and Shield, almost all trade evolutions are available in the wild, those are not in the wild can be caught in the dens
@@mikekwon95 But Not In Scarlet/Violet Right ? My Point Is Where’s The Consistency ??! .. They Did It For One Game What About The Others ..
I feel like it is worth noting that speed doesn’t mean how fast you can move, it’s more how long it takes to “charge up” an attack. That’s why electrode and regieleki are so fast despite being just spheres, one is a primed bomb, and the other is just made of electricity, no “charging up” necessary, just touch ‘em and it’s used Thunderbolt.
Just want to point out that the examples you gave aren't great. In Pokeathlon, Electrode is one of the fastest pokémon (like, he can roll fast).
You've also got Pokémon like Accelgore, where it's clear that they're just able to move quickly (as shown in Pokepark 2), which is why they have such speed.
its not about attack charge its about attack response. A fast pokemon is one that can navigate and respond well to commands efficiently, HENCE electrode and Regieleki, one is litteral lightning and the other is a Sphere is an extreme ease to maneuver and orient itself as needed on a dime. meanwhile a pokemon can fly as fast as a jet plane sure, but that doesn't mean it can stop, orient itself for attack and then start moving again efficiently in a combat scenario.
My head-cannon on the "Speed" Stat, is that it's more accurate to consider it the "Mobility" or "Recovery to Attack Again" Stat. It's not actually about how fast the Pokemon's maximum distance-over-time is, but how well the Pokemon can react to things around it.
- Rhyhorn has low speed because if it attacks something, say by tackling it, it takes comparatively forever, say 10~20 seconds, to get back into a position where it can do so again.
- Vikavolt can move around quickly, but it's special attacks take time to charge up, and it's physical attacks rely on it opening and then shutting it's pincer's.
- Escavalier is in a similar position to Rhyhorn, requiring time to remove it's arm-lances from whatever they get lodged into, and, with a pair of long sticks stuck to itself, it's kind of hard to maneuverer around obstacles, such as enemies (or trees), to get into a position to properly attack your foes.
- Varoom has the issues of motor vehicles do, they're great for causing destruction via speed-based impacts, but they need a minute to reposition themselves so that they have a chance to hit you a second time.
- Veluza, same issue as with Varoom. Great vertical acceleration, poor turning capabilities.
- Wiglett & Dugtrio may live half-underground, but they are able to move around anywhere, change direction on a dime, and could theoretically, in a game with a completely unrelated set of combat mechanics, attack near constantly in combat.
This does seem to fit with your explanation, KelKav, it's just more detailed and gives more detailed descriptions.
Like rockets need time to get their max speed
Instead of 'speed' I like to use "Reaction Time". That's why Slowpoke/bro/king and Slakoth are slow. Takes a little bit for them to understand and translate lol.
That's why Psychics are generally fast: they can translate better. And electricity doesn't think, it just acts.
I think a good explanation for Rhyhorn and Escavalier’s low speed is possibly because they mainly run in straight lines. The spd stat of a Pokemon probably depends on how acrobatic it in battle.
I'm pretty sure a Pokémon's Speed stat does not equate to the speed at which they can run, fly or swim around. I think the Speed stat moreso equates to their action speed in battle, if that makes any sense. The same could actually go for all stats but Speed most of all
Yeah...reaction speed vs travel speed...a creature can definitely have one without the other.
Yeah, I've always had the thought of the stats only being battle stats. Basically the rules of the ingame game of battles.
Would also explain how Pokémon weak to water can swim in it. They aren't allergic to water, just take more damage from being splashed with it inside of the battles.
Yeah I would agree with this
@@thesecretsuspects yeah, exactly! The rules of Pokémon battles don't have to be the same as the rules of nature in the Poké-verse. I think regular water is different from water originating from Pokémon moves, which definitely has some kind of elemental magic involved which is why it can damage other Pokémon, while rain or swimming in water does not. At least, that's what I like to believe ^^'
It's reflexes, I guess, so that would mean that the cat doesn't have greater movement speed than a plane, rather it has greater reflexes since it's a cat, hence the term "cat-like reflexes."
Still doesn't excuse Vikavolt being slower than Grubbin
I have a feeling that he'll mention Vikavolt when it comes to speed. The reason why Vikavolt is so slow is because it's a railgun, which are known to be insanely slow to fire
Exactly! The Speed stats make more sense if it defines how quick it is to make a move in battle rather than travel speed in the wild. Although it looks like devs that create the pokedex entries probably just make them based off of their designs only.
Perhaps why Mantike's Special Defense is so high, is a psychological thing. It's so cute that most good people wouldn't want to hurt it and instead protect it. So therefore that is why it's so high.
Onyx makes perfect sense. It's the ace of the first boss in the game. They wanted it to be intimidating but manageable.
In that same game it's also part of the Elite 4, so...
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"Onix is so weak"
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I find ryhorn still outperforms it in little cup.
The funny thing about Pidgeot is that in Pokémon Masters, Blue is seen chasing his, saying something like “it just ran off really fast”, meaning that Blue may have run at Mach 2
Ninjask having half the defense of Nincada makes a lot of sense when you consider that it's shedding it's outer... skin? exoskeleton? I don't know what the right word is. And then that shed reanimates into Shedinja. it lost its armor to evolve, leaving it in two parts, the squishy inner bug and the hard outer shell of armor.
I think (regarding the Speed stat) that it actually represents how fast a Pokémon can't react, rather than how fast a Pokémon can move. Celesteela, for example, moves very fast, but a rocket ship probably takes some time reacting to turn and so on. That Vikavolt is so slow is still dumb, though.
I think the speed stat refers to reaction time rather than movement velocity. Celesteela for instance can move crazy fast but doesn't look like it can react in time to its surroundings
And also needs time to get it's max speed. Like real rockets
I'm pretty sure SV proves this is canon. Veluza doesn't have a particularly impressive Speed stat, iirc, but it jets at you like a bat outta hell on the overworld.
I'm positive the reason Onix's stats are what they are stems from a possibility that Onix was already decided to be included in Brock's team and had its stats balanced around this near the end of development
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@@Wailmur That’s 1 Game , Where’s The Consistency ??
Leafeon's dex entry explains why it's stronger than a rock.
Cells similar to those of plants have been found in its fur. Its hard tail can fell a large tree with one stroke, and the tail's sharpness exceeds even that of a sword crafted by a master.
Rayquaza has 95 of speed and Salamance has 100.
Simisear, Simisage and Simipour all have 101 of speed.
Laughs in Garchomp with 102 speed
Oh yeah Miltank has a higher Speed stat than Rayquaza💀
@@kamadaszn3646 No wonder Team Sky leader Mikey hates miltank...
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10:58 this one makes a lot of sense tbh. Jumpluff abuses the wind to its advantage, like the first time I saw the hoppip fly away at the speed of light by getting taken away by the wind in game.
11:00 Jumpluff is a light creature that moves with the wind, but iron treads is a heavy like elephant that is surprisingly fast.
Modern tanks like the Abrams MBT (for example) weigh something like 60 tons and have a max speed of 40mph
I subscribe to the idea that despite Corviknight’s entry mentioning it has predators, and Tinkaton’s talking about it attacking Corviknight, Tinkaton is NOT a predator of Corviknight.
Tink’s Scarlet entry describes it as having a “daring disposition,” which would imply it has a habit of doing things that are disadvantageous for it, such as pestering a stronger Pokemon, Corviknight, for no good reason.
Personally,since bird feathers can come off when a bird is startled i think Tinkaton gets the metal for its hammer by startling Corviknight and picking up the fallen metal feathers
@@subjectomicron5445 that's genius thinking
It possibly finds larges objects that it tosses at corvi which also results I fallen metal that is used as parts for a hammer
@@a1marine105 thanks but i dunno about genius,it's just common sense
I subscribe to the fact that Pokedex entries are just bullshit made up. Theres so many ridiculous examples like Magcargo and Gardevoir.
@@JayceCH. Pokédex entries being made up is actually canonized by the galar fossils- scientists made up historical backstories for them despite being accidental lab fusions that never existed in history
HP would be the amount of damage a pokémon can take (Wailord and whale blubber or Hariyama and body fat. Easy to cut or bruise, but you've got *a lot* to try and cut through before you do any meaningful damage (infections not included))
Defense would be how much damage the pokémon takes from an attack (Rock and Steel)
The Speed stat doesn't represent or map to movement speed, it's _attack_ speed. It's your quick draw in the cowboy duel, not how fast your horse runs. Higher speed just means that when you and your enemy are both making attacks with the same amount of setup/telegraphing at the same time, yours connects first.
The problem with Flareon is that Eeveelutions share the same stats but placed differently. All the others already have the 130 elsewhere but Attack. So for Flareon it was Attack obviously.
Flare on was made before the others, in gen 1
Where only 2 other stats were taken up
It could’ve gone somewhere better
My theory is that a pokemon's speed stat is it's reflexes and not the actual speed a pokemon can fly/run/swim at. It explain why Veluza and Varoom are fast outside of battle but become insanely slow in battle. It also explains Purrugly's speed stat. Purrugly is a cat and has cat-like reflexes.
I think that the Pokemon Speed Stat is actually referring to it’s reaction time rather than how fast it can move from point A to point B. Because Speed doesn’t effect if you can avoid - *outrun* - an attack, that’s dependent on Evasion. But speed DOES affect turn order, and in PLA, having a higher speed stat also effects how easily you can get off multiple turns in a row. To compare it to TTRPGs, that’s not movement speed, that’s initiative.
Huntail and Gorebyss seem to have high defense stats due to living deep underwater, where their skin and bones can withstand the extreme pressure.
Also, Nincada's and Ninjask's weird defense stats seem to be references to the life cycle of the cicada in real life. Cicada's spend like 90% of their lives as nymphs that live underground and have harder exoskeletons to protect them from predators. As adults, they only live for a few weeks (compared to years as nymphs). Ninjask's frailness seems to reference how brief an adult cicada's lifespan is, while Nincada's endurance does so for the relatively long time spent as a nymph. And then Shedinja is the leftover shell that looks alive but isn't, hence the Ghost typing and 1 HP.
Purugly is easy to explain. Like most cats, they get the zoomies.
I have a feeling Speed is just alertness like how quick they can realize it’s their turn in combat
One Pokemon left unmentioned here that has weird stats is Flamigo. It's got a BST of 500, which is the same as Mon like Alakazam, Aegislash, Wailord, and Calyrex. You can find Flamigo before you fully finish the *tutorial*.
(Oh yeah, and good job on 2,000,000 :D)
That's how just goes the power creep in every generation. For example, you could get a Shiftry before the first gym in gen 8. And then you could get for it crazy level 1 moves since reminding pokemon a move in gen 8 is 100% free.
This is why gen 9 is ridiculous. Power creep, weird or stupid designs for certain Pokémon and people and a general uncanniness to the whole thing.
@@theserpent8667 Its definitely not the best installment, but it gave me Tinkaton and Ceruledge, so I can't complain.
@@Watermelon-Pizza It does have some cool Pokémon, so I'll give you that.
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I think the reason Kartana gets a super high defense stat is the same reason swords are very strong. A paper thin blade should still hold up even though there’s not much there.
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Nincada having 90 Def while Ninjask has 45 Def makes sense if you take into account that Shedninja also has 45 Def.
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0:13 The move "Gigaton Hammer" is the weapon that augments her attack stat. Without the hammer (her move), the attack stat makes sense.
12:17 I can explain leafeon, since it’s leaves, and leaves are naturally bendable and flexible, it’s not really taking the brunt of a punch, it’s bending it’s body around the punch. 😂
Easy, crumble it
For the record, Tinkaton's hammer is made from Pawniard/Bisharp, NOT Corviknight. It's a "common knowledge" thing even Tinkaton's own dex entry (if people actually read it) states it's a DARING (risky) move for it to toss stones at Corviknight.
Nevermind that on-top of having poorer stats than the bird's defenses, Tinkaton also does not learn any super effective moves against it!
In the scarlet pokédex it says, “This intelligent Pokémon has a very daring disposition. It knocks rocks into the sky with its hammer, aiming for flying Corviknight.” I do not know where you got the information from though.
I already found some comments about this topic, but I want to share my own two cents as well.
The speed stat shouldn't misinterpreted as running velocity.
Since I'm german, I'm at a better requirement here. In german the stat is called "Initiative", which is exactly the same word in englisch. "Speed" would be translated into "Geschwindigkeit", which as total different meaning.
Especially Rhyhorn or Bouffalant are Pokemon who charge their opponents to "take down" or "Giga Impact" them. What do you think, how they could react at max speed, if they try to slow down or prevent the collision, if they need to. The Rhyhorn race might be a challenge for the Rhyhorns because the track might not be dead straight, causing them to accomplish the curves and turns, which would be a huge challenge due to their high running velocity, but low initative.
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2:36 that was a funny animation. Machamp protecting his/her kid like that was a bit cute.
I've always thought of speed in Pokémon to be closer to overall dexterity and reaction time, which would be more helpful in a battle than just running real fast. Some of these Pokémon have absolutely insane top speeds, but they can't necessarily achieve those feats of speed within what would be the equivalent time of a single turn in a Pokémon battle.
Ohhhhh dude, so many more pokemon speed stats make sense if you think of it more as a ttrpg dexterity stat. I mean, there’s still exceptions, but reframing it like that seems legit helpful.
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I think Onix needs a reginal form to be it's "True" form. Like the reason it's so weak elsewhere is that the soil has the wring elements or something.
its a limestone onix or like a basalt onix which is rock fire and an obsidian steelix which is fire steel near a volcano
Or make one of its abilities huge power, and make its attack base 60
Anime had a crystal onix. Rock fairy would fit
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Dugtrio’s Pokédex states that it can pull it head in and out of the ground at the speed of light, so 120 speed is actually lower than it should be
Dex entries aren't that trustable since they can be quite exaggerated like magcargo being hotter than the sun or tyranitar destroying mountains to make it's home
I don't think "speed" is meant to model something top speed, but rather a combination acceleration, agility, and reaction time among other things in that general umbrella. That doesn't excuse all of your examples but it does for a handful of them
Yea like escavelier makes sense cause its a bulky armoured bug holding two spears.. try doing that .. itll lower ur reaction time significantly
Then also, miltank having higher sod then rayquaza.. diglett having more sod than zekrom, reshiram and giratina
Definitely, it also explains Vikavolt, as railguns take time to charge up before firing. Travel speed does not equal fighting speed
@@Siu2444 I can accept Diglett's speed stat...that is literally its point...it is a whack-a-mole.
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An explanation that I came up with to explain the oddity of speed compared to dex entry is that it isn't straight speed but instead agility. Rhyhorn can move pretty fast in a straight line, but it can't turn quickly. Glarian Zapdos can run very fast but as seen in the chase with it it doesn't take turns easily and it must slow down to turn. Dedenne on the other hand can easily turn without losing speed.
That's just straight up the case, all most all other translations of pokemon call it something like that instead of speed.
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Well that was very interesting.
Just to clarify and redeem some - in pokemon, Speed stat seems to reflect not tthe movement speed of a species, but more of a reaction speed. Whitch means, pokemon with low spd could be really fast movers, just not too keen on correcting their move. Like then chargers charge you in the overworld, whey do it in the straight line, and if you move even a little - whey will just miss.
Its more reinforced in the battle. Its not that slow pokemon move slover and cause of that use their atack second. Its because both trainers give their command at the same time, but faster pokemon react to the command faster, and executes its move first. So, fast pokemons are basically quick thinkers.
This theory of mine are quite beaten by the existance of priority moves, so i decided to see speed stat as a combination of the pokemons actual speed and its reaction speed. Now this makes full sese, since, for example, Regieleki couldnt be as fast as lightning - it is not electricity itself, its a golem. Its still a phisical object. But cause of that its "Soul" is made of lightning, its not only fast mover but also has incredibly fast reaction. Same goes for pretty much all pokemon. Speed = is not JUST move speed. Its a combination of all of the pokemons speed qualities, such as quick thinking, strike speed, move speed, and reaction speed. So there are pokemon who are ridiculously fast movers, but cause of them having 3 other qualities very low, whey have their overall speed stat low.
The Speed stat isn't movement speed, it's attack/action speed and possibly maneuverability. This is reflected in the German translation, in which the Speed stat is called Initiative. High movement speed doesn't help much in combat if you can't quickly start, stop, or change direction.
Being agile is just that. What why Agility boosts "speed".
Wow. Initiative. That reminds of Dungeons and Dragons. Characters get the stat called dexterity. Then at the beginning of each battle, players figure out initiative. That is the order characters go in while taking turns. Each character rolls a twenty sided dice and adds their dexterity. Then the turn order goes from the highest number to lowest number. It is like speed in Pokemon except more elaborate. Dexterity is used for a lot of stuff in Dungeons and Dragons, as do the other stats. However boosting initiative stands out as the most prominent use. It can benefit all players regardless of class. Some classes do have high dexterity though, such as rogue and ranger.
Than it makes sense for genesect for example that in plane mode can only go fast in long distances. But other seem to have low speed but by lore high reflexes so it’s still seem random numbers sometimes
I guess for Murkrow and Blastoise, it being *special* attack is probably the main reason for this, since Murkrow is a black magic bird thing and special stats are often associated with magic and spiritual aspects of the Pokémon, but still….
6:53 a logical explanation could be that Vikavolt „lost“ the ability to dig through the ground, which was obviously grubbin's forte
I saw an explanation on reddit that the speed stat isn't the speed of the pokemon literally but the speed at which it executes its moves. It makes a lot more sense like that considering the moves go based on speed, i.e. who executes their move faster, not who zips around quickly. It also solves the anomaly of numerous dex entries about high travelling speeds of pokemon but slow speed stat.
fast travel isn't = fast attack ?
@Baron Geoffrey If you factor in acceleration and reaction time, then yes.
If A has spring loaded arms then it is going to punch before B even if B can move at sonic speed because if B takes 3 seconds to get to sonic speed then A has already hit it.
Unfortunately Pokémon Sword and Shield debunks this, as the speed stat of the Pokémon in the game actually determines how fast would your Pokémon follow you.....
@@jeanduresau not exactly. Remember about the picnics in generation 8, you could see Pokémons run at their canon travel speed even when some of them had really low spd stats. It was a good demonstration of that concept . Then about Pokémons following you faster depending on the stats, I guess Pokemon could improve their speed at not only striking, but also at running. Like in real life. So when we think about it, that makes sens.
The speed stuff makes some sense to me. Rather than looking at it in terms of how fast they can run or fly, it may be more about reaction time. They can move faster than they can react or they can react faster than they can move.
My family plays a table top RPG called Champions (it's a superhero game). In Champions, the speed of a character is multiplied out of combat making it so your character can fly at hundreds of miles per hour, but fights at a little over normal human speeds. That's how I see pokemon speeds; combat speed and out of combat speed.
I think in the case of Nincada, it makes sense cuz Nincada has the shell still on and it shed the shell (shedinja) to evolve into ninjask so its defense is a combination of both Ninjask and Shedinja defense (each have 45)
7:56 , It's not a racing competition, it's a walking competition.
LMAO
I think a lot of the weird speed stats are because the speed stat is in reference to their speed in _battle,_ not necessarily while they’re just chilling
Yeah, I've always had the thought of the stats only being battle stats. Basically the rules of the ingame game of battles. They're there to ensure that nothing is too outrageous.
Would also explain how Pokémon weak to water can swim in it. They aren't allergic to water, just take more damage from being splashed with it inside of the battles.
@@thesecretsuspects I actually think the water thing is because they're magic animals
They're not weak to just regular water but water magic
This would also explain why Pokemon capable of performing certain actions cannot learn moves based on the same action like Fly or Bite, they can't use their magic in that way to damage another Pokemon
Friendly reminder that Weavile can casually outspeed Mega Rayquaza and even Arceus
13:10 i dare you to brake paper thats been folded several times its bloody impossible lol
Brake steel with you hands
Mikey is finally back lol🎉
@@Ajaynintendofan he was on johns vid a week ago
Mickey is back
I thought he was getting something special for 2mill
I knew speed would be the most absurd. At this point they need to overhall the entire speed stat, and change it for basically every Pokémon. It would be good if it correlated to some real world speed metric, like mph, kmph, mps, or anything really, to keep it reasonable and comparable.
Shedinja has defensive stats
Shedinja has around 5 hp in mystery dungeon and a comically high defence as to where the regular attack always does 1 damage
I always assumed rhyhorn races were more like obstacle courses. Slow moving, but things that the rhyorn has to break and climb over.
Don’t you actually ride Rhyhorn in the games a couple times? And it’s slow as dirt, but is a walking Rock Smash TM? Like, the idea of Rhyhorns racing is MEANT to be inherently funny, and its speed stat isn’t out of place, its the punchline 😂
I personally like to imagine a psychic type setting up trick room for the races, and all the Rhyhorn breaking the sound barrier, along with their racer’s spines
@@spindash64 I am in favor of this version of rhyhorn races.
@@YukikoAimiyo
All paralyzed, all holding Macho Brace, -speed nature 0IV.
I've decided to interpret pokemon's speed stat as more of an initiative sort of thing. Like, not how fast can they run/fly etc, but how decisively they can choose to attack such that they hit an opponent before they get hit by them.
Congrats on 2M, Mikey!
My thoughts on Onix are that RBY wanted to stay true to the iconic Pokémon that the gym leaders were associated with (mostly) and couldn't think of a better way to let Brock have his Onix in the first gym than to make it that weak. I'm not excusing their poor decision-making, but it was a thought I had for a possible explanation.
I think the nincada one makes sense. I mean, when it evolves, it's outer shell becomes a seperate entity, and since it also loses its ground typing, it would have to become significantly weaker in the defense department.
Loved that Rhyhorn Race animation!
Great video!
Trapinch makes sense because it is somewhat based on the antlion and its counterpart. These two bugs dig holes in the sand. For their size, they are incredibly powerful.
indeed, though their Attack stat drops upon evolution, it gains a massive amount of Speed.......
I think speed might have something to with reflexes rather than being purely how fast you can move.
7:11 I mean to be fair the Pokédex doesn’t say that it does the maneuvers quickly
Maybe it does them in slow motion idk
0:39 just a reminder that, that was before the physical and special split, and before the split, ghost and bug were physical.
Weird they didn't balance shedinja's offence
Maybe the stats are more representative of how they do in battle/competition? Like speed for example could actually represent how fast they are right away, which would explain why some Pokémon have a lower speed stat than their dex entry describes. It can take time to build up to that dex speed, time they wouldn't have in battle.
Doesn't explain ALL the stat discrepancies, but it makes it make a bit more sense to me.
It’s crazy that after 8 months it’s still watching this video entertainment despite watching it twice lol I love MandJTV
1:42 Wouldn't flapple be a... wyrm in an apple?
That's the pun BTW. In case you never knew why it was dragon type.
I can imagine Tinkaton’s attack stat is the actual Pokémon’s strength, hence Megaton Hammer being so strong. Imagine if it’s attack stat was the hammer and then Megaton Hammer on top of that though!
Medicham gets Skill Swap now.
_PURE POWER TINKATON._
@@jorgegonzalezavila9376 Mega Mawile's little sister
@@Metaknighttheloneswordsman _flashbacks to my Tinkaton flattening Larry's Staraptor_
2:43 fun fact! Machamp can easily move mountains
Wait what
6:50 Given the shape and the English name, Vikavolt seems like it was based on the Vic Viper, which is infamous for being a super fast and hard-hitting glass cannon.
It really should have been statted that way. It already has the high special attack, but give it a higher base stat total and/or shave some defenses to make its speed 100+!
(Yes, yes, I know, the original Japanese name is Kuwagannon and does not reference the Vic Viper, but the shape of it sure does.)
Also 16:00 I am pretty sure Onix is so bad because it's Brock's ace. It was statted less for good use and more to be the first/tutorial boss of the game that makes you pay attention to things like type matchups and physical and special defenses. Someone brand new to RPGs could take some time figuring out how it works because its low attack makes it less likely to take out your random Pidgeotto or Pikachu.
It sounds like they had always intended to make an Onix evolution and so gave Onix the stats of something that isn't fully evolved.
Grats on the 2 Mil subs! This is the Pokemon channel I consistently watch throughout the course of a year cause the content here is always amazing. You definitely deserve the sub count and hopefully it continues to grow (^_^)
To the Speed-Stat.
I never thought of it meaning the "literal" speed they could reach.
In my native language, the speed stat is called "initiative" which fits more in the sense of not meaning the literal travel speed but instead the ability to attack first.
I like to think of speed more as reaction time. Like, you can react faster that’s why you attack first, instead of literally being fast.
9:59 is exactly what i say when someone brings up my ex.
I’ve been sick for a bit and have a extremely sore throat and when I laugh it hurts but it was so worth it in between 10:10 - 10:55 “is this hamster the flash?!” And “how fast is this hamster?!!” Was hilarious to me thank you Mikey for brightening my day
9:53
Your mortal enemy is our mortal enemy