I recently flew to Utah from Reno to buy a used 2021 F-350. I was so lucky to have seen this video before I went and even luckier that the truck was in Orem, so I was able to take it to Dave’s for an inspection BEFORE I wrote the check!! I got a great truck and Dave’s was an integral part of my buying decision!! Thanks so much to your team. Awesome service!
Its definitely what everyone should do but it's not always easy. You have to work it out with the seller to bring to a mechanic or you have to get a mechanic to come look at.
I've refused to buy cars where an owner gets upset, or annoyed, or refuses to let me take it to a mechanic. It may be perfect, in price and appearance/sound but I want someone who knows what they are doing looking at it... and to get it on a lift.
I’ve been in the automotive industry for more than 30 years, and the checklist Dave has put together is fantastic! It is thorough and comprehensive, but more than anything; ITS FREE! That is my favorite thing in the world, free knowledge! Thank you to everyone who helped put the list together and make it available, FOR FREE!!!!! God bless and thank you Dave!!!
@@jimmuehlberg2153 most folks know that when they are given something, there is always a cost. In this case, I’m sure that Dave sells the info he gets off this, as well as his website, because that’s a source of income.
“Yea I drove an F-350 with no power brakes at 85mph”. You share the road with these people. People like this are driving next to your wife and kids. Unbelievable.
From my experience, people don't get rid of a diesel truck unless the truck is having problems. Need to take the approach when looking at a diesel truck of what are the problems.
There are always the people that have to get the newest model everytime they come out with the new model year I have 2 uncles that keep their trucks immaculate and when the new model year comes out they sell that one and get the new one !!
Idk about this one. There are many people that drive for two or 3 years, then sell it while it still has 'good' resale value - like 100k miles and a few years old are gonna get much better price than 200k+ and 5+ years old. Another one who buy a new vehicle sooner are large businesses that need to spend money in order to not pay out the @_s in taxes to Uncle Sam.. There's alot of 2 year leasees that get a new one every 2 years like clock work. I don't think the statement of diesel truck buyers keep their truck forever unless they're selling it to get rid of their problems are that factual. Just ask questions, pay attention to the vehicle -in it, under it, fenders, trunks, unmatched paint, etc, and if you don't know what to look for pay someone to come with you or take it to a shop. Don't trust someone who wants to sell you something for thousands or tens of thousands of dollars and not be weary of the products condition! Do your due diligence people! It's your money your giving away to a stranger who may or not be 100% trustworthy! 👍🏻👌🏻 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸✊🏻
True this guy is a money mak8ng machine. He don't give a crap. If he did he wouldn't own a giant business. There are lot of guys out there that really care about customers. Usually they have small shops and give a lot.
I have rejected many vehicles based on one thing. Coolant quality. And the color of the contents of the overflow tank. That needs to be in your checklist.
Dave you’re such a humble guy. I can directly see the pain you sure feeling with your customer. This is a very rare gift as customers feel safe in unknown territory and like to be treated that way. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Germany.
Also what plays a big role here is the sunk cost he already had, with the flight etc. before even seeing the car. It literally makes you overlook problems, because of the time and money already invested...
I just bought a 2013 Mercedes C63 AMG here in Australia. The pre purchase inspection ($550) highlighted some issues I was comfortable with having to deal with post purchase since the price was OK. Known issues with that M156 engine are that cam lobes wear on the intake cams and the Cam adjuster locking plate pin hole can elongate causing chatter on start up just prior to oil pressure making it quiet. There is no chatter on dead cold start so that's a good sign and the evidence is that oil changes have been fairly regular. The transmission is a bit of a pig when cold. Harsh downshifts is one symptom. Could be the wet clutch or the transmission needs a seal kit. Not a huge deal. The original owner (I'm now the 3rd) removed the two secondary cats and did a dog of a job welding in straight pipes in place of those cats which is illegal so I have to fix that before I can get it licensed here in the state I live. From Mercedes to replace the affected exhaust sections is $11,000 and they have to come from Germany. Yeah that is eye watering but I'm chasing second hand bits now. The idle is a bit variable and points to an intake manifold vacuum air leak. The valve covers are leaking oil and require new gaskets which is an easy fix. Being a project car there is no rush and I am prepared to spend about $15,000 on fixes and still be inside its true value with respect to what I paid for it.
I had no idea you even existed until I saw your facebook post calling for calm after the assination attempt and now I am following you regularly from Canada
Dave’s channel is the first one I’ve sent to all my friends who are interested in mechanics. He is the most interesting knowledgeable and experienced person I’ve seen on UA-cam. I like that he doesn’t swear in his videos so I can let my grandsons watch these with me. Very cool guy. I’ve lost more sleep since finding him because it’s time so well spent that I watch them way into the night.
I think that’s the reason why so many people aren’t buying used cars anymore. There are no guarantees and the lack of social trust makes everything even worse. BUT, thank you very much for the checklist!!! One of my family friends tried to buy a used car with only 12k miles on it (2023 Subaru crosstrek) and only did so because the used car dealer had warranty on that used car for up to 2 years (100k miles).
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood That’s the excuse I hear from many folks nowadays. For younger folks with little credit history, we need a co-signer for a new car or we’re stuck looking for a modest used car at an affordable price.
I drive a daily 1985 Mercedes Benz 300Sd- 5 cyl in-line Turbo diesel- appx 320,000 MI. Starts instantly, 1/2 to 1 compression stroke. Oil change every 2500 mi w/ liqui Molly Syn Oil. Runs like new. 😊
I also drive a Benz odometer stopped at 208 around 7 years ago still runs great only problems have been fuel leaks, fuel shutoff replaced for $25 best car I've had
People sometimes get excited or fall in love with cars and don't want to find anything bad. My sister bought a used Toyota. She was crazy about that car, but got mad at me because I checked the vitals first instead of getting all giddy about it. I noticed it had plenty of oil but almost no oil pressure at idle and maybe 15-20 psi at speed. I told her to take it back ASAP. She got pissed at me for picking on her car. She called the guy about the low oil pressure and he told her everything was fine. He said it was bad gauge and he just never got around to replacing it, but not to worry because his wife had been driving it for a year like that. She took his word over mine and a short time later the engine spilled it's guts on the highway.
Expensive lesson right there! How dare you pick on your sisters car like that? You just don't like her Honda? 😂😅 I bet she still doesn't believe you either right? 👍🏻👌🏻🤔 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸✊🏻
This! When you go to look at a car, go with the intention of not wanting to buy it. If everything looks good and checks out, then let the car itself talk you into buying it. I know that sounds silly, but the car will tell you if it's been neglected or ridden hard if you look and listen to it.
There's so many weather damaged vehicles of all types landing on the used car market that come out of the south,it's almost to the point where the consumer needs to ignore the ads entirely.
I thought more weather damage would generally come from the north, extreme cold and salted roads; Unless you live near the coast, where the air itself is salted moistness.
@@MrDavidfuchser Vehicles in the rust belt take a lot longer to rot away,but,once they're done,there's no selling them. It's off to the crusher because the damage is so obvious. With flood damaged cars,it's not so obvious which makes having them checked out before you buy them is so vitally important. People have no qualms with jerking someone around.
Dave is literally a Doctor in the automotive world. Most folks call it "bearing material", but like a neurosurgeon calling it "brain matter", Dave says "bearing matter". Dave here, and Eric from South Main Auto are my two favorite automotive diagnosticians.
Had my truck checked by a Ford dealership. Ended up with a truck that burned 1qt every 250 miles. Had a roof leak. And had a defective cluster. Truck was treated by selling dealer for the oil burn which was prob a cleaner in the oil and truck developed a very faint Knock. Well. 10k later that knock is starting to get louder. Albiet the recent sudden decline seemed to be triggered by valvoline R and P. Which leads me to believe the timing chain tensioners had gunk helping hold oil pressure which has now been removed leaving the oil pressure to bleed off giving me my hot idle knock. Prob same deal with cleaning process, removed some of that 200k gunk that was holding oil pressure in the timing tensioner gaskets. My theory goes. Already has some piston slap so prob not gonna fix anything and pop for a junkyard motor when she goes. Running motorkote with mobil 1 high mileage full synthetic 10w 40 seems to do magic for the noises I must say.
He probably bought it on Facebook marketplace or Craigslist beaters. LOL. Don't ever buy a power joke diesel with 180 thousand miles on it. That's engine time. LOL. Best wishes to that sucker
@@TonicofSonic the inspection was only as good as the person doing it! Factory trained means there's at least one person who has passed the test the manufacturer gives. The other people haven't had to take that test. I saw this in a Bobcat dealership. Main bobcat guy quits. Service writer scrambles and takes the test. Shop was compliant once again!
@@rommelrommel1 I hope that is the case because being 4.5 quarts low in a 13 quart system, that also reserves a good amount of engine oil for the fuel injection system, would definitely cause a rod bearing to fail.
Pre purchase inspection is a must for all used vehicles, especially high mileage. That owner was rolling the dice. You always inherit the previous owner's nightmares
I’m in a different country but when I bought a 2016 Escalade 7 months ago, I took it to the best shop in town known for PPI and it cost me the equivalent of $215 and they ran all kinds of tests, body, chassis, drivetrain, electronics, even a 15 minute road test to check every system on the car. They gave it an excellent score. $215 for inspection is nothing when I was going to spend $35k on the car. I bought the car and even when I went to the dealer for service they couldn’t find anything wrong with it.
@@User43776 Thanks! Actually, I disabled the AFM as soon as I bought it. It sounds quite for now and I change oil at have the interval suggested by the manufacturer. Hope that will help.
I just found your channel and love it. It amazes me how many people will pawn a vehicle off on an unknowing buyer knowing full well it has major issues. I really don't know how people sleep at night knowing they screwed somebody.
I bought a 07 Silverado from a used car lot that got it from a loan repo this truck has all the afm components taken out with a summet racing delete kit in it the dealer ship didn't know this so i got it for 8,000 with 140,000 miles on it and this truck runs beautifully i changed the oil and transmission fluid when i first brought it home and that was about 2800 miles ago and the oil still looks brand new also it doesn't burn a drop of oil
Geez Dave what an awful situation for this customer to be in!😢! The seller is a rat! However, the customer made themselves vulnerable to rats like this. Good on ya for making up your checklist mate!😊 I'm in Australia but I'm sure your used vehicle checklist would be just as valuable down here!
Dave you’re a true master at your craft! You need to write a book for people who could use pointers on maintaining their vehicles as well as buying vehicles. Oh and fyi, the guy who bought the truck in Texas, he might be protected under the Texas lemon law which prohibits people from selling crappy vehicles to others.
Don't buy a vehicle near the USA Mexican border. I'm a truck driver, I see wrecked vehicles all the time headed to Mexico for rebuilding. We call them Mexican road trains.
A few other valid inspection checks. 1- Check for heavy frame rust (northern vehicle). 2- Check for the catalytic convertor and not a "test pipe" if you have state emissions testing. 3- invest in a cheap scan tool that shows PID's so you can see the last time the codes were cleared and or how many miles and drive cycles it has since the last time the codes were cleared.
A good mechanic like this listening to an engine then doing a good inspection reminds me of an old guy I had come over to tune a piano I bought. He looked, smelled, / inspects carefully and smiles and says it's telling you it's life story, you just have know the language and be willing to listen.
Try to drive an F350 long distance without power brakes? Inspecting the oil filter without cutting it and concluding there's no sparklies in there? The only smart thing this dude did was take it to Dave.
@@tsundere-.- I know! That line cracked me up too, but then again, I had a mother-in-law who claimed that she was "sort of an engineer".... You gotta love'm
Reminds me of my own situation. I just bought a 2001 24v Cummins nv5600 for 7k . Drove home no issues went to take it for a spin the next day and the trans locked up on me! Brought it to several different shops about 1800$ later in tows and diagnostic’s only to be told it will be a 6k+ repair!! So I pulled truck from most recent shop and there’s saying I owe them 2k for parts they already ordered. Just figured I’d share my story because I am certainly in a tough spot. Been bumming rides from friends to go to work recently. Hoping my luck will change!
@@mxerb5912 it’s a 2wd truck unfortunately so values never going to be all that high, haven’t had any bites when trying to sell on marketplace either. Also I’ve sorta committed to selling the truck to the shop as there trying to dick me around for the time and parts they’ve ordered so far (the parts were ordered without my knowledge) just trying to cut my losses, take the 3000$ loss, call it a lesson and find something a bit newer.
Good morning, Dave [Oz time] I have been following you on the shorts and this is my first full video. I am loving the way you look at the problem. Looking forward to seeing the next episode on this chap's vehicle. Cheers
Thanks for the checklist, Dave! I've already let my friends know to scope it out for themselves. Having a thorough list to go by sure makes the car buying process less unpredictable! I'm happy with my most recent used car purchase, but I also have to admit I lucked out a bit. 203k miles at sale, and all I've needed to replace was coilovers an alternator, battery, exhaust (from the cat on back) and an oil pan, aside from regular maintenance. Not bad for four+ years worth of driving an old hoopty!
Several years back, I replaced my work truck that got stolen. Vehicle prices here in Hawaii is outrageously high. USED Superduty in upwards of $70k - $80k . I found a very reasonably priced F350 online in Oregon. Not being able to get eye, ears and hand on the truck personally, I hired a local mechanic through a service provider to inspect the truck for me. He generated a inspection report, and took pictures. The service provider has a list of participating mechanics in every city. Each mechanic has a bio page listing their expertise. I feel it was a very minimal cost to hire the service to prevent me from purchasing a problem. If you purchasing in you home state / city. The mechanic can meet you at the location of the vehicle and do the inspection. Could be helpful in the negotiating process.
@@earlwright9715 negotiated with the dealer to include the ground transport from Oregon to San Diego in the vehicle price. And was fortunate to have a family discount on the ocean leg, roughly $1,500
Weather diesel or gas putting out this list is OUTSTANDING. I have worked on my own vehicles since is was 14 teen ( I am 56 now ) and the complexity of the vehicles in just the last 8 years is staggering . Now the processes to fix them have not changed , it's the support structure required to fix these cars. Engine hoist evacuation systems and recovery fluid systems just to name a few.
Its scary to buy used diesel truck. You really need to see its history of service. If you find one that goes to the dealership for service all the time, thats a plus
Funny thing, my first diesel, a 2003 Dodge Ram 3500, 5.9 CR Diesel, 120k miles, had service records of being serviced at a dealership its entire life. The reason why it was at auction, it would start, idle for about 30 seconds, and shut down, and then it wouldn't restart for another 20 minutes or so. I ended up getting it for 9k. Turned out that the fuel filter was completely clogged, despite having records of frequent fuel filter changes at the dealership. Truck ran well enough, but it did smoke a little under full load, so I ended up replacing the high pressure pump, the fuel injectors, and the injector feed tubes. Since I was already under the valve cover, I went ahead and replaced the head bolts with ARP studs, even though it had, and still has, stock tune. My point is, we anticipate that the dealership is the best place for service, but it still happens where people pay for a service they never receive
@@vivillager I don't trust that dealerships or jiffytype places actually do what they say. i do my own maintenance to be sure i'm using the best and correct stuff
I flew from MN to Dallas TX this past Jan to buy a 2017 Roadtrek campervan. Had less than 7,000 miles. I checked it over for flood damage and everything else. I had a cheap scan tool I brought and found no codes. Drove back home just fine in 2 days and we've been using it with no problems. Even though dealer changed the oil before I bought it, I changed it along with the on board generator oil when I got back. Normally I wouldn't buy something that far away but this one was exactly what I was looking for. I guess I consider myself a bit lucky.
I learned my lesson I mean it sucks to be paying monthly for a truck but I’ve been done dirty all to many times So buy a new vehicle and pay it off and then you’ll have all the history for your vehicle because you’ll be the only owner and never sell it lol till the wheels fall off baby !!😅
Yep, Exactly What i'm doing ! i Bought My 1999 Dodge Ram cummins diesel New. i'm the Original owner. 210,000 miles. Zero Blowby. Oil changes every 3- 5,000 miles. Just Had the Entire Front suspension Replaced , all new Kyb shocks & All New: Callipers rotors pads drums & shoes Rides Like a New Truck Now !
One thing i noticed. Rarely Daves shop has to do engine work on a Toyota or a Honda. That should tell everyone they are the vehicles you want to purchase.
I learned to build diesels because of a similar story. I asked Motorcraft/Ford to help because their new part destroyed a good engine. Got no help. Did everything myself and now I have a diesel that would make Henry Ford jealous. Mechanical engineers survive on their own. I’ll never ask another person/company for assistance with a vehicle.
I bought a car years ago and i checked everything as well & eve went for a test ride and beat on it a little to make sure the engine and transmission was good , hours later driving home it started overheating 🙃. I drove it like that for 7 months until the motor stopped 😂. Then I bought another engine and swapped it & sold it
Our last three vehicles, it seems we've just been downright lucky, as we've had awesome luck with these 3 vehicles. First was an F450 out of a used dealer in Houston tx., had all the options I wanted, was a 4X4 King Ranch. Flew from the west coast here in Canada, to Houston, drove it home, and it ran perfect. Drove it for several years before buying a Tiffin Phaeton motorhome (sold the 2012 6.4 Diesel F450 as it wasn't needed for our camper then) and also bought the towable with the motorhome (Honda CRV) which we've had zero issues now the last 5 years. Had to repair one slide on the coach after a couple of years, but anything else has been minimal that I can do myself. After driving my wife's Nissan Altima, I decided to buy a used 2016 F150 4X4 XLT with the 3.5 Eb, as I missed sitting up higher when I drive a truck, and in the 4 years I've owned it (now at 138,000 miles) and other than a throttle body I put in myself, it's ran flawlessly, and on a solo photography trip last summer it was showing 23.4 mpg, albeit it drops in town, but I've had great luck with these three vehicles really, so I thought I'd mention it, as it's now always bad to buy 'preowned' vehicles, especially if you can fix the little things yourself. I do all my own oil, filter & lube myself on them all, and buy quality products. Motorhome gets an oil change annually, and all other vehicles oil changed at 5K.
My son just bought a used Ford F-150 2022 5.0 litres from the dealership same thing with him the engine needs a complete overhaul ridiculous they didn’t even check is before they sold it that was an issue long time before it was resold. It’s been in garage since June 12 th due to the hack for parts didn’t help things.
180K on a Ford PowerSmoker is pretty high mileage, I'd guess it's a good possibility of it being the 3rd or more engine in that truck. We had 2 F-550's and the 1st blew up at 30K, the 2nd just out of warranty, we traded in the one that had the engine replaced as the warranty expired and we have Dodge Ram's now with no complaints on the Cummins Engines...
No way would a properly maintained 6.7 blow in 30K! If you were saying it was a 6.0 or 6.4, then maybe/probably. My Job 1 '11 had about 160K when it went down the road with a new owner and had zero problems in the 13 years of ownership - same as every other F250/350 diesel owner that I know
Give me a break, they had to cut open the oil filter to see the metal. That's not going to happen when you buy the truck. Most of the time, if the truck is running and doesn't have any odd noises, you're good to go.
@@devilmonkey Ya what the hell you think happened?? On its way out?? Almost but not quite on its way out when he sold it to him?? It probably spun a bearing on the freeway, but why was it so low on oil in the first place??
Yes, then you have to compare to what you could have purchased with $40-45K instead. But at least this way, the customer is going to know that they have a solid, properly-remanufactured engine in their truck. Buying anything used with close to 200K miles on it, you have really no idea if that engine has another 2, 200, 2000, or 200K miles left to go before something like this happens. So there is an upside to this, if you look at it a certain way. At least he found a shop that won't rip him off!
Hola 👋 señor Dave!!! What a nightmare!!! But I know it will be a great episode where we get to see the excellent quality service of your shop …we hope to see the whole video soon…Saludos!!!👋😃👋
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville Gracias 🙏 señor Dave for taking some of your very busy time to reply back to my comments sometimes I don’t want to leave a comment because I receive a lot of death threats messages back but that’s okay that’ll not stop me from watching your great content and like I said before you are the best in the west!!!👋😃👋Saludos!!!!
I bought one car sight unseen. I learned that lesson the hard way, thank god it was only on a 3k$ car and not like 20k+. Look over it with a fine tooth comb, and if you don’t know what your looking at, don’t let your ego get in the way of bringing it to people who do and spend a few bucks to make sure your spending your money wisely.
Dave! We the viewers absolutely love the way you work and your bedside manner. I wonder if you could recommend a service center in western North Carolina?
Thank you for asking. I don't have any recommendations for you at this time. But I am going to work on compiling that. Appreciate yiur thoughts and you being a valuable member of this community.
Can't go wrong for $1.99. That info is worth alot more then $1.99. He should be charging $49.99 for that info. Dave thank you for what you do to help others
Would be great to hear, when all is said and done and this guy is back on the road, how much a repair like this costs? For some of us, an $70-$90k new diesel truck is just not an option, so we are left to buy used. If we can factor in a future $15k, $20k, $30k engine replacement when purchasing a high mileage truck, then it would go a long way to informing us on how much to pay for it in the first place. Thx Dave, You Rock!
Good question. I generally don't quote prices on a video because the video will be out for years. But our current prices and products can be found on our website at davesengines.com. Appreciate you watching our videos.
Wow that sucks. Feel horrible for the buyer and madder than heck at the dirtbag seller. Buyer BEWARE, Especially with all of the flooding that's been happening. Looking forward (as always) to the follow up.
my coworker bought a f150 from the dealer 2020. with in 5 months he has his cluster fail, radio die, media computer go out, door locks stop working, windows quit roling down and his rear axle exploded, and transmission slipping. he had no warranty at 110K miles. my other coworker bought at 23 vw. he has had his cluster shut off randomly and loose all gages, and his head gasket blow up. 8K miles.
These guys do this for a living. They know what the R&R costs as well as a new motor build. I highly doubt the knowledge of cost from a different builder matters much.
You have a good point. I've known shops where I wouldn't mention estimates either. I don't know Dave, but every indication I've seen shows he's a straight shooter. I'm guessing he will inspect everything in great detail and charge the market rate for what's needed to make it run like new, but it still won't be cheap.
I buy REALLY used cars all the time. The first thing I do is check the fluids. After I drive ten miles, I check them again, and again after a hundred miles to be sure the vehicle is not going to grenade on the way home. I just bought one that uses a quart of oil every one hundred miles! I plan on replacing the motor with a junkyard motor and feel I still got a good deal.
I grew up in a family very involved with cars and motorcycles, I've done a lot of repair work, done tech school classes, worked in a shop doing heavy duty work, and have a great working knowledge of gas and diesel. That being said, I still have paid my buddy to put the last few vehicles I've looked at purchasing up on the lift, hooked up to a scanner, and do an inspection. Being able to have the vehicle up on the lift, having an advanced scan tool looking at the live data and having a second set of experienced eyes looking at them is well worth the money I force him to take.
If that is a 2011 through 2015 it's the first-gen 6.7L engine. I have the second-gen version (2017 here) and it is SSSOOO much more reliable. The big weak spot is the CP4 high-pressure fuel-pump. I use OptiLube XL and have just over 200,000 miles on mine, but using ultra-low sulfur diesel with no lubricity additive can have them fail in the first 30,000 miles. The first-gen 6.7 had bad turbos, the CP4, and more that could go wrong. How did you know the metal shavings were from a bearing and not a failed CP4? Just based on the knock?
Sad what happened. But I will say he sounds like a fantastic and understanding customer, those are the best customers to deal with. Hopefully the rest of the truck is in great shape...
This isn’t Mechanical related but I had a Customer (I’m a Car Detailer) who wanted me to check over the paint, I use a DeFelsko Gauge. Tesla’s are usually around 3.5 - 4.8 mils..right hand side rear panel, passenger/Drivers door was between 18 - 22 mils..this was an eye opener. (To say the panels had been filled was an understatement) I see this so often, yes it’s not Mechanical and probably won’t affect the cars performance but it’s just wrong in my view..These Stealerships couldn’t lie straight in bed some of them.
I could be this guy!! My 2011 F350 is pushing 300k, with worn out body mounts and a list of electrical annoyances probably all related to the ecm/ecu?? Not sure. I keep entertaining buying a newer one, but this video makes me want to fix the odds and ends on mine and just keep driving it. Plus I hate having too much money tied up in depreciating assets!! Thanks Dave!
That's one thing that drives me nuts about this channel. They post all these teaser videos showing the engines broken or blowing smoke then there's no follow up to it.....just leaves us hanging! I realize this is a very busy shop & business but we need more follow up happy ending videos with the engines being put back together and then purring away after assembly & testing! 👍🏻👌🏻 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸✊🏻
Great checklist, Dave. Ironically, the last two items on your list are my first two questions when I arrive to look at a used vehicle. If there's no clear title then everything else is a waste of time. 2nd from last is maintenance records. This is where Carfax comes in handy. if there's no documentation of oil changes then I have to assume they weren't done in a timely fashion and I'll move on to the next vehicle.
@@ctquicksilver the guy who he bought it from made out like a bandit and got top dollar for a truck on borrowed time lol. Super shitty for the new owner. I would be so pissed.
@@samuelvandyke1824 unless you have a spare $25,000 on hand at all times to spend on a diesel, you’re better off with a gasser.. the cost to fix anything on modern diesels is outrageous.
That’s what you get for buying a Ford product. I’ve been a tech for 26 years, and the amount of times I’ve done “pre purchase” inspections for people and and found major issues is astounding. What’s even crazier is most of the time when I’d tell the customer to take it back and not to buy it, they’d say, “well I already bought it!” 🤦🏼♂️
He has many videos with cummins engines with the same issue. Hate it for you that you never left middle school with your diehard brand loyalty. Hate it to hell for you guys @@MissilemanIII
My 6.0 power stroke over haul was about 10,500 parts alone with machine shop costs. Labor was me. They are not cheap and you only want to use motor craft or ford parts. Injectors alone cost me $1800
Dave, you should offer some way for your viewers to help people like this poor guy. Maybe some merchandise that we could buy that proceeds could be donated to help with such a monumental cost? Or even a go fund me? I'd like to help some of these people and I guarantee I'm not the only one.
@scottgordon3669 It’s commendable that you want to help fund an engine replacement on an F-350, but who’s going to help you when you’re vehicle is in need of major repairs and you’re not at Dave’s Auto Center in Centerville, UT???
Very kind of you. We are wondering about helping out people besides our charity work. Thank you for watching and being a valuable member of this community
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville I love your videos, I do wish you put links to longer format videos in your video shorts so, we your viewers, could find the follow up or continuation of the shorts you post! Also, I’m not knocking on people who want to help another person out with money for engine work, but you’re just one shop in the entire country, are you going to be able to do that with every customer and just how many other good shops in this country would even entertain that kind of help?
Looks like an oil field truck. I hear they get used pretty hard, not serviced well (if at all), and get dumped at the first sign of serious trouble. Have seen with my own eyes that they're driven hard, and they are the classic "company truck." By the time the guy pays for a new engine he'll be 'way upside down. Damn shame.
I bought a 49 Chevy pickup and I didn't really look it over and gave the guy 800 bucks. So I drove it home, no problem. Next time I wasn't so lucky, some how the fan blade cut the top radiator hose and that's when I noticed the whole problems coming. The engine was a Chevy 6 inline. There were No motor mounts and the transmission was just sitting in there. The engine was sitting on an old leaf spring. I fixed the motor mounts. Never fixed the transmission mounts and sold it for what I bought it for. It always had a dead short so I would unhook the battery when it sat.
I recently flew to Utah from Reno to buy a used 2021 F-350. I was so lucky to have seen this video before I went and even luckier that the truck was in Orem, so I was able to take it to Dave’s for an inspection BEFORE I wrote the check!! I got a great truck and Dave’s was an integral part of my buying decision!! Thanks so much to your team. Awesome service!
I'm an old guy who can spot an honest man very quickly. I offer that Dave is an honest man !!
yyuupp .....reckon
And I take your offer of Dave is an honest man and raise you Dave is a con artist.
Ask the dying old man he scammed out of his engine.
You should see his rotor video
Oh, he's honest, absolutely, but not cheap. Their work looks to be second to none.
Back when I was a mechanic, I was shocked by how many people would buy a vehicle PRIOR to bringing it to us check over! Lots of horror stories.
PPi means
PRE purchase inspection 😂
So many crooked mechanics a lot of people don’t want to because they don’t know who to trust… I’m grateful I know what to do to check it over myself.
Its definitely what everyone should do but it's not always easy. You have to work it out with the seller to bring to a mechanic or you have to get a mechanic to come look at.
Yup
I've refused to buy cars where an owner gets upset, or annoyed, or refuses to let me take it to a mechanic. It may be perfect, in price and appearance/sound but I want someone who knows what they are doing looking at it... and to get it on a lift.
I’ve been in the automotive industry for more than 30 years, and the checklist Dave has put together is fantastic! It is thorough and comprehensive, but more than anything; ITS FREE! That is my favorite thing in the world, free knowledge! Thank you to everyone who helped put the list together and make it available, FOR FREE!!!!! God bless and thank you Dave!!!
The best advice is to stay away from Diesels, period! I bet that's not on his list.
Well, it's not really "Free". Dave gets your email and phone number!
@@jimmuehlberg2153 most folks know that when they are given something, there is always a cost. In this case, I’m sure that Dave sells the info he gets off this, as well as his website, because that’s a source of income.
it's actually $2, but close to free. I just wish I could download it right away after I pd for it :(
@@texassquarebody6119 Dude these diesel guys give me literal anxiety. If someone told me 35k, I would tell him please just fucking kill me instead.
“Yea I drove an F-350 with no power brakes at 85mph”. You share the road with these people. People like this are driving next to your wife and kids. Unbelievable.
Dumb enough to buy a super duty sight unseen and not even bother to even check the oil before heading home...
Average vehicle owner. @@bladedspokes
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Yep, says it all..Idiots everywhere!!
@@bladedspokes Seller laughed all the way to ATM/bank. SMH
Yeah and they own guns, run businesses and vote... smh.
From my experience, people don't get rid of a diesel truck unless the truck is having problems. Need to take the approach when looking at a diesel truck of what are the problems.
This is true for almost all vehicles except for the midsize SUV and family size cars that trophy wives trade in for next years facia.
Yep. usually that's true !
Maybe Financial Problems could drive a sale too.
Especially these days with all the emissions systems alone.
There are always the people that have to get the newest model everytime they come out with the new model year I have 2 uncles that keep their trucks immaculate and when the new model year comes out they sell that one and get the new one !!
Idk about this one. There are many people that drive for two or 3 years, then sell it while it still has 'good' resale value - like 100k miles and a few years old are gonna get much better price than 200k+ and 5+ years old. Another one who buy a new vehicle sooner are large businesses that need to spend money in order to not pay out the @_s in taxes to Uncle Sam.. There's alot of 2 year leasees that get a new one every 2 years like clock work. I don't think the statement of diesel truck buyers keep their truck forever unless they're selling it to get rid of their problems are that factual. Just ask questions, pay attention to the vehicle -in it, under it, fenders, trunks, unmatched paint, etc, and if you don't know what to look for pay someone to come with you or take it to a shop. Don't trust someone who wants to sell you something for thousands or tens of thousands of dollars and not be weary of the products condition! Do your due diligence people! It's your money your giving away to a stranger who may or not be 100% trustworthy! 👍🏻👌🏻
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Man I wish all mechanics cared as much about the customer as Dave.
Dave is excited. He's going to make $10K dollars profit off of a Craigslist beater power joke diesel. LOL
True this guy is a money mak8ng machine. He don't give a crap. If he did he wouldn't own a giant business. There are lot of guys out there that really care about customers. Usually they have small shops and give a lot.
Yup. I know a big shop owner. The only thing he cares about is money. Dont even appreciate the mechanics making him rich.@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast
Money keeps Dave caring 😂
@@Nathang2233his reviews are 4.1 stars out of 5, I don’t see what your point is.
I have rejected many vehicles based on one thing. Coolant quality. And the color of the contents of the overflow tank. That needs to be in your checklist.
When I buy a new truck. First thing I do is change to waterless antifreeze. Especially a diesel
Dave you’re such a humble guy. I can directly see the pain you sure feeling with your customer. This is a very rare gift as customers feel safe in unknown territory and like to be treated that way. Keep up the good work.
Greetings from Germany.
I appreciate that
Also what plays a big role here is the sunk cost he already had, with the flight etc. before even seeing the car. It literally makes you overlook problems, because of the time and money already invested...
You could put that money + time off work+ travel back expense to spend s few more on something locally!
“Inspect the car, or you won’t go far”
"Dont inspect the truck,if you dont give a
If you don’t know about transportation, come do business at my station
@@maxokream6269 ..not bad.
I just bought a 2013 Mercedes C63 AMG here in Australia. The pre purchase inspection ($550) highlighted some issues I was comfortable with having to deal with post purchase since the price was OK. Known issues with that M156 engine are that cam lobes wear on the intake cams and the Cam adjuster locking plate pin hole can elongate causing chatter on start up just prior to oil pressure making it quiet. There is no chatter on dead cold start so that's a good sign and the evidence is that oil changes have been fairly regular. The transmission is a bit of a pig when cold. Harsh downshifts is one symptom. Could be the wet clutch or the transmission needs a seal kit. Not a huge deal. The original owner (I'm now the 3rd) removed the two secondary cats and did a dog of a job welding in straight pipes in place of those cats which is illegal so I have to fix that before I can get it licensed here in the state I live. From Mercedes to replace the affected exhaust sections is $11,000 and they have to come from Germany. Yeah that is eye watering but I'm chasing second hand bits now. The idle is a bit variable and points to an intake manifold vacuum air leak. The valve covers are leaking oil and require new gaskets which is an easy fix. Being a project car there is no rush and I am prepared to spend about $15,000 on fixes and still be inside its true value with respect to what I paid for it.
😂good one everyone 👍
Check the stats. Never. Never. Never buy a vehicle in the south unless you can verify it was never flooded.
Stats?
@@Peterswarahed google.
I say never buy a vehicle from the north full of rust. I live in az and people come from other states to buy one's here
I just bought a 92 Camaro, two owner car, been in Austin it's whole life, not a speck of rust.
@@petershaver5006 I just made pancakes.
I had no idea you even existed until I saw your facebook post calling for calm after the assination attempt and now I am following you regularly from Canada
Dave is a master mechanic. He's the best I've ever seen anyway
Hes a straight up guy!
Dave’s channel is the first one I’ve sent to all my friends who are interested in mechanics. He is the most interesting knowledgeable and experienced person I’ve seen on UA-cam.
I like that he doesn’t swear in his videos so I can let my grandsons watch these with me. Very cool guy. I’ve lost more sleep since finding him because it’s time so well spent that I watch them way into the night.
I feel so bad from him, please do a follow-up video on when the work is done and how he feels about it! 🤘
The three valve engines is known for problems
I think that’s the reason why so many people aren’t buying used cars anymore. There are no guarantees and the lack of social trust makes everything even worse.
BUT, thank you very much for the checklist!!!
One of my family friends tried to buy a used car with only 12k miles on it (2023 Subaru crosstrek) and only did so because the used car dealer had warranty on that used car for up to 2 years (100k miles).
Crappy excuse to buy a new car.?
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood That’s the excuse I hear from many folks nowadays.
For younger folks with little credit history, we need a co-signer for a new car or we’re stuck looking for a modest used car at an affordable price.
I drive a daily 1985 Mercedes Benz 300Sd- 5 cyl in-line Turbo diesel- appx 320,000 MI. Starts instantly, 1/2 to 1 compression stroke. Oil change every 2500 mi w/ liqui Molly Syn Oil. Runs like new. 😊
My 2003 Sprinter OM612 has 1,316,488 miles
DOCUMENTED WITH CERTIFICATION BY MB
Valve adjustments are important too! Have a Euro spec 84 300D with 450,000+ kilometers on it.
Best car to ever roll off a assembly line.
I also drive a Benz odometer stopped at 208 around 7 years ago still runs great only problems have been fuel leaks, fuel shutoff replaced for $25 best car I've had
I have a 1991 Mercedes 350 SDL turbo diesel, 400k miles, and still one of the best cars I've ever owned.
People sometimes get excited or fall in love with cars and don't want to find anything bad.
My sister bought a used Toyota. She was crazy about that car, but got mad at me because I checked the vitals first instead of getting all giddy about it. I noticed it had plenty of oil but almost no oil pressure at idle and maybe 15-20 psi at speed. I told her to take it back ASAP. She got pissed at me for picking on her car.
She called the guy about the low oil pressure and he told her everything was fine. He said it was bad gauge and he just never got around to replacing it, but not to worry because his wife had been driving it for a year like that. She took his word over mine and a short time later the engine spilled it's guts on the highway.
Expensive lesson right there! How dare you pick on your sisters car like that? You just don't like her Honda? 😂😅 I bet she still doesn't believe you either right? 👍🏻👌🏻🤔
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This! When you go to look at a car, go with the intention of not wanting to buy it. If everything looks good and checks out, then let the car itself talk you into buying it. I know that sounds silly, but the car will tell you if it's been neglected or ridden hard if you look and listen to it.
Sad, so many folks actually fall in love with cars, a hunk of metal...
@@danielpilachowski2424 My friend in the used car business used to say, "There's an ass for every seat".....
There's so many weather damaged vehicles of all types landing on the used car market that come out of the south,it's almost to the point where the consumer needs to ignore the ads entirely.
I thought more weather damage would generally come from the north, extreme cold and salted roads; Unless you live near the coast, where the air itself is salted moistness.
KSL yo!
Unfortunately, most of the vehicles from the north are rust buckets.
@@MrDavidfuchser Vehicles in the rust belt take a lot longer to rot away,but,once they're done,there's no selling them. It's off to the crusher because the damage is so obvious. With flood damaged cars,it's not so obvious which makes having them checked out before you buy them is so vitally important. People have no qualms with jerking someone around.
Dave is literally a Doctor in the automotive world. Most folks call it "bearing material", but like a neurosurgeon calling it "brain matter", Dave says "bearing matter". Dave here, and Eric from South Main Auto are my two favorite automotive diagnosticians.
Eric is great at that. Love his channel 😊
Eric is great. Love his channel
They're pretty solid ... No games and that's what our industry needs ...
Costs about $300 - $400 to have an independent inspection done PRIOR to the sale.......
Cheap insurance........
Costs ZERO to check the oil before you start driving...
Had my truck checked by a Ford dealership. Ended up with a truck that burned 1qt every 250 miles. Had a roof leak. And had a defective cluster.
Truck was treated by selling dealer for the oil burn which was prob a cleaner in the oil and truck developed a very faint Knock. Well. 10k later that knock is starting to get louder. Albiet the recent sudden decline seemed to be triggered by valvoline R and P. Which leads me to believe the timing chain tensioners had gunk helping hold oil pressure which has now been removed leaving the oil pressure to bleed off giving me my hot idle knock. Prob same deal with cleaning process, removed some of that 200k gunk that was holding oil pressure in the timing tensioner gaskets.
My theory goes.
Already has some piston slap so prob not gonna fix anything and pop for a junkyard motor when she goes.
Running motorkote with mobil 1 high mileage full synthetic 10w 40 seems to do magic for the noises I must say.
He probably bought it on Facebook marketplace or Craigslist beaters. LOL. Don't ever buy a power joke diesel with 180 thousand miles on it. That's engine time. LOL. Best wishes to that sucker
@@TonicofSonic the inspection was only as good as the person doing it!
Factory trained means there's at least one person who has passed the test the manufacturer gives. The other people haven't had to take that test. I saw this in a Bobcat dealership. Main bobcat guy quits. Service writer scrambles and takes the test. Shop was compliant once again!
3-4 hundred adds up if you look at 1/2 dozen vehicles
4.5 quarts on a 13 quart capacity is a pretty significant shortage of oil.
Owner says he drained it to take a look for metal tho. May not have been low at the time of failure.
@@rommelrommel1 I hope that is the case because being 4.5 quarts low in a 13 quart system, that also reserves a good amount of engine oil for the fuel injection system, would definitely cause a rod bearing to fail.
God the imperial system🤭, had to look it up to assume that is a quarter of a gallon. Thought 4x250ml is not that bad. 😂
@@DerSnipOryou should learn the superior system
@@murmaider2 Are you thinking about a HEUI system?
Pre purchase inspection is a must for all used vehicles, especially high mileage. That owner was rolling the dice. You always inherit the previous owner's nightmares
I’m in a different country but when I bought a 2016 Escalade 7 months ago, I took it to the best shop in town known for PPI and it cost me the equivalent of $215 and they ran all kinds of tests, body, chassis, drivetrain, electronics, even a 15 minute road test to check every system on the car. They gave it an excellent score. $215 for inspection is nothing when I was going to spend $35k on the car. I bought the car and even when I went to the dealer for service they couldn’t find anything wrong with it.
@@User43776 Thanks! Actually, I disabled the AFM as soon as I bought it. It sounds quite for now and I change oil at have the interval suggested by the manufacturer. Hope that will help.
I was just wondering why people don't like that AFM system, or I thought it was called DOD, why is it bad to keep on the car?
I just found your channel and love it. It amazes me how many people will pawn a vehicle off on an unknowing buyer knowing full well it has major issues. I really don't know how people sleep at night knowing they screwed somebody.
Seems to me that your average used car salesman
Your customer service is soectacular. I really wish I could find a shop that took the time to work with customers like you do. Great video
I bought a 07 Silverado from a used car lot that got it from a loan repo this truck has all the afm components taken out with a summet racing delete kit in it the dealer ship didn't know this so i got it for 8,000 with 140,000 miles on it and this truck runs beautifully i changed the oil and transmission fluid when i first brought it home and that was about 2800 miles ago and the oil still looks brand new also it doesn't burn a drop of oil
you my man are smarter than the average bear
Those era of Tahoes and Silverados were something else still got a 03 5.7 with 280k going strong.
First question him should of been, Did you check the oil when you purchased the truck? Heck I check the oil on my rent cars!
No ppl dont do that
Got a rental car with no washer fluid and had to buy my own. Can't believe there's not an idiot light for the fluid.
On rentals? lol nah…that’s on the rental car company.
Geez Dave what an awful situation for this customer to be in!😢! The seller is a rat! However, the customer made themselves vulnerable to rats like this.
Good on ya for making up your checklist mate!😊 I'm in Australia but I'm sure your used vehicle checklist would be just as valuable down here!
Checking engine, trans, brake, coolant and steering fluid levels could be put on the said checklist for buyers.
Can't wait to see what you guys find! Patiently waiting for part 2!
Dave you’re a true master at your craft! You need to write a book for people who could use pointers on maintaining their vehicles as well as buying vehicles. Oh and fyi, the guy who bought the truck in Texas, he might be protected under the Texas lemon law which prohibits people from selling crappy vehicles to others.
Don't buy a vehicle near the USA Mexican border. I'm a truck driver, I see wrecked vehicles all the time headed to Mexico for rebuilding. We call them Mexican road trains.
A few other valid inspection checks. 1- Check for heavy frame rust (northern vehicle). 2- Check for the catalytic convertor and not a "test pipe" if you have state emissions testing. 3- invest in a cheap scan tool that shows PID's so you can see the last time the codes were cleared and or how many miles and drive cycles it has since the last time the codes were cleared.
A good mechanic like this listening to an engine then doing a good inspection reminds me of an old guy I had come over to tune a piano I bought.
He looked, smelled, / inspects carefully and smiles and says it's telling you it's life story, you just have know the language and be willing to listen.
Try to drive an F350 long distance without power brakes? Inspecting the oil filter without cutting it and concluding there's no sparklies in there? The only smart thing this dude did was take it to Dave.
No power brakes but doing 85 MPH. These are your fellow drivers on the road.
His own words “I’m fairly technically savvy on trucks to begin with” 😂😂
@@tsundere-.- I know! That line cracked me up too, but then again, I had a mother-in-law who claimed that she was "sort of an engineer".... You gotta love'm
Reminds me of my own situation. I just bought a 2001 24v Cummins nv5600 for 7k . Drove home no issues went to take it for a spin the next day and the trans locked up on me! Brought it to several different shops about 1800$ later in tows and diagnostic’s only to be told it will be a 6k+ repair!! So I pulled truck from most recent shop and there’s saying I owe them 2k for parts they already ordered. Just figured I’d share my story because I am certainly in a tough spot. Been bumming rides from friends to go to work recently. Hoping my luck will change!
You bought a worn out horse. 2001. Too old
@gregorylyon1004 Nonsense. I have a 1998 Ram 2500 V10. Had it 3 years and runs perfect. He just bought a bad one.
You bought it for 5k under value. Fix it and you’re at even
@@mxerb5912 it’s a 2wd truck unfortunately so values never going to be all that high, haven’t had any bites when trying to sell on marketplace either. Also I’ve sorta committed to selling the truck to the shop as there trying to dick me around for the time and parts they’ve ordered so far (the parts were ordered without my knowledge) just trying to cut my losses, take the 3000$ loss, call it a lesson and find something a bit newer.
Why can’t they return the parts that weren’t even used? Maybe minus a restocking fee. Sounds suspicious
Good morning, Dave [Oz time] I have been following you on the shorts and this is my first full video. I am loving the way you look at the problem. Looking forward to seeing the next episode on this chap's vehicle. Cheers
Welcome aboard!
Thanks for the checklist, Dave! I've already let my friends know to scope it out for themselves. Having a thorough list to go by sure makes the car buying process less unpredictable!
I'm happy with my most recent used car purchase, but I also have to admit I lucked out a bit. 203k miles at sale, and all I've needed to replace was coilovers an alternator, battery, exhaust (from the cat on back) and an oil pan, aside from regular maintenance. Not bad for four+ years worth of driving an old hoopty!
My family would be broke and unable to repair this truck. Thankful this customer is able to afford the fix.
Don't buy a diesel if your broke
Never spend big money without a pre purchase inspection
@@Blue-moon12 Amen
I couldn't imagine have to pay out that kind of money on a used vehicle?
@thomaskirkpatrick4031 trust me it's a nightmare and that is just for the power plant what about what breaks next
Several years back, I replaced my work truck that got stolen. Vehicle prices here in Hawaii is outrageously high. USED Superduty in upwards of $70k - $80k . I found a very reasonably priced F350 online in Oregon. Not being able to get eye, ears and hand on the truck personally, I hired a local mechanic through a service provider to inspect the truck for me. He generated a inspection report, and took pictures. The service provider has a list of participating mechanics in every city. Each mechanic has a bio page listing their expertise. I feel it was a very minimal cost to hire the service to prevent me from purchasing a problem.
If you purchasing in you home state / city. The mechanic can meet you at the location of the vehicle and do the inspection. Could be helpful in the negotiating process.
What’s the service?
@@nesmacinvestmentsllc772 prevent a lemon.
How much did it cost to ship to Hawaii?
@@earlwright9715 negotiated with the dealer to include the ground transport from Oregon to San Diego in the vehicle price. And was fortunate to have a family discount on the ocean leg, roughly $1,500
@@nesmacinvestmentsllc772 The service Prevent A Lemon. If I remember correctly, it cost around $130.00 give or take $10.00. This was about 5 years ago
What a position to find ourselves. Having to be the bearer of not so good news. Dave, you are a gentleman with a collar!!!
Weather diesel or gas putting out this list is OUTSTANDING. I have worked on my own vehicles since is was 14 teen ( I am 56 now ) and the complexity of the vehicles in just the last 8 years is staggering . Now the processes to fix them have not changed , it's the support structure required to fix these cars. Engine hoist evacuation systems and recovery fluid systems just to name a few.
Its scary to buy used diesel truck.
You really need to see its history of service.
If you find one that goes to the dealership for service all the time, thats a plus
Funny thing, my first diesel, a 2003 Dodge Ram 3500, 5.9 CR Diesel, 120k miles, had service records of being serviced at a dealership its entire life. The reason why it was at auction, it would start, idle for about 30 seconds, and shut down, and then it wouldn't restart for another 20 minutes or so. I ended up getting it for 9k. Turned out that the fuel filter was completely clogged, despite having records of frequent fuel filter changes at the dealership. Truck ran well enough, but it did smoke a little under full load, so I ended up replacing the high pressure pump, the fuel injectors, and the injector feed tubes. Since I was already under the valve cover, I went ahead and replaced the head bolts with ARP studs, even though it had, and still has, stock tune. My point is, we anticipate that the dealership is the best place for service, but it still happens where people pay for a service they never receive
@@vivillager I don't trust that dealerships or jiffytype places actually do what they say. i do my own maintenance to be sure i'm using the best and correct stuff
@@vivillager All it takes is one bad tank of diesel and the filter is done. Doesn't mean the filters haven't been changed previously.
180 thousand miles on a power joke diesel says it all. It's engine time. No inspection needed. My brother owns one
"You'd need a leg like a gorilla to stop that thing" that line cracked me like crazy😂😂😂.
Dave is so funny man!!
I flew from MN to Dallas TX this past Jan to buy a 2017 Roadtrek campervan. Had less than 7,000 miles. I checked it over for flood damage and everything else. I had a cheap scan tool I brought and found no codes. Drove back home just fine in 2 days and we've been using it with no problems. Even though dealer changed the oil before I bought it, I changed it along with the on board generator oil when I got back. Normally I wouldn't buy something that far away but this one was exactly what I was looking for. I guess I consider myself a bit lucky.
You are Mister✌️🫡
Thanks for the used car checklist, there were several items I had not thought of.
I learned my lesson I mean it sucks to be paying monthly for a truck but I’ve been done dirty all to many times
So buy a new vehicle and pay it off and then you’ll have all the history for your vehicle because you’ll be the only owner and never sell it lol till the wheels fall off baby !!😅
This poor guy was just asking for trouble with 180K miles on a power joke diesel
@@gregorylyon1004 it’s a ford 😂
Yep, Exactly What i'm doing ! i Bought My 1999 Dodge Ram cummins diesel New. i'm the Original owner. 210,000 miles. Zero Blowby. Oil changes every 3- 5,000 miles. Just Had the Entire Front suspension Replaced , all new Kyb shocks &
All New:
Callipers
rotors
pads
drums & shoes
Rides Like a New Truck Now !
You think 180k is a lot when diesel engines are rated for 1 million miles. Thats just poor maintenance @gregorylyon1004
@@WJ4x4OR Well I been seeing a lot of these Def engines not going anywhere near a million miles. But the older one's definitely did
One thing i noticed. Rarely Daves shop has to do engine work on a Toyota or a Honda. That should tell everyone they are the vehicles you want to purchase.
toyota and honda are allergic to daves shop
My driveway is full of Toyotas. All with well well over 300k. Only routine maintenance. All start first crank
If Toyota and Honda are so great, why are they manufacture replacement parts and the dealerships have a service department
@@FP194 I got some mountain side property for sale in Florida if you’re interested?
You obviously haven’t been hearing about the Toyota issues on the newer trucks. They are so bad that even Toyota won’t trade them in
It's just amazing how sellers just don't care about people.
This guy Dave, and his people, are the very best.
If he tasted the oil, I would have fallen out of my chair. Dave is like the master game tracker...
I love Dave. I try my best to run my shop with inspiration from Dave and the way he runs things. Amazing Technician!
Keep us posted Dave..always much love from Indian River County Fl
I learned to build diesels because of a similar story. I asked Motorcraft/Ford to help because their new part destroyed a good engine. Got no help. Did everything myself and now I have a diesel that would make Henry Ford jealous. Mechanical engineers survive on their own. I’ll never ask another person/company for assistance with a vehicle.
I bought a car years ago and i checked everything as well & eve went for a test ride and beat on it a little to make sure the engine and transmission was good , hours later driving home it started overheating 🙃. I drove it like that for 7 months until the motor stopped 😂. Then I bought another engine and swapped it & sold it
Dave, you're one of the best and thank you for the checklist, hopefully this will save a lot of people a lot of money down the road.
Our last three vehicles, it seems we've just been downright lucky, as we've had awesome luck with these 3 vehicles. First was an F450 out of a used dealer in Houston tx., had all the options I wanted, was a 4X4 King Ranch. Flew from the west coast here in Canada, to Houston, drove it home, and it ran perfect. Drove it for several years before buying a Tiffin Phaeton motorhome (sold the 2012 6.4 Diesel F450 as it wasn't needed for our camper then) and also bought the towable with the motorhome (Honda CRV) which we've had zero issues now the last 5 years. Had to repair one slide on the coach after a couple of years, but anything else has been minimal that I can do myself. After driving my wife's Nissan Altima, I decided to buy a used 2016 F150 4X4 XLT with the 3.5 Eb, as I missed sitting up higher when I drive a truck, and in the 4 years I've owned it (now at 138,000 miles) and other than a throttle body I put in myself, it's ran flawlessly, and on a solo photography trip last summer it was showing 23.4 mpg, albeit it drops in town, but I've had great luck with these three vehicles really, so I thought I'd mention it, as it's now always bad to buy 'preowned' vehicles, especially if you can fix the little things yourself. I do all my own oil, filter & lube myself on them all, and buy quality products. Motorhome gets an oil change annually, and all other vehicles oil changed at 5K.
My son just bought a used Ford F-150 2022 5.0 litres from the dealership same thing with him the engine needs a complete overhaul ridiculous they didn’t even check is before they sold it that was an issue long time before it was resold.
It’s been in garage since June 12 th due to the hack for parts didn’t help things.
180K on a Ford PowerSmoker is pretty high mileage, I'd guess it's a good possibility of it being the 3rd or more engine in that truck. We had 2 F-550's and the 1st blew up at 30K, the 2nd just out of warranty, we traded in the one that had the engine replaced as the warranty expired and we have Dodge Ram's now with no complaints on the Cummins Engines...
Meanwhile my one owner 7.3 is about to hit 400k, no issues.
No way would a properly maintained 6.7 blow in 30K! If you were saying it was a 6.0 or 6.4, then maybe/probably. My Job 1 '11 had about 160K when it went down the road with a new owner and had zero problems in the 13 years of ownership - same as every other F250/350 diesel owner that I know
Pretty much one of the best 15 minutes I have spent on UA-cam!
A" technically savy"person would check the oil before they pay for a used truck...😂
Lol...yep, and then some..
wouldn't help if the seller had changed it. not an uncommon 'trick'
Give me a break, they had to cut open the oil filter to see the metal. That's not going to happen when you buy the truck. Most of the time, if the truck is running and doesn't have any odd noises, you're good to go.
@@devilmonkey Ya what the hell you think happened?? On its way out?? Almost but not quite on its way out when he sold it to him?? It probably spun a bearing on the freeway, but why was it so low on oil in the first place??
I know that the 7.3 diesel won't start if low more than 4 quarts of oil. My state authority had a work van. Ask me how I know this.😅
That’s tough, dudes going to have over 40k in this truck when it’s all said and done. Ouch!
Yes, then you have to compare to what you could have purchased with $40-45K instead. But at least this way, the customer is going to know that they have a solid, properly-remanufactured engine in their truck. Buying anything used with close to 200K miles on it, you have really no idea if that engine has another 2, 200, 2000, or 200K miles left to go before something like this happens. So there is an upside to this, if you look at it a certain way. At least he found a shop that won't rip him off!
Engine. Plus no power brakes. OMG. It's a Craigslist beater. LOL
A new diesel truck cost starts at 80k and can easily get to 130k.
Great video, really tidy work as usual. It's not often you see an 'amateur' work so clean and fastidiously. Keep them coming. Hi from Australia
Hola 👋 señor Dave!!! What a nightmare!!! But I know it will be a great episode where we get to see the excellent quality service of your shop …we hope to see the whole video soon…Saludos!!!👋😃👋
Saludos👍
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville Gracias 🙏 señor Dave for taking some of your very busy time to reply back to my comments sometimes I don’t want to leave a comment because I receive a lot of death threats messages back but that’s okay that’ll not stop me from watching your great content and like I said before you are the best in the west!!!👋😃👋Saludos!!!!
I bought one car sight unseen. I learned that lesson the hard way, thank god it was only on a 3k$ car and not like 20k+. Look over it with a fine tooth comb, and if you don’t know what your looking at, don’t let your ego get in the way of bringing it to people who do and spend a few bucks to make sure your spending your money wisely.
Thanks for having a conscience Dave.
Dave! We the viewers absolutely love the way you work and your bedside manner. I wonder if you could recommend a service center in western North Carolina?
Thank you for asking. I don't have any recommendations for you at this time. But I am going to work on compiling that. Appreciate yiur thoughts and you being a valuable member of this community.
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville Dave please run for office. We need you
"Free Checklist"
$1.99
Thanks Dave
where is the checklist cant find it from that link lmao
Can't go wrong for $1.99. That info is worth alot more then $1.99. He should be charging $49.99 for that info. Dave thank you for what you do to help others
It was free for a few days,your late to the party,Bring your own Beer###
Dave is my favorite automotive yt channel to watch. Ive learned quite a bit watching dave. He is also very professional. Much love from colorado!
Would be great to hear, when all is said and done and this guy is back on the road, how much a repair like this costs? For some of us, an $70-$90k new diesel truck is just not an option, so we are left to buy used. If we can factor in a future $15k, $20k, $30k engine replacement when purchasing a high mileage truck, then it would go a long way to informing us on how much to pay for it in the first place. Thx Dave, You Rock!
Yea, it would be nice to know the average cost to do a Job i like this.
i'm thinking around $15,000.00
$10,000 motor
$5,000 Labor
Good question. I generally don't quote prices on a video because the video will be out for years. But our current prices and products can be found on our website at davesengines.com. Appreciate you watching our videos.
Dave, you are a Rock Star in the truck world. I hope all good things come your way!
Wow that sucks. Feel horrible for the buyer and madder than heck at the dirtbag seller. Buyer BEWARE, Especially with all of the flooding that's been happening. Looking forward (as always) to the follow up.
Why spend $20k and not get a pre purchase inspection. Due diligence.
my coworker bought a f150 from the dealer 2020. with in 5 months he has his cluster fail, radio die, media computer go out, door locks stop working, windows quit roling down and his rear axle exploded, and transmission slipping. he had no warranty at 110K miles. my other coworker bought at 23 vw. he has had his cluster shut off randomly and loose all gages, and his head gasket blow up. 8K miles.
Not sure I would have told Dave I already had an estimate of 35k to replace the motor.
These guys do this for a living. They know what the R&R costs as well as a new motor build. I highly doubt the knowledge of cost from a different builder matters much.
Knowing the price is 35k if i build it for 25k a charge 34k customer happy and my employees get a bonus
@@goawayjukloph2063 but you’d go out of business being that dishonest. People catch on fast and word spreads even faster.
You have a good point. I've known shops where I wouldn't mention estimates either.
I don't know Dave, but every indication I've seen shows he's a straight shooter. I'm guessing he will inspect everything in great detail and charge the market rate for what's needed to make it run like new, but it still won't be cheap.
Excuse me??? $35 thousand dollars for an engine????
I buy REALLY used cars all the time. The first thing I do is check the fluids. After I drive ten miles, I check them again, and again after a hundred miles to be sure the vehicle is not going to grenade on the way home. I just bought one that uses a quart of oil every one hundred miles! I plan on replacing the motor with a junkyard motor and feel I still got a good deal.
Meanwhile my 22 year old 250k mile 7.3 Powerstroke still looks and runs like new.
I grew up in a family very involved with cars and motorcycles, I've done a lot of repair work, done tech school classes, worked in a shop doing heavy duty work, and have a great working knowledge of gas and diesel. That being said, I still have paid my buddy to put the last few vehicles I've looked at purchasing up on the lift, hooked up to a scanner, and do an inspection. Being able to have the vehicle up on the lift, having an advanced scan tool looking at the live data and having a second set of experienced eyes looking at them is well worth the money I force him to take.
"Oh gosh.... yeah.."
One sentence you NEVER want to hear from Dave or another mechanic...
I just discovered this channel today. It's great! Good job Dave.
Usually when the price is too good to be true it Usually is...
If that is a 2011 through 2015 it's the first-gen 6.7L engine. I have the second-gen version (2017 here) and it is SSSOOO much more reliable. The big weak spot is the CP4 high-pressure fuel-pump. I use OptiLube XL and have just over 200,000 miles on mine, but using ultra-low sulfur diesel with no lubricity additive can have them fail in the first 30,000 miles. The first-gen 6.7 had bad turbos, the CP4, and more that could go wrong.
How did you know the metal shavings were from a bearing and not a failed CP4? Just based on the knock?
Sad what happened. But I will say he sounds like a fantastic and understanding customer, those are the best customers to deal with. Hopefully the rest of the truck is in great shape...
I totally agree!
That rebuild should only be thousands and thousands of dollars. Dude is taking it pretty well.
$20,000 for a truck with 180,000 miles is not a good deal.
Actually about the going price for the Diesels?
are you kidding me? 80-100k new and 180k is absolutely nothing
For a diesel especially a 6.7 thats not that bad of a deal
That truck is $100K dollars brand new. Remember
I think most people are disagreeing with you mainly because of the fact that this is a Diesel. For a gas, you'd be right.
This isn’t Mechanical related but I had a Customer (I’m a Car Detailer) who wanted me to check over the paint, I use a DeFelsko Gauge. Tesla’s are usually around 3.5 - 4.8 mils..right hand side rear panel, passenger/Drivers door was between 18 - 22 mils..this was an eye opener. (To say the panels had been filled was an understatement) I see this so often, yes it’s not Mechanical and probably won’t affect the cars performance but it’s just wrong in my view..These Stealerships couldn’t lie straight in bed some of them.
Props for Dave to jump right into this mess. 💪👍
I could be this guy!! My 2011 F350 is pushing 300k, with worn out body mounts and a list of electrical annoyances probably all related to the ecm/ecu?? Not sure. I keep entertaining buying a newer one, but this video makes me want to fix the odds and ends on mine and just keep driving it. Plus I hate having too much money tied up in depreciating assets!!
Thanks Dave!
We need follow ups on all these dave
That's one thing that drives me nuts about this channel. They post all these teaser videos showing the engines broken or blowing smoke then there's no follow up to it.....just leaves us hanging! I realize this is a very busy shop & business but we need more follow up happy ending videos with the engines being put back together and then purring away after assembly & testing! 👍🏻👌🏻
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Great checklist, Dave. Ironically, the last two items on your list are my first two questions when I arrive to look at a used vehicle. If there's no clear title then everything else is a waste of time. 2nd from last is maintenance records. This is where Carfax comes in handy. if there's no documentation of oil changes then I have to assume they weren't done in a timely fashion and I'll move on to the next vehicle.
Luckily he bought car shield. Ice t said so
He probably bought this truck off of Craigslist or Facebook marketplace. They sell beaters. Don't ever buy on the internet
@@gregorylyon1004 so don't buy from dealers who advertise on carfax or autotrader?
@@gregorylyon1004so where do we buy vehicles?
@@hunterharper1891
The key is to ALWAYs get a pre purchase inspection from a shop very familiar with the brand. Better to be safe than sorry.
@@gregorylyon1004 I buy cars all the time on Craigslist.😂
7:41 my dad's 1993 Taurus shut off due to overheating. Thermostat was changed. Golden.
$35,000 on a motor for a truck he paid $20,000 for 🥴
He now has a $55,000 pickup that’s worth $25,000 with 180,000 miles….
@@ctquicksilver the guy who he bought it from made out like a bandit and got top dollar for a truck on borrowed time lol. Super shitty for the new owner. I would be so pissed.
@@samuelvandyke1824 unless you have a spare $25,000 on hand at all times to spend on a diesel, you’re better off with a gasser.. the cost to fix anything on modern diesels is outrageous.
@@ctquicksilver They're a nightmare to work on outside of a shop setting where you just pull the cab for everything.
@@OtisFlintThat means that you overhaul everything while the cab is off. Diesel trucks don't save people any money in reality. Buy a gasser.
These vids are so awesome man thank you ❤ love your work from Australia
That’s what you get for buying a Ford product. I’ve been a tech for 26 years, and the amount of times I’ve done “pre purchase” inspections for people and and found major issues is astounding. What’s even crazier is most of the time when I’d tell the customer to take it back and not to buy it, they’d say, “well I already bought it!” 🤦🏼♂️
Cummins forever.
High 5s on the not buying a Ford product to begin with. I have had a few Fords, but not anymore. GM all the way!!!
My daughter just did this when I told her not to buy 😢
6.4 Ford Diesel here on third engine !
He has many videos with cummins engines with the same issue. Hate it for you that you never left middle school with your diehard brand loyalty. Hate it to hell for you guys @@MissilemanIII
My 6.0 power stroke over haul was about 10,500 parts alone with machine shop costs. Labor was me. They are not cheap and you only want to use motor craft or ford parts. Injectors alone cost me $1800
Dave, you should offer some way for your viewers to help people like this poor guy. Maybe some merchandise that we could buy that proceeds could be donated to help with such a monumental cost? Or even a go fund me? I'd like to help some of these people and I guarantee I'm not the only one.
@scottgordon3669
It’s commendable that you want to help fund an engine replacement on an F-350, but who’s going to help you when you’re vehicle is in need of major repairs and you’re not at Dave’s Auto Center in Centerville, UT???
@@AzzKicker-bz1cb some people Have been fortunate in life & Believe in helping others out a little bit.
Carma !
Very kind of you. We are wondering about helping out people besides our charity work. Thank you for watching and being a valuable member of this community
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville
I love your videos, I do wish you put links to longer format videos in your video shorts so, we your viewers, could find the follow up or continuation of the shorts you post!
Also, I’m not knocking on people who want to help another person out with money for engine work, but you’re just one shop in the entire country, are you going to be able to do that with every customer and just how many other good shops in this country would even entertain that kind of help?
Very sad, but at least he's got it at the right place.❤😊
Looks like an oil field truck. I hear they get used pretty hard, not serviced well (if at all), and get dumped at the first sign of serious trouble. Have seen with my own eyes that they're driven hard, and they are the classic "company truck." By the time the guy pays for a new engine he'll be 'way upside down. Damn shame.
I bought a 49 Chevy pickup and I didn't really look it over and gave the guy 800 bucks. So I drove it home, no problem. Next time I wasn't so lucky, some how the fan blade cut the top radiator hose and that's when I noticed the whole problems coming. The engine was a Chevy 6 inline. There were No motor mounts and the transmission was just sitting in there. The engine was sitting on an old leaf spring. I fixed the motor mounts. Never fixed the transmission mounts and sold it for what I bought it for. It always had a dead short so I would unhook the battery when it sat.
Please do a follow up. As much as I’d love to talk to you Dave, this is a call I would not want.
Customer watches one Scotty Kilmer video and claims he’s “savvy”
Cant stand that guy