Recently found Morley Robbins' RCP. Viewed him on Strong Sistas. Thought: Wonder what Jay & Mike would say about his ideas? Then, Kabam! This podcast. Ah, the power of suggestion. 😅. Also, I've been wondering about the recent defense of seed oils. And once again.The BV is a valuable resource. 5 stars.
Nice, very well done discussion of all the points you discussed. I like listening to Jay and Mike and Danny, but the synergy of ideas and comments achieved by having Jay and Mike and Danny together is vastly superior to just listening to one presenter alone. Something about the rapport between you guys totally enriches the whole experience and really captures/holds my attention. Thanks to all 3 of you...... keep it coming.
Another great episode. Yes, they treat industrial seed oils as if they aren't in the processed food category until added to other ingredients. As if it's healthy alone. Sarah Ballentine the former Paleo Mom is doing alot to defend Canola Oil. Honestly, I think one reason for the pro ISO movement is people don't like Paul Saladino.
This conversation is really very valuable. Thank you! All three of you are crushing it! Keep fighting the good fight. Casscara once a week and Pau D’arco throughout the week has helped get my movements to once or twice a day! Low O-6! Peace
12:00 Yes, I’m of European descent and love coconut oil. I also find I can add additional calories to my diet with it and not gain weight since it’s thermogenic. 🔥 I mostly use it in the form of coconut cream.
Same here! Nordic/Eastern European descent, and I feel amazing after coconut products (cream, paste, oil). I mostly use coconut oil for cooking, since it has the highest percentage of SFAs.
41:45 Exactly, but people from Ray Peat world don't understand that you can't force it with taking thyroid hormones. If you have someone who was under high chronic stress for years and his body is completely depleted of everything, his body is breaking down constantly from high cortisol etc.. You have to first stop that source of chronic stress. The body has to feel safe and relaxed. With that comes proper nutrition I am talking food no pills or even drugs or hormones and when everything is in place that takes time. For people who were in high stress state for years it will take at least 6-12 months to see improvements and in most cases that person will slowly recover all their anabolic hormone production etc. and there is no need for taking hormones especially thyroid hormone because if you skip this recovery period and you just give the person thyroid hormones that speeds up depletion of the body even more that person most likely will crash even more with even more serious issues.. Have you ever heard talking Ray Peat about recovery from chronic stress? That it takes a long time? That the person has to completely change their life style etc.? All you hear "yeah your TSH is high you will need some thyroid.." You never hear "listen you were breaking down your body for a decade. You can't fix it with just taking something overnight. It will take time to recover from it months and months even if your life style and diet will be perfect.." Anyways nobody should take hormones unless has damage to the gland itself so for example has removed thyroid or testicle due to cancer of course they will need hormone replacement. But that is not the case for 99% of people.. Btw would love to hear your take on Karen Hurd and soluble fiber needed for detox etc.. Her story with her kids is amazing.. Another huge "problem" with "Ray Peat diet" low intake of soluble fiber that is needed for proper detox of bile full of waste from the liver..
As someone who is struggling with Candida and yeast overgrowths, coconut oil is incredibly mild in my experience. Berberine or any other form of anti-fungal supplements, medicine like sporanox, fluconazole etc are infinitely stronger. I don't have a deep understanding with it, but personally haven't noticed worsening in my health while using it. If anything, doing better.
Why does taking coconut oil seen to relax my mind and whole body? I’m of European descent. I think I felt my best on a tropical type diet. I tries doing a diet more developed from my ancestors but the tropics ruled.
Probably by increasing the effective thyroid function. Ray hypothesised that as the high saturation of coconut oil dilutes the very small amount of PUFAs in it and stops them from oxidising and preventing rancidity, so too can it dilute PUFAs that are in the bloodstream as FFAs. Since the PUFAs inhibit thyroid function at multiple stages (gland, transport, cell, downstream hormonal effects...), it stands to reason that coconut oil can un-inhibit thyroid function when there is PUFA circulating via dilution and prevention of peroxidation like vitamin E. Whenever you get hungry or are under stress, a large proportion of the circulating free fatty acids are likely to be PUFA since they're preferentially stored rather than oxidised when eaten, and are also the first to be released from fat cells. Healthy thyroid function should enable proper relaxation, similar to the Achilles reflex test.
@@SeknaTS interesting. I was diagnosed with hashimotoes years ago. Healed myself from it but still think something is still there. I wonder if my thyroid is still slightly low. It’s not awful symptoms but still slightly fatigued.
@@jenniferflower9265 I think even if you don't have Hashimoto's it's likely you could benefit from better thyroid function. Especially if you're older than 30 or 40. Even if you're producing enough thyroid hormone the accumulated PUFAs, stress, and environmental toxins probably all compound.
I’d really like to see you guys opening up / addressing the seed oil issues outside of the Bioenergetic community, so that we have honest and open debates that challenge the status quo. Especially with influencers like Layne Norton, Dr Matthew Nagra, The Proof with Simon Hill, Plant Chompers, even Luca Fithealth. When can we expect to see you actually engaging in conversation outside the box to test your theories and expand public awareness?
I was pleasantly surprised by the depth discussed and the additional factors often neglected in these types of talks. Udually heavily mechanistic and to further a point of view. I'm curious what type of education is needed to reach your level of understanding. I want to get deeper i to this myself. Human biology and medicine base study I'd assume eould be the first step. After that? Any tips? Thanks!
I thank you 3 so much for this video! I am still on a ketogenic diet because my IBS and joint pain is minimal by eating 80% fat and very few plants. I am APOE4 heterozygous (2 sibs homozygous). If you were me and wanted to stick with high fat, would you still favor saturated fat and minimal omega 6 and 3? The fat i (my GI track) absolutely tolerate best is coconut oil. I also finally realized the 1.5 to 2 oz of olive oil is have been eating daily for over a year was causing moderately significant daily GI symptoms (resveratrol 600 mg causes the same symptoms but 10 fold more severe; I think it is the polyphenols). Thanks for advising me about coconut oil (presently about 85% of the fat I eat is saturated)
My belief is poly, mono and saturated fats, found in the ratios in ancestral eating is ideal, which includes a measurable amount, maybe 15% area in animal protein ancestral fed. As long as it’s not commercial contaminated, poly and mono have their purpose in the organism, and I don’t believe they are detrimental ie little firecrackers ready to wreak havoc, and I don’t believe my body will mistakenly use an inferior compound for the wrong reason, and I do believe poly and mono have beneficial purposes like saturated fats. For starters even though I hear about “studies” on mice, tiny creatures and how some species live longer in nature vs others, the latter could be/ do to a variety of reasons. When I looked up if Brown bears, who live along coastal areas, lived longer or shorter than grizzly bears, that live more inland, and brown bears probably eating more fish high in omega3’s vs grizzlies eating probably more deer/elk, they both seem to live the same length in the wild, like 25 years. So unless, I see the same species in nature eating one way vs another, and a significant difference in life span/quality because of a diet, I’m not going to give a lot of weight to the it’s a natural PUFA notion. Something in the real world I can see and experience, trumps a supposed study in my book. So since there is a decent amount of poly/mono fats in ancestral animal protein, since I haven’t seen or heard of a normal mammalian like creature, keeling over way faster than a same species creature because of a specific different difference in natural diet ie specifically PUFAs. Eating salmon ie cold water fish is probably fine and very healthy and won’t I won’t stop doing it. Am I going to cut out all red meat and eat only salmon, no. It could be a huge problem eliminating or reducing saturated fat so low, that there isn’t enough for the body and it needs to rely on poly/mono, for something it needs sat for, but that doesn’t mean poly/mono is bad, and it doesn’t mean the body doesn’t know not to use poly/mono for sat things, it just means it doesn’t have sat, because the persons ideas about sat has made it unavailable, so the bodies got to use the wrong material for the wrong situation, IMO. To give credence to my idea for me, the other day I was grinding off the Teflon coating from some steal pots I have with a grinder/wire grinding brush. I was doing this in shorts, in the sun, and like an idiot, got the Teflon particles on the front of my thighs/shins, and forearms. So I went and used baking soda and water to rub it off, because I don’t use industrial soap. It wouldn’t come off with that, so I said I know, I will use coconut oil, I’ve used it to take off other grease I could get off with baking soda and water in the past. The coconut oil wouldn’t take it off. I was like sht, I got to get this off me, that’s way I was grinding it off the pans, and it’s on my skin getting in my body, what can I use to get this off. Well, I had a gallon of olive oil left over from when I use to eat/ use it, but now save for oiling parts and tools from rusting. So I put the olive oil on a clean cloth rag, wiped it across the Teflon dried on my skin, and it lifted it right off like magic. And I was like wow, I thought the coconut oil would have been better because it’s saturated. How did the poly olive oil do it, there has to be a chemistry reason why. And what is the that chemistry reason, is it because the olive oil has more broken bonds than the saturated fat. So the Teflon particles had something to attach to. Well if I were to take an education guess, I would say that is what it was. And that personal experience, gives me more evidence to my theory that poly and mono naturally are fine in the ratios found in ancestral eating which is something like 15% area and the body probably has a good reason to use them, ie like attaching things to it to eliminate out of the body, knows how to use them/ distinguish the use of them vs sat, and I don’t need to worry about eating smoked salmon or pickled herring once in awhile as long as I keep them in a decent amount/ ratio. I don’t need to freak out if I eat some natural PUFAs. Yes building with strong rigid materials is good sometimes, maybe most the time, but probably not all the time. And the same goes for the fats, yes saturated fat is probably good to use in the body probably most the time, but I’m betting not all the time, having done a lot of construction in my life, and there are probably times, when the body wants and needs poly and mono-saturated fats, and I ain’t scared/ fear them, you do you, I’ll do me.
I thought mold is everywhere outside. what is the difference between mold outside and mold in the house? I have a lot of plant pots, and they contain soil with (possible) mold.
Mike moved to PH? Visit there regularly as my wife is from there originally and we always found the fruit really good - but not all the fruits are appealing to me.
Becoming a health PUFA apologist is when you know you’re lost in the “evidence based” sauce. Soon you’ll find yourself sipping a 2 liter diet crush all day as a “hydration hack”
Don't the bacteria die anyway and release those toxins? They have a short lifespan of typically 12h. Maybe the coconut oil causes a short spike in endotoxin release, but the coconut oil is helping reduce the total amount of bacteria, therefore reducing the endotoxin release in the long run.
Jay. How can I have an intellectual conversation about peats recommendation of RHR of 80-90. This is associated with a 200-400% increase in all cause mortality in virtually every study dating back decades all around the world and is essentially unachieveable without horrible fitness or exogenous hormones. you are among the best educated and well rounded peaters but I have spent weeks trying to talk about this topic on twitter with peaters and nobody can reference anything than peats articles and Barnes book. Please advise.
All health markers needs to be interpreted in context. For example, high LDL and triglycerides are highly associated with insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in Western populations, but this isn't the case in native populations eating a high-carb diet. While the RHR can be indicative of the metabolic rate, it's also influenced by aerobic fitness, circulation/oxygenation, the efficiency of heart contractility, etc., which all need to be considered when looking at population-wide data (and of course when looking at an individual's RHR).
@@JFwellnessI really am not going to accept the "within context" argument cause many peaters claim that but its just a deflection. My argument is that there is NEVER a time where a RHR that high can be ideal and is correlated with a higher all cause mortality than smoking even probably. Myself I eat excess calories, probably 300-400 carbs per day, am only moderately fit at a 50 VO2Max and my RHR is around 50. I genuinely believe its actually impossible to have a RHR of 80+ without being signiifcantly unhealthy OR you are peating and taking exogenous hormones, stimulants and constantly feeding sugar into the system every few hours that as soon as the body has just fiunished digesting, its already digesting again keeping the RHR high. I know many many people who are again moderately fit, some sports, some cardio, lift weights, all eat in "bulking" excess with tons of carbs, none of them are pro athletes or spending hours per day exercising, NONE of them even have a RHR above 60. Ive never once in the wild seen a fit and healthy person with a RHR above 65 so its not fair for you to use the same argument as the low educated peaters as "context". Where is the context where 85rhr is ever achieved naturally without exogenous hormones or poor cardiovascular fitness and oxygen utizliation (which i would argue peating would not change the ACM outcomes)
One side of science shows that RHR, Vo2max, Respritory rate and HRV are the most correlated things with both health span and life span. Having a high vo2 max and high RHR almost doesnt exist. Having a high HRV and a high RHR almost doesnt eixst. Having a low respiratory rate and a high RHR almost doesnt exist. How is it that the 4 more correlated items on the planet to health span and life span all contradict an 85RHR but then peaters are dead sure because of a hyper focus on thyroid function and one book that talks about metabolic rate and RHR means that 80+ RHR can be ideal or is potentially even ideal within context. This is where im asking for someone like you and your colleagues to actually present some data points that actually argue in favor of 80+ RHR even within specific context cause im seeing none. Im seeting 99% of people with a RHR above 80 being severely sick and hving horrible health and fitness. But a specific supplementation and lifestyle rituatl puts people artificially into the 80+ RHR and you are just using the word context to say that maybe its ideal maybe its not. Lets talk about the evidence that points to it ever being ideal rather than just leaving it at *muh context*
It’s not a deflection, it’s the only accurate way to view it (in my opinion) - it’s the only thing that accounts for why an increase in RHR can be either positive or negative depending on what’s causing it, just like LDL or triglycerides. To be clear, in many instances an elevated RHR is the result of suboptimal state (meaning it’s not a good thing and associated with negative health outcomes). A low RHR is also often the result of a suboptimal state, and I’ve seen many times where someone’s RHR increases in a short period of time as their health improves without any detriment to their fitness. Also, I’m not saying that I agree that a RHR of 80-90 is optimal, but in some individuals it can be better than a lower HR depending on what’s responsible for the increased RHR.
Coconut oil is used in indian medicial practice "ayurveda" in a big way and has a proven track record of centuries....Indian areas where high amount of coconut oil is consumed has highest longitivity than other areas were people are more "westernised" in india...for example indian state Kerala have the highest consumption of coconut oil and has the highest life expectancy in india...sad part is india is adopting SAD in a big way to help big pharma increasing the GDP😂
Interesting about coconut oil and endotoxin. I remember hearing Dr. Gundry say the same thing about ten years ago... but I liked coconut oil and used it anyways! Lol guess my gut instinct was correct! Thanks for doing this podcast. You guys are an excellent team!
1:23:25 no she doesn't have thyroid issue. Her thyroid is fine. She just probably eats stupid crash diet of 800kcal and maybe is estrogen dominant as well due to low zinc/copper ratio and probably deficiency of iodine, selenium etc..
Recently found Morley Robbins' RCP. Viewed him on Strong Sistas. Thought: Wonder what Jay & Mike would say about his ideas? Then, Kabam! This podcast. Ah, the power of suggestion. 😅.
Also, I've been wondering about the recent defense of seed oils. And once again.The BV is a valuable resource. 5 stars.
Keep up the great work. Our community needs you!
Nice, very well done discussion of all the points you discussed. I like listening to Jay and Mike and Danny, but the synergy of ideas and comments achieved by having Jay and Mike and Danny together is vastly superior to just listening to one presenter alone. Something about the rapport between you guys totally enriches the whole experience and really captures/holds my attention. Thanks to all 3 of you...... keep it coming.
Amazing video, thanks all!
Thank You.
I would really like to hear the three of you discuss aspirin supplementation.
Yeah. I take lots
Love this new series
Me too
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us , I love listening to you guys !!
You're welcome, that's great to hear!
Thanks guys!
Another great episode.
Yes, they treat industrial seed oils as if they aren't in the processed food category until added to other ingredients. As if it's healthy alone.
Sarah Ballentine the former Paleo Mom is doing alot to defend Canola Oil.
Honestly, I think one reason for the pro ISO movement is people don't like Paul Saladino.
Great podcast! I really enjoy hearing the tips and tricks from each of you. Very valuable information!
This conversation is really very valuable. Thank you! All three of you are crushing it! Keep fighting the good fight.
Casscara once a week and Pau D’arco throughout the week has helped get my movements to once or twice a day!
Low O-6!
Peace
Thank you for your guys in depth explanations. Helps me understand the why.
Love the new format and the topics. Thank you!
12:00 Yes, I’m of European descent and love coconut oil. I also find I can add additional calories to my diet with it and not gain weight since it’s thermogenic. 🔥 I mostly use it in the form of coconut cream.
Same here! Nordic/Eastern European descent, and I feel amazing after coconut products (cream, paste, oil). I mostly use coconut oil for cooking, since it has the highest percentage of SFAs.
Can confirm what Mike was saying about constipation / diarrhea phenotype from high protein carnivore - great podcast!!
Me too
41:45 Exactly, but people from Ray Peat world don't understand that you can't force it with taking thyroid hormones. If you have someone who was under high chronic stress for years and his body is completely depleted of everything, his body is breaking down constantly from high cortisol etc.. You have to first stop that source of chronic stress. The body has to feel safe and relaxed. With that comes proper nutrition I am talking food no pills or even drugs or hormones and when everything is in place that takes time. For people who were in high stress state for years it will take at least 6-12 months to see improvements and in most cases that person will slowly recover all their anabolic hormone production etc. and there is no need for taking hormones especially thyroid hormone because if you skip this recovery period and you just give the person thyroid hormones that speeds up depletion of the body even more that person most likely will crash even more with even more serious issues.. Have you ever heard talking Ray Peat about recovery from chronic stress? That it takes a long time? That the person has to completely change their life style etc.? All you hear "yeah your TSH is high you will need some thyroid.." You never hear "listen you were breaking down your body for a decade. You can't fix it with just taking something overnight. It will take time to recover from it months and months even if your life style and diet will be perfect.." Anyways nobody should take hormones unless has damage to the gland itself so for example has removed thyroid or testicle due to cancer of course they will need hormone replacement. But that is not the case for 99% of people.. Btw would love to hear your take on Karen Hurd and soluble fiber needed for detox etc.. Her story with her kids is amazing.. Another huge "problem" with "Ray Peat diet" low intake of soluble fiber that is needed for proper detox of bile full of waste from the liver..
Thanks
As someone who is struggling with Candida and yeast overgrowths, coconut oil is incredibly mild in my experience. Berberine or any other form of anti-fungal supplements, medicine like sporanox, fluconazole etc are infinitely stronger. I don't have a deep understanding with it, but personally haven't noticed worsening in my health while using it. If anything, doing better.
Why does taking coconut oil seen to relax my mind and whole body? I’m of European descent. I think I felt my best on a tropical type diet. I tries doing a diet more developed from my ancestors but the tropics ruled.
Probably by increasing the effective thyroid function. Ray hypothesised that as the high saturation of coconut oil dilutes the very small amount of PUFAs in it and stops them from oxidising and preventing rancidity, so too can it dilute PUFAs that are in the bloodstream as FFAs. Since the PUFAs inhibit thyroid function at multiple stages (gland, transport, cell, downstream hormonal effects...), it stands to reason that coconut oil can un-inhibit thyroid function when there is PUFA circulating via dilution and prevention of peroxidation like vitamin E. Whenever you get hungry or are under stress, a large proportion of the circulating free fatty acids are likely to be PUFA since they're preferentially stored rather than oxidised when eaten, and are also the first to be released from fat cells. Healthy thyroid function should enable proper relaxation, similar to the Achilles reflex test.
@@SeknaTS interesting. I was diagnosed with hashimotoes years ago. Healed myself from it but still think something is still there. I wonder if my thyroid is still slightly low. It’s not awful symptoms but still slightly fatigued.
@@jenniferflower9265 I think even if you don't have Hashimoto's it's likely you could benefit from better thyroid function. Especially if you're older than 30 or 40. Even if you're producing enough thyroid hormone the accumulated PUFAs, stress, and environmental toxins probably all compound.
Wish you would do a commentary on Nutrition with Judy. Judy Cho.
We discussed her thoughts on the bioenergetic approach here:
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I’d really like to see you guys opening up / addressing the seed oil issues outside of the Bioenergetic community, so that we have honest and open debates that challenge the status quo. Especially with influencers like Layne Norton, Dr Matthew Nagra, The Proof with Simon Hill, Plant Chompers, even Luca Fithealth. When can we expect to see you actually engaging in conversation outside the box to test your theories and expand public awareness?
Waste of time.
i'd suggest gil carvalho from nutrition made simple. he seems to be a great guy who is up for respectful debate/conversation...
Can you guys comment on Jack Kruse theory? Many things are the same as the biogenetic theory but many are very different.
Is MCT oil like an equivalent to a highly processed oil? What’s the difference that makes it good for you in the form of MCT?
Seed oils suck!
1:32:55 1:33:00
Big time
They suck balls
I was pleasantly surprised by the depth discussed and the additional factors often neglected in these types of talks. Udually heavily mechanistic and to further a point of view.
I'm curious what type of education is needed to reach your level of understanding. I want to get deeper i to this myself. Human biology and medicine base study I'd assume eould be the first step. After that? Any tips? Thanks!
I thank you 3 so much for this video!
I am still on a ketogenic diet because my IBS and joint pain is minimal by eating 80% fat and very few plants. I am APOE4 heterozygous (2 sibs homozygous).
If you were me and wanted to stick with high fat, would you still favor saturated fat and minimal omega 6 and 3? The fat i (my GI track) absolutely tolerate best is coconut oil. I also finally realized the 1.5 to 2 oz of olive oil is have been eating daily for over a year was causing moderately significant daily GI symptoms (resveratrol 600 mg causes the same symptoms but 10 fold more severe; I think it is the polyphenols).
Thanks for advising me about coconut oil (presently about 85% of the fat I eat is saturated)
Haggis has been my goto organ meat hack here in Scotland, travelling Peaty as possible!
whiskey can be peaty, too
What are thoughts on the accuracy of tests like GI MAP?
My belief is poly, mono and saturated fats, found in the ratios in ancestral eating is ideal, which includes a measurable amount, maybe 15% area in animal protein ancestral fed. As long as it’s not commercial contaminated, poly and mono have their purpose in the organism, and I don’t believe they are detrimental ie little firecrackers ready to wreak havoc, and I don’t believe my body will mistakenly use an inferior compound for the wrong reason, and I do believe poly and mono have beneficial purposes like saturated fats. For starters even though I hear about “studies” on mice, tiny creatures and how some species live longer in nature vs others, the latter could be/ do to a variety of reasons. When I looked up if Brown bears, who live along coastal areas, lived longer or shorter than grizzly bears, that live more inland, and brown bears probably eating more fish high in omega3’s vs grizzlies eating probably more deer/elk, they both seem to live the same length in the wild, like 25 years. So unless, I see the same species in nature eating one way vs another, and a significant difference in life span/quality because of a diet, I’m not going to give a lot of weight to the it’s a natural PUFA notion. Something in the real world I can see and experience, trumps a supposed study in my book. So since there is a decent amount of poly/mono fats in ancestral animal protein, since I haven’t seen or heard of a normal mammalian like creature, keeling over way faster than a same species creature because of a specific different difference in natural diet ie specifically PUFAs. Eating salmon ie cold water fish is probably fine and very healthy and won’t I won’t stop doing it. Am I going to cut out all red meat and eat only salmon, no. It could be a huge problem eliminating or reducing saturated fat so low, that there isn’t enough for the body and it needs to rely on poly/mono, for something it needs sat for, but that doesn’t mean poly/mono is bad, and it doesn’t mean the body doesn’t know not to use poly/mono for sat things, it just means it doesn’t have sat, because the persons ideas about sat has made it unavailable, so the bodies got to use the wrong material for the wrong situation, IMO. To give credence to my idea for me, the other day I was grinding off the Teflon coating from some steal pots I have with a grinder/wire grinding brush. I was doing this in shorts, in the sun, and like an idiot, got the Teflon particles on the front of my thighs/shins, and forearms. So I went and used baking soda and water to rub it off, because I don’t use industrial soap. It wouldn’t come off with that, so I said I know, I will use coconut oil, I’ve used it to take off other grease I could get off with baking soda and water in the past. The coconut oil wouldn’t take it off. I was like sht, I got to get this off me, that’s way I was grinding it off the pans, and it’s on my skin getting in my body, what can I use to get this off. Well, I had a gallon of olive oil left over from when I use to eat/ use it, but now save for oiling parts and tools from rusting. So I put the olive oil on a clean cloth rag, wiped it across the Teflon dried on my skin, and it lifted it right off like magic. And I was like wow, I thought the coconut oil would have been better because it’s saturated. How did the poly olive oil do it, there has to be a chemistry reason why. And what is the that chemistry reason, is it because the olive oil has more broken bonds than the saturated fat. So the Teflon particles had something to attach to. Well if I were to take an education guess, I would say that is what it was. And that personal experience, gives me more evidence to my theory that poly and mono naturally are fine in the ratios found in ancestral eating which is something like 15% area and the body probably has a good reason to use them, ie like attaching things to it to eliminate out of the body, knows how to use them/ distinguish the use of them vs sat, and I don’t need to worry about eating smoked salmon or pickled herring once in awhile as long as I keep them in a decent amount/ ratio. I don’t need to freak out if I eat some natural PUFAs. Yes building with strong rigid materials is good sometimes, maybe most the time, but probably not all the time. And the same goes for the fats, yes saturated fat is probably good to use in the body probably most the time, but I’m betting not all the time, having done a lot of construction in my life, and there are probably times, when the body wants and needs poly and mono-saturated fats, and I ain’t scared/ fear them, you do you, I’ll do me.
I'm south of Jay in Ecuador and I've noticed that the quality of the fruit these past few months has diminished. It's probably climate/rain related.
I thought mold is everywhere outside. what is the difference between mold outside and mold in the house? I have a lot of plant pots, and they contain soil with (possible) mold.
Fiber helps get rid of endotoxin.
Mike moved to PH? Visit there regularly as my wife is from there originally and we always found the fruit really good - but not all the fruits are appealing to me.
Becoming a health PUFA apologist is when you know you’re lost in the “evidence based” sauce.
Soon you’ll find yourself sipping a 2 liter diet crush all day as a “hydration hack”
Don't the bacteria die anyway and release those toxins? They have a short lifespan of typically 12h.
Maybe the coconut oil causes a short spike in endotoxin release, but the coconut oil is helping reduce the total amount of bacteria, therefore reducing the endotoxin release in the long run.
Maybe take the coconut oil with something that cleans the released endotoxins(charcoal and carrots) when you first start consuming it.
@@Augusto9588almost like some old man described to do. Coconut oil on carrots. Some salt.
01:33:00 I find it easier to not buy... that way no temptation within the home environment.
Jay. How can I have an intellectual conversation about peats recommendation of RHR of 80-90. This is associated with a 200-400% increase in all cause mortality in virtually every study dating back decades all around the world and is essentially unachieveable without horrible fitness or exogenous hormones. you are among the best educated and well rounded peaters but I have spent weeks trying to talk about this topic on twitter with peaters and nobody can reference anything than peats articles and Barnes book. Please advise.
All health markers needs to be interpreted in context. For example, high LDL and triglycerides are highly associated with insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in Western populations, but this isn't the case in native populations eating a high-carb diet. While the RHR can be indicative of the metabolic rate, it's also influenced by aerobic fitness, circulation/oxygenation, the efficiency of heart contractility, etc., which all need to be considered when looking at population-wide data (and of course when looking at an individual's RHR).
@@JFwellnessI really am not going to accept the "within context" argument cause many peaters claim that but its just a deflection. My argument is that there is NEVER a time where a RHR that high can be ideal and is correlated with a higher all cause mortality than smoking even probably.
Myself I eat excess calories, probably 300-400 carbs per day, am only moderately fit at a 50 VO2Max and my RHR is around 50. I genuinely believe its actually impossible to have a RHR of 80+ without being signiifcantly unhealthy OR you are peating and taking exogenous hormones, stimulants and constantly feeding sugar into the system every few hours that as soon as the body has just fiunished digesting, its already digesting again keeping the RHR high.
I know many many people who are again moderately fit, some sports, some cardio, lift weights, all eat in "bulking" excess with tons of carbs, none of them are pro athletes or spending hours per day exercising, NONE of them even have a RHR above 60. Ive never once in the wild seen a fit and healthy person with a RHR above 65 so its not fair for you to use the same argument as the low educated peaters as "context".
Where is the context where 85rhr is ever achieved naturally without exogenous hormones or poor cardiovascular fitness and oxygen utizliation (which i would argue peating would not change the ACM outcomes)
One side of science shows that RHR, Vo2max, Respritory rate and HRV are the most correlated things with both health span and life span. Having a high vo2 max and high RHR almost doesnt exist. Having a high HRV and a high RHR almost doesnt eixst. Having a low respiratory rate and a high RHR almost doesnt exist. How is it that the 4 more correlated items on the planet to health span and life span all contradict an 85RHR but then peaters are dead sure because of a hyper focus on thyroid function and one book that talks about metabolic rate and RHR means that 80+ RHR can be ideal or is potentially even ideal within context.
This is where im asking for someone like you and your colleagues to actually present some data points that actually argue in favor of 80+ RHR even within specific context cause im seeing none. Im seeting 99% of people with a RHR above 80 being severely sick and hving horrible health and fitness. But a specific supplementation and lifestyle rituatl puts people artificially into the 80+ RHR and you are just using the word context to say that maybe its ideal maybe its not. Lets talk about the evidence that points to it ever being ideal rather than just leaving it at *muh context*
I had to look up what RHR is. Mine is low. So is my blood pressure. I tend to be cold. Skinny since forever.
It’s not a deflection, it’s the only accurate way to view it (in my opinion) - it’s the only thing that accounts for why an increase in RHR can be either positive or negative depending on what’s causing it, just like LDL or triglycerides. To be clear, in many instances an elevated RHR is the result of suboptimal state (meaning it’s not a good thing and associated with negative health outcomes). A low RHR is also often the result of a suboptimal state, and I’ve seen many times where someone’s RHR increases in a short period of time as their health improves without any detriment to their fitness. Also, I’m not saying that I agree that a RHR of 80-90 is optimal, but in some individuals it can be better than a lower HR depending on what’s responsible for the increased RHR.
Coconut oil is used in indian medicial practice "ayurveda" in a big way and has a proven track record of centuries....Indian areas where high amount of coconut oil is consumed has highest longitivity than other areas were people are more "westernised" in india...for example indian state Kerala have the highest consumption of coconut oil and has the highest life expectancy in india...sad part is india is adopting SAD in a big way to help big pharma increasing the GDP😂
I got one question for anyone, do you think someone that lives in fatty beef and beans would thrive off of something like that
Interesting about coconut oil and endotoxin. I remember hearing Dr. Gundry say the same thing about ten years ago... but I liked coconut oil and used it anyways! Lol guess my gut instinct was correct!
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1:25:57 so I shouldn’t be listening to this first thing in the morning
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1:23:25 no she doesn't have thyroid issue. Her thyroid is fine. She just probably eats stupid crash diet of 800kcal and maybe is estrogen dominant as well due to low zinc/copper ratio and probably deficiency of iodine, selenium etc..
53:39 it’s the end result of our reductionist view of health and medicine.
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Alan Aragon: Who?
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Who are these people being critiqued?