I've worked in forestry, enjoy hiking and travelling. I've got lost a few times. It's a kind of panic which is completely overwhelming. Makes you do odd things. Have to stop and give yourself a good talking too. Takes time, but if you don't you're doomed. RIP Michael.
I can’t imagine how scary it would feel to know you’re lost and not have any way to get back to safety. The thoughts that must go thru your head, the surge of adrenaline, thoughts of your family.
If he only had 200 feet to go to the turnaround point, the race officials just should have waited for him to join them and then they could have all traveled back down the trail together, giving him some moral support while ensuring he made it back safely. I don’t think the were responsible legally but it would have been the right thing to do since they seemed to realize he was struggling.
In my opinion they were responsible legally as well. The title "official" bears some responsibility with it, and not helping a clearly struggling participant should have, at the very least, a minor legal reprecussion.
I agree, they took their eyes off him knowing he was struggling when they could of just done the decent thing of sticking about to make sure he got to the finish line.
He wasn't struggling. He turned their mountain running race into a mountain walking event. He was well over a respectable walking time for a 65 year old and sat down periodically to rest and eat. The organisers hadn't arranged for his support because the job of waiting around with him while he attracted as many bears as possible wasn't appealing. An official has a duty of care to those racing and needs to move on to check for potentially injured people on the descent. He didn't really turn up for the race he was there for his own reasons. Event hijacking was nothing new to him having previously turned a ski race into a learn to ski event... twice. If it wasn't bears an official from one of his previous event hijacks probably murdered him.
My younger brother is exactly like Michael…since he was a child, he continually took insanely dangerous risks, despite being warned and even threatened with punishment. Nothing stopped him. As a result, my parents almost lost their minds, and he’s almost lost his life more times than I can count. Not to mention, he’s broken his back, (3 times that I know of), his pelvis, both wrists, both ankles, and only God knows how many head injuries he’s had. Of course, there are the snake & rodent bites, the attack of the hornets, the swarm of angry bees, several bear encounters, and countless other “minor” setbacks. He has adamantly denied all concerns, ignored all warnings, disregarded all advice, and broken any laws related to his latest escapade! Shockingly, he’s still alive, BUT there’s no doubt in the minds of everyone who knows him that he has a death wish! Maybe not consciously, but it’s there! But he’s also a good guy; he’s hysterically funny, sharp, witty, kind and generous, which is probably why none of us who love him haven’t killed him yet!😉 He isn’t easy to live with, but I can’t imagine life without him. My heart aches for Michael’s loved ones!
I had a classmate who was a risktaker. Always climbing, jumping, and touching things he shouldn't. Sadly, he died in his twenties when he lost his grip climbing a mountain. We weren't friends, but he was a good guy. I think the world lost a good guy that day.
"Big Lake" is very typical for official Alaska landmark names. I live in a AK fishing village. The creeks are named by their proximity to the village as "One Creek," Two Creek," and "Three Creek." The hills are likewise, "One Hill," "Two Hill," and "Three Hill." It is only the recycling of family names that keeps the children from being named "One Kid."
In Ontario we're all about Maple Lake, Turtle Lake, and Rock Lake. At some point you would think people would have noticed these are not defining characteristics. Every lake in the province has maple trees, turtles, and, yes, even rocks.
As an amputee I was the slowest runner in my class all through school from 1st grade to 12th. I realized something, years and years later I whish I had known it when I was a kid: The person who finished a race in last place, finished the race! There was only one time that I finished 2nd to last in first grade. I did that only because as the girl who had been in last place passed me, I pushed her down. I felt bad about it at once and I just knew I was going to be in big trouble when she told on me. She did something even worse than telling on my, she *DIDN'T* tell on me. I never really understood why she didn't tell on me. I knew I would have told if I was in her place, then many years later I realized that she *HAD* been in last place, that means without me there to finish behind her *SHE* would have finished last. And knowing how it felt to always finish last, she decided to not tell because she understood why I had pushed her down. Can a 7-year old have such empathy? I wish she had told on me. I think there are times when an act of kindness on the person who hurt you is a much better revenge than an act of cruelty. It was for me at least. It made me realize that girl was a much better person than I am. I still feel bad about it nearly 50 years later. She probably doesn't even remember it. But I do, and I think it makes me a better person. After all, that's why we feel guilt.
Maybe, just maybe, she was scared of you and didn't want you to come looking for her to push her down again? I mean you were physical with her and that can be very frightening to a 7-yr-old. Or maybe she was just more mature than you. I don't know, but you should look her up and ask her.
Yes, yes, yes. I slapped a boy across the face in early gradeschool for messing with my jump roping. That image is seared into my brain, and I'm 63 and still like what on earth possessed you to do that. Shameful behavior on my part. And I never got in trouble either, so he must not have told either.
@@kencraig7308 when I was little and we tattled on siblings my mom beat everybody involved. Result was we learned to get along or remove ourselves from the situation, and I I'm lifelong friends with my siblings, no resentment
We were in Seward the day Michael disappeared. I was there to help my girlfriend tape up ( duct taping your shoes, socks and clothing to your body) and to wait for her to come down. We always figured that he got nabbed by a bear and was dragged off. Your idea that he missed the turnaround is a good one. I never knew he had a sight condition. I was pretty disgusted that a race official did not stay on the mountain with him.
@@jamesparlane9289 it’s not that I couldn’t sleep because dr Grande didn’t upload. I drank coffee that’s why I can’t sleep. I was really hoping dr Grande would upload to make me feel better.
I can see now where the confusion originated. It sounds like I was waiting all night for dr Grande to upload before letting myself sleep! No, dr Grande always uploads around 5/6am uk time
Thank you Dr. Grande. I’m realizing in life people can do what they want. They can take risks. Everybody’s different. The only risk I take, is walk gingerly to get to my couch and watch your videos before the dog gets on my lap with my heated blanket.
Nice, warm, and luxuriously living. Even without the heated blanket, your dog would provide warm unless you lived in a minus 50-degree place. Reminded me of a friend's grandfather. He died doing the thing he loved, in his lazy chair with the TV on. Over indulgence kills, too.
Have to say that when I first started watching Dr Grande he seemed a bit monotone, not very animated, but his analysis is always intriguing, and then a little comical side mixed in. That was a year ago and of course here I am still hooked on his delivery. Thank you Sir 👍👍
I follow these cases, and others featured in Missing 411: The Hunted. I’ve heard Michael’s story several times. It amazes me in this day and age how the world can still just swallow someone whole.
If you live near a forests you can easily understand. Many of us have gotten lost with one tiny wrong misstep. Everything looks the same . If you don't have knowledge of the area you are in, the right equipment and clothing, you are screwed
That’s why I don’t really feel sorry for him. He wasn’t young anymore, and he CONTINUALLY put himself in danger- that is SELFISH when you have a family.
You're great dead dry humor. Mirrors 40s and 50s noir film scrips. "A better estimate would have been ... never". Dr Grande I watch you're great show everyday. I'm 65 and I sat here in my garage in Southern California. This story is in Alaska and you told of this guy getting in a lake freezing cold. My gosh I can barely handle the cold down here in Anaheim tonight.
I was in Alaska that year and I went to Seward a few days after the race. The disappearance was all people could talk about, amd as a visitor to the state I remember the event underscoring my very healthy sense of caution in such a wild and unpredictable place. Sad for his family.
I am curious, were people generally sympathetic? I remember Jon Krakauer stating that when he was researching Chris McCandless that he found many Alaskans to be quiet harsh in their judgments. In a way, I understand, people do not always use common sense and that state tends to draw the personality type that believes they can survive anything in the wild - when in fact they can't. Still, sympathy for families does seems appropriate.
I've climbed Mount Marathon twice and it's pretty hard to get lost on it as you can clearly see the town of Seward from the top as it's not forested at all. My bet is a brown bear was looking for dinner and found it.
But wouldn’t the people searching for him at least find some remnant of his clothing if a bear are him ? Do bears drag bodies to caves? Maybe he was dragged off and hidden, I guess ?
@@pjnix5618 They can easily be dragged off somewhere by a bear. People have been found shoved into logs and crevices half eaten. I think sometimes the clothes get at least partially eaten too. Pretty gruesome.
That's a good point about the state of the mountain and always being able to see the lights of Seward. I wonder if that was beyond what his eyesight could detect... but it does seem like it might be blurry but still detectable. I would say a bear too, especially since nobody can find any trace of him.
Hey.. Take it easy on Big Lake.. my Family use to live there. Lived in Ak many years. That Race is Famous. Lots of people die in the Frontier. Many activities are death defying in Ak. That's one reason people live there. Thanks for the presentation and analysis
Like most people growing up in rural Australia, I did time in the emergency services because there's a need for some kind of safety net when people get into trouble. There simply will not be a helicopter flight to hospital or any chance of ambulances or police rescue turning up for a long old time. This works well in the sense that most people having fun in the country are prepared for some kind of eventualities and will carry a radio, GPS locator or something which will greatly assist in helping them be found if it all goes to hell. It happens, happy to help. Then there's the other lot like Michael, unprepared, ill equipped and out of their league The idiots who drive through flood waters, get lost in the mountains with no water, proper footware or tell anyone where they're going. They're an absolute pain in the arse to get out of trouble if they're found at all because it rapidly goes from half a day's job to go find them into many days and dozens of people who will have to put aside what they're doing to go find Mr Dumbdumb who went boating in a gale or didn't pack any emergency equipment because they never needed it. But when it comes down to it, no one wants to risk their life saving someone who has no consideration for others, themselves or the consequences of their actions. The organisers of the race obviously need a better lawyer on hand because it would lesson the risk of them being dragged through the courts by either participants or family of the casualties going nuts on them for Mr Dumbdumb eating shit falling off a hill.
Aussie here too. 👋 They often show these "we found them!" in a positive light on the news with family reunions etc. but they piss me off because I think of the amount of money and resources that was wasted looking for and rescuing the unprepared idiots that take off into the bush, outback, wherever, or completely ignore 'do not enter' signs and climb over gates chained shut. Obviously I am excluding children and elderly people who may wander off.
I disagree with you about the chamber of commerce being responsible at all. Michael was told repeatedly of the danger and freely chose to participate. He was an adult and made his choices and suffered the consequence
Michael was clearly told NOT to enter the race if he'd never climbed Marathon mountain! The lawsuit should have been thrown out! Peggy shouldn't have received one penny! If Michael was last and far behind everyone, essentially he was alone in a dangerous wilderness where any number of things could happen to him. He put himself at serious risk against all warnings!
He acted incredibly irresponsible and selfish. A person his age should know his/her boundaries and should be aware, that by this kind of behavior he/she shifts responsibility and thereby potentially endangers others. I agree. There shouldn't have been a law suit and no payment whatsoever.
Dr. Grande’s delivery, coupled with his wit and sarcasm is without a doubt, the best ASMR out there. I hope he knows how enjoyable it is to listen to his videos.
When you you are constantly dealing with grief and loss, sometimes staring death in the face in an exhilarating context is the only way to move past it all.
Sounds like Michael was an adrenaline junkie or someone refusing to grow old. I do think someone could have joined him just to assist him. Or an experienced person running along the last contender. I hope they have done something about this after Michael's ordeal. Great episode, Dr. Grande.
Usually events do have a tail end Charlie official. It's not a job most want to do. You'll be walking along and taking breaks stuck at the pace of a person living out their dream of participating in a race without grasping the concept of the training and preparation involved. The supported person might get murdered by the experienced person so they can go a bit further ahead and support someone injured.
In Amerika people are artificially" helped" or assisted, fool proofed to do anything, and this race showed what happens if the "American way" does not support the one whose ego is big...
I live in Michigan, I'll bet there's multiple lakes named "Big Lake" and also "Long Lake" which one is only about a mile from here even though there's a few lakes within less than 5 miles that are actually LONGER. The most common lake names in the country are “Mud” (897 lakes), “Long” (400), “Twin” (400), “Horseshoe” (385), and “Round” (384). “Mud” is especially common east of the Missouri River, while “Twin” and “Horseshoe” are most popular in the West. According to a 2020 study published by the Association for the Sciences of Limnology and Oceanography, lakes are most regularly named after the following features: shape, color, appearance, mammals, trees, birds, and fish. “Little,” “Big,” and “Long” are the most popular lake shape names. “Black,” “Blue,” and “Silver” are the most popular colors. “Mud,” “Clear,” and “Rock” are the most popular appearances. “Bear,” “Beaver,” and “Deer” are the most popular mammals. “Pine,” “Cedar,” and “Willow” are the most popular trees. “Goose,” “Duck,” and “Eagle” are the most popular birds. And “Bass,” “Trout,” and “Perch” are the most popular fish.
You cannot rely on luck forever some day life catches up with you. Possibly that man needed counceling himself on why he needed to risk his life all the time.
He was a bad weekend warrior. Probably thought his middle name was risk & he ate danger for breakfast. Ok buddy -- Should've stuck to those lame 'tough mudder' events for 40 & 50-somethings...
I think that the officials probably should have looked after Mike better. But still, I don't think that they were there as babysitters. It was pretty ridiculous for Mike to not have scouted the route at all prior to the race, especially when it was to begin late in the afternoon. I would not care for his litigious wife.
This is a refreshingly objective assessment of this disappearance. Far too many people use this case to imply goofy [albeit entertaining] conspiracy theories and in doing so leave out a lot of details…
thinking the same thing, other cases that also have one rational video revealing important facts noone else mentions are.. dyatlov pass group found semi naked and dead outside their tent-- their journal had recently stated their gas cooker had smoked out their tent recently, and it's not hard to believe you would cut your tent open to get out if you couldnt breathe or see, even in sub zero temperatures.Then all it took from there was a small avalanche to cover the tent up, Interestingly the people found with burns are explained by being so cold without clothes even tho theyd managed to light a fire that they got so close trying to get warm they wouldve been actually touching flame. Aaron Hedges missing in the crazies, with searchers finding his shoes and bits of his backpack during search and eventually his bones being found with his gear in a spot where a couples house was clearly visible.--- turns out he was on medication to treat alcohol addiction, he very likely left his hunting partners on purpose instead of returning after visiting his spare gear cache, with txts supporting this. Knowing this he easily would have been just ahead of the area searchers were looking in. Mary Celeste-- Ships that carried a cargo like alcohol needed to ventilate their holds reguarly to prevent potentially explosive gas buildup, but in the days prior to the crew going missing heavy rains meant this wouldnt have been possible. The smoking gun is that not only was a lifeboat missing but a rope was found hanging loose that had been severed or cut. The ship was found with sails at half raised meaning if they believed they had to leave the ship to avoid what they believed was a dangerous situation with the gas and the rope that tethered them had broken they wouldnt have been able to catch the ship even in light wind.
@@anthonykissin8228 100% I have commented this exact thing (mentioning the same cases) on countless David Paulides videos…. Don’t get me wrong…I’m deeply familiar with cryptid lord and find it endlessly entertaining but it’s really aggravating when people leave out inconvenient truths when referencing a real person who has a family. Using this to imply Bigfootery is unnecessary! It’s entertaining without the false information!
@@freeman7079 that's the thing right? I just watched a vid on the poor lady that disappeared off the Appalachian trail, and it turned out she was only a few hundred feet from searchers and neither she nor they knew it, crazy and fascinating. It just makes it really hard to believe what someone says after you've discovered just one misreported case.
It’s kinda like the ppl who climb over the fences of theme parks that all have danger signs on them and get killed, and then the family sues the park. 😬😑 That being said, if I were a race official I wouldn’t have felt right not keeping an eye out for a guy that was lagging behind.
Apologies if I missed the discussion of the number of participants. But I am wondering why they did not have a check-in step beforehand to get an accurate count of how many actually started the race and then counted those who came back. It would have been best to have a group ready to search up the path for anyone who did not return after a certain time period of the race ending.
He had a race number so they should have known how many people had gone up, but relying at the top on a racer to tell them hey I'm the last guy was ridiculous.
Oh look, a race where traumatic brain injuries, broken bones, bloody wounds, exhaustion, and encounters with dangerous wildlife are guaranteed 99% of the time. Let's participate in it!
I've never understood 'thrill seekers'. This was a great video, Dr. Grande! Your wit made me laugh several times! Loved the, "When they were asked what to name it, were they like, 'I don't know. It's a lake, and it's big. How about Big Lake.'" 😆
I wouldn't mind listening to Dr. Grande giving his analysis on the universe and all things astrophysics. He has that perfect sleepy voice but at the same time being informative🌌💤
At some point you have to step back and understand that the people who love and depend on you are more important than scaling mountains. This race injures better people. How did he think he could survive this? He put his family, and numerous strangers into dangerous spots just so he could chase a thrill.
Michael was a bad weekend warrior. He probably thought his middle name was risk & he ate danger for breakfast every day. Ha ha - ok buddy. He should've stuck to those stupid 'tough mudder' events for 40 & 50-somethings...
To work as a grief counselor in Anchorage must've been highly difficult. Is it possible he felt invincible? He enjoyed hiking and swimming and sensation seeking amidst these aggressive elements - who wouldn't in his case? Clearly, his near death adventures got the best of him. He felt he could. Between the bears and the altitude, the races are more challenging than the average hiker/ jogger/ walker. All the applicants receiving lottery didn't mean the hikers would be prepared. In the middle of the race, he must've felt pressure and drive. Certainly the race is dangerous. No one realized there was a problem UNTIL IT WAS GETTING DARK HELLO THAT'S A PROBLEM.
Down to my Twilight that time of the year they will not let anybody up there anytime close to Twilight up there has to be during the day it is dangerous you can be turned around and end up who knows where
Glad to see that someone else notices the cacti! Lol. I want start a petition to exchange red, white & blue cactus for green stripe cactus! It's been gone too long! LOL
It’s tragic to hear how the officials didn’t wait for him. At least he did what he love doing. I’m sorry that this happened to his family. May he rest in peace.
In fact they waited for days sending helicopters up there fire truck took the keep up there volunteers Skyward though race conditions and mount Marathon before they left when it got dark and then they did it again the next day
@@TheMariemarie16 I I said have her a frame that, the fire department weights until everyone is down after 2 hours to start to go look for somebody if they're still not off the mountain and Uncle up with helicopters sorry if I didn't make myself clear
Such a odd thing to have had happen. Very sad. Hopefully there will be some answers as to what happened for his family. Thanks for the video Dr. Grande, keep up the great work!
Every race I’ve been on has had a mop-up/ follow up system. Someone who runs at the very back to ensure everyone finishes. The organisers hold some responsibility but, that being said, people really need to know their limits and when to give up. Hubris can be a killer.
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for another great video. I enjoy watching and listening to your analysis of the cases you show us with appreciation. This was an interesting case to hear. Best Regards.
I was on the mountain cheering for friends during this race, it was super cold and raining. I also grew up with Michael and Peggy’s son, wonderful guy. Peggy used to be a volunteer parent on school field trips, they were a nice family.
I'm more interested in the search for Michael than anything else in this case. That's not a very big area, how long was he missing before the search started, how long did they search, why couldn't they find what happened to him? Now I have to Google his name to find out.
When you start the race you have to go through shell before he even hit the dents Forest then after you get through the forest you're straight on the hill we have to turn around point and come back go through it again issue is behind Mount Marathon there is a bowl and Everywhere You Look it's just mountains no Trail no nothing. There is a Jeep Trail that goes up there and it is not a nice ride it's a very very dangerous mountain it is very deceiving you're only running up the face of it hundreds and hundreds of people have already run the race hundreds more just walk them down the path the path is marked during the race was filmed with various cameras, the fire department stays till the last man is town but after a while they started to get worried and went up the Mountain to find nothing so they scoured that mountain dangerous some of the people have broken legs and arms from running this race more often than not people have cuts and are bleeding by the time we finish is it it is a very deceiving Mountain
WOW Dr. G this particular video brought back so many memories for this Shirt Lady commenter on your channel. I built my first home on property surrounding "THIS" Big Lake in Alaska in the late 70's early 80's. This is a HUGELY Known race in Alaska because of all the tragedies and what goes into trying to tackle this route. Thanks for covering it. !
Traveling in Alaska one will encounter many variations of signs saying "Next anything 300 miles." One of the few places where you are truly on you own, and I for one like it that way. This gentleman entered the race knowing the dangers (perhaps downplaying them to a dangerous extent) but I feel the "your on your own" aspect is why many enter such an event. There are countless events with EMT's and first responders following they could enter instead. Not everything need be a safe space...
I'm from Big Lake & it is not freezing. Everyone here goes swimming in it during the summer. As for the name, Big Lake: There are multiple small lakes here at Big Lake is a relatively small area. When Big Lake was just a settlement, the only way to give accurate directions for someone traveling the trails was to use the 'big lake' as a guide. Unless you've been in the Alaskan wilderness, you probably won't understand the terrain & the need for landmarks.
Hello from Australia. Wonder if you'd be interested in giving your thoughts on now deceased Cardinal George Pell. I'm sure a lot of former Catholics like me here in Australia would like your analysis of the man and his career.
Damn near everyone in any positing in the hierarchy of the priesthood should go to hell. I personally don’t believe that there is a single ordained priest who didn’t know about the conspiracy of maintaining/protecting/enabling pedophiles by the time they are ordained. So if they aren’t guilty by commission, they are certainly guilty by omission - by not saying anything.
Wow he went above and beyond so many times! Scary behavior for anyone but especially when you have wife and family. Very sad! His family asked him not to go. I agree with your analysis 100%.
I find it interesting that these activities go against life preservation yet it is something done in name of life enjoyment.🤔 Thank you for reviewing this intriguing case, Dr. Grande.❤
You did it again Dr Grande. I love your stories. I wish you would countless me. You would probably write a book on my life and it would be a best seller. I really mean that. Not many people have gone through what I have suffered, but as they say, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Without a test, there’s no testimony. First 4 letters in testimony is test. Have a blessed day. I love your channel
It says "land of 10,000 lakes" on our car license plates in MN. I don't know how many of them are named but at least one near my home is named, you guessed it Big Lake lolz
I can't believe the "race officials" just left him on his own-especially since the race was over with all the other contestants down the mountain. So awful.
Advanced glaucoma can make stepping down to another level difficult, because you can lose your perception of depth. This is particularly the case with lower vision field loss. As for eye surgery, glaucoma surgery doesn't improve vision, it can only help to stop the progression of vision loss. However some people may have cataracts too, removal of which would make vision clearer. I understand his drive not to let glaucoma stop him from doing what he loved. It's a frightening prospect knowing you may one day go blind. But it takes a certain kind of person to take those risks. As for his driving licence, peripheral side vision is most important in driving, so if he did well on that test, and taking into account his history, he could be deemed fit to drive. It's my guess he made it to the top but stumbled on the descent, either falling to his death or lying injured.
Many people do not realize this but in an unfamiliar wilderness you can get lost easily and quickly. He was about 200 feet from the way point when he got lost and I'm telling you that you could get lost 20 feet from the trail. Do not ever... EVER attempt this sort of thing without a phone/gps device. You may pay.for your adventure with your life.
There are two lakes in Lassen National Park. One lake drains into the other via a short stream and waterfall. They are named Upper Lake and Lower Lake. Still, it's better than "Clear Lake" especially if the lake is not clear.
Hi Dr Grande, thank you for reviewing this case. I’ve joined Patreon. I still watch thru u tube because I don’t know how to use Patreon.😊 I don’t understand why people like Michael do these things.
Thank you Dr. Grande! An interesting analysis. I think MIchael was going to do only what he wanted to do, and not put safety first. You are the best!! 🌵💕from Jean
I was there in 2012 in Seward. Not racing, but down in town drinking. Poor Michael. 😢 it’s such a weird case because it’s not a huge area. Kind of a little fishbowl. And you wouldn’t get lost and go down the wrong side of the mountain because intuitively you’d go towards the inlet (water looks like the ocean) if you were lost. Unless his eyesight was just that bad. Maybe he did go to the summit but that seems unlikely too because most people know when they’ve gone more than a mile and a half when it’s that steep. And in Alaska at that time of year it’s light out until late. When you’re standing there looking at the place, it seems so bizarre that he could vanish like that. Maybe he had a stroke or something and got disoriented and wandered off in a direction they would never logically look for him.
I've been to Seward, which is absolutely beautiful. I hiked up to an old mine opening above the town and it was very steep and rough. Trying to run it would be cuckoo.
Danger was like a drug. So is feeling like a victim, so is anger, so are a lot of mental states. I think maybe he passed out and a bear ate him. Bears need food too.
Thanks Dr. Grande for another excellent episode. I'm not diagnosing anybody; only speculating on what could be happening but could our fave doctor have a cactus obsession? LOL
Listening to Dr. Grande analyze a case is one of my favorite ways to fall asleep. Thanks for all your hard work Dr. Grande.
You have to watch again in the morning!! 😂
I love it too, but it has to be ones I've heard before, otherwise I cannot fall asleep until it's over!
very soothing voice and very unbiased on the most part.
a good WWII documentary 4 me works well. ✈️ 💣
same here... thought I was the only one lol. otherwise I listen at 2X :-)
My husband is from here and did this race yearly. I did it once and it is *brutal*.
I've worked in forestry, enjoy hiking and travelling. I've got lost a few times. It's a kind of panic which is completely overwhelming. Makes you do odd things. Have to stop and give yourself a good talking too. Takes time, but if you don't you're doomed. RIP Michael.
Yes he is now reincarnated as bear poop
@@daveh4925 Yeah, Dave. Poop. The same as you and the horse you rode in on.
@@simonbletsoe7059 Lol he's the scatman
I can’t imagine how scary it would feel to know you’re lost and not have any way to get back to safety. The thoughts that must go thru your head, the surge of adrenaline, thoughts of your family.
Getting lost in the wilderness is a primal fear. Few modern days people get to experience it. That’s why it is so overwhelming.
If he only had 200 feet to go to the turnaround point, the race officials just should have waited for him to join them and then they could have all traveled back down the trail together, giving him some moral support while ensuring he made it back safely. I don’t think the were responsible legally but it would have been the right thing to do since they seemed to realize he was struggling.
Maybe he did wait. I think Tom killed Micheal. By sending that text message he bought himself an hour and a half to commit the crime.
In my opinion they were responsible legally as well. The title "official" bears some responsibility with it, and not helping a clearly struggling participant should have, at the very least, a minor legal reprecussion.
I agree, they took their eyes off him knowing he was struggling when they could of just done the decent thing of sticking about to make sure he got to the finish line.
He wasn't struggling. He turned their mountain running race into a mountain walking event. He was well over a respectable walking time for a 65 year old and sat down periodically to rest and eat. The organisers hadn't arranged for his support because the job of waiting around with him while he attracted as many bears as possible wasn't appealing. An official has a duty of care to those racing and needs to move on to check for potentially injured people on the descent. He didn't really turn up for the race he was there for his own reasons. Event hijacking was nothing new to him having previously turned a ski race into a learn to ski event... twice. If it wasn't bears an official from one of his previous event hijacks probably murdered him.
@@tumekeehoa3121agree completely...this man was fully in control of his situation and fully responsible for any outcome
My younger brother is exactly like Michael…since he was a child, he continually took insanely dangerous risks, despite being warned and even threatened with punishment. Nothing stopped him. As a result, my parents almost lost their minds, and he’s almost lost his life more times than I can count. Not to mention, he’s broken his back, (3 times that I know of), his pelvis, both wrists, both ankles, and only God knows how many head injuries he’s had. Of course, there are the snake & rodent bites, the attack of the hornets, the swarm of angry bees, several bear encounters, and countless other “minor” setbacks. He has adamantly denied all concerns, ignored all warnings, disregarded all advice, and broken any laws related to his latest escapade!
Shockingly, he’s still alive, BUT there’s no doubt in the minds of everyone who knows him that he has a death wish! Maybe not consciously, but it’s there! But he’s also a good guy; he’s hysterically funny, sharp, witty, kind and generous, which is probably why none of us who love him haven’t killed him yet!😉 He isn’t easy to live with, but I can’t imagine life without him. My heart aches for Michael’s loved ones!
I had a classmate who was a risktaker. Always climbing, jumping, and touching things he shouldn't. Sadly, he died in his twenties when he lost his grip climbing a mountain. We weren't friends, but he was a good guy. I think the world lost a good guy that day.
"Big Lake" is very typical for official Alaska landmark names. I live in a AK fishing village. The creeks are named by their proximity to the village as "One Creek," Two Creek," and "Three Creek." The hills are likewise, "One Hill," "Two Hill," and "Three Hill." It is only the recycling of family names that keeps the children from being named "One Kid."
🤣🤣😅
😂 “one first, blue fish, red fish, blue fish!”
In Ontario we're all about Maple Lake, Turtle Lake, and Rock Lake. At some point you would think people would have noticed these are not defining characteristics. Every lake in the province has maple trees, turtles, and, yes, even rocks.
Yep. It’s true
In Indonesia first sons have same name, second sons too etc
As an amputee I was the slowest runner in my class all through school from 1st grade to 12th.
I realized something, years and years later I whish I had known it when I was a kid: The person who finished a race in last place, finished the race!
There was only one time that I finished 2nd to last in first grade. I did that only because as the girl who had been in last place passed me, I pushed her down.
I felt bad about it at once and I just knew I was going to be in big trouble when she told on me. She did something even worse than telling on my, she *DIDN'T* tell on me.
I never really understood why she didn't tell on me. I knew I would have told if I was in her place, then many years later I realized that she *HAD* been in last place, that means without me there to finish behind her *SHE* would have finished last. And knowing how it felt to always finish last, she decided to not tell because she understood why I had pushed her down. Can a 7-year old have such empathy?
I wish she had told on me.
I think there are times when an act of kindness on the person who hurt you is a much better revenge than an act of cruelty. It was for me at least. It made me realize that girl was a much better person than I am. I still feel bad about it nearly 50 years later.
She probably doesn't even remember it. But I do, and I think it makes me a better person. After all, that's why we feel guilt.
Maybe, just maybe, she was scared of you and didn't want you to come looking for her to push her down again? I mean you were physical with her and that can be very frightening to a 7-yr-old. Or maybe she was just more mature than you. I don't know, but you should look her up and ask her.
Yes, yes, yes. I slapped a boy across the face in early gradeschool for messing with my jump roping. That image is seared into my brain, and I'm 63 and still like what on earth possessed you to do that. Shameful behavior on my part. And I never got in trouble either, so he must not have told either.
Wish my sister would have done that, would have saved me a lot of beatings from my Dad 😭
It could be worse, you could have ended up as bear poop like this guy - you should forgive yourself as you felt bad, thats enough.
@@kencraig7308 when I was little and we tattled on siblings my mom beat everybody involved. Result was we learned to get along or remove ourselves from the situation, and I I'm lifelong friends with my siblings, no resentment
"I feel like whoever named this lake did not invest enough creative effort" 🤣 The comedy in every episode is always on point 😅🙌
I’m a lawyer - my answer is “no city liability” - he was advised of, and assumed, the risks.
Wow, you're a lawyer? I'm so impressed with the knowledge you've demonstrated...
shout out to Big Lake, MN. not quite as dry as the Doc
We were in Seward the day Michael disappeared. I was there to help my girlfriend tape up ( duct taping your shoes, socks and clothing to your body) and to wait for her to come down. We always figured that he got nabbed by a bear and was dragged off. Your idea that he missed the turnaround is a good one. I never knew he had a sight condition. I was pretty disgusted that a race official did not stay on the mountain with him.
why tape your clothes? @sponge
@@vancer Protection.
@@vancer don't kink shame
I think he ended in a pile of bear poop
protection? how so? im curious. where would u use the duct tape? on ripped clothing? im confused.
Guys I cannot sleep and I’ve been waiting for dr Grande to upload all night. It’s 05:33. Dr Grande has delivered. Hopefully now I will sleep
IAm not diagnosing anybody but you may want to look up his video on OCD.
@@jamesparlane9289 what makes you say that?
I am not diagnosing anybody either, simply giving my opinion, but you have a problem
@@jamesparlane9289 it’s not that I couldn’t sleep because dr Grande didn’t upload. I drank coffee that’s why I can’t sleep. I was really hoping dr Grande would upload to make me feel better.
I can see now where the confusion originated. It sounds like I was waiting all night for dr Grande to upload before letting myself sleep! No, dr Grande always uploads around 5/6am uk time
Thank you Dr. Grande. I’m realizing in life people can do what they want. They can take risks. Everybody’s different. The only risk I take, is walk gingerly to get to my couch and watch your videos before the dog gets on my lap with my heated blanket.
Nice, warm, and luxuriously living.
Even without the heated blanket, your dog would provide warm unless you lived in a minus 50-degree place.
Reminded me of a friend's grandfather. He died doing the thing he loved, in his lazy chair with the TV on. Over indulgence kills, too.
@@sammas2959 psycho alert 🧐
Sounds cozy and a nice dog.
My son is like this too.
Last thing before I fall asleep: Dr Grande…the minute I wake up: Dr Grande…If he ever takes a vacation I’ll have to hibernate.
Have to say that when I first started watching Dr Grande he seemed a bit monotone, not very animated, but his analysis is always intriguing, and then a little comical side mixed in. That was a year ago and of course here I am still hooked on his delivery. Thank you Sir 👍👍
Right mustard and watching him when he had less than 20,000 subscribers the change in his videos is so much better
I follow these cases, and others featured in Missing 411: The Hunted. I’ve heard Michael’s story several times. It amazes me in this day and age how the world can still just swallow someone whole.
If you live near a forests you can easily understand. Many of us have gotten lost with one tiny wrong misstep. Everything looks the same . If you don't have knowledge of the area you are in, the right equipment and clothing, you are screwed
There's no question....you can analyse anything Dr G
I feel sorry for his family, they must have known that his luck would run out one day. It would be hard to commit to someone like this.
Yeah, he had the fatal combo of adrenaline junkie crossed with shit planning and haphazard execution. He was always gonna take home a Darwin Award.
@@kitkakitteh at least he won one award for the mountain race
yes now he is reincarnated as a pile of bear poop - hes the scatman
His ego was more important then his family...
That’s why I don’t really feel sorry for him. He wasn’t young anymore, and he CONTINUALLY put himself in danger- that is SELFISH when you have a family.
You rock Dr Grande. Keep up the great work!
You're great dead dry humor. Mirrors 40s and 50s noir film scrips. "A better estimate would have been ... never". Dr Grande I watch you're great show everyday. I'm 65 and I sat here in my garage in Southern California. This story is in Alaska and you told of this guy getting in a lake freezing cold. My gosh I can barely handle the cold down here in Anaheim tonight.
Me too. BRRRR. Cold in Palm Desert.
Anacrime
When the bear chased the hiker…he wanted to invite her for dinner…😂
Interesting comparison.
I love film noir.
I was in Alaska that year and I went to Seward a few days after the race. The disappearance was all people could talk about, amd as a visitor to the state I remember the event underscoring my very healthy sense of caution in such a wild and unpredictable place. Sad for his family.
It's insane right?
I am curious, were people generally sympathetic? I remember Jon Krakauer stating that when he was researching Chris McCandless that he found many Alaskans to be quiet harsh in their judgments. In a way, I understand, people do not always use common sense and that state tends to draw the personality type that believes they can survive anything in the wild - when in fact they can't. Still, sympathy for families does seems appropriate.
I've climbed Mount Marathon twice and it's pretty hard to get lost on it as you can clearly see the town of Seward from the top as it's not forested at all. My bet is a brown bear was looking for dinner and found it.
But wouldn’t the people searching for him at least find some remnant of his clothing if a bear are him ? Do bears drag bodies to caves? Maybe he was dragged off and hidden, I guess ?
@@pjnix5618 They can easily be dragged off somewhere by a bear. People have been found shoved into logs and crevices half eaten. I think sometimes the clothes get at least partially eaten too. Pretty gruesome.
That's a good point about the state of the mountain and always being able to see the lights of Seward. I wonder if that was beyond what his eyesight could detect... but it does seem like it might be blurry but still detectable. I would say a bear too, especially since nobody can find any trace of him.
Hey.. Take it easy on Big Lake.. my Family use to live there. Lived in Ak many years. That Race is Famous. Lots of people die in the Frontier. Many activities are death defying in Ak. That's one reason people live there.
Thanks for the presentation and analysis
They have a death wish?
@@LaniLanilei adrenaline Junkies thrive up here
Like most people growing up in rural Australia, I did time in the emergency services because there's a need for some kind of safety net when people get into trouble. There simply will not be a helicopter flight to hospital or any chance of ambulances or police rescue turning up for a long old time. This works well in the sense that most people having fun in the country are prepared for some kind of eventualities and will carry a radio, GPS locator or something which will greatly assist in helping them be found if it all goes to hell. It happens, happy to help.
Then there's the other lot like Michael, unprepared, ill equipped and out of their league
The idiots who drive through flood waters, get lost in the mountains with no water, proper footware or tell anyone where they're going. They're an absolute pain in the arse to get out of trouble if they're found at all because it rapidly goes from half a day's job to go find them into many days and dozens of people who will have to put aside what they're doing to go find Mr Dumbdumb who went boating in a gale or didn't pack any emergency equipment because they never needed it. But when it comes down to it, no one wants to risk their life saving someone who has no consideration for others, themselves or the consequences of their actions.
The organisers of the race obviously need a better lawyer on hand because it would lesson the risk of them being dragged through the courts by either participants or family of the casualties going nuts on them for Mr Dumbdumb eating shit falling off a hill.
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
You sound just like the kinda guy I want saving me, good job mate 🤠👏
Aussie here too. 👋 They often show these "we found them!" in a positive light on the news with family reunions etc. but they piss me off because I think of the amount of money and resources that was wasted looking for and rescuing the unprepared idiots that take off into the bush, outback, wherever, or completely ignore 'do not enter' signs and climb over gates chained shut. Obviously I am excluding children and elderly people who may wander off.
I disagree with you about the chamber of commerce being responsible at all. Michael was told repeatedly of the danger and freely chose to participate. He was an adult and made his choices and suffered the consequence
Didnt he say most people finish the race in less then 1 hour? How could this guy get lost when the race is fairly short? A bear got him
Michael was clearly told NOT to enter the race if he'd never climbed Marathon mountain! The lawsuit should have been thrown out! Peggy shouldn't have received one penny! If Michael was last and far behind everyone, essentially he was alone in a dangerous wilderness where any number of things could happen to him. He put himself at serious risk against all warnings!
He acted incredibly irresponsible and selfish. A person his age should know his/her boundaries and should be aware, that by this kind of behavior he/she shifts responsibility and thereby potentially endangers others. I agree. There shouldn't have been a law suit and no payment whatsoever.
and the safety of the runners was the responsibility of the organizers and officials so..
@@Sputterbug - NO . ADULTS are responsible for RHEMSELVES . Wth is wrong with you ?
Thank you for saving my belief in sanity amongst this sea of crying entitled children ❤️
Dr. Grande’s delivery, coupled with his wit and sarcasm is without a doubt, the best ASMR out there.
I hope he knows how enjoyable it is to listen to his videos.
Dr. Grande, would you please do an analysis of Dr. Todd Grande's infatuation with cacti? We are very curious and interested!
Hehe....I noticed that too
How did I not notice.
Thank you for how often you are uploading!! We appreciate you, Dr. Grande!! 👍🙌
When you you are constantly dealing with grief and loss, sometimes staring death in the face in an exhilarating context is the only way to move past it all.
Sounds like Michael was an adrenaline junkie or someone refusing to grow old. I do think someone could have joined him just to assist him. Or an experienced person running along the last contender. I hope they have done something about this after Michael's ordeal. Great episode, Dr. Grande.
Usually events do have a tail end Charlie official. It's not a job most want to do. You'll be walking along and taking breaks stuck at the pace of a person living out their dream of participating in a race without grasping the concept of the training and preparation involved. The supported person might get murdered by the experienced person so they can go a bit further ahead and support someone injured.
In Amerika people are artificially" helped" or assisted, fool proofed to do anything, and this race showed what happens if the "American way" does not support the one whose ego is big...
Hemingway seemed to think if you weren't risking your life it wasn't even a real sport.
well now he's bear scat so...
@@daveh4925 He killed himself.
@@lichen420 Bear eat him and pooped him out
@@cht2162 He was an easy target.
I live in Michigan, I'll bet there's multiple lakes named "Big Lake" and also "Long Lake" which one is only about a mile from here even though there's a few lakes within less than 5 miles that are actually LONGER.
The most common lake names in the country are “Mud” (897 lakes), “Long” (400), “Twin” (400), “Horseshoe” (385), and “Round” (384). “Mud” is especially common east of the Missouri River, while “Twin” and “Horseshoe” are most popular in the West.
According to a 2020 study published by the Association for the Sciences of Limnology and Oceanography, lakes are most regularly named after the following features: shape, color, appearance, mammals, trees, birds, and fish.
“Little,” “Big,” and “Long” are the most popular lake shape names. “Black,” “Blue,” and “Silver” are the most popular colors. “Mud,” “Clear,” and “Rock” are the most popular appearances. “Bear,” “Beaver,” and “Deer” are the most popular mammals. “Pine,” “Cedar,” and “Willow” are the most popular trees. “Goose,” “Duck,” and “Eagle” are the most popular birds. And “Bass,” “Trout,” and “Perch” are the most popular fish.
Surprising he lived that long, really. Glad he was happy at least until the end.
I doubt he was too happy about being lost, desoriented, exhausted, maybe injured and dying.
You cannot rely on luck forever some day life catches up with you. Possibly that man needed counceling himself on why he needed to risk his life all the time.
There definitely was something going on with him.
He was a bad weekend warrior. Probably thought his middle name was risk & he ate danger for breakfast. Ok buddy --
Should've stuck to those lame 'tough mudder' events for 40 & 50-somethings...
" I don't know, it's a lake and it's big. How about Big Lake?" ROTFL🤣😂🤣
I think that the officials probably should have looked after Mike better. But still, I don't think that they were there as babysitters. It was pretty ridiculous for Mike to not have scouted the route at all prior to the race, especially when it was to begin late in the afternoon. I would not care for his litigious wife.
I'm on the North Slope as we speak. It's six hours away from Anchorage driving wise. It's an Oilfield and I fly to get here. I work in a Hotel there.
This is a refreshingly objective assessment of this disappearance. Far too many people use this case to imply goofy [albeit entertaining] conspiracy theories and in doing so leave out a lot of details…
Bigfoot. 🤣
thinking the same thing, other cases that also have one rational video revealing important facts noone else mentions are..
dyatlov pass group found semi naked and dead outside their tent-- their journal had recently stated their gas cooker had smoked out their tent recently, and it's not hard to believe you would cut your tent open to get out if you couldnt breathe or see, even in sub zero temperatures.Then all it took from there was a small avalanche to cover the tent up, Interestingly the people found with burns are explained by being so cold without clothes even tho theyd managed to light a fire that they got so close trying to get warm they wouldve been actually touching flame.
Aaron Hedges missing in the crazies, with searchers finding his shoes and bits of his backpack during search and eventually his bones being found with his gear in a spot where a couples house was clearly visible.--- turns out he was on medication to treat alcohol addiction, he very likely left his hunting partners on purpose instead of returning after visiting his spare gear cache, with txts supporting this. Knowing this he easily would have been just ahead of the area searchers were looking in.
Mary Celeste-- Ships that carried a cargo like alcohol needed to ventilate their holds reguarly to prevent potentially explosive gas buildup, but in the days prior to the crew going missing heavy rains meant this wouldnt have been possible. The smoking gun is that not only was a lifeboat missing but a rope was found hanging loose that had been severed or cut.
The ship was found with sails at half raised meaning if they believed they had to leave the ship to avoid what they believed was a dangerous situation with the gas and the rope that tethered them had broken they wouldnt have been able to catch the ship even in light wind.
@@anthonykissin8228 100%
I have commented this exact thing (mentioning the same cases) on countless David Paulides videos….
Don’t get me wrong…I’m deeply familiar with cryptid lord and find it endlessly entertaining but it’s really aggravating when people leave out inconvenient truths when referencing a real person who has a family. Using this to imply Bigfootery is unnecessary! It’s entertaining without the false information!
@@mountainstream8351 Bigfoot from outer space?
@@freeman7079 that's the thing right? I just watched a vid on the poor lady that disappeared off the Appalachian trail, and it turned out she was only a few hundred feet from searchers and neither she nor they knew it, crazy and fascinating. It just makes it really hard to believe what someone says after you've discovered just one misreported case.
It’s kinda like the ppl who climb over the fences of theme parks that all have danger signs on them and get killed, and then the family sues the park. 😬😑 That being said, if I were a race official I wouldn’t have felt right not keeping an eye out for a guy that was lagging behind.
Apologies if I missed the discussion of the number of participants. But I am wondering why they did not have a check-in step beforehand to get an accurate count of how many actually started the race and then counted those who came back. It would have been best to have a group ready to search up the path for anyone who did not return after a certain time period of the race ending.
He had a race number so they should have known how many people had gone up, but relying at the top on a racer to tell them hey I'm the last guy was ridiculous.
Oh look, a race where traumatic brain injuries, broken bones, bloody wounds, exhaustion, and encounters with dangerous wildlife are guaranteed 99% of the time. Let's participate in it!
I've never understood 'thrill seekers'.
This was a great video, Dr. Grande!
Your wit made me laugh several times!
Loved the, "When they were asked what to name it, were they like, 'I don't know. It's a lake, and it's big. How about Big Lake.'" 😆
Just a reminder , I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating on what could be happening in an Alaskan non-Iditarod race like this.
No Siberian Huskies were harmed during the filming of this video.
@@RealmCenter40 😀
@@RealmCenter40 lolz
I wouldn't mind listening to Dr. Grande giving his analysis on the universe and all things astrophysics. He has that perfect sleepy voice but at the same time being informative🌌💤
I’m addicted to Dr. G.
The original O.G (outstanding Grande!)
At some point you have to step back and understand that the people who love and depend on you are more important than scaling mountains. This race injures better people. How did he think he could survive this? He put his family, and numerous strangers into dangerous spots just so he could chase a thrill.
My son had a friend who was a daredevil. He got sponsored by a skate company. He died up the highway on a kids bike in the dark.
That kid sounds awesome. Legends never die.
Michael was a bad weekend warrior. He probably thought his middle name was risk & he ate danger for breakfast every day. Ha ha - ok buddy.
He should've stuck to those stupid 'tough mudder' events for 40 & 50-somethings...
To work as a grief counselor in Anchorage must've been highly difficult. Is it possible he felt invincible? He enjoyed hiking and swimming and sensation seeking amidst these aggressive elements - who wouldn't in his case? Clearly, his near death adventures got the best of him. He felt he could. Between the bears and the altitude, the races are more challenging than the average hiker/ jogger/ walker. All the applicants receiving lottery didn't mean the hikers would be prepared. In the middle of the race, he must've felt pressure and drive. Certainly the race is dangerous. No one realized there was a problem UNTIL IT WAS GETTING DARK HELLO THAT'S A PROBLEM.
Except that until winter it doesn't get dark really at all
It doesn’t get dark in July in Seward ak
He is now reincarned as bear scat - he's poop in a pile
Down to my Twilight that time of the year they will not let anybody up there anytime close to Twilight up there has to be during the day it is dangerous you can be turned around and end up who knows where
Doesn’t really get dark there at that time of year.
The cactus look like they're waving hi to us! Lol 😆
Glad to see that someone else notices the cacti! Lol.
I want start a petition to exchange red, white & blue cactus for green stripe cactus!
It's been gone too long! LOL
Cactuses are a little prickly but freindly company over all
Alaska could sell lake naming rights by sponsoring youtubers. Then there'd be names like Lakey McLakeface.
“The Lakester”
Body O'Water
@@quester09 😂
It’s tragic to hear how the officials didn’t wait for him.
At least he did what he love doing.
I’m sorry that this happened to his family.
May he rest in peace.
In fact they waited for days sending helicopters up there fire truck took the keep up there volunteers Skyward though race conditions and mount Marathon before they left when it got dark and then they did it again the next day
@@greendragon4058 She means that at the time that they saw him at 6pm on the day of the race, no one waited on him.
@@TheMariemarie16 I I said have her a frame that, the fire department weights until everyone is down after 2 hours to start to go look for somebody if they're still not off the mountain and Uncle up with helicopters sorry if I didn't make myself clear
Such a odd thing to have had happen. Very sad. Hopefully there will be some answers as to what happened for his family. Thanks for the video Dr. Grande, keep up the great work!
Every race I’ve been on has had a mop-up/ follow up system. Someone who runs at the very back to ensure everyone finishes. The organisers hold some responsibility but, that being said, people really need to know their limits and when to give up. Hubris can be a killer.
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for another great video. I enjoy watching and listening to your analysis of the cases you show us with appreciation. This was an interesting case to hear. Best Regards.
I've actually been swimming in Big Lake in Alaska. The town/ area is also called Big Lake. The one by Anchorage. It's wonderful in the summer!!
My favourite ASMR channel. I would love to get to the end of your videos, but your voice is so relaxing I have microsleeps :D
A common name for lakes in Denmark is Deep Lake. Another great video Dr. Grande!
Hey! I live off of Big Lake on Flat Lake. It’s not that cold I’m the summer. We drive on the ice road right now
I think some people just really like tempting fate. Thanks Dr. Grande. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻♥️♥️♥️
Michael is one more in the Cluster of 411 Missing !!! Tnx Dr. Grande😊
I like that the sponsor for this video sends full groceries instead of just portions
I was on the mountain cheering for friends during this race, it was super cold and raining. I also grew up with Michael and Peggy’s son, wonderful guy. Peggy used to be a volunteer parent on school field trips, they were a nice family.
I'm more interested in the search for Michael than anything else in this case. That's not a very big area, how long was he missing before the search started, how long did they search, why couldn't they find what happened to him? Now I have to Google his name to find out.
The area has very thick brush. One step within the brush and you’re completely concealed.
@@fireweedak .not from dogs tracking, smelling you
You can easily find him, just look for a pile of bear scat - thats him living his dream
@@daveh4925 ok I lolled
When you start the race you have to go through shell before he even hit the dents Forest then after you get through the forest you're straight on the hill we have to turn around point and come back go through it again issue is behind Mount Marathon there is a bowl and Everywhere You Look it's just mountains no Trail no nothing. There is a Jeep Trail that goes up there and it is not a nice ride it's a very very dangerous mountain it is very deceiving you're only running up the face of it hundreds and hundreds of people have already run the race hundreds more just walk them down the path the path is marked during the race was filmed with various cameras, the fire department stays till the last man is town but after a while they started to get worried and went up the Mountain to find nothing so they scoured that mountain dangerous some of the people have broken legs and arms from running this race more often than not people have cuts and are bleeding by the time we finish is it it is a very deceiving Mountain
He died doing what he loved. I don't think anyone could have stopped him. He was a very stubborn person
He is bear scat now, a pile of poop
@@daveh4925
Yep 👍
WOW Dr. G this particular video brought back so many memories for this Shirt Lady commenter on your channel. I built my first home on property surrounding "THIS" Big Lake in Alaska in the late 70's early 80's. This is a HUGELY Known race in Alaska because of all the tragedies and what goes into trying to tackle this route. Thanks for covering it. !
When you're 20 being spontaneous comes with the territory. When your 65 being spontaneous could end your life.
Maybe that was his covert choice.
Bravo. Excellent review. I was in Seward when this occurred but never got to hear all the background info-thank you.
Traveling in Alaska one will encounter many variations of signs saying "Next anything 300 miles." One of the few places where you are truly on you own, and I for one like it that way. This gentleman entered the race knowing the dangers (perhaps downplaying them to a dangerous extent) but I feel the "your on your own" aspect is why many enter such an event. There are countless events with EMT's and first responders following they could enter instead. Not everything need be a safe space...
I'm from Big Lake & it is not freezing. Everyone here goes swimming in it during the summer. As for the name, Big Lake: There are multiple small lakes here at Big Lake is a relatively small area. When Big Lake was just a settlement, the only way to give accurate directions for someone traveling the trails was to use the 'big lake' as a guide. Unless you've been in the Alaskan wilderness, you probably won't understand the terrain & the need for landmarks.
Hello from Australia. Wonder if you'd be interested in giving your thoughts on now deceased Cardinal George Pell. I'm sure a lot of former Catholics like me here in Australia would like your analysis of the man and his career.
Hi ,Australia here,lapsed Catholic,
Pell = guilty
@@kimryan8574 is a good Irish Catholic name. Yes ,Pell would go to Hell if there was such a place.
Hi can't do on my mobil
Damn near everyone in any positing in the hierarchy of the priesthood should go to hell. I personally don’t believe that there is a single ordained priest who didn’t know about the conspiracy of maintaining/protecting/enabling pedophiles by the time they are ordained. So if they aren’t guilty by commission, they are certainly guilty by omission - by not saying anything.
Wow he went above and beyond so many times! Scary behavior for anyone but especially when you have wife and family. Very sad! His family asked him not to go. I agree with your analysis 100%.
I find it interesting that these activities go against life preservation yet it is something done in name of life enjoyment.🤔
Thank you for reviewing this intriguing case, Dr. Grande.❤
You did it again Dr Grande. I love your stories. I wish you would countless me. You would probably write a book on my life and it would be a best seller. I really mean that. Not many people have gone through what I have suffered, but as they say, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Without a test, there’s no testimony. First 4 letters in testimony is test. Have a blessed day. I love your channel
It says "land of 10,000 lakes" on our car license plates in MN. I don't know how many of them are named but at least one near my home is named, you guessed it Big Lake lolz
I remember this case, but I'ma listen to the Dr. talk about it, anyway.
LMFAO at the big lake gag, your the best DR G 🤣
Can I see u smile one day? 🥰 You are great Dr g
I can't believe the "race officials" just left him on his own-especially since the race was over with all the other contestants down the mountain. So awful.
That's why now they have cameras up there and there's two people at every spot especially on top
Best rational coverage of this case…thank you
Advanced glaucoma can make stepping down to another level difficult, because you can lose your perception of depth. This is particularly the case with lower vision field loss. As for eye surgery, glaucoma surgery doesn't improve vision, it can only help to stop the progression of vision loss. However some people may have cataracts too, removal of which would make vision clearer.
I understand his drive not to let glaucoma stop him from doing what he loved. It's a frightening prospect knowing you may one day go blind. But it takes a certain kind of person to take those risks.
As for his driving licence, peripheral side vision is most important in driving, so if he did well on that test, and taking into account his history, he could be deemed fit to drive.
It's my guess he made it to the top but stumbled on the descent, either falling to his death or lying injured.
Love the background! Much better than the brick.
Many people do not realize this but in an unfamiliar wilderness you can get lost easily and quickly. He was about 200 feet from the way point when he got lost and I'm telling you that you could get lost 20 feet from the trail. Do not ever... EVER attempt this sort of thing without a phone/gps device. You may pay.for your adventure with your life.
Dr Grande is sarcastic +++++++...love it ...reminds me of my dad
There are two lakes in Lassen National Park. One lake drains into the other via a short stream and waterfall. They are named Upper Lake and Lower Lake.
Still, it's better than "Clear Lake" especially if the lake is not clear.
Hi Dr Grande, thank you for reviewing this case. I’ve joined Patreon. I still watch thru u tube because I don’t know how to use Patreon.😊 I don’t understand why people like Michael do these things.
I'm up late with you Dr. Grande it's 1:14 AM in florida!!!!
Dr grande has the Best UA-cam channel ❤
Yay! I'm here early for once!
Thanks Dr G!
Thank you Dr. Grande! An interesting analysis. I think MIchael was going to do only what he wanted to do, and not put safety first. You are the best!! 🌵💕from Jean
I was there in 2012 in Seward. Not racing, but down in town drinking. Poor Michael. 😢 it’s such a weird case because it’s not a huge area. Kind of a little fishbowl. And you wouldn’t get lost and go down the wrong side of the mountain because intuitively you’d go towards the inlet (water looks like the ocean) if you were lost. Unless his eyesight was just that bad. Maybe he did go to the summit but that seems unlikely too because most people know when they’ve gone more than a mile and a half when it’s that steep. And in Alaska at that time of year it’s light out until late. When you’re standing there looking at the place, it seems so bizarre that he could vanish like that. Maybe he had a stroke or something and got disoriented and wandered off in a direction they would never logically look for him.
Big Lake, Alaska, is also a place, just north of Anchorage, with a total area of 127.74 square miles, only12.30 square miles covered by water.
😂😂😂 Dr. G - you always make my day. 'the bear was probably trying to give her an invitation to dinner'
I really enjoyed this one, very interesting mystery. Hope you give your take on more stories of this nature. 😀
I visited “Hidden Lake” when I lived in Alaska. Unfortunately, lots of people knew where to find it! But it was lovely.
I've been to Seward, which is absolutely beautiful. I hiked up to an old mine opening above the town and it was very steep and rough.
Trying to run it would be cuckoo.
I like the fact you are doing missing persons cases now, very interesting story shared on other channels also.
Love these types of guys...You know who you are....
Danger was like a drug. So is feeling like a victim, so is anger, so are a lot of mental states. I think maybe he passed out and a bear ate him. Bears need food too.
Thanks Dr. Grande for another excellent episode. I'm not diagnosing anybody; only speculating on what could be happening but could our fave doctor have a cactus obsession? LOL