Did Chauffeur Throw Girlfriend Off Cliff Like a Spear? | Caroline Byrne Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
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I love how you couldn't hold back a smile while saying "attempting to maintain a spear like posture"
I didn't see him smile. To me, he looked confused when he said that.
@@cassy420blaze Why are you ruining his life
? I see no smile. That’s part of his humor.
You all have too much time on your hands and I'm wasting mine replying to your juvenile none se.
He didn't smile at all.
"stylish discount clothing"....Im rolling!!!
I discovered your channel quite by accident and I must say it is one of the best channels I've ever come across your analysis and take on cases are interesting and solid but most of all you are a funny hilarious person you could have been a straight man anywhere in this world and made a career out of it your delivery of humor
without even blinking an eye and yer cracks about New Jersey are freaking hilarious, most of all yer professionalism is never in question. I always look forward to yer new videos.
Thank you so much
That is exactly how I feel! The humor is a most in anyone’s life ❤
Welcome the club
That's how I feel every time I watch his videos. Imagine if everyone on Earth had the insight, the great critical thinking skills, the rationale, and the common sense etc. that Dr. Grande has...our world would be so much better if everyone had the same level of understanding and reasoning that he has. 🙄 I love watching all of his videos. Thank you Dr Grande for giving me faith that there are still people in our world with common sense 😂 alot of your videos feature idiots without common sense and your analysis is great every single time. You have a Great way of breaking down each story in a clear, understandable timeline and your humor just makes my day. ❤️
@@roxannespahr2804 It's rare these days to hear a clear-thinking, articulate person like Dr Grande. His intellect amazes me every time.
Beautifully punctuated....very well done!!
I think if someone tried to throw me "like a spear," I'd flail around, ruining the trajectory. If I were unconscious, I'd be limp and unspearlike. I love these weird cases you find, Dr. Grande, thanks!
I'd hold onto them so they fell too.
@@robynmarler3839 Good tip! I'll try to remember that in the event. 🥰
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Thank you, Doctor. These cases have a large impact on Australians. Other Sydney cases that may be worth looking into are the disappearance of activist Juanita Nielsen, the murder of Sallie-Anne Huckstep, and the murder of designer Florence Broadhurst.
And the horrific murder of Anita Cobby...
@@jm162 Her murder shocked the Australian public. The media chose to publish the details of the cruelty. The monsters were caught and convicted in that brutal case.
I never heard of dear Florence Broadhurst. A wow Lady. Thankyou.
@@justinwatson3216 I'd be interested to hear Dr Grande's opinion on those murderers and how they could become so callous...it was truly shocking how they degraded Anira.
@@justinwatson3216 I've been way too interested in true crime cases for way too many years, and Anita Cobby was the first case to leave me traumatized for hours after I watched a documentary about it. It's still one of the cases I know I'll never, ever forget. The murder was so horrific, and her poor husband didn't even get to grieve the loss... I'm Norwegian, so it's safe to say that case shocked people far, far outside of Australia.
Another bizarre case. People never fail to amaze, shock, disappointment. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖
Hi Zena - Does anyone else view that chocolate purchase (at the gas station) as inconsistent with suicide? I can't help but wonder?
The Gap is a notorious spot in Sydney for suicide attempts, back in the early 2000's I used to do a lot of work for the NSW police (and others) chasing cell phones that would make a slow progress either up the New South Head Rd through Rose Bay or up the Old South Head Rd through Bellevue Hill and it was often fortunately by bus, so there would be time to get some constables up there to intercept the person in distress. What typified a lot of those attempted suicides was that there was usually some indication of going through with it and the duty of care kicked in to track them down and make sure they got the help they needed and for the most part, they did get talked out of hurting or killing themselves. So that's sort of my sad connection to the area, after 15 years of doing that I got pretty good at finding were people used to be headed in distress and basically bridges, railways and cliffs used to be the place to go.
In terms of the case, yeah its a complete debacle
There's really no other words to really describe the outcome and proceeding investigations that managed to drop the ball almost every step of the way and a prosecution that bumbled any kind of far fetched possibility to try and get something to stick. That said, in the mid-late 90's in Sydney there was no shortage of people who'd throw someone off a cliff for enough money and more or less the whole B-set of celebrities and 'public figures' of note she hung out with are kind of sketchy people. But they were not the hardcore heavy criminal set either that off'ed people so I think she might have just taken the dive all by herself in this particular case as there just wasn't anything really to connect them to it. Yes they're all sketchy and in some cases, quite repulsive but that's not enough to consider them guilty.
Interesting post, and yes, The Gap was notorious for suicides for many decades.
Fascinating. That job must’ve been tremendously rewarding!
And of course there was the whole Warren Lanfranchi / Sally-Anne Huckstepp killings where the police were heavily implicated in both deaths. Sydney in the 1980’s and 1990’s had some pretty dark scenes and sometimes it was difficult to tell the cops from the criminals, or worse, they were actually one in the same thing.
If I may recommend the “Underbelly” TV series and 1995’s “Blue Murder” miniseries both of which dramatise the extent and depth of the corruption and killings going on in Sydney in the last quarter of the 20th century. Personally I think that “Blue Murder” is brilliant if you can find it do yourself a favour and watch it. The boat scene haunts me still.
Arroyo Seco outside of Los Angeles has a history of people just. driving on the road and
suddenly stopping and throwing themselves off of the bridge - for apparently no real reason - no financial or romantic or recent deaths ...just got some crazy.incontrollable urge to do this.
There was a man that started a rocket company named JPL and he would do satanic rituals to assist in his experiments .
Like his mentor Aleister Crowley and he also did "workings"
and then he would forget to "close" the openings in the ether and was not very responsible about the finishing of the working.
Some believe Jack Parsons and his black magick were the culprits insofar as opening a portal to dark and.ecil.ebergiea.
Or drown them in the ponds at Centennial Park....
Hey Todd. I've been watching your stuff since november 2019ish and this is the first time I've ever commented. Just wanted to let you know your work never goes unnoticed and I've appreciated your grounded and observational approach to these case studies. Not often is there a clinically informed opinion on irrational or incomprehensible behaviors yet you pull it off.
It’s true, not many have the insight or stamina to try to understand how these things happen, or why...
Hearing a doctor get called by their first name feels like watching a dog walk on its hind legs. Even though most doctors do introduce themselves that way, nowadays, and it's perfectly ok 😅
Hilarious to hear a Campbelltown story, never expected that. BTW it’s called the fishers ghost festival and it’s still going today
Sadly there seems to be a neverending supply of cases for these videos. People are freakin nuts
Life is Hell, then you die..
In a nutshell.
That's why the Universe will be tossing us out soon. Goodbye cruel world.
I'm wondering is there a higher incidence of murders, or is it that the Internet means we can access the reports of them more easily? Or maybe it's just that there's population growth.
Uh not guilty. Calling these people nuts is a bit squirrelly.
I know this is a serious topic but that has to be one of the funniest youtube titles I have ever seen.
I never get bored of Dr. G’s humor 😂
Thank you for the analysis of this case
Dr. Grande just in absolutely top form with these videos lately. An absolute master.
The Gap joke took me a few moments. 😅😂
It's late here, and Dr. Grande's soothing voice put me to sleep, so when I woke up, I had to watch it again. That line totally cracked me up! Also, now I'm wide awake at 2 AM...
"Telepathic communication". That's the point where I figure the dude is definitely involved.
Same. How did anyone hear that explanation and buy it?
I agree.
Definitely! It prompts me to think the chauffeur was involved in, or had been involved in--the occult. If so, he could have been infested with demons--which could have made him more open to homicidal urges. Very bizarre thing to tell the police.
only a jury full of fans of Sylvia Browne would find that incredible in a positive way. And in 2023.. more people believe than than not sadly. It's called Mass Formation Psychosis. Thanks Montel Williams !
I think she killed herself, and Gordon knew she would do it one day and where she would do it. I mean, it's gotta be incredibly difficult to javelin throw a fully grown adult even if they were unconscious, but apparently, she was conscious. The cops definitely messed the case up. There is no getting to the bottom of this one.
“Stylish discount clothing “ 😂. Good one!
I live in Sydney and The Gap is a notorious spot for suicide, it’s so bad that there are really high fences there and suicide prevention signs there now. Some people even stay there to talk people down from suicide. So it isn’t too far fetched to think that Gordon just guessed that this is where she committed suicide.
Love listening to you in the morning because the steady flow of info keeps me entertained while i drive to work, but the jokes make me smile and wake up lol love ya dr grande
Sydney Police are certainly guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of botching this investigation.
But they were great at brutalizing old people and pregnant women during CONvid.
Most police departments botch murder investigations in the early stages. They just can't help themselves.
I read this in Dr. Grande's voice!,
I think it is more likely that powerful people pulled strings
His boss Renee Rivkin was definitely known to be a crook, into corrupt dealings etc, famously so.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about a lonely cactus on the far left of the screen on the lower shelf, screaming for attention. The whole world is watching.
Please consider a video about the life and strange death of musician Elliot Smith?
love "George wanted the get the farm for free, but in the end he bought the farm after all" statement at 14:57
I can’t picture a person throwing another person further than that person could jump on their own. I think if you wanted to launch yourself the furthest distance, you’d take a fast running leap to use your inertia to carry you. I believe that if another person, regardless of how strong they were, simply threw you, you would travel less than if you could move on your own.
I'm a big guy and the only way I reckon I could throw someone more than a few feet is hammer throw style, I wonder if that was considered.
I own a spear and I have no idea how you throw a person like a spear cuz it's thrown one handed over arm with a slight spin of the waist/torso
Now I think about it it's impossible to "throw someone like a spear"
@@GrandDawggy problem with the hammer throw style is because you're standing on a cliff, you cant really just spin...
I am also a big guy (240) and I cant imagine how I could just throw my wife (130) more than like 3 feet using hammer spinny style or just standard throwing style. And throwing her like a spear would be impossible. I'd like to see one person in this world to try to throw a human like a speak and see how that goes
and even if it is possible, any normal human can jump farther than being thrown, as was mentioned
Hell, now that I think about it, I wouldnt even be able to throw a 50 pound kid more than a few feet
It seems like she could have been pushed with enough force to go flying. Or what if she didn't die immediately on impact and managed to drag herself a few feet?
Either way the police didn't take a photo of the scene so there's no way to know how far she really was. We're relying on the incompetent policemen's memory and memories are notoriously faulty.
The fact that anyone catapulting another human being far enough to land 39 feet away, is quite the feat. To my knowledge, neither of those men were gifted javelin throwers or shot putters. I'm leaning towards, she was half delusional or they were in some dispute that took her off her guard and possibly the 3 of them ran towards the edge of that cliff and she was launched with the help of the men, who probably ran faster than her, and created a slingshot effect. I'm only speculating the possibilities, of course. Bizarre, but nobody is landing 39 feet away without some extra momentum and assistance.
Since the police botched the crime scene, I guess we may never really know.
@@taskcasburn6086 I dont think there exists a human who can throw a 130 pound human 20 feet, let alone 39 feet... let alone using a javeline throw..
There is no way you can throw a dead or struggling body further than it can jump. Holy hell how did anyone believe that?? Do these people not workout lol
I'm constantly amazed by the common sense mistakes mathematically competent people make.
You'd need a little under 5 m/s horizontal with a 30 m drop to get that distance. Definitely jumpable for a reasonably fit person, no idea why they'd assume that's impossible.
"Like a spear" is absurd but If I had to throw a struggling person as far as possible I'd grab the ankles and throw them like an Olympic hammer. 5 m/s tangential velocity at the center of mass works out to be somewhere between 30 and 40 rpm and grip being the limiting factor for a 65 kg person that's somewhere in the region of about 115 - 135 kg of centrifugal force which seems about right for a reasonably large non-lifting man so throwing is probably physically possible too but would still be a bizarre way to kill someone.
@@bloodypommelstudios7144 I suspect the professor was engaging in motivated reasoning. Ironically his nonsensical evidence ultimately guaranteed Wood's freedom.
Yeah, it's called dead weight for a reason.
Australians arent very bright. Remember, it was Britain's dumping ground for their criminals for decades.
Yahoo, couldn’t sleep and dr Grande notification pops up 🎉❤
Same!
I really enjoyed your analysis and the tangent on the Campbelltown Ghost Festival. I love storytelling.😊
Thank you for all that you do, Dr. Grande.❤
The Gap is Australia’s Golden Gate Bridge. There is a legend connected to it as well. The dog at the nearby Watson Bay Hotel used to have a sixth sense and would alert when someone was standing on the edge with spearish thoughts. Maybe the ghost story is true.
You narrated two stories for us tonight, Dr. Grande. With your first story, you took us to a fork in the road. There, a man chose the left road and ended up incriminating himself.
With your second story, you took us to the same fork in the road. There, the man chose the right road and ended up incriminating himself.
As you so aptly tell us: “Both men will forever be suspected of wrongdoing.” All roads lead to this idiom: “Be damned if you do and be damned if you don’t.”
Entertaining and insightful as usual - with an ironic twist of intrigue. Thank you Dr. Grande‼️❤️🎯
lmao the story at the end about the ghost “ telling him where the body of the fisherman was “ and how they have a ghost festival now about it ? whaaaat ! 💀😂😂🤣🤣🤣
people will never fail to amaze me , and not in a good way 🤦🏻♀️
NSW Police have a history of incompetence when investigating incidents. The disappearance of the young boy, William Tyrrell is a great example.
true. Totally inept. But NSW Police will be at your door in 30 minutes if you are reported for a mean tweet!!!!!
"you got a loiscense for that opinion, mate?"
Glad they got their priorities right!
Yeah the Bondi Beast was never caught. He attacked and raped at least 31 women, possibly more between 1985-2001. There were reasonable descriptions of the perpetrator. Yet the police believed these crime weren't committed by the same person. Police only identified him by DNA after he died. They seemed quite satisfied with what a great job they'd done.
Yep, and corruption too. Don't forget the Roger Rogerson era!
As an Aussie from Sydney I recall this case well. I'm impressed with your dedicated research Dr Grande! I'd like to see a video on Juanita Nielsen. I recently came across her grave while I was making a video for my other channel and I read into her case. It's interesting, and still unsolved. Also, no one was found guilty of the murder of Sallie-Anne Huckstep. Thank you!
Juanita Nielsen was lured to a meeting in the basement of Les Girls and then something bad happened. Sallie-anne Huckstepp was offed by Neddy Smith probably at the instigation of Roger Rogerson.
Things that make you go hmmm.
Thanks Dr. Grande, i enjoyed the tangent and hadn't heard of this one.
Wow...we got a 2 for 1 with this analysis. Dr. Grande would be an absolute legend telling all his stories in front of a campfire.
Do Lindy Chamberlin. I asked once before. It is hands down one of the most fascinating tales of trial by media and public opinion there is. Ever.
“ not trying to maintain a sphere like posture “ 😂😂 I don’t know why that made me laugh!!😂
I've been watching you on UA-cam for awhile now and I love your analysis of the stories you tell and when explaining the different disorders. I have learned so much from you. Thank you. You are the best in this genre.
I would love to here your analysis of Truman Capote. I loved his books, especially "In Cold Blood". This was his best book. Then it destroyed him. The man was fascinating. Thank you in advance.
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This case was so sensational! The Gap is also called the “Suicide Gap”….residents call police immediately if they see a person loitering there. A famous jumping spot!!!
Please do the case of Lou Pearlman. This will be really interesting for the new generation on what is going on.
It was "stylish discount clothing" for me 😂😂😂😂
"He bought the farm after all"....I am dead. ☠️🤣☠️🤣☠️🤣
I remember this case. Sad, whatever the truth is. Dr Grande, I think you would find interest in a recent tragedy in Queensland in which some police and a civilian were attacked and killed at a place called Wieambilla in an ambush. I'd like to hear your analysis of what was going on in the minds of the perpetrators - 2 brothers and a woman who'd been married to both of them. It shocked the whole country, especially the police community.
May your cactii ever thrive in the dry humour there.
OK, the “bought the farm” joke is a winner. That is one of my favorites of yours, Dr. Grande.
The title had my interest, but ghost festival got my attention.
Glad I'm not the only one to have hour long research tangents... Hell I have no real business researching in the first place 🤣
Love your channel. its so good.
Thanks for your info re The Fisher's Ghost Festival here in Sydney. I didn't know the legend.
love Grandes alliterations as usual quite poetic
This is a sad story which I vaguely remember. Also Rene' Rivkin was a very prominent newsworthy person when I was much younger but he disappeared from the news cycle long ago & I had forgotten about him.
Thanks for the additional comments about Frederick George James Fisher. You peaked my researcher interest ♥️
Born on 28 Aug 1782, he was a convict who arrived in New South Wales 16 Sep 2816, having been tried & convicted of forgery on 26 July 2815 at the Surrey Goal Delivery, & sentenced to be transported to the colonies for 7 years. He left England aboard the Convict ship "Atlas" on 26 Jan 1816. He applied for a mitigation of his sentence in 1822 but that doesn't appear to have been approved as he eventually received his ticket of leave prior to Sep 2825.
There's a lot about Fred on Trove so I think this will keep me very busy finding more about this man whose occupation was recorded as"Criminal". 😍
I don't care who you are you see a thumbnail referring to someone getting thrown like spear you have to pop in and hear about that.
"That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood..."
What a sad story! But I do like how you tied it together at the end.
This was a good one.
There could be reasons someone would dive like that themselves, like fear of surviving. As in if one landed on their legs, etc.
Good evening Dr Grande, I always learn something new from your videos. Keep up the great work.
I need some clarity on the thrown vs jumped calculation. Is this expert saying a man can generate more force THROWING a struggling woman, with his arms, than she could have possibly generated running and jumping?
I'd like to see that math.
Yeah, seems hard to believe.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
Maybe she was drugged,hence not struggling.
Hello Dr. Grande! Thank you for another marvellous video. I noticed your pace has increased. Last week you released three videos in one day. I hope everything is OK at home. Take care of yourself Dr!
Crazy how I'm Australian and thought I was familiar with the case. But this is the first time I've heard of the Miss Spirit connection. Thanks Dr Todd
Hi Dr. Grande.
By writing this, I by no means assume that this is in any way important to you or that you even have the time or energy to read this. But I just have to say that my absence on your channel is because all at once, I went through an enormous move, and got a mini promotion (which is a lot more work with not a lot more pay 😒), and you have long since become the most special content creator I have found! So much so that I can't just mindlessly watch your videos, I have this whole little ritual with yours where I make a tea before bed and have a note pad to write down all your words of wisdom, and your oh- so witty comments.
Very soon, I hope I can have a whole day to catch up on all your incredible content!! 💕💕
The last few days I've been binging Dr Grande and reading comments, and always notice yours and read them. This was a lovely surprise to see. I hope the move went well and things have settled down, that you caught up on the videos efficiently, and that you've been able to enjoy your routine without interruption these past few months. Thanks for making a stranger smile! ✌️🍍
As an Australian who remembers the case clearly.... This guy, in my opinion, is guilty guilty guilty! His behaviour both before and after seems very strange to the point where I don't think its a coincidence
It all adds up to coercive control to me. This case haunted me for years, especially since I just missed seeing her at June Daly Watkins.
Could you do an analysis on Mindy Kaling or perhaps on Dhar man’s latest trouble?
Never going to run out of material. Go Dr. Grande Go!
Great work . Always imformative. Respect your work Dr.Grande
Ahahaha it took me a moment to catch the cheap stylish clothing reference. Gorgeous humour as always! 😍
My advice after listening to Dr. Grande is.........avoid romantic partners at all costs
🪲 AGAIN Dr. Grande💫 Your ‘Deep Dive’ 🌊 into ‘The Ghost Festival’ is just 1 of MANY Fantabulous Reasons Your Podcast Is Above & Beyond The Rest🤗
The moment you get arrested for murder, there is no longer any reasonable reason to lie about how you found the body. Unless you're guilty, that is.
What about the fact that he said he could see her off the cliff with a flashlight that night? No one else could see her - not even the police.
Too bad the throw wasn’t like a boomerang 🪃
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Maybe if she had scoliosis
G'day mate!
That burns like shrimp on the barbie
@@jonchowe You shouldn't eat toys.
I also think there's a valid point here: We may not like someone, they may be egotistical, unpleasant and grandiose. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are a murderer.
I live near Cambelltown and Ive been a subscriber to this channel for a while. I never thought the Fishers Ghost story would be brought up here, so it was a nice surprise. :)
You take a dull story and make it interesting. Txs
Doctor Todd,a lot of Australians here may not have got "The GAP " clothing store joke.
As an Aussie who wears Gap clothing maybe I had that judge when called up for jury duty… because I bombed out 😂
The ghost festival connection is wild. It’s also interesting that she won “Ms. Spirit” (spear-it) at the ghost festival and then was said to have been thrown like a spear. 😳
Poor Caroline. She seemed like a lovely soul. Taken way to soon. I will never understand how people become so mentally twisted that they commit murder . I would do whatever it took to save a life not take a life.
The "tangent" at the end is really a fascinating bowtie on the story!
There is so much we don't know. I can believe a ghost pointed out his resting place. I myself have experienced many unexplainable events over my 62 years. I'm keeping an open mind
I really like how you tied that all together at the end, good work sir 👏
Rather than being "thrown like a spear," I wondered if it's possible she was struck by a car and thus pushed with some force from the cliff. Then I thought that was also hard to believe, as I suppose she would have had to be standing close to the cliff's edge and struck by a car going at a moderate speed, which makes it seem like the car would have had to break hard to avoid going over the cliff as well.
Cars are not able to access that narrow path.
I think it would be a good idea, if you ever receive a psychic message concerning a 'murder', to lie about the source of your info or just ignore and forget that you were mystically contacted from beyond.
They made this into a movie in Australia and I saw it on cable here in the U.S. I felt so bad for her father and brother. I wish I remembered the name of the movie.
Love your content!!!! ❤️ Be nicer to Jersey though 🤣🤣🤣
Jersey gets what it deserves!!! Hahahaha!!!😂😂😂
@@tencentpistol1 we're not all bad...lol..I feel like the stupid show "Jersey Shore" gave us a bad rep
Jersey looks nice to me
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@@pamelahaze3211 it truly is...Canada is beautiful too!
@@daniellabassano6718 British Columbia is my favorite.
Breathtaking
Now there's a headline 😄
Hi Dr Grande 🥰 I live in Australia thank you for covering some high profile cases here, love your videos I listen to them every night before going to sleep ❤
Im so upset you had a clear opportunity to say chucker and you knowingly denied me a deep belly laugh.
Are you feeling ok, Doc? Take care of you. Love your videos.
Hello 👋 good Dr. Grande 😀
Helloooo Dr. Grande💗💗 Thank you for the new video! I haven't watched this video yet, but I have ZERO DOUBT that it's going to be amazing!
6:14 🤣
*Body found by "Telepathic communication"
*Grown woman thrown like a "spear"
☺ Heartwarming bedtime stories you can tell to your grandchildren
Off topic, your podcast is pretty good.
Love the set.
If you only knew. The story got even crazier. Rivkin later took his own life.
Skipped to the end to check out the ghost festival and then went back to see the rest of the video 😂
A telepathic communication???? She could have done so much better than him.... what a shame.... Oh, then the police began to think that maybe Gordon was lying.... maybe???? ... just maybe????? The police certainly botched the whole investigation!!! Unbelievable!!!
Telepathy is such a reliable method of investigation. Who could possibly doubt the boyfriend's story.
/s
I have a physics degree. That alleged physicist has no idea what he is talking about. There is no way that anyone could calculate a maximum horizontal distance of a fall with that kind of accuracy. Problems like this are typical junior high level calculations, but they require exact values of velocity that are not known in this case. The calculations also ignore multiple variables that are relevant in a real life scenario. Wind velocity, wind resistance, irregular shape of humans, bouncing / residual momentum after impact, friction, etc. Even if you made an attempt to incorporate those values, you just end up piling one source of error on top of another and another. And of course the police, a jury, and possibly lawyers and judge would not know that this “science” is badly flawed. As with things like polygraphs and eye witness identification, the relevant people might assume a near 100% reliability when it’s not even close to that. What a mess.
The sane voice of science.
Thanks Dr Grande I have followed this story for many years. It’s all very odd yeah
And watching lovers part, I feel you smiling
What glass splinters lie so deep in your mind?
To tear out from your eyes with a thought to stiffen brooding lies
And I'll only watch you leave me further behind
Hi Dr Grande.
The chauffeur used a Javelin ? Could you call him a midnight Rambler?? Hey, not diagnosing anyone, but I’m here all week, try the veal
Now the plot gets interesting a Ghost enters the scene stage right