He legally emancipated himself from his family meaning there was some agreement that they were not related. Something like a divorce or an adoption in reverse.
Those are great books, but I also recommend his two Dirk Gently books. I would have loved several more books with that character. There have been a couple of television adaptations, and they’re ok.
I can't believe how much Vance's description fits me. I drive a forklift so I don't have to interact too much. My dream for retirement is a log cabin in the wilderness, just me and my dog.
HAPPPPPPPPY BIRTHDAY DR G !!! May you have the happiest day with your Grande family 🎉 thank you for your amazing work and best humour ever even in dark places ! You are the best ❤
Does your husband know you’re using his card to send money to married men again? We talked about this Carly. Just cause he’s at work dosnt mean your single for 8 hours , that’s not how it works.
@JoeRogansForehead I have a husband ??? When did this happen ??? Who is he ?? Do I get to meet him ? How do you know this??? Oh man all this time I thought I was single lmao.... Oh and BTW I make my money friend so all good there ! Please tell my husband to contact me instead of you !
Not fitting in is hard. Adding mental health issues on top of that is worse. It's difficult even if you don't want to fit in. You're still living in a society that demands we be constantly connected and social. Some of us have had enough interactions with others. People are draining and they don't seem to realize that fact.
I think it's even worse when particular narcissistic tendencies are on the rise. Who would want to be bombarded with post-internet influenced people all the time?
For decades thousands of people hiked the AT without cell phones. Now people consider it reckless. I disagree. Some people want to get away from their normal lives for a few months, really away.
You're right, of course. And I don't think it's unreasonable to carry 50lbs of food and equipment; how else are you meant to survive. I don't live in USA but in my country, if you go hiking for a week in the mountains, 50lbs. would be a bare minimum, to the point of recklessness.
@@ThatOpalGuydid you see the original comment? It said, without cellphone. Someone could throw in a tracking device as a family courtesy, but not likely in Vance's case.
I thank Vance for knowing himself, distancing himself, and not going out in a blaze of glory. P.s. the AT is no joke, and he kept going, so props for that.
Perhaps the point is, he stopped and detached himself, so as to do no more harm. Some people don't have the self awareness to do that, and continue to harm other's, while searching for something, anyone, to help them feel acceptable, and able to fit in with society. It's sad he didn't get more help with his mental illness, but not everyone can be helped, especially if too unwell to seek help.
@@yogijagerDid he? Probably but I mean others turn into serial killers or mass murderers. I doubt this guy wanted to do harm is just his brain was wired different, he understood that and choosed to step away to not come back.
As a mother, this story saddens me greatly…I’m always left with the thought “this was once someone’s sweet baby boy”. It also brings to mind-words from the late great Robin Williams: Everyone is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind, always🫶
Back in the late 70's I walked a lot of different parts of the AT, sometimes alone, sometimes with a friend, but no one was overly concerned that we didn't have cell phones. Oh wait, there were no cell phones then. Thanks Dr. Grande.
"Mostly Harmless" was the second rank you could achieve in the Commodore 64 video game "Elite". The player would start out as "Harmless", and with much endurance would be able to ultimately achieve the rank of "Elite".
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy... "Mostly Harmless" was the Guide's only two word description for Earth... I would gamble to say it was his inside joke about being human!
It’s rather strange that so many people commented on the size and weight of his pack. After all, it appears he was a normal-sized adult man. The ultralight style of backpacking was not common a few decades ago. Our gear was heavier, generally sturdier, and lasted a long time. We used to wear boots that would last about 4 to 5 times longer than modern trail runners. When the soles were worn out, we would get them resoled. Carrying a 35-40 pound pack was normal.
He tried to run away from himself thought it was possible,wanted it to be possible and secretly he knew,not seeing an exit anywhere,he made his own.What a tragic story.
His story in a way, reminds me of Chris McCandless, who hiked his way across the US, then ended up in Alaska, and ended up starving to death. There was even a movie made about his life, called, Into The Wild. Both of these stories, ended in tragedy. It's the old saying, you can't escape your demons, by running away from home.
Excellent video. I am very involved with the AT and live in PA along the most horrendous rocks serving as a trail angel when I am not out section hiking. The AT community is very tight knit, and when we lose one of our tribe, we all become instantly concerned. When his picture was posted, I went through my guest books to see if he had stayed with me and checked our wall to see if he had signed. A few Denims have stayed here, but no one named Mostly Harmless. I travel great sweeps of the trail each year, and his face looked familiar but I couldn't pinpoint if he was a hiker I helped or a hiker I met at something like Trail Days in Damascus. Unfortunately, the AT (and maybe all long trails) are a great escape for a few who want to be forgotten. I often think that I know nothing about most of the people who stay in my yard, but that is the culture we all adopt. I am sorry he lost his life, but I feel like his story is very much a modern retelling of Crane'e Maggie. What were his options after the trail? Would there ever be an "after"? Thanks so much for a thought provoking video!
Unfortunately, for me, it’s been my experience that when people “fill in the blanks about me”, it’s almost always negative. I can’t stress that enough. Now that I think about it, I’m not the only with that problem. I think most people who are recluse, especially if they are elderly, it seems that people tend to think they are spooky, or hostile.
It’s been my experience that the masses are clueless, and amazingly ignorant; look at all the stuff they made up abt him! If u don’t feed them w info abt yourself, they imagine things!
@@historybits2570 That does not necessarily mean anything. Some people just choose to be a-holes to certain people. It isn't because of personality necessarily. Sometimes they've never talked to person or know the person.
Well said. The social world is afraid of those who are happy with solitude and can enjoy life without being “overly” socially committed. Intelligence requires periods of research and self reflection. We have idiots in charge.
@@AA-ed6ek To have many people repeatedly decide they don't like you, it's you. Sorry to burst your bubble, it's not nuanced. Not everyone is going to like you and not everyone is going to want to be your friend, but if it's constant it's you and you should either accept it and move on with your life or make changes. Plenty of people meet me and don't like me and I don't care, but the problem is me, not them. Stop living in fantasy land giving people bad advice.
@@Iain1962 I was just commenting on the quote you chose. He's not a dolphin, he's not leaving the planet to save our lives, it makes no sense. As for him, i've nothing against him or his choices.
I keep up with the unidentified decedent wiki and I remember his case. I remember the pictures of his tent, and I think there were even pictures of him posted (taken by hikers) even though his identity still wasn't known. I was happy to see he was identified. It's always a good thing. Genetic genealogy is changing the world.
@@asherdie to have no real experience, and just take off like forest gump and actually walked from NY to Florida. Do you realize how Epic that is? Most people would have died before the halfway mark. That is a jaunt!
@@dougdoesit3013 The Appalachian trail is not wilderness. There is nearby civilization almost the entire length of the trail. Nor is it a rugged trail in any respect.
Mental health inpatient facilities have never been a comforting experience for me. It’s made me more scared and sick. I feel badly for anyone who’s had to get help and ended up in one of those facilities. The ones here in my state are awful. (Oregon)
All I can say is wow, wow wow! This is one of the best “speculations” I’ve ever heard. Psychoanalytical, plausible in every sequence. Good job Dr. Todd! Episodes like this is what keeps me coming back for more. Great analysis.
The problem is it is EXTREMELY difficult to starve to death when there is food available. There becomes a point where insanity sets in (look up the Minnesota starvation experiment) and it would be almost impossible to resist food in the vicinity.
There is this season of “alone” which is about people living in the wilderness alone. And there was a guy who was forcebly removed because he was essentially starving and was surrounded with food and refused to eat it because in his mind he was rationing it out. It was so weird.
The “Mostly Harmless” name is from the book “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.” It is how the Hitchhiker’s Guide (a reference book for aliens) defines humans. It used to define humans as “harmless” and then it was revised to define them as “mostly harmless.” Maybe he was saying that he was human or an Everyman. And he was hiking so he probably thought that was funny.
So sad. There are people who have limited human interaction but still manage to find contentment. Plenty of people do find themselves most content when they are out in nature. Others find it through spirituality or a religious order. Some people prefer animals. It’s sad that he couldn’t be at peace when he was alive but hopefully he is now
I read a non-fiction story about a woman who starved to death. She was very close to a highway in an abandoned house. She kept a journal while she slowly died. For whatever reason(s) she simply could not convince herself to leave and get some food.
I've read the same story, it was, and still is, haunting. She picked all the apples nearby and rationed them out, but eventually had nothing. The house and rooms were well described. The story has stayed with me.
Starvation weakens the body and is dehydrated couldn't move about anymore to get some food. It is sad his $3,000 cash wasn't used to buy food to keep in his heavy luggage to feed himself. RIP
Great episode, dr Grande! As much as I like your true crime stories, I also miss your mental health contents from a few years back. This story was interesting in itself and also gave you an opportunity to use your expertise for an appealing psychological interpretation.
Yes his content now is good, but is earlier content was too and much more unique - I wish he would do both. If it weren't for his old content I wouldn't have taken interest in his channel.
Im on the ASD spectrum and Im also bipolar. Vance's life worryingly sounds like mine, or quite close in many respects. I had a total breakdown about six years ago and had to be diagnosed. So glad that happened, Im getting medication and social help now. Lifes not perfect but Im a hell of a lot happier in myself. I'm sad that Vance seems to not have understood that he had some kind of issues himself, never got similar assistance and that it ended so sadly for him. I think he just needed help.
Symptoms of ASD for Mostly Harmless was my first thought as well. Sure, depression. But schizo-personality? Not convinced. And the cell phone issue. I don't backpack with one. Why is that weird, reckless, etc.? People been wandering for eons without. Sounds like you're doing well with your self-care. Good job and Best Wishes! I've always thought there are some real treasures to be found in people with ASD so long as the rest of society can let them be exactly how they are.
@@aon5709 I replied to ycylchgames almost the same comment as you (ASD yes, schizo no) and it was removed (don't know who or why), Maybe I was too blunt spoken.
Interesting. I live in Lafayette. It was interesting Vance was born here. It was sad he never had inner peace and he teavelled so far but never could escape his mental illness. He must have been a good hiker to have hiked the entire trail. The ending of the story was sad. He must have wanted to die alone.
Omg, so happy Dr. Grande covered this case! I was aware of it when Vance was still unidentified, and the info about him was circulating all kind of nerdy forums. I was obsessed with this case, even more when his body was finally identified. RIP Vance...
You really have a poetic side. It came through on this story. I wish everyone could get the help they need, but it usually can't be forced. Thank you for your insight, thoughtfulness and compassion. If it is your Birthday, may it be a blessed one. Take a few hours off, at least. Give your wife a big hug. Go for a nice walk. Drink tea on the balcony. ❤🎉
@@JesterMax24 If someone is a danger to themselves, it'd be nice to see temporary options available until equilibrium can be reached. My fiance' has extreme depression and anxiety. He gets help when needed, but many of the facilities are not up to snuff to meet the needs of many suffering people.
@@JesterMax24 I agree that it is such a complex thing, requiring family and clinicians to see the individual way before their illness(es), while at the same time trying to help that person combat symptoms. In my case, that involves keeping my hand on his back or forehead all night to help him sleep peacefully, as well as be a sounding board for a semi autobiographical film he wants to produce, including listening to the parts involving enormous self harm. I don't know what you might be going through, but I hope you're not going through this alone.
1:07 Even as a young man, he had really dark circles under his eyes. Goes for all of his pics... Don't Google his composite drawing, it is the creepiest I've ever seen.
I highly appreciate your thorough research in all the cases you present! Interesting that you mention his overly complex coding style. I happened to have a difficult colleague of whom the same could be said. The fewer people understood the code, the more proud my colleague was of it and the more I tried to raise awareness, the worse it got. Other similiarities are circumorbital rings around the eyes and a problematic father.
it wasn't for Vance. The woods fooled him into believing he could run or walk away from the world. He realized that he couldn't at the end of his trail.
Somewhat similar to the story of Christopher McCandless, aka Alexander Supertramp, who was sadly found deceased in an old bus in Alaska in 1992. His story inspired the film Into The Wild.
@@ursodermatt8809Yeah Alaskans find it kind of annoying the way he's been venerated. He's not an example to follow. He shot a moose but had no idea how to cut it up and preserve the meat so it went to waste. He didn't research the area so he was caught off guard when the river swelled. You have to respect nature enough to be prepared.
@@MakerInMotion he was also not listening to advice of the locals. it was like he almost had a death wish. no map either if recollect correctly so he didn't even know how close to civilisation he was.
It's not about facts, people don't understand the power of 'story'. A story about a successful boyscout outing is not interesting. A story about a disasterous boyscout trip is. Krakauer told a compelling true story about youth, idealism, etc..and it would not have been interesting if it'd all gone according to plan.
You said Lafayette correctly!! I'm born and raised in New Orleans and now live 40 mins north in St Tammany Parish. Happy birthday and Happy Mardi Gras!!🎉🎉🎉 Laissez les bons temps rouler!!!
I grew up in Philadelphia and there was/is a pizza shop called Lafayette and til you confirmed he said it correctly I assumed I had pronounced it wrong all those years
I was diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder in August. This entire video I had an eerie sensation that Vance was living a life parallel to mine if I my physical body had the capability to hike that far. I find that I push myself to my very limits because somewhere in me *wants* to be like other people. Something in my mind wants to be human and feel human. And yet, deeper down, I don't. I can't stand it. I cannot see a world in which I'd be happier changed. And then again. . . Ambivalence. I live in a constant state of ambivalence. I see you, Vance. You may have been alone in your life but I will remember you. I will remember you and I will not feel so alone.
I always try to remember that whether things are good, bad or otherwise; that they simply are. No place I could transport myself would change the simple facts of my life because they are what they are. Giving up on things will not change them or improve them. I can see some of myself in Vance, so I can empathize some, and it’s really a sad ending to his life.
That was so weird. Even in the coldest Winter freezes, he wouldn't bunker down with a fire and a sleeping bag. He would walk back and forth to keep warm instead. He didn't want fires in case the smoke was seen by others.
Happy BDay. This video was even more profound than usual, as we never know what goes on with anyone internally -- especially someone who puts up a good front but isn't quite normal.
the part about being a blank slate leading others to project on you is something I've noticed. I tend to be fairly reserved with new people and noticed that this happens to me often
Dr. Grande's description of the way people interpreted the behavior of the enigmatic hitchhiker is the same way people reacted to Chauncey Gardiner in the movie "Being There" staring Peter Sellers and Shirley MacLaine.
I've been planning my own through hike of the Appalachian trail for a couple of years. I got real big into hiking and I love it. You can't really get big into the Appalachian trail without hearing the story of mostly harmless. It's pretty cool that you covered this
@@vicvega3614 I try to, but i also work alot. I was saving money for the AT but I ended up spending it all on living, due to smashing my car. But life goes on and I am sure the trail will be there when i am readu.
Happy birthday 🎉🎊🎈🎂 Dr Grande. You really improved your video quality and content over the past day. This topic is very interesting 🤔. I’ve always wondered about this. I used to live in Florida for a short time so this one 1️⃣ hits close to home 🏠. Very interesting 🧐.
Some people are just quiet. Others are quiet and socially awkward. There are multiple disorders that can prevent people from developing fulfilling relationships. Not just schizoid personality but also Autism/Asbergers, etc. There are plenty of famous people quotes going around social media mentioning how smart people are often lonely. I just saw one today by Hemingway who took his own life. Also it's sometimes not just the person who can't develop relationships. He could be capable of developing relationships but he literally is so unique that what makes him tick doesn't work for anyone else. Looks could also be a factor. The best looking people can be stupid, mean, unlikeable, moody, narcissistic, controlling, etc and still always be in a relationship even if it isn't long lasting. Perhaps he sort of equated his life to the character in "Into the Wild." I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned. Perhaps he was influenced by him. This sort of problem with idealism meets the imperfections of society and flaws of those around you thing. Most people do whatever they want but they keep their idealism on the shelf next to the morals and wear them when the narrative fits or a mask is needed.
He never kept in touch with them. They were estranged. That happens. They may commutate once or twice a year, but that's it. All my family is gone, except my brother. We haven't spoken to each other in years. If he reaches out, fine, but I'm not making the effort. Some people just want to be left alone.
I remember this from a few years ago. As I recall, he was "estranged" from his family and close associations for many years. It makes me wonder how he was able to attract anyone to be around him for any length of time. Evidently, he'd go months, if not years with no familial contact. He was disconnected from any social interactions. It leads me to believe that his outward behavior was learned. Just enough to get by on the surface so to speak. Anything deeper, that's a no go. I've known a few people like that. They keep things superficial.
This story was fascinating. Thank you. You left me with great ideas to ponder. You are a pleasure to watch and listen to. I starting watching you on day one and I am not a bit surprised at your 1.4M followers. Your content is reliable and throughly interesting. Thank you for all your hard work.
I remember when this case made the rounds on r/Unresolved Mysteries. A lot of people became emotionally invested in his case and had to integrate finding out he wasn't always the nicest to others.
I remember when I saw an article about it when the news broke and I read the whole thing, and messaged my friend and said "MOSTLY HARMLESS WAS A DOUCHEBAG?!"
The autopsy i heard, said he had food in his gut, indicating he had been eating. This suggests some other medical problem, or he might still have had an eating disorder along with maybe something else like diabetes, celiac disease or Adkins disease.
I get wanting to "get lost" and disconnect from the rest of the world to some degree. The early attempt at suicide is strange. Other then mild run in with shop lifting and a little aggression towards females he seems mostly not anti-social..just troubled. To his credit he disconnected from relationships before becoming abusive.
That's the thing about mysteries: the appeal of the unknown, which evaporates once all is revealed. In the meantime, though, this was another interesting story/case; thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
Vince sounds so much like me. I don't like being around people, and especially being questioned. I am staying in a backpackers' hostel right now and one of my roommates, who is a vulnerable narc, won't leave me alone. She's definitely latched on, and I have to go and spend the day elsewhere, and pretend to be asleep in the evening, as she won't let me read or spend time alone. I am so looking forward to the spring when I will be able to stay at camping sites...
Oh I loved this analysis! ❤ I've often felt like people do that with me because I am generally reserved. I used to think of it as people throwing their fears at me. It's fascinating and kindof a self fulfilling prophecy on their behalf because I deliberately do nothing to reassure them to see how far their irrationality will take them.
The Pacific Crest Hiking Trail is longer at over 2,600 miles. I've hiked most of it. The AT is not the longest hiking trail. I never carried a cell phone, that is NOT an unnecessary risk. It's a wish to get in touch with the natural world.
Weird… I hike in Harriman State Park all the time since it’s close to Brooklyn… and I also love to hike in Big Cypress National Preserve when I’m visiting family in Naples FL. What are the odds I love going to the area Vance started and finished 😅…
Dr. Grande should write a book about some really interesting and complex case. His literary depiction of this case is great in all aspects, it’s factual and dramatic, and poetic, but without overly dramatizing or poeticizing.
I followed the case for the duration of his story. I was glad he was identified, that is the least a human should be entitled to when they die unknown. I don't find him a "monster" just because he was allegedly at some point "violent". He clearly did not want to be social, well beyond being an introvert. I think what he was really doing was trying to get away from social life, and people kept insisting that he "try". Some people don't want to be social. The more he was pressured to socialize, the more he became unpleasant. He was just a introverted person who was unable to navigate today's weirdly immersive social environment. I am probably projecting, too, as I feel that way often. Can't imagine being someone with even more of an introverted personality and being forced into socializing. I mean really, someone finding the only way to get away from it is to shut themselves into a tent and just wait to die. I made a playlist in his memory after they IDed him, it's in my playlists. I probably won't watch the documentary, because I think some folks are probably overstating their importance in his story and inflating their role in his life and/or death. It's just a normal human reaction, I guess. BTW, I have followed a lot of missing persons cases, I tend to be interested because I suspect if I went missing my family would not launch an overwhelming effort to find me. Always wondered what happens when people go missing and no one really cares. Now I know, at least in some of the cases anyway. TLDR: Can relate to introversion, can't imagine it being to a mentally unhealthy level. RIP Mostly Harmless.
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My mom used to say "You can run, but you can't hide. Anywhere you go, there you are."
I say that a lot! It's very true and proven all too often.
When asked by someone, "are you there?", respond with, "no I'm here, you are there".
Well said
Total rip-off of Buckaroo Bonzai.
/sarcasm
At 76y/o now, I can hide, but I can't run.
“they didn’t even realize he was missing”…..how sad. RIP
over a year no contact, I assume. sad.
Yes, because some do abandon their family like Vance abandoned his apartment.
He legally emancipated himself from his family meaning there was some agreement that they were not related. Something like a divorce or an adoption in reverse.
I have to say, compared to the earlier photographs, he looks much healthier on his pictures from the trail
He does! Those dark circles under his eyes were gone.
And happier
Yes! He is happy for once!
'Mostly Harmless' is a reference to The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. Any nerd of his generation knows this novels for sure.
Mostly Harmless "The fifth book in the increasingly inaccurately named Hitchhiker's Trilogy" (1992). LOL!
Also, perhaps he died when he was 42.
42 famous answer to the universal question.
Those are great books, but I also recommend his two Dirk Gently books. I would have loved several more books with that character. There have been a couple of television adaptations, and they’re ok.
'So Long and Thanks for All the Fish' is one of my favourite songs.
I can't believe how much Vance's description fits me. I drive a forklift so I don't have to interact too much. My dream for retirement is a log cabin in the wilderness, just me and my dog.
Yep
The description fits me too! I have a solitary job and I love it!
I truly believe if Vance had a dog he would've found the drive to keep moving. A shepherd would've never let him waste away like that.
Pra'bhu 🙏...
And no need for Doctor Grande to air your story, RIGHT?
Solitude requires no publicity.
@@sammas2959 ? Why the personal attack?
HAPPPPPPPPY BIRTHDAY DR G !!! May you have the happiest day with your Grande family 🎉 thank you for your amazing work and best humour ever even in dark places ! You are the best ❤
I remembered that from the Dexter profile and then you reminded me✊
Isn't it really 2/15?
@@bthomsonarrgghhhhhh it is tooo I always forget it's a day behind us not if front lols oh well early love this year!!!!
Does your husband know you’re using his card to send money to married men again? We talked about this Carly. Just cause he’s at work dosnt mean your single for 8 hours , that’s not how it works.
@JoeRogansForehead I have a husband ??? When did this happen ??? Who is he ?? Do I get to meet him ? How do you know this??? Oh man all this time I thought I was single lmao....
Oh and BTW I make my money friend so all good there !
Please tell my husband to contact me instead of you !
Not fitting in is hard. Adding mental health issues on top of that is worse. It's difficult even if you don't want to fit in. You're still living in a society that demands we be constantly connected and social. Some of us have had enough interactions with others. People are draining and they don't seem to realize that fact.
"People are draining"...Exactly!
Yeah he definitely was an introvert
Perfectly stated!!! ❤😂🎉
“Some of us have had enough interactions with others.” Amen to that.
I think it's even worse when particular narcissistic tendencies are on the rise. Who would want to be bombarded with post-internet influenced people all the time?
For decades thousands of people hiked the AT without cell phones. Now people consider it reckless. I disagree. Some people want to get away from their normal lives for a few months, really away.
You're right, of course. And I don't think it's unreasonable to carry 50lbs of food and equipment; how else are you meant to survive. I don't live in USA but in my country, if you go hiking for a week in the mountains, 50lbs. would be a bare minimum, to the point of recklessness.
Someday people will have tracking chips.
@@markstuckey6225 You’re right about the weight. Boy Scouts in the 90’s youth had 40 to 50 lbs and adults 50 to 70 lbs for a three day hike.
@lotstodo you already have one, it's called a cellphone.
@@ThatOpalGuydid you see the original comment? It said, without cellphone. Someone could throw in a tracking device as a family courtesy, but not likely in Vance's case.
I thank Vance for knowing himself, distancing himself, and not going out in a blaze of glory. P.s. the AT is no joke, and he kept going, so props for that.
Good point
@@AnaLucia-wy2iibut, he DID harm others
Perhaps the point is, he stopped and detached himself, so as to do no more harm.
Some people don't have the self awareness to do that, and continue to harm other's, while searching for something, anyone, to help them feel acceptable, and able to fit in with society.
It's sad he didn't get more help with his mental illness, but not everyone can be helped, especially if too unwell to seek help.
@@yogijagerDid he? Probably but I mean others turn into serial killers or mass murderers. I doubt this guy wanted to do harm is just his brain was wired different, he understood that and choosed to step away to not come back.
Oh God, the implication here is pretty obnoxious. Anyone who is withdrawn isn’t prone to serial violent offences.
As a mother, this story saddens me greatly…I’m always left with the thought “this was once someone’s sweet baby boy”. It also brings to mind-words from the late great Robin Williams: Everyone is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind, always🫶
Back in the late 70's I walked a lot of different parts of the AT, sometimes alone, sometimes with a friend, but no one was overly concerned that we didn't have cell phones. Oh wait, there were no cell phones then. Thanks Dr. Grande.
merchandise.. how the hell did people in Conestoga wagons ever find Oregon?
@@ThatOpalGuy It's pretty easy to forget how many didn't get where they were headed for, so that's not the best example.
There was also a time humans traveled by wooden ship and If 30% didn’t make it that was a good trip
"Mostly Harmless" was the second rank you could achieve in the Commodore 64 video game "Elite". The player would start out as "Harmless", and with much endurance would be able to ultimately achieve the rank of "Elite".
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy... "Mostly Harmless" was the Guide's only two word description for Earth... I would gamble to say it was his inside joke about being human!
It’s rather strange that so many people commented on the size and weight of his pack. After all, it appears he was a normal-sized adult man.
The ultralight style of backpacking was not common a few decades ago. Our gear was heavier, generally sturdier, and lasted a long time. We used to wear boots that would last about 4 to 5 times longer than modern trail runners. When the soles were worn out, we would get them resoled. Carrying a 35-40 pound pack was normal.
So many "Ultra Lighters" are BS. They trek for a few days, forward gear ahead by mail, and stay in hotels/hostels, and pigging out on restaurant food.
He tried to run away from himself thought it was possible,wanted it to be possible and secretly he knew,not seeing an exit anywhere,he made his own.What a tragic story.
This man's life seems very sad and misunderstood. A very happy birthday to you Dr. G!
His story in a way, reminds me of Chris McCandless, who hiked his way across the US, then ended up in Alaska, and ended up starving to death. There was even a movie made about his life, called, Into The Wild. Both of these stories, ended in tragedy.
It's the old saying, you can't escape your demons, by running away from home.
Excellent video. I am very involved with the AT and live in PA along the most horrendous rocks serving as a trail angel when I am not out section hiking. The AT community is very tight knit, and when we lose one of our tribe, we all become instantly concerned. When his picture was posted, I went through my guest books to see if he had stayed with me and checked our wall to see if he had signed. A few Denims have stayed here, but no one named Mostly Harmless. I travel great sweeps of the trail each year, and his face looked familiar but I couldn't pinpoint if he was a hiker I helped or a hiker I met at something like Trail Days in Damascus. Unfortunately, the AT (and maybe all long trails) are a great escape for a few who want to be forgotten. I often think that I know nothing about most of the people who stay in my yard, but that is the culture we all adopt. I am sorry he lost his life, but I feel like his story is very much a modern retelling of Crane'e Maggie. What were his options after the trail? Would there ever be an "after"? Thanks so much for a thought provoking video!
Who got to him as a child?
All the earmarkings of an abuse victim.
yes, a male suicide attempt at 15 is unusual
Karen
Maybe, maybe not. Schizophrenia is a brain issue. A very painful, debilitating, and treacherous disease. They suffer greatly.
@@howard5992Actually not, in the context of people who attempt. Though 15 year-old females are more likely to make a gesture/attempt.
its a lack of Niacin, vitamin B3; plenty of books about it. @@robinpesek3657
Unfortunately, for me, it’s been my experience that when people “fill in the blanks about me”, it’s almost always negative. I can’t stress that enough.
Now that I think about it, I’m not the only with that problem.
I think most people who are recluse, especially if they are elderly, it seems that people tend to think they are spooky, or hostile.
If people just say negative things about you, maybe it’s time for some self reflection and make some changes.
It’s been my experience that the masses are clueless, and amazingly ignorant; look at all the stuff they made up abt him! If u don’t feed them w info abt yourself, they imagine things!
@@historybits2570 That does not necessarily mean anything. Some people just choose to be a-holes to certain people. It isn't because of personality necessarily. Sometimes they've never talked to person or know the person.
Well said. The social world is afraid of those who are happy with solitude and can enjoy life without being “overly” socially committed. Intelligence requires periods of research and self reflection. We have idiots in charge.
@@AA-ed6ek To have many people repeatedly decide they don't like you, it's you. Sorry to burst your bubble, it's not nuanced. Not everyone is going to like you and not everyone is going to want to be your friend, but if it's constant it's you and you should either accept it and move on with your life or make changes. Plenty of people meet me and don't like me and I don't care, but the problem is me, not them. Stop living in fantasy land giving people bad advice.
I just hope his last message was "So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish".
yup, a favourite song of mine.
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i don't think his departure saved the planet, it's just a sad story of human suffering
@@alistairmurray626 Or the happy story of a man who forged his own path, made his own choices, and lived and died on his own terms, we can only guess.
@@Iain1962 I was just commenting on the quote you chose. He's not a dolphin, he's not leaving the planet to save our lives, it makes no sense. As for him, i've nothing against him or his choices.
I keep up with the unidentified decedent wiki and I remember his case. I remember the pictures of his tent, and I think there were even pictures of him posted (taken by hikers) even though his identity still wasn't known.
I was happy to see he was identified. It's always a good thing. Genetic genealogy is changing the world.
Dang, He made it from NY to Florida as a first time hiker! That was almost epic. If he would have lived he would be a legend.
Perhaps, but he would not have cared one bit. Sad life.
A legend for what?
@@asherdie to have no real experience, and just take off like forest gump and actually walked from NY to Florida. Do you realize how Epic that is? Most people would have died before the halfway mark. That is a jaunt!
@@dougdoesit3013 most people are sheltered then.
@@dougdoesit3013 The Appalachian trail is not wilderness. There is nearby civilization almost the entire length of the trail. Nor is it a rugged trail in any respect.
Mental health inpatient facilities have never been a comforting experience for me. It’s made me more scared and sick. I feel badly for anyone who’s had to get help and ended up in one of those facilities. The ones here in my state are awful. (Oregon)
My favorite time of day is Dr. Grande time! The most consistent and hard working doc on you tube!
All I can say is wow, wow wow! This is one of the best “speculations” I’ve ever heard. Psychoanalytical, plausible in every sequence. Good job Dr. Todd! Episodes like this is what keeps me coming back for more. Great analysis.
Happy Birthday, Todd. This mostly harmless guy probably needed a friend that could give him distance when necessary. I could have been his friend.
Sammmme I have such a primal crush on this dude 😅
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❤same here
AKA, The “Bobby Sands” diet. Sad…
His family and ex didn't want anything to do with him.I feel sorry for him but there was not harmless at home.
They never discussed about him
Dr Grande's trail name would be Cactus
Dr Grandes trail name would be Interesting Dialogue
A mostly prickly character.
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The problem is it is EXTREMELY difficult to starve to death when there is food available. There becomes a point where insanity sets in (look up the Minnesota starvation experiment) and it would be almost impossible to resist food in the vicinity.
There is this season of “alone” which is about people living in the wilderness alone. And there was a guy who was forcebly removed because he was essentially starving and was surrounded with food and refused to eat it because in his mind he was rationing it out. It was so weird.
@@historybits2570 but he didn't starve to death
@@69429bossthe alone example is still relevant.
@@historybits2570 That was an issue of food variety though. He basically had all the protein he needed but no fat/carbs/vitamins
@@69429bossyea because he was removed by professionals from the show
The “Mostly Harmless” name is from the book “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.” It is how the Hitchhiker’s Guide (a reference book for aliens) defines humans. It used to define humans as “harmless” and then it was revised to define them as “mostly harmless.” Maybe he was saying that he was human or an Everyman. And he was hiking so he probably thought that was funny.
I'd categorise humans as 'mostly harmful'. I suppose that says more about my opinion of the human race.
"Harmless " revised to "Mostly Harmless " with the emphasis on "Mostly "
@@KaraLey98 The original radio plays and the 1st 2 books are my favourites.
"A man who found more life in death
than life gave him at birth"
i love that song so much!!
@3:03 I’ve never heard some describe an alcoholic so eloquently….
a problem regulating his intake makes it sound like not such a problem
So sad. There are people who have limited human interaction but still manage to find contentment. Plenty of people do find themselves most content when they are out in nature. Others find it through spirituality or a religious order. Some people prefer animals. It’s sad that he couldn’t be at peace when he was alive but hopefully he is now
I really loved this one Dr. Grande! Nothing is ever as interesting or mysterious as a person’s soul.
I read a non-fiction story about a woman who starved to death. She was very close to a highway in an abandoned house. She kept a journal while she slowly died. For whatever reason(s) she simply could not convince herself to leave and get some food.
I've read the same story, it was, and still is, haunting. She picked all the apples nearby and rationed them out, but eventually had nothing. The house and rooms were well described. The story has stayed with me.
Starvation weakens the body and is dehydrated couldn't move about anymore to get some food. It is sad his $3,000 cash wasn't used to buy food to keep in his heavy luggage to feed himself. RIP
@childrenpraisegod1230 There's a doc called ONLY GOOD KNOWS WHERE I AM. It's really well done.
Linda Bishop - God knows where I am
Happy birthday, Dr. Grande! And happy Valentine's Day to you and your family tomorrow.
Great episode, dr Grande! As much as I like your true crime stories, I also miss your mental health contents from a few years back. This story was interesting in itself and also gave you an opportunity to use your expertise for an appealing psychological interpretation.
Yes his content now is good, but is earlier content was too and much more unique - I wish he would do both.
If it weren't for his old content I wouldn't have taken interest in his channel.
Im on the ASD spectrum and Im also bipolar. Vance's life worryingly sounds like mine, or quite close in many respects. I had a total breakdown about six years ago and had to be diagnosed. So glad that happened, Im getting medication and social help now. Lifes not perfect but Im a hell of a lot happier in myself. I'm sad that Vance seems to not have understood that he had some kind of issues himself, never got similar assistance and that it ended so sadly for him. I think he just needed help.
Yeah 11:25 "Schizoid Personality Features" sounds like junk science to me. High functioning autistic is more like it I'd say.
Glad for you! Sounds like you have learned to recognize and manage your symptoms. Best wishes!
@@cathymc116 Thank you 👍
Symptoms of ASD for Mostly Harmless was my first thought as well. Sure, depression. But schizo-personality? Not convinced. And the cell phone issue. I don't backpack with one. Why is that weird, reckless, etc.? People been wandering for eons without. Sounds like you're doing well with your self-care. Good job and Best Wishes! I've always thought there are some real treasures to be found in people with ASD so long as the rest of society can let them be exactly how they are.
@@aon5709 I replied to ycylchgames almost the same comment as you (ASD yes, schizo no) and it was removed (don't know who or why), Maybe I was too blunt spoken.
Interesting. I live in Lafayette. It was interesting Vance was born here. It was sad he never had inner peace and he teavelled so far but never could escape his mental illness. He must have been a good hiker to have hiked the entire trail. The ending of the story was sad. He must have wanted to die alone.
Omg, so happy Dr. Grande covered this case! I was aware of it when Vance was still unidentified, and the info about him was circulating all kind of nerdy forums. I was obsessed with this case, even more when his body was finally identified. RIP Vance...
You really have a poetic side. It came through on this story. I wish everyone could get the help they need, but it usually can't be forced. Thank you for your insight, thoughtfulness and compassion. If it is your Birthday, may it be a blessed one. Take a few hours off, at least. Give your wife a big hug. Go for a nice walk. Drink tea on the balcony. ❤🎉
@@JesterMax24 If someone is a danger to themselves, it'd be nice to see temporary options available until equilibrium can be reached. My fiance' has extreme depression and anxiety. He gets help when needed, but many of the facilities are not up to snuff to meet the needs of many suffering people.
@@JesterMax24 I agree that it is such a complex thing, requiring family and clinicians to see the individual way before their illness(es), while at the same time trying to help that person combat symptoms. In my case, that involves keeping my hand on his back or forehead all night to help him sleep peacefully, as well as be a sounding board for a semi autobiographical film he wants to produce, including listening to the parts involving enormous self harm. I don't know what you might be going through, but I hope you're not going through this alone.
1:07 Even as a young man, he had really dark circles under his eyes. Goes for all of his pics... Don't Google his composite drawing, it is the creepiest I've ever seen.
I highly appreciate your thorough research in all the cases you present!
Interesting that you mention his overly complex coding style. I happened to have a difficult colleague of whom the same could be said. The fewer people understood the code, the more proud my colleague was of it and the more I tried to raise awareness, the worse it got. Other similiarities are circumorbital rings around the eyes and a problematic father.
Being out in the Woods is a great place when you're not getting along with the world.
it wasn't for Vance. The woods fooled him into believing he could run or walk away from the world. He realized that he couldn't at the end of his trail.
@@adotintheshark4848 Nah, he walked away from the world. He ain't coming back.
I prefer pruning and picking a farm to trekking trail's, air's just as fresh
@@slowtheplanedown 😂 no but I do love going for runs in the woods.
@@Patrusfarr he escaped his world, then left the real world.
Somewhat similar to the story of Christopher McCandless, aka Alexander Supertramp, who was sadly found deceased in an old bus in Alaska in 1992. His story inspired the film Into The Wild.
Glad you brought him up. RIP.
i do not see the comparison.
mccandless was totally reckless which cannot be said of mostly harmless
@@ursodermatt8809Yeah Alaskans find it kind of annoying the way he's been venerated. He's not an example to follow. He shot a moose but had no idea how to cut it up and preserve the meat so it went to waste. He didn't research the area so he was caught off guard when the river swelled. You have to respect nature enough to be prepared.
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he was also not listening to advice of the locals. it was like he almost had a death wish. no map either if recollect correctly so he didn't even know how close to civilisation he was.
It's not about facts, people don't understand the power of 'story'. A story about a successful boyscout outing is not interesting. A story about a disasterous boyscout trip is. Krakauer told a compelling true story about youth, idealism, etc..and it would not have been interesting if it'd all gone according to plan.
You said Lafayette correctly!! I'm born and raised in New Orleans and now live 40 mins north in St Tammany Parish. Happy birthday and Happy Mardi Gras!!🎉🎉🎉
Laissez les bons temps rouler!!!
I grew up in Philadelphia and there was/is a pizza shop called Lafayette and til you confirmed he said it correctly I assumed I had pronounced it wrong all those years
How else would one say it?
I live 10 minutes from Baton Rouge. I’m wondering why he said Lafayette Parish, not the city of Lafayette.
@@atticstattic I'm wondering the same
@@elainehiggins713 I didn't catch that part.
I was diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder in August. This entire video I had an eerie sensation that Vance was living a life parallel to mine if I my physical body had the capability to hike that far. I find that I push myself to my very limits because somewhere in me *wants* to be like other people. Something in my mind wants to be human and feel human. And yet, deeper down, I don't. I can't stand it. I cannot see a world in which I'd be happier changed. And then again. . .
Ambivalence. I live in a constant state of ambivalence.
I see you, Vance. You may have been alone in your life but I will remember you. I will remember you and I will not feel so alone.
Mostly Harmless is a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference. It's a book title that describes Humanity.
The title of a book that describes humanity.
It's the Hitchhiker's Guide's entry for "Earth".
@@TokyoXtreme Yeah, the ENTIRE entry. Just like this hiker!! Mysterious.
I always try to remember that whether things are good, bad or otherwise; that they simply are. No place I could transport myself would change the simple facts of my life because they are what they are. Giving up on things will not change them or improve them. I can see some of myself in Vance, so I can empathize some, and it’s really a sad ending to his life.
Your points are valid and heard, but are you really like Vance in the abusive behavior toward others?
So sad-this reminds me of the "Maine Hermit"-that guy lived alone in the maine woods for 27 years-he had no desire to socialize at all.
That was so weird. Even in the coldest Winter freezes, he wouldn't bunker down with a fire and a sleeping bag. He would walk back and forth to keep warm instead. He didn't want fires in case the smoke was seen by others.
Happy BDay.
This video was even more profound than usual, as we never know what goes on with anyone internally -- especially someone who puts up a good front but isn't quite normal.
charming but reckless!
This video seemed in part like an eulogy. Rest in peace Mostly Harmless. ❤
the part about being a blank slate leading others to project on you is something I've noticed. I tend to be fairly reserved with new people and noticed that this happens to me often
Dr. Grande's description of the way people interpreted the behavior of the enigmatic hitchhiker is the same way people reacted to Chauncey Gardiner in the movie "Being There" staring Peter Sellers and Shirley MacLaine.
Great movie! One of my favorite movies.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DR. GRANDE!! I hope it's an amazing one!
I've been planning my own through hike of the Appalachian trail for a couple of years. I got real big into hiking and I love it. You can't really get big into the Appalachian trail without hearing the story of mostly harmless. It's pretty cool that you covered this
I was looking into the Pacific crest trail in California, do you hike a lot?
Don't underestimate how remote the PCT is, so do your research. You will often be very far away from help and 'civilization'. @vicvega3614
@@vicvega3614 I try to, but i also work alot. I was saving money for the AT but I ended up spending it all on living, due to smashing my car. But life goes on and I am sure the trail will be there when i am readu.
You're on a roll with these vids Doc! Always happy to see a new upload. Happy Birthday
Ong! 1.4 million subs!! I was an original when you had about 10k. Great work!!
This analysis was so interesting and thought-provoking.
We appreciate your insights, Dr Grande. Keep up the good work.
I always find your analysis to be informative ❤
Happy Birthday, Dr. Grande!
Happy birthday 🎉🎊🎈🎂 Dr Grande. You really improved your video quality and content over the past day. This topic is very interesting 🤔. I’ve always wondered about this. I used to live in Florida for a short time so this one 1️⃣ hits close to home 🏠. Very interesting 🧐.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DR. GRANDE 🎉
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Thank you Dr Grande. If it is your birthday, Happy Birthday, all the best for the year ahead. Take Care, from Clare.
🎉Happy B-Day Dr Grande. You are truly one of a kind!
Some people are just quiet. Others are quiet and socially awkward. There are multiple disorders that can prevent people from developing fulfilling relationships. Not just schizoid personality but also Autism/Asbergers, etc. There are plenty of famous people quotes going around social media mentioning how smart people are often lonely. I just saw one today by Hemingway who took his own life. Also it's sometimes not just the person who can't develop relationships. He could be capable of developing relationships but he literally is so unique that what makes him tick doesn't work for anyone else. Looks could also be a factor. The best looking people can be stupid, mean, unlikeable, moody, narcissistic, controlling, etc and still always be in a relationship even if it isn't long lasting. Perhaps he sort of equated his life to the character in "Into the Wild." I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned. Perhaps he was influenced by him. This sort of problem with idealism meets the imperfections of society and flaws of those around you thing. Most people do whatever they want but they keep their idealism on the shelf next to the morals and wear them when the narrative fits or a mask is needed.
Very well presented!
This is very sad. But, his family didn't know he was missing?
He never kept in touch with them. They were estranged. That happens. They may commutate once or twice a year, but that's it. All my family is gone, except my brother. We haven't spoken to each other in years. If he reaches out, fine, but I'm not making the effort. Some people just want to be left alone.
@@takemyjobpleeez 💯 totally agree 👍
I remember this from a few years ago. As I recall, he was "estranged" from his family and close associations for many years. It makes me wonder how he was able to attract anyone to be around him for any length of time. Evidently, he'd go months, if not years with no familial contact. He was disconnected from any social interactions. It leads me to believe that his outward behavior was learned. Just enough to get by on the surface so to speak. Anything deeper, that's a no go. I've known a few people like that. They keep things superficial.
Thanks, everyone. You're absolutely right. Appreciate the replies. xxxx
I remember reading that someone in his family said there was a reason they weren’t in contact…. Seemed to imply he was toxic…
This story was fascinating. Thank you. You left me with great ideas to ponder. You are a pleasure to watch and listen to. I starting watching you on day one and I am not a bit surprised at your 1.4M followers. Your content is reliable and throughly interesting. Thank you for all your hard work.
I remember when this case made the rounds on r/Unresolved Mysteries. A lot of people became emotionally invested in his case and had to integrate finding out he wasn't always the nicest to others.
I remember when I saw an article about it when the news broke and I read the whole thing, and messaged my friend and said "MOSTLY HARMLESS WAS A DOUCHEBAG?!"
Thank you sincerely for posting every day Doctor Grande. Most days, you are the best part of my day.
The autopsy i heard, said he had food in his gut, indicating he had been eating. This suggests some other medical problem, or he might still have had an eating disorder along with maybe something else like diabetes, celiac disease or Adkins disease.
Astute. Sincerely curious here, are you a physician? What brought you to this conclusion?
I am very grateful for this human interest story and wish to thank the content creator. It is indeed a most disturbing universe.
I get wanting to "get lost" and disconnect from the rest of the world to some degree. The early attempt at suicide is strange. Other then mild run in with shop lifting and a little aggression towards females he seems mostly not anti-social..just troubled. To his credit he disconnected from relationships before becoming abusive.
Right, and after changing his mind and wanting to live seemed like a critical time for him to get the proper mental health that never came.
I agree.
@hankdieselify You cannot FORCE people to get "care" especially when that "care" is such a failure so much of the time!
I like how you evaluate and speculate these stories and with experience and expertise you are always spot on...........and you get human nature....
He looked happy on the trail
Such a sad story- Happy Birthday Dr G!
Happy birthday, Dr. Grande! Hope you have a marvelous year :)
Thank you for keeping it straight forward and not exaggerative of unimportant facts twisting a story non existent
Happy birthday Dr. Grande!
That's the thing about mysteries: the appeal of the unknown, which evaporates once all is revealed. In the meantime, though, this was another interesting story/case; thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
Vince sounds so much like me. I don't like being around people, and especially being questioned. I am staying in a backpackers' hostel right now and one of my roommates, who is a vulnerable narc, won't leave me alone. She's definitely latched on, and I have to go and spend the day elsewhere, and pretend to be asleep in the evening, as she won't let me read or spend time alone. I am so looking forward to the spring when I will be able to stay at camping sites...
@yehmen29. I feel for you. I also love being alone...maybe some large headphones? Surely no one would disturb you when you have those on??😅
Mostly harmless sounds wise. His life is much interesting than digital life and indulging in same recycled coversation .
Oh I loved this analysis! ❤ I've often felt like people do that with me because I am generally reserved. I used to think of it as people throwing their fears at me. It's fascinating and kindof a self fulfilling prophecy on their behalf because I deliberately do nothing to reassure them to see how far their irrationality will take them.
Happy Birthday Dr. Grande 🎉
The Pacific Crest Hiking Trail is longer at over 2,600 miles. I've hiked most of it. The AT is not the longest hiking trail.
I never carried a cell phone, that is NOT an unnecessary risk. It's a wish to get in touch with the natural world.
Happy birthday Dr Grande xx
Happy Birthday! I love listening to your videos ❤️😊
This is one sad story...almost made me cry😢....
Happy birthday! You are a treasure. ❤
Weird… I hike in Harriman State Park all the time since it’s close to Brooklyn… and I also love to hike in Big Cypress National Preserve when I’m visiting family in Naples FL. What are the odds I love going to the area Vance started and finished 😅…
Reminds me of that book "Into the Wild"
Same type of person, and same type of impressions he made on strangers
Gracias, Dr. Big!
Thank you, Dr. Todd Grande. ⭐🌵⭐I wish you and your lovely wife and your adorable dogs a Happy Valentine's Day.💓🐕💑🐕💓
Vance looked happier on the trail than in his previous pictures. I hope that was the case, at least until the end.
Dr. Grande should write a book about some really interesting and complex case. His literary depiction of this case is great in all aspects, it’s factual and dramatic, and poetic, but without overly dramatizing or poeticizing.
Mostly harmless, might be reference to douglas Adams. Earth in his book was described as Mostly harmless
I'm glad you did a segment on this story. I remember when SM and the A.T. people were still trying to solve the mystery of his identity.
I followed the case for the duration of his story. I was glad he was identified, that is the least a human should be entitled to when they die unknown. I don't find him a "monster" just because he was allegedly at some point "violent". He clearly did not want to be social, well beyond being an introvert. I think what he was really doing was trying to get away from social life, and people kept insisting that he "try". Some people don't want to be social. The more he was pressured to socialize, the more he became unpleasant. He was just a introverted person who was unable to navigate today's weirdly immersive social environment. I am probably projecting, too, as I feel that way often. Can't imagine being someone with even more of an introverted personality and being forced into socializing. I mean really, someone finding the only way to get away from it is to shut themselves into a tent and just wait to die. I made a playlist in his memory after they IDed him, it's in my playlists. I probably won't watch the documentary, because I think some folks are probably overstating their importance in his story and inflating their role in his life and/or death. It's just a normal human reaction, I guess. BTW, I have followed a lot of missing persons cases, I tend to be interested because I suspect if I went missing my family would not launch an overwhelming effort to find me. Always wondered what happens when people go missing and no one really cares. Now I know, at least in some of the cases anyway.
TLDR: Can relate to introversion, can't imagine it being to a mentally unhealthy level. RIP Mostly Harmless.
"...was just...", "...just because..."
F this guy.
Isn´t it funny that people in comments mostly do exactly what Dr. Grande described: Projecting all kind of personalities, fates, etc. on Vance.