Young Cyclist Disappears in National Park After Odd Behavior | Jacob Gray Case Analysis
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I worked at Glacier National Park for 4 years with my cousin, who was an LE and Backcountry Ranger (LE = law enforcement, backcountry = long distance hikers who roam the most remote regions of the park making sure everyone is okay, maintaining campgrounds, etc.)
The casual dismissal of the Olympia National Park Rangers is baffling and infuriating to me. While it’s true that, in winter, the chances of a lost hiker surviving are extremely low, it’s standard protocol to keep searching until the person or body is found, or if all possible resources have been exhausted and there are no unexplored leads left.
Glacier National Park is located on top of the Rocky Mountains in Montana, and experiences an _enormous_ amount of snowfall, high winds, and subzero temperatures in winter. The entire park gets buried in up to 15 feet (~5 meters) of snow. It takes months to plow the major roads in spring. All sources of fresh water freeze solid, and there is no wild food that can be foraged. *And yet even in the dead of winter, we STILL go out and search for missing persons.* A missing person is automatically top priority as soon as it’s called in. There is no “we’re short staffed” BS. Even when we know that someone is almost definitely dead, we hold out hope and try our best to find them.
The lack of response from the Olympia National Park officials and rangers disturbs me, and they should be ashamed of themselves. Olympia National Park is relatively temperate compared to Glacier, or Joshua Tree, or the Everglades, which all experience extreme weather throughout the year. Olympia gets cold enough to kill someone, but not so cold that they can use it as an excuse to not search for someone. Glacier rescue teams have lost limbs and even died trying to rescue people. What is their excuse? Call in backup from the National Guard if you have to. The Coast Guard even offered them a helicopter! The negligence is just shameful. I don’t care how short staffed they were; every National Park is these days due to severe federal budget cuts. They failed to do their job.
I think they didn't take it seriously. Rookies maybe.
Discussing behaviour.
I hope they got sacked!
I agree, this part makes me so angry…where was their empathy? Or, hey, just do your damn job!!! SMH and baffled…
well... personally (as a retired leo as well), i believe that i'd hold my opinion about those officers perceived rationale and actions in this case until i talked with them or at least got their side of the story... i mean, this video is for entertainment purposes right? thus it makes for a more compelling narrative to have this "purported" rationale and actions in the video... it's more emotional in the story that way... same thing is done in "true crime" television...
I can relate to not wanting to grow up. Getting serious and boring as an adult, in a mundane job is a depressing thought. It's hard to pick a career when a 9-5 life is hollow
Sounds like you need a job outside or perhaps something in medicine. Try a career quiz
Don't grow up, it's a trick!
But if you like it, a 9 to 5 jo is not a problem, especially if the environment is nice. I work more hours than that, even during weekends, and I love it. Just find something you like doing.
Get a job making more than 100k a year and you won't be depressed.
Excellent… My father taught me to always look at the mile marker if ever you were broken down on the side of any highway… The fire department and rescues will always be able to find your coordinates! Mile markers… Those are the little white signs with the numbers written sideways! For those who don’t know!😐
Great tip! Thank you.
Mile markers are green with white numbers in my state.
That was helpful!
@@Catlily5 Interesting. They are white here in California, looks they vary. That's good to know, also.
@@lynnehuff9659 That is interesting. I wonder how many colors they come in?
A Very sad story. I think the rangers were negligent in not allowing a search for Jacob. A very good analysis , Dr Grande.
I lived in the National Park Service for twenty years. My experience is that Rangers love to go off on Search.and Rescue excursions, to get experience in rescuing people.
Rangers must take the safety of their team and the rest of the people using the area into account when the conditions are terminally dangerous. There are a ton of rescue efforts that are put on hold due to weather or no staff. Most people who undertake dangerous activities (like experienced mountain climbers) know that rescue is not always immediately available.
I've backpacked in this area.The end of Sol Duc Road is only 6 or 7 miles from the ridge that overlooks Hoh Lake where his body was found. This is consistent with April in Olympic National Park, it still has winter conditions and requires experience and equipment to climb much of anything. If someone knew of his plans they should have done their best to stop him. If he wasn't suicidal and this was an accident, he was sadly a victim of having his head in the clouds and not properly researching and preparing for the wilderness.
Well said 💯
I can imagine. I have been hiking in Olympic in late May, it was still winter like at higher elevations. I don't really think this was a suicide. We will never know, but I think he was a lost soul that may not have taken survival seriously enough. However, the boots in the plastic bags seem to me to be the action of someone who had hopes of hiking back out. He also opened the emergency blanket.
I have a surprize for you. He ditched his homeless gear about 7 miles in not even close to the hot springs. He then walked up the road and past the hot springs and beyond------------------------for 15 miles. 15 miles ONE DIRECTION. PAST where he ditched his homeless stuff. suicides and depressed never go downhill they always go up to the highest spot. He had some food and stuff but no ability to withstand hypothermia. his hike was a final death hike. He also "toughed it out" during time of death. he did not race back down from elevation. even a person freezing to death can "rush back lower" it also carries great weight he had no lights on him. showing it was an intentional death hike
basically with me? when freezing to death I get up and run around and jump up and down and race around like a maniac. but the guy toughed it out and did not race downhill. it was pure black--no moon. In his final moments he could have tried to start a fire its not impossible likely probable however the fire spot or spots found? could have been there for years. in that situation people will even set fire to themselves or take their boots off. or stick their hands right into a fire and burn up their hands. Not sure which one it is or if this one but I think his boots were off? boots off? that is death by freezing to death . The boots start to feel like your feet are encased in dry ice and you rip them off.
dont quote me have to double check on this one--if his boots were off. generally they are
if your feet and hands are frozen? the snow will feel HOT
I'm glad you have a large audience Dr Grande. The respect you give to people like Jacob who might be exhibiting "odd behaviour" will influence greater awareness of mental health indicators.
So sad. His whole life ahead of him. Searching for "the meaning" of life seems to turn out bad for many people. I think what we search for is many times right in front of us if we will just look.
Often the people are really vulnerable when looking for the meaning of life or their purpose and other such things. The vulnerability means they may not make the right decisions which can lead to negative outcomes.
You couldn't be More right... because very often when ppl are surrounded by loved ones, blood-related or not.... they are not wasting time searching for the meaning of life, as they know it is right in front of them
You may not find the meaning in yourself. Love and salvation can be found in the Bible but he must not have had a very good instructor. We started learning from John 3:16. not whatever that was in Isaiah
Excellent analysis 👍
“The only Zen you’ll find at the top of a mountain is the zen that you bring with you”
Sad story. I’ve personally gone on a solo, soul searching journey through those parts and I have to say within that trip we’re some of the most lonesome, sorrowful times in recent memory. . Beautiful as it was.
❤❤ hope you’re doing well now
Wow. “Beautiful as it was.” That part…
Maybe I’ll take a trip down there as well some day 😢
What can you say about the silence, at night?
Hi Nick, you need JESUS!
Out of context to this Particular Story I would like to pay you (Dr. Grande) a strong compliment. I have watched many of the channels that provide observational opinions: law, body language, general reactions ect. Of the most highly subscribed to channels yours has the highest consistently well thought out, researched, most balanced and timely delivery. Bravo Dr Grande 👏🏻
I truly wish you program took the place of most of the junk served up on broadcast TV. You are simply the Best 🏆 .
You might like Coffeehouse Crime, if you haven't checked it out.
I agree. I'm taking lessons from Dr.Grande on how to assess all kinds of situations. I appreciate his case presentations and analyses.
I agree as I watch all the same.
I live in this area and know some of the people in the search party. April in that area is still winter conditions. A lot of young men think they can handle the environment and they simply cannot. When the rangers say they had no resources it was not because they were not compassionate but because they truly have no extra resources. They cut staff in the winter as well. They understand the danger of being in that area too early in the season. It is a very heavily visited tourist area as well btw
Dosen't make their choices about Jacob ok.
Dosen't make their choices about Jacob ok.
I don't understand why nobody called the police/search and rescue.
The Olympic National Forest is no place you want to get lost. It is thick and dense, in certain spots the trees tower above Highway 101 almost creating a canopy from the sky above. There is a certain ornamental plant that is in high demand with florists and is very expensive, that flourishes deep in the woods. Several years ago an immigrant from Forks was lost searching for it. At that time $100/day could be earned, but it's risky.
Nice work!
It's also a place where wandering off the path can get your lower body soaking wet in your cotton jeans, just from the undergrowth.
Watch out for plant covered traps, don't fall down.
The plants are western sword fern, salal and Oregon grape, it can get waist high and it's hard going in the tangled underbrush. In places there's also the native blackberries throughout making the going even tougher.
When someone is described as introverted, sensitive, and “odd” I’m always left wondering if they’re autistic. I’m autistic and didn’t get my formal diagnosis until a few weeks ago and I’m 31. I wonder if undiagnosed neurodivergence could have been a piece of things for this sweet soul. This is so sad. Plenty of neurodivergent people feel lost in life and we deserve a world that helps us find meaning and purpose outside of capitalism.
Parent's can fall short of the needs of the autistic children. They are human beings of their own needs as well. And the way of thinking with autism has changed. But Parents in general are still lost. They should have taken mild autism much more seriously.
Well said
"You're not DIAGNOSING anyone, merely speculating on a situation that could be happening..."
@@E.C.Animation yeah lol I love that he always specifies that. I was also a therapist previously and ethically we can’t diagnose any humans that aren’t our clients. We can diagnose fictional characters for fun tho! Dr. Grande did great with a video on Michael Scott for that once lol.
Im an introvert and always prefer being by myself...but at the same time I love drinking with women and having a great time at full blast...what is that considered?
Ive been to Sol Duc Falls and Olympic National Park. It was the end of summer but yeah it's a seriously dangerous area to hike even on heavily used trails. Literally full of ankle breakers. The river is no joke either, full of slippery rocks, falls and rapids. There's dangerous hot springs too. The forest is steep, dense, lots of small springs and full of huge fallen trees. I couldn't imagine trying to navigate through that in winter without falling through the snow into icy water or between two massive fallen trees hidden beneath. Very easy to get lost. And were those giant slugs there poisonous? They sure looked like it. Extremely beautiful but the place is not to be taken lightly. This story is so sad and I really feel for the family. May this young adventurous man rest in peace.
How could they not put out alot of Effort???!!! Jacob Deserved to be search for!! His Devastated Family!! I'm so sorry for Jacob, and his Loved Ones!! Heartbreaking!!💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️
What do you mean deserved? He was dead.
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eb - Dr. Grande seemed to imply that if the helicopter had been called in early on he might have been found alive.
@@eadweard. do you know when he was dead? I think she is referring to the Coast Guard helicopter that someone refused to be used? (And why it wasn't anyway! Bro in same, no?)🤔🌻
Oh, Dr. Grande… oftentimes, you choose such sad contents that pierce through my heart… As a mother of a young daughter, my heart goes out to him, whatever he was dealing with in his life and during the time of his death. He was so young… I pray for his family. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
This one hit me really hard, too. I’m praying for his family as well. God bless.
I understand , i just had my first kid, a baby girl
@@OneSliceNation if you didn’t have your own child, will you feel less? I don’t get how this is important? 🙄
@@sent1169 It's not about feeling more or less as a human being whether or not you have children. The best way I have to describe the difference when you have a child who you love is that your feelings are entwined with that wee person and those bindings grow stronger and more sensitive as time passes. Your wellbeing is entwined with theres. You are therefore more sensitive to their loss. To be clear this is not that you become too intrusive in their lives or decisions, etc. Those bonds are infinity strong but don't impede independent life for either. Hope my clumsy explanation helps.
@@sent1169 I agree with you - sick of people saying “oh if you don’t have kids you wouldn’t understand”. Uh no I’m a human being I get that’s it’s disgusting and tragic… millennial and Gen x parents are always trying to one up everyone else
Thank you for this excellent analysis.
I have walked in many places with high-risk factors with minimal equipment and clothing. I would climb up and down in steep granite, search areas for plants and other things of interest and always made it back in time for dinner. This was way before Citizen band radios were common, Cell phones just a dream for some engineers.
The key to surviving alone is always being aware of where you are, the route back to a safe place and undertake only those risks you are willing and prepared to fail at given only what you are carrying with you. I will be 71 in November.
Such a sad story. Reminds me of the story of Christopher McCandless, who perished in Alaska trying to live off of the grid.
Yes, l thought of him too after watching 'Into the Wild', so tragic 😥
“Embracing the magic of autumn” has never given me such a smile. That delivery is golden. (And I even use Native.)
God help anyone else lost in that area. How callous of those men who did not want to do their job and had no regard or respect for Jacob or his family.
Truly loving the steady stream of quality content, Dr. Grande. As a fellow mental health clinician, I hope you're taking time for self-care! According to my calculations (acknowledging that mental health counselors are not renowned for their mathematics prowess), the rate at which you produce videos is barely leaving you time for REM sleep. Take care of yourself!
😂😂😂 Sir, the Dr. would appreciate it if you not underestimate his talent and experience. Gracias.
@@eye-leenlove To be able to speak for the doctor, are you his wife❤?
@@allinaday9882 😎
I start my morning with a strong cup of grande
Wow…thanks for sharing Dr. Grande!! This story really hits home for me… I am from the Santa Cruz Mountains.. Born an Raised, both of my sons also grew up there…. This young man you describe in the story has similarities, (personality wise) as my son… who is 21 years…. Quiet, a bit introverted , and unsure of which direction to take in life….his parents are divorced etc….I’m very Sad for this young man in your story…. I strangely understand much of his adventurous direction in life…, Santa Cruz, Yards away from the humongous red-wood rain forest , is comparable to all of Yosemite….I understand how this young man felt so comfortable in the woods… however most likely miscalculated the natural elements before him…. Thank you 🙏🏻 for Sharing……Really inspires me to embrace, and try to closely guide my sons through this very delicate transition into manhood ♥️….
So sad. This young man's family clearly cared about him and valued him. He seemed to underestimate the winter weather, especially at high elevations.
And the forest itself. It's super dense and the trees are literally massive. Just walking through the undergrowth will get someone soaking wet. There's a ton of ankle breakers every step there and lots of streams and dangerous hot springs to step in. Which can mean death in cold weather.
Oh boy, I absolutely loved your plugging the Native products with your closet of shirts in the background...ok, now I'll listen to the story.😄
Yeah, it cheered me up as well 😁
I'm quite surprised that, regarding all the usual comments about his shirts, hardly anybody commented on this one. I expected the fans of Dr Grande's shirts to be all excited. 😂 Maybe many skipped the ad.
I love all the content and the speed at which you are able to provide it. That has to take a lot of work. Much appreciated Dr. Grande! Keep em coming!
Ps. This has been one of the most stressful, painful years of my life due to so much loss in a short span of time. It's been almost impossible for me to fall asleep and stay asleep because my anxiety is out of control. Then I started watching your channel. You have a calming presence that makes me feel that.. yes, it's rough right now, but it won't always be like this. And I'm able to sleep a little bit better. Thank you so much for that. You have a fan for life ❤
Same. ❤
Me too!!! ❤
You are not alone! I feel the same way 😟 I hope u feel better soon! ☀️🍀
Hopefully you feel less stress soon 😊🌺🧡
@@Me-An-88 I hope you do too hon. Peaks and valleys. We'll get through it!
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! Searching for the meaning of life is indeed many times a hard journey, but in my opinion it’s always helpful to be surrounded by meaningful people, doesn’t need to be many, but keep ourselves in company. Taking solo journeys in that state of mind it’s not always a great idea. May Jacob Rest In Peace.
Some of us have no meaningful people....I have no family, loved ones or close friends.
@@Mortthemoose Really sorry to hear that 😔 are you able to become a meaningful person to somebody else? I find focusing outwards helps when I'm going through hard times
When on a trip, even a solo one, one has the opportunity to come in contact with a lot of people, get out of the familiar, hear from different perspectives.
It might help you to keep outside your confort zone and not be consumed by your day to day rotine.
There is nothing inherently unhealthy about it. Nothing inherently positive either. It is just a diferent way of being.
@Mortthemoose neither do i. wanna be friends? 😊
I live on the Olympic Peninsula and the Park claims a person now and again. It can be dangerous in the best of weather. Most tourists don't get more than a mile or two from the parking lots, It's a huge park, so if you are lost back there, you are probably forever lost. It's vast and it's primitive. No one thought he would be found alive after a couple of days. So sad.
I live 45 minutes from Port Townsend, Washington. Thank you again Dr. Grande. Well done on our local name pronunciations!!
Some people like to see how far they can push their adventures and push themselves. If you do that sort of thing, there is always risk. Thousands of people do it every year. A handful don't come back. Jacob may have left his sleeping bag behind to go "fast and light," thinking he could improvise a shelter for the night if he had to. It dials up the adventure factor. Jacob lacked experience and may have misjudged the difficulty of his hike or his physical limits. Mountains always add risk to a journey, especially in cold, wet weather.
Yes. There is risk in hiking alone in the National parks. The other 9,998 people who are just a day or two late don’t want search and rescue teams including helicopters looking for them. The rangers were not as out of line as Dr. Grande thinks.
Also, no one in Santa Cruz grows up. I know. I lived there for 15 years.
It is so easy to get lost in the woods. Climb over a rise or hilltop and then forget the path back. I don’t go into woods without my phone or Garmin.
Actually it is not easy to get lost. Just people dont simply want to back step their path, and want to find another way to come to the same place. But simply if you are lost or dont know where are you going, simply go back where you came from simple as that.
Inexperienced man on an adventure, grossly underestimates nature and it cost him his life. I think often people's speculations tell more about them than who they are speculating about.
thank you for posting so often, dr. grande! i hope you’re having a great day!
It does sound like these missing 411 cases to me there is some type of supernatural components of this I'm sure of it. Maybe he did just wander off and get himself killed but maybe not.
Hey Mr. Meeseeks 👋
@@petejohnson8366 I would hazard to guess that you might not realize the power and magnitude of the natural world, if you are so quick to ascribe supernatural causes.
The natural elements (like wind or water) are strong enough to extinguish all of us.
A sad and poignant story, beautifully told, especially your concluding remarks.
Thanks for the quick, partial peek at your shirt collection, Dr. Grande. :) Maybe for 2 million subscribers, a full reveal of your closet and attire rationale is in order.
Aww, I loved your thoughts about this, the bible quote and his possible depression. Years ago, before the internet, I had a friend who took off on a bicycle trip across the country with the goal of raising awareness of child abuse. Also WA state headed to DC to speak speak with Congress. But, she was 30 and determined. No matter how poor her gear and fitness was. We watched her head East pedaling up to Snoqualmie Pass, where I'd only seen lean and technical bikers dare go before. Astonishingly, 2 months later she wrote to us from the midwest.
Sounds like my sister from another mother! Lol
Thank you for remembering Jacob. I enjoyed your thoughts.
A cheap way to have your shoes be waterproof while walking is to wrap them up in trash bags while walking in snow. It keeps your feet dry from melting snow. It also keeps your feet just a little warmer because plastic is actually a decent insulator. At least when you tape them/have it sealed as much as possible. So that probably explains why his shoes were put into trash bags. Then he just... sadly succumbed to hypothermia.
His boots were in the bags, but they weren't on his feet.
I've done it many times. And if your shoes are wet you can wrap some bags around your sox inside your shoes temporarily.
Kids. Snow. No boots? Breadbags
@@eadweard. look up paradoxical undressing during Hypothermia.
Thank you Dr Grande for your thoughtful and sincere analysis of the tragic death of Jacob Gray.I was very moved by your thoughtful presentation and your insights are valuable and provide much needed wisdom.....while not making a diagnosis I can't help wondering if in addition to "depression" Jacob may have been on the Autism Spectrum without knowing it....his desire to be alone (although he was lonely) and his feelings of being displaced and of not fitting in and of struggling to be an adult and to find meaning and purpose in his life remind me of my own son , who also loves to be in the wilderness and also to wander. I think the wandering from A to B can give an artificial sense of purposeness while providing a reason to avoid issues you may be struggling with . Just like Jacob ,when I separated from my sons father the loss of our family home hit him very hard . His safe space was gone and he felt very displaced and it seems that Jacob suffered the same way. He felt great anguish at having to part with his childhood memories there ; especially his bedroom and treehouse . I wonder if Jacob felt the same pain of suddenly feeling forced to grow up and not feeling ready. ....I know my son takes comfort in being alone in nature and with animals because unlike when he is with other human-beings, there is no judgement or questions ; he is just who he is.....but sometimes being out in the wilderness exacerbates that feeling of being "alone" . Liking being on your own of course does not mean you are immune to loneliness.....these are just my thoughts of course but I felt drawn to Jacobs story and as a mother I felt his loss keenly as if it could have been my child ....I found the heartlessness of the Rangers with their callous disregard for Jacobs life and the feelings of his family astoundingly painful and incomprehensible .....
Hi, I’m not actually on the autism spectrum, but I do think I have a streak or it here and there, which I recognized after two of my children were diagnosed with ASD. Place is huge for me. I remember being devastated as a teen when my family sold the cabin we had had vacations at every year, even though alternate vacation plans were made. It was that place I needed, at least in my mind. Also, I recently moved back to my home town, and I have caught myself getting much more emotional about buildings that still look the same as they did thirty years ago, than the various family and friends I have now been geographically united with. It kind of scares me (“shouldn’t you care more about people!?” I think to myself), but part of it is that the places are stand-ins for the people that go with them, I think. But still, the other part is that I really do get attached to the place itself.
This poor kid. Even if anyone had known that he was desperately searching for something, I doubt whether anyone would have been able to stop him from going in this quest. I wish someone would have been able to reach him in the inner parts of his soul, to find out what he was dealing with, but I know that isn’t always possible, and I’m definitely not blaming anyone.
But why did you break up the family?
That's a very interesting, heartfelt comment Cassie.
I felt very moved by Jacob's story too, and have just added my comment.
I had a feeling people would make fun of Jacob and call him stupid, ignorant etc. Your comment was lovely.
@@Mortthemoose how thoughtful and nice of you to let me know you appreciated my comment ; thank you....I'm so glad you feel the same way about Jacob
What a terribly sad case! Your analysis and final thoughts where so brilliant, and I loved how you called out the "compassionate and sensitive."
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Hearing Dr.Grande's deadpan voice saying "embrace the magic of autumn" is so hilarious. Love it.
Dr. Grande, how do you produce your content so fast? It is always of such excellent quality and consistently well researched. Do you ever sleep?
I am pretty sure he is able to produce content so quickly is because he treats this as a full time job and his videos aren't ever more than him talking and maybe a picture or clip here and there. I love that he produces 1 to 2 videos a day though, he is obviously very persistent and takes UA-cam seriously
Dear Dr. G what great advertorial. I'm a skippy (Australia) but it is a very useful and thoughtful recommendation. Sad but brilliant analysis. The dry humour about the rangers vas exquisite. Like hundreds of thousands of other folks I rely on your highly enjoyble and superbly structured analysis as an intellectual holiday from the rest of my life and a pick me up too. From you devoted Aussie fan.
Another excellent story. Him not taking his phone is a bit of a red flag. My sister had suffered bipolar disorder about 35 years being well-maintained until 3 years ago when the "end-stage"" set in causing her to suffer gray matter deterioration of parts of her brain. One day, she left home WITHOUT her cellphone. Never did that. Declared missing until next day when she was discovered at base of George Westinghouse Memorial Bridge. He jumped to her death. Maybe this lad committed suicide.
If youre going to a national park where you know you probably won’t have a signal, sometimes you might not bother with taking it because it’ll be kinda useless and require a charger of some kind. Not easy when on a bike.
That's so sad. I'm very sorry for you and your family.
@John Fox: You are informing us that the end stage of bipolar diagnosis is gray matter cell death? Thank you, I had not read that in my studies years ago. ( And I know that you tube does not allow false information on this platform. This extremely upsetting information. Especially because you are applying this dx. to a 21 year old young man. If true, it would lead to many suicides. How very, very sad.😔
@@allinaday9882 Dang!
@@allinaday9882 “and i know UA-cam doesn’t allow false info on this platform.” While I’m sure UA-cam would love to be able to weed out all false info, that would be virtually impossible with the billions on comments made. So please, PLEASE, do NOT believe everything you see, hear, or read on UA-cam or any other social media site. There are people out there with horrible motives. I’m not saying the OP is lying about grey matter death. I have no idea if its true. Do your own research. Don’t take anything for face value
Sounds like this poor young man was trying to find some sort of identity/purpose through his travels across the country. Also, I love your shirts...caught a peak of them in the ad😄 They are colorful and fun. A great contrast to your dry/dark humor (which I love) 😃
I have asked if you could do an episode on pit bull ownership and even when owners and their close family and friends get killed - they don’t really seem to speak out . Some try and get ganged up on by pit bull
Advocates -
Something happened again today to cause two pit bulls to kill 2 children and the mother who they lived with is in hospital. Will anyone do anything ?
Huge fan Dr. Grande, I really enjoy listening to your commentary while at work. Congratulations on your milestone!
As someone who has ridden his bike around the perimeter of TX, I have to say his setup sounded rough.
I'm also a bikepacker/backpacker and thought that the second I heard the bike was won in a raffle. Jacob Gray sounded a lot more prepared than Chris McCandless nevertheless their stories are hauntingly similar. I hope he's at peace now, wherever he is.
Key word: set up.
I've never gone on a trek, but he didn't seem to be prepared for his journey.
If you don't have the money, you can't buy all the proper equipment. If you've got the patience, and you are interested, I've added a comment today (a long one...sorry).
What a sad ending 😢 Thank you Dr Grande for your sensitive analysis. Fan from Canada 🇨🇦
As one of the primary searchers for Jacob and a very close friend of the family, I can confirm that you are 80% correct. Jacob was very athletic, very prepared and was not lost. He was and is very loved. He may have been dealing with some emotional issues as many young adults do, but he had food and supplies on him and was not trying to disappear forever. That is all I can say out of privacy and love for his family. We love you Jacob!!! God bless you ❤
I get so excited when I see a new Dr. Grande video! Tough subjects sometimes but excellent analysis. 👏 👍
Omg congrats on 1.2M! I can’t believe it! You’re awesome and I love your content!! Xo from Brazil
I just wanted to take a second and tell you Dr. Grande that I really love your channel and it makes me feel grounded and I really hope you continue to give us chin scratching content.
Thank you for your analysis on Jacob Gray. I find this story very sad. Jacob seemed to be a innocent lost soul wander aimlessly. As for the rangers, they were careless and not fit to be rangers.
Even though he circled the verse, we might know its meaning in the context of the chapter but we're missing the context of his thoughts. Unless he had a diary or wrote something in the margins, we'll never know what meaning he took from it or how he thought it applied to his life. We don't even know when he circled it. He might have forgotten about it.
Were the park Rangers ever investigated? Their behavior seems very suspicious to me! Idk
You have clearly never been to the Olympic National Park / Forest. It’s not a mall or an amusement park.
The park is nearly the size of the country of Iraq. Except covered in 200 foot tall evergreenss and incredibly thick brush.
What a sad situation. I wouldn't want the Rangers searching for me, there words and actions were so cold. I'm so pleased they found him hopefully it will give his family and loved ones a sense of closure. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis, tragic outcome and informative topic.
CT - I always appreciate your comments! Oz is so far from Arizona but we seem closer. Thanks for friendship in these times! 💐
@@bthomson Thank you for being a wonderful friend, I really enjoy your comments too❤💐
They risk their lives trying to find people
To be fair, after awhile Rangers get tired of unprepared hikers and campers getting lost in the park.
@@nhmooytis7058 Mostly tourists get lost in Australia, I've never heard of anyone saying there fed up with finding them.
This reminds me so much of the Justin Alexander case. Harley Rustad's book provides a very compelling account of the situation. There is also discussion around the so-called 'India Syndrome' and how it (allegedly) affects people.
I had a read. Fascinating
Sounds more like the sasquatch syndrome in Gray's case. I'm curious now to read about Justin Alexander. The Parvati Valley is known for strange disappearances.
I saw a Halloween shirt in the closet! Coming up!🎃
At Christmas time you might think about discussing the case of Ebenezer Scrooge. That would be fun and different.
Isaiah 34:11 is interesting because the demon of the night, Lilith (ha-lilith, "the screech owl," not really as a proper noun), has also been translated as "screech owl." If anyone living in the country has ever heard the bloody murder scream of the screech owl, they will appreciate the reference. You don't know what it is, because it's night time, dark, and out of the apple tree in the field comes the most blood curdling scream you can imagine.
Fascinating!
Hey Dr. Grande ! Can you analyze the case of the Stockton California Serial Killer that is currently active in California? I know not much information is available at the time, but I believe it'd be great to get your insight on the case !
So often rangers do nothing or very little to help find lost people to the point of negligence. They seem to only help after police or the media become involved.
Feel so sad for Jacob. Sounds like he was a lost soul searching for something he never found.
Thorough and compassionate
Extremely insightful even poetic analysis about what happened using details you gathered.
I can sympathize with Jacob. When I was his age, I was restless and depressed. I only had one goal, get away from home and be on my own.
can't wait to see you wearing that jack-o'-lantern shirt that was in the picture for a short time when you advertised your sponsor 😊🎃
What a sad and intriguing case. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
What a thoughtful and compassionate evaluation, Dr. Grande, very moving.
Sad story, I appreciate your help in understanding.
Another of those stories that makes you really look forward to your analysis, Doc.
"What do I think happened in this situation?" Yeah! What the hell happened?!
Many people get lost hiking, underestimate inclement weather conditions & get themselves in life threatening situations. Some barely escape & survive, others don't. Even seasoned experienced hikers. Could have been simply that he got lost and it cost him his life.
And also, congratulations on your new sponsor! Coconut and vanilla sounds so dreamy! ♡♡
Hello Dr Grande, so glad you are on UA-cam "speculating"! The methodical way you list evidence and compare and contrast possible scenarios could be used as a training ground for law enforcement investigators. Could you please talk about the case of Meghan Marohn, missing as of 3/27/22, and whose remains were discovered on 9/01/22? It gets colder and colder as the weeks pass. Thank you in advance!
I’m so glad YT started recommending your videos to me
Thanks for the upload! Your hard work is appreciated ❤️❤️
This was so well done. Thank you!
Another great video Dr Grande, I especially enjoy stories on the missing such as this. Thx.
Counting down the days until Dr. Grande wears the pumpkin shirt!
That one caught my eye right away, too.
Yeah! That shirt rules! 🎃
We are about to enter a real life “Mad Max Beyond Thunder Dome” soon.
Gosh I hope you’re wrong.
@@oregonsnob31 Me too but the world only seems to get crazier.
@@BlessedbytheKingofKings so true. Sad but true.
Happy for another Grande video. Checking UA-cam just to see if Grande posted bc I know he already posted earlier but sometimes posts more than once per day. Thanks for so many great videos, Grande. I learn a lot from your videos.
Maybe kitty would be more comfortable on a bike?
Thank you so much for your amazing videos! Could you please do a video on George Sordini? There’s a lot of his blog posts online and it’s so strange and sad. I understand if the topic is too intense. Thank you so much for your insight!
This is quite a mystery. His pictures show him to be handsome and calm looking, and seemingly a sensible and nice guy. Most of the time these oddball stories show oddball looking misfits who don't look like they are all there. So looks can definitely be deceiving. If I saw this young man on the street I would not expect he was troubled in any way. These stories always get in my head as I try to understand why things happen. I'm always glad to hear your analysis that shows things are not always as they seem.
I know these moments, if tears fall I feed a bit of my soul to him.
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Seems to be the most artistically planned tragic suicide story I've heard by a very sensitive soul who was careful to make sure nobody was going to stop him.
That's such an excruciating, slow way to die. Do you really think someone would plan, and go through with that?
But why buy all those supplies?
@@bthomson I'm thinking he either wasn't sure how long he'd take to have the courage or, he wanted to make sure things looked legit. I'm even wondering if he covered his boots in bags to avoid leaving more obvious tracks. I also wonder if he didn't fake his dip into the river to throw off scent but if he was depressed not everything he would do would make sense. Maybe he was both determined and confused.
You watch too much TV, I guess. This is absurd. He simply was not prepared for the conditions and was overconfident.
@@wsidechris you're obviously a jaded judgemental person who is incapable of allowing others their own opinion. I feel sorry for the people around you.
Really sad.
Thanks for your careful reporting Dr Grande. I love your description of the Rangers and their “compassionate” approach. Your sarcasm here was absolutely on point and relevant. Let’s hope one of their loved ones don’t end up in an equally tragic situation, and if they do, let’s also hope they receive a more empathetic response from law enforcement.
Thank you again Dr Grande.
Brilliant analysis again.
I can’t believe how the rangers reacted. As a parent, I would have lost my ever-loving mind!
Typical,could be on the payroll.
These days many are over worked, under paid and not fully staffed. Funds are not allocated properly to handle the work load. Also there were several unfortunate other happenings - none of which is excuse enough!
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Sounds so much like Chris McCandless...restless, tortured souls trying their best to wrestle through their childhood trauma, and dying tragically before finding any real resolution.
You sure read a lot of bias into this. He was simply unprepared and overconfident about his expedition skills.
Omg I loved seeing the shirts during the commercial.
Terribly sad story of a young man who had so much life before him.
I really enjoy your speculating.
The depth of the few last sentences of this video touched my heart and shook me up. The parallels and paradoxes that you drew between the cognitive and the physical were utterly fascinating and incredibly profound. Thanks for always sharing your thoughts and wisdom.
Poor Jacob. My heart aches for him.
And I am so, so angry at the park rangers. They make me sick. If you go into that job you should care about people! They should be sued.
My heart goes out to the family
Cool shirts! Have we seen them all? Love your show!
Love your product placement!
You got this one lock stock and barrel ... Seems you're a triple threat as master sleuth, Doctor and an ultra-dry comedian. All that and a damn fine shirt collection 3:03 can't wait to see that pumpkin shirt make an appearance soon.
Is that your shirt closet, Dr Grande? I saw that Hallowe'en pumpkin shirt!!😁
Dr Grande, the deodorant rant was HILARIOUS!! PLASTIC CONTAINER DEODORANT.... holding the deodorant in the closet. Your humor is top notch!
Such a dry, witty and completely spot on commentary. Im stoned listening to you and just having a great night