Why is Licensing Board Threatening Jordan Peterson's License? | Dangers of Emotional Board Members
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2023
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the situation involving Jordan Peterson and the potential loss of his professional license?
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“What they really needed to do is control their emotions” - Dr Grande
😂😂😂 Love it!
I suspect they will drop it for now. What a precedent to set for the rest of the world! "If we don't like your tweets, you lose your license." The stupidity is laughable. They should think long and hard about getting to that hearing.
@@vivienneb6199 if the actions are not rational they are emotional -> they need to control their emotions
@@vivienneb6199 Censoring free speech through coercive tactics such as attacking a person’s credentials IS irrational.
If ideas are “bad” rational people can make that determination on their own.
Communication, even of bad ideas, is the fundamental purpose of EVERY SINGLE one of your neurons. Severing a nerve that transmits information about damage to the body without addressing the damage is irrational.
That’s what makes “pain killers” so dangerous. Pain is a “bad idea” meant to signify something is wrong. Censorship of that information means the damage goes unattended and can lead to catastrophic failure of the system.
@@vivienneb6199 Do you typically think so small?
Of course he won’t stop speaking, but this sets a precedent that less known psychologists will be squelched if they do not comply.
Just because they can’t shut ONE psychologist up, you believe it’s ok for them to shut thousands more up?
@@vivienneb6199 I mean…we JUST went through a professional culling regarding COVID where dissenting opinions were met with loss of licenses, clients, and jobs.
Why are you so excited about abject tyranny?
As a mental health professional and a free speech sympathizer myself, I find it highly admirable that Dr. Grande stood up on principle defending a colleague (i.e., Dr. Peterson), even though he himself is arguably of different political persuasion and arguably critical of said colleague and arguments he puts out there. This is how we should all conduct ourselves when it comes to professional ethics and virtue. Bravo! 👏
@@user-account-not-found I respect your right to freely express your views, even if they are perceived as obviously rude, violent, poorly reasoned, and lacking any meaningful contribution to the conversation, beyond perhaps mild amusement factor due to maladapted trolling. Ty for commenting tho.
@@sinisasub85 ok there
Well said
He's free to speak his mind. He just won't be a representative of Ontario College of Psychologists anymore. I don't know why Peterson cares so much, he barely does any Clinical Psychology and is essentially a paid shill at the moment.
It doesn't seem like you've been paying very close attention. Dr. Grande has slowly but surely begun to reveal his political biases. I think this is a mistake that really detracts from the informative content he has to offer.
As a licensed river boat pilot on the Amazon, I feel that it demands more sensibility, rationality and emotional control to handle a boat and the dangers of the wilderness than anyone would ever develop sitting on a licensing board.
if thats real, then u have an awesome job..
🙌😉☺️
@@MrAlipatik I wish, but I was just kidding because the doc kept bringing up the river boat license joke... still you get my point. Anyway, I live in Rio de Janeiro and Im a licensed tour guide. I do ride boats every once in a while but as passenger and mostly on the sea or salty lakes, the later which are full of aligators, but not anywhere near as cool or dangerous as the Amazon river.
Exactly, the point you´re making is very helpful. When your job consist in making statements about some topic, you can be incompetent, malingering or both. No-one says the consequences of your wrong statements immediately. But when you do a practical job, it is very easy for anyone to see what you can do. That´s why so many intellectuals sell nothing else but poison and nonetheless they are exalted like gods.
@@Parmenides100 Thomas Sowell said it better. :-) And the point is: sitting board members should be renowed and respectful members or former workers of its field, not just plain bookworms.
Dr Grandes' ability to bring up a really serious and important issue, while at the same time make you laugh, is just brilliant.
I know, the driest sence of humour that I've ever seen since my daughter's doctor!
He did not, in point of fact, bring up or in any way substantively analyze any serious issue. It's genuinely amazing how many people failed to notice this video made no coherent argument, nor even any specific claims, and cited no primary sources at any point.
Of course, people who have a favorable opinion of Peterson are exactly the type to fail to notice such glaring intellectual shortcomings.
Yeah, CPO, not C3PO. That's brilliant! I'm thinking he missed the calling to be a standup comic.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Rather than point you to my comment, I'll copy and paste it here: A few counterpoints: 1) While the CPO is technically a government entity it operates at arm's length from the government. There is s distinct difference which should be made. 2) I belong to a professional organization which cautions against bringing disrepute to the profession. Need I explain the reasoning behind such cautionary advice or the possible consequences to the organization if I ignore this caution? 3) To suggest, as you do (11:00), that the CPO could sanction anyone based on "innocuous social media posts or any type of public statement" beggars belief. Why would they? 4) Following that, to suggest that Peterson's comments about the PM of Canada being a narcissist, that doctors are mutilating transgender patients, or that Elliot Page is causing other transgender people to undergo surgery are innocuous gives a new meaning to the word. 5) You conclude that every statement a professional says "must be factual" (11:00) when that is not what the policy states. There will always be the opportunity to introduce opinions but ones that wantonly ignore or contradict professional research may result in a challenge. 6) We do not know the complete facts of the complaints nor the complainants because the CPO does not make public comments about either. To state, as you do, "that at least a few members of the CPO, perhaps the majority, became aggravated by Jordan's political ideology. It upset them that he had the right to speak freely. Perhaps they thought that right only belonged to people who agreed with them" is not supported by any facts. To further suggest that he was targetted in order to silence him is conjecture.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Thanks for that. I thought the same.
I think it is grossly unfair to be disciplined by a board based on complaints that do not come from a client, employee, or supervisee.
It wouldn't be hard to find someone who thinks he's a little "out there", but just aren't bothering to tell anyone. It's really beyond the purview of any board, though.
ASSUMING Grande is right and this is just about opinion.
Well see who cancels who, you woke moralist! What Rules? You sons of britches!
I think it's unfair that because of my profession I'm not entitled to speak my mind on certain subjects and am held to a certain standard of behaviour even outside work. But I wouldn't flout the rules and then complain about it because I knew what I was signing up for.
Exactly!!..They do the same ridiculous thing in the crime world. Having witnesses to crimes that aren't the victim, then having these 'non-victim witnesses' report on those crimes is profoundly unfair to the criminals and simply should not happen in the modern world. It's clearly a woke-lefty attack on free-speech, playdough, and beef-burgers.
I am impressed with and really appreciate how you separate your feelings about Jordan and stay focused on the topic
This guys is very right wing..?
@@taylor11111 Peterson is further right than Grande.
Lol, good one!
I like Dr Grande. He's very knowledgeable and professional.
Lol, oh boy.
"If only they (the licensing Board members) had had some mental health training, they would have fared better." 🤣🤣🤣 Your spot on humor always hits the bull's eye.
Gosh, maybe they'd have to agree to go through some mandatory training in order to maintain their licenses!
As always, Dr. Grande, you did not disappoint!
Revoking his license will only serve to increase his popularity. There's nothing people hate more than an unjust verdict and punishment, especially now when our top heavy governments go after someone so influential.
Remember Timothy Leary and Ram Dass! same scenario.. Fired became outcasts, became famous, became counter culture celebrities
@@mritzs5142
Spiritual leaders. Many claim this. Few are influential.
Peterson isn’t nearly as smart as people think he is. But he hasn’t done anything to justify losing his license.
@@TheJosephPrice
Maybe, a stern chastising.
@@TheJosephPrice Just watch his Channel 4 Interview and the GQ Interview.... They got 100 million views between them. They are a masterclass in dismantling this woke nonsense. Nothing sits above that. He was the first, the fastest and the most brutal in showing us what was about to happen!
As a Canadian, thank you for speaking about this
as a fellow Canadian, we should all be calling these CPO libtards and let them know we support their brilliant member JORDAN PETERSON!
@@christophergrant3887 go sleep Christopher stay in matrix
@@christophergrant3887 They should work to maintain the integrity of their respective domains, however they shouldn't interfere in the realm of politics.
@@christophergrant3887 You are the one who seems to have missed the point of the movie... entirely! What the COP is trying to do to Prof. Peterson is exactly what the agents of the system tried to do to Neo, Morpheus _et al_ !
@@christophergrant3887 I'm just curious, could you explain why they exist exactly and could you describe why dr grande doesn't know what hes talking about? I'm not a professional in the field, but I think that dr grande, as a licensed counselor in the field of mental health, knows what those licensing boards are there for and how they work. A quick research about the College of Psychologists of Ontario also reveals that they carry out the functions mentioned in the video.
Wow just stumbled on this channel. What a great example of how little is required to produce a successful and interesting channel. Just an intelligent well-spoken host with a camera and a microphone. The way each topic is simplified and calmly explained makes every point so easy to follow and understand, the ridiculously calming voice sure doesnt hurt either.
Great job. Really enjoy the content.
So glad you've found this marvelous corner of UA-cam! But I'll have you know there's more than just a camera and microphone sharing this intelligent space. Those cactuses have lore, and there used to be bricks! 😝🍍
Keep listening - his dry humor will catch you off guard
@@PFMediaServicesI gotta admit....that may be the nicest decorative cactus display I've ever seen.
No, what it shows is how very easy it is to dupe poorly educated people into perceiving you as intelligent and well spoken.
"There is no political belief requirement to be a mental health professional, and if one was ever imposed, the mental health professions would be annihilated in an instant" - Dr. Todd Grande
Hellah!
Peterson goes beyond merely discussing his political opinions to blatantly lying about both Canadian law and gender affirming healthcare. He is free to be as uncivil as he wishes, but spreading falsehoods brings his profession into disrepute.
@rachaelk.3822 Nonsense. There are zero reasons here as to why his ability to practise should be revoked, despite whether you disagree with him or not. Literally the whole basis for the complaints in the 12 lawsuits are politically motivated!
I.e., criticise Justin Trudeau? Point out some inconsistency in climate change policy? Well we'll take your license away. That's the extent of this.
None of the complaints levied against him were even clients past or present.
If you want to actually be specific regarding the laws/policy in question go and do it! Otherwise understand where this desire to remove him is predicated upon. In other words, there is no basis for this bullshit.
@@rachaelikwhat laws are Peterson lying about?
It's not about beliefs (that's a strawman argument.
It's about being a nut and hurting the image of psychologists. But he is still free to look like a nut on his own time by leaving out the 'Dr' on his tweeting account.
When you take someone's tongue, your not scared the person is wrong, but afraid of the word's they speak.
@Christopher Grant you have the right to speak your words, it's others choice to feel offended. Give everyone the same right and choice.
It's called freedom of speech.
A organisation which can be influenced by political views of a ruling government.
No one is taking anyone's tongue. They might remove his accreditation, that's it, then he can speak all he wants as a non accredited person.
"if only they had some mental health training, maybe they would had fared better" comedy gold
😂 I lol'd at that part as well
J.C. Denton comments on the board members: "Just another parasite"!
Glad you took time for this. It's not just Dr. Peterson, all people are at risk of losing their livelihood if this censorship continues.
You are priceless. Thank you for your clear thinking on all subjects you cover.
I really don’t like that people will abuse their power to destroy the lives of people they just don’t agree with.
Like Jordan Peterson?
@@harmonynelson2141 JP is always shouting to ruin woman, uses horrendous adjectives and outdated statistics when this woman are studied, healthy working woman.
I think the worse part isn't that they abuse their power its that they feel obligated and entitled to do so. Most people who snitch or rat on somebody do quietly and covertly but the woke people expect a Congressional medal of Honor for doing it.
Lots of angry Karen’s and Kens these days. JP should not have been judged by non- clients opinions at all. That is just horribly stupid behavior. No licensed professional in any field should be judged by
Persons not involved personally. Stop! Hope the Board all lose their credibility and right to an opinion. Take them to court JP.
@@TecOneself No, he isn't shouting to ruin women, you must interpret differently English used by people who are either conservative or are connected to them in some way. When you hear the left you hear: "love love love", when you hear the right you hear: "hate hate hate".
Diagnosis: your hearing is damaged, your brain is brainwashed, emotions over logic and facts. Plus you put words into people's mouths they've never said/used.
Treatment: stop listening only to 3 groups: mainstream media, the government and the bubble your in (forums/videos that only have opinions close to yours), start listening to moderates and conservatives too.
I bet ya you couldn't find the video, where JP is "ruining women", must have mistook him for Andrew Tate.
"Ruining women" also depends on your interpretation - if you hate traditional roles, then sure, of course you will hate the guy, or even the nuclear family, then we won't see eye to eye. You hate women who like traditional roles too, and that's a problem, because it's their choice, not yours to decide. Just like with religion, you don't want it shoved down your throat, said women don't want your "f all and do whatever you want" opinion shoved down their throat.
A member of my family is in the field. They are terrified of expressing any opinion for fear of putting their license in jeopardy. No freedom of speech allowed!
Why is that? I’m a physician and express myself freely without fear of retaliation. In the office setting, I remain professional. Is that what they’re referring to?
Not speaking up is what got us here!
Everyone needs to have some balls. You only live once and we all have to answer to God on judgment day. Jordan is standing up in public just like Christ did.
@@doctorshell7118 Are you a physician in California? In that case your free expressions may well bring retaliation by new law.
That's not what freedom of speech is, jfc
"I think these CPO members might find themselves a bit... outclassed during any public adversarial interaction with Jordan" I dont know why but this made me laugh
What is funny is often true.
@@yossarian1633 Definitely. I can literally picture how Peterson schools the entire board. Sadly I don't think his eloquence and his wit are going to help him in that situation, they're probably going to take his license.
Only if you're and idiot he buys in double talk and lies. We have Google now. Check his facts
That's what he intended
It made me laugh for a very different reason. In extemporaneous discussion, Peterson is as intellectually defenseless as a limbless infant on a busy freeway. The notion that anyone remotely competent is going to be outclassed by him is risible.
This was a great video! I am pursuing my Psy D so I was interested in hearing your opinion on this. Thank you for the insight it’s one of those “you think about it but can’t talk about it” topics because your afraid of consequences. Very much appreciate your channel
Dr. Grande, I work in code enforcement for a professional mental health board. Great summary on the topic. A case like this should not make it past intake.
Since JP is being mistreated by this board can he seek a legal remedy? Just wondering what a person's recourse is when things like this go horribly wrong. I have a license in my field and I would be furious if people I've never had dealings with could complain about me and I could lose my license.
@@petrasworld913Well first off, social media cases are a nightmare. They can be very nuanced, due to rights of free speech and the role of the entertainer. Opinion and personal bias can impact case analysis greatly here, as I've witnessed. He could appeal if the outcome is not to his favor, if available. Probably already has a lawyer, which will increase a favorable outcome. If lost, there's most likely a lul before reapplying is possible. Every licensure board is different. Ultimately, the role of boards is to protect the consumer and keep standardized practice. Regulating people's opinions is a slippery slope. As long as his clients aren't complaining and he's not stealing insurance $$$, his social media role shouldn't really matter.
Do you really think JP would be fit to be a therapist after public attacks he’s made on and to individual trans people?
@@graceomalley4 Are they clients receiving services directly from him in a clinical setting?
@@heraprince no entirely sure what you are asking. Could you rephrase please?
I disagree with many of Dr. Peterson's "social" viewpoints. However, how would I know to disagree without hearing his side. We all lose without free speech. Thank you for your assessment and opinion Dr. Grande.
How is it ‘free speech’ to abuse trans people?
Great comment
Agreed 💯%
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It is not “free speech” in Canada.
In Canada everyone is “guaranteed freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression” within section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Brilliant analysis of the topic, and EXACTLY what i was looking for when trying to get educated on what was happening with J.P.
@@vivienneb6199 youve gotta be joking right... this had to be the most unbiased analysis of the topic.. lmao
@@vivienneb6199 The argument could be made that the board was also paid off or otherwise coerced to tarnish a good man’s name to try and discredit his ideas…
You know…ACTUAL ad hominem.
@@vivienneb6199 “It seems to me that he has been paid, one way or another.”
You mean like that allegation without any substantiating facts?
Professional boards taking political positions is a very disturbing and recent trend. Its also happening in many other professions.
Aside from the actions of any individual, they really are visibly and publicly undermining the professions that they claim to represent. Medicine has been an absolute scandal during the last few years, but its true in many other professions, too.
Yup.
There is exactly nothing recent, political, or disturbing about the board's actions. You have no idea what you're on about.
What is your education?
@@danhelwig Nope. Not even close.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 What was the piece of misinformation about psychology or unethical behaviour towards a patient that got Peterson in trouble? None.
The reason they took his license is 100% political. The anonymous complaints about him were because of comments on a fat model on Twitter and political takes on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Jordan publicly diagnoses people... He call Trudeau a narcissist just today, and he's done it many times to others he hasn't met.
"If only they had mental health training, they would've fared better." I cackled so hard! 😆
Yes. THAT is the state of our world: the Insane psychopaths & sociopaths reign over the peasants, the unworthy.
And Dr Grande asserting it with a straight face😄
@@peg2 ikr, that is his Super Power! But sometimes he barely holds it together. When l see that it always takes me out, lol. 🤣🤣
It was a cheap shot. I've been through ethics training and I can tell you that Peterson has walked a very thin line for a very long time. Everyone with a license knows to be careful with their social media presence and to be careful not to blur the lines. Peterson uses his professional credentials to add credibility to his personal statements and political views. Most of us were smart enough to realize what he was doing. No surprise at all that the groups he targeted and maligned filed complaints against him
You lowly coward LOL, he's misusing his academic and career status to progress his personal and selfish opinions. There's nothing good about that. That's actually a bad person thing. In some accredited schools of thought, that's the spirit of criminality. Who are you? Criminal?
“And…once in a while…something about mental health”
😂 I see through your sarcasm Doc Grande!
@@noorzanayasmin1364 IMO. it's all mental health. Seems the world is going crazy now with all the complaining and belly aching over what other people think and do. Cancel culture and gender confusion----what's next?
There are a lot of videos of his classes while in session, all mental health.
That was a low blow, everything JP shares is based on his own understanding of the psychological forces at play and he can point out to the literature supporting his view.
Dr Grande might be feeling a little small, in my opinion. And l am not a fan of Dr Peterson, but in all fairness, that was a bitter low blow unsupported by evidence.
You lowly coward, he's misusing his academic and career status to progress his personal and selfish opinions. There's nothing good about that. That is actually a bad person thing. In some accredited schools of thought, that's the spirit of criminality. Who are you? Criminal?
@Moon Beam I've noticed that his Grande's bias has been creeping in stradily over the last few months. little jabs like this are fine but we'll see if it's more blatant as time goes by.
Well, this is without a doubt the finest video you have produced, imo. And I've watched scores upon scores of them. Thank you for ALL your thought provoking work !!!
I agree. I thought this was Dr. Grande's best video.
I love your truthfulness and direct clear minded approach. Thank you!
Yes
Thank you for bringing attention to this issue and for speaking up in defense of licensed professionals.
yes. more voices are needed for this insanity.
Agreed
@@barbtheresa5693 to many voices is a sign of insanity
@@yyxy.oncesaid but silencing voices is not going to help either
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It's also a form of tyranny.
It’s going to be fun watching how this plays out when Jordan refuses and requests a legal hearing
@@user-account-not-found whatever floats his boat. Still will be fun to watch.
He should take the retraining and broadcast it to the world. Make them famous
I can tell you precisely how it will work out. Jordan will do everything in his power to keep this going and drag it into the spotlight so that he can hem and haw about how badly conservatives are victimized and the cultural marxists are out to get us and that he’s a victim of a fascist state…etc etc His audience will eat it up.
@@gregkirk1842 I agree he should have just kept quiet about it though and secretly filmed it. The youtube views alone would be worth it.
Not too fun for Peterson, I suspect.
Well said. A license from that board is in danger of becoming ethically worthless because of the actions of its members. Who can demand they be re educated?
It is called State sponsored terrorism.
@@danhelwig Um no. It's exactly the sort of professional freedom of boards over workers that conservatives fought hard to achieve. You're welcome!
Thanks for your clarification on the subject! Well put!
You are heck of a man with tremendous amount of courage. And a dash of unexpected humor.
Always a sense of humour!
Quite the recipe for a perfect cake
A "dash"? Dr G always has me laughing throughout.
Agree
And a pinch of shade 💅
"Once in a while something connected to mental health" 🤣🤣😂
Very informative, balanced & professional. Thank you.
Dr Grande, as always you are right on! Your thinking is clear and astute and totally enjoyable! Thank you and keep up the good work
It's like we've fallen into an episode of Monty Python. Dr Grande called this one right. I get the impression from his first video on JP that Dr Grande is not a fan, so it's to Dr Grande's credit that he made his trademark fair and unbiased comments. The world would love to see the recording of JP before the Board, slowly roasting them and putting a spotlight on their idiocy.
Grande is just slightly skeptical of Jordan's philosophical greatness, and reported 150 IQ. I prefer Grande although some of Todd's comments seem to indicate he needs more philosophy reading.
@@JoanWhackTheNPC Well said.
@@todeskult2818 Oh calm yourself. Grande is a great resource for psychology, just don't expect the same depth when moving to other subjects. Grande was skeptical about Peterson, if you go back you'll see it. Anyhow I know you won't let anything another adult says get in the way of your two heroes. Enjoy.
@@todeskult2818 you do know that popularity has absolutely no bearing on TRUTH... it is a logical fallacy...
Instead of the Ministry of Silly Walks in Monty Python, the CPO board members are recruited based on their talk and have formed the Ministry of Silly Talks 😁
Don't even get me started on the politicization of the river boat captain licensing board.
You lowly coward, he's misusing his academic and career status to progress, his personal and selfish opinions. There's nothing good about that. That's actually a bad person thing. In some accredited schools of thought, that's the spirit of criminality. Who are you? Criminal?
Best comment ever!!!
Humour is mankind's best attributes - thanks for the laugh. Perhaps it is the one thing that truly separates us from other animls?
Kudos to you Dr Grande, that was perfect! Thank you!
Very thoughtful analysis, hopefully the board will reflect on their claims and negotiate a way out, which at this point should be an apology.
The board has exactly nothing to apologize for.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 agreed. It’s long overdue.
More than an apology. Punishment should fit the crime. Or compensation should fit the damages.
Unlikely for a group of corrupt members who can’t appropriately handle their emotions.
@@peripheralparadox4218 who?
It seems that government entities cracking down on free speech, under the guise of protecting the public, is becoming increasingly widespread. It is almost like they are taking plans from company playbooks, but instead of saying "you chose to speak on our platform, so you must only speak as we permit" it seems that the game has become "you chose to get a license, which we govern, so you will only speak in-step with The Message."
@@mitthenstein4811 what... are you saying...
@Mitthenstein Transphobia? 🤣🤣🤣 No one cares about those confused and whiny "things." This is why people love Jordan Peterson.
@@christophergrant3887 I think you are conflating the need for professional oversight institutions and the desire to control opinion speech.
@@christophergrant3887 forgive me, I'm in the United States where freedom of speech is right number 1, also written in blood and suffering
@@mitthenstein4811 all of that aside (I don't care what he thinks of Elon Musk), Dr. Peterson boldly represents a sizable part of society, for better or worse, like it or not. He isn't an outlier with fringe ideas. Millions of people agree with him, in whole or in part, and those millions deserve a voice. If you don't like what he has to say, then debate him point for point (please, not in comments...), and see if you can gather a substantial enough following to matter (no offense intended, my opinions rarely matter either, if ever).
Nothing but respect towards Dr Peterson and you Dr Grande.
❤
“Respect for Dr. Peterson?” 🤦🏻♀️ Do you see the shit he tweets on the daily? That dude needs help.
A superior analysis of this unfortunate situation, Dr. Grande!
I used to have a marriage therapist who yelled at his wife all the time when I was at his house. Somehow he was still licensed.
Was his name Dr Phil McGraw? If so he lost his licence in the 1990's as part of a plea deal to avoid incarceration after being found guilty of having an inappropriate relationship with a client. He has a long history of spousal abuse.
@@harryricochet8134 He also wrote a book on dieting, pretty good for someone evidently overweight.
She deserved it and liked it
You can’t lose your license for yelling at your wife. If anything they send you to an ethical training class. Lol
I hope you and your husband bonded in the car over how crazy he was lol
JBP needs to go in there and attend the "training", taking notes of the material to educate the rest of us on whatever nonsense is being promoted.
I think that should be his condition: "I'll pay for my "RE-EDUCATION" as long as I can film you while you show the world your professional TRANSPARENCY!" JP will become even RICHER!
@@MsElke11as fun as that sounds, his contention is that he hasn’t, which by any reasonable standard he has not. In their twisted minds, it’s not the case, but most of all they are trying to force addition that he has broken a reasonable standard just by attending.
I wish.
@Christopher Grant That's something meant for patients, yes. Outside of that, no, there aren't actually limits of conduct like this (assuming you aren't working within a particular organization... like a business, not those providing the license, hope that's obvious).
I thought this too. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so sickening.
Your fair analysis is always impressive. If only even a few more people were as inciteful as you are, the world would be a better place. Great conclusion.and hilarious.
Interesting spelling of 'insightful!' lol
Taht's 'insightful', most definitely not 'inciteful' lol
Well thought out and tactful with your words, an excellent assessment.
That was a superb video Dr. Grande, absolutely spot on!
The board isn't trying to silence him, but discredit him.
BINGO
Which can be argued as being a justifiable use of the board's power if such a big influencer had been using their accreditation to spread falsehoods.
And he needs to be silenced, he is a quack
@@mikemhzyeah people keep d riding influencers and acting as if institutions aren’t made up of people as well. And an institution has the right to divorce themselves from alumni if there is no longer brand or intellectual synergy.
lmao his trans views match up with nazis soo
"like a Capitol guard telling Donald trump how to facilitate an insurrection"; I haven't laughed out loud as loud as I have in the way elicited by this line in possibly a decade. your delivery, sir, was brilliant. my wife had to come in from the other room and inquire as to "what is happening in there?!"
This is probably the calmest, straight forward analysis of this terrible situation! Thank you for keeping your wits about you and explaining your position!
Wow you did the whole thing without saying cancelation, cancel culture, woke, wokism or any other trigger words! Nice work Dr grande!
Truth!
Good, finally somebody who uses terms like a PhD. Not some political bs.
Cancelation, cancel culture, woke, wokism and some other trigger words I can't think of right now. There. I went where no Dr. Grande dared to go...
I need more info on this before making a final judgement including what all the complaints were about Peterson.
But if Peterson is being silenced by the govt what do they want him silenced for? What’s the concern?
@@jtem9313 I'm not saying that all the words aren't 100 percent appropriate in the analysis of the situation... Most psychological associations and boards these days are totally captured by the ideologies Peterson speaks out against. Dr G just reframed it as abuse of power for speech and thought control.
The funny thing about this is that despite it is unfair and ridiculous, it will just generate more popularity to JP. And actually, he really doesn't need anymore any license to impress the world with his enormous intelligence.
so much simping it's almost unbearable haha
@@CodeLife_12 Believe they were being sarcastic when typing "enormous intelligence."( Same idea being "you have to have a high iq to watch Rick and Morty.)
Or facetious at least. If it is aimed at his vocal minority who make being a JBP fan embarrassing I salute the sentiment. (He speaks about how important it is to avoid becoming resentful... yet he attracts a a good few disaffected men, especially white, so of course they will be resentful. Combine what modern day feminism says (3rd wave mainstream) and how easy it is to be alone as a guy 2day.
I ain’t simpiπ, the word Genius is overused and I hesitate to call him such; should be reserved for the likes of men on par w/ Tesla, Da Vinci, Marcus Aurelius, Bernini (best sculptor who lived breathed and pooped on this flat earth), and Kanye West + Kim Kardashian.:3
Does make me sad how people do loathe him, especially if they believe he uses word salads/says a lot while simultaneously saying very little; how he makes simple things complex/can’t provide simple answers.
Enormous intelligence... That's probably ironic, but people giving thumbs up really believe this. :D
@Christopher Grant Exactly. Plus Jordan almost non-stop says stuff that are completely unscientific. He is a clown.
@@ferrisbueller9991 Damn you think Kanye West is a genius? I'm sorry about that. Unless it is sarcasm? I hope so..
This video made me so happyyyyyyy....thank you...keep going
This was the most entertaining video of yours I think I've ever seen. Love it.
This remembers me how in the Soviet Union the so-called enemies of the state were also treated as having mental health problems. The Inquisition comparison also comes in handy.
Oh members of the Communist party used it even more, some of them would put their ex wiwes in mental institution just to punish them for being beautiful and to keep them away from their children. Monsters.
@@jelena7440 didn't know that. Horrible.
Well stated Paqui.
@@PaquiPaqui73 oh yes, happened in ex Yugoslavia. He declared her an alcoholic and unfit mother, she spent 20 years locked away. She was one of the most beautiful women in Belgrade, looked a lot like Briggite Bardo, her name was Beba Loncar. He made her give up parental rights at court. Awful disgusting people, communist.
Translation: whenever someone does something they don't like I'll compare them to other people I don't like because I can't make an actual argument.
Is a therapist supposed to tell people what to do and how to think? I thought that was the number one complaint about competent therapists, that they don't just tell you what to do.
Government interference in such an institution is crazy...but not something we could not have expected.
Brilliant analysis as usual ❤
They can try or actually take away Jordan Peterson’s professional license, but they can not take away the fact and idea that we already see him as “Jordan Peterson.”
@@griffincontracting Harris is another one bordering on contempt for me aswell. While not as dumb as Peterson dude has become a joke in the critical thinking department himself.
@@griffincontracting Sam who?
@@drummist515 yeah, riiiiight. You don't know who Sam Harris is.
I propose that you do know him and his annihilation of Peterson, but you see Peterson as some sort of guru or messiah and you cannot admit he was easily bested in a face-to-face debate by an intellectually superior foe.
we also see him as a benzo addicted pseudo intellectual.
@@griffincontracting
See above...
This is the exact thing he's trying to fight against. People using their power to suppress others because they have different opinions from their own. It's just a gross misuse of power and, terrifyingly, becoming very normal.
Nobody is suppressing anything, JP is free to say whatever he wants. But if he expressed bigoted views then he doesn't have the appropriate ethics to practice psychotherapy. You can't call transphobia just a "view" or "opinion". It's bigotry, and it has no place in providing an essential health service. It goes against the CPO code of ethics. Believe it or not, you really aren't allowed to hold unethical views and practice psychotherapy.
Since when has Jordan Peterson ever talked about personal responsibility for one's actions.
@@devinology7 LMAO
@@uanime1 Since always. Maybe you oughta watch some of his lectures.
@@devinology7 You can't call a view or opinion transphobia....
I always like your comments. Also love the green & purple backlights
Brilliant analysis, as always 👏🏽
It's very sad to think about the professionals who do not have a social status that JP has to defend themselves
Right! He’s standing in the gap for all. He’s using his clout to pave the way for us all. Thank God for his courage and honesty.
Exactly. Canada is using Peterson as an example for the other people who would not be able to bounce back after having their professional licenses revoked. “If we can do this to the most published and most followed psychologist in the world, imagine what we can do to you”. Reminds me of my parents’ days in the Soviet Union. Scary times indeed.
At 2 universities I attended the female professors would say things like a man cannot be raped by a woman he always likes it. Unbelievable shit like that. when I hope up as an assault survivor I was mocked. Lovely.
Haha, it's funny you say that when considering all the context, everything that is happening are just consequences of his actions. If you want to actively deny the plight of LGBTQ people, and children, especially in the field he's in, I think you should have your licenses taken no questions asked. He's harmed more people negatively through his rhetoric then he's ever helped in a professional light.
Those professionals you spoke about. Actually they do have a social status platform to defend themselves.
They just need to united with J.Peterson.
A Canadian researcher spoke of the “emergence of an ‘all-about-me’ attitude” in his country. Others feel that we live in a society in which self-indulgence outweighs responsibility and observe that people today are increasingly self-involved. In such a world, humility may not seem to have much to recommend it.
Peterson is not succesful because of "repeated involvement in controversy". He is succesful because he righfully voices his concerns and opinions about the way things are going, which many people agree with. He is a voice for many people who are not being heard enough.
i searched this video because i was interested to see what your take on jordan was. honestly didn't know what to expect. i'm glad i watched it, and i couldn't agree with you more. thanks!
I am never disappointed with Dr. Grande's take: calm, measured, collected. Thank you.
He must be summoned immediately to the official authoritative commissionary official board of dirtectors authority of all idustries (including riverboat pilots) for his misuse of all things relatied to public engagement, thoughts included for a hearing this instant.... to determine the validity of his license to practice psychology profressionally. It will be officially and publicly know and "the trial" by Franz something something
And he’s so humorous.
Glad you have put up a defense for freedom of speech and reasonable opinion, Dr Grande. I recall the shameful case of Lindsay Shepherd, teaching assistant at Wilfred Laurier University, subjected to an interrogation by a three member panel of inquiry for allegedly using inappropriate language before a class. Jordan Petersen got involved, and the professors were shamed, and Petersen sued the university.
I never heard about this case in the USA. But I just went and read a synopsis. Okay she played a clip of a debate about a Canadian law that was being passed. The debate showed positions for the bills and against the bill. She herself said I am neutral and want to hear your thoughts on the bill and the debate. A student told a counselor it made them uncomfortable. That's the point of discussing topics -to learn new things about topics that might be uncomfortable and maybe change your mind! I am glad she won the case, and I'm glad he did too! They both sued the school! She sued for hostile work environment and he sued for defamation.
You lowly coward, he's misusing his academic and career status to progress his personal and selfish opinions. There's nothing good about that. That's actually a bad person thing. In some accredited schools of thought, that's the spirit of criminality. Who are you? Criminal?
@BLACK JESUS Gosh, isn't that how psychoanalysis works more better?
THANKYOU , THAT EXPLAINS A LOT !
@BLACK JESUS His analytic work is private between him and his client. You may as well ask "do you see his liking of chess blending in with his psychoanalytic work."
Dr Grande has over 1.4m subscribers and has a platform to influence many people.However, to large extent he remains humble and maintains a courageous integrity. Whenever, my ego gets out of hand, I always come back to this amazing man for a dose of reality. You are a true diamond Dr Todd Grande
Glad to hear your analysis as an insider to mental health boards. Many people knew this action was highly political and personal.
In UK , *Covid restrictions* included an amendment to *mental health legislation* such that only one psychiatrist is required to sign off on the detention of someone under the Mental Health Act. In the UK, executing this piece of legislation - section 3 of the MH Act - is referred to *"sectioning"* and involves admitting someone to a psychiatric hospital. The key point is it is against the person's will. (Voluntary sectioning is known as Section 2). It was a little publicised amendment but with enormous potential for misuse.
Wow really? Do you have any link to this information? 😳
The provisions of Part two, Section 2 of the MHA 1983 does not facilitate a voluntary informal inpatient admission, but rather involuntary detention aka 'Sectioning'. Section 2 is to facilitate an assessment of the detainee's mental health for a period of time not exceeding 28 days. This may lead to further detention subject to Section 3 for the purpose of treatment of a diagnosed medical MH condition or conditions. That is not to say that treatment cannot occur under S2 however certain requirements have to be met.
The UK is so criss-crossed with checks and double-checks that there's practically no room for abuse. Speeds up the process and gets dangerous people off the streets quicker
Wow! A tremendous amount of pier in one persons hands can literally condemn the stable and innocent to lock-up. Shocking there is no panel of 3 minimum and a private hearing with judge of equal or greater degree in the same field. What is happening to our worlds
@@ninajanson8097 Claim you.
Todd, I really have to hand it you for being clearly objective in your analysis of Dr. Peterson. You have not allowed your personal biases to cloud you judgment here. I am proud of you for this. As always, your bone dry Witt is also greatly appreciated. Thank you for keeping your channel open and honest.
Well said Dr. Grande. I just watched a long Dr. Peterson video "Detransition: The Wounds that Won't Heal | Chloe Cole". Jordan seemed knowledgeable and articulate in his video as he interviewed an 18 year old young lady who had started to transition to a boy around age 13, had a double mastectomy at age 15, and then found she deeply regretted what she had agreed to and felt at her early teens she did not have the ability to comprehend the details, ramifications and consequences of transitioning."
That video was very enlightening when it came to how the medical professionals deal with youngsters with gender dysphoria. Or should I say "misdeal" or mishandled. I did find Dr. Petersons concerns about threats against those who do not follow the current popular trends among medical and psychological professionals who encourage youngsters to transition, especially with a lack of long term studies to understand the affects and risks of transitioning. His criticisms against the medial professionals with this trend were very valid. I can see how those in the regulation role who disagree with someone's politics which genders issues would feel threatened by such video's which expose the mishandling and unethical ways which young children who display gender dysphoria are treated. I agreed with Dr. Petersons comments in this regard from the long video with Chloe Cole. I'm not surprised at all in this dystopian world that he is getting some major pushback or being threatened. I do hope logic and commons sense eventually prevail..
Thank you for your integrity regarding this. It's easy to join the mob and turn a blind eye to wrong doing because it's politically convenient. It's not easy to speak up, and many people forget that if they don't, they will be next.
Thank you for this. The clearest, most trustworthy summary / analysis of this ridiculous "controversy" to date: Sanity and empiricism shouldn't have to be heroic, but in this case you're a hero.
A word of caution. Dr Grande described the American structure of oversight.
The CPO is not a government licensing organization and is not overseen by the government (at either the provincial or federal level).
In Canada professions are regulated at the provincial level and are self regulating, which means that they are separate from and not overseen by the government, unlike what Dr Grande described.
Excellent
Translation: it's correct because it told me what I wanted to hear.
I know what they're going is wrong. Whatever the CPO does and however it operates, they should cut it out.
Have you ever considered going on his podcast? It seems like you and him have a decent amount of common ground, but also enough disagreements to make the conversation interesting. I'd pay money to see you both have a debate/conversation about pretty much any topic.
Would definitely want to see that.
It would be a huge waste of time for Dr. Grande. He doesn’t want to attract right-wing bigots to his following.
Debates are not competitions to bamboozle someone. Those who find this powerful love Peterson and pretend to know what he is talking about.
@@ALT-vz3jn totally agree
@@ALT-vz3jn if that were true then the 'right wing bigots' could probably learn something from Dr Grande...if you want to have a positive influence on the world you have to get through to those people, not write them off and keep preaching to the choir....
Well done!!
Learning so much from you Dr Grande. THANKYOU.
I didn't really expect this but I thought you did it justice and helped me think more about it. thanks.
You lowly coward, he's misusing his academic and career status to progress his personal, and selfish opinions. There's nothing good about that. That's actually a bad person thing. In some accredited schools of thought, that's the spirit of criminality. Who are you? Criminal?
I am no fan of Jordan Peterson, and in fact, disagree with him on a variety of topics. That said, I agree with your assessment entirely, Dr. Grande. This video was well thought out, logical, fair, and thought provoking. In sum, excellent work. I consider this video Tweet worthy. Thank you for all you do.
Should've missed out the first sentence. No one needs to know.
@@laurastuart3814 She has the right to her opinion and she is showing that you can disagree with someone and still support their freedom of speech.
What do you disagree with him on?
Exactly, it's not about whether you agree with JP or not, it's about the abuse of power. The governing bodies that oversees licensing for psychiatrists and all kinds of professionals are there to protect the public and the profession. Weaponizing the system against your political opponents is intolerable.
@@Catlily5 you're probably a trans bathroom activist 😭😭😭😭😭🤬🤬🤬🤬
Hallelujah Grande! You hit it out of the park. Thank you.
I love this video Dr Grande, your ability to give clear facts, analysis and summarise is just so brilliant ❤thank you
Hi 👋
Thanks for your insight 👍 love hearing these discussions!
This will totally backfire for them. Their licenses will loose all credibility
Worse, the foundations of their institution.
I agree. Jordan could probably teach them.
People like his attackers never loose. If only because their victims lack support
Given that the law is vague expect Peterson to lose and lose badly.
Ha, no, they won't. It doesn't work that way, they are the only legally sanctioned body to regulate the profession. You aren't legally allowed to practice without licensing. This will not change because of one controversial case.
I find your intellectual analyzis always beeing to the point and refreshing. Thank you!
Well done!
Jordan stated the initial misconduct was about him twisting his wedding ring on his finger. The client said he was hitting on her by doing so
That would be weird because I could potentially see that if a woman does it because you could infer she's hiding the diamond but men's wedding rings are just the same design all the way around.
FFS
Source?
THANK YOU FOR THIS CLEAR BREAKDOWN. 🙏 👏 Always enjoy your work
This is so common, although in a very much smaller way in Academia. I thank the universe for your insights, Dr Grande.
We know what the first complaints were about.
One of his client told him she was in love with him. Then he went with his wife to her workplace, a restaurant where she served and she thought probably rightly that he did to embarrass her.
The other reason is because he stopped taking client's calls because he was busy promoting his book and gave those calls I think to his wife, which broke confidentiality requirements and of course meant he was not there if there was an emergency or just give the service.
Otherwise I think there is more to it than you portray. If it was like you say I would agree, but If all professionals start acting like he does, they probably should be banned altogether.
You have never been more on point. Nice video once again doc
Well! Yes he has in most all of his work!
Bravo, Dr. Grande. I'm not a huge fan of Peterson but I find this possible revocation to be chilling and Orwellian.
It certain shadows Orwell’s 1984
We need that kind of support for Peterson. He has a huge fanbase, but I esp. respect more neutral parties that care about what is right, rather than just who they support in all things. This is crazy.
@@sylviaowega3839 Not as much as Republicans trying to erase history from the classroom.
Oh please, he isn't the first or last therapist to lose his license for saying dumb shit. To even suggest this is Orwellian is hyperbole.
If you drink a fifth of vodka and drive down the wrong side of the road, you lose your drivers license. There is nothing Orwellian about it.
Well Done! Thank You.
Loved this one!
Great episode Dr. grande. Thank you for encouraging people to “think”.👍
Jordan Peterson is not being "cancelled". he's being disciplined for being an angry, whiny little baby whose constantly arguing with and insulting people on Twitter. The man is in his 60's but has the emotional maturity of a five year old.
I totally agree with you on this. Ridiculous is putting it mildly. I don’t even know of this man and this burns me up. Again, a government board trying to step in where it is not welcome or even appropriate. Bravo Dr. Grande. Bravo.
Their targeting of Jordan Peterson is 💯 politically motivated.
Thank you for analysis!
Thank you for these thoughts. Well done.