The whole "don't prospect hug" thing fails to recognize the guys who teams refused to part ways with. Houston's "quiet" deadline failed to get Sonny Gray or Yu Darvish mainly because they refused to part ways with guys like Kyle Tucker and Yordan Alvarez. Instead, they found a more cost efficient option in Verlander (who clearly turned out to also be the best option by far). The Dodgers also consistently refuse to empty the farm despite being a big market team that can afford to pay a ton of superstars. Calhoun was the top guy they traded, but refused to leverage Verdugo, Beuhler, and Lux. The takeaway shouldn't be "always trade your prospects" nor should it be "never trade your prospects"; rather, it should be "treat your prospects like the assets they truly are." If the Dodgers were going to give up a guy like Verdugo or Keibert Ruiz in a deal, they better be getting guys like Mookie Betts, Max Scherzer, and Trea Turner. Fans want to trade guys just to trade guys, but the minor league players that you don't know about often have equal value to the Major League players you know. It's not biased "prospect hugging", it's part of the business.
Prospect hugging are teams that are reluctant to trade for players without giving up anything of value in return. Some prospects are backlogged and won’t have a starting role on the team and at some point you’ll have to trade players like that. Prospects can also get hurt or fail in the majors so they aren’t as guaranteed as MLB ready players.
This is REALLY well said. I'll tip my cap to you. As an aside, the thing that really got me into baseball was a simulator called Out of the Park. You can either be a Manager or a GM, but not actually play as the players. Given your understanding of how trades work, you seem like someone who would love it.
JD Martinez was so damn good 2017-2019. One of the best second half acquisitions with 29 Home runs in 62 games for AZ and whats crazy is he was one of the last free agents to sign before the 2018 season going on to hit 43 home runs ,130 rbis and become a key member for one of the best championship teams in mlb history.
@@YoureNotReet Mannywood! Good comparison. Manny had 17 home runs and 53 rbis after the trade deadline in 2008 in 53 games. His average was .396 and ops was 1.232!
Quick note for 14:00 AJ Alexy, one of the returns for the Darvish deal has bounced between AAA and MLB in 21&22. Hasn't been all too good as a starter and the rangers are transitioning him into a long relief pitcher
Teoscar Hernandez was blocked by a talented Houston outfield and was a bench player. But what really happened was he a MVP front runner Jose Altuve collided on a shallow pop fly to center field. Altuve got hurt and Hernandez got traded. Another player crashed into Altuve 2 seasons later and got traded
The hours putting into this video is absolutely insane... Great work. Then you have the presence of mind to look at situations(cap space, needs at position, place at standing...etc) at that moment instead of seeing it with 20-20 hindsight. Just an outstanding piece.
1. That is some CLEAN editing 2. I completely forgot the Mets got Drew Smith from the Duda trade. Thanks Rays! 3. Looking forward to the 2018 deadline video next. Arguably even crazier than '15 or '17. Lot of all star caliber talent moved
There should be a video on blockbuster trades that were expected to happen but didn't, such as how in 2019, everyone and their mother said there was going be a big Matt Boyd trade but it never happened. Everyone seems to have forgotten this as Boyd steadily declined after not being traded.
I didn't understand at the time why Jose Quintana was such a big name in 2017. Looking back at it, his stats at the time, and what the Cubs gave up, and yeah... it's no surprise the Cubs are where they are
@Sonic collections ps2 noises he shoved in the games in LA. Dodgers have a right to be mad about the cheating but this was a massive failure not giving the ball to a guy who will have a statue between Koufax and Vin Scully
@@bradtitsenpolo3931 Dodgers only have the right to be mad about cheating if they're madder at themselves. They had a billion dollar payroll and blew Game 2 and left 10+ runners on base in Game 7, after starting Darvish over Kershaw
Kershaw’s second greatest? I’m assuming you’re putting the Left Arm of God first, but what about Jackie Robinson and the Boys of Summer and Mike Piazza? Imo, Kershaw’s even better than Sandy anyways-if you’re only considering LA, then yeah I’d put him second to Piazza
I believe outside of a healthy Degrom, Treinen has the nastiest stuff in the league when’s he’s right Good video, channels like this made it an easy decision to ditch cable Also, the return my A’s got for Donaldson and Gray makes me sick to my stomach. The Gray deal I had some optimism, but the Donaldson deal was a bad trade at the time too. Here’s to hoping for better success rate from the Olson, Chapman, Bassitt, Manaea and soon to be Montas trades.
Just have to point out, the real reason Sonny Gray struggled in NY is because the Yankees had him using his terrible 4-seam fastball in a homer-friendly ballpark. That thing got demolished in NY, and the other changes to his pitch mix were also bad. Notably, as soon as he ended up with the Reds, his pitch mix went back to his prior standards and he became solid again.
2017 was the year I first started to truly get into baseball, and what I remember about this trade deadline was my Brewers trading with the Mets for Neil Walker. Really wished the Brewers kept him around. He was great.
This is great, but DEFINITELY not something to watch while dosing off! The amount of information covered is astounding! 😂👌 I feel like I need to pause and hand-write notes to keep up! 🤯 Now if I could just get you to compile a weekly update on all sports… I’d always be the most “in the know” person I know! 😂👌
Completely missed the best trade of that year when a 60-51 Cleveland team gave the Mets a prospect no one's heard of in Ryder Ryan for a month and a half of Jay Bruce after Lonnie Chisenhall was declared out for the season in Right Field. Two weeks after that Cleveland was 69-56, Three weeks and a Jay Bruce walkoff after that they were 91-56. At seasons end Cleveland was 102-60 and in possession of Homefield advantage for the postseason (which they promptly Blew). Cleveland was 42-9 with Jay Bruce in that lineup for 43 of their final 51 games...I've never seen a team respond so well to 1 addition like the Tribe did that year.
I remember that, what happened was I think the Rays were going to host the Yankees but the hurricane prevented them to play in Tampa - so the played at Citi Field because something was happening at Yankee Stadium
It’s all overhyped Yankees prospects at the end lol. Andujar and Frazier and Bird were hyped up too. Now they have Dominguez, Volpe etc. We’ll see how this next crop turns out. I’m a Jays fan btw lol
I hate the “don’t prospect hug” argument. No one prospect hugs. Owners clearly invest in minor league talent because not only is that the future of the organization, but they are all assets. It’s super shortsighted to ignore that. There’s minor leaguers right now that have more value than 70% of the league. Free agency and trades are there to round out/compliment your roster. But at the end of the day- your core is homegrown and they’re the ones that decide if you’re chip contenders.
@@HTX09 ohtani has a lower x era lower fip lower wip lower everthing but era bur verlsjder era is 1 point lower then his x era showing that he is getting lucky af
Ooooh that editing where the player clip shifts from old to new team is CLEEEAAANNNN
Nobody is allowed to lie this comment now
@@drewdawson9250 sounds good
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The whole "don't prospect hug" thing fails to recognize the guys who teams refused to part ways with. Houston's "quiet" deadline failed to get Sonny Gray or Yu Darvish mainly because they refused to part ways with guys like Kyle Tucker and Yordan Alvarez. Instead, they found a more cost efficient option in Verlander (who clearly turned out to also be the best option by far). The Dodgers also consistently refuse to empty the farm despite being a big market team that can afford to pay a ton of superstars. Calhoun was the top guy they traded, but refused to leverage Verdugo, Beuhler, and Lux. The takeaway shouldn't be "always trade your prospects" nor should it be "never trade your prospects"; rather, it should be "treat your prospects like the assets they truly are." If the Dodgers were going to give up a guy like Verdugo or Keibert Ruiz in a deal, they better be getting guys like Mookie Betts, Max Scherzer, and Trea Turner. Fans want to trade guys just to trade guys, but the minor league players that you don't know about often have equal value to the Major League players you know. It's not biased "prospect hugging", it's part of the business.
Prospect hugging are teams that are reluctant to trade for players without giving up anything of value in return. Some prospects are backlogged and won’t have a starting role on the team and at some point you’ll have to trade players like that. Prospects can also get hurt or fail in the majors so they aren’t as guaranteed as MLB ready players.
Yankee fans need to read this comment
@@xRestart yankees prospect hug
Astros absolutely fleeced my tigers in that jv trade, haunts me till this day
This is REALLY well said. I'll tip my cap to you.
As an aside, the thing that really got me into baseball was a simulator called Out of the Park. You can either be a Manager or a GM, but not actually play as the players. Given your understanding of how trades work, you seem like someone who would love it.
Liriano for Teoscar is a flair on the Jays subreddit, absolutely legendary trade.
JD Martinez was so damn good 2017-2019. One of the best second half acquisitions with 29 Home runs in 62 games for AZ and whats crazy is he was one of the last free agents to sign before the 2018 season going on to hit 43 home runs ,130 rbis and become a key member for one of the best championship teams in mlb history.
Yea he had an amazing year that year and his second half in Arizona was very manny-Ramirez-to-LA-esque.
@@YoureNotReet Mannywood! Good comparison. Manny had 17 home runs and 53 rbis after the trade deadline in 2008 in 53 games. His average was .396 and ops was 1.232!
Al Avila should be banned from ever making another trade
@@Karmy.
But he’s the same guy that brought JD in….?
The real problem you could argue is that they should have got more for him
@@warlordofbritannia that was Dombrowski but yeah they should've gotten more for him and pretty much every player Al has traded
Quick note for 14:00 AJ Alexy, one of the returns for the Darvish deal has bounced between AAA and MLB in 21&22. Hasn't been all too good as a starter and the rangers are transitioning him into a long relief pitcher
He’s mid asf
As a new fan to baseball I love these kind of videos. I can learn so much about the recent history of the game
Great Video!! What about Jay Bruce to the Indians on August 9? He was a big part of the 22-Straight Wins
@Sonic collections ps2 noises no one in Cleveland calls them the guardians lol
Your both wrong they are the Cleveland spiders
@Sonic collections ps2 noises that's their name. I don't care what anyone says.
OmG yOu CalLeD tHeM tHe InDiAnS?!
@Sonic collections ps2 noises
They were the Indians at the time tho
Love how you said that only Willie Calhoun was the only one who made it to the show…,. Don’t forget future CY YOUNG AWARD WINNING PITCHER AJ ALEXI
Teoscar Hernandez was blocked by a talented Houston outfield and was a bench player. But what really happened was he a MVP front runner Jose Altuve collided on a shallow pop fly to center field. Altuve got hurt and Hernandez got traded. Another player crashed into Altuve 2 seasons later and got traded
The hours putting into this video is absolutely insane... Great work. Then you have the presence of mind to look at situations(cap space, needs at position, place at standing...etc) at that moment instead of seeing it with 20-20 hindsight. Just an outstanding piece.
1. That is some CLEAN editing
2. I completely forgot the Mets got Drew Smith from the Duda trade. Thanks Rays!
3. Looking forward to the 2018 deadline video next. Arguably even crazier than '15 or '17. Lot of all star caliber talent moved
There should be a video on blockbuster trades that were expected to happen but didn't, such as how in 2019, everyone and their mother said there was going be a big Matt Boyd trade but it never happened. Everyone seems to have forgotten this as Boyd steadily declined after not being traded.
Arod trade to Boston that eventually went to the yankees
CLEAN edits! Thanks Jolly!
I am binge-watching your content dude, you are awesome! Hope you reach 100k
Love these videos! You should consider doing one for the Winter Meetings when the time comes as well!
Babe wake up there's a new Jolly Olive video!!!
I didn't understand at the time why Jose Quintana was such a big name in 2017. Looking back at it, his stats at the time, and what the Cubs gave up, and yeah... it's no surprise the Cubs are where they are
Interesting to see how these trades shaped where we are today. Good vid!
Just a reminder the dodgers chose to start Yu Darvish in game 7 over their 2nd greatest player in team history
He already pitched game 5. That would be only 2 days rest. Alex Wood would’ve been a good option to start.
Kershaw did throw game 7 he threw 4 innings of 2 hits and no runs so yes he would have been a better option if he started
@Sonic collections ps2 noises he shoved in the games in LA. Dodgers have a right to be mad about the cheating but this was a massive failure not giving the ball to a guy who will have a statue between Koufax and Vin Scully
@@bradtitsenpolo3931 Dodgers only have the right to be mad about cheating if they're madder at themselves. They had a billion dollar payroll and blew Game 2 and left 10+ runners on base in Game 7, after starting Darvish over Kershaw
Kershaw’s second greatest?
I’m assuming you’re putting the Left Arm of God first, but what about Jackie Robinson and the Boys of Summer and Mike Piazza?
Imo, Kershaw’s even better than Sandy anyways-if you’re only considering LA, then yeah I’d put him second to Piazza
I believe outside of a healthy Degrom, Treinen has the nastiest stuff in the league when’s he’s right
Good video, channels like this made it an easy decision to ditch cable
Also, the return my A’s got for Donaldson and Gray makes me sick to my stomach. The Gray deal I had some optimism, but the Donaldson deal was a bad trade at the time too. Here’s to hoping for better success rate from the Olson, Chapman, Bassitt, Manaea and soon to be Montas trades.
Just have to point out, the real reason Sonny Gray struggled in NY is because the Yankees had him using his terrible 4-seam fastball in a homer-friendly ballpark. That thing got demolished in NY, and the other changes to his pitch mix were also bad. Notably, as soon as he ended up with the Reds, his pitch mix went back to his prior standards and he became solid again.
i LOVE this series. I love trades
2017 was the year I first started to truly get into baseball, and what I remember about this trade deadline was my Brewers trading with the Mets for Neil Walker. Really wished the Brewers kept him around. He was great.
This is Gold, Thanks 🤘
I forgot how good your commentary is
I've been waiting for this
Nice video as always
Only real ones remember when Justin Verlander was left out of the og video.
Bro Gary and Keith are talking about you on the Mets broadcast!! If you didn’t already know lol
I’d love to see a video about the 2008 trade deadline. That one always stuck out to me as a kid
I still can’t believe Toronto turned Drew Hutchison and Liriano into 2x silver slugger, Teoscar Hernandez
You forgot about Joe Smith and Jay Bruce to Cleveland played huge parts in the 22 game winning streak in 2017
Didn’t Yu get lit up at home, in dodger stadium?
Hey jolly can you do trade trees? That would be sick!!
13:55 "wonder how that happened". Oh shut up. He lost both games at dodger stadium
I was looking for this comment. Mans got blasted in LA. Cant blame anyone else here
@@sanjaya.3420 I liked the video until he made that stupid comment
Game 3 was in Houston
MLB needs to bring back players weekend with uniforms like the 2017 ones
Yay u got verlander in the video the second time around!!!!
This is great, but DEFINITELY not something to watch while dosing off! The amount of information covered is astounding! 😂👌
I feel like I need to pause and hand-write notes to keep up! 🤯
Now if I could just get you to compile a weekly update on all sports… I’d always be the most “in the know” person I know! 😂👌
WOW I forgot Tony Watson played for the Dodgers!
The best trade of that year was at the Waiver Deadline when Verlander got dealt
Yea…as a Tigers fan, that Martinez trade blew my mind, the day it happened. Al Avila is reviled here.
Completely missed the best trade of that year when a 60-51 Cleveland team gave the Mets a prospect no one's heard of in Ryder Ryan for a month and a half of Jay Bruce after Lonnie Chisenhall was declared out for the season in Right Field.
Two weeks after that Cleveland was 69-56, Three weeks and a Jay Bruce walkoff after that they were 91-56. At seasons end Cleveland was 102-60 and in possession of Homefield advantage for the postseason (which they promptly Blew).
Cleveland was 42-9 with Jay Bruce in that lineup for 43 of their final 51 games...I've never seen a team respond so well to 1 addition like the Tribe did that year.
The fact the dodgers had Yordan and Oniel in their farm system and are still considered the top farm system in MLB is fucking crazy 😂
The real ones saw the original
I did
I did I was wondering why it was posted only 4 minutes ago
Dawg O'Neill was playing hurt and since his return has been mashing
2022: Let me introduce myself
Great video
I’m sorry was that the Yankees vs Rays at Citi Field????? 10:03
I remember that, what happened was I think the Rays were going to host the Yankees but the hurricane prevented them to play in Tampa - so the played at Citi Field because something was happening at Yankee Stadium
Wow what a haul for quintana
4:56 why were the Janks playing the Rays in Citi? Wut?
Idk if it was at the deadline but will Harris for yordan Astros and dodgers was that year
It’s all overhyped Yankees prospects at the end lol. Andujar and Frazier and Bird were hyped up too. Now they have Dominguez, Volpe etc. We’ll see how this next crop turns out. I’m a Jays fan btw lol
I can’t wait until next year’s 2018 Trade deadline because it’s my favorite year
What was your favorite trade that year?
@@chamo_tito The Red Sox getting Nathan Eovaldi, Ian Kinsler, and Steve Pearce
@@SONICX1027 those red sox were scaaaryyy
I sat through 2 ads now I have to listen to your sponsorship - sorry not willing to do this
Since this Hader got moved. Will Smith and odorizzi just swapped, Cards got Quintana. Yankees got montas, Mariners got Castillo. It's been a good one
Darvish got lit up beause he was tipping his pitches
As a cubs fan the quintana trade feels like I got shot to this day
4:46 why were the Yankees playing in Citi Field
O'neil Cruz, just like Roberto Clemente... Started as a Dodgers prospect, then go to the Pirates; the rest is history!
8:18 They traded for Garcia, giving up John Gant
Well ig we can say now things popped off 🤣
When the Yanks got Sonny Gray, I wasn’t impressed. I had a feeling he would struggle and I was right
Can you do a Chad Billingsley video?
i had no clue oneil cruz was a dodgers prospect oh my God
so was yordan and they traded him away to the astros 😂 and I am so glad they did. Couldn’t even imagine
It would be crazy if they were on that stacked team.
Verlander isn’t in the thumbnail?
I guess Yu Darvish wasn’t tipping his pitches and didn’t blow an elimination home game either
You forgot about Howie Kendrick
Why were the Yankees playing the rays at citi field 4:57
Rays home games were moved due to a hurricane
Ya, that Juan Soto trade is the biggest in recent history
i'm having deja vu
AJ Alex pitched in the majors for Texas in 2021 and 2022 Lol
Do you think MLB should change their rules to allow the trading of draft picks as well? I think it’s long overdue.
You can trade draft picks, it just doesn't happen
AJ Alexy has definitely made it to the show and still has promise
Reupload?????
No the last one was 2015 I think
1/2 season of Tony Watson for prospect O’Neil Cruz. My oh my, that makes me sick to my stomach lmao.
im sad as hell too
I hate the “don’t prospect hug” argument. No one prospect hugs. Owners clearly invest in minor league talent because not only is that the future of the organization, but they are all assets.
It’s super shortsighted to ignore that. There’s minor leaguers right now that have more value than 70% of the league.
Free agency and trades are there to round out/compliment your roster. But at the end of the day- your core is homegrown and they’re the ones that decide if you’re chip contenders.
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Wow. Not gonna lie the Tigers that season really got fleeced on all their trades.
When the dbacks traded for JD Martinez he went crazy! I Will never forget the 4 homer game against the dodgers!
Astros have enjoyed a good 2 seasons of Verlander. 5 years makes it sound like he was there for 3 of those.
Yeah, they only enjoyed an ALCS MVP, Cy Young winner, Cy Young runner-up, and possible Cy Young winner this year. Nothing big
@@brianbiekman8805 You sound like a salty Astros fan. The dude didn't even want to be with the team during his rehab. Houston is just a check for him.
@@brianbiekman8805 he is not even a better pitcher then ohtani this uewr
@@nicksatwr4538 Lmfao you're trippin. JV Is WAY better than Ohtani
@@HTX09 ohtani has a lower x era lower fip lower wip lower everthing but era bur verlsjder era is 1 point lower then his x era showing that he is getting lucky af
AJ Alexly has made a career start
AJ Alexy did make the show
have you done a prediction for the deadline coming up? 👀👀
Now…… Juan Soto
Imagine Cruz on the dodgers Jesus lol
The Show ‘17 was the last good release of the series.
Wasn't yordan traded for fields?
That’s was 2016. Funny because Fields got tattooed in the World Series by the Astros in LA. Lmao.
Eloy and Cease for Quintana makes me puke everytime I hear about it.
Gets blown by the Astros both at home and on the road. Cheating or not he got lit up
A jolly W
Ok so no Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez
Imo the 2017 season was the best in general
Worst trades ever for the Tigers, Al Avila has sets this team back a decade and they keep getting worse
2011 trade deadline was the greatest
14:04 A.j alexy has made the show. Great vid though
SERIOUSLY? You did a post-deadline trade, but not the Jay Bruce post-deadline trade? C'mon man.
Real ones saw the first video lol
Biased as a Cardinals fan, but I feel like the Cards won the Oneil Marco trade. ONeils regression is largely due to injury