The formula for a poly is always the same. They are extremely insistant about punctuality, and then you sit in a waiting room for an hour even though no-one comes or goes in the interim. It's always either uncomfortably hot or uncomfortably cold, but amazingly, the polygamer was prepared "oh, we're having some AC problems today", but yet they knew it in advance. They play some stupid game where you are supposed to say you have an appointment with "Poly" as if this is all some kind of secret. The chair is uncomfortable...basically the whole thing is designed to stress you out before you even get in the chair, because these are not lie detector tests, they are interrogations. The test itself is 100% subjective, so whether you pass or fail comes down to the polygamer, not you. They are not allowed in court, because their accuracy in controlled studies has been shown to be 50/50 - in other words completely useless. People who fail, are almost always those with active imaginations and guilt complexes...in other words the best potential employees. Since they are spoof-able, bad actors easily pass them.
Yes, this was the exact same thing as me. He started off very friendly, did a lot of explaining, but as the process went along, he became very skeptical. I felt as if he didn't believe what I was saying, and then my reasonings were seen as lies, especially for time and dates regarding certain questions. I'm not the most rememberable person and struggle with remembering times and dates, which became a significant problem despite feeling it wasn't that significant. We didn't even get to go over the actual polygraph test. All I did was go over the booklet, and we had to make amendments. The whole booklet took about three hours to go through, and we went over the same six questions repeatedly during that time. He would ask me why I hadn't already included certain information in the packet when I first took it, and I explained that I just wasn't thinking about it in that context. He didn't believe this and insisted that there must be another reason. Eventually, he forced me to say that it was because I was embarrassed about it, which wasn't true. I simply hadn't thought about it at the time. It felt like a battle for survival in my own mind because I didn't want to lie and give him the answer he wanted, but I also didn't want him to think I was lying. After those three hours of going over the booklet, he sent it over to HR, and now I'm waiting for an email. What's even more surprising is that I didn't even get hooked up to the polygraph machine, leading me to believe that I may be disqualified. I'm feeling mentally broken to the point where I was crying, and now I'm ashamed even to think about it. I'm only 20 years old and have never really done anything illegal or of that nature, so I just felt as if he didn't personally believe that I've never really done anything wrong. I did leave off one or two things from the booklet due to embarrassment, but I did tell him about them, and those things weren't necessarily anything significant. It's a deeply distressing experience, and I'm sorry for feeling ashamed about it now
@@CabreraPack If you decide to ever go through it again (and I strongly recommend you just look for a different line of work instead), read as much as you can about it first. Everything, even how to spoof it. I'm not suggesting that you spoof it, but the best way to get in and out quick, is to understand it all.
@@eventhisidistaken being a state trooper was my dream job. I didn’t even have anything to lie about as I’ve only experienced so much life in 20 years. I just wish I had read more before I went in there because I thought it was going to be more of an interview. It turned out to be an interrogation. I was not prepared for that.
Polygraph is a lot like Bladerunner 2042 when they do the baseline test. It can’t see if you are lying but they try to create a baseline and how far you deviate from that baseline based on questions given.
polygraphs are a complete pseudoscience. all they look for is abnormal reaction in your breathing and heart rate in comparison from the control questions to the relevant questions. they will act like your friend or your worst enemy no matter what you do never change your story from what you put in your background packet. all they want is for you to admit something. also to OP sad to see you didn’t take the offer, where i’m from our officers start out with 75k in the academy and then make over 80k upon grad. and that’s not even including bonuses and overtime, which there is no shortage of.
How can they tell the difference between feeling excited and stressed out? Everything in my life has always been fast paced, to include the way I speak, act or even think (sometimes even overthinking out of habit, not because I'm confused) so I'm wondering if this should be something to be concerned about or just let it happen. I have my polygraph next week!
Like I said, the best policy is to be honest. The more honest you are, the less stress you will feel. I'm sure they're used to dealing with people who are at least a little bit nervous; just make sure you pay close attention to the proctor's instructions.
Any officer should be able to handle this fine. If you are concerned about taking a polygraph you shouldn’t be protecting any community. I think they should make it even more intense
I took my polygraph today. First off- the most intense thing I did. I was so anxious and idk why. I think it’s because we are dealing with people of authority and that’s already nerve wrecking. Anyways- it was brutal but I told the truth. Towards the end my examiner said they had some discrepancies. I told the truth though. I use to drink heavy and I no longer do. I overthink everything and that causes me to get anxious. We’ll see- I really want this job. I don’t think I passed the polygraph though 😢 it’s in Gods hands. Edit: and yeah- they made me feel like I was a criminal and this awful person- it was insane
No- I failed it. And I told the truth the entire time. I was extremely anxious and did have a panic attack during it so that probably didn’t help. Oh well- I gave it a go. Going to continue going to college. Thinking nursing
Been interrogated in multiple occasions as a minor once upon a time so I’m a little rusty but not my first rodeo. You just have to mentally not give two fucks, the end.
I saw a job posting for the border patrol on LinkedIn and most of the comments were complaining about the polygraph and how it disqualifies many good candidates.
I recently went thru a polygraph with a PD, and I had the same experience as you in regards to the officer being friendly and kind then a switch flipped, he became aggressive and accusatory. I have 0 drug history except for friends and family and I dont think he believed that, said I had a reaction to a drug related question, he harped on it bad left the room a few times. Came back asked a couple other questions about drugs. I explained I had embarrassment that a family member is a pot head and my ex-husband was a drug addict that I found out about. He told me the test doesn't respond to embarrassment, and frankly at this point I have become frustrated that he or the machine didn't believe me, he left again came back in his calm tone he took the stuff off me. Asked if I felt the questions were fair, and if I was treated with respect. He said that I had until I walked out the door to answer the questions or explain to him the reaction he saw and I said I have no other answer I answered everything truthfully. He did not finish the whole packet ie- he did not ask me any of the sex/ pedophilia which makes me certain I did not pass because why would they not finish the packet? I have still not heard anything from that department, no pass/fall pulled from the process etc. How long was it until you heard anything?
It took only about a week to hear back. Honestly, I don't think those machines are as accurate as some think; I remember reading that some departments have stopped using them. Again, it's very much a mind game
Im taking a polygraph at the end of this week. Im both nervous and excited knowing after this I’m basically over the mountain. By the grace of god everything else has gone good for me. Going into it I know to remain truthful and firm on what I say and not let their interrogation tactics make me change my answer. If anyone else has any other advice please let me know.
Facts thats why i gave up with being a cop in new Jersey. Clean record, educated and i served received an honorable discharge but in jersey its who you know and how well can you kiss butt.
@@pokemon_john I used to work with a guy who was a class 1 for a summer and his hiring class was basically 1 Ex military which is what he was, 1 black male, 1 Latino woman, 1 white woman for the diversity quotas. And the woman were shocked to see they would be getting yelled at by superiors.
My son wants to be a police officer, he didn’t go straight from High School to apply but instead he went to college and got a degree in Criminal Justice 1st , he applied for 4 Departments , he scored high on the test and physical, there’s 30 applications that get selected for only 2 positions in NJ , it’s total BS that they need police officers , it’s all politics , they have in mind who they hire prior of the test, my opinion he’s wasting his time , he should have went with a different route.. A police officer’s salary is garbage unless you do plenty of overtime and put your life on the line .. Now I understand why officers quit law enforcement.. I’m not going to discourage anyone but my opinion isn’t worth it
I can agree with the criminal justice part. No offense to anyone who got a CJ major (my degree sucks too) but they're basically a scam. He could always get his BLET at a community college and work for a smaller department or a sheriff's office.
My polygraphs got angry and insisting on I did something what I did not ? Is it normal ? He did not tell me my results . And said he will send info to employer . Any idea how long does it take ? Any possibility of passing it or I am mercy of the polygrapher?
If you answered honestly, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I've heard about some erroneously failed tests, but those seem to be the exception and not the norm. It's normal for them to be aggressive; I've spoken to others who have taken polys and they had roughly similar experiences.
Hey bro did you ask yourself the same question in your head . Or was it different questions. I have a voice stress test coming up and I think I will use your technique. Just ask myself ( are you a women) which the answer will be no. Can I just keep using that same question for the answers that are a no answer?
I had took my poly today and actually failed due to inconclusive and deceptive readings when I was telling the truth , luckily I got to reschedule another test next week but I was nervous throughout the whole test, and advice to help me pass?
@@JRJ0306 they ask u a total of 10 questions, 2 questions they want u to lie, then 2 questions regarding if you told the truth during your criminal background? Did you tell the truth about drug use? Then it goes to another 2 questions they want you to lie on again , then followed up by 2 more questions , which u tell the truth on which is, are you telling the truth about your work history? Are you telling the truth about criminal history? It’s really simple but the questions they want you to tell the truth on, they repeat them about 4-6 times, the whole process is like 35 mins to an hour
You neither “passed” or “failed” the polygraph. It’s only a prop, incapable of actually getting truthful or deceptive results, the results are merely the opinion of your polygraph operator. Longest running scam practically on the public for over a 100 years now. Look into some Doug Williams videos where he explains the basics and BS of the industry. Best example I have viewed is an older 60 Minutes episode where Mr. Williams demonstrates to Diane Sawyer of how flawed and scandalous the polygraph industry is. The segment is titled “Truth and Consequences” 60 Minutes with Doug Williams.
If the proctor thinks you're lying, the longer it will take. Mine was about 4 hours, which seems about average based on what I've heard from other people.
@@ShawnSmith183 I don’t know if your familiar with Suffolk county NY but I was thinking of getting a fake before I go to college but I want to become a cop when I get out of college
I did but I accepted another job offer, which in hindsight I’m glad because it led me on a good career path. I respect the police, but they have a rough job and don’t get paid enough
@@ippothedestroyer The department I looked at didn’t pay all that much and it’s not even the safest city. But that is true in some places they make like 80k
Thats how you know its a sham. If they think you are lying and give you a deception ruling, then why would you be allowed to try again after X years have passed?
The formula for a poly is always the same. They are extremely insistant about punctuality, and then you sit in a waiting room for an hour even though no-one comes or goes in the interim. It's always either uncomfortably hot or uncomfortably cold, but amazingly, the polygamer was prepared "oh, we're having some AC problems today", but yet they knew it in advance. They play some stupid game where you are supposed to say you have an appointment with "Poly" as if this is all some kind of secret. The chair is uncomfortable...basically the whole thing is designed to stress you out before you even get in the chair, because these are not lie detector tests, they are interrogations. The test itself is 100% subjective, so whether you pass or fail comes down to the polygamer, not you. They are not allowed in court, because their accuracy in controlled studies has been shown to be 50/50 - in other words completely useless. People who fail, are almost always those with active imaginations and guilt complexes...in other words the best potential employees. Since they are spoof-able, bad actors easily pass them.
Yes, this was the exact same thing as me. He started off very friendly, did a lot of explaining, but as the process went along, he became very skeptical. I felt as if he didn't believe what I was saying, and then my reasonings were seen as lies, especially for time and dates regarding certain questions. I'm not the most rememberable person and struggle with remembering times and dates, which became a significant problem despite feeling it wasn't that significant. We didn't even get to go over the actual polygraph test. All I did was go over the booklet, and we had to make amendments. The whole booklet took about three hours to go through, and we went over the same six questions repeatedly during that time. He would ask me why I hadn't already included certain information in the packet when I first took it, and I explained that I just wasn't thinking about it in that context. He didn't believe this and insisted that there must be another reason. Eventually, he forced me to say that it was because I was embarrassed about it, which wasn't true. I simply hadn't thought about it at the time. It felt like a battle for survival in my own mind because I didn't want to lie and give him the answer he wanted, but I also didn't want him to think I was lying. After those three hours of going over the booklet, he sent it over to HR, and now I'm waiting for an email. What's even more surprising is that I didn't even get hooked up to the polygraph machine, leading me to believe that I may be disqualified. I'm feeling mentally broken to the point where I was crying, and now I'm ashamed even to think about it. I'm only 20 years old and have never really done anything illegal or of that nature, so I just felt as if he didn't personally believe that I've never really done anything wrong. I did leave off one or two things from the booklet due to embarrassment, but I did tell him about them, and those things weren't necessarily anything significant. It's a deeply distressing experience, and I'm sorry for feeling ashamed about it now
@@CabreraPack If you decide to ever go through it again (and I strongly recommend you just look for a different line of work instead), read as much as you can about it first. Everything, even how to spoof it. I'm not suggesting that you spoof it, but the best way to get in and out quick, is to understand it all.
Everyone here’s an idiot who has 0 clue how polygraph works
@@eventhisidistaken being a state trooper was my dream job. I didn’t even have anything to lie about as I’ve only experienced so much life in 20 years. I just wish I had read more before I went in there because I thought it was going to be more of an interview. It turned out to be an interrogation. I was not prepared for that.
@@CabreraPack Sorry man. These fake tests really do suck, and should probably be completely criminalized.
This video helped calm my nerves. Tomorrow May 25th I myself am taking the Polygraph test.
How was the written test? I’m taking mine the 25th
How did it go?
Polygraph is a lot like Bladerunner 2042 when they do the baseline test. It can’t see if you are lying but they try to create a baseline and how far you deviate from that baseline based on questions given.
polygraphs are a complete pseudoscience. all they look for is abnormal reaction in your breathing and heart rate in comparison from the control questions to the relevant questions. they will act like your friend or your worst enemy no matter what you do never change your story from what you put in your background packet. all they want is for you to admit something. also to OP sad to see you didn’t take the offer, where i’m from our officers start out with 75k in the academy and then make over 80k upon grad. and that’s not even including bonuses and overtime, which there is no shortage of.
Which department is that
@@ShawnSmith183 With LE or other career?
Where do you live? I’m moving there right now
@@jahnairb8593 take your pick of basically any department in coastal socal.
How can they tell the difference between feeling excited and stressed out? Everything in my life has always been fast paced, to include the way I speak, act or even think (sometimes even overthinking out of habit, not because I'm confused) so I'm wondering if this should be something to be concerned about or just let it happen. I have my polygraph next week!
Like I said, the best policy is to be honest. The more honest you are, the less stress you will feel. I'm sure they're used to dealing with people who are at least a little bit nervous; just make sure you pay close attention to the proctor's instructions.
@@ShawnSmith183 Will do! I appreciate the additional advice!
@@edyhatcher4122 how it go
Should all questions be answered simply with a yes and no?
Any officer should be able to handle this fine. If you are concerned about taking a polygraph you shouldn’t be protecting any community. I think they should make it even more intense
I took my polygraph today. First off- the most intense thing I did. I was so anxious and idk why. I think it’s because we are dealing with people of authority and that’s already nerve wrecking. Anyways- it was brutal but I told the truth. Towards the end my examiner said they had some discrepancies. I told the truth though. I use to drink heavy and I no longer do. I overthink everything and that causes me to get anxious. We’ll see- I really want this job. I don’t think I passed the polygraph though 😢 it’s in Gods hands. Edit: and yeah- they made me feel like I was a criminal and this awful person- it was insane
Did u pass
No- I failed it. And I told the truth the entire time. I was extremely anxious and did have a panic attack during it so that probably didn’t help. Oh well- I gave it a go. Going to continue going to college. Thinking nursing
Been interrogated in multiple occasions as a minor once upon a time so I’m a little rusty but not my first rodeo. You just have to mentally not give two fucks, the end.
polys are way to inacurate and have to many variables. kind of wild that they use them
I saw a job posting for the border patrol on LinkedIn and most of the comments were complaining about the polygraph and how it disqualifies many good candidates.
I recently went thru a polygraph with a PD, and I had the same experience as you in regards to the officer being friendly and kind then a switch flipped, he became aggressive and accusatory. I have 0 drug history except for friends and family and I dont think he believed that, said I had a reaction to a drug related question, he harped on it bad left the room a few times. Came back asked a couple other questions about drugs. I explained I had embarrassment that a family member is a pot head and my ex-husband was a drug addict that I found out about. He told me the test doesn't respond to embarrassment, and frankly at this point I have become frustrated that he or the machine didn't believe me, he left again came back in his calm tone he took the stuff off me. Asked if I felt the questions were fair, and if I was treated with respect. He said that I had until I walked out the door to answer the questions or explain to him the reaction he saw and I said I have no other answer I answered everything truthfully. He did not finish the whole packet ie- he did not ask me any of the sex/ pedophilia which makes me certain I did not pass because why would they not finish the packet? I have still not heard anything from that department, no pass/fall pulled from the process etc.
How long was it until you heard anything?
It took only about a week to hear back. Honestly, I don't think those machines are as accurate as some think; I remember reading that some departments have stopped using them. Again, it's very much a mind game
Well? Did you pass?
I had the same exact experience as you guys to a T. It’s almost comical how many of these stories are all the same.
@@ShawnSmith183 Yeah! Don't leave us hanging Chris! Can you tell us or not? I'll understand if you can't. Take care/Godspeed.
Im taking a polygraph at the end of this week. Im both nervous and excited knowing after this I’m basically over the mountain. By the grace of god everything else has gone good for me. Going into it I know to remain truthful and firm on what I say and not let their interrogation tactics make me change my answer. If anyone else has any other advice please let me know.
How did it go? I have one coming up and am super nervous
@@jonathanhillegas2159he failed and got sent to prison for making admissions
If you want to be a cop in NJ you have to be the offspring or related to a cop to get a job outside of Camden, Trenton, or Newark.
outside of?
@@Pouchy17 Camden, Newark, and Trenton are metro police so they pretty much higher anyone
Facts thats why i gave up with being a cop in new Jersey. Clean record, educated and i served received an honorable discharge but in jersey its who you know and how well can you kiss butt.
@@pokemon_john I used to work with a guy who was a class 1 for a summer and his hiring class was basically 1 Ex military which is what he was, 1 black male, 1 Latino woman, 1 white woman for the diversity quotas. And the woman were shocked to see they would be getting yelled at by superiors.
@@pokemon_john thank you for your service
Great video bro
Thanks 👍
My son wants to be a police officer, he didn’t go straight from High School to apply but instead he went to college and got a degree in Criminal Justice 1st , he applied for 4 Departments , he scored high on the test and physical, there’s 30 applications that get selected for only 2 positions in NJ , it’s total BS that they need police officers , it’s all politics , they have in mind who they hire prior of the test, my opinion he’s wasting his time , he should have went with a different route.. A police officer’s salary is garbage unless you do plenty of overtime and put your life on the line .. Now I understand why officers quit law enforcement.. I’m not going to discourage anyone but my opinion isn’t worth it
I can agree with the criminal justice part. No offense to anyone who got a CJ major (my degree sucks too) but they're basically a scam. He could always get his BLET at a community college and work for a smaller department or a sheriff's office.
@@ShawnSmith183 he did both community and Montclair state
I’m taking my multiple choice test the 25th of this month I’m nervous may I ask did you practice for that? If so how was the test it self
Sorry I missed your comment. How did it go?
@@ShawnSmith183 lol It’s all good I failed I got my next test next month
@@ShawnSmith183 sorry I got my test in august again.
Most polygraph examiners give you the list of questions beforehand
My polygraphs got angry and insisting on I did something what I did not ? Is it normal ? He did not tell me my results . And said he will send info to employer . Any idea how long does it take ? Any possibility of passing it or I am mercy of the polygrapher?
If you answered honestly, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I've heard about some erroneously failed tests, but those seem to be the exception and not the norm. It's normal for them to be aggressive; I've spoken to others who have taken polys and they had roughly similar experiences.
I passed my CAT and physical now i am in the i
Phq part and i got a call today for a bilingual test
Cool story bro
I took my polygraph two weeks ago and still haven’t heard anything yet , is that a good thing or a bad thing. Please answer!
You might want to at least try following up with the department recruiter
Did you pass the polygraph?? How many total questions do they ask?
I did not find employment at that agency, I'll leave it there haha. I found work doing something I really like... so I guess it was all for the best?
Hey bro did you ask yourself the same question in your head . Or was it different questions. I have a voice stress test coming up and I think I will use your technique. Just ask myself ( are you a women) which the answer will be no. Can I just keep using that same question for the answers that are a no answer?
How you do?
I wouldn’t recommend using any tricks, honesty is the best policy bro
I had took my poly today and actually failed due to inconclusive and deceptive readings when I was telling the truth , luckily I got to reschedule another test next week but I was nervous throughout the whole test, and advice to help me pass?
What do they ask you ?
@@JRJ0306 they ask u a total of 10 questions, 2 questions they want u to lie, then 2 questions regarding if you told the truth during your criminal background? Did you tell the truth about drug use? Then it goes to another 2 questions they want you to lie on again , then followed up by 2 more questions , which u tell the truth on which is, are you telling the truth about your work history? Are you telling the truth about criminal history? It’s really simple but the questions they want you to tell the truth on, they repeat them about 4-6 times, the whole process is like 35 mins to an hour
Did u pass the second time
@@hairynipps2599 People on here say they took it but seem to be shy about the results. 😉😁
You neither “passed” or “failed” the polygraph. It’s only a prop, incapable of actually getting truthful or deceptive results, the results are merely the opinion of your polygraph operator. Longest running scam practically on the public for over a 100 years now. Look into some Doug Williams videos where he explains the basics and BS of the industry. Best example I have viewed is an older 60 Minutes episode where Mr. Williams demonstrates to Diane Sawyer of how flawed and scandalous the polygraph industry is. The segment is titled “Truth and Consequences” 60 Minutes with Doug Williams.
How long approximately is the test
If the proctor thinks you're lying, the longer it will take. Mine was about 4 hours, which seems about average based on what I've heard from other people.
If I had a fake ID would that disqualify you from becoming a cop years later
Totally depends on the department, if it was a misdemeanor, and how long ago. A lot of departments are very lenient nowadays
@@ShawnSmith183 I don’t know if your familiar with Suffolk county NY but I was thinking of getting a fake before I go to college but I want to become a cop when I get out of college
So did you pass?
I did but I accepted another job offer, which in hindsight I’m glad because it led me on a good career path. I respect the police, but they have a rough job and don’t get paid enough
@@ShawnSmith183 where did you end up going?
@@ShawnSmith183 Depends on the location, they get paid quite well.
@@ippothedestroyer The department I looked at didn’t pay all that much and it’s not even the safest city. But that is true in some places they make like 80k
@@ShawnSmith183 100k+ in the puget sound. Very good money here.
try again in a year...? over a failed poly? how is that even a thing..
Thats how you know its a sham. If they think you are lying and give you a deception ruling, then why would you be allowed to try again after X years have passed?
It’s an excruciating and discouraging process.
i have a question, what’s ur email
Cops and child molesters are the same thing
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