"What does The Joker care about territory?" Narcissism Lewis, narcissism. The Joker cares because the rest of Gotham cares. Sure he'd rather be doing something he finds amusing, but likewise he seeks validation from outside sources as well. Otherwise he wouldn't go to the lengths he does against or for Batman's attentions. He wants to share his jokes; but what's a joke that no one pays attention to?
Sounds about right, just as Gotham didn't care about Batman when he returned after those events they also didn't care about Joker. Just as Batman had to change his approach in gaining territory also the Joker was forced to do the same to reclaim attention.
Also resources to plan his jokes with. Acid spraying fake flowers take time and resources. Ditto with juiced joybuzzers, and that's not even getting into the robots and animatronics.
I absolutely love how Cassandra is treated in the Wayne Family adventures webtoon comic she's just so cute and fun definitely my favorite of the bat family in that series next to Nightwing
@@JennyBlaze253 Yeah, it almost made me cry. Genuinely beautiful. Not to say that the rest of the book isn't good. It's some nice, light-hearted Bat Family fun with emotional bits with every member of the Bat Family. Wish they were gathered in a trade.
@@VoltboltoShe is orphan because her biological parent is not dead but didn't live up to expectations when compared to what social extractions she had received by the BatFam. Even Though the BlackBat name feels more badass. Just finished the video and happy that it was satisfactions.
Didn't know who Cassandra Cain was before this, but this video made me a fan! Not only is her costume and gimmick cool, but she's also really relatable to a neurodivergent person. She has processing issues like speaking and reading, she's super good at one thing in particular, and Cassandra's way of seeing the world is quite literally different. And if there's one thing ND people can relate to, it's hearing ignorant shit like "How stupid can you be?!". Thanks Barbara.
You'd think Barbara would be more understanding, given that she's paraplegic. Not saying it's unbelievable, just that it reflects especially badly on Barbara since she should know better.
No Man's Land is an especially harsh story arc after some of the high profile natural disasters that have hit major US cities in the 23 years since it came out. Especially ones where the government really dropped the ball on disaster preparation and rescue/recovery.
No Man's Land was considered stupid and ridiculous to a lot of fans because the idea that a major American city would be left to twist in the wind was ridiculous. Increasingly, the books just seem accurate.
@@CT_PhippsI'm not sure if anything the government has done in DC will ever top the insanity of launching a nuke while the aliens were hovering over Metropolis in DC Challenge (If anyone can name anything that the government has done which is even more insane. Feel free to let me know)
Rich, white paternalist Bruce Wayne is exactly the sort of man The Clash would hate. This is some Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine level shit.
Holy cow I had no idea about Cassandra Cain. My only real knowledge was that crappy bat woman show. My daughters favorite super hero is Batman and she's half asian currently learning to read. I can't wait to get these Batgirl books and read them together with her.
So fun fact about Navajo: the reason why Najavo was used to create code used by the United States Navy during the war in the Pacific because it was such a complex language that it was unintelligible to even close relatives to it in the Na-Dene language groups. When WWII broke out it was estimated that fewer than 30 Non-Navajo could actually speak it. So yeah I call bull on Cassandra learning Navajo.
What makes it more bizarre is that the message was *written* in Navajo. While it can be written using Latin script, that not what it was used for, as you described.
How Cassandra Cain hasn't gotten a movie or a tv show, or even a cartoon, is beyond me. She has a rich backstory and a great character arc. It would make sense to do a movie about her. But, then again, this is DC we're talking about.
@@Kermthefrog I find them good, but everyone has their own preference; even the best liked stuff has someone who hates it. Perhaps try looking up some reviews and see if they match your tastes.
Lex's plan actually makes sense he'd have control over a 3rd of Gotham ending up controlling most of its crime but he would also have land and real estate in Gotham to do his deeds with no prying eyes
I am also still mad that we never ever got a chance to see Cassandra Cain batgirl actually interact with both my boys Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin because that could’ve been really awesome and tons of fun.
@@mrroboshadow lol indeed and seeing aunt cass teaming up with both super sons Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian wayne robin teaming up would be really awesome and tons of fun.
@@TevyaSmolka i for one would love to see her smack that smug entitled superior attitude out of Damian (i know the character has mellowed over time but at the start, at least for me, he was insufferable)
@@mrroboshadow indeed and honestly you weren't entirely wrong about that especially with the very beginning of Damian Wayne Robin introduction however after his introduction he did mellow out and became a great character, heck when my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne Robin first met each other they technically hate each other at first but luckily when the chips were down they became actually great friends and a fun team in my opinion.
Aunt Cass chaperoning the newest World's Finest sons does sound like a good enough premise. Also a Bat Family Christmas where the League keeps Gotham's criminals on lockdown, like Superman singing Carols with the more receptive members of Arkham.
1:16:19: I would say that it is better than what DC editorial did to Nora Fries in the New 52 in my opinion. If the writers had explored Nora Fries as Lazura, then this would be about Mr. Fries trying to convince his wife why he did such a thing. He would also tell her the entire truth about what has happened to him since she was frozen in suspended animation. Eventually, Nora would regain her sanity and would lose her powers after realizing that Victor would never harm her and would do whatever it takes to save her. It would cause him to face a few years in prison, but Nora would be here watching and waiting for him. This would be a satisfying conclusion to Mister Freeze’s character arc.
The handling of her character by DC very much makes me think of Cass as the DC equivalent to Mayday Parker aka Spider-Girl. She too was a character with a consistent following (Marvel was constantly cancelling and uncancelling her book every 6 issues for over a decade) yet Marvel seems to almost resent her. They do barely anything to use the character or promote her to a wider audience. The Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon deliberately invented a new Spider-Girl character to avoid using her in the Web-Warriors arc. The first time they'd used her after her book ended, was part of the Spider-Verse event, in which a writer who seemed to go barely know anything about her did a story majorly screwing her over (sounding familiar?). Like Cass this had major fan backlash too (to the point that when her creators were brought on board to do a Spider-Verse tie in with her, they deliberately inserted subtle continuity errors to try and imply this wasn't the real Mayday), and Marvel has now kinda sorta fixed it... ish... in Spider-Geddon (it's an ambiguous ending panel of a story). They just still won't use her outside of occasional appearances in Spider-Crossover events.
not quite right. Recently it was revealed that mephisto did his deal with peter to change history so Mayday would be erased from history. Reason for that is that may would be the one to permanently end him, hence why he does everything in his might to make sure it doesn't happen. Still doesn't excuse all of the insane rewrites and retcons happening to erase Peters marriage with MJ, but yeah. Mayday is getting a big push.
@@EnerKaizer Apologies for long reply but: That's a different character. Mayday Parker is a character from the alternate MC2 universe. The Mephisto vision Spider-Girl is a tease at a potential version of her that'll likely never go anywhere. Spencer was teasing throughout his run that we'd get a proper acknowledgement of OMD and it never happened. That vision at the end of his run comes across as Marvel Editorial stepping in, shutting down Spencer's plans, and throwing in a false tease to try and damage control the situation. It also doesn't help that they've falsely teased her before, back before the MC2 version dven existed. The MC2 version is a What If, of the Clone Saga baby, based on Tom DeFalco's original intentions where Marvel didn't get rid of her. He'd intended for the baby to be revealed as alive and brought back. Teased it. Then Marvel stepped in, shut it down and had Aunt May be brought back from death instead. Then Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz decided to do What If 105 where the original plan happened and the baby grew up into Mayday. Marvel has form was false teases of her in 616 and the Mephisto vision is likely not to be followed up on for a LONG TIME (if ever).
@@toqkaizogou1636 Pal, don't know what to tell you, but Mephisto is build up for a major event. They even made a council of Mephistos, and he was prominently featured in some storylines. This is going to be a thing unless specifically said otherwise. Nothing you said felt confirmed in any way, and felt more like wishfull thinking from your part. Nothing was de-confirmed, nothing was said to be offically droped, this is still a thing.
I'm reminded of another marvel character, Andi Benton of the 2011 Venom run, starting as Flash's sidekick Mania. She was hugely popular, and writers like Bunn wanted to do more with her, but editorial kept shafting her. She lost her first symbiote, editors put the kibosh on an arc with her, Flash basically forgot her during Space Knight and she lost her first symbiote. She got the Scream symbiote and her own run, but between Marvel barely marketing it and Covid beginning to hit, it got canceled 6 issues in. They bring her back for king in black, only to strip her of Scream in another story arc and give her Silence. They seemed to have at least calmed it down a bit, with Andi at least appearing in Venom Beyond, and some games, but man did editors seem to resent her.
@@zillafire101 Marvel Editorial needs to seriously stop with the screwing of fan-favourites. They've even done it to Ben Reilly again. Out the window goes all the work done to fix Clone Conspiracy. They've made him a villain again. And Nick Lowe's justification of it was absolutely ridiculous. Basically summed up as telling Ben Reilly fans that there's no room for him because Miles Morales exists... really.
Of course Bruce knows who The Clash is : a) he hung out with that Sid Vicious stand-in and his band. Toured around with them, etc. Surely he heard someone play The Clash at some point, but even if he didn't : b) he studied Rock n Roll, "extensively", right down to analyzing lyrics, so THAT'S how he knew the song. "Know thy enemy" and all that.
@11:39 When Metropolis was leveled in the '90s, they got Zatanna to cast a spell using the memories of Superman and Perry White (telepathically extracted via Martian Manhunter) to rebuild the city in moments. I imagine she may have offered to do the same thing but couldn't get a word in while Batman kept growling at everyone to stay out of "his" city.
Theres also something about the government forbidding any aid to Gotham period with a lot of red tape Zatanna and other heros may not be as restricted when it comes to crime fighting but are still subject to the desires of world governments I remember this was a point of contention in YJ season 3
@@HighOctane01 Agreed, but its also magic and magic is always broken in Superhero universes because the answer tends to be "Can do whatever we want situationally" and even now I give side eye to the Justice League Dark who had to the nerve to give Diana shit for being made of Divine Magic "because it doesn't have a cost" but we never hear that in regards to Zatanna who just gets to do what she wants. lol
Great video, again. :) Sidenote: Greg Rucka's novelization of "No Man's Land" is really good. Especially for those who might want NOT to have to read 8 TPBs.
I don't mean to be rude but how is a novel shorter than a comic trade? It seems like you lose the reading time from describing the scene in a comic ( since the drawing does the job instead).
@@pauldecker4630 Well you don't need to describe EVERYTHING in a Scene. And the novelization also streamlines the story. NML, in the comics has a lot of detours.
I did know of Cass before, and now that I know her story, I like her even more. What you said about Destiny is what you make of it, resonates with me. I may need to get her comics.
Thanks for the retrospective. This clears up so many foggy areas in the Young Justice arc "Sisters" from Season 5. It dove head first into the Bat-family lore and I was struggling to keep up. I feel you on the comics don't know how to sell their books. A side project would have helped so much and would have been great to keep track side characters who may or may not show up again.
1:38:30 I like Henry Cavill's Take about toxic fans he said that 'It's a fans right to having whatever opinion they want to have' and that's more about being passionate than being toxic, but it's true that crossing the line is bad.
I'm with certainty sure people like Linkara hate and despise people like Cavill. Judging by his views on "token characters not killing comic books" in this very video Linkara is as delusional as modern comic writers and editors who stay in big two on,life support of WB and Disney merch and movies.
Aw yes! This is my FAVORITE of all of your retrospectives, the one I rewatch most of all, and now it's all in one video instead of a playlist. Thanks for this dude!
Bro I watched you back in the day with the Power rangers series I took my time and watched every single one when they came out I didn’t know you actually had a whole channel needless to say I’m going to spend A LOT OF TIME watching your videos You’re one of the best comic ppl on UA-cam even tho it’s Pop culture all together and your production values are quality
Thank you so much for making a day of constant stomach pain bearable with this beautiful retrospective on arguably the most complex member of the Bat family (which is saying something). Cassandra Cain deserves the love.
This reminds me, I should probably try to buy the trades I'm missing for Cassandra's time as Batgirl. Which I only started buying because of this retrospective come to think of it.
I was hoping Damian and Cass would get along better, considering they are both trying to escape from an abusive parent, but no, Dc can´t have nice things :(
Or even Cass being a amazing fighter and Damian being proud hearted about that sort of thing. Her teaching him a bit of humility and them bonding over training together basically writes itself.
@@gracekim25 She is! You see her at the start of season 3 under the name Orphan. They don’t go into her backstory until the Season 4 episode “The Lady and the Tigress.”
I love this retrospective. To this day, I am still angry at DC for ruining Cassandra. I am still waiting on the say that they will make Cassandra batgirl.
She is indeed Batgirl again in the book Batgirls, where she and Stephanie Brown as Spoiler work under Barbara Gordon (who, yes, is also still Batgirl because we're just letting multiple people use codenames now).
Man if I was a Marvel or DC executive, I’d bring Lewis in as a business consultant. The amount of times Lewis has pointed out how bad they are at marketing their own products..
I'm happy that Cass seems to be being put back on track, one of my friends showed me the 2022 Batgirls series where both her and Stephine are both Batgirl and working together, in fact as of this post they just released an annual that erm...well has the two in a Freaky Friday situation. and for something a little more short and sweet, there's the Bat-Family Webtoons comic that shows Cass and the others in slice of life scinarios I hope this continues for Cass and thanks for the amazing retrospective Linkara
I love your retrospective, I love hearing you talk about things you like, and i think that the longer format highlight your writing, like HOPR. I know that this videos take longer to make and probably don't make more money than regular AT4W, but still I love when a retrospective comes out
No Man's Land was my first introduction to Cassandra, and she became my personal favorite Batgirl, like Wally West is my personal favorite Flash. Plus I hope one day you will do a retrospective of The Flash.
Seeing this kinda makes me wish he had waited a bit more since DCeased game Cass some great moments specifically the “unkillables” and “dead planet” But even if that was out at the time, he probably would have just mentioned it offhandedly because it’s elseworlds, still Cass has been going strong in recent times
Funny thing is, they could've had the start of Batgirl's remorse with Oracle and Batman be that they're clearly frustrated (through body language) with her inability to process certain things (like language and social cues) and moments like Oracle blowing up in her are major moments in a separate context. They don't actually hate her or hate wanting to help her out, but that momentary anger can sometimes just be the breaking point when piled on top of other "thousand cuts" problems (like Spoiler being fired, David Cain's gift, and being close to Lady Shieva's death match). There's a writer (who's name has lost me) that wrote a story with inspiration from his own difficulties with mental illness by writing a character who's sister privately (in a letter that the character later saw) vents about how frustrating it is to deal with someone who suffers from one. She still loves them, but the underlying issue still makes things difficult. Also, what's with writers having a Batgirl get hit on by a criminal and having it feel like it's supposed to be a gender-reversed Batman/Catwoman dynamic? At least with Cassandra, she's been isolated from normal social interaction. Babs is just a victim of creepy terrible writing.
I'm really actually looking forward to a Stephanie Brown retrospective as I've heard a fair bit about her but don't know a lot about her. Same with Geoff Johns' Teen Titan's book.
Lewis has really helped me rediscover my love for comics over the last few years. I had heard some talk about No Man's Land & Cassandra Cain as a character when it was first released, but didn't get a chance to really dive into the story until seeing this review when it first came out in 2019. On a side note, maybe it's due to my exposure to "Crazy Steve" early on, but I assumed the "World's Greatest Detective" meme had a drunk Batman drinking from a bottle while loudly asking about The Joker.
Easily one of my favorite titles from during it's run. Cassie is one of my favorite heroes and was done real dirty by DC. For someone who really enjoyed Infinite Crisis, One Year Later, and 52 they did such a shit job with her that they tried to fix with a singe panel and failed.
luckily, Cass and steph got the bat symbol back, and have taken the mantle of batgirl together under Barbara in the new batgirls series. So far i think its really good.
I’m glad this video put Cass into the spot light for a lot of people, not only does she deserve more respect and recognition, but so does her solo series which while not a 10/10 by any measures, was still an amazing story that had something to say and said it well
I've been reading Batgirls and am really loving it. The art is wonderful and Tutor is interesting, at least his art work is. Can't wait to keep reading it :D
Hey, there is a new Batgirls comic. It's fun, there have been comments about odd characterization but at this point any Cassandra content is good Cassandra content.
Rewatching this retrospective made me glad she had a place in the batfamily webtoon. She deserve it to be more know (plus the two chapter on her are really good).
the whole "DC is run by Creative people" thing reminded me of one of DC's stupid decisions. the aging up of Jon Kent. I don't know if it was an executive decision but the one who defended himself the most was the writer of that decision Brian Michael Bendis. I don't think Bendis understood why people loved Jon. I don't think he understood the sizable fanbase that was created over Supersons which sucks because Supersons is what got me into DC comics. All because he thought the story of Superman's son wasn't as interesting if he was a 10 year old. and what did we get from that decision? another Legion of Superheroes book that has Superboy... whoopee... Ever since Bendis left, Tom Taylor has been doing a great job picking up the pieces and letting us love Jon in a whole new way. But DC still let Bendis make that story and they have been doing their damnest to keep Supersons fans satiated through the digital first comic. but the question must be asked why'd they let the story get passed in the first place?
Still one of my favorite multi-part deep dives. And as much as I still hope for and look forward to one done for Stephanie Brown? I kinda want you to do one for Harper, if only because a) they're getting more attention lately being in Young Justice and b) I think they're probably the most interesting member of the Batfam, being one of the few who became a part of the Batfam by their own volition. Also: Harper and Cass. OTP.
Sheesh, I like Cassandra Cain as a character but why are writers so obsessed with turning Batman (and occasionally the rest of the Bat family, like here with Barbara) into such a Batdick?
This was a pretty fun retrospective. And while I must admit, I'm not a comic book fan and I prefer Barbara as Batgirl, Cassandra is a really great character and her story is a powerful one, showing that despite how someone tries to raise and control another, life can still find a way and one can choose their own path. Cassandra was trained to be a killer since birth, but she didn't like killing after doing it once and choose a different and better life.
I've rewatched this retrospective several times, and during this particular watch, I've been working on a "Year One" type story for Cass, essentially my take on her origin. I think I'm excited for this concept to the extent that I hope that more will come from this little idea of mine.
Oh my god, as someone from SEA country with limited knowledge of DC's heroes up to Justice League cartoon, seeing all those Batman supporting case made me soooo confuse. I only know Batman's allies up to Jason Todd. I don't even know what happen to him until I found your AT4W blog 7+ years ago and you mentioned his fate in some videos. Hell, I only know about Nightwing from Teen Titans cartoon, and thought that was a joke about Robin become edgy brooding guy in the dark future episode!
What's funny about the plot point of Lex Luthor becoming President of the United States is referenced in Lego Batman 2's plot where his scheme involves him running for president.
Never knew about Cassandra Cain before I saw this video and I'm really impressed how good of a character she is, having only read a handful of Batman comics like year one, long Halloween, dark knight returns, and the killing joke I would like to give Cassandra a shot
okay. after watching this video with the whole history of Cassandra Cain, and her Journey has Bat-Girl. well it's safe to say. I'm starting to like and get interested in Cass. besides that. pretty good retrospective. loved all of the details.
1:51:43 Geoff Johns, he who holds creation in one hand and destruction on the other. We light the sacred fires, in the hopes that he might be appeased and wield his terrible power for good.
I only knew the Cliff's Notes version of Cassie before this, and this is a delight. Hopefully Lewis will have time to do that Stephanie Brown retrospective, that'll be fun.
I hope we see one of these some day for Nightwing. I feel like the impact he had on the larger world of comics, DC, and superheroes in general is something to behold. The most famous sidekick walking out of the shadow of his mentor. He's my favorite member of the Bat-Family and of course my favorite Superhero by far cuz his power, in my opinion, his just how good of a leader he is.
You know.... With the Design of Cassandra Cain's Batgirl Outfit and how it looks in some of the Comics, Even in the No Man's land Series..... It's almost like a Rubber Outfit to an extent, Just imagine what it would be like in the DC Cinematic Universe, Only thing not made of Rubber about the Costume would be the Eyes and Mouth Guard.
1:16:17 For anyone curious, especially since I think she's back to her original backstory again, what they did was make Nora Fries...NOT a Fries. She's Nora ROBERTS, the first test subject for cryonics, and Victor, in his deranged mental state, imagined himself as her husband, despite her being frozen decades before he was born(old enough to be his grandmother, according to Batman). I found that to be an interesting bit myself, as it played into how most of the Bat-Gallery were people with direct mental disorders causing their issues, and thus, they COULD be helped, if they merely tried to help themselves. It's a thing brought up in that version, the New 52, of Batman...and then dropped like a hot potato because of stupid things they wanted to do. See also the two issues of New 52 batman that our host covered.
I enjoyed the video overall, my main objection being your declaration that nobody cares about the crime lords, i actually really like it when Batman and Spider-Man get into more street level crime like that.
I love the part at 2:00:45 where Linkara says "This is not love," referring to the gift of the knife which is really just a power-play rather than an act of affection. I wish it had come with a flashback to the fight between Bruce and Cass to say "This is love," when Bruce lets Cass beat the crap out of him because he knows it's what she needs. Also, sorry Gail Simone's story never happened. It would have been fun, and Heaven knows my religion could use some good press these days.
It's an interesting concept, but you'd have to be very careful if you wanted to do it justice. It's also something that would have to stick with her as an aspect of her character, minor or major. It could be an interesting point of connection with Azrael though. Man was made into a super soldier by a Christian cult.
1:51:54 To be fair to Geoff Johns his teen titans book is what got me into comics, Long story short, I was not in a good place mentally, actually being in a mental ward where I stumbled upon the first trade of his Titans book A Kids Game reading It had me smile for the first time in weeks , just from enjoying it.
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"What does The Joker care about territory?" Narcissism Lewis, narcissism.
The Joker cares because the rest of Gotham cares. Sure he'd rather be doing something he finds amusing, but likewise he seeks validation from outside sources as well. Otherwise he wouldn't go to the lengths he does against or for Batman's attentions. He wants to share his jokes; but what's a joke that no one pays attention to?
Sounds about right, just as Gotham didn't care about Batman when he returned after those events they also didn't care about Joker. Just as Batman had to change his approach in gaining territory also the Joker was forced to do the same to reclaim attention.
As Mr. J himself put it, "Without Batman, crime has no punchline." That's all but BEGGING for an audience.
Also resources to plan his jokes with. Acid spraying fake flowers take time and resources. Ditto with juiced joybuzzers, and that's not even getting into the robots and animatronics.
I absolutely love how Cassandra is treated in the Wayne Family adventures webtoon comic she's just so cute and fun definitely my favorite of the bat family in that series next to Nightwing
I started reading WFA a couple days ago and the 2-parter with Cassandra is definitely the highlight of the webcomic.
@@JennyBlaze253 Yeah, it almost made me cry. Genuinely beautiful. Not to say that the rest of the book isn't good. It's some nice, light-hearted Bat Family fun with emotional bits with every member of the Bat Family. Wish they were gathered in a trade.
@@coreylineberry8557 They are being gathered in a trade and its being released in August
I hate it. They still have her as orphan with a god awful costume and a watered down personality
@@VoltboltoShe is orphan because her biological parent is not dead but didn't live up to expectations when compared to what social extractions she had received by the BatFam. Even Though the BlackBat name feels more badass.
Just finished the video and happy that it was satisfactions.
Didn't know who Cassandra Cain was before this, but this video made me a fan! Not only is her costume and gimmick cool, but she's also really relatable to a neurodivergent person.
She has processing issues like speaking and reading, she's super good at one thing in particular, and Cassandra's way of seeing the world is quite literally different. And if there's one thing ND people can relate to, it's hearing ignorant shit like "How stupid can you be?!". Thanks Barbara.
As an ND person myself I find myself relating to Cassandra more than most members of the Bat family.
You'd think Barbara would be more understanding, given that she's paraplegic. Not saying it's unbelievable, just that it reflects especially badly on Barbara since she should know better.
No Man's Land is an especially harsh story arc after some of the high profile natural disasters that have hit major US cities in the 23 years since it came out. Especially ones where the government really dropped the ball on disaster preparation and rescue/recovery.
No Man's Land was considered stupid and ridiculous to a lot of fans because the idea that a major American city would be left to twist in the wind was ridiculous. Increasingly, the books just seem accurate.
@@CT_PhippsI'm not sure if anything the government has done in DC will ever top the insanity of launching a nuke while the aliens were hovering over Metropolis in DC Challenge (If anyone can name anything that the government has done which is even more insane. Feel free to let me know)
Clearly Batman's sudden love of The Clash was a side effect of all the reality warping that occurred during Infinite Crisis.
Rich, white paternalist Bruce Wayne is exactly the sort of man The Clash would hate. This is some Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine level shit.
Holy cow I had no idea about Cassandra Cain. My only real knowledge was that crappy bat woman show. My daughters favorite super hero is Batman and she's half asian currently learning to read. I can't wait to get these Batgirl books and read them together with her.
Aw!
This comment made me smile 10/10 parenting
The less said about her appearance in the Birds of Prey movie, the better.
Well Batwoman and Batgirl are different mantels
Speaking of crap. Cassandra was in the notoriously bad video game Batman: Dark Tomorrow (For those who didn't know)
So fun fact about Navajo: the reason why Najavo was used to create code used by the United States Navy during the war in the Pacific because it was such a complex language that it was unintelligible to even close relatives to it in the Na-Dene language groups. When WWII broke out it was estimated that fewer than 30 Non-Navajo could actually speak it. So yeah I call bull on Cassandra learning Navajo.
What makes it more bizarre is that the message was *written* in Navajo. While it can be written using Latin script, that not what it was used for, as you described.
How Cassandra Cain hasn't gotten a movie or a tv show, or even a cartoon, is beyond me. She has a rich backstory and a great character arc. It would make sense to do a movie about her. But, then again, this is DC we're talking about.
I mean... At least she got to be in the animated movie adaptation of The Doom that Came to Gotham...?
DC hates 90s legacy characters.
Cassandra is just awesome and it's great that she and Stephanie are able to work together with Barbara in the new Batgirls book.
Are they any good? I want to pick them up, but I'm kinda afraid of spending money on books I don't like.
@@Kermthefrog I find them good, but everyone has their own preference; even the best liked stuff has someone who hates it. Perhaps try looking up some reviews and see if they match your tastes.
I'm surprised that "Nightwing's Magical Fist of Morality" hasn't become a running gag on this show considering how often he shows up.
Lex's plan actually makes sense he'd have control over a 3rd of Gotham ending up controlling most of its crime but he would also have land and real estate in Gotham to do his deeds with no prying eyes
I am also still mad that we never ever got a chance to see Cassandra Cain batgirl actually interact with both my boys Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin because that could’ve been really awesome and tons of fun.
cool aunt Cass who kicks ass....literally
@@mrroboshadow lol indeed and seeing aunt cass teaming up with both super sons Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian wayne robin teaming up would be really awesome and tons of fun.
@@TevyaSmolka i for one would love to see her smack that smug entitled superior attitude out of Damian (i know the character has mellowed over time but at the start, at least for me, he was insufferable)
@@mrroboshadow indeed and honestly you weren't entirely wrong about that especially with the very beginning of Damian Wayne Robin introduction however after his introduction he did mellow out and became a great character, heck when my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne Robin first met each other they technically hate each other at first but luckily when the chips were down they became actually great friends and a fun team in my opinion.
Aunt Cass chaperoning the newest World's Finest sons does sound like a good enough premise.
Also a Bat Family Christmas where the League keeps Gotham's criminals on lockdown, like Superman singing Carols with the more receptive members of Arkham.
1:16:19: I would say that it is better than what DC editorial did to Nora Fries in the New 52 in my opinion. If the writers had explored Nora Fries as Lazura, then this would be about Mr. Fries trying to convince his wife why he did such a thing. He would also tell her the entire truth about what has happened to him since she was frozen in suspended animation. Eventually, Nora would regain her sanity and would lose her powers after realizing that Victor would never harm her and would do whatever it takes to save her. It would cause him to face a few years in prison, but Nora would be here watching and waiting for him. This would be a satisfying conclusion to Mister Freeze’s character arc.
What did they do with Nora in the New 52 again?
@@skibot9974 Make sure that she was frozen in the 1940s, while Victor Freeze believe that he and Nora are lovers.
This retrospective is what got me to decide to buy Cassandra’s entire run, alongside Stephanie’s too. Both great runs.
The handling of her character by DC very much makes me think of Cass as the DC equivalent to Mayday Parker aka Spider-Girl. She too was a character with a consistent following (Marvel was constantly cancelling and uncancelling her book every 6 issues for over a decade) yet Marvel seems to almost resent her. They do barely anything to use the character or promote her to a wider audience. The Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon deliberately invented a new Spider-Girl character to avoid using her in the Web-Warriors arc. The first time they'd used her after her book ended, was part of the Spider-Verse event, in which a writer who seemed to go barely know anything about her did a story majorly screwing her over (sounding familiar?). Like Cass this had major fan backlash too (to the point that when her creators were brought on board to do a Spider-Verse tie in with her, they deliberately inserted subtle continuity errors to try and imply this wasn't the real Mayday), and Marvel has now kinda sorta fixed it... ish... in Spider-Geddon (it's an ambiguous ending panel of a story). They just still won't use her outside of occasional appearances in Spider-Crossover events.
not quite right.
Recently it was revealed that mephisto did his deal with peter to change history so Mayday would be erased from history. Reason for that is that may would be the one to permanently end him, hence why he does everything in his might to make sure it doesn't happen.
Still doesn't excuse all of the insane rewrites and retcons happening to erase Peters marriage with MJ, but yeah. Mayday is getting a big push.
@@EnerKaizer Apologies for long reply but:
That's a different character. Mayday Parker is a character from the alternate MC2 universe. The Mephisto vision Spider-Girl is a tease at a potential version of her that'll likely never go anywhere. Spencer was teasing throughout his run that we'd get a proper acknowledgement of OMD and it never happened. That vision at the end of his run comes across as Marvel Editorial stepping in, shutting down Spencer's plans, and throwing in a false tease to try and damage control the situation.
It also doesn't help that they've falsely teased her before, back before the MC2 version dven existed. The MC2 version is a What If, of the Clone Saga baby, based on Tom DeFalco's original intentions where Marvel didn't get rid of her. He'd intended for the baby to be revealed as alive and brought back. Teased it. Then Marvel stepped in, shut it down and had Aunt May be brought back from death instead. Then Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz decided to do What If 105 where the original plan happened and the baby grew up into Mayday.
Marvel has form was false teases of her in 616 and the Mephisto vision is likely not to be followed up on for a LONG TIME (if ever).
@@toqkaizogou1636 Pal, don't know what to tell you, but Mephisto is build up for a major event. They even made a council of Mephistos, and he was prominently featured in some storylines. This is going to be a thing unless specifically said otherwise. Nothing you said felt confirmed in any way, and felt more like wishfull thinking from your part. Nothing was de-confirmed, nothing was said to be offically droped, this is still a thing.
I'm reminded of another marvel character, Andi Benton of the 2011 Venom run, starting as Flash's sidekick Mania. She was hugely popular, and writers like Bunn wanted to do more with her, but editorial kept shafting her. She lost her first symbiote, editors put the kibosh on an arc with her, Flash basically forgot her during Space Knight and she lost her first symbiote. She got the Scream symbiote and her own run, but between Marvel barely marketing it and Covid beginning to hit, it got canceled 6 issues in. They bring her back for king in black, only to strip her of Scream in another story arc and give her Silence.
They seemed to have at least calmed it down a bit, with Andi at least appearing in Venom Beyond, and some games, but man did editors seem to resent her.
@@zillafire101 Marvel Editorial needs to seriously stop with the screwing of fan-favourites. They've even done it to Ben Reilly again. Out the window goes all the work done to fix Clone Conspiracy. They've made him a villain again.
And Nick Lowe's justification of it was absolutely ridiculous. Basically summed up as telling Ben Reilly fans that there's no room for him because Miles Morales exists... really.
Of course Bruce knows who The Clash is : a) he hung out with that Sid Vicious stand-in and his band. Toured around with them, etc. Surely he heard someone play The Clash at some point, but even if he didn't :
b) he studied Rock n Roll, "extensively", right down to analyzing lyrics, so THAT'S how he knew the song. "Know thy enemy" and all that.
I still think that punk looks way more like Joe Strummer than Sid. But... Joe wasn't a dejected anti-social nihilist that burnt out young.
It's nice that after all this time Cass finally got to become Batgirl again. But man was it quite the roller coaster to get to that point.
@11:39 When Metropolis was leveled in the '90s, they got Zatanna to cast a spell using the memories of Superman and Perry White (telepathically extracted via Martian Manhunter) to rebuild the city in moments. I imagine she may have offered to do the same thing but couldn't get a word in while Batman kept growling at everyone to stay out of "his" city.
Theres also something about the government forbidding any aid to Gotham period with a lot of red tape Zatanna and other heros may not be as restricted when it comes to crime fighting but are still subject to the desires of world governments I remember this was a point of contention in YJ season 3
@@HighOctane01 Agreed, but its also magic and magic is always broken in Superhero universes because the answer tends to be "Can do whatever we want situationally" and even now I give side eye to the Justice League Dark who had to the nerve to give Diana shit for being made of Divine Magic "because it doesn't have a cost" but we never hear that in regards to Zatanna who just gets to do what she wants. lol
I love when you do retrospective, especially since this is my favorite Batgirl.
Great video, again. :)
Sidenote: Greg Rucka's novelization of "No Man's Land" is really good. Especially for those who might want NOT to have to read 8 TPBs.
I don't mean to be rude but how is a novel shorter than a comic trade? It seems like you lose the reading time from describing the scene in a comic ( since the drawing does the job instead).
@@pauldecker4630 Well you don't need to describe EVERYTHING in a Scene. And the novelization also streamlines the story. NML, in the comics has a lot of detours.
Sadly the ending is just as stupid.
you said Cassandra Cain was your favorite Batgirl, and I instantly liked the video
One of DC's Best characters. Thank You Lewis for this Great retrospective.
I did know of Cass before, and now that I know her story, I like her even more. What you said about Destiny is what you make of it, resonates with me. I may need to get her comics.
Cassandra Cain is such an amazing character!
Babe wake up new linkara retrospective video
Thanks for the retrospective. This clears up so many foggy areas in the Young Justice arc "Sisters" from Season 5. It dove head first into the Bat-family lore and I was struggling to keep up. I feel you on the comics don't know how to sell their books. A side project would have helped so much and would have been great to keep track side characters who may or may not show up again.
1:38:30 I like Henry Cavill's Take about toxic fans he said that 'It's a fans right to having whatever opinion they want to have' and that's more about being passionate than being toxic, but it's true that crossing the line is bad.
I'm with certainty sure people like Linkara hate and despise people like Cavill. Judging by his views on "token characters not killing comic books" in this very video Linkara is as delusional as modern comic writers and editors who stay in big two on,life support of WB and Disney merch and movies.
he clearly has never seen 4chan
@@mrksimka1159 Yeah, good of you to both be a psychic and capable of ignoring decades of mantle changes in one go. XD
I really want Bruce to adopt Cassandra again. I'm not sure if she his daughter in the current continuity.
She is
I love this retrospective, it showed me Cassandra and now she is my favorite batgirl though I will always love Barbara.
Aw yes! This is my FAVORITE of all of your retrospectives, the one I rewatch most of all, and now it's all in one video instead of a playlist. Thanks for this dude!
Bro I watched you back in the day with the Power rangers series I took my time and watched every single one when they came out I didn’t know you actually had a whole channel needless to say I’m going to spend A LOT OF TIME watching your videos You’re one of the best comic ppl on UA-cam even tho it’s Pop culture all together and your production values are quality
Glad to hear it! Hope you enjoy the rest of the stuff I've produced over the years! =)
Thank you so much for making a day of constant stomach pain bearable with this beautiful retrospective on arguably the most complex member of the Bat family (which is saying something). Cassandra Cain deserves the love.
Great retrospective on one of my all time favorite characters Cassandra Cain batgirl
ALFRED! ALFRED!! DID YOU FEEL THAT VIBRATION? ROCK AND ROLL HAS FINALLY DECLARED WAR ON ME!!
This reminds me, I should probably try to buy the trades I'm missing for Cassandra's time as Batgirl. Which I only started buying because of this retrospective come to think of it.
It would be nice to see the Book given a Hardback Omnibus release like Phil Jimenez's Underrated Wonder Woman book.
I was hoping Damian and Cass would get along better, considering they are both trying to escape from an abusive parent, but no, Dc can´t have nice things
:(
Or even Cass being a amazing fighter and Damian being proud hearted about that sort of thing. Her teaching him a bit of humility and them bonding over training together basically writes itself.
It was interesting to see Cassandra in Young Justice. Nice to see Greg Weisman has more respect for the character than DC has.
Indeed which made me so happy because I love Cassandra Cain in young justice.
She’s in young justice?!
@@gracekim25 yup that’s right and her story in young justice is executed awesome.
@@gracekim25 She is! You see her at the start of season 3 under the name Orphan. They don’t go into her backstory until the Season 4 episode “The Lady and the Tigress.”
I love this retrospective. To this day, I am still angry at DC for ruining Cassandra. I am still waiting on the say that they will make Cassandra batgirl.
She is indeed Batgirl again in the book Batgirls, where she and Stephanie Brown as Spoiler work under Barbara Gordon (who, yes, is also still Batgirl because we're just letting multiple people use codenames now).
haven't they made her batgirl again for a while now?
Personally I'd rather she go back to using Black Bat, though Batgirl is a good start.
@@AT4W I've read this, Barbara even make a joke that it's confusing to call both of them Batgirl ^^
@@AT4W Having multiple people use the codename does help protect secret identities. Look at mystery of the bat-woman.
I love Cass. I can't wait for you to do one on Steph!
Man if I was a Marvel or DC executive, I’d bring Lewis in as a business consultant. The amount of times Lewis has pointed out how bad they are at marketing their own products..
I'm happy that Cass seems to be being put back on track, one of my friends showed me the 2022 Batgirls series where both her and Stephine are both Batgirl and working together, in fact as of this post they just released an annual that erm...well has the two in a Freaky Friday situation.
and for something a little more short and sweet, there's the Bat-Family Webtoons comic that shows Cass and the others in slice of life scinarios
I hope this continues for Cass and thanks for the amazing retrospective Linkara
I loved these videos when they first released and I’m thrilled you’ve compiled them into one video. ❤
I love your retrospective, I love hearing you talk about things you like, and i think that the longer format highlight your writing, like HOPR.
I know that this videos take longer to make and probably don't make more money than regular AT4W, but still I love when a retrospective comes out
Come on Linkara. It's obvious why it took Superman so long to show up. Gotham City is over there and over there needs to deal with its own problems.
No Man's Land was my first introduction to Cassandra, and she became my personal favorite Batgirl, like Wally West is my personal favorite Flash. Plus I hope one day you will do a retrospective of The Flash.
Cass is probably my favorite DC character, at the very least in the top three for me.
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Seeing this kinda makes me wish he had waited a bit more since DCeased game Cass some great moments specifically the “unkillables” and “dead planet”
But even if that was out at the time, he probably would have just mentioned it offhandedly because it’s elseworlds, still Cass has been going strong in recent times
Funny thing is, they could've had the start of Batgirl's remorse with Oracle and Batman be that they're clearly frustrated (through body language) with her inability to process certain things (like language and social cues) and moments like Oracle blowing up in her are major moments in a separate context. They don't actually hate her or hate wanting to help her out, but that momentary anger can sometimes just be the breaking point when piled on top of other "thousand cuts" problems (like Spoiler being fired, David Cain's gift, and being close to Lady Shieva's death match).
There's a writer (who's name has lost me) that wrote a story with inspiration from his own difficulties with mental illness by writing a character who's sister privately (in a letter that the character later saw) vents about how frustrating it is to deal with someone who suffers from one. She still loves them, but the underlying issue still makes things difficult.
Also, what's with writers having a Batgirl get hit on by a criminal and having it feel like it's supposed to be a gender-reversed Batman/Catwoman dynamic? At least with Cassandra, she's been isolated from normal social interaction. Babs is just a victim of creepy terrible writing.
I love Cassandra Cain batgirl she’s really awesome and badass
DC's launching a new Cassie Cain series! Time to give this (another) rewatch 🤘
I'm really actually looking forward to a Stephanie Brown retrospective as I've heard a fair bit about her but don't know a lot about her. Same with Geoff Johns' Teen Titan's book.
I hadn't even heard of this character until the original video you did on her, so thanks for introducing me to one of the DC greats 😊
Lewis has really helped me rediscover my love for comics over the last few years. I had heard some talk about No Man's Land & Cassandra Cain as a character when it was first released, but didn't get a chance to really dive into the story until seeing this review when it first came out in 2019.
On a side note, maybe it's due to my exposure to "Crazy Steve" early on, but I assumed the "World's Greatest Detective" meme had a drunk Batman drinking from a bottle while loudly asking about The Joker.
Easily one of my favorite titles from during it's run. Cassie is one of my favorite heroes and was done real dirty by DC. For someone who really enjoyed Infinite Crisis, One Year Later, and 52 they did such a shit job with her that they tried to fix with a singe panel and failed.
luckily, Cass and steph got the bat symbol back, and have taken the mantle of batgirl together under Barbara in the new batgirls series. So far i think its really good.
I am curious what Linkara thinks of Wayne Family Adventure's inteperation of Cassandra
I’m glad this video put Cass into the spot light for a lot of people, not only does she deserve more respect and recognition, but so does her solo series which while not a 10/10 by any measures, was still an amazing story that had something to say and said it well
Bruce's speech in Road to No Man's Land made me love Batman because it shows his dedication to the city he loves.
I've been reading Batgirls and am really loving it. The art is wonderful and Tutor is interesting, at least his art work is. Can't wait to keep reading it :D
Hey, there is a new Batgirls comic. It's fun, there have been comments about odd characterization but at this point any Cassandra content is good Cassandra content.
42:29 That cut for pre and post A Voice in the Dark Linkara was *chef's kiss*
as always, thank you for doing all in one's.. they are a fantastic format :)
Rewatching this retrospective made me glad she had a place in the batfamily webtoon. She deserve it to be more know (plus the two chapter on her are really good).
This is the first video I've seen from you... Well, now I'm subbed .
Glad you enjoyed it and I hope you like more!
the whole "DC is run by Creative people" thing reminded me of one of DC's stupid decisions.
the aging up of Jon Kent.
I don't know if it was an executive decision but the one who defended himself the most was the writer of that decision Brian Michael Bendis.
I don't think Bendis understood why people loved Jon. I don't think he understood the sizable fanbase that was created over Supersons which sucks because Supersons is what got me into DC comics.
All because he thought the story of Superman's son wasn't as interesting if he was a 10 year old.
and what did we get from that decision?
another Legion of Superheroes book that has Superboy... whoopee...
Ever since Bendis left, Tom Taylor has been doing a great job picking up the pieces and letting us love Jon in a whole new way.
But DC still let Bendis make that story and they have been doing their damnest to keep Supersons fans satiated through the digital first comic.
but the question must be asked
why'd they let the story get passed in the first place?
Still one of my favorite multi-part deep dives.
And as much as I still hope for and look forward to one done for Stephanie Brown? I kinda want you to do one for Harper, if only because a) they're getting more attention lately being in Young Justice and b) I think they're probably the most interesting member of the Batfam, being one of the few who became a part of the Batfam by their own volition.
Also: Harper and Cass. OTP.
Nah. Cass/Steph/Tim OT3
Sheesh, I like Cassandra Cain as a character but why are writers so obsessed with turning Batman (and occasionally the rest of the Bat family, like here with Barbara) into such a Batdick?
Thanks for reminding people why you sometimes need the bean counter in a suit to tell the artist no.
This was a pretty fun retrospective.
And while I must admit, I'm not a comic book fan and I prefer Barbara as Batgirl, Cassandra is a really great character and her story is a powerful one, showing that despite how someone tries to raise and control another, life can still find a way and one can choose their own path. Cassandra was trained to be a killer since birth, but she didn't like killing after doing it once and choose a different and better life.
I was just watching through this last week! Great to see the all-in-one get released!
Cassandra is my favorite Batgirl too.
I hope DC solicits the Kelly Puckett run in omnibus format.
Cassandra Cain is a interesting character to learn about. Especially since she’s one of Batman’s daughters.
oh cool, this is an extensive retrospective. Awesome
I've rewatched this retrospective several times, and during this particular watch, I've been working on a "Year One" type story for Cass, essentially my take on her origin. I think I'm excited for this concept to the extent that I hope that more will come from this little idea of mine.
Oh my god, as someone from SEA country with limited knowledge of DC's heroes up to Justice League cartoon, seeing all those Batman supporting case made me soooo confuse.
I only know Batman's allies up to Jason Todd. I don't even know what happen to him until I found your AT4W blog 7+ years ago and you mentioned his fate in some videos. Hell, I only know about Nightwing from Teen Titans cartoon, and thought that was a joke about Robin become edgy brooding guy in the dark future episode!
I saw Cassandra as Whisper in Young Justice, which made me want to look into her story. Nice to see she’s been redeemed a bit.
Her code name is Orphan actually, but yeah she was good in that
What's funny about the plot point of Lex Luthor becoming President of the United States is referenced in Lego Batman 2's plot where his scheme involves him running for president.
This is getting referenced a lot in general. A joke about Lex presidency even was the final joke in the JLA/Power Rangers crossover.
25:07 im impressed you restrained yourself from making a Jason Todd joke there.
Never knew about Cassandra Cain before I saw this video and I'm really impressed how good of a character she is, having only read a handful of Batman comics like year one, long Halloween, dark knight returns, and the killing joke I would like to give Cassandra a shot
I love that the Harley Quinn show actually used the shutting off of Gotham City from the outside world as part of its second season’s premise.
okay. after watching this video with the whole history of Cassandra Cain,
and her Journey has Bat-Girl. well it's safe to say. I'm starting to like and get interested in Cass.
besides that. pretty good retrospective. loved all of the details.
5:28 This aged well.
Unfortunately.
1:51:43 Geoff Johns, he who holds creation in one hand and destruction on the other. We light the sacred fires, in the hopes that he might be appeased and wield his terrible power for good.
My last rewatch of this retrospective finally got me to buy the 2000 run of Batgirl. I'm really enjoying it so far
Definitely looking forward to you one day doing Geoff johns' teen titans retrospective
I only knew the Cliff's Notes version of Cassie before this, and this is a delight. Hopefully Lewis will have time to do that Stephanie Brown retrospective, that'll be fun.
I hope we see one of these some day for Nightwing. I feel like the impact he had on the larger world of comics, DC, and superheroes in general is something to behold. The most famous sidekick walking out of the shadow of his mentor. He's my favorite member of the Bat-Family and of course my favorite Superhero by far cuz his power, in my opinion, his just how good of a leader he is.
My favorite DC Character of all time
Barbara Gordon is the 2nd Batgirl! RESPECT TO BETTY KANE!
Betty Kane was Bat-Girl. The hyphen makes a difference.
You know.... With the Design of Cassandra Cain's Batgirl Outfit and how it looks in some of the Comics, Even in the No Man's land Series..... It's almost like a Rubber Outfit to an extent, Just imagine what it would be like in the DC Cinematic Universe, Only thing not made of Rubber about the Costume would be the Eyes and Mouth Guard.
Wow, making Cass a religious vigilante is pretty cool. Even I'm interested, and I'm usually only interested in Batman and Joker.
damn that transition from part 1 to part 2 was nearly seamless.
Big of Linkara to own up to the past. Beautiful bastard, love to see character development.
Quick note that adoption proceedings can take place at any age, and that adults being adopted is not at all unusual.
1:16:17
For anyone curious, especially since I think she's back to her original backstory again, what they did was make Nora Fries...NOT a Fries. She's Nora ROBERTS, the first test subject for cryonics, and Victor, in his deranged mental state, imagined himself as her husband, despite her being frozen decades before he was born(old enough to be his grandmother, according to Batman).
I found that to be an interesting bit myself, as it played into how most of the Bat-Gallery were people with direct mental disorders causing their issues, and thus, they COULD be helped, if they merely tried to help themselves. It's a thing brought up in that version, the New 52, of Batman...and then dropped like a hot potato because of stupid things they wanted to do. See also the two issues of New 52 batman that our host covered.
I enjoyed the video overall, my main objection being your declaration that nobody cares about the crime lords, i actually really like it when Batman and Spider-Man get into more street level crime like that.
I love the part at 2:00:45 where Linkara says "This is not love," referring to the gift of the knife which is really just a power-play rather than an act of affection. I wish it had come with a flashback to the fight between Bruce and Cass to say "This is love," when Bruce lets Cass beat the crap out of him because he knows it's what she needs.
Also, sorry Gail Simone's story never happened. It would have been fun, and Heaven knows my religion could use some good press these days.
It's an interesting concept, but you'd have to be very careful if you wanted to do it justice. It's also something that would have to stick with her as an aspect of her character, minor or major.
It could be an interesting point of connection with Azrael though. Man was made into a super soldier by a Christian cult.
@@bthsr7113 Yeah, and we all know how comics have the most insane love/hate relationship with stuff that affects their characters.
It's not good press but the treatment of religion in Animosity was really nice.
"Cassandra Cain is my favorite Batgirl"
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
1:51:54 To be fair to Geoff Johns his teen titans book is what got me into comics, Long story short, I was not in a good place mentally, actually being in a mental ward where I stumbled upon the first trade of his Titans book A Kids Game reading It had me smile for the first time in weeks , just from enjoying it.