@@sebastianevangelista4921 It wasn't with Jean, but didn't an X-Men member actually feel relieved when her father died because he was a member of the team when it happened, and she knew he'd be back eventually?
I don't mind the idea that the multiverse changes how it works over time, my view on it is "If you think you understand the multiverse, it takes that as a challenge", which also handily explains why different creative teams depict it differently. I do agree that having it at the tail end like this cheapens the previous adventures, that's something you should have right from the start.
It’s such a shame that Claremont couldn’t bring the same level of success to Exile he brought to X-Men back in the day. That said, everything before he took over is a great romp. Big Sci-Fi adventure series with a lot of drama and tragedy and character development. Very well done.
It was these reviews that got me to pick up that recent massively short-lived Exiles series. Also helped that it featured an alt Kamala Khan and came out at the height of my love for the character.
The Exiles can be a ton of fun and are probably my personal favorite multiverse story out there. So many good stories. I did a reread of the whole shebang about a year ago and enjoyed it just as much as my first time through
Spider-Man 2099 being part of a group that fixes broken realities by ensuring their timelines go the way they're supposed to? Brilliant plan, no way Miguel could take the wrong lessons from that!
So we’re in agreement- Lewis needs to cover Saladin Ahmed’s Exiles run ASAP. Let him gawk over grizzled Kamala Khannor, chibi Wolverine and OG Captain Carter to his heart’s content!
Fun-Filled Fact: The designation for the canonical Marvel continuity was established by Alan Moore during his Captain Britain run. Given how 616 is an alternate reading of the Number of the Beast (and that Moore was pissed over Marvel’s legal dispute with Marvelman/Miracleman at the time) you can read this as his own subtle way of throwing shade at the company.
True. Odd that 616 is fairly mild. Like, tons of universes where the universe itself is so much worse. The cancerverse for instance. But also the Mutant X universe as well.
Moore's run on Captain Britain was a fun time, especially during that era right before the British Invasion in comics where the UK had it's own weird Marvel continuity going on which was still canon to the rest with only occasional crossover (both in universe and in being published in both territories!)
I suspect that the MCU will get canceled and possibly retooled before that happens. There's definitely some serious audience fatigue with superhero films now.
@@gracekim25 Why not? The MCU is a bloated mess with convoluted plot points that require audiences to have seen several dozen other film and six to eight shows on Disney Plus at this point. Wave Five is doing badly because audiences are burned out by everything. Ending the current MCU and starting a line of new movies that give new viewers an easy entrance point would be a good idea.
Jean Gray was actually pulled from an alternate wheel of time, where she was meant to be the dragon reborn, by the time broker. Which is why she will live and die a multitude of times.
1:01:44 It's taken me years to realize this, but: the orange jumpsuits the characters are wearing in the giant monster world are the Science Patrol uniforms from Ultraman. This was DECADES before Marvel acquired the Ultraman license, so someone working on the book was a serious tokusatsu fan :)
It's funny how the villain of the Exiles is the Time Breaker, because the villainous organization that's opposing the Time Patrol in extended Dragon Ball content (like Xenoverse) are called the Time Breakers.
I always loved the Exiles comics. The continuous changes to the roster, starring role for one of my favourties in Mimic and the way-out-there stories. I had a short time of hope that DIsney would jump on the Loki/TVA bandwagen and create an exiles series based on variants that get unhinged after pruning of their home worlds. Helas, it was not to be.
…well shit, suddenly we’d get a version of Exiles with an actual Gambit this time. Hell, depending on how Secret Wars ends, they’d be a perfect team to use post-Multiverse Saga.
The original reviews had such an impact on me… I might have… kinda sorta… written a 350 page fan novel inspired by it, using the “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” characters. And then I went and wrote sequels to it… And I gave Daisy a sister from another timeline long before the show did. (Though in my case, adopting her variant as her twin sister)
Considering we get to see Mary Jane as Spider-Woman at one point, now I wanna see a future episode of the "What If?" Series where we see the MCU's MJ as Spider-Woman. Would be interesting to see in my opinion
Exiles was such a interesting series and tons of fun an honestly part of me would've actually really loved for marvel to make another team of exiles that stars yes some members of the original team again but also adding new members like Mayday parker Spider-girl the daughter of Peter parker and mary jane a version of X-23 aka laura kenny as wolverine Nightcrawler Daughter yes blink and finally bring back morph again also adding American dream from mc2 universe would be freaking fantastic and tons of fun at least in my opinion, however knowing marvel comics these days I don't see them ever doing that sadly. Which is just sad in my opinion because exiles unlike the web warriors which failed badly was a far better concept and a well executed team book that was ten times better then the web warriors ever did in there entire series from start to finish at least in my opinion but that's just me and my thoughts on this team as a whole.
I am a huge fan of the eXiles. Was at my LCS and saw the cover of issue #18 (Morph as Elvis Presley), and it was love at 1st sight. I bought every issue afterwards and bought the first two trades and some comics to get me caught up. It was my favorite ongoing at the time. And what Claremont did to that title was criminal. Marvel made devil of a blunder allowing him anywhere near the eXiles. Jeff Parker series had me hopeful but it was cancelled before it could really get going. Thanks for taking me down memory lane to a time I got back into comics. I hope Marvel gives us an Omnibus of this run, even issues #90-#100 included.
as usual your interspective is unmatched in so many ways and I know that because I rarilly watch videos with stories like this... Most of these stories have no point and they are money grabs and they just put a bunch of crap together.... as you said it started out real good as many stories do but eventially they just becomes a list of nouns they need or want to cover.
I remember reading Exiles when it was ongoing, but while I still remember details of the first couple writers' runs, I didn't remember a single thing about Claremont's time on this book until watching this retrospective. I think that says something. Also, after watching this retrospective, I remember how annoyed I was at the book for sidelining Nocturne with a stroke. Because it was the exact same thing that had happened to Jolt in Thunderbolts.
Dude, are you me? I also only had a smattering of comics, I also really only followed Exiles as my first on going comic, and I also stopped reading when after a few issues of Claremont 😮
Connor Goldsmith's podcast Cerebro is super helpful with explaining X-Men lore if you're at all interested. I especially recommend the episodes on Nathaniel Essex and Victor Creed because the guests had a lot of wonderful insight.
Interesting to see the origin of this title. Now, in the Krakoa era, the Exiles is the name of a team of former inmates in the pit of Krakoa made to retrieve and recapture Sabretooth. It has recent breakout stars like Nanny and Orphanmaker from the Hellions run. It also has 2010’s character Oya and, surprisingly one of the breakout stars of the book, Nekra. Gotta be honest, considering her origins with the Mandrill, I do love what writers have been doing with her.
I doubt that he'll see this, but Linkara I just finished Power Rangers Cosmic Fury on Netflix & can't wait for your History Of Power Rangers video of it.
Hey, Linkara. I know this retrospective is old, so I don't know if you have read it by now, but I think the original run of Excalibur by Claremont and Davis would be right up your alley. It always seemed to me the spiritual antecessor to Exiles. I also think part of the direction Claremont took the book seens to be a reaction to the fact that there was no need for the bugs or Timekeeper for he developed in Excalibur the concept of Omniverse and its Guardians - which plays the same part as those entities in Exiles - from Alan Moore's run in Captain Britain. It puts his run in more context. And it's incredibly fun.
hopefully but knowing marvel these days i don't see that happening however I am hoping I am wrong and that does change but we shall see in the future if that happens.
@@cameoshadowness7757 indeed and believe me I wished I was wrong I really do because damn it seeing are marvel heroes not fight each other just once would be fantastic and tons of fun at least in my opinion.
I always love seeing these all in one videos (Update now I wish they could revisit this concept and have a version of Nature Girl that's actually tolerable)
"With the way this family tree is going I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonic the hedgehog in there." as it turns out Scott Summers actor from the early x-men films is Sonic's dad in the Sonic live action movies, so I guess he's technically in there
I remember getting into Exiles during the late 90s and early 2000s with it being one of those fun books which was rarely the highlight of the books out that month but was always consistently good. Then Claremont took over and it became just... well yeah the video covers that. A shame as his classic X-Men stuff was very much defining for the team and a lot of the characters for awhile.
I actually read some of these and I always thought that the time broker was lying to them about the collective consciousness thing. I'm hoping to be vindicated by the end of this video.
12:29 you know.. with a bit of Fantasy the Time Broker kinda looks like JonTron.. and Magnus kinda resembles Arin Hanson.. and Now I'm in the Mood for OG Game Grumbs
Sadly a few once acclaimed writers just weren't able to adjust dialogue and writing in the new millennium. Claremont, Lobdell, DeFalco, especially Dematteis. When Scott Lobdell was given Teen tians in the New 52 it was a 2012 comic with 1994 level over written dialogue. Not everything needs to be a novel in 22 pages. But as they say, "no quarter given, no quarter asked". The only notable writer I believe edited for the times was Fabian Nicieza.
Even when your name is Apocalypse, you don't name your kid Holocaust. If only for the dirty looks the Comic-fans will get whenever they talk about it... And don't even ask me about the export to Germany 😕
Well……..!AAAAHH……..? Ammmmmh! Alrighty then I guess I can safely assume that I sorta welllllll Don’t understand why this comic book is so popular if you hate it so much?
Considering Jean Grey has died *again* this year, that joke just gets funnier.
So that's the...what, third time now? Man, the Grim Reaper must be *pissed off* with her.
The Phoenix episode of Death Battle said that she's officially died 16 times.
@@sebastianevangelista4921 Is that right? Holy cow!
@@davidmelon9409 By this point no one in universe should feel any sadness when she dies because of the expectation that she'll inevitably come back.
@@sebastianevangelista4921 It wasn't with Jean, but didn't an X-Men member actually feel relieved when her father died because he was a member of the team when it happened, and she knew he'd be back eventually?
I am very used to people calling the main Marvel universe six-one-six so Lewis saying "six-sixteen" caught me off guard lol
Ah he mentions it lol
I don't mind the idea that the multiverse changes how it works over time, my view on it is "If you think you understand the multiverse, it takes that as a challenge", which also handily explains why different creative teams depict it differently. I do agree that having it at the tail end like this cheapens the previous adventures, that's something you should have right from the start.
It’s such a shame that Claremont couldn’t bring the same level of success to Exile he brought to X-Men back in the day.
That said, everything before he took over is a great romp. Big Sci-Fi adventure series with a lot of drama and tragedy and character development. Very well done.
His 2014- 2015 Nightcrawler Solo Book is really good.
It was these reviews that got me to pick up that recent massively short-lived Exiles series. Also helped that it featured an alt Kamala Khan and came out at the height of my love for the character.
Iman Vellani’s current miniseries is also really good. Though I’m waiting for Marvel to go all in on a Kamala Khan Spider-Verse event in the future.
Ooh awesome
The Exiles can be a ton of fun and are probably my personal favorite multiverse story out there. So many good stories. I did a reread of the whole shebang about a year ago and enjoyed it just as much as my first time through
Spider-Man 2099 being part of a group that fixes broken realities by ensuring their timelines go the way they're supposed to? Brilliant plan, no way Miguel could take the wrong lessons from that!
Considering that Exiles Miguel was killed in the lead up to the original Spiderverse, probably not.
So we’re in agreement- Lewis needs to cover Saladin Ahmed’s Exiles run ASAP. Let him gawk over grizzled Kamala Khannor, chibi Wolverine and OG Captain Carter to his heart’s content!
Tiny Wolvie was just too adorable and pure. It was a pretty big surprise the first time I came across him
Wait, there's a new New Exiles?! 😮
@@whynaut1 Came out in 2018. Not exactly new, but good run.
This and Cassandra Cains batgirl are my two favorite retrospectives you've done
Fun-Filled Fact: The designation for the canonical Marvel continuity was established by Alan Moore during his Captain Britain run. Given how 616 is an alternate reading of the Number of the Beast (and that Moore was pissed over Marvel’s legal dispute with Marvelman/Miracleman at the time) you can read this as his own subtle way of throwing shade at the company.
True. Odd that 616 is fairly mild. Like, tons of universes where the universe itself is so much worse.
The cancerverse for instance. But also the Mutant X universe as well.
I mean. Namora is an existing character.
Nova dated.her in 616.
Eh. Poor use of Psyoch isn't anything new at least.
Moore's run on Captain Britain was a fun time, especially during that era right before the British Invasion in comics where the UK had it's own weird Marvel continuity going on which was still canon to the rest with only occasional crossover (both in universe and in being published in both territories!)
You know, with how the MCU is getting into the multiverse this saga, I'm amazed there hasn't been an Exiles movie or show announced.
My guess is that's something they might do in Phase 5 since they've hinted the X-Men are planned for that.
I suspect that the MCU will get canceled and possibly retooled before that happens. There's definitely some serious audience fatigue with superhero films now.
@@Macrocheniano it’s not getting ‘cancelled’
@@gracekim25 Why not? The MCU is a bloated mess with convoluted plot points that require audiences to have seen several dozen other film and six to eight shows on Disney Plus at this point. Wave Five is doing badly because audiences are burned out by everything. Ending the current MCU and starting a line of new movies that give new viewers an easy entrance point would be a good idea.
@@Macrochenia Disney is too proud to admit failure. They'll crash Marvel and Star Wars into the ground before admitting the quality is trash
Wait the Kaiju Earth is just how the Monsterverse versions of Godzilla and crew work, a natural defense system for the Earth against dangers
1:01:42 oh my god, they're wearing Science Patrol Uniforms from Ultraman, as a tokusatsu fan, that is freaking awesome
This is a great thing to listen to while retrieving shopping carts
Jean Gray was actually pulled from an alternate wheel of time, where she was meant to be the dragon reborn, by the time broker. Which is why she will live and die a multitude of times.
1:01:44
It's taken me years to realize this, but: the orange jumpsuits the characters are wearing in the giant monster world are the Science Patrol uniforms from Ultraman. This was DECADES before Marvel acquired the Ultraman license, so someone working on the book was a serious tokusatsu fan :)
I cannot tell you how happy I am that you covered the Exlies.
Perhaps the best intro on UA-cam.
Ah, one of my favorite look backs. I've been looking for an excuse to watch this one again!
The retrospective that got me into one of my favorite comic book series of all time. I love Exciles and hope we get another series some time soon
It's funny how the villain of the Exiles is the Time Breaker, because the villainous organization that's opposing the Time Patrol in extended Dragon Ball content (like Xenoverse) are called the Time Breakers.
I think Exiles expanded the Marvel Multiverse more than anything else...
Been waiting for my fix of Sliders meets Superheroes.
I always loved the Exiles comics. The continuous changes to the roster, starring role for one of my favourties in Mimic and the way-out-there stories.
I had a short time of hope that DIsney would jump on the Loki/TVA bandwagen and create an exiles series based on variants that get unhinged after pruning of their home worlds. Helas, it was not to be.
I wonder if this is what Deadpool 3 is angling towards, we saw him make x force in the last movie, this one will involve the exiles
…well shit, suddenly we’d get a version of Exiles with an actual Gambit this time.
Hell, depending on how Secret Wars ends, they’d be a perfect team to use post-Multiverse Saga.
the multiverse is a vast and expansive idea, and fascinating to explore
The original reviews had such an impact on me… I might have… kinda sorta… written a 350 page fan novel inspired by it, using the “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” characters.
And then I went and wrote sequels to it…
And I gave Daisy a sister from another timeline long before the show did. (Though in my case, adopting her variant as her twin sister)
I love Marvel's Agents of S. H. I E. L. D.!!
uh...i want to read this. I love AoS
@@calsh14 It keeps deleting my replies to you... The title is "Agents of SHIELD: Operation Exiles".
Ooo cool
Exiles is my favourite group. I hope someday they made a series about them. I really love Mimic!
Back in 2018 but only returning member is blink and 2 former members get guest spots
@@lostmediadetective2590 i mean... a tv show
@@Guarlaon oh then in that case please specify
@@lostmediadetective2590 english isn't my mother language... so sometimes i made mistakes, because "series" is more tv show in portuguese
@@Guarlaon I thought you meant comic series and not television series oops
Considering we get to see Mary Jane as Spider-Woman at one point, now I wanna see a future episode of the "What If?" Series where we see the MCU's MJ as Spider-Woman. Would be interesting to see in my opinion
I loved the Saladin Ahmed run of Exiles. Shame it didn't last long. A fate shared with prior runs of Exiles as well.
Exiles was such a interesting series and tons of fun an honestly part of me would've actually really loved for marvel to make another team of exiles that stars yes some members of the original team again but also adding new members like Mayday parker Spider-girl the daughter of Peter parker and mary jane a version of X-23 aka laura kenny as wolverine Nightcrawler Daughter yes blink and finally bring back morph again also adding American dream from mc2 universe would be freaking fantastic and tons of fun at least in my opinion, however knowing marvel comics these days I don't see them ever doing that sadly. Which is just sad in my opinion because exiles unlike the web warriors which failed badly was a far better concept and a well executed team book that was ten times better then the web warriors ever did in there entire series from start to finish at least in my opinion but that's just me and my thoughts on this team as a whole.
I just realized that the suits of the Kaiju world look like they came from the OG ultraman series.
I'd heard Claremont killed this book, but Jesus Christ, I had no idea that he butchered it to this degree.
The sooner the bad writers are put to pasture the better.
Superheroes, Sliders AND Quantum Leap? Jeez I'm getting all hot and bothered
Nice recap.
I thought the implication was that Nocturne had a termination, unable or unwilling to go on with it all without her Proudstar.
I am a huge fan of the eXiles. Was at my LCS and saw the cover of issue #18 (Morph as Elvis Presley), and it was love at 1st sight. I bought every issue afterwards and bought the first two trades and some comics to get me caught up.
It was my favorite ongoing at the time. And what Claremont did to that title was criminal. Marvel made devil of a blunder allowing him anywhere near the eXiles. Jeff Parker series had me hopeful but it was cancelled before it could really get going.
Thanks for taking me down memory lane to a time I got back into comics.
I hope Marvel gives us an Omnibus of this run, even issues #90-#100 included.
1:00:40 Wait, don’t they have access to at least one Deadpool?
as usual your interspective is unmatched in so many ways and I know that because I rarilly watch videos with stories like this... Most of these stories have no point and they are money grabs and they just put a bunch of crap together.... as you said it started out real good as many stories do but eventially they just becomes a list of nouns they need or want to cover.
I really liked this and I would love to hear about other great unknown marvel teams.
Surprised this series never interacted with Spider-verse
This was long before Spiderverse was a thing.
Picking up the '09 Exiles series from a local comic-dealer and being so completely lost I had to look up this video.
I remember reading Exiles when it was ongoing, but while I still remember details of the first couple writers' runs, I didn't remember a single thing about Claremont's time on this book until watching this retrospective. I think that says something.
Also, after watching this retrospective, I remember how annoyed I was at the book for sidelining Nocturne with a stroke. Because it was the exact same thing that had happened to Jolt in Thunderbolts.
Dude, are you me? I also only had a smattering of comics, I also really only followed Exiles as my first on going comic, and I also stopped reading when after a few issues of Claremont 😮
Connor Goldsmith's podcast Cerebro is super helpful with explaining X-Men lore if you're at all interested. I especially recommend the episodes on Nathaniel Essex and Victor Creed because the guests had a lot of wonderful insight.
Interesting to see the origin of this title.
Now, in the Krakoa era, the Exiles is the name of a team of former inmates in the pit of Krakoa made to retrieve and recapture Sabretooth.
It has recent breakout stars like Nanny and Orphanmaker from the Hellions run. It also has 2010’s character Oya and, surprisingly one of the breakout stars of the book, Nekra.
Gotta be honest, considering her origins with the Mandrill, I do love what writers have been doing with her.
I got about 10 minutes into the video and was like “Why am I just not reading this. It sound s awesome”.
28:50 MCU's Black Widow is screaming in utter agony now and she doesn't know why.
"BE MORE INTERESTING!"
I doubt that he'll see this, but Linkara I just finished Power Rangers Cosmic Fury on Netflix & can't wait for your History Of Power Rangers video of it.
Hey, Linkara. I know this retrospective is old, so I don't know if you have read it by now, but I think the original run of Excalibur by Claremont and Davis would be right up your alley. It always seemed to me the spiritual antecessor to Exiles. I also think part of the direction Claremont took the book seens to be a reaction to the fact that there was no need for the bugs or Timekeeper for he developed in Excalibur the concept of Omniverse and its Guardians - which plays the same part as those entities in Exiles - from Alan Moore's run in Captain Britain. It puts his run in more context. And it's incredibly fun.
I love the all in one episodes here are my top 3 I would like (that are not recent)
3 Amazons attack
2 count down
1 Ultimatum/Ultimate 3
Hopefully the marvel multiverse has a event where the heroes fight a villain instead of each other
hopefully but knowing marvel these days i don't see that happening however I am hoping I am wrong and that does change but we shall see in the future if that happens.
Yeah... :(
@@cameoshadowness7757 indeed and believe me I wished I was wrong I really do because damn it seeing are marvel heroes not fight each other just once would be fantastic and tons of fun at least in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolka time to write some fan fiction about it since it's never gonna be canon! (I hope I'm wrong)
@@cameoshadowness7757 lol that's true and honestly I am hoping we are both wrong on this one. :)
I always love seeing these all in one videos (Update now I wish they could revisit this concept and have a version of Nature Girl that's actually tolerable)
"With the way this family tree is going I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonic the hedgehog in there." as it turns out Scott Summers actor from the early x-men films is Sonic's dad in the Sonic live action movies, so I guess he's technically in there
I love that they keep covering tanaraq's groin in those panels confirming he's hanging dong
OneyNG Brought me here. You made me stay.
This is my favorite set of comics
I remember getting into Exiles during the late 90s and early 2000s with it being one of those fun books which was rarely the highlight of the books out that month but was always consistently good. Then Claremont took over and it became just... well yeah the video covers that. A shame as his classic X-Men stuff was very much defining for the team and a lot of the characters for awhile.
I actually read some of these and I always thought that the time broker was lying to them about the collective consciousness thing. I'm hoping to be vindicated by the end of this video.
More comps please! Literal bedtime fuel....judge away, if need be.
Exlies reminds me of power rangers eras if you think about it😂😂
Linkara is there going to be a part 2? You didn't cover Peggy Carter Captain America in any of the most resent Exiles. Would like to see it
Do you guys think it's weird that the basic plot sounds like the DC's Legends of Tomorrow?
Also, is there an official AT4W subreddit?
I’d love to see a cry for justice/rise of arsenal compilation to see the reviews without the storyline stuff (not that I don’t like that stuff)
It's always amazing how a bad writer can ruin things.
Where are the TVA during all this?
1:01:16 THE SSSP FROM ULTRAMAN?!?!
0:50 So Quantum leap but with the multiverse.
Friendly reminder, any universe where Susan Storm hates Reed Richards is a good universe.
Given we've gotten the Disney + series Marvel's What If, why can't we get a Marvel's Exile series like that? Someone needs to pitch it to Marvel.
Unfortunately, the last episode of What If is probably the closest we'll get to seeing Exiles in the MCU...
12:29 you know.. with a bit of Fantasy the Time Broker kinda looks like JonTron.. and Magnus kinda resembles Arin Hanson.. and Now I'm in the Mood for OG Game Grumbs
I'm surprised you don't swap out the Intros with your new one when you do these compilation episodes
Sadly a few once acclaimed writers just weren't able to adjust dialogue and writing in the new millennium. Claremont, Lobdell, DeFalco, especially Dematteis. When Scott Lobdell was given Teen tians in the New 52 it was a 2012 comic with 1994 level over written dialogue. Not everything needs to be a novel in 22 pages. But as they say, "no quarter given, no quarter asked". The only notable writer I believe edited for the times was Fabian Nicieza.
missed opportunity not to have Exiles as a TV show or movie in Phase 4 given the focus on the multiverse
Could be phase 5 since they've implied the X-Men content will be coming during that.
especially since CW showed how popular it could get with Legends of Tommorow basically just being exiles but time travel and DC
@@Fanatic_Foremem RIP Snart
Ooooo history time 😊
6.10.23
Eh. A Baron Blood and Steve Cap would be best if the liberators thing. Which the MCU doesn't really allow.
I mean. Plenty of bad versions of Hyperion. Like them being "evil".
Pretty sad that Claremont did such a bad job.
Jean grey just sucks at everything. Even dying and everyone does that.
Even when your name is Apocalypse, you don't name your kid Holocaust.
If only for the dirty looks the Comic-fans will get whenever they talk about it... And don't even ask me about the export to Germany 😕
Well……..!AAAAHH……..? Ammmmmh! Alrighty then
I guess I can safely assume that I sorta welllllll Don’t understand why this comic book is so popular if you hate it so much?
???
I don't?