Why the BMCC 6k FF will be a cult classic
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:49 Physical design
1:28 Menu run through
3:17 Blackmagic RAW
4:04 Resolutions and crop
4:28 Rolling shutter
4:56 L mount
5:10 Grading demo
12:25 The value of the BMCC6k FF
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Just bought it! $1,700 after taxes during the sale, easiest purchase of the year. I'm excited what I'll produce with it.
Congrats!
same here 😁. Just can't decide which lens I should get. I only own E mount lenses. Will rent and try a lens from the local store when the camera arrives.
@@gamepat9 go vintage!!
greak. new models are coming soon too
Your timing is impeccable, just bought one with the discount and can’t wait to try it out
I know, so weird the discount happened the same day
This video sold me as well. I didn’t hear about the original price drop but I watched about three videos including yours before making the purchase. This will be my first dedicated cinema camera as well as my first Blackmagic product and I am pumped. Thanks!
14:15 man talk about PERFECT TIMING! lmao
I know! It's so weird
Hey, great video! Any lens recommendation for the full frame?
Jake does it again! Love ya, Brother. Cheers, everyone.
Thanks for the kind words, really appreciate it
Great video. This camera is already a classic. I totally agree with you; people will be talking about this camera for years to come.
Thanks! Yeah I'm wondering if it becomes a fan favorite. I'm especially excited to see the price fall on the used market after this big discount Blackmagic just announced yesterday
@@jakehayden998 Def! Me too! I love the part when you are grading the low light footage. Ive heard so many complaints about how bad this camera is in low light but i don’t see it. I feel that it gets balanced out with more light hitting the sensor so you don’t have to use as much of the higher ISO settings. But either way the noise has a nice texture.
The rolling shutter is one of the few things I hate about it. I shot a short with it and we did have a whip pan. Mostly not an issue obviously. Other than that, it’s pretty great, especially at the price point.
This is what I've been saying!! Everyone wanted to complain about this camera when it first came out, and while there are legitimate gripes to be had, there is no "perfect camera". That being said, this camera has hands down the best image quality that has ever come out of BM's more consumer-oriented models, which is really the biggest thing that matters at the end of the day. Right up there with the sigma fp in my opinion, and I have a feeling that this will be the new "standard" for budget cinema camera image quality for years to come. Love the vid‼️
just purchased this camera, any lens recommendation for travel? what lens did you use on this video?
I shot with my Red Epic M / Dragon for 12 years now and shooting with a box camera looks and feels cool but it kind of a pain when rolling solo. A few years ago I bought a BMPCC 4k and I felt like I have more freedom with the form factor while shooting.
I'm sorry, what are those wild looking accessories you have rigged to your FF in the thumbnail, that follow focus looks wild
It’s an Edelkrone FocusONE. I’m still testing it out but I really really like it so far
Great vid. When you input your focal length for gyro data - do you have to factor the crop/ and speed booster multiple?? Thanks in advance
For example if I’m using the p4k (1.9x crop) with a .64 speed booster and a 35 mm manual lens- would my focal length be 42.5?
That’s a really good question. I didn’t get to test it out for certain, but I if I had to guess I would say you’ll have to do the math and factor in the booster
You mean when you shoot in apsc?
Hey! Have you ever use Super 16 glass on this Full Frame 6k on the Super 16 mode? Or shot on it in general? Wondering what the image is like, noise etc. And also: Do you know if it's IR filter is more resistant to mold than the Pocket 6k and 4k? (Which are very prone to that in more humid environments.
I have no idea how the mold resistance is, but I'll keep an eye on it going forward, thanks for the heads up. Michigan isn't terribly humid year round but I'll definitely keep in mind anyway here.
As far as 16mm glass- I haven't tried it on this sensor, but I'm sure it would work great, especially since it's l-mount and you can adapt almost anything. The noise will seem "bigger" than in a higher res mode but honestly when shooting with 16mm glass you might actually want to go for a 16mm film look with extra grain. Maybe I'll do a video on this in the future
Is there a way to turn off the proxy recording? Or is that auto? If you know let me know.
It just got discounted! Interested in the rumored lumix s9?
Yeah I had no idea they were going to do a discount today, what a funny coincidence.
I am very interested in the rumored LUMIX S9. I’ll be keeping my eyes out for it, I would love to get it in the studio for review
Damn, this is my dream camera. Its really expensive here in the philippines
They cut the price in half on Adorama
Contact your official bmd reseller, they should also have the price cut of 40%!
Peace to you, Jake. I like that BMD named the cube camera Pyxis because it’s a new name for a new camera platform.
Yeah I'm hoping the name grows on me. Right now I'm trying to get used to saying it. It's even worse if there are multiple of them and you have to use the name plural: PYXIS'S or PYXIS 6ks is hard to say haha
@@jakehayden998 HAHA
Man I hope it can stay at that price, at least a few more times before Summer's up!
What is the follow focus system on the thumbnail?
on the ursa you can only shoot the entire sensor in lower resolutions when shooting prores. I'll shoot prores for media management because I don't have to window/ crop the sensor. Is that the case with the 6k ff?
I have the original BMPCC 6K with the Tilta screen mod, on board SSD and man, its my everyday walk around camera. Smaller than the 6K FF, it carries like a DSLR. I'm likely to get the inbuilt speed booster to get close to the FF field of view and by then it becomes a hot rod powerhouse that pumps BRAW and PRORES. This camera has changed me.
I feel like people who like the Pocket 6k/6k pro shouldn't bother upgrading.
I did because I been rocking the Pocket 4k sense release for one reason only (Ok two the USB C broke on it) Lens mounts. I been wanting what I have already but a bigger censor with mirrorless lens mounts like the 4k. Mirrorless Lens mounts are the easiest to adapt. EF is fine but it feels like more and more brands are Ditching EF for mirrorless and EF is harder to adapt because of it's Fringe Distance.
@@Breonnick Exactly why I got mine. The image of the 4K still holds up but being able to use all the new EF/PL lenses with open gate was just too tasty.
@vividstudio4651 do you know if and where I can get the Tilta flip screen mod professionally done on my newly just purchased BM 6k Full Frame cam? I have a P4K with this mod and fucking love it! Now I want it on my new 6K full frame. Feel free to lmk if you have any leads, thanks!
After reviewing all those cameras, which one would you purchase today under 2000$. I have the bmcc6k, s5iix, sigma fp, r6ii and fx30 in my cart lol , im just browsing youtube and vimeo looking at image quality, but just wanna know what you think. Thanks.
Depends if you want true run and gun, or want to rig it up. As tempting as the BMCC deal is, the "one man band" ability of the S5II(X) is a better fit for me.
@@A388Flyer thank you responding ♥️
I will keep an eye out for it in second hand stores in ten years. That’s how I roll, I just picked up a Sony A7S for a bargain, yes I’m ten years behind but I don’t care, it still looks like the brand new Sony A7Siii
Just bought a full frame with a 40% discount. So you were right.
I picked one up too haha that 40% off is crazy
I couldn’t resist either. Plus I was already looking for the Studio licence!
What's that follow focus tool showed up in the thumbnail?
I just picked up this camera as they DISCOUNTED IT BY 40% (nice prediction by the way)! I was looking at the pyxis for some point in the future, but it became impossible the argue with the discounted price of the CC6k. If I really like the image, I could still see myself getting the pyxis and then this camera will be an excellent B-cam.
I picked one up too, I couldn't help it. I think for now I'm planning on using a PYXIS as my A-cam and the CC6k as my B-cam. I was planning on going with a pocket 6k for a B-cam because they are only ~$1500 but thank god for this new discount on the CC6k. Fun times
So, how did this go, you posted the video, they saw it let you know there was a big discount? OR You posted and went to find the link and saw the discount? How do you know the discount is just for today? I can't find that information on the page.
I scheduled the video because I’ve been wanting to make this video for a while now, and Blackmagic just happened to do their discount today completely separately, which worked out perfectly.
I can’t remember where I read it was a one day only thing. I know it’s definitely a time-dependent sale for sure
Dude! Thanks for the Davinci tutorial along with the detailed camera overview. I took advantage of the sale to nab this camera, just as I did 11 years ago. I hemmed and hawed over other cameras, mainly the S5iix for BRAW out since I own the BM VA 12G. But in the end, I love their menus and the whole sensor in a box routine. I was going to go with Pyxis, but the value at this price is too much. Also, with the Pyxis I'd want the viewfinder and that's more than the 6k FF camera! The only thing I would like is IBIS, but I'm hoping that the gyro data can help with that. I'll be using Contax glass (Duclos EF) so hoping that will be my ticket. But you hit it, it's the BM look that has some filmic magic so all those other features are just...noise really.
you recommend getting the video assist? I got this deal and the s5ii
@@ThatGuyOverThereWeird I love the Video Assist, I've been using with my Pocket OG for a few years. I thought it was interesting that Panasonic S5iix could record BRAW to it.
@@dollhausenx can you control the black magic camera with video assist? Mainly toggle autofocus on screen, record button, false colors? Trying to record myself so not behind the camera.
I'm so tempted even tho i really want the Pyxis
For double the price
Does your BMCC6k FF Unit have any Fix Pattern Noise / Horizontal Banding Noise Issues?
I am interested in purchasing this camera but basically every single review/video I've seen so far of this camera since it's release has mentioned awful fix pattern noise, noise smearing, and noise banding issues. You are literally the only person I've ever heard say they like the noise, and have not brought up any issues. Are you aware of these issues and fully confident that none are present in your model? Have you used other BMPCC6k variants and have a point of reference for the noise output?
I am really interested in this camera but the noise issues are a complete deal breaker.
I actually didn't notice any FPN or banding in any of the footage I shot. I'll test this further in the next couple of weeks though, I know some people have certainly noticed it in their BMCC6ks. I'm wondering if it's been helped with firmware updates maybe? Maybe sensor calibration helps? All things I would like to test out and get answers to. The look of the normal grain itself I am very attracted to, I know that for sure
@@jakehayden998 I feel like it kinda jumps right out at you, so if you haven't noticed it yet your camera probably doesn't have it. Unless you haven't really used the camera much yet, in that case I would really appreciate it if you shot a couple lowlight scenes all at different ISO's and posted it to UA-cam! I'm sure it would be interesting for a lot of people to see, considering the only stuff on YT about this camera and it's lowlight capabilities shows the HVBN issue.
I've had mine since early December last year and not noticed any such issues so I wonder if it is a problem just affecting some units, and I always check all my footage projected big after grading to make sure there are no issues that might be harder to notice on the 24 inch screen I edit on. I always make sure to light properly when shooting in low light conditions though.
Bro what is that sleek looking black follow focus in the thumbnail??
Originally I was gonna save up for the Pyxis..... but the full frame at 1500. Yea you got a deal black magic.
I know, I totally picked one up too. Hard to pass that one up
@@jakehayden998 Maybe ill get the pyxis if they do this with that camera in the near future.
Just bought the 4k.... Now Wondering if i should have just shelled out the extra
The 4k is really awesome too, really depends on the lenses you’re using I think. What lenses do you have?
@@jakehayden998 mostly older vintage lenses that I have adapted to either EF or N and put on a speed booster ( I have both of the metabones bmpcc EF and n versions because I have the og also) or just directly to mft
Nikkor 105 f2.5
Nikkor 28 f2.8
Helios 44 2
A few vivitar fd lenses etc.
Oo and a bunch of cmount lenses that mostly don't work very well at all lol
Lol the 6k FF just went on sale for $1,500
@@Studiotek :( what was it before?
@@AmateurGameReview $2,595
Were you able to look into the future?
the biggest issue is the BMCC 6k Full frame has no prores . Same goes for the PYXIS which is unfortunate . I still find myself loving the Ursa mini 4.6k G1 and G2 and the bmpcc 6k pro which are excellent .
Yeah I agree, ProRes really would have been a great addition. Here's to hoping they add it in a future firmware update (Unfortunately I doubt it though)
@@jakehayden998 too bad they chose that route . BM having internal prores was a huge advantage in the professional film world .
@@jakehayden998 Im wondering if you can record prores externally via the black magic assist or some other external device for the clients who wants prores.
yeah I don't think they will add it through firmware since they probably removed it to keep the cost down. I never used prores on these BRAW cameras since BRAW in the higher compression rates is smaller than prores, but I understand the issue if clients or people you work with need to have the files in prores.
Price cut today. Good call.
I was so shocked this morning when I saw that, what a coincidence
i wish someday they put IBIS on bmpcc..
no AF no problem, for me
Have you tried the gyro stabilization? Which cameras with IBIS have you used and which ones do you prefer? I'm always curious which IBIS systems people like
@@jakehayden998S1H IBIS is amazing even years later
The pocket is the best gimbal camera.
what camera was the talking head stuff shot on?
Canon c200 and Leica Elmarit-R 35mm
@@jakehayden998 isn't that lens an L mount? did you use an adapter
@willkeiser215 it’s an old vintage lens that uses Leica R mount so I had to pick up an L mount to R mount adapter
Wouldn’t “cult” classic imply it’s not getting widespread use? Cult classic means “niche classic” basically. The black magic has been pretty popular and pretty widely used
Diode is my #2 favorite
I’ve got a lot of noise in my hair too
@jx3Mom that’s your best one yet, mom
Oh, you have shots of me 😂
😁
$1,500 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
So exciting
So no external recording to prores? Weird
I actually haven't tested any external recording options but I can look into this in the next couple of weeks. That would be weird if you couldn't get external prores out of a Ninja V or something
@@jakehayden998 Thanks. I’ve looked for it. Can’t find any info. But if you can you can use this camera for clients who need prores.
@@carpballet It's my understanding that the HDMI out is capped at 1080p so not really a compelling option on a 6K body.
@@oedipax4 Thanks. Personally I think that’s not cool for black magic to do. I understand why (I think) but still not cool.
First comment. Love your content man.
With the sale price, it's a no-brainer. It's the PYXIS in an uglier body. It's wild that you can get a 6k cinema camera for $1,600 now. Most movie projectors still project in 2k.
Definitely true, I used to think it was entirely pointless to go over 4k, but recently I've really been enjoying the flexibility in crop modes and the effect oversampling has on reducing visible noise
@@jakehayden998 oversampling also helps in getting better color reproduction (a 6K Bayer sensor produces a 4K resolution image and a 3K full RGB pixel image)
Does it have AutoFocus?
yes but it's not the greatest. It doesnt constantly track faceses. You hit a button and trys to focus in on the shot and that's it.
Honestly, I hate using this camera due to lack of ergonomics. Picture quality is fantastic.
What part of the ergonomics are challenging? The screen placement or the grip or what?
@@jakehayden998 Yeah I don't get this complaint either personally in my use case, but maybe it's not being able to put a battery on the back because of the screen? I dunno. Great video!
yep 1600 us dollars promo :) not money :(
Hot Take: it’s the S1H, arguably the best IMX410-based camera to date that will be the cult camera in a few years. I mean, Pyxis finally put the IMX410 in a box camera, but the S1H has 5-axis IBIS and a better build than this “pocket-body” 6K FF from BMD.
BUt what about the image it produces? The biggest thing I think alot of people over look. Like I seen alot of people say "Get the Lumix (I dont even remember which one) It's open gate Ibis and cheaper!" But when I watched test footage of the camera.I was not a fan of what I saw.
I adore black magic because the image quality is insane. And there is very few cameras on the market who has internal raw. Let alone at that price range.
@@BreonnickThat's because Red owns the patent for internal RAW video. Blackmagic got away with it because their B-RAW is not actually RAW... It just behaves more like RAW than say MP4 or H.265
@@Breonnick The image is impeccable. 10-bit V-Log is perfectly capable of containing the IMX410’s dynamic range and color fidelity. While “raw” is a nice boon, it’s really not necessary with that sensor. “What about the image?” That you can’t even remember which LUMIX says a lot, they may look the same on the outside or even the spec sheet, but there are a LOT of sensor implementation differences in the LUMIX S-line cameras. The OLPF makes a massive difference in the S1H’s video image quality versus other S-cams.
@@Breonnick agree, in all tests that I have seen so far, the image quality of BM 6K FF is better than the one from S1H internal recording.
@@Studiotek Arri has there own raw codec too for the very same reason. But blackmagic and Z cam are the only two companys that I know of doing that in this price range of cameras. Hopefully now that Nikon owns Red. They will chill the fuck down with the patent trolling.
Not having Apple Pro Res’s stops me buying it.
You mean a cult classic mistake!
Why cant the damn thing desqueexe 1.6x anamorphic lenses in camera, it's unjustifiable bullshit.
It does. You just have to Turn on anamorphic Desqueeze while filming in open gate.
its junk. nothing more special than any mirrorless in the market just learn better grading you will see. I have two of them and the OG 6K is better even a sony ZVE1 and FX3 can beat it on dynamic range. don't be fanboy......
I’m excited about a camera that fits my use cases and taste really well, but that qualifying me as a fanboy seems to be a little bit of a stretch. I also really love the OG 6k and both the ZVE1/FX3, I certainly haven’t bashed them in any way or said one was better than another. I do know I love your content though, I watched all of your stuff during the research phase for this video. Definitely value your opinion
I unsubscribed from your channel because of the way you talk to people. It’s okay to let people enjoy things. It’s also okay to be critical of things without taking a giant shit on their good time.
@@zakforsmansame here bro, just negative vibes
@CINENIMUS is the biggest OG 6K fanboy in the industry today. He also loves the Sony mirrorless compressed-codec look, as so many Sony fanboys out there, and as many of them, has been consistently incapable of recognizing the good image quality of the BMCC 6K FF --- this guys simply cannot see the "3D-pop" quality of that image, the have a sort of "3D-pop color blindness" syndrome. But I understand that the guy has personality and is a provocateur. I don't consider him an objective reviewer (he is just too much of a fanboy of the OG 6K and hater of the FF 6K) but still I enjoy his abundant videos, his provocative stance, and his contributions to the conversation.
You start your comment with „it’s junk” and call someone giving his weighted opinion a fanboy. Wow! True gentleman.