I think the big problem with Shifter is that it's a band-aid for a problem that Konami can't really fix with the game's current state. And that's because going first still gives you such an advantage that you can't really make it up without effectively skipping your opponent's turn when they go first, or completely resetting the board state on your turn with a card like Evenly Matched. Most decks are so dependent on not having to play through disruption that they basically have to either A) Go first, or B) luck into an out to going second; Evenly Matched, Dark Ruler No More, Dimension Shifter, etc. I don't hate Dimension Shifter itself, I more hate what it represents. It represents how badly the game has gotten out of control - 90% of decks are going to have a whole bunch of disruption to play through on turn 1 when they go first, so unless they stop doing that (which they kind of can't because there are generic cards that can do this) they need to print cards that basically nullify the insane advantage created by going first.
The issue Shifter is that it harms well more than just the meta decks that abused the graveyard. Plunder Patroll, Ninja, Machines, Zombies, Dinosaurs. It pushes more casual decks out by keeping them from being able to advance their game plan. I'd say the salt comes from the more casual side of players who see Shifter as a card that keeps them from playing the game with their second graveyard while it enables Kashtira's banish focused strategy.
The problem is shifter is not giving you a "comeback" it wins you the game entirely. Also it is not only good against combo back, but any deck that needs 1 specific action in the gy. Another thing is that shifter gets not only played in graveyard heavy formats, because like i mentioned alot of decks needs 1-2 actions in graveyard and any deck which doesnt specificelly needs the gy is gonna loose all its follow up if it plays into that. Also you cant reliably deck build for that because no good deck plays that card. Only specific rogue decks play that so you get hit by that sacky 3 of from a rogue deck and loose
As a Kashtira main, I have exactly ZERO nice things to say about a dark world player who plays with themselves for over 30 minutes and handlooping. So cry about it.
@@villainousTCG I'm more of a Neko mane king and Ido type of guy. I would actually have no issue with them banning Sillva. Heck I can do enough cracked stuff with lucent.
@@kodiak8584 Right, like the irony of a dark world player complaining. In their mind it's okay if they don't allow you to play the game but as soon as you do it to them they have something to say. Double standard at its finest.
I understand all of your points. I believe that Shifter was originally designed to counter combo graveyard-reliant decks. The problem is that meta-relevant decks (that you mentioned) have abused the card. If Konami actually hit problem cards (like Harpies Feather Storm) and Ariseheart and all the Kashtira starters, we could keep Shifter at 3. This leads to the real problem, Konami is never willing to make the hits necessary in order to keep Shifter balanced. The shifter will probably get hit just because Konami is lazy.
Honestly arise heart might get banned based on how they limit it first. The kash starters I feel like they won't touch cause of the tins reprints but IMO if arise heart banned the starters can stay cause arise heart the entire deck
@@darkemperorj356 I agree. Perhaps the word "hit" was too ambiguous. I know Ariseheart is limited and would need to be banned at this point. Fenrir needs to go to 1 purely for being overused outside of its archetype. It has become the next Pankratops. The other factor you did NOT mention (although this may have taken away from your argument) was the business aspect of keeping Dimension Shifter. Does Konami have plans to reprint this card in the near future? Because from a corporate standpoint, it is hard to justify keeping around a less than $1 common over newer, more expensive decks.
The problem with shifter is that as long as there are decks that can play it without downside it's gonna be meta defining in every format. Even in this format Droll isn't great in every matchup, and can sometime completely whiff
why use normal monsters????? Sacred Beasts just dodge skill drain by tributing themselves for cost and summon 4k beaters. normal monsters are not going to help.
You actually took the words out of my mouth. I’ve been saying the exact same things for the longest time. It’s a well-designed card. And I mostly play decks that lose to shifter…
A huge problem with shifter is that it represents a substantial 'board' on it's own when you are able to go first and activate shifter. Even if you can for example, clear ariseheart and a fenrir, you can still lose on a lot of strategies (including more midrangey ones that don't revolve around the gy persay) just because shifter's effect lingers and you can't do anything about that, and it stops you from being able to make further pushes.
Interesting takes but I completely disagree, shifter deserves to be banned, if they hit it in any other way that's not gonna work cause it's just gonna feel sacky whenever someone activate it if it was hypothetically put to 1. I understand that it might not be the main issue in a format where the best deck is just macro cosmos turbo but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem, a floodgate like effect that can be activated from the hand on turn zero and completely shuts down the graveyards feels disgusting just by writing it, expecially in a combo heavy game where the gy has always been one of the most interactive place almost since it's release. I've always been on the side that floodgates are unfun and create situations where you are gonna play a non game and for me at that point there's not even an argument to be held.
The difference between a floodgate and a combo deck is the time it takes to set up the board. I'd rather get hit with skill drain than wait 10 minutes for dragon link
The problem with shifter or does its job to good. It not only stops big combo decks, but also casual decks. The only use the graveyard sometimes. There are many decks that rely on the graveyard end or not unfair in anyway, but still get punished for playing the game. Infernoid have to be the worst casualty of shifter. For the good cards to activate like void imagination. They have to go second. Which means if the opponent has shifter, you a essentially lose because since they are going second. You can’t use call by the grave and cross out designator because their quick play spells. Artefact Lancia can’t work because you want to banish your own cards to play the game. So your only card you can use is Gamma, which is now limited, so they have no defences. If the opponent opens shifter, you lose.
A lot of the people who I noticed praised the Tear format for being highly skill based are the same ones who want shifter banned 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 I wonder why
I find the modern Shifter discourse interesting since immediately upon release it was mostly irrelevant due to how few decks could use it. At the time it was really only Thunder Dragon and it was maybe a 1of. Its a devastating card if used properly, but its impact is equal to Nibiru due to the way it is changing the way players play. That is kinda the problem though, it forces you to think carefully how you make decks and how you play them. Nibiru makes you think twice about going wombo combo and Shifter does the same for GY reliance.
1 or 2 cards that are good against a tier 0 deck is not a solution.. the solution is balancing that tier 0 deck with a ban list... shifter, macro cosmos and dimensional fissure yeah make decks like tear a little less good, but at the same time make 80% of other rogue decks unplayable.... but i may be bias since i play phantom knights vampire and hero...
Most of my decks lose to shifter but I still agree with you. Maybe limit shifter to 2 but banning it is an overreaction especially when more broken cards exist in the format.
although i agree with the fact that graveyard decks like tear were a bit op, it is better to have different less floodgatey cards to counter it. also kash needs to die in order for shifter to be tolerable, shifter ends games on its own in this format and kash is too good on its own, shifter aint the problem but is is certainly making a big problem bigger.
The reason why this card doesn't work, is that there exist no counterplay to it, you can find counterplay for every card in the game even handtraps. You can counter droll
You technically can use call by the grave, but its limited to 1, and Shifter is typically played at the start of your opponent's turn (if you are forced to go second). I agree with you because of the few counters you have, all of them only work if it's your turn.
shifter lasts two turns, it's absurdly broken to shut down your opponents ability to play for TWO turns with ONE card. shifter still being live on your turn is NOT a downside. Droll and lock bird does not apply for TWO turns.
by apply the same logic to maxx c then card should be unban, it liggering floodgate, most deck is reliant on gy to play yes sure their some of it dont, its same as if you unban maxx c the same deck you show also take it like no problem, both of card accomplish the same result and if one on the banlits because it linger effect why the other one shouldnt be on the list just because it harder to ,and fun fact you have more maxx c counter than shiffter.
I dont think this video provided any good explanation as to Why Dimension Shifter is Not the Problem, Shifter is extremely lazy card design when it comes to preventing graveyard dumping that it locks you out of the zone entirely. Shifter may not be the entire reason that Kash and Floo were good decks, But that doesn't mean that it by itself couldn't just steal games. Shifter may not get banned or limited but it definitly desrves a spot on the list right next to droll.
The hell do you mean GY combo decks are the most powerful combo decks? Outside of tear, which other recent GY deck has gotten even close to being broken? None, they've all been decent at best, most of them actually suck balls, ishizu tear being the literal only exception, and that deck is dead now, it will continue to be dead, and there won't be another deck like it, because the main reason that deck, and every other ishizu variant at the time, was busted was because of the ishizu cards specifically, which have all already been hit. And there's no way you're really going to defend shifter while complaining about arise-heart, which is literally just shifter on legs, both cards gatekeep an entire playstyle from the game the same way.
First off they’ll be another meta based gy deck in the future secondly arise is a monster that can kill you and defend itself with its drident like effect you’re not summoning shifter at all so there is a difference between those two cards
@@hoangnguyen0721 now count how many can actually load the GY to that point. It's not like it's just a few decks, but it's far from a concerning or even just big amount
Shifter doesn't make Kash the best deck, bro, what happens when you go first and they shifter you, you pass and they set up their board... nice video, but very untrue. It just blanks your turn, the thing you need to beat them. But at least that annoying prize card was banned, shifter can stay, but don't you feed us that bullshit again bro...
While yes shifter does do that for Kash again that's a small part of what the bigger problem which is Number 89 and arise heart as those cards can cause way more degenerate BS. The guy did say it in the video that it does play a part but not much as you say it does
@@janithernest3929 you're right, and I did address the banned prize card, but the fact that it still wins them the game and sets up their favored game state,, on your first turn, is a bit much. Let me say again, Shifter can stay, I just wished that there were a few cards that could cleanse or remove lingering effects, because the downsides of the card do not effect the decks that play it. Would be nice if I could turn it off after they neg 1
@@janithernest3929 still enough to be mentioned in the video. I'm just saying that the point of the video is deflection, Shifter is a large contributor to the decks that play it, or else they wouldn't play it. I'm not saying it's the strongest card, but it's still a floodgate that starts whenever its least convenient for the other player, even on their first turn, in response to them setting up. Nothing wrong with that, I just don't like when people refuse to acknowledge that it is still a large reason why the decks that play it win, they can play under it just fine and shut out even decks that need one or 2 cards in grave or to he sent to grave. Card is fine, just hate when people act like it isn't as strong just because you have to hard draw it to use it.
It is though. Its a degenerate, toxic card, that in modern yugioh may as well read "skip your oppents turn". Its almost as bad as maxx c, the only difference in game warping is that d shifter isnt a plus. But it is a choice between ending your turn and losing.
I love d shifter. Like Tear was running rampant for 3 months and some duels would have been a loss if I didn't use shifter. Either my opponent has to stop bc of d shifter or I have to surrender bc I didnt ger shifter and they mill half their deck as well as a 1/3rd of mine
I think the big problem with Shifter is that it's a band-aid for a problem that Konami can't really fix with the game's current state. And that's because going first still gives you such an advantage that you can't really make it up without effectively skipping your opponent's turn when they go first, or completely resetting the board state on your turn with a card like Evenly Matched. Most decks are so dependent on not having to play through disruption that they basically have to either A) Go first, or B) luck into an out to going second; Evenly Matched, Dark Ruler No More, Dimension Shifter, etc.
I don't hate Dimension Shifter itself, I more hate what it represents. It represents how badly the game has gotten out of control - 90% of decks are going to have a whole bunch of disruption to play through on turn 1 when they go first, so unless they stop doing that (which they kind of can't because there are generic cards that can do this) they need to print cards that basically nullify the insane advantage created by going first.
"If it beats my deck, its ban worthy. If it cant beat my deck, then its trash." - yugioh community
Literally
Big facts.
The issue Shifter is that it harms well more than just the meta decks that abused the graveyard. Plunder Patroll, Ninja, Machines, Zombies, Dinosaurs. It pushes more casual decks out by keeping them from being able to advance their game plan.
I'd say the salt comes from the more casual side of players who see Shifter as a card that keeps them from playing the game with their second graveyard while it enables Kashtira's banish focused strategy.
As a Zombies and Dark World main, I hate this card.
Completely agree with the title, and it's not just cuz I play exosister.
The problem is shifter is not giving you a "comeback" it wins you the game entirely. Also it is not only good against combo back, but any deck that needs 1 specific action in the gy. Another thing is that shifter gets not only played in graveyard heavy formats, because like i mentioned alot of decks needs 1-2 actions in graveyard and any deck which doesnt specificelly needs the gy is gonna loose all its follow up if it plays into that. Also you cant reliably deck build for that because no good deck plays that card. Only specific rogue decks play that so you get hit by that sacky 3 of from a rogue deck and loose
As a veteran Dark World player I have exactly zero things nice to say about Shifter.
Zero nice things to say about watching dark world players play with themselves for 30 minutes and hand loop cancer
As a Kashtira main, I have exactly ZERO nice things to say about a dark world player who plays with themselves for over 30 minutes and handlooping. So cry about it.
@@villainousTCG I'm more of a Neko mane king and Ido type of guy. I would actually have no issue with them banning Sillva. Heck I can do enough cracked stuff with lucent.
@@kodiak8584 Right, like the irony of a dark world player complaining. In their mind it's okay if they don't allow you to play the game but as soon as you do it to them they have something to say. Double standard at its finest.
I understand all of your points. I believe that Shifter was originally designed to counter combo graveyard-reliant decks. The problem is that meta-relevant decks (that you mentioned) have abused the card. If Konami actually hit problem cards (like Harpies Feather Storm) and Ariseheart and all the Kashtira starters, we could keep Shifter at 3. This leads to the real problem, Konami is never willing to make the hits necessary in order to keep Shifter balanced. The shifter will probably get hit just because Konami is lazy.
Honestly arise heart might get banned based on how they limit it first. The kash starters I feel like they won't touch cause of the tins reprints but IMO if arise heart banned the starters can stay cause arise heart the entire deck
@@darkemperorj356 I agree. Perhaps the word "hit" was too ambiguous. I know Ariseheart is limited and would need to be banned at this point. Fenrir needs to go to 1 purely for being overused outside of its archetype. It has become the next Pankratops. The other factor you did NOT mention (although this may have taken away from your argument) was the business aspect of keeping Dimension Shifter. Does Konami have plans to reprint this card in the near future? Because from a corporate standpoint, it is hard to justify keeping around a less than $1 common over newer, more expensive decks.
@@darkemperorj356 Arise got killed lol.
The problem with shifter is that as long as there are decks that can play it without downside it's gonna be meta defining in every format. Even in this format Droll isn't great in every matchup, and can sometime completely whiff
Lol skill drain isn't a problem, you just need to play more normal monsters in your deck
Yeah, my friend plays branded cards and I play Dark Magician. He hates it when I use skill drain and I always say to use more normal monster
why use normal monsters????? Sacred Beasts just dodge skill drain by tributing themselves for cost and summon 4k beaters. normal monsters are not going to help.
Your comment has to be a joke
You actually took the words out of my mouth. I’ve been saying the exact same things for the longest time.
It’s a well-designed card. And I mostly play decks that lose to shifter…
loser mentality
Unrelated to the video but I’m ur 1000th subscriber congrats man
A huge problem with shifter is that it represents a substantial 'board' on it's own when you are able to go first and activate shifter. Even if you can for example, clear ariseheart and a fenrir, you can still lose on a lot of strategies (including more midrangey ones that don't revolve around the gy persay) just because shifter's effect lingers and you can't do anything about that, and it stops you from being able to make further pushes.
You can play lancea to get around it
Interesting takes but I completely disagree, shifter deserves to be banned, if they hit it in any other way that's not gonna work cause it's just gonna feel sacky whenever someone activate it if it was hypothetically put to 1.
I understand that it might not be the main issue in a format where the best deck is just macro cosmos turbo but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem, a floodgate like effect that can be activated from the hand on turn zero and completely shuts down the graveyards feels disgusting just by writing it, expecially in a combo heavy game where the gy has always been one of the most interactive place almost since it's release. I've always been on the side that floodgates are unfun and create situations where you are gonna play a non game and for me at that point there's not even an argument to be held.
The difference between a floodgate and a combo deck is the time it takes to set up the board. I'd rather get hit with skill drain than wait 10 minutes for dragon link
Again not every deck can play the card even those who can won’t kill you turn one
The problem with shifter or does its job to good. It not only stops big combo decks, but also casual decks. The only use the graveyard sometimes. There are many decks that rely on the graveyard end or not unfair in anyway, but still get punished for playing the game. Infernoid have to be the worst casualty of shifter. For the good cards to activate like void imagination. They have to go second. Which means if the opponent has shifter, you a essentially lose because since they are going second. You can’t use call by the grave and cross out designator because their quick play spells. Artefact Lancia can’t work because you want to banish your own cards to play the game. So your only card you can use is Gamma, which is now limited, so they have no defences. If the opponent opens shifter, you lose.
A lot of the people who I noticed praised the Tear format for being highly skill based are the same ones who want shifter banned 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wonder why
Good Video from your Thousand Suscriber!
Thank u
I find the modern Shifter discourse interesting since immediately upon release it was mostly irrelevant due to how few decks could use it. At the time it was really only Thunder Dragon and it was maybe a 1of. Its a devastating card if used properly, but its impact is equal to Nibiru due to the way it is changing the way players play. That is kinda the problem though, it forces you to think carefully how you make decks and how you play them. Nibiru makes you think twice about going wombo combo and Shifter does the same for GY reliance.
1 or 2 cards that are good against a tier 0 deck is not a solution.. the solution is balancing that tier 0 deck with a ban list... shifter, macro cosmos and dimensional fissure yeah make decks like tear a little less good, but at the same time make 80% of other rogue decks unplayable.... but i may be bias since i play phantom knights vampire and hero...
It wouldn’t be toxic if CERTAIN strategies did not used gy even on the opponent’s turn 🗿
This explanation makes sense.
The problem with shifter is that the lingering effect lasts 2 turns. If it was only one turn it'd be fine
If it was like that it would be broken.
or in the immortal words of a certain yugituber ''NOOOOOO I HATE WHEN OPPONENT DRAW GOOD CARDS''
Most of my decks lose to shifter but I still agree with you. Maybe limit shifter to 2 but banning it is an overreaction especially when more broken cards exist in the format.
although i agree with the fact that graveyard decks like tear were a bit op, it is better to have different less floodgatey cards to counter it. also kash needs to die in order for shifter to be tolerable, shifter ends games on its own in this format and kash is too good on its own, shifter aint the problem but is is certainly making a big problem bigger.
Issue i have with d shifter is when its in decks that dont care if they are banished flowanderize or kashtira
You forgot exosister and Guru Control and Vanquish Soul
The reason why this card doesn't work, is that there exist no counterplay to it, you can find counterplay for every card in the game even handtraps. You can counter droll
You technically can use call by the grave, but its limited to 1, and Shifter is typically played at the start of your opponent's turn (if you are forced to go second). I agree with you because of the few counters you have, all of them only work if it's your turn.
Called by and crossout, why blatantly lie and say there's "no counter."
@@villainousTCG ah yes, try doing them during your opponent first turn, good luck with that
@miomarito1453 That's an irrelevant argument. The assertion you made was "there is no counter." I provided proof there was.
every card has counters. Let's unban painful choice and pot of greed because you can ash them@@villainousTCG
shifter lasts two turns, it's absurdly broken to shut down your opponents ability to play for TWO turns with ONE card. shifter still being live on your turn is NOT a downside. Droll and lock bird does not apply for TWO turns.
Duel logs showed that shifter can work in trap decks
shifter is just maxx c with extra steps therefore the only place for it is on the banlist imo
Maxx c isn't that bad
Well Maxx C can be played by any deck. Shifter requires you to not use the graveyard.
Imma give u the like becuz i love new content and this is for sure… new… content. Hard disagree tho
As a thunder dragon player I agree
Great video 👍
by apply the same logic to maxx c then card should be unban, it liggering floodgate, most deck is reliant on gy to play yes sure their some of it dont, its same as if you unban maxx c the same deck you show also take it like no problem, both of card accomplish the same result and if one on the banlits because it linger effect why the other one shouldnt be on the list just because it harder to ,and fun fact you have more maxx c counter than shiffter.
Did u not watch the second point of the video
yes
I dont think this video provided any good explanation as to Why Dimension Shifter is Not the Problem, Shifter is extremely lazy card design when it comes to preventing graveyard dumping that it locks you out of the zone entirely. Shifter may not be the entire reason that Kash and Floo were good decks, But that doesn't mean that it by itself couldn't just steal games. Shifter may not get banned or limited but it definitly desrves a spot on the list right next to droll.
U didn’t provide any good arguments yourself and I can’t take ppl who want droll hit seriously
The hell do you mean GY combo decks are the most powerful combo decks? Outside of tear, which other recent GY deck has gotten even close to being broken? None, they've all been decent at best, most of them actually suck balls, ishizu tear being the literal only exception, and that deck is dead now, it will continue to be dead, and there won't be another deck like it, because the main reason that deck, and every other ishizu variant at the time, was busted was because of the ishizu cards specifically, which have all already been hit. And there's no way you're really going to defend shifter while complaining about arise-heart, which is literally just shifter on legs, both cards gatekeep an entire playstyle from the game the same way.
First off they’ll be another meta based gy deck in the future secondly arise is a monster that can kill you and defend itself with its drident like effect you’re not summoning shifter at all so there is a difference between those two cards
Look at literally any format for the last 5 years and count how many deck plusses to the moon with a loaded GY
@@hoangnguyen0721 now count how many can actually load the GY to that point. It's not like it's just a few decks, but it's far from a concerning or even just big amount
Shifter doesn't make Kash the best deck, bro, what happens when you go first and they shifter you, you pass and they set up their board... nice video, but very untrue. It just blanks your turn, the thing you need to beat them. But at least that annoying prize card was banned, shifter can stay, but don't you feed us that bullshit again bro...
While yes shifter does do that for Kash again that's a small part of what the bigger problem which is Number 89 and arise heart as those cards can cause way more degenerate BS. The guy did say it in the video that it does play a part but not much as you say it does
@@janithernest3929 you're right, and I did address the banned prize card, but the fact that it still wins them the game and sets up their favored game state,, on your first turn, is a bit much. Let me say again, Shifter can stay, I just wished that there were a few cards that could cleanse or remove lingering effects, because the downsides of the card do not effect the decks that play it. Would be nice if I could turn it off after they neg 1
@@bchavez149 I mean it’s only a few decks that don’t care about shifter downsides
@@janithernest3929 still enough to be mentioned in the video. I'm just saying that the point of the video is deflection, Shifter is a large contributor to the decks that play it, or else they wouldn't play it. I'm not saying it's the strongest card, but it's still a floodgate that starts whenever its least convenient for the other player, even on their first turn, in response to them setting up. Nothing wrong with that, I just don't like when people refuse to acknowledge that it is still a large reason why the decks that play it win, they can play under it just fine and shut out even decks that need one or 2 cards in grave or to he sent to grave. Card is fine, just hate when people act like it isn't as strong just because you have to hard draw it to use it.
Yeah but... the important question, is she/he a woman?
Depends on if the person is a he or she you fool
It is though. Its a degenerate, toxic card, that in modern yugioh may as well read "skip your oppents turn". Its almost as bad as maxx c, the only difference in game warping is that d shifter isnt a plus. But it is a choice between ending your turn and losing.
I love d shifter. Like Tear was running rampant for 3 months and some duels would have been a loss if I didn't use shifter. Either my opponent has to stop bc of d shifter or I have to surrender bc I didnt ger shifter and they mill half their deck as well as a 1/3rd of mine
Shifter is the worst cart ever printed
No