I've actually stopped playing T8 because of most of what you've mentioned here. I was by no means a specialist, (Sitting Uncomfortably in Fujin in T7 & T8), but even I could feel the effects of what you pointed out. In my opinion, he isn't just different, they nurfed him.
Your so right about T8 Ravens moves forcing you into stances. Its quite offputting for me because I like the feeling of choosing when and when not to use it.
i just want master raven to come back as a dlc char with the old raven stuff and some new heat stuff just cause i think it would be cool... i mean we have multiple mishima's armor king probably show up again too.... so lets go!!! raven needs more special intros anyway lol
@@finnz7786 Maven's 1,1 was really good in my opinion. The second hit was a mid, and slower than 1,2 which made it easier to hit confirm with for the full string. I believe it also tracked.
100% with you on the rigid transition option T8 Raven has, its kind of strange 2, 4 can auto dash on hit, but we cant forward dash cancel from soul zone. I hope they improve the frame for back turn down 4 on block in the future too. Awesome content as always.
Agreed. He says witness the results of my training and he forgot how to do certain moves? Makes no sense. I'm still mad his character episode didn't have a montage of him training to show how he leveled up.
I think ravens gameplay could be improved while not being broken with at least three out these six changes 1) make soulzone teleport in place harder to float 2) making it so we can wavedash from soulzone 3) make bt ff3 faster or at least -3 or even 0 on block idk just not make it -9 so they have an actual reason not to duck at the wall 4) give back bt throw mixups or give soulzone throw 5) give ub1,2 ANY use whatsoever 6) give raven a move like leory's df3+4 where he can crush and one hit launch (it doesn't need to be safe high but you get the point) What do you think? Awesome video as always my man, I love that raven content, unlocking new tech
Absolutely agreed with your analysis. To add one thing I think a blue spark version of Undertaker with more damage when using legacy input would be cool. Other characters get that and it helps distinguish specialists, as you mentioned. Imagine a Raven wavedashing against you and he pulls off blue spark Undertaker. That shit is hype.
There's Master Raven tweaks/unique setups I really enjoy and imho felt the most comfy to pull off(I really started playing more Raven in T7), but I will never deny how big a help Tekken 8 is for helping the character(as well as others) with stuff tracking and hit registration stuff. I do like Maven's unique model but good god was it a bad time when you could basically lose the round over something not counting and going through somebody. Great video!
I'm surprised that he didn't get Fatal Blow to Metal Storm [I suck at numbers and only remember moves by name], but it would be cool to see him with those moves but If not then they might be keeping it for Maven to give her a sense of similarity to Raven, especially since they are separating the ninjutsu tactics between the two. Shadow Clones Vs. Haze & Teleportation will be a chaotic match to watch.😁 I seriously cannot wait for her return as DLC because 9 females on T8's base roster is nutz. Nice Video Imortal😎👌
I agree with you for the most part about what you say about Raven needed to be more complete but I think there is one set of moves i would Recommend change the most for him is his grab game make his bt 1 grab a 1 break and his 2 grab a 2 break
I miss Master Raven as her design is more original. And I miss invincibility frames in (3~4)f, I loved to bait rage arts and go through the opponents, now they track me even if I'm already behind them.. More of her moves also launched well or were better in combos. Also it's weird getting used to that f1+2 is no longer a homing move
I actually want T7 Qcf1,2 back in its entirety lol 😂, call me greedy. I want the crumple stun back it was perfect. The T8 version of the move is a shell of its former glory smh. I also agree with SZN having a crouch dash transition that would be neat as well. And B1 also shouldn’t be a canned mix neither I 100% agree there too. Great video as usual tho bro ⚔️🔥🥷🏾.
Totally agree with B1 Sz not being optional when it is on 12, Db21, Bt22 etc, it seems a bit faster now and also B3 has much better onblock +frame so maybe thats part of the reasoning. Raven's Wr3 is amazing but why is it 26frames when Victors is 16? lol even big tonka toy Jack's is i23. Keep up the good work @EU No1 Raven!
Maven already had that t8 style magic 4 in t7 where you had to commit to a second hit and they still took it away, i'll never understand these devs lol
As someone who is learning to wave dash, being fluid with all of raven's transitions is a nightmare. I have no clue how you do it. Some power mids to compensate for my lack of skill would certainly make things easier.
Same and I dropped him cuz it didn’t pay out for me. I only got to Battle ruler w him. But I got to blue ranks w 6 other chars so unfortunately as much as I love him I don’t play him anymore
Even though he has similar moves, he is very different from Master Raven, which forces us to change our strategy. I've started to adapt to this new way of playing with Raven now, but I still feel like I'm not as comfortable as I was with Maven.
the extensions from sz are very powerful mixup already, crouch dash from sz its like adding another 10 deadly mixups, maby this would be to strong and to mutch to deal with. but yea I really miss ss3 and ff*4 , but if I had to chose one thing back it has to be ub1 teleport lol.
I miss 1) B4,4 properties from 7, 2)BT f4,3 Kama kick animation 3)Chakram/B4,B4 extensions/mixups As well as all you mentioned. Also how do you invis haze? Is it a hold command or only come out when you haze after a hit?
@@smuuggggg yeah its literally just the frame rate. A lot of recording software programs dont record solid 60 every second of the video, so if haze occurs during that time itll just disappear LMAO
If it's one thing I want to change about Raven is I want his Df2 to be a 15f. I always played Nina and Raven, Nina b1+4 used to be 16f but is now 15f. It doesn't make sense that rage art only -15, other characters have beefy easy 15f launchers but Raven's get left behind? I think BT should be throw mix again the UT has reduced damage now. Also qcf3 should be launcher when opponent is grounded and air hit should be hit throw. Yes I hate being forced into stance
Am I the only one who misses ub1~f? It was a sick side switch move where Raven sends his clone to the other side and switches places with it, or he could make it a feint and send a clone without switching places with it (I think you hold b). Why on Earth did they remove it in T8? (I know it wasn't in T7 but that's bc Maven can't use clones) Other than that, I really miss qcf3 being a launcher, and I think it's BS that they removed Raven's BT throw mix while keeping Feng's and Hwo's.
What do you think about these buffs? 4,1 change from -3 to -1on block b2,2 change from 15 startup frames to 13 frames on startup. Soul zone 1+2 change from 0 on block to +2 on block. Uf4,4 change from-15 to -13 on block. Do you think those buffs would be too much? Here is my second question. Do you feel they should have added his daggers into his move list in this game, you know, like giving him some new strings using those daggers? Is that something you would want, or do you think it would be too much?
Hey man im not sure where else to leave this comment so here goes: For t8, ravens 4,1 to 2 combo filler seems to only land for certain characters consistently. For Everyone else, it appears to require a perfect frame input The following people require perfect frame input it seems.. somewhere around a 40f delay after the 4,1 Drag Bryan Victor Azu Jin Devil Jin Raven Steve Shaheen Paul Everyone else has a much wider gap for the input delay between 35-45f after the 4,1, hence I hit it consistently every time Could you do a video on this if it’s of interest?
delay the ff3, that combo is inconsistent and id advise to follow other more damaging routes. If you’re gonna stick with it, delay ff3 a bit to make it more consistent
bring back the uf 3+4, ub 3, b 4-4, and df 4-4 mixup especially the white hole one and make df 4 launch on duck (i learn to use this move while wavedash back in t7 and now its kinda useless) :'-)
I was previously playing 13 characters in tekken 7 and 8 characters in 8, out of all the characters I play, raven is by far the strongest, I may have only played him seriously recently so I wouldn't completely understand what the past raven metas were but from what I've been able to do with him he seems like a character with so many playstyles and so many strengths, and I do know that they buffed his frames and his 50/50 and he has some pretty good poking in front and back turned, the amount of flowcharts and setups you can do are countless almost, and his heat is probably one of the best in the game due to you being able to do high chip damage safely and you recover it with hits, everyone I meet usually doesn't even want to play against the character because you can force them into pressure and they almost can't ever pressure me back because of the parry power crush or backsway unless I'm in the corner. I remember the first day I picked up raven and I made a hwo and Yoshi not want to fight against me. I've never been able to do that any other character I played, which is definitely why he's my favorite.
Am I the only one that have a problem that they took away Ravens shadow clone low attack from TK6/TTT2 and changed it to a mid shadow clone in TK8 instead of having both mid and low to have a better mix up? With the current shadow clone system there is no guessing. How is he supposed to be the shadow clone master and the clones don't have you scared shitless.... Now imagine after soul zone a mid or low shadow coming for you, how different that would be with the mix up
Not saying it will happen, but what are your thoughts on possibly having Master Raven as DLC. How do you think they would differentiate her from T8 Raven
Ifl since Raven is so unpopular a lot of these holes in his gameplay will go unaddressed for a while since the Tekken community as a whole isn’t discussing it
I honestly feel like the first order of business for Raven is to patch out the auto transitions into his stances and let us do it manually as well as giving us more options we can transition into stances from. Raven is a lot weaker this time around especially in a room full of over tuned characters in T8.
@@imortalXsoul You know in tekken 5 raven single wave 3+4 has juggle 3+4 db 4 and b, 3 it was mandatory and if someone got up on the third hit then f 4 was also confirmed.
I've actually stopped playing T8 because of most of what you've mentioned here. I was by no means a specialist, (Sitting Uncomfortably in Fujin in T7 & T8), but even I could feel the effects of what you pointed out. In my opinion, he isn't just different, they nurfed him.
he def feels weaker relative to the cast than maven did for sure
I miss maven qcf1. Amazing move and I loved messing around with the haze transition
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Your so right about T8 Ravens moves forcing you into stances. Its quite offputting for me because I like the feeling of choosing when and when not to use it.
i just want master raven to come back as a dlc char with the old raven stuff and some new heat stuff just cause i think it would be cool... i mean we have multiple mishima's armor king probably show up again too.... so lets go!!! raven needs more special intros anyway lol
Unrelated: when Tag 3 drops I hope it's 3v3 and they make Master Raven, Phantom Raven, and Great Raven all selectable.
So far every tag game is after 3 main titles, TK 1,2,3 then TTT 1. TK 4,5,6 TTT 2. And now TK 7, 8,9 then tag 3
LMFAOO
Do we know if his ending was canon? I think it'd be pretty cool to have Great Raven with Victor's sword in future games lmao
@@NotMichaelJ in T8? I don't see why not. It checks out with official lore
lool imagine how hard it would be to deal with all 3 having similar moves but with different properties, would be to mutch to deal with.
I want some of Master Raven stuff back, 1,1,4, haze 4, the teleport invisible animation, back turn undertaker
Wats wrong with 1,2,4
@@finnz7786 Some characters like Reina can strangely backdash out of the second hit, plus you can't hit confirm like 1,1,4
@@finnz7786 its harder to confirm and the first two hits are high. 114 easier to confirm and high mid
@@finnz7786 Maven's 1,1 was really good in my opinion. The second hit was a mid, and slower than 1,2 which made it easier to hit confirm with for the full string. I believe it also tracked.
@@feeharn5531 how negative was 1,1?
I only picked up Master Raven at the tale end of Tekken 7, this was such an insightful video.
I do miss maven white hole transitions
now everything is force toward soulzone
yeah they clearly want us to use it 😒
this! I really miss the mind games when opponents start respecting you. Truly sad
100% with you on the rigid transition option T8 Raven has, its kind of strange 2, 4 can auto dash on hit, but we cant forward dash cancel from soul zone. I hope they improve the frame for back turn down 4 on block in the future too. Awesome content as always.
11:11 same 🙋🏾♂️, That's one of the reasons I liked playing with Kunimitsu too
nah after discovering sidestep 3 in tekken 5,
that move is game-changing keep out
Carrying the raven scene
😅😅😅😭😭
Home run once again bruh, thanks for representing and making a logical case for Raven, your views and recommendations are on point!!
thank you 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Agreed. He says witness the results of my training and he forgot how to do certain moves? Makes no sense. I'm still mad his character episode didn't have a montage of him training to show how he leveled up.
LOOOOL
Same
I think ravens gameplay could be improved while not being broken with at least three out these six changes
1) make soulzone teleport in place harder to float
2) making it so we can wavedash from soulzone
3) make bt ff3 faster or at least -3 or even 0 on block idk just not make it -9 so they have an actual reason not to duck at the wall
4) give back bt throw mixups or give soulzone throw
5) give ub1,2 ANY use whatsoever
6) give raven a move like leory's df3+4 where he can crush and one hit launch (it doesn't need to be safe high but you get the point)
What do you think?
Awesome video as always my man, I love that raven content, unlocking new tech
Nice changes, the leroyesque move could be fun!
@imortalXsoul maybe something like db1+2 raven takes that crouching stance, and a clone kick punches the other guy into a combo
Absolutely agreed with your analysis. To add one thing I think a blue spark version of Undertaker with more damage when using legacy input would be cool. Other characters get that and it helps distinguish specialists, as you mentioned.
Imagine a Raven wavedashing against you and he pulls off blue spark Undertaker. That shit is hype.
ooof yeah that would be sick
There's Master Raven tweaks/unique setups I really enjoy and imho felt the most comfy to pull off(I really started playing more Raven in T7), but I will never deny how big a help Tekken 8 is for helping the character(as well as others) with stuff tracking and hit registration stuff. I do like Maven's unique model but good god was it a bad time when you could basically lose the round over something not counting and going through somebody. Great video!
I'm surprised that he didn't get Fatal Blow to Metal Storm [I suck at numbers and only remember moves by name], but it would be cool to see him with those moves but If not then they might be keeping it for Maven to give her a sense of similarity to Raven, especially since they are separating the ninjutsu tactics between the two.
Shadow Clones Vs. Haze & Teleportation will be a chaotic match to watch.😁
I seriously cannot wait for her return as DLC because 9 females on T8's base roster is nutz.
Nice Video Imortal😎👌
I do miss Master Raven tbh
and ravens 1+2 just frame parry was also cool
it was aight imo
I agree with you for the most part about what you say about Raven needed to be more complete but I think there is one set of moves i would Recommend change the most for him is his grab game make his bt 1 grab a 1 break and his 2 grab a 2 break
I miss Master Raven as her design is more original. And I miss invincibility frames in (3~4)f, I loved to bait rage arts and go through the opponents, now they track me even if I'm already behind them.. More of her moves also launched well or were better in combos. Also it's weird getting used to that f1+2 is no longer a homing move
While in haze 4 was cool and crouch dash into 3,4 had cool animation surfing the enemy
I actually want T7 Qcf1,2 back in its entirety lol 😂, call me greedy. I want the crumple stun back it was perfect. The T8 version of the move is a shell of its former glory smh. I also agree with SZN having a crouch dash transition that would be neat as well. And B1 also shouldn’t be a canned mix neither I 100% agree there too. Great video as usual tho bro ⚔️🔥🥷🏾.
LMFAO yeah qcf12 was better in 7 for sureeee
@@imortalXsoul Man it was godsend of a buff frfr 😂💯 hopefully next month’s patch reintroduces it. As well as BT Undertaker
I wish wavedash/crouchdash was raven whole thing and now it feels i have to force mixups with soulzone or b1
yeah for sure
Totally agree with B1 Sz not being optional when it is on 12, Db21, Bt22 etc, it seems a bit faster now and also B3 has much better onblock +frame so maybe thats part of the reasoning. Raven's Wr3 is amazing but why is it 26frames when Victors is 16? lol even big tonka toy Jack's is i23. Keep up the good work @EU No1 Raven!
i force using wr3 because it looks sick but its just the worst wr move 😭
We need more of those sweet Raven matches my guy!
when i’m playing T8 💀
I’ve been waiting for this video. They nerfed him in my opinion. He had so much pressure tools and different properties.
I really enjoy Raven in 8 but totally agree the character expression is less than T7. Stance cancels and dashes would def make him more interesting.
definitely
Maven already had that t8 style magic 4 in t7 where you had to commit to a second hit and they still took it away, i'll never understand these devs lol
LMAO facts
As someone who is learning to wave dash, being fluid with all of raven's transitions is a nightmare. I have no clue how you do it. Some power mids to compensate for my lack of skill would certainly make things easier.
just practice in p mode movement and transitions, force yourself to use them!
@@imortalXsoul Will do, thanks!
I've used raven all trough out ttt2 never knew there was soul zone and I know al of his parrys even the hidden ones
Soulzone is new in T8
@@imortalXsoul what is that disappearing move you are doing
When I saw this vid I had to watch, raven is a great character in t8 as of right now. Idk if it’s just me, but he could totally have more.
Love the raven content, thanks for everything!
ty!
I’m struggling with raven tekken 8
A lot of people are! He is completely different 😅
Same and I dropped him cuz it didn’t pay out for me. I only got to Battle ruler w him. But I got to blue ranks w 6 other chars so unfortunately as much as I love him I don’t play him anymore
Even though he has similar moves, he is very different from Master Raven, which forces us to change our strategy. I've started to adapt to this new way of playing with Raven now, but I still feel like I'm not as comfortable as I was with Maven.
He’s got a bunch of videos on learning the character. Dude helped me get to Red rank and slow but surly helping reach purple.
the extensions from sz are very powerful mixup already, crouch dash from sz its like adding another 10 deadly mixups, maby this would be to strong and to mutch to deal with. but yea I really miss ss3 and ff*4 , but if I had to chose one thing back it has to be ub1 teleport lol.
i honestly don’t think so. Maven had an actual launcher from haze, an unblockable, a safe on block low, teleport, HAZ 4 etc
Great video @imortalxsoul! Are there any moves Raven had T5 or T6 that you wish he had now too?
I miss
1) B4,4 properties from 7,
2)BT f4,3 Kama kick animation
3)Chakram/B4,B4 extensions/mixups
As well as all you mentioned.
Also how do you invis haze? Is it a hold command or only come out when you haze after a hit?
frame rate of the video probably. This is not a thing or command
@@imortalXsoul i freaking knew it; ive seen it on other vids and it looks so cool to just briefly disappear entirely
@@smuuggggg yeah its literally just the frame rate. A lot of recording software programs dont record solid 60 every second of the video, so if haze occurs during that time itll just disappear LMAO
Coming from Tekken 5, i really miss ff n 4
yes i love it 🫣🫣🫣
bro that ffn3+4 looks so sick
faxxxx we need it
Consider that bee costume stolen … I’m not playing with you… run them pockets
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
W content!
thanks bro 🙏🏽✅
My three wishes: Let me crouchdash out of Soulzone, give me backturn command throw and T7 backturn d4.
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If it's one thing I want to change about Raven is I want his Df2 to be a 15f. I always played Nina and Raven, Nina b1+4 used to be 16f but is now 15f. It doesn't make sense that rage art only -15, other characters have beefy easy 15f launchers but Raven's get left behind? I think BT should be throw mix again the UT has reduced damage now. Also qcf3 should be launcher when opponent is grounded and air hit should be hit throw. Yes I hate being forced into stance
Am I the only one who misses ub1~f? It was a sick side switch move where Raven sends his clone to the other side and switches places with it, or he could make it a feint and send a clone without switching places with it (I think you hold b). Why on Earth did they remove it in T8? (I know it wasn't in T7 but that's bc Maven can't use clones)
Other than that, I really miss qcf3 being a launcher, and I think it's BS that they removed Raven's BT throw mix while keeping Feng's and Hwo's.
it could be interesting to have it back yeah
ub1 teleport would be sick to get out of the wall
What do you think about these buffs? 4,1 change from -3 to -1on block b2,2 change from 15 startup frames to 13 frames on startup. Soul zone 1+2 change from 0 on block to +2 on block. Uf4,4 change from-15 to -13 on block. Do you think those buffs would be too much? Here is my second question. Do you feel they should have added his daggers into his move list in this game, you know, like giving him some new strings using those daggers? Is that something you would want, or do you think it would be too much?
b22 would be crazy LMAO 😭😭😭 his blades would be cool!
@imortalXsoul b22 really needs faster start-up frames. I have to do a 1jab first most of the time, so b22 won't get beat out. Lol
yeah the moment I got to try Raven in T8 beta, the new qcf 1 / qcf 1,2 behavior really threw me off. I wish we'll have the T7 properties back in T8
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Hey man im not sure where else to leave this comment so here goes:
For t8, ravens 4,1 to 2 combo filler seems to only land for certain characters consistently. For Everyone else, it appears to require a perfect frame input
The following people require perfect frame input it seems.. somewhere around a 40f delay after the 4,1
Drag
Bryan
Victor
Azu
Jin
Devil Jin
Raven
Steve
Shaheen
Paul
Everyone else has a much wider gap for the input delay between 35-45f after the 4,1, hence I hit it consistently every time
Could you do a video on this if it’s of interest?
delay the ff3, that combo is inconsistent and id advise to follow other more damaging routes. If you’re gonna stick with it, delay ff3 a bit to
make it more consistent
@@imortalXsoul noted thanks!
bring back the uf 3+4, ub 3, b 4-4, and df 4-4 mixup especially the white hole one and make df 4 launch on duck (i learn to use this move while wavedash back in t7 and now its kinda useless) :'-)
I was previously playing 13 characters in tekken 7 and 8 characters in 8, out of all the characters I play, raven is by far the strongest, I may have only played him seriously recently so I wouldn't completely understand what the past raven metas were but from what I've been able to do with him he seems like a character with so many playstyles and so many strengths, and I do know that they buffed his frames and his 50/50 and he has some pretty good poking in front and back turned, the amount of flowcharts and setups you can do are countless almost, and his heat is probably one of the best in the game due to you being able to do high chip damage safely and you recover it with hits, everyone I meet usually doesn't even want to play against the character because you can force them into pressure and they almost can't ever pressure me back because of the parry power crush or backsway unless I'm in the corner. I remember the first day I picked up raven and I made a hwo and Yoshi not want to fight against me. I've never been able to do that any other character I played, which is definitely why he's my favorite.
5:40 100%
Man they need to give sz a transition into qcf
Haze > Soulzone
You forgot all about CH slippery kicks and Maven 1,1
I think Maven was definitely stronger than T8 raven
I mentioned Maven 1,1 and I don’t think ch fc df3+4 is necessary! 👀
Am I the only one that have a problem that they took away Ravens shadow clone low attack from TK6/TTT2 and changed it to a mid shadow clone in TK8 instead of having both mid and low to have a better mix up? With the current shadow clone system there is no guessing. How is he supposed to be the shadow clone master and the clones don't have you scared shitless.... Now imagine after soul zone a mid or low shadow coming for you, how different that would be with the mix up
would’ve been cool i suppose
Not saying it will happen, but what are your thoughts on possibly having Master Raven as DLC. How do you think they would differentiate her from T8 Raven
I'd be down for it, and i dont think she would be that different, i think they would incorporate her sword more
Who do you think is better in 8, Eddy or Raven? I'm an Eddy main trying to learn raven but he's so awkward.
Eddy is stronger atm
Ifl since Raven is so unpopular a lot of these holes in his gameplay will go unaddressed for a while since the Tekken community as a whole isn’t discussing it
I actually just miss master Raven. I think she was unique and could potentially be a better storyline than Raven tbh
I think he’s a bit weaker than previous after you take into account system changes. I really hope they buff him again
agreed
I honestly feel like the first order of business for Raven is to patch out the auto transitions into his stances and let us do it manually as well as giving us more options we can transition into stances from. Raven is a lot weaker this time around especially in a room full of over tuned characters in T8.
yeah relativity is everything especially regarding raven
B 1+2 was my favorite move but they changed it
You used it for evasion but now what is the utility of b1+2?
I prefer T8 one
@@ncrolle it’s a backswing that actually functions as one, just risky but a lot of back swings are launch on block so
I think i recognize the shirt which team is it from?
AJAX
hope you will reach out
Bird Gang, rise up.
Ttt2 raven was the best
Bro,
i have been using raven since last 18 to 19 if i believe good raven was only for tekken 5
really!? why is that?
@@imortalXsoul In qcf 3+4 without counter he had very good juggle and wall juggle was also good
@@imortalXsoul I wish Harda would give the earlier qcf 3+4 to the raven so that the raven could be played.
@@imortalXsoul You know in tekken 5 raven single wave 3+4 has juggle 3+4 db 4 and b, 3 it was mandatory and if someone got up on the third hit then f 4 was also confirmed.
came for cool informations but maven kinda bad 🥴
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LMFAO
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