@@antonomous4780 I still think we can call the character annoying even at rank levels, he’s just a super solid character with amazing buttons, crazy good damage, and great heat 😊
I get that Tekken’s a Japanese game franchise, but I don’t think Harada really realized what would happen when he named the fight state “heat”, cause I can’t help but feel like I’m saying something wrong when I say ‘“character name” is in heat’.
Dude.... im a fujin reina, and i have no clue what to do vs his offense. I just constantly interupt with jab or df1 and then unload my entire game on him and pray he doesnt have any defence either 😂
@holdysnausages trust I lab against the move but it's just a mental thing 😭 idk when I fight against an aggressive bryan I'm trying so hard not to get ch and then BOOM snake edge
@holdysnausages i mean i was half joking but at 20ish frames give or take, thats still 1/3 of a second no? Thats crazy fast Edit: okay so apparently they are 26f+ depending on the character. Thats still close to half a second. Its still hard to react to for me. Every time i get hit, i am actually holding db, but i guess just a few frames too late. Considering its rarely used in high level play, whats the harm in making them just slightly slower?
Hahaha, I understand. I'm playing Hwoarang, I was thinking the same. But now that you mention it, I hate playing against all characters that play very low with him x)
Pro's say you can react to d2 because at this point they're the only ones playing this game offline. d2 is at that exact threshold when you react to it but always a tad bit late because online always takes a frame or two.
That's simply not true considering Yoshi's win rate, y'all just press too many buttons and hope the offense carries you instead. If you stop to block more then flash won't hit you
@@SnakeInTheRainlmao that's a dumb argument considering Yoshi can just steal your turn with it I can't tell you how many times I do a heat engager and a Yoshi just flashes. Not to mention that stupid unblockable low
@@SnakeInTheRainI understand what you're saying, but it's a bit unfair to say they're just mashing and getting punished for it, when usually they're doing a plus in block move or a frame trap that literally any other character just has to respect, but then Yoshi says f your set-up
Yoshi damage is just too high for how gimmicky of a character he is, drop his damage a little and remove the guard crush into guaranteed follow up and he's pretty balanced.
@@chadachi3970exactly this bruh. Yoshi has WAY too much for him to also get like 80 damage minimum on pretty much any starter. And if he's not doing 80 damage he's doing the unavoidable guard break set up that has somehow avoided being removed for what? Three or four patches now? And then on top of all that he just has a DP in tekken that gives him heat engager. Now shake my hand and guess for game
Yoshi's Flash is 100% the dumbest most broken move in the game You fr can't do anything. I've tried just moving forward, sidewalking both ways, crouching. If you don't hold back or do absolutely nothing, Flash will get you for a free heat engager at the very least
@kodiak809 The startup on Flash is like 6 frames So to power crush you just hard read callout that they're going to flash? So there's still the mental stack that you just have to randomly throw out unsafe moves to counter their counter? That still sounds like a really annoying move imo
That’s not true.. you would never understand if you’ve actually used yoshi before and gotten him him to at least blue ranks . Most players just dnt know the counter play to it but some do and when they do , it sux for us
I think one of the annoying things about Tekken is that a lot of the reactable low moves don't have the starting animations that make it look like a low. So you brain tricks you in to thinking its not a low.
@@zer0cx110 cap yoshi has wayyyyy too much.. multiple unblockable moves plus throws… I’m bushin the yoshi is my homies main he’s a tekken king .. can evade, with plenty also
Nina has his issues, like no lows in combo, the low sweep, is the slowest in the game, the guns attack, in heat, most of the times dodged for higher rank players, and last 4 secons shooting, so once they dodge it crouching, they always start the mix up, so it takes a lot of cheap damage, but when they dodge it, usually you are death.
Top annoying moves for me: 1.) Jim doing whatever the fuck that low is that has a bird wing. 2.)Yoshimitsu Flash 3.)a perfectly timed just frame sky rocket 4.)King armoring into a grab. >:I
i honestly are now in "nerf alisa to the ground" camp also. i just yesterday met one in ranked. this alisa had NO movement, wasnt ducking ANYYTHING from my claudio, i just did 4-5 wr2 in a row and 3 ss4 in a row. NO REACTION. And then came the chainsaws. she won 3-1 and 1nd me. fuck this game
@@souhiyori8640 exactly, and I only picked up Jin to see how BS he really is and I tell you I can barely get kaz to red gayru in 2 weeks…, while I got Jin to blue fujin in like 4 days….
to be fair about Jin's heat smash because I main jin. his benefits from heat are almost non existent with his heat smash being his only good thing in heat and ig wavedashes are slightly more menacing due to red eyes but that's literally just visual effect and doesn't effect how the opponent reacts they could either nerf his heat smash and give him more rewards for being in heat or keep it this way, I don't mind either.
I don't think Jin's d2 is reactable. Perhaps on a read you might be able to confirm and block it, but I haven't seen pros actually blocking it 100% of the time.
If you don't play online & aren't moving around & you're looking for it then yeah it's reactable but other than that it's really hard. + input lag from online & or depending on someone's PC. It's more of a guess.
It's definitely difficult to react to. At 22 frames it's speed is on the verge of being non-reactable, but because it has several cues (animation, red effect, Jin's yell), it can sometimes be reacted to depending on the player's reaction ability, mental stack, lag, etc. However, getting hit by a random d2 isn't that big of a deal. The biggest concern is to not get counter-hit launched, and that only happens when you attack at the wrong time.
Not even pros block snake edges all the time, we are humans at the end of the day but you can raise your consistency to react those things, same with Jin d2
Zafina's snake edges are all reactable, but realistically it's hard because few people play her. She's very linear with 99% of her moves from stances, but I didn't understand it until I played her.
Yep, super linear. Yoshi's spin GUARANTEES anything from SCR for example will whiff. And her wr 1+2 is easily defended. It's extremely duckable. If Zafina is running at you, they aren't going for much else. The fact it's ahead of dragunov and Jin stuff is... weird.
I agree with Yoshi, I had to explain to my friend how much mental stack that character has because not only does he break the conventional 10 frame is the fastest move idea, but he has a lot of unlockables that can be thrown out there that you have to be ready for on top of his standard mixups
@@fatman9183 I've got no clue, but that really has no bearing on the discussion. In the video he said he couldn't believe the move hadn't been nerfed yet, when it was literally nerfed week 1
Bruh as a Drag main since Tekken 5 THAT MAKES IT EVEN BETTER LMAO. The pushback means I can pop a guaranteed while running 2, or crouch cancel and do a down 2. If the other guy tries to do anything they risk getting counter hit. And at the wall, there's literally no pushback at all so yeah deal with the sneak 50/50s
@@ghost_ender8298 I don't understand how YOU being inconsistent at IWR moves makes pushback good for his mixups. The pushback reduces your mixup options, You can't trap with hatchet kick, get info with jab pressure or apply another plus button or string. It opens up opportunity for the defending player to backdash (like I said earlier) or even a CH. Against good players the CD+4 mid-stage gets you info more than anything else, and you now have to use that situations info to score a launch, or keep the pressure going. Blizzard Hammer is just a superior advantage button
@@dalewilson2741 wait what.. how did you come to the conclusion Im inconsistent at IWR attacks 😭😭 Ive mained Drag since Tekken 6 and I consistently get blue spark IWR2's
Yoshi main here. To be fair, you couldn't just flash everything easily. There's a lot of guesswork and if the opponent start reading your baits, the flash leaves Yoshi very open and is very punishable.
Well not THAT punishable i got hit once while blocking and spaced from him a considerable amount when i eventually got my hit in it’s mostly jabs or try to parry but still get hit with it
I don’t agree with everything on the list but ima add to it. 1. Ravens heat because it’s basically a projectile.. like wtf 2. Hworangs down 3,4.. yup. That’s shits annoying. Not asking for it to be nerfed. I’m just saying it’s annoying. 3. Steve shield breaker .. just corny. Fight me like a man 4. Shaheens shield breaker .. 5.Ninas 12 frame low 6. And devil jins back 3 ( kazuyas got one too) Other than that.. Lilis side step Kings power crushes.. cus they’re safe
Raven heat smash has shit range even for a projectile. Dude literally was going to mention it in video where which character moves need nerf and realized it's pretty ass. Only safe king power crush is muscle armor
Steve shield breaker? Its a high and easily punishable move body, but I’m sure that you are a power crush player who always spam it and hate when it doesn’t work with Steve anymore.
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In a game so offense-oriented like T8, shouldn't more characters have a flash move? There's really only one character in the game who can actually play defensively
7:42 Bro, just duck and punish, we zafinas dont use that move at all ☠️ I thought you were gonna say FFF3, it's the mid version... +7 on block. But I think her revenge hand is more annoying (It's exactly like Yoshi's flash) you hit her at all with anything that isnt a low and 33% of your health is gone
As a Hwo main, I'm incredibly surprised (& happy) we didn't make a spot on this list 😅. We usually get so much hate, and if that's gonna be gone with d3,4 being nerfed, I think I'm ok with that.
People can finally play against the character now that d34 and backlash got nerfed. Just took 12 years of wadding though downplaying Hwo players we were right. Those two moves were too good. Ggs.
The most annoying thing is that the characters behave like puppets with no weight . Tekken lost its strategy. Players focus only how to fly the opponent to the air and then do combos again and again..
This list is insanely accurate, even the top 1 is the same as me. Yoshimitsu in this game is the biggest asburd i have ever seen in any fg, and this damn parry is one of the many reasons for sure. Nice video man
Alyssa has such good fundamentals that whenever I select her my friend goes into trauma response even when he uses Paul's over powered attacks. Whenever I pull out my chainsaw it's 25% on purpose lol
Dude have u tried playing Bryan? He’s very difficult to pilot. Took me a week to reach fujin with shaheen. It took me two months to reach fujin with Bryan 😂
Small correction, King always had a wavedash but it was really hard to do, now since a patch or two he has been streamlined to have a traditional wavedash. Also delete Dragunov qcf4
Drag main here. Yep, qcf4 is HEAVILY overtuned and of all the fucking move that I expect to be nerfed the FIRST then the db3+4 the second, but for some cum shit reason they keep qcf4 the exact same... I would rather have it at +4 only or less because it's such a strong move up close it beats iwr2, fucks sake.
King's gs is sometimes insane to deal with because of ch properties now But I fail to see how wavu makes up for the lost tracking. Wavu is a commitment, he takes a risk (like any wavu character), and he had it before, and better with highh crushing (at the expense of execution). It's a nothing burger and King is better off doing a regular dash gs (which is very strong). I also know some people who can discern gs vs 1+2 grabs and break on reaction. But it's still very hard. But I've downplayed him enough. For annoying moves I would mention Nina's sidestep 1; Steve's 4,2; Jun's and Asuka's can-can; DvJ's hellsweep; Kazuya's cd1+2; Jin's 2,1,4; Lee's, Paul's and King's df2s.
Yoshis flash was already nerfed, they better not touch it in heat. Also that clip you used was before the nerfs, not to mention flash drains your heat gauge fully just by doing it twice.
10:30 To be fair, King always did have a wave dash. Very few could actually do it. But he always did have a wavedash. Also kind of surprised Azucena didn't get a mention.
Some picks I have: Every Mishima ff+2 (impossible to avoid unless they fell asleep) Leroy d/b+3 (safe on block, evades everything, basically wins the round on counter hit) Bryan qcf+1 (pseudo electric with infinite range) Claudio wr+2 (non-existent hurtbox, tracks way more than it should, deals way too much damage) Xiaoyu aop (good luck playing the game) Kuma heat smash (tracks way too much) Lee b+4 (legitimately impossible to whiff punish) Devil Jin hellsweep (hits you from neptune, can't stay on the ground against it) Eddy ff+3 (should straight up just be -15 on block) Jack d/b+1 (shatters your soul) There's way more that I can't think of at the moment.
They've made Tekken 8 a lot more stylish and flashy. But the gameplay of Tekken 7 was a lot better. Too much heat related stuff, and too many heavy damaging moves to defend and those are Safe. Even if you defend right, you can't punish those moves.
If we talk about Zafina, her most annoying move is d3. Huge plus on hit, much greater mixup potential with or without MNT stance, ch launcher, spammable.
Have to full disagree. I just think king players aren't used to mixing with it as if they are armor king. On knock down its really good cause you become more ambiguous. You get a faster tracking move from it with chop chop and its safer to candle put of then just forward dash. You also have a chance to low parry with it. Or on purpose if you got your opponent timing.
Bryan's qcb1 and qcf1+2 has to be there. Qcb1 is like an ewgf which reaches full screen and good recovery on whiff, also +5 on block and a CH launcher with insanely huge damage and wall carry with heat.
I'm used to the game, King etc are fine for me. Only annoying move is Jin's forward low hellsweep. Most Jin mains spam it repeatedly. Some fighters aren't equipped to counter it.
I've gotten plenty of hate messages from players over the years calling me a flash spammer and they all without exception over-extend and make no effort to bait it. Flash is highly situational and the hitbox in sword stance is god awful. I think a lot of players go wrong (including this video) thinking of it as a parry. It's not a parry, it's a regular move with startup and recovery. All you've got to do is get in his face and pressure him with quick attacks and mixups. DON'T finish your string if it's being blocked, even if it's usually safe. Learn the common traps and bait it. Be extra careful when he's in no sword stance. Flash is fully punishable when it whiffs. Yoshi may be unusually strong in 8, mostly because of his carry and damage, but flash has its limits and can be exploited, just like any other move. It just feels unfair because he's the only character who has it. Against good players, opportunities to use flash dry up fast.
It's not that flash has weaknesses but that the rewards are too high. Baiting flash is having to win 2 neutral interactions for the price of one and the risk of getting launched and heat engaged after already winning the first one. It's the fastest move in the game so it can interrupt moves no other move can, you don't even have to do a move, just being too close is a bad idea and Yoshi already thrives on range. When getting mixed up it should be the Yoshi's turn to guess, not mine
@@shaghilathar3588 You have a point, the mixup within flash proximity leans in Yoshi's favour (unless it just trades), but Yoshi has x30 more homework to do in a close quarters situation than the character attacking him does. Yoshi needs to know matchups and flashable weaknesses across the board to be able to rely on flash. A character going up against Yoshi only needs to worry about their own flash-vulnerable moves/strings and work around them. It's worth repeating- a player who respects flash is so risky that often it's just not worth it.
@@lowlifelenny If it's not worth it then why does it work most of the time? Again even if the player can bait it, they shouldn't have to because they are forfeiting a free mix up just for the chance of Yoshi to flash. No other character does this
@@shaghilathar3588 Flash only works in specific situations, usually unique to your character. You can learn those situations and avoid them. If flash whiffs, Yoshi is completely screwed and launchable. You wouldn't walk up to Zangief in SF and do vulnerable strings/mixups in front of him, you'd be dead. You have to drop your rehearsed strategy and think around it. It's a similar thing.
@@lowlifelenny Those situations are quite broad and usually are the situations every other character would have to take a mix up. Again it's the ability to negate a situation no other character can for free, not just the flash itself
My 10 least favorite moves before watching the video: jin d2, jin uf2, devil jin heat smash, king ffn2, king giant swing, king jaguar step, kazuya hell sweep, every safe high powercrush, law/shaheen slides, yoshi unblockable low
Yeah, Jin's D+2 and Alisa's chainsaws feel like they were purpose-built tools, made to steal a round. I would kill the tracking on Jin's d+2 or greatly reduce the amount of damage he can get off of it as CH - Jin never needed to be an evasive character in addition to making him beginner friendly. With Alisa, I'd probably remove the plus frames on blocked chainsaw mids, making it neutral, or leave the plus frames but add pushback so shes not in breathing range after poking you.
Honestly the move just needs 3 changes. 1. Change the plus frames to 3 instead of 7. 2. Nerf the overall dmg. 3. Change the properties so it no longer hits grounded.
What I'm most annoyed by in this game is losing fights because I screw up the inputs. You see the perfect opportunity, the wrong move comes out, bam you lose
King - b3, spammable when slightly minus, stealing turns with lowbrisk high reward. Jin - d2, a frame or two too fast for me to react to midmatch. Jin - ff2 i cant ss it consistently Alisa - everything that goes brrrrr Dragunov - sneak 4 Xiaoyu - launcher throw Jun - 13f, hp gaining heat smash Feng - Heat ground stomp thingie Azucena - i think df1,4, with a further extention beyond that? The high attack being unduckable due to jailing feels awful and catches me out all the time. Yoshi - flash. I hate how it can clip you in the neutral even if you dont press anything. I dont mind it as a defensive tool though. Raven - why tf does his parry teleport him across the screen with a fast long range follow up. It feels so frustrating. Parries in general being fast enough to threaten otherwise guaranteed mixups like frametraps or heat engager mixups feels really really obnoxious too ngl. Theyre already powerful anti-pressure tools, no need to have them remove all semblance of pressure like that.
"Jins d2 is reacable" does not equal its consitantly hard reactabe like some snakeedges. When you even see pro players at offline tournaments eat this move over and over its theoretically reactable, but not practically most of the time when you add movement/Mental stack. This move needs gutting (like -15 AND either minus on hit like all other d2-like attacks or hard reactable (add frames to startup))
JIN D2 is reactable AS LONG u play without music, since the BRRRRR sound is a great way of knowing it is coming, I think even the sound starts some frames before the red wing animation. since I stopped playing with music ingame, I have gotten much better with blocks.
See that's where you've fucked up, if you ALWAYS guess rather than react to the throws then you are surprised and happy when you accidentally get out. Big brain!
Lili and Xiaoyu not being mentioned is crazy. Also nobody talks about how bogus Asuka rage art is, it’s a full parry that you gotta just hold and if they charge it they’re plus.
I hate how hard it is to see char animations in Tekken 8. E.g. is Jin's D2 is usually unseable because it looks the same as his other crouch startup/zen cancel/ducking move but his mids can send you to hell so you focus on that by the time you press a high (to beat his options by frames) is when he uses D2 for a CH. They rarely use it raw especially in mid-higher ranks unless you are conditioned to just eat it in heat because you know a smash will make you drink tea with Jesus. Same as any other character and if you hyper focus on the animations they do a simple launcher like a df2 that looks like a dingy uppercut abusing your tunnel vision to get big damage.
Contrary to popular belief; I actually despise Jin’s 1 3 4 ankle kicker move when spammed because you can mix it up with a 1 2 3 in case you duck to block those low kicks
What do you guys think the most annoying move in Tekken 8 is?
Down jab
Jin’s DF2, I think that move needs to be nerfed because it’s kind of too strong
@@Boogard eddy is the most annoying move 😔🤦♂️
@@Boogard jin’s d2 is for sure one of the most annoying. That shit gives me nightmares. I ALWASLYS FKNG PREPARE FOR IT and i NEVER parry it/block it.
xioayu hypnotist 50/50
The most annoying move in the game is every move king uses
If you’re not good then I can’t see why you think it’s annoying.
@@antonomous4780 I still think we can call the character annoying even at rank levels, he’s just a super solid character with amazing buttons, crazy good damage, and great heat 😊
As a King player, y’all have my sympathy
Making it to tekken god with kazuya.. king really isn’t that bad to fight just seems like a skill issue
stay scrub
Jin's "Reactable Low" is infuriating to deal with..
Not reachable at all 💀😂
It is reactable
@@jordanroberts8270 its reactable you just have to drill the voiceline into your head
@@KamDaMan2007 Not consistently in my experience, but that could be online factoring in?
@@YellowFellow86probably I can react to it I listen for the voiceline
I have played so many Jins spamming lows that I almost always crouch whole match
then you get DF2
And then this guy also has a FF3 to launch cuz why not?
and then u hit orange rank and they start the mid pressure lol
Jin mains are trash
@@LouSassol69erwatch ya mouth
jabs are annoying, stop jabbing me. let me launch you so i can do my 60dmg combo that i've practiced all afternoon 💀
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@@ottmatlyes
No 😂
Ws launchers are a thing
Lee is so unknown that nobody knows we're all b3,3 merchants
Also me spamming down 3 with lee
@@briangoulet948 let's go gambling 🗣
The Mirrio special
i thought you guys were b4 merchants 😂
Only Drac was brave enough to crack down on the B3,3 spam, the D4,4 legend himself
I get that Tekken’s a Japanese game franchise, but I don’t think Harada really realized what would happen when he named the fight state “heat”, cause I can’t help but feel like I’m saying something wrong when I say ‘“character name” is in heat’.
Yoshi players "flash" us 😂. They are wierd like that
All of Hwoarang moves piss me off. Just a never ending guessing game of how the help he's going to hit you.
Have to pressure them first, don't give them a chance to chuck you into the Rang blender
Dude.... im a fujin reina, and i have no clue what to do vs his offense. I just constantly interupt with jab or df1 and then unload my entire game on him and pray he doesnt have any defence either 😂
Just hold back and anticipate a low for a parry it sucks but sometimes it’s the only way
main way of dealing hworang pressure was genuily dick jab. But in tekken 8 it is much more harder
Hwoarang got shit defence u should find a small window, break his attack in the beginning and then pressure him
Any form of snake edge because i have the reaction speed of a sloth
I just need 2 more frames added to them and i can block them i swear lol
It shouldn’t matter. You just have to practice. Nobody should not not be able to react to a snake edge unless you have a legit problem.
@holdysnausages trust I lab against the move but it's just a mental thing 😭 idk when I fight against an aggressive bryan I'm trying so hard not to get ch and then BOOM snake edge
@holdysnausages i mean i was half joking but at 20ish frames give or take, thats still 1/3 of a second no? Thats crazy fast
Edit: okay so apparently they are 26f+ depending on the character. Thats still close to half a second. Its still hard to react to for me. Every time i get hit, i am actually holding db, but i guess just a few frames too late. Considering its rarely used in high level play, whats the harm in making them just slightly slower?
Xiaoyu’s is the only one I cant defend against consistently, even at higher ranks, and it does crippling mental damage every time
Video idea: top ten strongest knowledge checks in Tekken 8 (and how to manage them)
As a Xiaoyu player, I was sweating more and more as the list got higher and her name still hadn't come up 😅
SAME as a long main, i was just waiting for her name to appear
Hahaha, I understand.
I'm playing Hwoarang, I was thinking the same.
But now that you mention it, I hate playing against all characters that play very low with him x)
Pro's say you can react to d2 because at this point they're the only ones playing this game offline. d2 is at that exact threshold when you react to it but always a tad bit late because online always takes a frame or two.
90% of yoshi mains are carried in ranked because of flash
That's simply not true considering Yoshi's win rate, y'all just press too many buttons and hope the offense carries you instead. If you stop to block more then flash won't hit you
@@SnakeInTheRainlmao that's a dumb argument considering Yoshi can just steal your turn with it I can't tell you how many times I do a heat engager and a Yoshi just flashes. Not to mention that stupid unblockable low
@@SnakeInTheRainI understand what you're saying, but it's a bit unfair to say they're just mashing and getting punished for it, when usually they're doing a plus in block move or a frame trap that literally any other character just has to respect, but then Yoshi says f your set-up
Yoshi damage is just too high for how gimmicky of a character he is, drop his damage a little and remove the guard crush into guaranteed follow up and he's pretty balanced.
@@chadachi3970exactly this bruh. Yoshi has WAY too much for him to also get like 80 damage minimum on pretty much any starter. And if he's not doing 80 damage he's doing the unavoidable guard break set up that has somehow avoided being removed for what? Three or four patches now? And then on top of all that he just has a DP in tekken that gives him heat engager. Now shake my hand and guess for game
Yoshi's Flash is 100% the dumbest most broken move in the game
You fr can't do anything. I've tried just moving forward, sidewalking both ways, crouching. If you don't hold back or do absolutely nothing, Flash will get you for a free heat engager at the very least
power crush and armor attacks do it
@kodiak809 The startup on Flash is like 6 frames
So to power crush you just hard read callout that they're going to flash?
So there's still the mental stack that you just have to randomly throw out unsafe moves to counter their counter? That still sounds like a really annoying move imo
That’s not true.. you would never understand if you’ve actually used yoshi before and gotten him him to at least blue ranks . Most players just dnt know the counter play to it but some do and when they do , it sux for us
@@zer0cx110 Please explain the counter play to flash then
@@cosmik411 They're just gonna tell you to bait it lol cause it really is the only thing you can do.
I think one of the annoying things about Tekken is that a lot of the reactable low moves don't have the starting animations that make it look like a low.
So you brain tricks you in to thinking its not a low.
LET ME FLASH YOU
9:37 its my clip and its an outdated one 😅 hope ive been tag but still thanks for choosing my clip as an example , great content 😊
Grats!
Perfect nickname haha
does it still work?
@@Kingkaindal nope not anymore its got the biggest nerfed 🤣
You forgot to include all of Yoshi's movelist
Bruh, yoshi, Lee, Jin, reina… makes no sense in tekken…
No.. just flash which isn’t overpowered but itll be annoying forever just because it’s flash
@@zer0cx110 cap yoshi has wayyyyy too much.. multiple unblockable moves plus throws… I’m bushin the yoshi is my homies main he’s a tekken king .. can evade, with plenty also
exactly his whole movelist is cancer. He doesn't play Tekken one bit
@@dougferguson7079 throws? which throw is giving you trouble here, as far as I know yoshi has a very barebones throw game at best
That's why Arslan uses Nina & Alisa 😂
Nina has his issues, like no lows in combo, the low sweep, is the slowest in the game, the guns attack, in heat, most of the times dodged for higher rank players, and last 4 secons shooting, so once they dodge it crouching, they always start the mix up, so it takes a lot of cheap damage, but when they dodge it, usually you are death.
but Ninas in EVO top 256 they were 5, one of the being Arslan Ash, and in top 96 there were just 2 Ninas, one being Arslan Ash Nina
5:31 That sigh, I already know what moves he’s talking about 💀
Top annoying moves for me:
1.) Jim doing whatever the fuck that low is that has a bird wing.
2.)Yoshimitsu Flash
3.)a perfectly timed just frame sky rocket
4.)King armoring into a grab.
>:I
Sky rocket over d3,4?
Grab King first then
I don't see any problem with jfsr, come on. If I eat it I deserved to eat it
@@edgelord121 I appreciate the execution, it just hurts my soul when I whiff and Hwo JFSs me I just 😩
Damnit Jim!
Jack as a whole ass character give me a aneurysms
Lili moves are also so annoying, you never know what to expect
skill issue
Hold back, you’ll notice its pretty easy unless they snake edge. Lili will destroy you if you’re too eager to punish
Keep distance and most will only have their 3+4 to rely on, and ducking that will give you a massive punish
i honestly are now in "nerf alisa to the ground" camp also. i just yesterday met one in ranked. this alisa had NO movement, wasnt ducking ANYYTHING from my claudio, i just did 4-5 wr2 in a row and 3 ss4 in a row. NO REACTION. And then came the chainsaws. she won 3-1 and 1nd me.
fuck this game
Also glad jins down 2 was mentioned that move is so cancer
Just crouch block 🤷🏻
I got to fujin with literally 123,134, 314, and down 2 🤷🏻 crazy people don’t know how to counter that
@@ICanNoahwow how helpful! Who wouldve thought to crouch block the low??
@@ICanNoahor just hop kick, it works too
@@souhiyori8640 exactly, and I only picked up Jin to see how BS he really is and I tell you I can barely get kaz to red gayru in 2 weeks…, while I got Jin to blue fujin in like 4 days….
The lasers. I know I can sidestep. But in the match my brain refuses to do it and I end up crouching into the low laser or jumping into the high one
Man, what a thorough list. Everything in it is explained and the opinion were shared, too. I really enjoyed watching this one.
The law nunchucks
Laws constant low sweeps
That shit is the only reason why they win
I block Jin’s d2 more than i get hit with it, I dont mind it
to be fair about Jin's heat smash because I main jin. his benefits from heat are almost non existent with his heat smash being his only good thing in heat and ig wavedashes are slightly more menacing due to red eyes but that's literally just visual effect and doesn't effect how the opponent reacts they could either nerf his heat smash and give him more rewards for being in heat or keep it this way, I don't mind either.
Keep playing jin and get better he also has indomitable wall pressure in heat with mishima style make sure to utilize that more too.
@@4yahwey275 haven’t touched the game in 3 weeks 😭
@@4yahwey275 I’m raijin rn but imma prolly start playing again when hei drops
@@ray_eye fair i be on the same shii
The zafina disrespect is insane
You can just duck it 😂
I don't think Jin's d2 is reactable. Perhaps on a read you might be able to confirm and block it, but I haven't seen pros actually blocking it 100% of the time.
If you don't play online & aren't moving around & you're looking for it then yeah it's reactable but other than that it's really hard. + input lag from online & or depending on someone's PC. It's more of a guess.
Atif literally blocks every single d+2 (except for 1). It's hella reactable.
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It's definitely difficult to react to. At 22 frames it's speed is on the verge of being non-reactable, but because it has several cues (animation, red effect, Jin's yell), it can sometimes be reacted to depending on the player's reaction ability, mental stack, lag, etc.
However, getting hit by a random d2 isn't that big of a deal. The biggest concern is to not get counter-hit launched, and that only happens when you attack at the wrong time.
Not even pros block snake edges all the time, we are humans at the end of the day but you can raise your consistency to react those things, same with Jin d2
@@Doctor...7-g8j pros get hit by snake edge mostly when they are locked into a high animation.
Yoshi's unblockable low launch should have been an honorable mention.
Damn i’m HELLA early. Just want to take this moment to say you’re killing the content drops. Dont burn yourself out brother. Much love
“Alisa feels almost designed to piss me off” I felt that 😂😂
Zafina's snake edges are all reactable, but realistically it's hard because few people play her.
She's very linear with 99% of her moves from stances, but I didn't understand it until I played her.
Yep, super linear. Yoshi's spin GUARANTEES anything from SCR for example will whiff.
And her wr 1+2 is easily defended.
It's extremely duckable. If Zafina is running at you, they aren't going for much else.
The fact it's ahead of dragunov and Jin stuff is... weird.
Flash?? Try the flea stance. That shit has a broken hitbox.
As a Law main I'm surprised his slide didn't make the list lol
You'd have to throw Lee and Shaheen's slides in as well
I agree with Yoshi, I had to explain to my friend how much mental stack that character has because not only does he break the conventional 10 frame is the fastest move idea, but he has a lot of unlockables that can be thrown out there that you have to be ready for on top of his standard mixups
Yoshi and Victor have the most annoying moves in TEKKEN 8 frl!! 😂
They should have made Alisa’s chainsaw stance a heat only thing like kazuya imo
Drag sneak 4 is nerfed.
used to have NO PUSHBACK.
It was +7 in your face, now you can backdash and invalidate the mix-up....if you aren't at the wall
I invite you to watch the EWC tournament that finished yesterday. Tell me how many sidesteps of QCF+4 have you seen
@@fatman9183 I've got no clue, but that really has no bearing on the discussion.
In the video he said he couldn't believe the move hadn't been nerfed yet, when it was literally nerfed week 1
Bruh as a Drag main since Tekken 5
THAT MAKES IT EVEN BETTER LMAO. The pushback means I can pop a guaranteed while running 2, or crouch cancel and do a down 2. If the other guy tries to do anything they risk getting counter hit. And at the wall, there's literally no pushback at all so yeah deal with the sneak 50/50s
@@ghost_ender8298 I don't understand how YOU being inconsistent at IWR moves makes pushback good for his mixups. The pushback reduces your mixup options, You can't trap with hatchet kick, get info with jab pressure or apply another plus button or string. It opens up opportunity for the defending player to backdash (like I said earlier) or even a CH.
Against good players the CD+4 mid-stage gets you info more than anything else, and you now have to use that situations info to score a launch, or keep the pressure going.
Blizzard Hammer is just a superior advantage button
@@dalewilson2741 wait what.. how did you come to the conclusion Im inconsistent at IWR attacks 😭😭 Ive mained Drag since Tekken 6 and I consistently get blue spark IWR2's
As a new player this helps understand the jank that has been annoying me in these match ups.
Yoshi main here. To be fair, you couldn't just flash everything easily. There's a lot of guesswork and if the opponent start reading your baits, the flash leaves Yoshi very open and is very punishable.
Bs ..
@@azteckjumbie9344 Explain
Well not THAT punishable i got hit once while blocking and spaced from him a considerable amount when i eventually got my hit in it’s mostly jabs or try to parry but still get hit with it
Bro while flash is annoying I find his unblockable low more annoying. I see a low I block the low and its unblockable like why. 😢
ZAFINAS FUCKING SCARECROW 2,1. ITS THE BANE OF MY FUCKING EXISTENCE.
Is that the mid, mid safe heat engager? Yeah it’s really strong
@@PokemonSoulGold13 just labbed it with bryan, you can swr and it completely whiffs
If you see Zafina in SCR, use any of your armor moves.
And you can interrupt it with jabs, if her SCR was on block.
What your problem is that move 😂😂 when there's tons of more annoying moves.
Jin’s D2 is reactable and as a Kazuya player I love seeing it cause I get a launching punisher off it
I don’t agree with everything on the list but ima add to it.
1. Ravens heat because it’s basically a projectile.. like wtf
2. Hworangs down 3,4.. yup. That’s shits annoying. Not asking for it to be nerfed. I’m just saying it’s annoying.
3. Steve shield breaker .. just corny. Fight me like a man
4. Shaheens shield breaker ..
5.Ninas 12 frame low
6. And devil jins back 3 ( kazuyas got one too)
Other than that..
Lilis side step
Kings power crushes.. cus they’re safe
Raven heat smash has shit range even for a projectile. Dude literally was going to mention it in video where which character moves need nerf and realized it's pretty ass.
Only safe king power crush is muscle armor
Steve shield breaker? Its a high and easily punishable move body, but I’m sure that you are a power crush player who always spam it and hate when it doesn’t work with Steve anymore.
Ravens heat smash is mid man
Bro they already nerfed hwoarangs D3,4.. you can punish it now lmao if you block the low , you can launch. .. Skill issue
@@LeonKennedy020 Ik but it’s still annoying
i love ur honesty jin is really weird i miss old jin t7 were i use my mind more then my heat
I wanted to bless you since you’re in “create mode” 🔥 SO:
Here’s 50 video title ideas that align with the style you been making
1. "Top 10 Most Underrated Moves in TEKKEN 8"
2. "The Ultimate TEKKEN 8 Tier List: Updated Rankings"
3. "TEKKEN 8: How to Counter Every Character's Signature Move"
4. "Breaking Down the Best Combos in TEKKEN 8"
5. "How To Master the Rage System in TEKKEN 8"
6. "Top 5 Characters With the Best Mix-Ups in TEKKEN 8"
7. "Analyzing the Patch Notes: What’s New in TEKKEN 8"
8. "How to Win More Matches Using TEKKEN 8 Frame Data"
9. "The Most Hated Characters in TEKKEN 8 Ranked"
10. "Why This Character is Secretly Top Tier in TEKKEN 8"
11. "TEKKEN 8: Advanced Movement Techniques Explained"
12. "How to Improve Your Defense in TEKKEN 8"
13. "The Biggest Buffs and Nerfs in TEKKEN 8 History"
14. "Why TEKKEN 8’s Story Mode is a Game-Changer"
15. "Top 10 Most Devastating Throw Combos in TEKKEN 8"
16. "TEKKEN 8 Online Ranked Mode: Tips to Climb the Ladder"
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18. "TEKKEN 8: Best Stages for Each Character"
19. "How to Beat Defensive Players in TEKKEN 8"
20. "Why Side-Stepping is Crucial in TEKKEN 8"
21. "The Best Zoning Characters in TEKKEN 8"
22. "How to Deal with Pressure in TEKKEN 8"
23. "TEKKEN 8: The Most Difficult Characters to Master"
24. "Analyzing the New Character Introductions in TEKKEN 8"
25. "How to Handle Aggressive Opponents in TEKKEN 8"
26. "TEKKEN 8: The Most Reliable Whiff Punishers"
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29. "The Best Wake-Up Options in TEKKEN 8"
30. "Why TEKKEN 8’s Netcode Is the Best Yet"
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35. "TEKKEN 8: The Ultimate Parry Guide"
36. "Why TEKKEN 8’s New Mechanics are a Game Changer"
37. "Top 5 Beginner Characters in TEKKEN 8"
38. "How to Counter Spam in TEKKEN 8"
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42. "Why TEKKEN 8’s Combo System is the Most Complex Yet"
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This comment is top, it would be incredible if he reads and does some content out of this list, thank you.🎉🎉
In a game so offense-oriented like T8, shouldn't more characters have a flash move? There's really only one character in the game who can actually play defensively
7:42 Bro, just duck and punish, we zafinas dont use that move at all ☠️ I thought you were gonna say FFF3, it's the mid version... +7 on block. But I think her revenge hand is more annoying (It's exactly like Yoshi's flash) you hit her at all with anything that isnt a low and 33% of your health is gone
That's the part I raised an eyebrow at. I never just throw that out ppl past tekken emperor usually know to duck
When I saw this title the first move I thought of was Yoshimitsu Flash. And lo and behold...
As a Hwo main, I'm incredibly surprised (& happy) we didn't make a spot on this list 😅. We usually get so much hate, and if that's gonna be gone with d3,4 being nerfed, I think I'm ok with that.
That's because he has way more than 1 annoying move
People can finally play against the character now that d34 and backlash got nerfed. Just took 12 years of wadding though downplaying Hwo players we were right. Those two moves were too good. Ggs.
@@Edmitsulmao most of the people who complained still can’t beat him now. That change mainly affected the top 10%
@Populrjay Wow, thanks for the compliment
The most annoying thing is that the characters behave like puppets with no weight . Tekken lost its strategy. Players focus only how to fly the opponent to the air and then do combos again and again..
This list is insanely accurate, even the top 1 is the same as me. Yoshimitsu in this game is the biggest asburd i have ever seen in any fg, and this damn parry is one of the many reasons for sure. Nice video man
Like having boredom when actually while being mistreated
as a jin main, i love doing the down 2 move 😂
idk but whenever i uses jin people always able to block it😂
@@kodiak809 frrrrrr
Not gunna lie.. I spam the shit outta that move cus it’s just so smooth and it always works and he’s got good oki. lol I love it
Yall are carried by it
@@johndolo853 half true, mostly carried by his other heat smash 🤣
Alyssa has such good fundamentals that whenever I select her my friend goes into trauma response even when he uses Paul's over powered attacks. Whenever I pull out my chainsaw it's 25% on purpose lol
My answer is any Bryan counter hit launcer, dude wtf Bryan has ridiclous damage.
I agree but there’s not enuff Bryan’s for us to complain about him yet .. but my biggest complain is his launchers reach WAY too far like helll Naww
he need this
@@zer0cx110 Well said, I am just a bit salty because Bryan is very popular in my region and I always face him.
Dude have u tried playing Bryan? He’s very difficult to pilot. Took me a week to reach fujin with shaheen. It took me two months to reach fujin with Bryan 😂
@@lundbergdrums6642 Oh yeah I agree he isn't a scrub character by any means. But damn he is popular and he hits hard.
Small correction, King always had a wavedash but it was really hard to do, now since a patch or two he has been streamlined to have a traditional wavedash.
Also delete Dragunov qcf4
Drag main here. Yep, qcf4 is HEAVILY overtuned and of all the fucking move that I expect to be nerfed the FIRST then the db3+4 the second, but for some cum shit reason they keep qcf4 the exact same... I would rather have it at +4 only or less because it's such a strong move up close it beats iwr2, fucks sake.
And they nerfed wr2 instead of sneak 4…
Alisa's D-Mode down 2 doesn't knock you down, last time I've played, but just like Jin's down 2, it is annoying when it hits you. And I like Alisa.
2:23 i was half jokingly grunting mimici g this stupid noise, then you come out pointing it how😂😂😂
I am actually surprised that in a "annoying moves" video Hwoarang didn't get bashed for a change 😂
King's gs is sometimes insane to deal with because of ch properties now
But I fail to see how wavu makes up for the lost tracking. Wavu is a commitment, he takes a risk (like any wavu character), and he had it before, and better with highh crushing (at the expense of execution). It's a nothing burger and King is better off doing a regular dash gs (which is very strong).
I also know some people who can discern gs vs 1+2 grabs and break on reaction. But it's still very hard. But I've downplayed him enough.
For annoying moves I would mention Nina's sidestep 1; Steve's 4,2; Jun's and Asuka's can-can; DvJ's hellsweep; Kazuya's cd1+2; Jin's 2,1,4; Lee's, Paul's and King's df2s.
Also Alisa's d4. Drives me nuts.
Most of King moves are a risk especially against Mishimas
@@SantanazationI agree, as a king main there’s nothing worse than having almost your moves blocked just to lose your whole health to a 1,1,2 punish
@@senzsei_ Then get up and be ready for a 50/50 mixup. The people who cry and complain about King have never used him.
@@senzsei_ Hate that move so stupid and unfair
Would be interesting if you make a video of the most annoying move from each character
Yoshis flash was already nerfed, they better not touch it in heat. Also that clip you used was before the nerfs, not to mention flash drains your heat gauge fully just by doing it twice.
10:30 To be fair, King always did have a wave dash. Very few could actually do it. But he always did have a wavedash.
Also kind of surprised Azucena didn't get a mention.
As a Yoshi main I’m so happy to see flash number 1, I love hitting it, so satisfying (also try actually using it, it’s not as easy as you think)
Some picks I have:
Every Mishima ff+2 (impossible to avoid unless they fell asleep)
Leroy d/b+3 (safe on block, evades everything, basically wins the round on counter hit)
Bryan qcf+1 (pseudo electric with infinite range)
Claudio wr+2 (non-existent hurtbox, tracks way more than it should, deals way too much damage)
Xiaoyu aop (good luck playing the game)
Kuma heat smash (tracks way too much)
Lee b+4 (legitimately impossible to whiff punish)
Devil Jin hellsweep (hits you from neptune, can't stay on the ground against it)
Eddy ff+3 (should straight up just be -15 on block)
Jack d/b+1 (shatters your soul)
There's way more that I can't think of at the moment.
quite shocked aop or aop duck isn't in here
Aop?
@@gabevive71 ling's art of phoenix
More of a stance than a move but true
you know what? I fell to loser brackets on one local tournament because of her fckin aop. you can’t even hit her
They've made Tekken 8 a lot more stylish and flashy. But the gameplay of Tekken 7 was a lot better.
Too much heat related stuff, and too many heavy damaging moves to defend and those are Safe. Even if you defend right, you can't punish those moves.
jin down 2 is the worst offender
If we talk about Zafina, her most annoying move is d3. Huge plus on hit, much greater mixup potential with or without MNT stance, ch launcher, spammable.
1:00 Wave dash into throw mix is bad. King players only do that to style on scrubs. It's literally always better to just forward dash to realign.
Have to full disagree. I just think king players aren't used to mixing with it as if they are armor king. On knock down its really good cause you become more ambiguous. You get a faster tracking move from it with chop chop and its safer to candle put of then just forward dash. You also have a chance to low parry with it. Or on purpose if you got your opponent timing.
Bryan's qcb1 and qcf1+2 has to be there. Qcb1 is like an ewgf which reaches full screen and good recovery on whiff, also +5 on block and a CH launcher with insanely huge damage and wall carry with heat.
Waaaaaait wait wait..... as a T.G Yoshi main.........
Shit, I can't come up with a counter-argument......
I got an idea...
*_Flashes argument_*
You deal with flash by using moves that are either long reaching or ones that push him away on block.
Plugging
The objectively correct answer
I'm used to the game, King etc are fine for me. Only annoying move is Jin's forward low hellsweep. Most Jin mains spam it repeatedly. Some fighters aren't equipped to counter it.
I've gotten plenty of hate messages from players over the years calling me a flash spammer and they all without exception over-extend and make no effort to bait it. Flash is highly situational and the hitbox in sword stance is god awful. I think a lot of players go wrong (including this video) thinking of it as a parry. It's not a parry, it's a regular move with startup and recovery. All you've got to do is get in his face and pressure him with quick attacks and mixups. DON'T finish your string if it's being blocked, even if it's usually safe. Learn the common traps and bait it. Be extra careful when he's in no sword stance. Flash is fully punishable when it whiffs.
Yoshi may be unusually strong in 8, mostly because of his carry and damage, but flash has its limits and can be exploited, just like any other move. It just feels unfair because he's the only character who has it. Against good players, opportunities to use flash dry up fast.
It's not that flash has weaknesses but that the rewards are too high. Baiting flash is having to win 2 neutral interactions for the price of one and the risk of getting launched and heat engaged after already winning the first one. It's the fastest move in the game so it can interrupt moves no other move can, you don't even have to do a move, just being too close is a bad idea and Yoshi already thrives on range. When getting mixed up it should be the Yoshi's turn to guess, not mine
@@shaghilathar3588 You have a point, the mixup within flash proximity leans in Yoshi's favour (unless it just trades), but Yoshi has x30 more homework to do in a close quarters situation than the character attacking him does. Yoshi needs to know matchups and flashable weaknesses across the board to be able to rely on flash. A character going up against Yoshi only needs to worry about their own flash-vulnerable moves/strings and work around them. It's worth repeating- a player who respects flash is so risky that often it's just not worth it.
@@lowlifelenny If it's not worth it then why does it work most of the time? Again even if the player can bait it, they shouldn't have to because they are forfeiting a free mix up just for the chance of Yoshi to flash. No other character does this
@@shaghilathar3588 Flash only works in specific situations, usually unique to your character. You can learn those situations and avoid them. If flash whiffs, Yoshi is completely screwed and launchable. You wouldn't walk up to Zangief in SF and do vulnerable strings/mixups in front of him, you'd be dead. You have to drop your rehearsed strategy and think around it. It's a similar thing.
@@lowlifelenny Those situations are quite broad and usually are the situations every other character would have to take a mix up. Again it's the ability to negate a situation no other character can for free, not just the flash itself
The wall comment on infinite azure had me rolling :D
My 10 least favorite moves before watching the video: jin d2, jin uf2, devil jin heat smash, king ffn2, king giant swing, king jaguar step, kazuya hell sweep, every safe high powercrush, law/shaheen slides, yoshi unblockable low
Yeah, Jin's D+2 and Alisa's chainsaws feel like they were purpose-built tools, made to steal a round. I would kill the tracking on Jin's d+2 or greatly reduce the amount of damage he can get off of it as CH - Jin never needed to be an evasive character in addition to making him beginner friendly.
With Alisa, I'd probably remove the plus frames on blocked chainsaw mids, making it neutral, or leave the plus frames but add pushback so shes not in breathing range after poking you.
Dragunov's snake dash 4 is so obnoxious that i wish it was deleted
Honestly the move just needs 3 changes.
1. Change the plus frames to 3 instead of 7.
2. Nerf the overall dmg.
3. Change the properties so it no longer hits grounded.
@@supermodzilla338 I don't mind if it's grounded i just hate that it tracks
Hwoawrang - Marne's Leg the High, safe on block and whiff, homing armor move that launches and screws airborne opponents 😵💫🦿
What I'm most annoyed by in this game is losing fights because I screw up the inputs. You see the perfect opportunity, the wrong move comes out, bam you lose
King - b3, spammable when slightly minus, stealing turns with lowbrisk high reward.
Jin - d2, a frame or two too fast for me to react to midmatch.
Jin - ff2 i cant ss it consistently
Alisa - everything that goes brrrrr
Dragunov - sneak 4
Xiaoyu - launcher throw
Jun - 13f, hp gaining heat smash
Feng - Heat ground stomp thingie
Azucena - i think df1,4, with a further extention beyond that? The high attack being unduckable due to jailing feels awful and catches me out all the time.
Yoshi - flash. I hate how it can clip you in the neutral even if you dont press anything. I dont mind it as a defensive tool though.
Raven - why tf does his parry teleport him across the screen with a fast long range follow up. It feels so frustrating.
Parries in general being fast enough to threaten otherwise guaranteed mixups like frametraps or heat engager mixups feels really really obnoxious too ngl. Theyre already powerful anti-pressure tools, no need to have them remove all semblance of pressure like that.
"Jins d2 is reacable" does not equal its consitantly hard reactabe like some snakeedges. When you even see pro players at offline tournaments eat this move over and over its theoretically reactable, but not practically most of the time when you add movement/Mental stack. This move needs gutting (like -15 AND either minus on hit like all other d2-like attacks or hard reactable (add frames to startup))
Fun video to watch subbed. I also hate some of those moves alot x)
Good video!
To be honest I was kinda hoping you would give general advice on how to act against those moves. Maybe that's stuff for another video?
JIN D2 is reactable AS LONG u play without music, since the BRRRRR sound is a great way of knowing it is coming, I think even the sound starts some frames before the red wing animation.
since I stopped playing with music ingame, I have gotten much better with blocks.
See that's where you've fucked up, if you ALWAYS guess rather than react to the throws then you are surprised and happy when you accidentally get out. Big brain!
This was cool. Makes me think of a space station too haha
Lili and Xiaoyu not being mentioned is crazy. Also nobody talks about how bogus Asuka rage art is, it’s a full parry that you gotta just hold and if they charge it they’re plus.
I hate how hard it is to see char animations in Tekken 8. E.g. is Jin's D2 is usually unseable because it looks the same as his other crouch startup/zen cancel/ducking move but his mids can send you to hell so you focus on that by the time you press a high (to beat his options by frames) is when he uses D2 for a CH. They rarely use it raw especially in mid-higher ranks unless you are conditioned to just eat it in heat because you know a smash will make you drink tea with Jesus. Same as any other character and if you hyper focus on the animations they do a simple launcher like a df2 that looks like a dingy uppercut abusing your tunnel vision to get big damage.
Contrary to popular belief; I actually despise Jin’s 1 3 4 ankle kicker move when spammed because you can mix it up with a 1 2 3 in case you duck to block those low kicks
Smeak 4 has been touched, basically week 1 . Pushback was increased on block.
Flash being the best move in the game shows how much tekken needs a universal reversal option for all characters