EndeavourOS vs Mint vs Windows 11 | Linux gaming vs Windows using a 4080 Super | 1440p | 4k | RT

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  • Опубліковано 25 лис 2024

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  • @casuallygamin9
    @casuallygamin9  22 дні тому +17

    The 0.1% Lows for EndeavourOS are in most games the same as the 1%Lows, this surprised me. It has less stutters then Windows, with RT OFF, at least for games on Steam.

    • @diuran1919
      @diuran1919 21 день тому +1

      few only games.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      @@diuran1919 I will try to do it, in a few videos. This week will be dead, as I have friends coming over, so hopefully by the end of the month I can put something together

  • @linuxnext
    @linuxnext 21 день тому +28

    one thing to note is nvidia under vkd3d/dx12 games are not that optimized with nvidias drivers compared to if you had a amd gpu and used the latest mesa for that amd gpu, nvidia gets pretty close with dxvk/dx11 games vs windows, great video nonetheless :)

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +5

      I know, I have other videos where I use a 7900 XTX and Nobara, and it performs on par with Windows, except Ray Tracing

  • @Jaxon-c4k
    @Jaxon-c4k 21 день тому +10

    I like the layout of your performance charts and how each object has their own unique color. You have it arranged in a way that makes it easy to read and absorb the information quickly. Some channels do a terrible job with this.

  • @chrissncrossn6770
    @chrissncrossn6770 21 день тому +7

    Good Video! It shows, that gaming on linux works.
    Compare Win11 vs CachyOS vs Nobara 40 pls. They are actually called "best gaming distros" :)

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +3

      It's in the pipline, probably a few weeks away

  • @BUDA20
    @BUDA20 21 день тому +4

    because is Wayland vs X11, that counts for some of the discrepancies

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      That could be the case, I just tested the out of the box performance

  • @DanielXavierDosReis
    @DanielXavierDosReis 20 днів тому +1

    Awesome tests! Great charts !

  • @levianan
    @levianan 21 день тому +6

    I have watched several of his videos. On Nvidia, the Linux candidates usually get absolutely smoked while AMD maintains parity.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +4

      Yes, that is true. Hopefully Nvidia drivers will improve.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      Thanks for watching

    • @levianan
      @levianan 21 день тому +1

      @@casuallygamin9 I absolutely love your videos. I always wonder why they don’t get more traction. They are straight forward and not pandering to a side.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      It's normal for a small channel to not be promoted. UA-cam gives a chance for the first 2-3 days and after that it stops promoting the video. Bigger channels have more subscribers, those share the video, and the video get more traction after UA-cam stops pushing their video. It's normal for smaller channels to have less views then bigger one, even if both release a video on the same topic.

  • @ETXD-fb5rn
    @ETXD-fb5rn 20 днів тому +1

    Thanks for such detailed video ❤️

  • @pitape1822
    @pitape1822 20 днів тому +1

    Excellent video! It absolutely matches my tests with my Legion 7 Nvidia 4060. Windows still rules when nvidia drivers used. I can't understand when Linux youtubers say that Linux is faster in most games. They may just test with AMD GPU.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому +1

      I have some previous videos where I test the 7900 XTX and it trades blows with Windows when using the open source drivers in Linux with RT off. I will do a follow-up to that video using the 7900 xtx.

  • @2greenify
    @2greenify 19 днів тому +1

    Great comparison, interesting to watch.
    Leaving this comment to help with the algoritme :)

  • @Jaxon-c4k
    @Jaxon-c4k 21 день тому +2

    I began my Linux Journey during summer and started gaming on it a couple of weeks ago and I'm quite impressed with Proton. EndeavourOS is the distro I'm currently using and I did have to go into the file system and configure it to work correctly with my Nvidia GPU. My display image would crash upon waking my PC from its nap before applying the new changes. Nvidia users probably shouldn't pick EndeavourOS as their beginner distro.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      I had the same issue on Nobara 40, I believe this a Mvidia thing. I'm not sure why you say Nvidia users should avoid it. This was my first time trying a Arch distri. I was on Ubuntu for 4 years and on Nobara since early this year. I didn't find it that hard to use it, you kust need to read the documentation on how to install package and that's it. Want more, then it becomes a bit more complicated, bit this is why there is a community behind every distro.

    • @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet
      @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet 20 днів тому

      @@casuallygamin9 Arch is way better than both. And Ubuntu is a very bad chioce.

  • @__nemesis__1571
    @__nemesis__1571 21 день тому +3

    If you could do with a AMD GPU that would be great, and try cachyos, it is the fastest distro for now , btw nice video tho

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +3

      I will do a 7900 xtx video in the future, that vudeo is in the pipline

    • @__nemesis__1571
      @__nemesis__1571 21 день тому

      @casuallygamin9 it be great if you include cachy Linux or other distros that are the fastest for gaming supposedly, faster kernel, x86-64v3/v4 optimized repos and all

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      I will compare catcyOs and nobara in a future video

  • @achaziel
    @achaziel 21 день тому

    Those are some very interesting results. Endeavour's 0.1% lows being basically identical to its 1% lows is kinda nuts, but Mint is holding its own pretty damn well and trading blows with Endeavour, which I did not see coming.
    This video came at just the right time, I've been going back and forth between sticking with Mint and hopping to Endeavour, which for me had some significant drawbacks because my drawing tablet monitor still relies on X11 to map its touch strips which I use all the time, so switching to Endeavour and using Wayland DEs is out of the question for me right now, sadly. I *do* wonder if running Endeavour with Cinnamon is even worth it though gaming performance wise or if I might as well stick with Mint at that point...

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      There is minimal performance difference between distris in gaming. If you're happy with Mint and given your use case I would stick to Mint. If you're curious and want to try other distros, when it comes to gaming, you will not notice the performance difference.

    • @achaziel
      @achaziel 21 день тому

      @@casuallygamin9 Yeah, that's what I figured. Basically the "only" selling point of Endeavour (for me personally) would be access to the AUR, but that's honestly not the biggest deal. I've already installed the Liquorix kernel on Mint and am only one Nvidia driver version behind, so the difference as you said is probably barely noticeable. Thanks for that sanity check!

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      Glad I could help

    • @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet
      @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet 20 днів тому

      @@achaziel AUR is not the "only" selling point. Arch is better thean Ubuntu/Mint in every single way. Flexible, convenient, faster package manager.

    • @achaziel
      @achaziel 20 днів тому

      @@NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet oh I don't doubt it, but here's the thing - a lot of stuff I rely on for work still only works in X11, I don't spend all day downloading packages and as long as everything works stable and reliably, I personally don't really care all that much about the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, you are not wrong for pointing this stuff out, but different people care about different things. I get the appeal of tinkering and I've done my fair share in a lot of areas, but at the end of the day, for me personally, I want my OS to be just that instead of a hobby in and of itself.

  • @Dennis-ur4zu
    @Dennis-ur4zu 3 дні тому

    thanks for the upload! you don't choose between right or wrong. it's right or comfortable. i chose both: dual boot 💪

  • @Vindisify
    @Vindisify 20 днів тому

    Great video, thank you

  • @sallycakes472
    @sallycakes472 21 день тому

    subscribed and liked. well done on this video. keep up great work. Can i make suggestion please, for ubuntu team use pop os that has nvidia iso, nobara you have mentioned for fedora team. So having all 4 players would be great. pop os, nobara, endevour/cachy and win10/11. i dont know if its a lot of work, but thats what i really love seeing those comparisons. thanks

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      I would not be able to put them side by side. I will have a look at PopOS in the future, but can't promise that this will be right away.

  • @demerdemer328
    @demerdemer328 20 днів тому

    Nice Video, 🎉 thats good to see, that is not a big difference about ubuntu/debian based distro and archlinux distro. Can you also Test Cachyos and Bazzite?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому

      I will do a test for cachyos in the future and also Bazzit, not sure when though

  • @ninamercer6807
    @ninamercer6807 20 днів тому

    Can you compare pop os vs mint? Maybe Pop vs Bazzite vs Nobara?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому +2

      I will do a comparison between PopOS, CachyOS and Nobara 40 by the end of the month.

    • @ninamercer6807
      @ninamercer6807 18 днів тому

      @@casuallygamin9 alright

  • @az9az9az9
    @az9az9az9 16 днів тому

    EndeavourOS stutters way more than what the FPS counter displays. I haven't tested, but it may be caused by GSP firmware, that can not be disabled on open Kernel version of Nvidia driver. I tested Kubunt 24.10 with Open Kernel driver on 4060, mouse pointer was skipping 500 pixels just on KDE desktop.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  16 днів тому

      In the games tested, it didn't stutter, the exception been Alan Wake 2. Enabling RT seems to bring a bit more stutters then when is disabled. EOS seemd more stable though

    • @az9az9az9
      @az9az9az9 16 днів тому

      @@casuallygamin9 Maybe stutter is caused by screen capture software. From video the EndeavourOS Black Myth: Wukong stutters way more than on Linux Mint.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  16 днів тому

      Yes, I saw that as well, I did a mistake. I captured the video at 4k 30 and the others at 1440p 60. It's better to have a look at the framerime graph.

  • @baumstamp5989
    @baumstamp5989 21 день тому +1

    translation of d3d12 to vulkan seems way less efficient than d3d11 to vulkan.
    most dx11 games are very close to windows performance under both linuxes.
    but with dx12 the difference is bigger for almost all cases.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      I think this is aplicabile to Nvidia, I did check a 7900 XTX in Nobara a few videos back, and there is minor performance loss, if any.

    • @ibnlalo
      @ibnlalo 20 днів тому

      ​@@casuallygamin9So Nvidia can iron this out in the future? Very nice...

  • @OyunSanat-x5r
    @OyunSanat-x5r 3 дні тому

    FSR2 was running natively on Linux. Could FSR2 running natively be the reason for the performance degradation on Linux?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  3 дні тому

      I think it's the Nvidia drivers that need to catch up to windows.

  • @jaopolonio5726
    @jaopolonio5726 21 день тому +2

    I don't think the difference is that big, I'm not fanatical enough to play and check the fps all the time, I care more if the game is running smoothly or not. I think the biggest impact would be on competitive fps games, otherwise nothing to care about too much. Linux is advancing every day, one day this difference will be insignificant. I'm on EOS btw.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      The difference can be big in some games from below 30 FPS to staying above 30. Only in theae situations you will notice the difference. How is EOS? I tested only for a few days and I liked it a lot. I'm using Nobara 40 as my daily driver.

    • @jaopolonio5726
      @jaopolonio5726 21 день тому

      @@casuallygamin9 EOS is good in everything, good performance, good community and simplicity with AUR made me choose it, everything can be installed and found very easy. The syntax is very simple and I already have the knowledge, which is why I'm not leaving this distro anytime soon. I was surprised by Mint, maybe I'll give it a try in the future, I didn't know it could perform well in games. I would really like to try Nobara, but I had problems installing it several times.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      I will maybe give EndeavourOS more then a few days and see how it performs as I really liked it.

  • @pnwadventures2955
    @pnwadventures2955 21 день тому

    the 6.11.x kernel is going to be significantly faster than the 6.8.x kernel, as it offers new scheduler options for gamers. I wish you had double checked this scheduling parameter, its a game changer

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      I actually updated Mint, and that was the kernel version that it was. Like I said in the video. I just downloaded the .iso, applied all the updates til the recording date and did the benchmark

    • @pnwadventures2955
      @pnwadventures2955 21 день тому

      @@casuallygamin9 Thank you for your reply, and again, for all the videos you make. I think the Linux space deserves a voice like you on youtube! I understand your approach with the testing to mint and the iso's available to people. But after all, the 6.11 kernel will offer the new scheduling options, and when enabled, might offer great improvements over the base numbers of the ISOs. Maybe worth testing for in a dedicated video, with optimized scheduler settings vs ZEN kernel or similar? I'll try to do some tests here at home, too, and see if this is a topic of interest! Good talking to you and thanks again for your videos

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      EndeavourOS has the 6.11 kernel so does Nobara 40. When it comes to gaming, the limiting factor is the Nvidia driver. With that said, I observed less stuttering on the 6.11 kernel.

  • @Hello-mu1et
    @Hello-mu1et 21 день тому

    I have almost the same system LOL
    Should included Nobara
    Can you do it inside of bottles too?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      I didn't have time to do so, it would have taken me another few days, and since I'm expecting friends to stay with me, the video would have taken to much, and it may have become irrelevant. I will try to do a follow ip and include Nibara in a future video

  • @ibnlalo
    @ibnlalo 20 днів тому

    How did you run Alan Wake 2 with RT? the moment i use it i get 10FPS on a 4070 Ti, is there something i'm missing here?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому +1

      I use proton-ge. You can see in the settings that I use dlss quality. Also it is a stuttery mess, so I can't really say I can run it with RT

    • @ibnlalo
      @ibnlalo 20 днів тому

      @@casuallygamin9 The moment i use pathtracing the performance becomes straight up unplayable, and not even close to Windows. This is either an Alan Wake issue or a VKD3D issue, or maybe even Proton itself?

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому

      Try using different versions of proton proton-ge or wine and see which performs better. I have only a 4080 Super and To me what yo are reporting seems kinda strange.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому

      Though, keep in mind that the 4070 Ti has only 12 GB and that may be the case as proton, wine or any other traslation layer will use extra VRAM as compared to Windows. Here the extra VRAM that most AMD cards have, in the same price range, helps.

    • @ibnlalo
      @ibnlalo 20 днів тому

      @casuallygamin9 I got the super variant with 16 gigs 💀

  • @riboiman4005
    @riboiman4005 21 день тому +2

    I've noticed from personal experience that specifically with Nvidia hardware in Linux, games perform better on Windows when GPU bound and perform better on Linux when CPU bound. I have an i7 11370H with an RTX 3050 Ti laptop GPU.
    An example of this is when I benchmarked Just Cause 4 myself. Windows got better performance when using the whole GPU, and Linux did when using the whole CPU. In Linux, I was at 1080p low settings getting about 60-70 FPS, then all I did was drop the resolution slightly to 900p, and it nearly doubled, going to 110-120 FPS. This is contrary to my all Intel or all AMD computers, which see improved performance across the board when gaming on Linux.
    My tests were independent of the Linux distro too, I've tested many and they do the same thing.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому +1

      Linux tend to be a bit more optimized then Windows. Nvdia does worse in games due to the drivers, not the other components l. This is why on an AMD GPU, there is nor performance loss, or it's minimal without RT.

    • @felipeforte2882
      @felipeforte2882 21 день тому

      Your experiments clearly show how the GPU is the greatest obstacle in performance. They are probably optimized for Windows, and they maintain proprietary drivers, so it's up to the graphics card manufacturer

  • @DongKEKong
    @DongKEKong 21 день тому

    Do this same test, but with gamemode activated in linux, pls.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  21 день тому

      in a future video, I will do that fort sure

  • @qinn1996
    @qinn1996 19 днів тому

    Now I wonder what the test would look like if AMD hardware was used instead of Nvidia

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  19 днів тому +1

      I will do a fallow up with a 7900 XTX in the future

  • @M4R71N_88
    @M4R71N_88 15 днів тому

    Bad comparition brosky. Would make more sense if you would use arch that is optimised for gaming with all gaming stuff installed, and better on amd gpu. I did compare my results with windows 11... 99% linux was better. In terms of windows 10 it was 50/50.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  15 днів тому

      I did test Nobara paired with a 7900 XTX against Windows some time ago and it traded blows with Windows.

  • @StarGazerTrek
    @StarGazerTrek 21 день тому +4

    It does not matter if you get a few more frames on Windows, Linux is private and free, plus beats the hell out of Windows on resource usage.

    • @roklaca3138
      @roklaca3138 20 днів тому +4

      @@StarGazerTrek but none of you mention how much hassle it is to get to that point...no distro is like this outt of the box

    • @StarGazerTrek
      @StarGazerTrek 20 днів тому +1

      @@roklaca3138 CachyOS, Nobara, Garuda, and the list is longer. Try those, game out of the box! : D You're welcome.

    • @FaustRSI
      @FaustRSI 13 днів тому +2

      @@StarGazerTrek bullshit. Nobara and Garuda won't even support my PC/GPU because it's "too old" for them. But it's surely not too old for Win10.

    • @StarGazerTrek
      @StarGazerTrek 13 днів тому

      @@FaustRSI I am sorry to hear that. However, we are talking about gaming and by default in generally the requirements for hardware is going to be pretty advanced given the nowadays 3d games specifically.
      Also, consider the next thing: Desktop environment actually determines as well in Linux if you have enough resources or not.

    • @FaustRSI
      @FaustRSI 13 днів тому +1

      @@StarGazerTrek We are talking about Win, however bad it is, DOES NOT throw any limitations at me, and I can play whatever my craррy hardware can handle without ever thinking about it being "incompatible" with the system itself. Or maybe in your mind anything released not in 2024, i.e. nowadays, is not worth gaming? You are as far from gaming as those in Garuda or Nobara then.

  • @VisceralMonkey504
    @VisceralMonkey504 22 дні тому +1

    Poor performance from Linux in general unless at 4k. The "sweet spot" is something like a 6-7 frame difference, perhaps 10 at the utmost. Anything more than that and there is zero reason to use Linux for gaming over Windows unless it's some kind of weird moral issues for the end-user. Using Nobara or CatchyOS would probably close this gap more but Endeavor is no slouch, so maybe not.
    Good video, thanks for doing the testing.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  22 дні тому +2

      Yep. the performance loss is kinda big when using a Nvidia card. As for different distros, these perform more or less the same. I have now Nobara 40 installed, I added the kernel and the video driver that it uses in this video, but there is no performance difference.

    • @VisceralMonkey504
      @VisceralMonkey504 21 день тому

      @@casuallygamin9 Good stuff. Thanks.

    • @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet
      @NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet 20 днів тому

      Windows is a crap. Everybody should avoid it at all costs. And let's test some Linux native games on Windows? How will be the performance, what do you think?

  • @mr_hardy5329
    @mr_hardy5329 21 день тому +4

    EndeavorOS ❤️

  • @tawandagamedevs
    @tawandagamedevs 21 день тому

    EndeavorOS is more stable

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому

      This was my experience as well, albit a short one

    • @demerdemer328
      @demerdemer328 20 днів тому

      Mint is way more stable than EndeavorOS

    • @tawandagamedevs
      @tawandagamedevs 20 днів тому

      @demerdemer328 look at the1% lows and 0.1%

    • @demerdemer328
      @demerdemer328 20 днів тому

      @@tawandagamedevs maybe, but the diff. still is not so big. Endeavpurs has not Secureboot or good Antivirus Comtapility compare with Mint. Gaming isnt all! A good mix is the best

  • @Amaqse
    @Amaqse 20 днів тому

    why the hell anyone would test gaming performance on endevoure insted of nobara or pika or bazzite? theres literally gaming distros . . . . and again, mint is not stable its old. Old stuff is not automaticaly stable.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому +3

      Well, I'm not sure what you think a gaming distro is. I did a few videos featuring Nobara on this channel. Gaming distros come with everything set up for gaming, that's it. Those don't have anything new, or any improvements over other distros. Plis, these two distros are quite popular, and perform more or less the same.

  • @chad_8313
    @chad_8313 20 днів тому

    Ouch. Windows is absolutely crushing Linux in performance.
    Not to mention with Linux, you're always in danger of your game losing support or being blocked entirely (I.e. Apex Legends)
    Sorry Linux fans, your OS is simply bad for gaming. As annoying as Windows 11 is, it's still the best for gamers.

    • @ibnlalo
      @ibnlalo 20 днів тому

      You can have both, because the reason we do it is to not rely on Microsoft entirely. Some prefer to dual-boot while some use virtual machines.

    • @casuallygamin9
      @casuallygamin9  20 днів тому +2

      I use both as I olay games online with friends, and some are not available on Linux.

    • @M4R71N_88
      @M4R71N_88 15 днів тому

      If he used amd gpu and arch with cash kernel and all gaming packages... it smokes win 11 out of water