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If you actually count the time that passed during the 8 seasons of the show, Arya is believed to be 18 years old in Season 8 while Gendry is believed to be around 23 (though his age isn't confirmed onscreen) in the story. In real life, actors Maisie Williams and Joe Dempsie are 22 and 31 respectively here. Yeah she is petite, but don't be fooled by appearances, its just perception at the end of the day.
🎉🎉 Love the coupling, and Stevie Wonder could see Sansa&Theon or Arya & Danjre and Jamie & Breine coupling. A real shock is tourman and Terian. 😅 hooking up. Please. . Oh yes, have your tv on the brightest setting.
@blissinchains I'm waiting for SNOW Wish there was a dragon and a short sassy Queen in it. Season 8 writers should be banned 😤 but GAME OF THRONES gave me hrs of enjoyment and viewing party nights.
The knighting of Brienne is one of the best scenes of the whole series. Watch it again. There is so much being said without words, the facial expressions, eye contact, head nods, the background music, Brienne's final smile, etc. When Jaime is saying the words to knight her, you realize that she has already done all of that, she has always been a knight.
The Jenny of Oldstones song from the book was a remarkable choice for this scene. Master Aemon's brother, King Aegon V, had Duncan and Jaehaerys. Duncan was heir to the iron throne and gave up this title because he fell in love with a commoner, Jenny of Oldstones. His brother, Jaehaerys, took up the title of heir and later became king. Jaehaerys then had Aerys II, the mad king, who was his heir and later became king. Essentially, Duncan's love for Jenny is what started this story, and the song leads up to the last two remaining Targaryens, Aegon and Daenerys.
And to top it off Brienne is theorised amongst us book readers as a descendent of Duncan the Tall (which GRRM confirmed I believe). A secret which hasn't been revealed yet in the books, as the Tales are incomplete. The name of the episode is about Brienne becoming a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
Didn't Duncan blow up the dragon's place. where they had all the dragons stored underground with wildfire, and destroyed all the eggs and thats why there are very little dragons left? Or were they gone before that? I don't remember.
@@bel410la they were gone before. Aegon V tried to do a ritual to awaken some eggs, but he ended up burning down the castle killing himself, Sir Duncan, and his son Duncan. Along with a bunch of other people. Jenny wasn't there, so the song mentions that she walks the ruins of the place Duncan died. Also, Rhaegar Targaryen was born on the same day of this incident, hence he was given the nickname the last dragon. Common folk believed Aegon V's ritual created Rhaegar.
Also, the song has even more powerful impact when you know how the story of Jon and Dany ends, imo. Every time I hear it (especially Florence the Machine version) I have goosebumps and I feel like the lyric is abt Daenerys... 😔😔 🖤
The song really did it justice. Both versions of the song are haunting and emotional and probably one of the best moments of the entire show, despite it being the most hated season.
16:47 Spartan is way ahead of the game in understanding Dany here. “It’s a love that she wants but she’s not getting in these lands. It’s a love that has to be earned through time and experience and bonds. Not just “I’m the Queen”. 💯
How about "I'm the only Queen in this (or any other kingdom) who turned up with an army (or two) to save your sorry ungrateful arses (again) when I could have been taking King's Landing and the Iron Throne"?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 She would of still have had to fight the white walkers out side Kings landing without the help of the north, the north being added to the white kings army so your point is lost.
@@doommonger7784no, it’s not lost. she pledge to fight for them even before jon chose to bend the knee to her, and everyone would be dead if it weren’t for her, her dragons and her army.
@@K-J-A they've already finished the series.... they have a patreon i know they're wayyy ahead and have already finished. i would never purposely spoil it .
Honestly the Brienne knighting scene, is possibly one of the best scenes in the entire series. Definitely the most earned one, in season 8. Its just perfect. Always tears me up.
For all the things you can fault about this season, one big bright spot for me is the scene where Brienne was knighted. She deserves it and you can tell how much it meant to her.
We are very near at the end. Thanks Spartan & Pudgey for such good reactions. Soak this all up. You never see another series as lore rich and interesting as this. I have rewatched GOT 8 times already
I remember how emotional this episode was! The Theon scenes hit me the most especially the one with Sansa when he asked to fight for Winterfell. Brought a tear to my eye seeing his redemption.
Thanks for reacting. I think this is the best episode of season 8. As for Arya, she's about 18 at this point, (each season is roughly a year - she says she was 11 in season one, and season 8 is just starting), and Maisie Williams was 22. She just looks young.
Well if she is old enough to brutally murder an entire house, the Freys, and to cook human bits into a meat pie, I guess she's also old enough to have sex 🤷♂
This is my favorite episode in season 8, absolutely amazing!! 17:12 note that Davos and Gilly had been with Shireen in some scenes before she died and she was a delight to them. Now in this scene they both remember her which is why you can hear the Shireen theme song playing in the background.
I like it a lot as well, but I do have to skip past the part of Arya stripping before jumping on Gendry.. I dunno, having watched her grow up in the show, it just feels icky :p
Funny how Spartan thought this episode "missed the mark", when the general consensus is that this is, by far, the best episode of Season 8. Wonder if he'll feel the same after this season...
This entire season missed the mark. Just horrendous writing , especially the dialogue, characters completely changing and cringe fan service garbage. A few good moments, but overshadowed by some absolute nonsense. I can't rewatch anything past the 3rd episode and even those are a struggle.
@@themetalpig7613 This is the first time I've "rewatched" season 8, if you could call it that. This season really kills the rewatchability of the other seasons too, knowing that this is how it ends. Luckily I've had 12 years to reread the series more times than I can count. I got into the books after Feast and in those 17 or so years I've only had the excitement of one new book release. Crossing my fingers TWoW is ever released. I'm not dumb or naive enough to think A Dream of Spring is ever going to see the light of day.
@@Jon.A.Scholtit's so funny, I've re-watched the first 6 seasons many times and I love it each and every time, and this is also my first time re-watching season 7/8 and it's kind of killing me all over again
Spartan nails it at 16:40. The depth of loyalty and affinity with each other and the land is what makes the Starks legitimate in the North. They have earned their power by defending the people. Dani has similar relationships with people who would die for her. She has won a country and the loyalty of its people. But that country is across the ocean. She's in the wrong country here, on the wrong continent. And she is starting to realize that, although she cannot admit it to herself.
I think I speak for most. When we were watching these episodes, and we were in a comfortable place, with people we loved, we all cried like babies. That's why we watch other people react, because we want to go back to those days and "feel" like that again. A lot of us still cry every time we see some of these scenes. Please never make fun of each other for showing emotions, it's the greatest thing god gave mankind.
I completely understand Dany's position. Most of her life she's been through so much trying to take her family's throne back and now all of a sudden she might lose everything she's been fighting for just because a male heir appeard out of nowhere. Having said that, I do agree that it was a little disappointing that that was the first thing she thought of (the throne). When I first watched this episode I expected her to be at least a bit happy that she's no longer the last Targaryen.
@@Raminagrobisfr the invented stuff, 1st of all jon isn't meant to be legitimate, he'll find out he's actually a targaryen bastard 2nd even if he's legitimate he's not heir still, cuz the mad king disinherited rhaegar
Jaime knights Brienne with Widow's Wail, while she has Oathkeeper with her. It's the symbolic coming together of the Two Swords Tywin re-forged from Ned Stark's sword Ice. Where else but in Winterfell. With the knighting it's like Ice is whole once again. That was a nice touch, dare I say. The first time Jaime saw Brienne was as a prisoner, during that heated "Kingslayer? What a King he was!" back and forth with Catelyn which revolved around questions of forsaken vows, honor and knighthood. Now that conversation is complete.
Actually. When Jamie attacked Ned Stark in the streets of kings landing, they werent at war. War started the moment Robb refused Joffreys royal command and raised his army to march on Winterfell after Ned was imprisoned. Jamie commited a war crime by attacking Ned when they werent at war
This was my favorite episode of the season. Brienne getting knighted, Podrick's song, and the constant feeling of inescapable dread. It did a lot of things right.
Don’t think it was showing Theon and sansa in a romantic way it’s more about the bonds that have been built over the seasons and what is about to be lost if the living loose this battle
I mean it's up for interpretation I suppose but every other "bond" depicted during that montage were romantic ones. But it's still not priority where Theon and Sansa are concerned, they are the only ones who can fully relate to each other.
Jaime knighting Brianne was amazing for both of them. For her, becoming officially what she has always been, and for him- “to protect the innocent”, he did so when he saved kings landing but never could carry the name officially after that.
God I wish they had made a full version or longer version of Podrick singing Jenny of Oldstones. He has a great voice and it really hits me every time I rewatch that scene, the way the music swells
It doesn't make Dany one dimensional because she was concerned that Jon may be the rightful heir!Lineage is the most important equation so she wasn't going to celebrate having another Targaryen ahead of her for the throne.
me too. she's finally happy, seemingly, the day before everyone will likely die. In that moment, realizing she got to be happy, truly happy, if only for a moment... :/
_"Tyrion brings up the fact that Davos survived the Battle of the Blackwater. _*_Tyrion._*_ To _*_Davos._*_ And Davos _*_makes a quip._*_ I guess the writers kinda forgot about Davos’ only son dying a horrible fiery death as a result of Tyrion’s plan to defend the city."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
You realize plenty of people have dark humor right? They joke about tragedy as a coping mechanism. So this is not a stretch or somehow ridiculous Davos didn't just break down at the word blackwater & cry for his kid.
I disagree. This episode was great. One of the best in my opinion. And I do not agree about your feeling on Dany and Jon. How should she have reacted? She was shocked and has believed forever that she is the last of her House. It was basically a bombshell for her. It would have been bad writing if she just accepted it and was super happy about it.
Oh man, I can't wait till they explain the "intelligence" of the White Walkers and (at least some kind of) reasons behind them leaving symbols around, in one of the next episodes. We've been waiting for that since the very first 5 minutes of the show, when they showed us their first symbol, so I'm sure it's going to be good and blow our minds. And I can't wait to see this new world Dany will create, and who she'll award power/authority to, as I'm sure she won't just go back to just handing out castles to people based on who their father was, since her entire storyline has been around "breaking the wheel" and removing "old power".
@@hokagedlo6133wrong. Look at the Stark family tree again. They were first cousins once removed. Lyarra was first cousins with Rikard’s father. Rikard’s grandfather and Lyarra’s father were brothers.
Pods singing near the end reveals something from season 3 when Tyrion brought him to a brothel. The ladies gave the gold back not because he was an exceptional lover but because he was a beautiful singer and sang to them.
it is crazy to think that it's been 9-10 months since you guys started Game of Thrones Journey and here I am every episode reaction, and it has been an absolute blast watching you two be enthralled with this franchise the same way I was back then.
29:21 _"While arming a main character with a Valyrian steel sword right before this big important fight is clearly a good idea, this again reminds me of the conflict foregone at the end of last season where Jorah was absolutely fine with the idea of Jon. Never mind that Jon’s got the Mormont sword from Jeor’s own hands and was winning the love of the woman Jorah wanted. Jealousy? Nah. Jorah’s fine with the fact that Jon got everything Jorah wanted in his adult life. Who needs conflict in their story anyway! And also this reminds me that there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
_"...there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane"_ Well to be fair, Randyll and Dickon were burned to a crisp and therefore in no position to pursue the matter...
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Days, weeks, and probably even months passed _after_ Sam took Heartsbane, and _before_ his brother and father were killed. There was plenty of time for consequences. When they fought Dany, they had swords on them, so clearly someone realized Heartsbane was gone.
Danny’s reaction makes sense to me because Jon has literally been a completely different person to her since he found out.. he’s done a complete 180 on her and she’s also been made to feel like an outsider at Winterfell at every turn and his family has made her known they don’t like her or accept her regardless of his love for her.. so he’s been cold and distant so in that moment when now he tells her, his coldness can easily be interpreted at his feelings for her have changed and can feed into anyone’s insecurities because in this world everyone wants to be king so I get it
It felt less like her reaction to her treatment in the North (although surely that's a part of it) but simply because, as she said to Sansa she's been driven to the Iron Throne since she was a child. She's had a one-track mind about it her entire life. John is suddenly potentially standing in the way. That's what it felt like to me.
She IS an outsider at Winterfell. She's an outsider in Westeros. She has no legitimacy as a leader in Westeros, and the people do not recognize her as one. Now, finding out that she also doesn't have the best claim to the throne is clearly shocking and devastating. It's her whole life. If her efforts fail, then all of the suffering she has been through was for nothing in her mind.
@@johnalden5821Then maybe she should expect her treatment in Westeros, like a competent adult, instead of whining that no one instantly worships her godliness.
@@SnailHatan Oh, I totally agree. And I further think that her inability to master this one last step toward maturity is a factor in what eventually happens to her. She feels she is entitled. . .literally.
part of what makes this interesting is how different dany is from jon and sansa in terms of ruling. dany has freed and conquered cities, but we saw how hard it was for her to actually sit down and rule them. even in mereen, she didn't have the loyalty of her vassals, of her lords, of her people. that's why it's hard for her to understand the relationship between say sansa and brienne. sansa is totally on board for killing jamie, up until brienne, her sworn sword, protector, and confidante, steps up and vouches for him. the thing about swearing to a lord- you fight for them, but they also have to fight for you. sansa made promises to brienne, ones she must keep. just like the lords of the vale- they fight for her, but she has duties to them and if they aren't kept those alliances break down. dany isn't used to this. she doesn't know how to play this game.
You're ignoring the fact that she secured the loyalty, love and respect of both the unsullied and the Dothraki through sheer cunning and strategic emotional intelligence. Before all the nonsensical character writing post S6, she was the only character in this show that i could confidently say who's army/people would never betray her, the ONLY one. Not even Ned or Drogo had that. She can definitely play the game so all this S8 stuff is just blatantly out of character to fit an equally nonsensical ending. And speaking of promises: "You will be my Khalasar. I see the faces of slaves. I free you. Take off your collars. Go if yo wish, no one will stop you. But if you stay, it will be as brothers and sisters, as husbands and wives...I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen of the blood of Old Valyria. I am the Dragon's daughter. And I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming." - Daenerys 1x10. So she does understand.
it's different in Westeros. it's more civilized and less cuthroat(even if KL was known for politcial backstabbing). That is something Dany will never get use to. It's more about politics. That is the tragedy of Dany, she comes back "home" but it's a strange foreign land to her.
Great point. The people that love her were slaves. Their mindset is "Of course everyone has the right to freedom! Except the masters or anyone we deem bad - they don't get second chances. They deserve to be burned." It's understandable, but it's hypocrisy.
Sansa already had the good nature, loyalty and strong will of the Starks. But it was her lessons from being around Cersei, Margaery, Littlefinger and Tyrion, some of the best to ever play the game that made her this way. Lastly, Sansa remembers what got her brother killed, she didn't want John to make the same mistakes as Rob did.
@@laza0202 She was smart enough to try to get Jon killed in battle by not telling him about the Knights of the Vale, then undermining him at Winterfell, then metaphorically stabbing him and her Queen both in the back. It worked, as she got exactly what Littlefinger had suggested she wanted - to be the Lady of Winterfell.
To be fair, Ned Stark's biggest mistake was entrusting Sansa with the information that he intended to secretly leave KL with his family to ensure their safety. Jon is about to repeat Ned's mistake in trusting Sansa.
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Ned Starks biggest mistake was telling Cersei he knew her kids were not fathered by Robert. Your blind hatred of Sansa is laughable, John was named King in the North not the Lord of Winterfell, Sansa was always Lady of Winterfell once it was retaken. She also saved Johns skin at the battle of the bastards even after she had warned him not to fall into a Ramsey trap when he ignored her advice.
@@doommonger7784 I am sorry no... Had she tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale, there would be no need to save his skin afterwards, because Jon would go to battle with a plan and not to a suicide mission. She was at the stage she couldn't trust anyone not even her siblings(Arya and Jon) that's why she was doing things behind the curtains, and she continously was undermining Jon. She didn't believe he could be a good leader. Also we saw in many scenes that she wanted to lead Winterfell, she even discussed it with Lf. She just thought she could do better. And we saw and we will see it many times again.
people always seem to forget that sansa quite literally suffered and bled for northern independence. she was beaten for every victory robb had during the war and it makes so much sense why she’d have issues with jon bending the knee to daenerys when it wasn’t necessary.
@@dulcetaffairs Jon bent the knee because Dany risked her life and Viserion to save a bunch of strangers (besides Jorah of course) when she didn't have to and with nothing to gain from it. Sansa doesn't know this so she resorts to making insulting assumptions instead. The point is her character is inconsistent, one day she's pro independence the next day she's anti independence. And the "battle of the bastards" wasn't to take back the North it was to take back winterfell. If the North wants to be independent then they have to negotiate for it like everyone else. But instead of being the wise and tactful diplomat like Yara Greyjoy she prefers to openly antagonize Dany like a child who's learned nothing these past 6 years. Great character, that Sansa.
Though I do wonder why they went through with that scene since visually it looks very jarring imo (because like you said the actress still looks like a kid)
I love this episode, this is the first episode where we have the majority of the characters together in one place, all of them waiting for the storm to come, it’s a veré nostalgic episode and one of my favorites. Something to point out and I realize this while watching this reaction is how Daenerys says to Sansa “I wish I have that kind of faith from my advisors” I mean, you’ve had! She has sir Jorah and Grey worm, Missandai and she had Barriatan, I don’t know why the writers made her say something lika that…
"He's bringing all the dead people back to life and they've put the women and children in a crypt with all the dead people. Tyrion is smart but I guess not that smart." - Peter Dinklage
Nothing in the series to this point suggested that this was a bad idea. Safest place in Winterfell. Only time we had seen him raise the dead was Hardhome and that only raised those who were immediately killed in that battle. Nothing suggested he could raise the dead of those killed long ago.
im sorry but if i were dany i would have changed my hand, people (in universe) have too much sympathy for the mistakes tyrion has been making since season 6. Honestly it feels like d&d are trying to gaslight the audience into feeling like dany's anger towards tyrion's mistakes is unjustified, to try and push the "angry mad woman" into dany.
yea I mean logically Dany should have dumped Tyrion a long time ago but also I blame D & D for making Tyrion so dumb. You could have had her side take some Ls while not totally being cause of Tyrion. Tyrion suddenly trusting Cersei is just ridiculous and not in-character.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 oh yeah absolutely i agree, tyrion was a smart and cunning man in kings landing. D&d completely destroyed his character, and took away all his anger towards his family and especially cersei to turn him into a one dimensional fool. He never trusted cersei even when their relationship was more "cordial". Almost no character was spared from their terrible writing.
@@vbb2076 yea I mean the fun of Season 2 was seeing Tyrion as Hand out playing her at every turn. Cause he knows Cersei is a snake. All the smart characters turned dumb the moment GRRM's writing was not there anymore.
the story should have had them abandon winterfell and retreat to king's landing in the south. the story has foreshadowed the mad king using wildfire to burn the city down, it's effectiveness against stannis, and the tv show showed cersei using wildfire against the high sparrow. wildfire has been a constant reoccurring element or motif. this can also line up with dany snapping. dany is forced to work with cersei, and watch cersei be smug from the iron throne. the undead have consumed the seven kingdoms. dany and jon's romance as well as jon's true heritage is revealed, complicating the situation, and they leave things off in uncertain terms as they go off to fight the undead. somehow, they seem to be winning. and cersei decides to unleash the wildfire with the undead and all the humans fighting inside it. she doesn't care. she only has a smug smirk on her face. the wildfire explodes. it kills so many people. and dany loses it. dany burns down the red keep. and she gets off drogon as she climbs the ruins of the room for the iron throne. finally. it's hers. her destiny. and arya can kill cersei while pretending to be jaime, making her confess all her sins. people can start siding with jon instead and dany believes that she can keep their support through marriage. she has lost much of her forces and allies, and jon has become the person that she has to rely on. not sure how tyrion, sam, and bran are moving this version of the story along. even with wrapping up the white walker story arc, there is still a matter of succession. the possible contenders are dany targaryen, jon targaryen, tyrion lannister, and bran stark. dany and jon could still have their tragic love, and jon could kill a dany that he tries to stop but he has to kill her. he has to make the decision now, unlike with ygritte. and now everyone sees jon as a possible king. they don't see any other choice. but jon says that he doesn't want to be king. and he gives it up. and you can have bran be king. if that's what grrm told d&d, then fine. do that. i'm not going to pretend like my ideas are any good or come close to answering all the stuff in this show's story, let alone the book's story. but some choices... some choices i just disagree with.
The WW symbols don’t mean anything. D&D confirmed it. They just thought it looked cool. I remember so many people having theories on it, but it was basically pointless. And after S8, I realized some of S7 scenes are now pointless as well since the topics are never picked back up or made no difference to the outcome.
If I had had sex with a woman whom I shortly after discovered is my aunt, I'd feel quite awkward too. I mean Daenerys herself is inbred, as her father and mother were siblings by long Targaryen custom. I don't think Jon finds the idea appealing regardless of his innate attraction to her. He's raised as a traditionalist Stark after all.
@@cambelloroxy9420 Lyarra Stark was a first cousin once removed of Ned's father Rickard. Cousin marriage wasn't considered incest in medieval times. Tywin married his cousin Joanna Lannister. And look back further than that and you have many marriages in house Stark with other northern houses, even some southern ones.
Arya doesn't really care about Gendry, she knows she trusts him, but she's not in love or anything. And she doesn't care about pleasantries anyway, she's too straight forward and self important to want a guy to romance her. It's just as she says: she wants to know what it's like because they're probably going to die. In a way, I think that's a really healthy outlook from her.
I disagree. I think she truly meant they could be family all those seasons ago & that easily could become love that they touched on in this scene. She just didn't have it in her to stay in one place & tend to that love so it could grow (especially after all the death & pain in her life & caused by her too). Did Nymeria not love Arya? I think she did. She just couldn't be tame.
Whose incompetence? Tyrion at least offers advice even if it has been bad... what exactly has Varys contributed since joining Dany? Her advisors have been failing her badly. That's incompetence.
Who is blindly supporting Jon? Jon & many blindly supported Dany though because superficially "slavery bad", "break the wheel", "I won't burn people" sounds good vs looking at her consistent history of fire and blood.
Ypu know what's funny? The fact that Bran knows the knightking will come to him. And they do nothing about making atleast traps or defend more skilled army besides bran. Bran 3 eyed raven for nothing
10:38 Tyrion has been an absolute shit Hand to Dany since the very beginning. He never earned it in the first place. It was total contrivance by the show.
If you look it up, there's a google graph of popularity of people googling Massie William's (Arya) age, and there's an ENORMOUS spike when this episode aired.
"we are in a crypt, Nobody thought of that.. He is bringing all the dead people back to life, and they put the women and children in a Crypt with all the dead people . So....Tyrion he is smart but I guess Not smart" Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister)
Thank god they have their main army out of the castle walls, their artillery out of thr castle, the horse men out on the front line. How can Jon and the other soldiers think this strategy was a good idea like fuck send one volley of artillery then stop using it Dan and David really messed up with the long night
It didn't miss the mark. This is GoT, obviously not a touchy feely series.. the sentimental moments we got here is way more than could have been expected. Also after this episode aired, I remember " how old is Arya/Maisie Williams" trending online 😄 everyone was a little weirded out because yeah, we watched this chick grow up on screen. The shock reaction was kind of standard when this aired😄
When Misandei told Grey Worm that she'd wanna go to Naath, he would die if he did. Naath island is full of poisonous butterflies from which only locals are inmune of.😂
What's interesting about the prophecy is, it says the "Prince that was promised" not the "King". So i thunk that might have been a hint that he wouldn't take the iron throne, just that he was meant to save the world
30:18 _"And another good moment here. Finishing ‘Jenny of Oldstones’ is definitely the best thing Weiss did for this season. Montage works here too, no complaints."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
spartan, the thing is: when dany arrived at westeros, she didn’t expect to be loved because “she is the queen”. she was willing to fight to save the world without getting anything in return, and then it was JON who chose to bend the knee to her and lose his crown. this season, the writers turned dany into something she never was: delusional. throughout the series, dany stated more than twice that she is aware that people are not gonna love her because she is the rightful queen of westeros. the problem here is the attempt of the writers to antagonize dany, bringing character aspects that were never there to begin with.
I remember one of the most googled things after this episode aired was the age of Maise and Arya!! People still thought of her as a child and it shocked them. Theon is my favorite character in this show. The character growth is amazing, the fact that you hate him when he first shows up and cry over him now is such good character writing!!
Sansa be like: you bring your armies and dragons and use them in the front line to fight the night king, but eat no food from the north,. then go south to kill my worse enemy and give us the North's independence cause we don't need you!
Dany reacted that why because remember in House of the Dragon : lords prefer Men on the Throne rather than Woman ( they wanted Aegon even though Rhaenyra was the heir)
Arya is 18 in the show and Gendry is 22 I believe. And as weird as that scene was, and how much it makes me uncomfortable(We've literally seen her grow up since the actress was 11, and the character was 12) I really like it. I think that Arya being someone who has always said f-u to societal norms of this world being someone who was able to choose when, where and with who she has her first time makes sense. Not many women in this world get to choose who they are with, and someone she trusts and cares about-Gendry, being her choice makes sense. She had a crush on him when they were little and now they are older and might die, I understand where her heads at.
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This was a nice episode relatively speaking but my big problem with it is that it takes up 1/6th of the final season. If this was a normal 10 episode season then it would be great. But it takes up too much time on character stuff imo when there is so much plot to get through in the last 4 episodes. Ideally, you would have a 10 episode season so you can have good character episodes like this without needing to condense and rush major plot stuff and/or rush other character arcs that happen in the next section of the season
ive binge watched the first 7 seasons of your reactions in the last 3 weeks so you have been my daily watch....... The last 3 days have been a nightmare waiting for the next episode !!
I'd been shipping Arya and Baratheon's bastard for a while, this episode gave what I wanted 😂 you guys just slept on her thinking she'd die a virgin 🤦🏻♂️ she's a woman who owns herself and her choices. Hell yeah, we might be dead tomorrow, so let's do IT!
13:57 *_“[Tyrion] owns his [mistakes] and learns from them”_* _could also have been a pretty powerful argument…if it wasn’t contradicted by pretty much everything we’ve seen him do. Did I imagine him denying he’d made any mistakes in his handling of Meereen, back in season six? I don’t think I did… Incidentally, this is now dialogue exchange three between Dany and her advisors going over the point that Tyrion’s given some shitty advice. This is the most useful of the three, because it expresses the central problem and depicts one of the parties actually making a decision about how they’re going to handle it. It’s also the third goddamn time in under twenty minutes we’ve been over the same issue with more or less the same people in the same political context"_ *-TURTLE PACED*
19:19 _"Theon defending Bran, whether or not it happens in the books, is a logical thing for the character trying to make up for some of the bad shit he did earlier."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
The symbol we saw at the Umbars was not the same as the symbol we saw in episode one. It was the same as the symbol that Mance Rayder and John came upon, made by bodies of horses, that spurred Mance on to tell his people to climb the wall and wait for his signal.
This one is my favourite episode of season 8 ! I remember in the week after its release, I was pretty much frantic, making theories with my brother and my friends about which characters were about to die ; there are sooo many beloved characters being together in a very dangerous situation
I think Daenerys’s reaction was completely understandable, like she just found out that everything she believed she is is a lie. Her whole world just came crashing down when she found out that. She built this entire army to take back the seven kingdoms for her family, she brought dragons back to the world and now might have to pass it all over to Jon simply because he’s a male heir. I was actually shocked that you thought she would take it well 😂
26:26 _"I know this scene made a fair few people uncomfortable, since they still saw Arya as a child. This is not helped by the show not giving a good sense of the passage of time. Tommen overtook Arya’s aging. Cersei’s been pregnant for how long now? So it’s incredibly unclear how old Arya’s supposed to be. Then there’s the fact that the last time Arya saw Gendry, she was unmistakably a child, and her crush on him was a child’s crush. The last information we got about Arya and romance, she was processing why she liked looking at him with his shirt off and why she wanted him to keep travelling with her. In the time they’ve spent apart, none of Arya’s development has even touched on her sexual maturity. The relationship went from the Westerosi equivalent of “he’s not my boyfriend! I just happen to be here every time he’s working in the forge shirtless!” to “let’s fuck in the courtyard” with only a few scenes of flirting to cover the gap. This is a case where a relationship picking up where it left off really could have used a little more work, I think."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
I mean Dany lost a dragon fighting against the wights and she's now in Winterfell risking her life... I get Sam's sadness towards his family (the again, how they treated him...) but when it counts, at least on this account, she's selfless.
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I hope you turned your brightness up for the next episode
If you actually count the time that passed during the 8 seasons of the show, Arya is believed to be 18 years old in Season 8 while Gendry is believed to be around 23 (though his age isn't confirmed onscreen) in the story. In real life, actors Maisie Williams and Joe Dempsie are 22 and 31 respectively here. Yeah she is petite, but don't be fooled by appearances, its just perception at the end of the day.
🎉🎉 Love the coupling, and Stevie Wonder could see Sansa&Theon or Arya & Danjre and Jamie & Breine coupling. A real shock is tourman and Terian. 😅 hooking up. Please. . Oh yes, have your tv on the brightest setting.
This was my favorite episode of Season 8
@blissinchains I'm waiting for SNOW Wish there was a dragon and a short sassy Queen in it. Season 8 writers should be banned 😤 but GAME OF THRONES gave me hrs of enjoyment and viewing party nights.
The knighting of Brienne is one of the best scenes of the whole series. Watch it again. There is so much being said without words, the facial expressions, eye contact, head nods, the background music, Brienne's final smile, etc. When Jaime is saying the words to knight her, you realize that she has already done all of that, she has always been a knight.
Jaime just gave her the greatest gift possible-- publicly affirming she earned the respect of her peers, doing what she knows is her purpose.
Brienne has always been a knight, just like ser duncan the tall
There were a few scenes like that. Everyone squabbling over chairs at the small council table, without talking, was a good one
I love how Pod calls her a liar without saying a word when she says "I don't want to be a knight".
The Jenny of Oldstones song from the book was a remarkable choice for this scene. Master Aemon's brother, King Aegon V, had Duncan and Jaehaerys. Duncan was heir to the iron throne and gave up this title because he fell in love with a commoner, Jenny of Oldstones. His brother, Jaehaerys, took up the title of heir and later became king. Jaehaerys then had Aerys II, the mad king, who was his heir and later became king. Essentially, Duncan's love for Jenny is what started this story, and the song leads up to the last two remaining Targaryens, Aegon and Daenerys.
And to top it off Brienne is theorised amongst us book readers as a descendent of Duncan the Tall (which GRRM confirmed I believe). A secret which hasn't been revealed yet in the books, as the Tales are incomplete. The name of the episode is about Brienne becoming a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
Didn't Duncan blow up the dragon's place. where they had all the dragons stored underground with wildfire, and destroyed all the eggs and thats why there are very little dragons left? Or were they gone before that? I don't remember.
@@bel410la they were gone before. Aegon V tried to do a ritual to awaken some eggs, but he ended up burning down the castle killing himself, Sir Duncan, and his son Duncan. Along with a bunch of other people. Jenny wasn't there, so the song mentions that she walks the ruins of the place Duncan died. Also, Rhaegar Targaryen was born on the same day of this incident, hence he was given the nickname the last dragon. Common folk believed Aegon V's ritual created Rhaegar.
Also, the song has even more powerful impact when you know how the story of Jon and Dany ends, imo. Every time I hear it (especially Florence the Machine version) I have goosebumps and I feel like the lyric is abt Daenerys... 😔😔 🖤
The song really did it justice. Both versions of the song are haunting and emotional and probably one of the best moments of the entire show, despite it being the most hated season.
16:47 Spartan is way ahead of the game in understanding Dany here. “It’s a love that she wants but she’s not getting in these lands. It’s a love that has to be earned through time and experience and bonds. Not just “I’m the Queen”. 💯
I think this will be a big part of the young griff arc in the books
How about "I'm the only Queen in this (or any other kingdom) who turned up with an army (or two) to save your sorry ungrateful arses (again) when I could have been taking King's Landing and the Iron Throne"?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 She would of still have had to fight the white walkers out side Kings landing without the help of the north, the north being added to the white kings army so your point is lost.
@@doommonger7784no, it’s not lost. she pledge to fight for them even before jon chose to bend the knee to her, and everyone would be dead if it weren’t for her, her dragons and her army.
@@doommonger7784no his point is valid, Mr I'm the only one who gets to decide things....
The way Theon looks at Sansa it is almost like he doesn’t want to fail her the same way he failed Robb. He may see Robb in her eyes
I will never be over Sansa and Theon 😭😭😭 he deserved to live and spend the rest of his days protecting Sansa at winterfell
@@iris-xoSome people don't think twice before giving spoilers.
Shame on you
They've finished but be was definitely trying to spoil it for them
@@K-J-A they've already finished the series.... they have a patreon i know they're wayyy ahead and have already finished. i would never purposely spoil it .
Alfie Allen was never even nominated for an Emmy
Outrageous
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Honestly the Brienne knighting scene, is possibly one of the best scenes in the entire series. Definitely the most earned one, in season 8. Its just perfect. Always tears me up.
For all the things you can fault about this season, one big bright spot for me is the scene where Brienne was knighted. She deserves it and you can tell how much it meant to her.
We are very near at the end. Thanks Spartan & Pudgey for such good reactions. Soak this all up. You never see another series as lore rich and interesting as this. I have rewatched GOT 8 times already
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This man has seen all 64 seasons of game of thrones
@@pickleshall02 man i wish it was 64 seasons haha with a time jump to the modern world
I've only watched the entire series 3 times. Good on ya lol
@@muffinamy83 during my free time ofcourse haha especially during lockdown
I remember how emotional this episode was! The Theon scenes hit me the most especially the one with Sansa when he asked to fight for Winterfell. Brought a tear to my eye seeing his redemption.
From “where did you find this beast?” to “arise Brienne of Tarth, knight of the seven kingdoms” is the biggest glow up. Best episode of this season.❤
I agree. Def my favorite of S8
Nasty Jaime was the worst/best 😂
Thanks for reacting. I think this is the best episode of season 8. As for Arya, she's about 18 at this point, (each season is roughly a year - she says she was 11 in season one, and season 8 is just starting), and Maisie Williams was 22. She just looks young.
Well if she is old enough to brutally murder an entire house, the Freys, and to cook human bits into a meat pie, I guess she's also old enough to have sex 🤷♂
Its also the fact that we've been with her since she was literally a little kid so seeing her in such a scene is...weird, understandably so.
Yeah when everyone googled how old Maisie Williams is
nobody talks an word when a kid Arya kill a lot of people, but a adult woman had sex is strange.
@@yurizinM I agree. Arya is about 18, Gendry is about 23, and they're not even brother and sister for once. It's fine.
I think Theon's story arc and character development through out all seasons is so good, so complex and interesting. The second, for me, is Jamie's.
Well, this guy just said Jaime has only done one good thing in the show. So I'm sure he'd disagree.
This is my favorite episode in season 8, absolutely amazing!!
17:12 note that Davos and Gilly had been with Shireen in some scenes before she died and she was a delight to them. Now in this scene they both remember her which is why you can hear the Shireen theme song playing in the background.
I like it a lot as well, but I do have to skip past the part of Arya stripping before jumping on Gendry.. I dunno, having watched her grow up in the show, it just feels icky :p
That is a brutal indictment of season 8, that this episode is your favorite.
Agreed, honestly the only S8 episode I remember in a positive light
Funny how Spartan thought this episode "missed the mark", when the general consensus is that this is, by far, the best episode of Season 8. Wonder if he'll feel the same after this season...
This entire season missed the mark. Just horrendous writing , especially the dialogue, characters completely changing and cringe fan service garbage. A few good moments, but overshadowed by some absolute nonsense. I can't rewatch anything past the 3rd episode and even those are a struggle.
@@themetalpig7613 This is the first time I've "rewatched" season 8, if you could call it that. This season really kills the rewatchability of the other seasons too, knowing that this is how it ends.
Luckily I've had 12 years to reread the series more times than I can count. I got into the books after Feast and in those 17 or so years I've only had the excitement of one new book release. Crossing my fingers TWoW is ever released. I'm not dumb or naive enough to think A Dream of Spring is ever going to see the light of day.
@@Jon.A.Scholtapparently people made AI cuts of Dream of Spring & Winds of Winter. Gotta be better than what we got
It missed the mark for him bc he didn't get enough Jon 😂
@@Jon.A.Scholtit's so funny, I've re-watched the first 6 seasons many times and I love it each and every time, and this is also my first time re-watching season 7/8 and it's kind of killing me all over again
Spartan nails it at 16:40. The depth of loyalty and affinity with each other and the land is what makes the Starks legitimate in the North. They have earned their power by defending the people. Dani has similar relationships with people who would die for her. She has won a country and the loyalty of its people. But that country is across the ocean. She's in the wrong country here, on the wrong continent. And she is starting to realize that, although she cannot admit it to herself.
I think I speak for most. When we were watching these episodes, and we were in a comfortable place, with people we loved, we all cried like babies. That's why we watch other people react, because we want to go back to those days and "feel" like that again. A lot of us still cry every time we see some of these scenes. Please never make fun of each other for showing emotions, it's the greatest thing god gave mankind.
I completely understand Dany's position. Most of her life she's been through so much trying to take her family's throne back and now all of a sudden she might lose everything she's been fighting for just because a male heir appeard out of nowhere.
Having said that, I do agree that it was a little disappointing that that was the first thing she thought of (the throne). When I first watched this episode I expected her to be at least a bit happy that she's no longer the last Targaryen.
Yeah they tried to antagonize Dany so bad
Well regardless of gender, Jon is the heir. Rhaegar was Aerys's firstborn.
@@Raminagrobisfrand Rhaegar was disinherited and Viserys was mad heir so that made Dany the heir the moment Viserys died
@@Raminagrobisfr the invented stuff, 1st of all jon isn't meant to be legitimate, he'll find out he's actually a targaryen bastard
2nd even if he's legitimate he's not heir still, cuz the mad king disinherited rhaegar
@@laza0202wait when the mad king took his titles away
Jaime knights Brienne with Widow's Wail, while she has Oathkeeper with her. It's the symbolic coming together of the Two Swords Tywin re-forged from Ned Stark's sword Ice. Where else but in Winterfell. With the knighting it's like Ice is whole once again. That was a nice touch, dare I say. The first time Jaime saw Brienne was as a prisoner, during that heated "Kingslayer? What a King he was!" back and forth with Catelyn which revolved around questions of forsaken vows, honor and knighthood. Now that conversation is complete.
Actually. When Jamie attacked Ned Stark in the streets of kings landing, they werent at war. War started the moment Robb refused Joffreys royal command and raised his army to march on Winterfell after Ned was imprisoned. Jamie commited a war crime by attacking Ned when they werent at war
He trying to get his brother back
This was my favorite episode of the season. Brienne getting knighted, Podrick's song, and the constant feeling of inescapable dread. It did a lot of things right.
I love Podric singing the song about "Jenny." I wonder if maybe he sang for the girls in the brothel...and that's why they didn't take the coin? 🥰
I think that is a very good assumption!
Shit mate, never though of that but I love it 😂🎉
He’s the first ever iPod
Don’t think it was showing Theon and sansa in a romantic way it’s more about the bonds that have been built over the seasons and what is about to be lost if the living loose this battle
I agree, Theon is like a brother to her. He truly is as much a Stark as a Greyjoy.
I mean it's up for interpretation I suppose but every other "bond" depicted during that montage were romantic ones. But it's still not priority where Theon and Sansa are concerned, they are the only ones who can fully relate to each other.
One 'o' in lose.
Jaime knighting Brianne was amazing for both of them. For her, becoming officially what she has always been, and for him- “to protect the innocent”, he did so when he saved kings landing but never could carry the name officially after that.
God I wish they had made a full version or longer version of Podrick singing Jenny of Oldstones. He has a great voice and it really hits me every time I rewatch that scene, the way the music swells
Missed the mark?Thats why Pudgy was bawling all the way through,lol.
It doesn't make Dany one dimensional because she was concerned that Jon may be the rightful heir!Lineage is the most important equation so she wasn't going to celebrate having another Targaryen ahead of her for the throne.
Brienne getting knighted made me cry the first time i watched it ❤️
Oh god it’s happening again
I cried ! The love in the room was overflowing. .
me too. she's finally happy, seemingly, the day before everyone will likely die. In that moment, realizing she got to be happy, truly happy, if only for a moment... :/
_"Tyrion brings up the fact that Davos survived the Battle of the Blackwater. _*_Tyrion._*_ To _*_Davos._*_ And Davos _*_makes a quip._*_ I guess the writers kinda forgot about Davos’ only son dying a horrible fiery death as a result of Tyrion’s plan to defend the city."_
*-TURTLE PACED*
oof'ed
Jesus christ, never picked up on that one.
You realize plenty of people have dark humor right? They joke about tragedy as a coping mechanism. So this is not a stretch or somehow ridiculous Davos didn't just break down at the word blackwater & cry for his kid.
@@orphanedhanyou That is not it.
I disagree. This episode was great. One of the best in my opinion.
And I do not agree about your feeling on Dany and Jon. How should she have reacted? She was shocked and has believed forever that she is the last of her House. It was basically a bombshell for her.
It would have been bad writing if she just accepted it and was super happy about it.
Oh man, I can't wait till they explain the "intelligence" of the White Walkers and (at least some kind of) reasons behind them leaving symbols around, in one of the next episodes. We've been waiting for that since the very first 5 minutes of the show, when they showed us their first symbol, so I'm sure it's going to be good and blow our minds.
And I can't wait to see this new world Dany will create, and who she'll award power/authority to, as I'm sure she won't just go back to just handing out castles to people based on who their father was, since her entire storyline has been around "breaking the wheel" and removing "old power".
Right? I can’t wait until all our questions are finally answered…
Winter is here!
Jon is acting that way, avoiding her, because he found out Dany is his Aunt.
And neds parents were first cousins 😂😂 biological theirs really no difference here 🙈
@@hokagedlo6133wrong. Look at the Stark family tree again. They were first cousins once removed. Lyarra was first cousins with Rikard’s father. Rikard’s grandfather and Lyarra’s father were brothers.
It’s not like Stark men didn’t marry their nieces in the past.
Pods singing near the end reveals something from season 3 when Tyrion brought him to a brothel. The ladies gave the gold back not because he was an exceptional lover but because he was a beautiful singer and sang to them.
it is crazy to think that it's been 9-10 months since you guys started Game of Thrones Journey and here I am every episode reaction, and it has been an absolute blast watching you two be enthralled with this franchise the same way I was back then.
29:21 _"While arming a main character with a Valyrian steel sword right before this big important fight is clearly a good idea, this again reminds me of the conflict foregone at the end of last season where Jorah was absolutely fine with the idea of Jon. Never mind that Jon’s got the Mormont sword from Jeor’s own hands and was winning the love of the woman Jorah wanted. Jealousy? Nah. Jorah’s fine with the fact that Jon got everything Jorah wanted in his adult life. Who needs conflict in their story anyway! And also this reminds me that there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane."_
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Also correct
_"...there were precisely no consequences for Sam taking Heartsbane"_
Well to be fair, Randyll and Dickon were burned to a crisp and therefore in no position to pursue the matter...
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Days, weeks, and probably even months passed _after_ Sam took Heartsbane, and _before_ his brother and father were killed. There was plenty of time for consequences. When they fought Dany, they had swords on them, so clearly someone realized Heartsbane was gone.
Awesome reaction! For me personally this is the best episode of season 8
Not exactly praise
Its easily the best in my opinion as well
Agreed
Tbh that's not a high bar to beat lol
Definitely shows how bad season 8 was. This episode was a total waste of time.
Danny’s reaction makes sense to me because Jon has literally been a completely different person to her since he found out.. he’s done a complete 180 on her and she’s also been made to feel like an outsider at Winterfell at every turn and his family has made her known they don’t like her or accept her regardless of his love for her.. so he’s been cold and distant so in that moment when now he tells her, his coldness can easily be interpreted at his feelings for her have changed and can feed into anyone’s insecurities because in this world everyone wants to be king so I get it
It felt less like her reaction to her treatment in the North (although surely that's a part of it) but simply because, as she said to Sansa she's been driven to the Iron Throne since she was a child. She's had a one-track mind about it her entire life. John is suddenly potentially standing in the way. That's what it felt like to me.
She IS an outsider at Winterfell. She's an outsider in Westeros. She has no legitimacy as a leader in Westeros, and the people do not recognize her as one. Now, finding out that she also doesn't have the best claim to the throne is clearly shocking and devastating. It's her whole life. If her efforts fail, then all of the suffering she has been through was for nothing in her mind.
@@johnalden5821Then maybe she should expect her treatment in Westeros, like a competent adult, instead of whining that no one instantly worships her godliness.
@@SnailHatan Oh, I totally agree. And I further think that her inability to master this one last step toward maturity is a factor in what eventually happens to her. She feels she is entitled. . .literally.
@@johnalden5821but then people act like they dont know why she burnt down the city 😒
part of what makes this interesting is how different dany is from jon and sansa in terms of ruling. dany has freed and conquered cities, but we saw how hard it was for her to actually sit down and rule them. even in mereen, she didn't have the loyalty of her vassals, of her lords, of her people. that's why it's hard for her to understand the relationship between say sansa and brienne. sansa is totally on board for killing jamie, up until brienne, her sworn sword, protector, and confidante, steps up and vouches for him. the thing about swearing to a lord- you fight for them, but they also have to fight for you. sansa made promises to brienne, ones she must keep. just like the lords of the vale- they fight for her, but she has duties to them and if they aren't kept those alliances break down. dany isn't used to this. she doesn't know how to play this game.
You're ignoring the fact that she secured the loyalty, love and respect of both the unsullied and the Dothraki through sheer cunning and strategic emotional intelligence. Before all the nonsensical character writing post S6, she was the only character in this show that i could confidently say who's army/people would never betray her, the ONLY one. Not even Ned or Drogo had that. She can definitely play the game so all this S8 stuff is just blatantly out of character to fit an equally nonsensical ending. And speaking of promises:
"You will be my Khalasar. I see the faces of slaves. I free you. Take off your collars. Go if yo wish, no one will stop you. But if you stay, it will be as brothers and sisters, as husbands and wives...I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen of the blood of Old Valyria. I am the Dragon's daughter. And I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming." - Daenerys 1x10. So she does understand.
it's different in Westeros. it's more civilized and less cuthroat(even if KL was known for politcial backstabbing). That is something Dany will never get use to. It's more about politics. That is the tragedy of Dany, she comes back "home" but it's a strange foreign land to her.
@@BhBc8f8 She gained these people's loyalty by conquest. Westeros is about politics. The Old World vs the New World.
Great point. The people that love her were slaves. Their mindset is "Of course everyone has the right to freedom! Except the masters or anyone we deem bad - they don't get second chances. They deserve to be burned." It's understandable, but it's hypocrisy.
Sansa already had the good nature, loyalty and strong will of the Starks. But it was her lessons from being around Cersei, Margaery, Littlefinger and Tyrion, some of the best to ever play the game that made her this way. Lastly, Sansa remembers what got her brother killed, she didn't want John to make the same mistakes as Rob did.
How's sansa unstopable? She doesn't make sense,the show constantly mentioning sansa is smart but no particular thing has happened to depict that
@@laza0202 She was smart enough to try to get Jon killed in battle by not telling him about the Knights of the Vale, then undermining him at Winterfell, then metaphorically stabbing him and her Queen both in the back. It worked, as she got exactly what Littlefinger had suggested she wanted - to be the Lady of Winterfell.
To be fair, Ned Stark's biggest mistake was entrusting Sansa with the information that he intended to secretly leave KL with his family to ensure their safety. Jon is about to repeat Ned's mistake in trusting Sansa.
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Ned Starks biggest mistake was telling Cersei he knew her kids were not fathered by Robert. Your blind hatred of Sansa is laughable, John was named King in the North not the Lord of Winterfell, Sansa was always Lady of Winterfell once it was retaken. She also saved Johns skin at the battle of the bastards even after she had warned him not to fall into a Ramsey trap when he ignored her advice.
@@doommonger7784 I am sorry no... Had she tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale, there would be no need to save his skin afterwards, because Jon would go to battle with a plan and not to a suicide mission. She was at the stage she couldn't trust anyone not even her siblings(Arya and Jon) that's why she was doing things behind the curtains, and she continously was undermining Jon. She didn't believe he could be a good leader. Also we saw in many scenes that she wanted to lead Winterfell, she even discussed it with Lf. She just thought she could do better. And we saw and we will see it many times again.
people always seem to forget that sansa quite literally suffered and bled for northern independence. she was beaten for every victory robb had during the war and it makes so much sense why she’d have issues with jon bending the knee to daenerys when it wasn’t necessary.
She is still selfish and betrayed his trust. Worried more about Dany than the white walkers knocking at their door.
But then why does she applaud Torrhen Stark for bending the Knee to Aegon I Targaryen to save lives but losing independence in the process?
@@Allaiya. exactly. im sick of everyone always being team sansa, as if she didnt have any faults at all
@@BhBc8f8 dany had already agreed to fight for the north, jon bent the knee after this even though he didn’t need to
@@dulcetaffairs Jon bent the knee because Dany risked her life and Viserion to save a bunch of strangers (besides Jorah of course) when she didn't have to and with nothing to gain from it. Sansa doesn't know this so she resorts to making insulting assumptions instead.
The point is her character is inconsistent, one day she's pro independence the next day she's anti independence. And the "battle of the bastards" wasn't to take back the North it was to take back winterfell. If the North wants to be independent then they have to negotiate for it like everyone else. But instead of being the wise and tactful diplomat like Yara Greyjoy she prefers to openly antagonize Dany like a child who's learned nothing these past 6 years. Great character, that Sansa.
Arya is about 18 now so well within the age. She's just so petite that she looks younger than she is. She's older than Bran.
Though I do wonder why they went through with that scene since visually it looks very jarring imo (because like you said the actress still looks like a kid)
Honestly with everything that Arya went through its a miracle nobody raped her.
I love this episode, this is the first episode where we have the majority of the characters together in one place, all of them waiting for the storm to come, it’s a veré nostalgic episode and one of my favorites.
Something to point out and I realize this while watching this reaction is how Daenerys says to Sansa “I wish I have that kind of faith from my advisors” I mean, you’ve had! She has sir Jorah and Grey worm, Missandai and she had Barriatan, I don’t know why the writers made her say something lika that…
Dany kind of forgot…
@@jcnom6606 classic Targaryen amnesia.
I interpreted it as a clear dig at Tyrion specifically
And, we've finally figured out what Podrick did to those girls to make them not take his money; He sang to them.
Jenny of Oldstones makes me cry every time I listen to it
"He's bringing all the dead people back to life and they've put the women and children in a crypt with all the dead people. Tyrion is smart but I guess not that smart."
- Peter Dinklage
Tyrion became an absolute fool the moment his story run out of book material. They literaly turned him into a comic relief character.
Nothing in the series to this point suggested that this was a bad idea. Safest place in Winterfell. Only time we had seen him raise the dead was Hardhome and that only raised those who were immediately killed in that battle. Nothing suggested he could raise the dead of those killed long ago.
@@JaydenGuy-ef4lb hard cope mate
@@itotallycare Just common sense really.
The smart characters couldn't be smart anymore cause D & D are not
The Brienne scene just brought up so much emotion that had been building up by that foreboding moment in the story. Brilliant timing!!
I love how Pudgey says “no” like “NARRR”
im sorry but if i were dany i would have changed my hand, people (in universe) have too much sympathy for the mistakes tyrion has been making since season 6. Honestly it feels like d&d are trying to gaslight the audience into feeling like dany's anger towards tyrion's mistakes is unjustified, to try and push the "angry mad woman" into dany.
Yep. We get 2 crazy women in power this season and Sansa being the third also shows she can’t be trusted.
Tyrion should have been stripped of the title the moment they lost high garden and dorne in one fell swoop because of his utter incompetence
yea I mean logically Dany should have dumped Tyrion a long time ago but also I blame D & D for making Tyrion so dumb. You could have had her side take some Ls while not totally being cause of Tyrion. Tyrion suddenly trusting Cersei is just ridiculous and not in-character.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 oh yeah absolutely i agree, tyrion was a smart and cunning man in kings landing. D&d completely destroyed his character, and took away all his anger towards his family and especially cersei to turn him into a one dimensional fool. He never trusted cersei even when their relationship was more "cordial". Almost no character was spared from their terrible writing.
@@vbb2076 yea I mean the fun of Season 2 was seeing Tyrion as Hand out playing her at every turn. Cause he knows Cersei is a snake. All the smart characters turned dumb the moment GRRM's writing was not there anymore.
the story should have had them abandon winterfell and retreat to king's landing in the south. the story has foreshadowed the mad king using wildfire to burn the city down, it's effectiveness against stannis, and the tv show showed cersei using wildfire against the high sparrow. wildfire has been a constant reoccurring element or motif.
this can also line up with dany snapping. dany is forced to work with cersei, and watch cersei be smug from the iron throne. the undead have consumed the seven kingdoms. dany and jon's romance as well as jon's true heritage is revealed, complicating the situation, and they leave things off in uncertain terms as they go off to fight the undead.
somehow, they seem to be winning. and cersei decides to unleash the wildfire with the undead and all the humans fighting inside it. she doesn't care. she only has a smug smirk on her face.
the wildfire explodes. it kills so many people. and dany loses it.
dany burns down the red keep. and she gets off drogon as she climbs the ruins of the room for the iron throne. finally. it's hers. her destiny.
and arya can kill cersei while pretending to be jaime, making her confess all her sins.
people can start siding with jon instead and dany believes that she can keep their support through marriage. she has lost much of her forces and allies, and jon has become the person that she has to rely on.
not sure how tyrion, sam, and bran are moving this version of the story along.
even with wrapping up the white walker story arc, there is still a matter of succession. the possible contenders are dany targaryen, jon targaryen, tyrion lannister, and bran stark.
dany and jon could still have their tragic love, and jon could kill a dany that he tries to stop but he has to kill her. he has to make the decision now, unlike with ygritte.
and now everyone sees jon as a possible king. they don't see any other choice.
but jon says that he doesn't want to be king. and he gives it up.
and you can have bran be king. if that's what grrm told d&d, then fine. do that.
i'm not going to pretend like my ideas are any good or come close to answering all the stuff in this show's story, let alone the book's story. but some choices... some choices i just disagree with.
The WW symbols don’t mean anything. D&D confirmed it. They just thought it looked cool. I remember so many people having theories on it, but it was basically pointless.
And after S8, I realized some of S7 scenes are now pointless as well since the topics are never picked back up or made no difference to the outcome.
If I had had sex with a woman whom I shortly after discovered is my aunt, I'd feel quite awkward too. I mean Daenerys herself is inbred, as her father and mother were siblings by long Targaryen custom. I don't think Jon finds the idea appealing regardless of his innate attraction to her. He's raised as a traditionalist Stark after all.
Starks a more inbred than you think
Who were Ned Starks parents?
@@cambelloroxy9420 Lyarra Stark was a first cousin once removed of Ned's father Rickard. Cousin marriage wasn't considered incest in medieval times. Tywin married his cousin Joanna Lannister. And look back further than that and you have many marriages in house Stark with other northern houses, even some southern ones.
@@alexanderb5726well you also have that in House Targaryen…. So we’re do we go from here?
@@cambelloroxy9420 The difference is that Targaryens wed siblings.
Arya doesn't really care about Gendry, she knows she trusts him, but she's not in love or anything. And she doesn't care about pleasantries anyway, she's too straight forward and self important to want a guy to romance her. It's just as she says: she wants to know what it's like because they're probably going to die. In a way, I think that's a really healthy outlook from her.
I disagree. I think she truly meant they could be family all those seasons ago & that easily could become love that they touched on in this scene. She just didn't have it in her to stay in one place & tend to that love so it could grow (especially after all the death & pain in her life & caused by her too). Did Nymeria not love Arya? I think she did. She just couldn't be tame.
Spartan needs to listen to Varys when it comes to Spartans support of Jon, "incompetence shouldn't be rewarded with blind loyalty" lol.
Whose incompetence? Tyrion at least offers advice even if it has been bad... what exactly has Varys contributed since joining Dany? Her advisors have been failing her badly. That's incompetence.
Varys has done nothing the past 2 seasons
Varys and Tyrion characters become completely incompetent in S8.
D&D wrote the final 4 episodes of the season. That speaks for itself.
Who is blindly supporting Jon? Jon & many blindly supported Dany though because superficially "slavery bad", "break the wheel", "I won't burn people" sounds good vs looking at her consistent history of fire and blood.
"glossed over" is the theme of this season
Ypu know what's funny? The fact that Bran knows the knightking will come to him. And they do nothing about making atleast traps or defend more skilled army besides bran. Bran 3 eyed raven for nothing
Now we know what Podrick did in the brothel that so impressed the working girls. His SINGING.
The song sung was Jenny of Oldstones. There’s strong theories that Rhaegar wrote it and it’s the song that brought Lyanna to tears at Harrenhaul
10:38 Tyrion has been an absolute shit Hand to Dany since the very beginning. He never earned it in the first place. It was total contrivance by the show.
did yall never catch the romance between arya and gendry?? It was so obvious to me that they were both so attached to each other-
Same. Though still awkward since we saw Arya grow up as a kid
@@Allaiya.and since the actors are 10 years apart in age.
If you look it up, there's a google graph of popularity of people googling Massie William's (Arya) age, and there's an ENORMOUS spike when this episode aired.
11:40
Arya: "My weapon?"
Gendry: "I'll get right on it."
26:55
Gendry: "My weapon."
Arya: "I'll get right on it."
"we are in a crypt, Nobody thought of that.. He is bringing all the dead people back to life, and they put the women and children in a Crypt with all the dead people . So....Tyrion he is smart but I guess Not smart" Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister)
Next episode happens largely in the dark , I recommend you tweak your Brightness and Contrast settings or you will struggle to see whats going on.
They have said in streams that they have already watched the entire season so I thing that advise will go unnoticed 😅
The episode is fine. I had watched this on 2 different monitors and i had zero problems
@@veiregor The episode is not fine. But it has only little to do with brightness.
@@jg7u true 😂
For the night is dark and full of errors...
Arya’s little but she’s a grown ass woman 😭
Jon was raised as a Stark, so he is probably weirded out about sleeping with his aunt, you know?
Shouldn’t be a problem ( Starks are more inbred than you think)
Thank god they have their main army out of the castle walls, their artillery out of thr castle, the horse men out on the front line. How can Jon and the other soldiers think this strategy was a good idea like fuck send one volley of artillery then stop using it Dan and David really messed up with the long night
Arya is 18 years of age in this episode though it still feels weird
It didn't miss the mark. This is GoT, obviously not a touchy feely series.. the sentimental moments we got here is way more than could have been expected.
Also after this episode aired, I remember " how old is Arya/Maisie Williams" trending online 😄 everyone was a little weirded out because yeah, we watched this chick grow up on screen. The shock reaction was kind of standard when this aired😄
Tip for the next episode: watch in complete darkness and put the brightness of your screens to max. :)
When Misandei told Grey Worm that she'd wanna go to Naath, he would die if he did. Naath island is full of poisonous butterflies from which only locals are inmune of.😂
I love how Pudgey laugh cries and ol boy looks over and says "you're a mess." I chuckled a bit.
Theon had the best character arc in the whole show imo
I believe Pod sang to the prostitutes, that’s why they wouldn’t take his money
What's interesting about the prophecy is, it says the "Prince that was promised" not the "King". So i thunk that might have been a hint that he wouldn't take the iron throne, just that he was meant to save the world
30:18 _"And another good moment here. Finishing ‘Jenny of Oldstones’ is definitely the best thing Weiss did for this season. Montage works here too, no complaints."_
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Absolutely right
You're cringe with all your quotes. Learn to think for yourself.
Rise Brienne of Tarth, a knight of the seven kingdoms 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
spartan, the thing is: when dany arrived at westeros, she didn’t expect to be loved because “she is the queen”. she was willing to fight to save the world without getting anything in return, and then it was JON who chose to bend the knee to her and lose his crown. this season, the writers turned dany into something she never was: delusional. throughout the series, dany stated more than twice that she is aware that people are not gonna love her because she is the rightful queen of westeros. the problem here is the attempt of the writers to antagonize dany, bringing character aspects that were never there to begin with.
Exactly👏
You missed Arya catching looks at Gendry at Harrenhal. I had to stop myself pointing it out
I remember one of the most googled things after this episode aired was the age of Maise and Arya!! People still thought of her as a child and it shocked them.
Theon is my favorite character in this show. The character growth is amazing, the fact that you hate him when he first shows up and cry over him now is such good character writing!!
But also different times and circumstances.
So apparently you 2 are against incest when it comes to Jamie and Cersei, but see no problem when it is Dani and Jon.
The double standards of this fandom 😂
Sansa be like: you bring your armies and dragons and use them in the front line to fight the night king, but eat no food from the north,. then go south to kill my worse enemy and give us the North's independence cause we don't need you!
Dany reacted that why because remember in House of the Dragon : lords prefer Men on the Throne rather than Woman ( they wanted Aegon even though Rhaenyra was the heir)
Arya is 18 in the show and Gendry is 22 I believe. And as weird as that scene was, and how much it makes me uncomfortable(We've literally seen her grow up since the actress was 11, and the character was 12) I really like it. I think that Arya being someone who has always said f-u to societal norms of this world being someone who was able to choose when, where and with who she has her first time makes sense. Not many women in this world get to choose who they are with, and someone she trusts and cares about-Gendry, being her choice makes sense. She had a crush on him when they were little and now they are older and might die, I understand where her heads at.
You have it backwards: Arya was 11 at the start of the show. Maisie was hired at 12, but was 13 when the series began filming in July, 2010.
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This was a nice episode relatively speaking but my big problem with it is that it takes up 1/6th of the final season. If this was a normal 10 episode season then it would be great. But it takes up too much time on character stuff imo when there is so much plot to get through in the last 4 episodes. Ideally, you would have a 10 episode season so you can have good character episodes like this without needing to condense and rush major plot stuff and/or rush other character arcs that happen in the next section of the season
ive binge watched the first 7 seasons of your reactions in the last 3 weeks so you have been my daily watch....... The last 3 days have been a nightmare waiting for the next episode !!
I'd been shipping Arya and Baratheon's bastard for a while, this episode gave what I wanted 😂 you guys just slept on her thinking she'd die a virgin 🤦🏻♂️ she's a woman who owns herself and her choices. Hell yeah, we might be dead tomorrow, so let's do IT!
The scene with Brienne is one of my favorite of the whole series. She’s one of my favorite characters.
It’s a totally different experience to see this journey in about 6 months😳
This is hands down my favorite episode of the entire series! It’s so emotional 😭
Spartan: "So Random" ... Weiss & Benioff: "Hold our beer"
Tyrion is bad advisor what we do with bad advisor we remove him and take another but this season was so stupid that made everyone stupid
13:57 *_“[Tyrion] owns his [mistakes] and learns from them”_* _could also have been a pretty powerful argument…if it wasn’t contradicted by pretty much everything we’ve seen him do. Did I imagine him denying he’d made any mistakes in his handling of Meereen, back in season six? I don’t think I did… Incidentally, this is now dialogue exchange three between Dany and her advisors going over the point that Tyrion’s given some shitty advice. This is the most useful of the three, because it expresses the central problem and depicts one of the parties actually making a decision about how they’re going to handle it. It’s also the third goddamn time in under twenty minutes we’ve been over the same issue with more or less the same people in the same political context"_
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Hate how Arya keeps trying to flex on everyone for no reason.
19:19 _"Theon defending Bran, whether or not it happens in the books, is a logical thing for the character trying to make up for some of the bad shit he did earlier."_
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Man these two are gonna go thru it during the end of this show lol. Great reaction as always!
The symbol we saw at the Umbars was not the same as the symbol we saw in episode one. It was the same as the symbol that Mance Rayder and John came upon, made by bodies of horses, that spurred Mance on to tell his people to climb the wall and wait for his signal.
And still all the symbol meant nothing in the end
This one is my favourite episode of season 8 ! I remember in the week after its release, I was pretty much frantic, making theories with my brother and my friends about which characters were about to die ; there are sooo many beloved characters being together in a very dangerous situation
And that aged rather interestingly.
and it was the last good one
I think Daenerys’s reaction was completely understandable, like she just found out that everything she believed she is is a lie. Her whole world just came crashing down when she found out that. She built this entire army to take back the seven kingdoms for her family, she brought dragons back to the world and now might have to pass it all over to Jon simply because he’s a male heir. I was actually shocked that you thought she would take it well 😂
26:26 _"I know this scene made a fair few people uncomfortable, since they still saw Arya as a child. This is not helped by the show not giving a good sense of the passage of time. Tommen overtook Arya’s aging. Cersei’s been pregnant for how long now? So it’s incredibly unclear how old Arya’s supposed to be. Then there’s the fact that the last time Arya saw Gendry, she was unmistakably a child, and her crush on him was a child’s crush. The last information we got about Arya and romance, she was processing why she liked looking at him with his shirt off and why she wanted him to keep travelling with her. In the time they’ve spent apart, none of Arya’s development has even touched on her sexual maturity. The relationship went from the Westerosi equivalent of “he’s not my boyfriend! I just happen to be here every time he’s working in the forge shirtless!” to “let’s fuck in the courtyard” with only a few scenes of flirting to cover the gap. This is a case where a relationship picking up where it left off really could have used a little more work, I think."_
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I mean Dany lost a dragon fighting against the wights and she's now in Winterfell risking her life... I get Sam's sadness towards his family (the again, how they treated him...) but when it counts, at least on this account, she's selfless.