Arnheid is the Second Best Character in Vinland Saga
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Arnheid is such a tragic character because she lacked so much agency. She sort of embodied the role women had at that time, especially when she mentioned that a woman could do nothing to stop a man's wish. It summed her life up perfectly, she had literally no control over anything in her life and due to the greed of men she lost everything. Every action she had to endure was due the greed of men and had no say. She was fucked from the start and was used only for her body (apart from only her husband who genuinely seemed to care about her). That scene where the guard threatened to rape her was seriously fucked up, and that's some of milder shit that happens to her.
What is also fantastic about Arnheid is how emotionally complex she is. She initially believes Gardar to be changed , a completely different person now threatening her and even accuses him for being the cause of their child's loss. But it is partly a facade and we learn later that she secretly had hope that he would be normal and they could turn back to their old life. When she meets Gardar and he apologises for what she previously accused him for she breaks down. The mannerism that she does then , pulling her hands towards her head , is so genuine and shows so much. Guilt because she doubted and was about to abandon him , happiness that he is who she remembered , fear and worry about her child and the situation she currently is in since she realises she cannot bring herself to abandon Gardar now. Did she actually wish for Gardar to be just a crazed man and a bad memory?
I don't actually think she heard Thorfinn's speech sadly.
Wow, nice breakdown, I didn't think of it quite like that but I like it. Its complex and that why we love her. She didn't wait for the storm to pass and it was her undoing. Is ignorance bliss? Or should she have gone anyway. Its a really tough choice and I think it feels like she is being really stupid going to tend his wounds, because what good would come of it. But its what makes this so tragic, if the guard wasn't enchanted by her, or Snake was more vigilant, or etc. you get the point. Thats what makes it hurt. Instead of letting the storm pass, it turned out to be the perfect storm for her demise.
Yeah, I don't think she heard him either. It makes it more tragic, since if she did hear him she may have found the will to keep going.
Argh. Now I'm sad again :'(
Vinland is so poetic, it's sad knowing that it's close to its conclusion
God the latest episode that dropped fucked me up so bad. I already knew what was coming but I still felt awful rewatching after seeing it in the manga.
Arnheid is a good woman in a world of apathy and violence. She didn't deserve any of what happened to her and I'm so glad that even to this day Einar and Thorfinn had never forgotten about her.
Just got done watching the latest episode where Arnheid gets beaten by Ketil and the amount of people saying they understand why he beat her and glad she “finally” facing consequences literally hurts. She’s a *slave* she really had no choice in this intimate relationship with Ketil. He might have been in love with her but at the end of the day she was his property. All she’s really known is hurt but is always optimistic about the future regardless.
Did Ketil get the rug pulled from under his feet? Yes but that was because his son can’t help but look for conflict and he was being plotted against aswell. He unloaded on to her completely defenseless. He never really was a good man. Ketil never was gonna free her unless it was death do them part.
A lot of the people only viewing Vinland Saga through the anime are admittedly very fucking stupid lmao.
Some of the worst takes I've ever seen from this series have come from anime-onlies.
That's not to say they're all like that, and that's also not to say that manga readers are all super intelligent (I've seen some very stupid manga takes too), but the absolute worst opinions I've ever heard about this series are the people watching it for the first time as the episodes release. Arnheid is a person with desires like everybody else. Just because she was given "special treatment" doesn't mean she was any less a slave than anyone else. In fact, she had it the worst BECAUSE of her special treatment, she would never be allowed to leave and buy her own freedom like everyone else.
She was robbed of her choice the moment she was brought to the farm, and her fate was sealed. She didn't deserve any of what happened to her, and nobody could convince me otherwise.
They're all weak men who think like that tbh..
She didn't deserve this
Well she is dead that's what it matters
Yeah for sure... they're cruel hearted people for sure and missed the whole point so widely.
He was kinder than the average slave owner but ketil was not a good person or compasioned for the start ,he was just cowardly and greedy . Anrheid never get to decide for herself ,she was forced to be ketils concubine because he will force her anyway even if she refuse and nobody will help her after all she was his property . Inwas surprised that there were people who side with ketill
Thorfinn and Einar have an amazing bond. Einar showed Thorfinn that he can change and taught him how to grow crops, while Thorfinn made sure Einar didn’t seek revenge like his past self.
I feel so bad for her. I always tear up when I reread farmland arc
For me, Einar is my second favorite. When he causally calls Thorfinn his friend, that really got to me.
I don't think Thorfinn would have been able to change without such a loyal and kind-hearted friend as Einar. People often underrate him, but he deserves the world. Even with his family being killed by warriors, he accepts Thorfinn's past and helps him become a better person. Only love for my boy Einar
Can’t argue. I love a multitude of characters from the series. But she’s gotta be up there with best
Her fate sums up the series, and became the motivator for the main characters. It helped Thorfinn understood what his father was talking about. Beyond all of the theme, the speech is always emotional to me. All of the sorrow, violence, death preceding that moment cumulated in her. I knew that speech was coming when that chapter was released, but I didn't expect to be so emotional hearing him comfort her. It was so simple, succinctly impart the message of the entire comic. If the animated series mess this up, it might as well not be made.
I can imagine how people who watch the show only for fights hate her or don’t wanna see her too much in episodes
As an Arnheid fan I appreciate this video very much.
Hi brother I am depressed from farm arc honestly
Hii
Hello
farm arc hits me every single time, and I mean every single time
The scene in which Thorfinn gives the Vinland speech to Arnheid and the question of "What is there to live for" really hit me, it really showed Thorfinn's peak character development here, finally understanding Thors' beliefs as a pacifist. For a second, I saw Guts in Einar, the same way I saw him in pre 54 Thorfinn, and the scene where he was stopped by Thorfinn was perfect for me as it genuinely shows off the peak story telling, and the part where they swore to colonize Vinland,man, it was enough to cement Vinland Saga as my second most favourite manga of all time.
Interested to know whats your number one favourite...
Also her design is absolutely gorgeous. Some of the best I have seen in manga.
Wdym her design??
I saw it in a similar light. Arnheid was someone, as you said, who always tried to make the best of the situation. However not just once but twice has she had to learn that being a nice person and making the best of the situation isn't enough to stay alive in this world. War completely demolished her previous life with Gardar, and slavery demolished any hope of happiness she could have had with her new child and her old husband. So it makes sense that she'd refuse Einar as in her dying moments all she can think of is how her way of trying to survive was wrong and that there's nothing more for her. That's the meaning, I feel, Thors and Thorfin's Vinland speech has. It's to remind someone with nothing left to live for that their way of living wasn't wrong and that there is still one place where they can live as they were. A place where war and slavery doesn't exist is a place where being a good person and making the best of the situation is just enough to survive. A world where you don't need to become the very monster you struggle against just to have a fighting chance is a peaceful world. The speech in both cases, given to a dying struggler is meant to let them know that there is still one more fight left for them after death, a fight where their way of thinking will surely lead them to peace.
Vinland's message isn't terribly complex but it's necessary I feel and everything we see in both Slave arc and Baltic Sea War, as well as bits in prologue, serves to show that altruism does have its place even in a world that's uncaring and ambiguous, made even realer by the historical setting. It's a simple message for sure, but that doesn't make it any less thoughtful or emotional.
great comment and insight about that vinland speech!
❤😢
I feel every words u say
I just finished season 2 of the anime the other day and I'm not ashamed to admit the final phase of Arnheid's arc destroyed me. She is by far one of the most tragic characters ever written.
Enslaved through no fault of her own because the men of her village were greedy, stupid and left their homes and families defenseless in search of loot, forced into her master's bed because he is attracted to her, made to see how much of a feral beast her husband had turned into during his enslavement and then beaten to death because she tried to escape with him.
And she was one of the warmest, kindest people you could ever imagine and absolutely deserved none of it.
Haven't finished the video yet. But it really hit me hard when she passed
The best arc in the entire manga and one of the best in manga all together right now I feel the arc we're in is pretty bland
I agree, I feel underwhelmed at the current chapter releases but hopefully we can get back to how good it was in Farmland.
Current Arc is still Quality bruh
Hild is a great character maybe as good as Arneis
Einar is shitty Deteuragonist
Gudrid is Waifubait and Karli is annoying
I swear the Baltic Sea war honesty just looks bad because of how great farmland was
@@immortalmangafan3565 yea. Like, a bit too much comedy.
damn this really made me cry
I mean she is not 2nd best but she is a damn good character
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that’s the fun part: it’s really down to preference which characters are the best ones to you because the writing behind all of them is solid
@@beyondviolet yea but the 2 best are thorfinn askeladd and Canute at 3 easily
@@etc8217 agreed and it aint close
We need more videos about her
After watching the last chapter, I had to come back.
I'm back here because of the latest chapter ♥️
You're not the only one
I hope the anime does this arc and Arnheid justice
This is a great style of video. I'd suggest that you create two different chanels. One where you post your twitch stuff and one where you post videos like these. Keep it up!
Most of my videos are scripted analysis? Maybe you only watch the Chapter reviews?
@@KyleEntertainment i probably miss a lot of your other videos :/
If you ring the bell, you won’t have to miss it. I find it pretty useful :)
Feels like berserk I’m getting chills🥶
Is this going to be like a series, Because you already made of who's the best character in attack on Titan and now Vinland. I just took this in to assumption.
a series with only 2 videos maybe. But yes, I was referencing the title of the Levi video.
@@everygrillindude5317 one day my friend, one day.
I buy the books because I want to collect and I just finished book 7.
My s tier right now is probably
Askeladd
Snake
Olmar
Leif
A tier
Canute
Thors
Thorfinn
Thorkell
I honestly after reading book 6 did not expect Snake to be such an honorable man, willing to die to protect a terrible man who saved him. And then Olmar who didn’t want any more fighting, Leif who continued to look for Thorfinn, and of course. Askedad
Thorfinn and Canute in S Tier for me def, and Olmar and Lief to A
Best girl
The female characters in this show, while not having much screen time compared to the males, are really fucking good. Not idols to fawn over, not one dimensional in their thinking and decision making.
No they aren’t 😂 Arnheid is the only one with a semblance of complexity. You see a relatively good female character and immediately call her amazing because you’re so used to the quality of their writing being so shit.
@@MA-yu2ss Hild? Gudrid? Stop the cap
@@davidson6738 what cap? Gudrid and Hild just prove my point further. Hild is decent but Gudrid? Nah. Either way neither of them are “really fucking good” like this guy is saying. That they are “not one dimensional in their thinking and decision making” is literally the BARE MINIMUM for any character ever. but like I said when the quality of most female characters you read are shit you will praise the barely decent ones like they’re so complex even when it’s not true.
@@MA-yu2ss I don’t read mostly manga, I’ve seen plenty of great female characters. Hild and gudrid are great female characters. Is it so hard to comprehend that someone else thinks differently than you? What a dogshit argument
@@davidson6738 I mean you barely gave an argument, you just said “Hild and Gudrid” and I never said people can’t think differently. I’m literally doing the same, saying my opinion like anyone else including you.
I guess I’m your 1,000 character
u really called leif a leaf smh
How is Askeladd better than Thorfinn as a character? 🤔 I fully agree on Arnheid though, I loved her character and the Farmland arc was excellent.
Thorfinn is never really that interesting to me. He's pretty good throughout, but I don't think he's a great/interesting character to the level of Askeladd who's final scene is the best scene in the series.
@@KyleEntertainment I think my fundamental misunderstanding of Askeladd's character prevents me from understanding him. I always thought of Thorfinn as the best character (or at least, the character with the most remarkable development, in some areas I prefer him even to Guts), but I never fully grasped the complexity of Askeladd due to the confusing parallels I kept seeing with Berserk.
I'd love if you could make a video on him, or if you could direct me to a good video or thread that may help me out.
Thorfinn is the best character for me.
@@everygrillindude5317 I wasn't referring to Askeladd specifically, but to the whole prologue arc. All those parallels kept confusing me and I wouldn't really focus on what Vinland Saga was actually doing.
@Tane Rameka while I would say that Thorfinn's development is among the best in manga (I love that he is aiming for a complete rejection of violence, something that Berserk will hardly obtain, for example) but overall I think Guts is better as character, and generally that Berserk is much better written than Vinland Saga. Now I must say that I find Yukimura's writing disappointing... Despite having enormous potential with its characters, and top tier arcs, it's just so naive these days and I feel like Yukimura doesn't really care to develop relationships in his manga, which is a shame. I have no idea why Thorfinn and Gudrid are together and for example, Thorfinn and Einar are supposed to be best friends I guess but beyond Farmland and the Hunter and Hunted miniarc they hardly have any remarkable interaction at all beside "yes bro" or something like that. I think that Yukimura's writing is slowly killing Vinland Saga, sadly.
She's just the catalyst for Einar's simpery.
And her husband is just a copy paste of Thorgil
Arnheid is someone completely okay to simp for. She's a top tier human being.
You're wrong.
EINAR IS THE BEST!
RESPECT THE WHEAT!
😂😂
Meanwhile the anime pre-emptively ruined this scene by having Leif talk to Thorfinn about the idea of creating a country instead of letting him come to that conclusion organically.
The cherry on top of that 90% filler of a second to last episode, just fucking great.
I don't think Leif's scene would mean Thorfinn wouldn't come to that conclusion organically. Thorfinn always had the idea of establishing a country in Vinland anyways. Remember when they met again, he didn't ask about his family, he asked about Vinland. He's always had it in his mind even after 11 years. And where did that idea come from? Yeah it still came from Leif and Thors. Honestly, I think it would make the moment more powerful. Just my opinion, it's clear it won't change yours. We can just agree to disagree on this one.
@@me-no8bk Exactly right. Vinland was always in Thorfinn's mind, as would be the idea of settling there
yeah her death hit so hard just for it to be somewhat overshadowed by that dumbass dialogue?
Man, fuck berserk. Vinland saga is the best manga, no, the best piece of media ever written and im completely serious on this
in seinin yes in shonein one piece ofc
@@universeclips3471 what? Are you dumb? hunter x hunter is better
Both know how to portray their characters like actual human beings with emotional complexity. Viland Saga, however, also manages to make its story feel realistic in a way that Berserk doesn't try because it's a dark fantasy story. I think one aspect I prefer in Vinland Saga is its commitment to the idea of the value on non-violence and how it explores the challenges of living as a pacifist in a world where violence is common.
@@KnightK51 probably jujutsu kaisen actually
@@nutmatical1042 nah, in shonen hunter x hunter is the best without question. It is even better than most seinen too. It is just special, thanks to togashi having his sweet time on his manga, his writing is top tier. The best parts started from yorknew arc to all the way to the current succession war. The worldbuilding, the characters, the consistency and ESPECIALLY the consistent and fun power system. Unlike many many other series which have "this character has this special ability and that character has that special ability along with some common power mechanics that this character is good and that other character is less good at" all powers and abilities in hxh makes sense when you put it on the Nen board. Take any power from any fantasy and you can consistently pick what branch of nen the power would be in. There is a ton more gimmicks like the bigger the limitation you put on for your ability (For example: I can only use this spesific power on people of this kind) the stronger that ability is.
🧢 sorry.
But the worst character is that one girl that wants to kill thorfinn she is so annoying 😭😭
What ? She’s such a good character
I love how she’s pretty much an example to Thorfinn that your past actions can have consequences
She is a thorfinn herself chasing revenge blindly
Wait who's girl is that?? Is it anne?? Pls tell mee
@@killakillua6600 idky i felt that way, ima re read it and ill seee if i see it the same way
Arnheid is trash compared to characters like Emily Thorne from revenge
@Tane Rameka what do you mean?
@Tane Rameka it’s woman not women and what do you mean “does not want to be something she is not”