In Defence of Hild: More than just a Mirror
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Lots of people don't seem to think Hild is as cool as I do...
...So, here are some of my reasons for liking her as much as I do. If you already like Hild, well I hope that you like her even more now. She, while currently a little stagnant, has quite a bit of depth to her and hopefully in the coming years Yukimura does her justice. Her arc has been building for the last 50 chapters!
Hope you enjoy this Hild analysis! Sorry it took so long. Vinland Saga is cool... very cool.
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One huge difference between Teen Thorfinn and Hild is that Hild did not throw away her morality.
Teen Thorfinn would often have a "not my problem" attitude while Hild is constantly seen helping
people. Has Hild even killed anyone? That right there is a tellling difference.
Very true. It also adds more tension to Thorfinn since this is his chance to end the cycle here and now. He knows to the pain of killing people, how they constantly haunts him. He wouldn't want Hild to experience that too.
@@penaldotapinaldo1713 It was said in their first meeting that she hasn't kill people yet. Thorfinn was to be her first kill.
Yep. Which makes sense since 1. Thorfinn lost Thors and began his revenge quest at age 6, a much younger and more impressionable age than Hild’s 13. 2. Hold was raised by a tough but decent person who only advised her on how to survive. Thorfinn wasn’t really raised by anyone but he grew up in an environment where murder is completely normal and an almost daily occurrence, and all of his role models were horrendous people.
It also works as Thorfinn trying to prevent Hild from becoming a legitimately awful person like he was, since she’s not at a point where she needs to redeem herself like he does.
She's like if Thorfinn was smart about his revenge.
When she finally lay down her headband and forgave him made me legit cry, was beautiful to see her move on and accept thorfinn as a human being
never had a piece of fiction affect me the way those few panels have, and do every time I revisit them. bless Yukimura for bringing us this absolute banger of a story
When thorfinn heard her and was just like “…😭”and started crying, man… I legit never got that much goosebumps and felt that much emotion from some fictional comic book panel. I felt so happy for thorfinn that I actually teared up a lil bit!! A nd I’ve never even cried about a MOVIE, let alone a damn manga panel.
I was just happy because I could finally see a new dialogue choice lmao. She's a good character but I still don't like/care about her.
This the redemption arc for Thorfinn seriously doesn't work without someone like Hild. She's a real good character and I realize how impo6she is the moment she joined Thorfinn's gang. Vinland Saga is great to read, no cap.
Arguably Hild is the most important character in all of Vinland Saga. Her growth as a character is what’s gonna complete Thorfinn’s redemption.
I agree, I think the moment she finally truly forgives both Thorfinn and herself and lets go of her anger once and for all will be a huge moment
@@thorfinnbestboi and it turns out it was the best moment of all vinland
And she finally forgives him, such a dramatic scene it's so beautiful
One thing I think is interesting is that Hild's father implies during the flashback that he, like Thors, was killed by Askeladd on the orders of Floki as part of his big stupid scheme, and part of me wonders what would've happened if she'd also learned that detail like Thorfinn did, and how that'd affect her outlook on the climax of the Jomsborg war. It would've been interesting to see her grapple with a thirst for vengeance that was split in two directions between two targets, one of whom was about to kill the other for the exact same reason, and it could then have Baldur's intervention be a defining moment of change for her too, with a focus on how it makes her reevaluate everything. Though in fairness I am biased because Baldur is a really underrated character and I wish that moment was integral to more character arcs than just Thorfinn
Damn, between the great core thesis and the excellent production, this video straight up rocks. Subscribed, liked, favorited, and eagerly hoping for more Vinland Saga vids. Keep up the good work!
Cheers! I make vids pretty slowly but I have at least another Vinland Saga one in mind. Love this series.
HILD, THEY COULD NEVER MAKE ME HATE YOU-
Great video, I noticed a few of the subtle changes as well and I hope the Hild haters can see this.
Accepting someone who helped wipe out your entire family and altered your life entirely is not easy. Regardless of how much time she's spent with them and Thorfinn there will always be some disdain and I don't think there's anything wrong with her not accepting him this easily. Once again thanks for making this video.
Np! Glad you liked the video!
Yes, thank you for this. Too many people shit on Hild.
Amazing analysis and editing man!! I'm really glad to see someone actually understands her character and the subtlety in her development. I'm really looking forward to what Yukimura will do with her character, it would be so nice to see her take off the bandana when the appropriate time comes for it, I believe she initially started wearing it so her hair didn't get in the way of her eyes and ears (to hunt more effectively of course)
I never thought about the Bandana too deeply, I personally thought the crossbow represented her huntsmenship more but I like the idea. The Bandana is definitely a symbol of hunting. Maybe she will go back to the ponytail.
I also really like how while we can revert her to original appearance in clothing, but she shall forever have the scar.
Thanks for the comment!
No worries bro, I look forward to seeing more Vinland Saga stuff if you plan on doing so
Just caught up with the manga, and I have to say, I also found her a little annoying. But following the chapters after this video you can tell she is starting to care for and help the group. Through her interactions with Karli and Gudrid, her helping on the settlement of Vinland. As well as her aid in one of the recent chapters. I’m very excited to see her attitude of Thorfinn change, if that’s how things end up.
Yep! Should be a fun ride. I think said in the video that she may well possibly turn out to be one of the best characters in the series (as viewed widely by the public) but we will have to see.
I just caught up too! Ch. 199 and she's helping alot in Thorffin's settlement, plus she's taken up the role of a police and about to hunt the three guys who brought weapons with them.
I love Hild, she's the best!
Same
She is notorious npc
My main caveat with Hilde is that she came out of the blue and she felt like something Yukimura though later than planned beforehand, hence she doesn't have any real interactions with the planned plot, I would have loved if the scene with Thorfinn and Hilde happened in the Prologue arc, instead of a flashback.
That is a fair critique, it would have been interesting to see if Yukimura could have somehow integrated one of the girls in the prologue (like Anne or John's Sister - the daughter of the mother that saved a young Thorfinn).
What is even sadder is that despite being chronological, the Anime in S1 doesn't show Hild's backstory. Bit of a missed opportunity imo.
great video, it's sad that there are people out there that hate Hild, she did nothing wrong, they are all Idiots.
Glad you liked the video! I'm happy to see it being received well :).
I think the people who dislike have their valid reasons (as I outlined earlier in the video) and I wouldn't think they're stupid because of it. Not everyone is going to like every character and thats totally cool.
I made this video mainly because I was bored of the conversation surrounding Hild by both who like her and those who don't. People tend to talk past each other and belittle others for having a disagreement. Yukimura is very adept at mirroring characters and repeating themes in a robust way, and I think people missed that with regard to Hild.
Once again, thanks for the comment. I greatly appreciate it :)
Chapter 188 Spoilers i guess
188 Made her one of my Top 10 VS Characters. Her saying that she wants to take Karli to this forrest when he is older just killed me
What do you mean
What?
0:45 Holy fuck my own meme made it into this video haha
Great video btw, personally Hild was one my favourite side characters after einar
T'was a very funny meme! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Love this video. It was just what I was looking for. I love that there is others like yourself who understand the subtle meanings in every chapter. Cheers and thank you for making this.
No problem my guy! Glad people are enjoying this video. Also thanks for the Follow!
Nice video! Glad to see I'm not the only one waiting for Hild too Blossom.
Hild has more character development and personality than Sasuke at least
Wow, this was an excellent analysis of not just Hild, but many other characters as well. I thought that I had pondered everything there is about these wonderful characters, but you brought up things I had never noticed or thought of before. This just made me like Hild even more
Very glad to here this! Thanks for checking the video out :D
@@JarkeyBacon no problem man, thanks for making it!! This was seriously one of the best analysis videos I’ve seen, not just from a content perspective, but the editing as well
@@thorfinnbestboi I appreciate the high praise. I'm on a bit of a break from YT atm but I hope to comeback with some solid videos in the future :D
Dood, you got stuffs here pretty well covered!!!
Very awesome my man! I might sleep well tonight
I love how you did Hilds complex character justice. thank you. I hope the coming seasons of the anime will explore this potential a bit... so THAT scene can become one of the top best scenes in the serie.
Yo no creo que Hild se odia a sí misma por creer que su familia mereciera ser asesinada. Ella simplemente se desprecia a sí misma porque a pesar de todo el enojo que ella tiene por Thorfinn no puede asesinarlo porque muy adentro de ella sabe que estaría en lo incorrecto porque dejaría huérfano a otro niño y dejaría otra familia destrozada. Parece mas bien que su conflicto es si perdona o no a Thorfinn, porque se ve que poco a poco empieza a apreciarlo pero no puede ella dejar de pensar en la muerte de su familia y que deberia vengarla. Pero aparte de eso el video quedo bastante bien 👌
I love Hild as a character, even if she is a little narratively simplistic. I think it would have been a better idea to use Einar as Thorfinn's moralistic anchor, even if Thorfinn never acutely needed one from within his own party. Einar could stand to have a little more to do after the farm arc. Hild's threats are kind of meaningless and lowkey annoying, but Einar would have more insight into Thorfinn's turmoil without always assuming he'd kill again. It would have been enough to kill Thorfinn simply for not following through with his promise to create a land free from war, which he has tense odds of succeeding. Having said that, I do appreciate the nuance of Hild struggling to come up with reasons to continue distrusting Thorfinn. I, also, cried when this part of her story concluded.
I disagree / think the narrative is already kinda doing this? Einar in the most recent chapters is coming up against Thorfinn and questioning him pretty strongly. Hild isn't just asking the question of "If Thorfinn will Kill" but also "Could Thorfinn end the cycle of vengence". The BSW is designed mainly as a way to challenge Thorfinn personally and put him in situations where he has to repeatedly break his oath and Hild is part of that test too. But she is her own character made to test Thorfinn is he can overcome what Askeladd (and many others) could not.
Einar has also no reason to want to kill Thorfinn. His anger against him for being a warrior happened at the beginning of the farm arc and Einar is not the type of character to say "If you fail, I will kill you."
Basically, I'm saying that replacing Hild with Einar (while would give Einar more to do in the BSW) takes away something pretty key to the story. Hild has only remained more and more relevant over time and is a character in her own right that is dealing with difficult issues internally. Her existence imo is very much justified.
@@JarkeyBacon I don't think Hild's threats ever actually factor in to Thorfinn's decisions, because he never really wants to break his oath to begin with (especially since Thorfinn is much stricter in defining violence than Hild is) and Hild usually says her bits after Thorfinn already passed the test. The one time that Thorfinn has a hiccup, Hild doesn't even really do anything except aim her crossbow as usual.
Einar would not influence Thorfinn with threats; he was there from the beginning of Thorfinn's transformation and would want his friend to succeed, already believes in him. Thorfinn would certainly listen to Einar.
Thorfinn can't build a land of peace if he uses violence to attain his dream, which makes his microcosm tests along the way redundant. Hild could have gotten away with keeping Thorfinn on his path by making its destination the ultimatum for Thorfinn's life. I feel like it would barely change her role in the story. I understand that her somewhat purposeless threats are expressions of her coping with her vengeance, and of course would not want to alter that if it too little of her character were to come out.
@@molluskscommawethe I totally agree with your first paragraph. I may have not made it clear in my first response however (or even my video aha). Hild doesn't factor into Thorfinn's decision making not to kill, but the tension with her is that Thorfinn wants to stop her from killing at her. We don't want her to fall into the path of vengence.
Hild, once again, is her own character that adds to Thorfinn's but also (and it is often forgotten) that Thorfinn adds to hers. Can we bring a Prologue Thorfinn (and even more morally justified Prologue Thorfinn), one that has never killed and has ever convential right to kill him and still convince her to not fall into revenge? This is the test for Thorfinn, not just him not killing. Can Thorfinn save the steal man version of his prologue self? Can he end the cycle with Hild (and also Karli)?
This is a role a new character has to fulfill and not Einar imo. Einar is introduced too early into Thorfinn's arc to fufill this purpose.
Literally just found this channel after watching Kyle's video
Wow! Did he send you here?
I watched the Arnheid video you edited for him
I literally need more Farmland Saga videos on UA-cam
@@david6922 Ah fair. Pretty similar editing style in the end xd
@@david6922 Well I have ideas, but it maybe a few months till they come out. I just won't on YT in my spare time (Look at my upload schedule). Though I do have another VS video on the channel but its more of an overview then any indepth analysis.
I've thought about the significance of Hild's character before. To me the difference between Thorfinn and Hild's character arcs is caused by the difference between their father's/family's killer. Askeladd continued with carnage and while he mentored Thorfinn in some ways, he still used and manipulated him for his own ends. He trained Thorfinn into a wanton killer, and Thorfinn was also in an environment where murder is a daily occurence. Thorfinn had to go through a 180-degree change in environment and people (Einar) to learn that revenge and violence wasn't the answer. Meanwhile, Hild meets a reformed Thorfinn who is ready to repent and doesn't run away from what he did. He doesn't manipulate or taunt her about it, like Askeladd did to him. Both of their rage are justifiable and I can completely understand the hatred Hild feels. But it does make a difference when the wrongdoer is 100% repentant, not just in actions, but in speech, values and behaviour. It gave Hild closure and the strength to forgive him. It was my favourite touching moment in the manga.
Shes a full character.
She reminds me of Guts, extremely introspective, but she has a rough exterior to defend who is she from the inside.
Great video!
Maybe Kyle will change his mind after watching this...
We can only hope.
Nice video maybe I'll change my opinion going forward but I'm reading the Baltic Sea War and she really is irritating to me.
Don't try and force yourself to like a character you don't aha. Enjoy the manga at your own pace :D
I loved Canute in the first season (and manga), I will continue to read for Hild, from now.
Nice analysis.
6:06 but sorry I think they deserve it, they tried to kill him and that wasn’t even a permanent injury.
That’s not the point here
Excellent video couldn't have put it better myself.
This was a great video dude. Appreciate the effort too!
Thanks! Really glad you enjoyed it :)
damn this ruled.
hild is hot also great vid btw im surprised it doesnt have many views
Tis true, she do be mighty fine.
As for views, well, its a mixture of things. Mainly that I don't upload often enough, and Vinland Saga content (manga) isn't that popular. But this video is consistently getting around 5 views a day, so I'm happy!
I think it's because their personalities were not contrasted enough. Both Hild and Thorfinn are kind of a wet blanket while Askeladd was a lot more playful and witty compared to Thorfinn thus they were able to play and dance.
I really never got annoyed with Hild. Maybe because I could totally relate to her and her obsession with revenge, and then later on after seeing Thorfinn's other side, she began to understand.
I had a similar experience towards a man I hated, and it all went away after I learned he was about to have a child at the time and he took responsibility. I could've done something (for real) that would've affected his life drastically, but I realized there was just no point in holding onto hatred as it would just cause more damage to him and the child, so I had to move on and let it go.
i think hild works well in the story due to being saved by thorfinn so its showing ways you can save someone by the way thorfinn is living his life with it being a mirror of thorfinn.
Great analysis bro
What do you think about ch188 , I want to hear/read your analysis on it so bad.
I'm trying my best to focus on other project pertaining more directly with my career path instead of my hobby for the next few months. So, I'm sorry but you'll have to just put up with my written comment for now.
(I had a quick re read to spark some of my thoughts).
I'd first suggest you go to the chapter 188 discussion on r/vinlandsaga as they tend to be quite an interesting read. I don't have a monopoly on Hild opinions after all haha.
www.reddit.com/r/VinlandSaga/comments/r2rtp1/manga_chapter_188_release_thread/
I personally really enjoy the chapter. Lots of quiet and peaceful scenary. Hild before meeting the gang was stuck in the forest both physically and mentally. She was stuck killing bears because its a way for her to inact her justice on that which took her master away from her. But also a way to funnel her anger and hatered for Thorfinn into something. Its a way to now be the Hunter.
Then she meet Thorfinn and she can't bring herself to kill him. He isn't the beast / bear she thought him to be. Through the travels of the crew her worldview has expanded past the narrow one of the Hunter and the Hunted.
In 188, She no longer has to kill the bear, and the bear doesn't have to kill her, both can be happy. There is not hunter or hunted.
The Bear Spirit says: "I thought you hated Bears. Because a long ime ago, a leader of yours was killed by one." Now this is refering to the Huntering master most likely, but also could be refering to Thorfinn too. Hild no longer hates Thorfinn, but that doesn't mean she has forgiven him. She is just not having to be stuck in the forest like she used to. She can come and go as she pleases.
She doesn't want to dwell on it. She also doesn't want it to come inbetween her current relations. Hence why she didn't want Karli to know about it. Though, this could also mean she still doesn't want to confront it either. So, I guess we will have to wait and see what happens later down the line!
Bit of a ramble but I hope you got something out of this comment!
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Good analyzing as always, thank you. It’s good seeing Hild relaxed like that but I really hope that she doesn’t forgive Thorfinn that easily and quietly. their relationship has an emotional depth and I really wish if their conflict end in a better way, time doesn’t heal all wounds!
I think it’s just cuz it takes like 2 years to go through each new chapter. We already wait so long for furthering of the story, so seeing the same thing as we saw a year ago in real life makes people get a little tired.
What do you use to edit your videos?
Hitfilm Express! Its free!
I do use a few add-ons that are payed for, but I didn't use any of them to make this video.
Is hild his sister does his sister and mom ever show back up
Assuming that "Him" here is referring Thorfinn, the answers are (in order of question):
No, Hild is not his sister. Ylva is his sister.
Yes, Ylva (Thorfinn's Sister) and Helga (Thorfinn's Mother) do show back up after the anime.
I'm more interested in that weapon of hers and whether or not something like it really existed during the dark age. It's very similar to that of a modern cobra-style "self-cocking" crossbow. I know the Chinese had some type of a "self-cocking" crossbow as well and it was a repeater that used a box magazine. And I think the greeks had something similar going on as well.
Hmmm, not sure tbh. I think the idea is that Crossbows were a thing, and her design would be possible given the time period. I think Yukimura mentioned that he designed it without the need off things like screws because the didn't exist at the time, or something like that.
@@JarkeyBacon Yes. I remember the author mentioning that in the manga. However, it surprises me the kinds of things that existed (or at least possibly existed) in ancient (and medieval) times that we consider to be modern. Hydro-powered sawmills for example, scuba-diving gear, batteries, light bulbs(possibly), etc. Even screws and springs existed since ancient times. How commonly were they used, and if knowledge of these things made it to dark age Scandinavia is another topic altogether. Therefore, it makes me curious if a crossbow similar to what is depicted in the manga actually existed during that time period in that region.
@@trapperscout2046 Yukimura tends to be pretty accurate and good with these things, however I don't know for sure.
From a quick Wikipedia scan, it seems regular crossbows definitely existed at the time of VS prologue, as they were seen in france in 947. But they didn't become the norm until the 1100s. Which matches what is in VS since in the first chapter, they were somewhat surprised they the french were using crossbows.
As for something like Hild's I'd have to take a closer look.
@@JarkeyBacon I agree. The author does a great job doing his research. It's amazing the amount of actual historical figures and events that make it into the series.
As far as crossbows go, they definitely existed during that time period. The Romans made regular use of them as siege engines and even had a hand held version called the Manuballista. Vegetius makes mention of it in his military treatise. And in 1066, the Normans used them in the battle of Hastings. I figure Askeladd would probably know a thing or two about them since he is of Romano-Briton descent.
Plot : What if hild kill his family member and thorfinn again goes in psychopath
That would be interesting, but I doubt it. First of all, Hild wouldn't be likely to kill anyone but Thorfinn, and Thorfinn has already overcome being psycho as shown with this confrontation with Floki.
@@JarkeyBacon yeah it was just my thought ,
It is kinda boring in manga now bcoz he doesn't show his true power and madness
So it needs some plot to be better😓
@@Ghost-wi8lq I'd disagree with you there, I prefer Thorfinn not fighting anymore. But I'm sure he will have to show strength at some point. :)
@@JarkeyBacon yeah i also prefer not fighting like old time but to show some strength to enemies
@@Ghost-wi8lq I'd also disagree there, but thats fine :). "You have no Enemies" - Thors