"I want to be a kinder, gentler person. I want to be a stronger person." That single panel encapsulates my life goal. I've spent too much of my life being angry, I just want to live peacefully and happily.
to be honest, thorfinn's character had a similar impact on me. i was told to be non-violent since i was young but i will be honest as a child i was very intense when confronting others because i thought it was a better way to approach a situation, also because the people i looked up to usually went with violence. but vinland saga really helps put perspective on why violence isn't a good approach. i think my mindset really changed due to thorfinn, and it's nice knowing others have as well.
Thanks for sharing that! It really was nice seeing this perspective of non violence in a market where most mangas and anime are violence centered. Don’t get me wrong I find it all entertaining as well but seeing this perspective really had a mute bigger impact than anything I’ve watched or read before
I can say that Thorfinn inspires me daily to hold onto my last threads of patience with some people. It's not easy, and my ego is a problem, but I hope that one day the change will come more easily and that results turn out to be similar to yours. I appreciate you sharing your experience and have a great day.
Thank you very much for this comment it takes real strength to admit a personal weakness and I’m glad Thorfinn impacts you the way it did me. Again thank you and I hope you have a great day as well!!
Not cheesy at all man. I had a similar experience when I read Vinland saga. Unlike your story, I grew up being told similar things that Thor’s would tell Thorfinn, such as “you have no enemies.” And as a child I was super kind to everyone, I lived by the things I believed in. As a grew older, however, I found it harder and harder to be kind and selfless, especially when others wronged me. When my childlike innocence slipped away and I realized how cruel the world can be, I became cruel with it. Thorfinn’s character helped remind me how important it is to be kind and selfless again, a concept that seems so simple but it truly hard to put into practice. Since reading Vinland saga I’ve really tried to get rid of the hatred, anger, and resentment I feel towards others, and I’ve noticed a huge change in my life. Sometimes it really feels like a battle within myself, but ultimately I think it’s made me a stronger person not giving in to anger. I’m so glad that Vinland saga exists. Truly.
Beautifully said. Thank you so much for sharing this im so glad that the same story that affected me also helps others. We are all in this life thing together and we all wanna be the best us we can
I had the opposite in my childhood of being told to just take the utterly heinous things that kept being done/said to me every single day. Until one day I snapped and fought like hell through my teen years. But now I find myself with Thorfinn's attitude. I'm tired of hate and pain. Of hating or being hated. It's been a long, hard journey. Another show I love is Doctor Who, especially the 12th Doctor. "Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind." Unrelated to all of this, I recently lost a partner whom I loved very much and Vinland Saga became my sole comfort even now 8 weeks later. I've rewatched season 2 innumerable times, especially episode 4 for Einar's pep talk. I've also caught up to the manga.
I absolutely agree with you Thorfinn means a lot to me His growth has led to me growing as a person too I love him as a character He's also my third favourite character in fiction too and definitely my favourite manga/anime protagonist/character
I love THorfinn's character, and you saying that he is your third favourite fictional character intrigues me. Who are your other top 2? I would love to get to learn more about themmm!!
this is really nice to see, because he’s as of very very recently embodied my very existence. as someone who was truly manipulative and selfish in the past, it’s been a very long 3 year journey to realize just how bad of a person i was. but not until thorfinn did i learn that i have to reject that self-hatred and guilt to progress forward and truly make myself better.
Two years ago, I was almost killed by my dad, ended up living on my own and during the span of those two years I started going by a different name and was very violent and antisocial. I would pick fights with people who pissed me off never thinking of the ramifications (losing your job for assault, being jailed or landing a felony.) Additionally, I was pursuing money and success so I could have this idealized concept of "power". During this time too, I also took up martial arts and met many potential sparring partners whose motivations would be purely to build the ego or to fight someone. It was never about discipline or to some self improvement like having better dexterity. I don't know the time or the day (and granted, reconnecting with my friends during pandemic helped break down the resentment, me and my dad also made up and currently have the best bond we've ever had), but at some point two months ago I realized something that made me want to change and now it's becoming clear to me I don't have enemies, I am creating them for myself. Imo, I think that we need to accept the nature and the flow of the world, when people are unkind to us, nature has ordained that be the outcome, nature has given them experiences that have made them that way because they continue to fight against nature/swim upstream where there is no pond (next level, epiphany, or enlightening idea to be found). We will create our opinion of them (They're an asshole or have a problem which we will use as a justification to blame them which in turn gives us a "merciful" ego boost but still find dislike in them.) and forget to create an opinion of our opinion (This opinion I have created is negative and is from an ignorant place as I do not know what is actually going on with them.) I'm rambling, still really putting together the ideas but it does boil down to never justifying unkindness. The unkind are hurt, and the only harm they will cause is towards themselves, when you choose to be unkind/violent/etc. you only create the conditions with people that made you that way in the first place. The bully that humiliates will in the end be humiliated by life (personal demons, work, lack of friends). We see it with these shooters, they kill from a place of pain, create pain, and even after their death will continue to be ostracized and disliked (Elliot Rodger comes to mind.) and similar to the chapter with the dying viking after envisioning Valhalla, even if they are to be remembered as they wish to be for whatever reason, they will never get the satisfaction of knowing if they were to any meaningful level, usually because they will commit suicide before facing the consequences.
First off the bravery of even sharing your personal story and how it really does apply to the thing about life that most people just don’t understand. You actually taught me something with this And I’m so glad to read something like this from a like minded person. Stay strong brother.
@@jaxkorner4685 I would like to add that, you're gonna fuck up on this realization because you've been subconsciously taught by the world to be adversarial by nature, and even if you control your emotions, many things can break your resolve if you're unstable enough. Had a family member pass couple days ago, and I had made a nasty remark to someone after they made one to me and the bridge is burnt. Felt guilty about what I did, but you can only try again. And sometimes like in the manga, you will have no choice but to fight (whatever that means contextually.) as other people will have an adversarial mindset in general.
Thorfinn, Luffy and Doctor Tenma are my biggest inspirations due to the ideology they represent luffys being that no matter what happens he still have people that love him, Tenmas being that everyone on this earth has equal value and no one should be treated inferior to another, and thorfinns as you know stating that i have no enemies at all and attempt to seek redemption
I'm about a year & a half late watching this. But, wow. I'm so glad I found it. Your story, and how it relates to such a compelling character, is quite poignant. I admire your courage to open yourself up to the world like that. It can be easy for us to see aspects of ourselves in certain characters. But, it's not so easy to say, "now that I recognize that part of myself, what will I do with that knowledge?" It's not an easy choice. I admire you for not only making the hard choice, but for actually doing the work as well. Thank you for sharing this insight into your philosophy.
Thank you very much for the comment I truly do appreciate it. I’ll be honest with you a couple months ago I thought about deleting it because I felt like I let out a little too much of myself but something told me not too and it’s comments like these that assure that I’m glad I didn’t delete. Again thank you so very much
Dude, this video is great. I think one of the characters that has impacted me is probably Yato from Noragami. Yato had people who believed in him, but with a drop of a 5 yen coin he was taken away from them. But he was forced to do what he didn't to do just to protect the ones he loved and I think there's a pretty good message there so. Anyways thank you for this video it means a lot man.
Wet good point yato is such a amazing written character it’s so cool when you can get a good impact from a character in a anime and it’s a positive effect on your life! Thanks for your kind words buddy I really do appreciate it
Honestly I feel the same, I used to be a very bitter person before watching/reading Vinland but his words about having no enemies and wanting to be a kinder, stronger person has really resonated with me. I truly feel like I’ve become a better person and that I’m changing into the person I want to become.
Farmland arc hits me a lot , when i was a drug addict before , my father have a very huge farm and i was living in the city very toxicated person and very aggressive , too much violence everyday i saw in my eyes coz its just a normal day and normal way of life on streets , when the time i was beaten up by thugs and throw me on the unknown its surprise me coz 3 kilometers from where a thrown up , my fathers farm was right there , its like " ohh im home" im here now with my father helping him with his business and have a very loyal wife with my twins and got my life full of love but suddenly few months later my old enemies and frnds started to searching on me and having a problem on me , luckily my couzin stand with me but i dont need theyre help .. i walk straight to my old dudes and talk to them kindly i mean no harm coz i told them " i have no enemies at all" ... Then i guess gods watching me that time and they leave they didnt disturb or blowing theyre car horns on my fathers land at all its been 3 years now since ive met and confronted them ... When i read the vinland saga manga on farmland arc and canute and thorfinn talks about theyre ideology damnnn it was like what i did to my old dudes i love this manga and this upcoming anime i love it 👊🙂
amazing video man you inspired me to make one like it, Kamina is it for me Gurren Lagann as a show is what really changed me good job man bring the content back
Wow man this comment actually means a lot to me thank you so much! I’m really glad it made you feel that way I should be back soon! I promise I’m not done
Rock from Black Lagoon He is a Normal Japanese guy suffering from being over worked as a salaryman with little to no recognition at all. Until one day his boss sends him on a ‘business trip’ and that’s when he gets kidnapped by pirates and needs to adapt to survive.
Even tho its slice of life anime. I say kotaro from kotaro inspired me that not everything in life is going to go your way you got to pull your boot straps ( even tho he's 4 & im 24 😵 werid ) you got independent or have help from strangers
i'm 23 and i could not watch much of Kotaro, because the loneliness he suffers is far too much, and hits too close to home for me. maybe i'll give it another try in the future
thorfinn is so simple at some point. He wants to be better. to change himself to be better version of himself. that's his real battle. I hope I didn't confuse someone. when you help someone, YOU help yourself. :) It's not CHEESY
Not cheesy at all! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve realized my actual enemy or my actual obstacle is just myself. Realizing that is half the battle and we should than all strive to be better versions of ourselves
My Kin. We weren't born to fight, we were Hell raised to. The Northmen - I grew up in the Vineland surrounded by the pine barrens (barren womb/earth) where the Jersey Devil haunts the blood soaked lands of Free-dom (to escape service/the Kingdom). People here like to play with Stranger Things, dark things, worship devils and demons, and they cried vengeance, and vengeance came - for them - be careful when you call for justice because justice will come for you - the scales must be balanced. We grow a mean Devil's Fruit in the Vineland, tomatoes, because the ground is so salty and swampy from the past, and people love to smother their bread that Pan bakes for them in an oven with it and all their other wicked delights - consumers - those that demand service rather than serving - the Free-dom lovers. They think violence is cute now, lazy dogs who never even touched a blade much less had it plunged into them, and fall for this myth that Valhalla is where my kin want to return - we do not - we want Freya to bring us Fólkvangr where we can rest and be with our loved ones again - but we have wicked delights from the battles and we would be restless there because of it - this endless war - you dogs - you arrogant dogs doing it all over again, screaming God is dead and Science is king as you raise Hell around this place again, so you will see them all re-emerge if you haven't already, those you despised even though they brought you what you want, breakers of chains - the ones you left dead and buried, but the Winter snow can only cover so much after the Fall and only wash away the blood on the surface in Spring, the bones remain, the truth remains - what we are, what this place is, and eventually the past will rise up to haunt us when we forget to learn our lessons of history. Rainbow - the Pride symbol - why it arches up and goes back on the earth - because sin will not enter heaven. Pride: violet, Envy: green, Wrath: red, Greed: yellow, Lust: blue, Sloth: indigo, and Gluttony: orange (passion fruit). We are dog/god reversed - canine - carnivore - consumers of delight/flesh. We are a union of our crimes: Wrath (Mars/War/red) and Lust (Venus/Sex/blue) - in the mother of sin - mother nature - consuming the womb with a view. Rather than sitting around contemplating this world, why not bend a knee and serve and know what this lie system, this World Wide Web will ever teach you. They're dancing to Blackpink (pink=innocence) and handing out black pills. Now's the time. Matthew 6.
abt the berserk thing uhh , there’s a massive amount more got guts then brutal gorey massive guy i mean the depth in his character is insane. he’s def above thorfinn in depth although by my subjective morality he is not.
"I want to be a kinder, gentler person. I want to be a stronger person."
That single panel encapsulates my life goal. I've spent too much of my life being angry, I just want to live peacefully and happily.
to be honest, thorfinn's character had a similar impact on me. i was told to be non-violent since i was young but i will be honest as a child i was very intense when confronting others because i thought it was a better way to approach a situation, also because the people i looked up to usually went with violence. but vinland saga really helps put perspective on why violence isn't a good approach. i think my mindset really changed due to thorfinn, and it's nice knowing others have as well.
Thanks for sharing that! It really was nice seeing this perspective of non violence in a market where most mangas and anime are violence centered. Don’t get me wrong I find it all entertaining as well but seeing this perspective really had a mute bigger impact than anything I’ve watched or read before
I can say that Thorfinn inspires me daily to hold onto my last threads of patience with some people. It's not easy, and my ego is a problem, but I hope that one day the change will come more easily and that results turn out to be similar to yours. I appreciate you sharing your experience and have a great day.
Thank you very much for this comment it takes real strength to admit a personal weakness and I’m glad Thorfinn impacts you the way it did me. Again thank you and I hope you have a great day as well!!
Not cheesy at all man. I had a similar experience when I read Vinland saga. Unlike your story, I grew up being told similar things that Thor’s would tell Thorfinn, such as “you have no enemies.” And as a child I was super kind to everyone, I lived by the things I believed in. As a grew older, however, I found it harder and harder to be kind and selfless, especially when others wronged me. When my childlike innocence slipped away and I realized how cruel the world can be, I became cruel with it. Thorfinn’s character helped remind me how important it is to be kind and selfless again, a concept that seems so simple but it truly hard to put into practice. Since reading Vinland saga I’ve really tried to get rid of the hatred, anger, and resentment I feel towards others, and I’ve noticed a huge change in my life. Sometimes it really feels like a battle within myself, but ultimately I think it’s made me a stronger person not giving in to anger. I’m so glad that Vinland saga exists. Truly.
Beautifully said. Thank you so much for sharing this im so glad that the same story that affected me also helps others. We are all in this life thing together and we all wanna be the best us we can
I had the opposite in my childhood of being told to just take the utterly heinous things that kept being done/said to me every single day. Until one day I snapped and fought like hell through my teen years.
But now I find myself with Thorfinn's attitude. I'm tired of hate and pain. Of hating or being hated. It's been a long, hard journey.
Another show I love is Doctor Who, especially the 12th Doctor. "Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind."
Unrelated to all of this, I recently lost a partner whom I loved very much and Vinland Saga became my sole comfort even now 8 weeks later. I've rewatched season 2 innumerable times, especially episode 4 for Einar's pep talk. I've also caught up to the manga.
I absolutely agree with you
Thorfinn means a lot to me
His growth has led to me growing as a person too
I love him as a character
He's also my third favourite character in fiction too and definitely my favourite manga/anime protagonist/character
I’m glad you feel that way too! I’ll never forget tearing up reading his progress in the farmland arc
@@jaxkorner4685
Farmland saga is a masterpiece imo
Hey buddy I plan on coming back to UA-cam next week just wanted to keep you updated!
I love THorfinn's character, and you saying that he is your third favourite fictional character intrigues me. Who are your other top 2? I would love to get to learn more about themmm!!
this is really nice to see, because he’s as of very very recently embodied my very existence. as someone who was truly manipulative and selfish in the past, it’s been a very long 3 year journey to realize just how bad of a person i was. but not until thorfinn did i learn that i have to reject that self-hatred and guilt to progress forward and truly make myself better.
Thank you for sharing this, it’s so awesome seeing others share these testimony’s of self discovery even through a anime or whatever form of media!
@@jaxkorner4685hi post videos
Thorfinn as a character really does have one leveling up in life
Two years ago, I was almost killed by my dad, ended up living on my own and during the span of those two years I started going by a different name and was very violent and antisocial. I would pick fights with people who pissed me off never thinking of the ramifications (losing your job for assault, being jailed or landing a felony.) Additionally, I was pursuing money and success so I could have this idealized concept of "power".
During this time too, I also took up martial arts and met many potential sparring partners whose motivations would be purely to build the ego or to fight someone. It was never about discipline or to some self improvement like having better dexterity.
I don't know the time or the day (and granted, reconnecting with my friends during pandemic helped break down the resentment, me and my dad also made up and currently have the best bond we've ever had), but at some point two months ago I realized something that made me want to change and now it's becoming clear to me I don't have enemies, I am creating them for myself. Imo, I think that we need to accept the nature and the flow of the world, when people are unkind to us, nature has ordained that be the outcome, nature has given them experiences that have made them that way because they continue to fight against nature/swim upstream where there is no pond (next level, epiphany, or enlightening idea to be found). We will create our opinion of them (They're an asshole or have a problem which we will use as a justification to blame them which in turn gives us a "merciful" ego boost but still find dislike in them.) and forget to create an opinion of our opinion (This opinion I have created is negative and is from an ignorant place as I do not know what is actually going on with them.)
I'm rambling, still really putting together the ideas but it does boil down to never justifying unkindness. The unkind are hurt, and the only harm they will cause is towards themselves, when you choose to be unkind/violent/etc. you only create the conditions with people that made you that way in the first place. The bully that humiliates will in the end be humiliated by life (personal demons, work, lack of friends). We see it with these shooters, they kill from a place of pain, create pain, and even after their death will continue to be ostracized and disliked (Elliot Rodger comes to mind.) and similar to the chapter with the dying viking after envisioning Valhalla, even if they are to be remembered as they wish to be for whatever reason, they will never get the satisfaction of knowing if they were to any meaningful level, usually because they will commit suicide before facing the consequences.
First off the bravery of even sharing your personal story and how it really does apply to the thing about life that most people just don’t understand. You actually taught me something with this And I’m so glad to read something like this from a like minded person. Stay strong brother.
@@jaxkorner4685 I would like to add that, you're gonna fuck up on this realization because you've been subconsciously taught by the world to be adversarial by nature, and even if you control your emotions, many things can break your resolve if you're unstable enough. Had a family member pass couple days ago, and I had made a nasty remark to someone after they made one to me and the bridge is burnt. Felt guilty about what I did, but you can only try again.
And sometimes like in the manga, you will have no choice but to fight (whatever that means contextually.) as other people will have an adversarial mindset in general.
Very underrated vid, tbh Thorfinn has changed us
Great video bro Thorfinn is one of the greatest MCs ever
Thanks buddy! And yes I completely agree he is my favorite MC for sure
Thorfinn, Luffy and Doctor Tenma are my biggest inspirations due to the ideology they represent luffys being that no matter what happens he still have people that love him, Tenmas being that everyone on this earth has equal value and no one should be treated inferior to another, and thorfinns as you know stating that i have no enemies at all and attempt to seek redemption
I'm about a year & a half late watching this. But, wow. I'm so glad I found it. Your story, and how it relates to such a compelling character, is quite poignant. I admire your courage to open yourself up to the world like that.
It can be easy for us to see aspects of ourselves in certain characters. But, it's not so easy to say, "now that I recognize that part of myself, what will I do with that knowledge?" It's not an easy choice.
I admire you for not only making the hard choice, but for actually doing the work as well. Thank you for sharing this insight into your philosophy.
Thank you very much for the comment I truly do appreciate it. I’ll be honest with you a couple months ago I thought about deleting it because I felt like I let out a little too much of myself but something told me not too and it’s comments like these that assure that I’m glad I didn’t delete. Again thank you so very much
This video is excellent. Vinland saga is easily my favorite story of all time. I love hearing people with the same takeaways as me
Dude, this video is great. I think one of the characters that has impacted me is probably Yato from Noragami. Yato had people who believed in him, but with a drop of a 5 yen coin he was taken away from them. But he was forced to do what he didn't to do just to protect the ones he loved and I think there's a pretty good message there so. Anyways thank you for this video it means a lot man.
Wet good point yato is such a amazing written character it’s so cool when you can get a good impact from a character in a anime and it’s a positive effect on your life! Thanks for your kind words buddy I really do appreciate it
Honestly I feel the same, I used to be a very bitter person before watching/reading Vinland but his words about having no enemies and wanting to be a kinder, stronger person has really resonated with me. I truly feel like I’ve become a better person and that I’m changing into the person I want to become.
Farmland arc hits me a lot , when i was a drug addict before , my father have a very huge farm and i was living in the city very toxicated person and very aggressive , too much violence everyday i saw in my eyes coz its just a normal day and normal way of life on streets , when the time i was beaten up by thugs and throw me on the unknown its surprise me coz 3 kilometers from where a thrown up , my fathers farm was right there , its like " ohh im home" im here now with my father helping him with his business and have a very loyal wife with my twins and got my life full of love but suddenly few months later my old enemies and frnds started to searching on me and having a problem on me , luckily my couzin stand with me but i dont need theyre help .. i walk straight to my old dudes and talk to them kindly i mean no harm coz i told them " i have no enemies at all" ... Then i guess gods watching me that time and they leave they didnt disturb or blowing theyre car horns on my fathers land at all its been 3 years now since ive met and confronted them ... When i read the vinland saga manga on farmland arc and canute and thorfinn talks about theyre ideology damnnn it was like what i did to my old dudes i love this manga and this upcoming anime i love it 👊🙂
What a amazing comment brother God is definitely watching you. I’m so happy this story resonated with you cause it’s that special!
@@jaxkorner4685 yeahp bro thats why i cant believe what i read mostly on farmland arc bro , cant wait the baltic war bcomes anime soon
amazing video man
you inspired me to make one like it, Kamina is it for me Gurren Lagann as a show is what really changed me
good job man
bring the content back
Wow man this comment actually means a lot to me thank you so much! I’m really glad it made you feel that way I should be back soon! I promise I’m not done
@@jaxkorner4685 That's great to hear
Underrated video bro keep it up
Thank you very much that means a lot
Rock from Black Lagoon
He is a Normal Japanese guy suffering from being over worked as a salaryman with little to no recognition at all.
Until one day his boss sends him on a ‘business trip’ and that’s when he gets kidnapped by pirates and needs to adapt to survive.
Even tho its slice of life anime. I say kotaro from kotaro inspired me that not everything in life is going to go your way you got to pull your boot straps ( even tho he's 4 & im 24 😵 werid ) you got independent or have help from strangers
i'm 23 and i could not watch much of Kotaro, because the loneliness he suffers is far too much, and hits too close to home for me. maybe i'll give it another try in the future
@@newt2120 understandable
thorfinn is so simple at some point. He wants to be better. to change himself to be better version of himself. that's his real battle. I hope I didn't confuse someone. when you help someone, YOU help yourself. :) It's not CHEESY
Not cheesy at all! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve realized my actual enemy or my actual obstacle is just myself. Realizing that is half the battle and we should than all strive to be better versions of ourselves
My Kin. We weren't born to fight, we were Hell raised to. The Northmen - I grew up in the Vineland surrounded by the pine barrens (barren womb/earth) where the Jersey Devil haunts the blood soaked lands of Free-dom (to escape service/the Kingdom). People here like to play with Stranger Things, dark things, worship devils and demons, and they cried vengeance, and vengeance came - for them - be careful when you call for justice because justice will come for you - the scales must be balanced. We grow a mean Devil's Fruit in the Vineland, tomatoes, because the ground is so salty and swampy from the past, and people love to smother their bread that Pan bakes for them in an oven with it and all their other wicked delights - consumers - those that demand service rather than serving - the Free-dom lovers. They think violence is cute now, lazy dogs who never even touched a blade much less had it plunged into them, and fall for this myth that Valhalla is where my kin want to return - we do not - we want Freya to bring us Fólkvangr where we can rest and be with our loved ones again - but we have wicked delights from the battles and we would be restless there because of it - this endless war - you dogs - you arrogant dogs doing it all over again, screaming God is dead and Science is king as you raise Hell around this place again, so you will see them all re-emerge if you haven't already, those you despised even though they brought you what you want, breakers of chains - the ones you left dead and buried, but the Winter snow can only cover so much after the Fall and only wash away the blood on the surface in Spring, the bones remain, the truth remains - what we are, what this place is, and eventually the past will rise up to haunt us when we forget to learn our lessons of history. Rainbow - the Pride symbol - why it arches up and goes back on the earth - because sin will not enter heaven. Pride: violet, Envy: green, Wrath: red, Greed: yellow, Lust: blue, Sloth: indigo, and Gluttony: orange (passion fruit). We are dog/god reversed - canine - carnivore - consumers of delight/flesh. We are a union of our crimes: Wrath (Mars/War/red) and Lust (Venus/Sex/blue) - in the mother of sin - mother nature - consuming the womb with a view. Rather than sitting around contemplating this world, why not bend a knee and serve and know what this lie system, this World Wide Web will ever teach you. They're dancing to Blackpink (pink=innocence) and handing out black pills. Now's the time. Matthew 6.
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Gewürz Händler thank you!!!🙌🏼
So you basically transformed into jesus thanks to thorfinn
Idk about that!😂 but it definitely made me realize how bad holding grudges and hating can be for you
abt the berserk thing uhh , there’s a massive amount more got guts then brutal gorey massive guy i mean the depth in his character is insane. he’s def above thorfinn in depth although by my subjective morality he is not.
Guess it's a subjective thing, for me Thorfinn will always have far more depth than Guts even though I respect that character equally too.