The Corruption of Saint Denis - Red Dead Redemption 2
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2023
- Today, we will be exploring the underside to Saint Denis' high society.
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If you arrive in Saint Denis with nice clothes when looking for Bronte, the bar doesn't all stop and stare at you when you come in. The Bartender also doesn't ignore you as heavily. I only recently tried this after playing for years.
What counts as 'nice'? I always wear formal suit and ties but I'm pretty sure that still happened...
@@Kvs-vf9nt Well that's an awful.. lotta exposition, to be honest, I always wear a rambler's jacket, traditional vest, working pants and dress shoes along with a tie. The only difference is the color really, I'm not creative with my attire, I just wear formal and I'm good.
@@phelps9112 It may have been The Saint Denis or The Deauville? I bought them from the city before the story sends you there.
@@brandon9689 Alright I'll check it out since I'm doing a new playthrough anyway.
@@Kvs-vf9nt 3400 hours? That's insane
Bronte is a great villian for Dutch because he is an outlaw of the past coming face to face with an outlaw of the future. Bronte and his organization are proof that even the criminal underworld is leaving them behind.
Dutch is a relic of the 19th-century Western outlaw gang, whereas Bronte is the definition of the 20th century Il Mano Negro/Mafia gangster.
Mafioso vs. Outlaw gang leader. Changing of the guard and all that. In line with many of the other themes in the game.
Also note Bronte has much more power and influence by simply using the threat of force to encourage corruption that benefits him, whereas Dutch is focused almost entirely on dangerous, high profile, old-timey Wild West heists that clearly attract public [newspapers, rumors] and government attention. Dutch's Boys in general are too busy LARPing as if it's the 1860s and reminiscing about the old days to actually adapt their strategy for modern times.
@@nachoguy5 I wouldn’t consider it a larp considering this is how it’s been done for ages and they’re just outdated now. But when they came up that’s how it worked, so it’s what they know
That was my take on it aswell when I first met Bronte. The duality of it all was pretty striking and I loved it. Angelo to me represents one of the early figures of the Italian American Mafia. The beginning of a new type of criminal enterprise that does not shun civilization and live outside of it but actively embraces it. Something Dutch vehemently detests.
“You boys found my pappys watch yet?!” John’s one liners will always be the best 😂
And he always says them at the *worst* times lmao
"yOU EAT BABIES!"
“Goddamn place- i mean goshdarn shithole” in the same mission😂
That line never gets old
That could also be a nod to the movie Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence.
"Those were the days." Dutch biting his tongue and eating the insult is a great scene.
pretty hard for a guy like Dutch I imagine
it's crazy seeing it because chapter 6 Dutch would never show that much restraint
Yea he hit the spot 😂
Then he kills him a couple of days later
Im convinced this man will never run out of red dead videos.
I hope not! The best...
At least until RDR3
I mean probably not because he just remakes older ones too lol.
Still watch them though
I hope he and the strange man has enough rdr2 videos to keep us waiting until gta 6 or rdr3
@@Lamedvavnik hopefully it’ll happen
Red Dead gets a lot of praise but no one ever talks about the set work and shot composition, the way John, Dutch, and Arthur are reduced sitting all little on that couch across from Brontë when they first meet is a hilarious bit of physical comedy begat from the framing. It also highlights Arthur and John’s bewilderment. They’ve been taken off guard, and Brontë is reclined and relaxed - in emotional control of the situation, manipulating Dutch with ease. Video games have a tendency to turn off the part of my brain that appreciates cinematography because most of the game is a static third person view but if I manually pay attention it’s very rewarding and it’s certainly work that the developers deserve praise for
That's a great insight! Red Dead 2 has some really great cinematic shots.
People definitely talk about the set work and shot composition. It's one of the great parts of the game that everyone definitely talked about at first. It's years later and the "Easter eggs" and the minute details have been the focus for the past couple years.
Bear in mind, all the cutscenes of this game were shot with everyone in ping-pong ball mocap suits. It was created like a movie, where everyone’s positions and the composition of scenes was specifically thought through
@@boddaboom77I think there’s just SO much that people talk about, that it’s kinda hard to hear everything about it.
@CamTheWarlock yeah, I can appreciate that. Especially with a game like RDR2 that's been out for so long. Some of the praise and criticisms and talking points kinda come and go in cycles. The cinematography and storytelling of RDR2 should be pretty evident for anyone who has played through the game to the Epilogue. It's just beautiful throughout to me.
Bronte is such a good villain. Seeing him power-play over Dutch is wild. Thanks for the great content as always!
I wish they would have kept him around a bit longer
Really enjoyed Braithwaite and Bronte. Both rolled with gang putting them on the spot, and turned the situation in their favor effortlessly. The only thing Dutch had going for him was the fact Arthur is a time warlock. Without an unstoppable killing machine Dutch would have lost to both of them.
way too cocky and way to full of himself to be a threat for the gang. he could have handled Dutch the same way the mayor handled Arthur but noooo doveva scopare con loro. he is a good villain tho and well written..just as a person,bad.
I did wish we had more missions with the beau thwarts and bronte
honestly wasn’t that surprising considering how careless and naive dutch was, considering he got set up the first mission brontë gave them
I love freeing the Mayor’s assistant, did it in my first playthrough and seeing him becoming mayor when playing as John is a cool detail
I kill him for the 10% discount in all shops playing as low honor Arthur.
Where/How do you see him become mayor?
Read the newspaper
@@PaulRodriguez9 I also remember getting a letter as Arthur which referred to Jean Marc as the mayor
@Paul Rodriguez I don't have anyone selling newspapers idk if I need to continue with missions or maybe I accidentally killed the kid
I remember the introduction to Saint Denis. The pure filth you felt seeing all the factories active, working all the poor people to death. I hated the very sight of it and you could feel Dutch and Arthur feeling the same. I think Rockstar truly perfected the "Wild west" and the civil world in one map. The way the people are so different compared to Tumbleweed or other livestock towns really makes you ponder if humanity ever really changed for the best.
Modern urban civilization definitely has brought many good things to our species, but it’s undeniably left some irreparable harm to us as well. Lately I’ve been feeling like we aren’t meant for the city living life. When you compare the crime rates, drug abuse rates, and mental health problems between urban and rural living, rural living has a clear advantage. I was raised in a medium sized city in the North East US (250k population) but recently I moved across the country to a much smaller city in the Deep South and now live in a much more spread out area, and I feel a lot better. Less smothered by urban life. It was good for me
Damn you really gave me another perspective
Yet it just undermines the same exact thesis and idea of the first game, where Blackwater was the most advanced town and the sign of the future, with its paved roads, established police force and automobiles.
@@Hoppelite I mean wherever there are more people there is gonna be more crime, I'd personally rather live in a city after growing up in boring small towns my whole life but everyone's different. I will say the industrial revolution sure does have a lot to answer for- climate change and exploitation of the working class to name just 2, but without it we wouldn't have the technology we're using right now to watch this video or type these comments so it is what it is innit🤷♀
Yeah, don't forget that the sheriff in one of those livestock towns straight murders his girlfriend, and the other started shooting people without trial, which even then was a big no no. And then there's sheriff gray. This game is a compilation of bad guys, corruption and futility, it's beautiful.
What Dutch was too stupid to realize is that if that trolley station did have a shit ton of money, Brontë would have either snatched it himself or some other gang would have. Also it would have been heavily guarded to begin with.
Idk, Bronte is a crime boss not a petty criminal. You can only bribe the police as long as you stay out of each others way
And what's not to say that Bronte already had deals with the trolley station for them to pass "safely"
Always loved the part where Arthur holds that guy’s arm to light his cigar😂”alright now get lost “
same 😂
I still think Bronte always intended to give Jack back, and he treated Jack like a prince because he knew that would sadden and anger the people Jack was going back to, hearing him talk about Bronte as "Papa". He's truly a sick man
I think that because Bronte lived amongst false people who would take any advantange to throw him out of his throne he treated Jack, the only innocent thing that came for his life, like a prince; because he wasn't inside that criminal world and had the kindness and innocence of a kid
Bronte actually has a soft spot for kids, he helps orphan children at times.
@@zacharyriley4561 a repulsive maggot nonetheless.
I think too that those old fashioned mafiosos had some pretty strong principles about not harming women or children during the course of "business" if they could help it. It just wasn't done.
@@darthdaddy3071 Those were the old school Mafiosi, pre-Lucky Luciano (the ones high on traditional values). The new school Mafiosi, Lucky Luciano-present day, don't give a fuck about anything other than money.
Hearing how Bronte talks to the characters, it reminds me that feeding him to the alligator was justified.
Especially calling them dirty and stinky.
@@KyleEvra"stinking like sh*t" were his actual words
I just completed a replay and finally realized the blue restaurant with striped awnings by Algernon Wasp’s greenhouse is Commander’s Palace, a fantastic NOLA restaurant in business continuously since the 1800s, where several famous TV chefs started out (the tiniest details of New Orleans architecture are captured as well as the city’s legendary corruption)
yea, theres a corn field gate in an area in New Orleans (saw it in a video where some guy explored the locations where rdr2 had inspiration) and..THAT GATE IS IN THE GAME
woah thats so cool
Absolutely. If people can't see that Saint Denis is clearly inspired by to or a direct reference to the city on NOLA then they aren't paying attention😂
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the quality of content he creates.
The best, he’s just the best. I’ve been following him for like pre pandemic with 3 days and watched every vid since then!!🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Indeed. Truly giving us the best possible content he can. A true legend!
I’ll take more than a moment. I’ll take 45 minutes lol
Shut up
It chuckled me how Arthur first met the mayor in his mansion with his beard looking well-shaped and came a second time with a full fledged Viking beard shortly after. The things Saint Denis offer you...
Your first sentence is grammatically incorrect. I assume you meant, "it tickled me...". That works, grammatically.
Or, "I chuckled when Arthur....."
I think Lemieux is based on Pierre Lanoire, mayor of the French city Marseille in the 1860’s. He was corrupt but charismatic and well liked until the mafia that operated in his city were accused of burning down an orphanage which led to so much public outcry he had to resign and go into exile, being replaced by his former assistant Julien Gaiter.
Dutch was so right when he fed Bronte to gators, it was also hilarious.
No he wasn't lol
He could have used him for a good paycheck which would have made him last longer and would have helped him achieve what he wanted (even though he would have eventually lost anyways)
@@Nizzumnuts lol bronte wouldve backstabbed him again
@@Nizzumnuts dude, there was nothing more they could have done after kidnapping him and killing his guards, keeping him alive would have got them screwed over worse than they already was
Yeah I never understood why the gang helped you kill a small army guarding the house and kidnap Bronte, but got all offended when Dutch fed him to a gator, especially John considering bronte held his son for ransom, and set up Arthur, Dutch, and Lenny at the train station. Dude had it coming
@@clamcrewcarclub6017they didnt tourture soldiers and it was dutches emotions and just hime be8ng unhinged which dosent happen often
I like that the kid can lead you to a group of other young thugs who tell you where to go but man i’ve never wanted to slap children more in a game than that cutscene
Same
Bronte playing Dutch in front of his face added a ton to both of them. All his life, Dutch mostly robbed dumb, country folks but he couldn't help it once he came into contact with a powerful man from the city who thought himself untouchable
And Bronte ended up being Dutch's better. In many ways, Bronte is Dutch if he figured out civilization.
Saint Denis really feels like a bad city even to this day. Saint Denis has a physical taste, smell, and feel that you can feel through the screen. The sounds are garbled through the cranking of industrial gears, the cries of pain, the corruption. While Saint Denis seems at first glance like a world wonder in an old society, the truth is that for the average person, the pay off isn't worth anything. You lose everything in Saint Denis if you're not the exploiter of the people. Rockstar Games did an AMAZING job with making Saint Denis a supposed paradise, but a smog storm in person.
Bronte is disgustingly evil. You could see Arthur noticing it when Dutch and Bronte were talking on the balcony
I think we can surmise that the State of Lemoyne was purchased by the United States from the French Republic in the very early 1800's (the Louisiana Purchase occurred in 1803). The city of Saint Denis still has a large French ex-pat population. On their first playthrough did anyone else try to draw their weapons to kill the guy who stole our bag?
Summarize*
Nah, surmise is a separate word synonymous with assume
Yep I wanted to kill them so bad can never get gold on that mission
@@noobie1890 swing and a miss. Sumise is the word you are looking for. You were correct in pointing out that an error had occurred. It was just a spelling error, not poor word choice.
@@craigstoner2632ironic that you make a point on improper spelling only to misspell surmise as sumise 😂
the mission where arthur and john search the cemetery is so good. the fog, the darkness mixed with the lighting. ah, i adore it.
I really feel especially the police department is corrupt because even when the npc starts shooting I’m still the bad guy if I even tie him up
I know! The sheriff of Valentine shot a guy to death for pulling a knife on me during a fist fight, but I've never made it out of San Denis without a bounty.
@@dahken417 yes in valentine it’s the exact opposite, I remember the sheriff there shot a gunsmith for defending himself because I was robbing his store
@@vaqueroman9406 Ha! Never had that much good luck.
The blood money dlc in Red Dead online proves their corruption
@@mycaht364 as does their nationality!
Oh you know it’s gonna be a great day when Fizhy posts a forty minute RDR2 minidoc. Keep up the great work!
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@@OldSport83 Human.
Didn't even realize it was that long and when I checked the time I was already halfway through
I just want to take a moment to appreciate that he realized that 90% of people would check Discord as soon as they heard that noise so he did us a solid and told us it was in the video
Always love to hear interesting stuff about the bustling city of Sandy Knee
You could say alot of things about Bronte but he was right on the money with Dutch and his personality
Takes one to know one lol
Dutch is right though. He does possess something Bronte never would or even could understand. Micah Bell aside, his men are 150% loyal to him. He's much more a "king" in the romanticized sense of the word, than Bronte ever managed to be. No one was loyal to Bronte, they were loyal to their wallets and others feared him.
Being from Louisiana born and raised, exploring Saint Denis was really cool as though its not an exact recreation its obvious its based on New Orleans so it was kinda like a blast to the past of a really cool place.
Funniest moment to me when you tell Dutch you got robbed, he was ready to put a bullet in the person’s head. When Arthur said it was children, Dutch stopped being angry.
You can still fish out that severed arm if you spare Jean Marc. Arthur says something like, "Jeeze, someone wanted you to disappear."
These are always so well done. You really have a talent for storytelling. And I know I've probably said it a thousand times before in the comments but genuinely, keep up the great work 👊🏿. As many times as I've played this game, I can consume these breakdowns/analysis's endlessly and still find myself learning something new or thanks to your videos picking up on maybe details I'd missed.
The best way to describe corruption in these games, other than complex, is with the line "It's so much bigger than you could ever imagine, it's the whole system" said by DA Gil Colson in "The Batman".
06:43 when asked who he is, I would have LOVED to hear Dutch say: "Names are for friends, so I don't NEED one!" as he pulls the guy into the gate!
Fun Facts: Angelo Bronte is acted by the same guy that played Boozer in Days Gone.
Also, you can go to New Austin during the graverobbing mission. John follows you there and back, and you can catch a Tiger-Striped Mustang!
I just love how Arthur goes from a tundra hunter to Rasputin in between his first and second visit with the mayor.
Loving these detailed insights into RDR Stuff really like these types of videos. Keep it up man
Another damn Fizhy lore video, thank you for that; it's always a good listen.
What i find interesting through all of this is how many people see right through Dutch and his rhetoric except for the people in the gang. The Grays and Baithewaits manipulated him into attacking their rivals, Bronte, who was too powerful to care about Dutch's posturing, saw Dutch as a kindred spirit, but not in a positive way.
That imo is the significance of the Dutch killing Bronte scene. Bronte figured Dutch was doing what Bronte did and bought the loyalty of his men, keeping them in line with money. And when his offer to pay the gang more than double what he thought dutch does was met with stone silence, he realized Dutch was far more dangerous than he could have anticipated, because he kept his tools in line with faith and you can't buy that out.
Fantastic story telling bits
That's what I think is amazing about Dutch.
Call each gang member by name and they will be loyal to you.
Not to mention how he raised few of them.
😊❤🖤
Loving these new 40 minute or so video essays on big topics of rdr2 lore. Keep up the great work!
Honestly love this content
grew up on rdr1 so its nice to have this part of me tickled
love this shit
7:05: The reason that Bronte has so many armed guards (and why he's specifically noted as being 'Italian') is because of the real-life history of Late 19th - Early 20th Century New Orleans (which Saint Denis is based off of; Lemoyne being a thinly veiled parallel to Louisiana, my home state).
More specifically, it's based on the criminal history of New Orleans, which at the time was mostly ruled over by La Cosa Nostra, or "the Black Hand" in English, which was a kind of precursor to the modern-day Mafia and the Crime Families. They got their name from their calling card which they would put on a piece of paper they mailed to the target of their attentions or would paint onto the sides of buildings they were going to target... a black handprint, meaning that they were 'Marked for Death/ Harassment.'
They often used brutal scare tactics of burning down properties belonging to folks that wouldn't pay their 'Protection' Fee, of mutilating and disfiguring those that had either publicly or unintentionally stood in their way leaving them in a state of agony but not letting them die before showing others what they were willing to do to anybody that opposed them, kidnapping and ransoming children or wives to extort money from desperate family members who didn't want to see their loved ones hurt, and other cruel, exploitative acts to assert dominance over the average citizen and to intimidate those law-enforcement officers who wouldn't play ball and become dirty cops in their employ, by showing them how far they were willing to go.
In fact, there's some suspicion that the actual serial killer involved in the mysterious 'Axman Murders' of the early 1910s was actually a La Cosa Nostra hitmen sent to assassinate people for either refusing to work with or pay expected fees to the organization.
The main crux of the arguments was that one of the main suspects at the time was a known associate of la Cosa Nostra, as well as most of the victims being either Americans of Italian descent or Italian immigrants.
I always stop whatever I'm doing to watch these videos right away. Keep up the great work Fizhy.
I’m simple, I see a RDR2 video from Fizhy, I click.
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You transcribe the deepest part of the scenario in the most developed way , amazing work cowpoke !
Genuinely thank you for all the red dead 2 content all these years later, I look forward to every single video :D
33:24 I love how Arthur just kicks the dude until he gives up 😂
This is the comment i was looking for, that part was funny asl
Great video! I feel like a video dedicated to the Van Horn Trading Post would be interesting because of how completely lawless the town is, and also how unnecessarily aggressive it’s residents are. I wonder how it came to be that way.
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Thank you!
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While playing this game , I became torn on whether to think Dutch was actually a storm for good. Yes, he put his gang in danger, but most of the time, they are getting rid of worse men.
I was loyal till the end to dutch on my first playtrough, i always wanted to see the good on his actions either to the gang or to the world, but there was a moment i had enough and i coulndt continue to search for the good when there was none
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Hey man happy to see another upload so soon after the last! You’re on fire and we appreciate your hard and consistent work! Much love my friend
You have a great voice for these stories. You always make it more mysterious
Thanks Fizhy. Really love this game and your videos on it.
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I wish we got more missions in Saint Denis like more robberies or making events of some sort go wrong for Bronté or see the gang explore the city and get get used to high society, maybe a companion when doing Henri Lemieux dirty work?? More characters to work with? Rival businesses? Targets for the Van der linde gang, like someone who knows who they are and threaten to send Milton, so they silence them. Idk R* should’ve expanded the potential of somewhere as huge like Saint Denis,
Rather have anything but those Guarma mission's I nearly gave up on the game at that point
@@olivergould3878 If Guarma was exploration like it was supposed too it would have been more enjoyable. But chapter 5 was too short. I mean we could had stayed at Lakay a bit longer. The Guarma missions were very easy missions and it doesn't take long to be back but then again I wanted to explore a full island to bad we didn't have that.
@@Kvs-vf9nt I know what you mean you try to explore but you get shot down by Fusar's goons if I remember right it's possible but not possible cos you get gunned down if you try. But nah I don't like it because it's only purpose is to show how crazy Dutch is and I feel like Fursar wasn't a main Villain I think Bronte should of had a longer storyline I say he was more annoying then a character I could hate!
Bruh, I just got back home from a Nightshift (No Commodores) only to see a near hour video on RDR2 from the boy, Fiz...
Lemme roll up and get comfortable.
Love these videos and Do Not Stop!! I don't care if you're talking about the mountains, just keep em coming.
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I did t know you could catch up to the little bastard! I thought the game coded the mission to where you can’t catch up but it felt good to see him surrender😭 played the story about 6 times and never caught that little sh*t😂😆
I didn't know you could fail it
If you let him escape he leads you to his kid gang
Just finished RDR2 for the first time. Came across your videos. Thank you, sir! These are extremely quality content.
these types of videos are literally AMAZING.
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i dont care this vid was 8 months ago its still very good.
11:44 if you watch the guy Dutch talks too, you can see him flick his hand out from under his chin. This is the Italian equivalent of flipping somebody off, and a detail that I absolutely love
I love these video’s! You make such good documentaries!
Best RDR2 content on the internet. Always in depth, informative, entertaining. The best part is it’s obvious you love the game as much as we do. Unlike some other clickbait creators on UA-cam who seem like they’ve never even played the whole story coughMrBossftwcough
Def best content other guys are pretty cringy this dude could be a producer
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Really enjoyed this video, thanks fizhy
This is my first video of yours that I have seen but gawd damn you put a lot of effort in.
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As soon as I think I’m done with red dead content - THERES MORE - from you and I be loving it.
Love these vids and this game man. Four years and I still can’t get enough. Fuckin legendary.
I like how at 11:45 the guy gives the hand gesture for "I don't care" and Dutch probably thought he was getting a goodbye kiss lol
I love how the trolley car magically goes really fast all of a sudden none of the other ones go that fast
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"You boys found my Pappy's watch yet" has gotta be one of the best lines in the series
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Good content, mate. As always.
These videos are making me replay the game after leaving it for a few years
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I always loved the Bronte section. There's just something about the dynamic of the past vs the future of American organized crime.
You should do more like this , don't worry about repeat the themes! Red dead lore and your narrative skills are enough. 🤙
I don't use that bro. I create once but lost the pass
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