@@AlphaZeroX96 I guess sarcasm is not something that you're used to. It's ok, there will be a lot of other videos where you can be praised for being judgemental on the reviewer rather than the opinion pushed out by the reviewer, and the many points that he raises. :)
Controllers are fine for games they're designed for, even some FPS games. For example Halo plays better/more natural on Xbox than on PC. But Quake is a pure PC shooter and I'd rather carve my eyes out than play any Quake game, especially multiplayer, with joysticks.
Yeah, some games like GTA or Saints Row I much prefer playing on the TV with joypad. But for FPS, they're the worst thing that ever happened, responsible for the slowing down, aiming down sights, slo-mo sequences and all that crap. When the FPS market shifted from PC to console, there was no place anymore for a game like Q3A with its rocket jump and railgun mayhem.
Before quake champions I'd never played an actual arena shooter, tried tribes ascend but that's not quite the same thing. I love QC, as a kid I was too poor to have a pc and by the time I'd gotten a pc, the world was ruled by COD. To me this is refreshing and vivifies all the nostalgia I had looking through my step fathers magazines from the late 90s. Quake is oddly a part of my childhood I never had, the missing piece between the Spawn comics and the heavy industrial metal. This probably isn't the comment you're asking for lol but I do love QC enough I bought the champions pack just to show support for the genre.
It's exactly the kind of comment I'm looking for. Even though I was able to live that stuff (I turned 38 just a few days ago), it's a part of my childhood and youth. Comparable for me to your situation would be stuff I couldn't afford but can now - so from time to time I indulge. The COD problem is something I really should do another video on, but gotta do some disclaimers first because I'm working in the gaming industry and I can't really say all the stuff I want to say without making things awkward for myself.
First, I have to say Thank you for this two videos "If quake was done today" and this one. On the first video you already got my subscribe!! And hell yeah I'm now 36 and it was also during my childhood - thanks to my parents that they never said what I have to play or not :-D Do you know Slope? He was one of the worlds best gamer at Quake 1, which I've played like a junk. Know that map and location, where you could remove the floor via a switch at an u turn style hallway? His jump around that corner was groundbraking, and at some point I got it managed - what was the name of that Map, where you could jump around an edge :-D No one knows or getted managed from my friends... how often they folowed me, and fall into the lava. I'm so nostalgic right now. Do you have QuakeLive HansLollo? I'm searching for good quake players. I've also a clan and a root server for the most wanted games for me and my freinds ;-) if interested, give me a short pm! PS: HansLollo - that name sounds so german, aren't you?
My experience was a little different. I’m also 38 but I grew up playing PC games only. Never owned a console of any kind. But I didn’t have a decent internet connection. I was on dial up until 2003, so multiplayer wasn’t really an option. The bots on Unreal Tournament and Quake III Arena were a godsend for me. I’ve thought of trying Quake Champions as well as Doom 2016. Couldn’t bring myself to do it because I know the gaming community is crap these days.
All the comments about "back then" reminded me on that one time the mains breaker went bang while I was absolutely concentrated and immersed into the fast paced gameplay of UT. I have been playing loudly on big boxes and it was dark outside. And then all of a sudden I was robbed of of all of my senses. It was dark and I couldn't remember where I was, what I was doing or in wich state I was (like sleeping or being awake?) like I've been created into life that very instant. It must be like that being hit by a flash bang. It took like 20 seconds for me to find out what happened, what I was doing, and even wether I was a boy or a girl or a bodyless entity floating in limbo. In reverse order. I did that by deduction actually, point after point, while sitting in my dark room. That was very weird :D . The chain of thought was basically like that: Darkness -> where am I -> WHAT am I -> I should see something...I think...do I even have the ability to see? ...I think so -> why is it all black then? -> are my eyes closed, am I sleeping or awake? -> my eyes are open and I think that I'm a fleshy being, not some bodless thing, still it's just dark, what's wrong? -> reasons for darkness: I'm still asleep or the light is out -> I'm not sleeping, my eyes are open, is this some kind of sleep paralysis? -> no, I can touch myself and move my arms, I'm definately awake and have my eyes open -> light must be out -> so I WAS sleeping and woke up -> not really, I'm not in bed, actually I'm -> feels around -> sitting on a chair? that's no normal situation. what lead to that? no wait, first: WHERE actually am I? -> feels around some more -> ooh, that's a keyboard...and a desk...and a computer, I think it's my room -> why am I sitting in my room in front of the computer while everything is dark and silent? -> maybe make the darkness go away to find that out, it's also creepy...light switch, yes oh glorious light switch! everything will be normal in a second -> stands up, stumbles through room -> switch *nothing happens* -> WHAAAAT?! maybe I'm dreaming after all and this is a nightmare...think, how did I get here, it must have something to do with the computer because I was sitting there -> oooh, I was playing UT, but what the hell happened? -> hmm, light not working, computer not working...everything is indeed fine and real (not unreal hoho!) and the perfect explanation for everything is: the breaker must have popped! tadaa! Now that was an experience...
I particularly dislike many newer games for their weighty movement controls and overabundance of motion blur, emphasis of "filmic" experience. This just makes them feel unresponsive and clunky for me. Even if i run this crap on a $2500 PC at 144 frames per second. Meanwhile older arena shooters have zero weight on the movement controls. So does World of Warcraft as well. These games are 100% responsive and forget about any semblence of unnecesary realism.
Thanks, finally someone with a proper perspective. That is exactly my problem with most modern games ... Everything (especially movement) feels clunky, somewhat unresponsive and the screen is cluttered with useless shit while you have no way to run more basic settings ... (all those points also apply to QC from my perspective) Mods and command lines have effectively been removed in almost every game ... instead we get dumbed-down console-like menues and server-browsers are removed. Dirty Bomb is pretty much the only game left for me that has somehwat fast-paced Shooter a high skill ceiling and good steady flow of gameplay (though servers are shit currently and there is much wasted potential by the devs). Modern gamers apparently don't recognize and appreciate this stuff (good mechanics, great weapon balance) anymore ... They just want knive to trade, one-button-kills and some obnoxious twitch/YT moron playing "their" game. Games like Q3 or UT would be dead within weeks today ...
Totally agree to both of your oppinion! Remember of the time where Counterstrike was a MOD for HalfLife. Not like today, when you buy a game and after some time there are coming some dlcs to make more and more money out of a game. Remember for example Payday 2, I wont think of how much money I've spent!
Xul i would sound a bit old and dusty, but this is the vector. somebody asks controller? not bad. new guyz and ladies do not even type - they dict. which is something i totally understand, writing this comment on ipad - with a patience, as it is a bit.. too slow and not really responsive, if u know what i mean ;)
I was wondering why is Quake Champions so unpopular. Turned out, it's a genuinely good game and I'm having a blast with it (even though I preferred UT and I was never too good with arena shooters). They even managed to make lootboxes not cancerous (I don't care about cosmetics).
I mean it's a question of personal taste. I played both UT99 and Q3A extensively, but always ended up falling back to Quake3. Probably because I also played Leagues back then.
I prefer Quake 2 on multi than Quake 3 Arena to be honest. Quake 2 was darker and had game mechanics closer to Unreal Tournament 1999, while Quake 3 Arena had too "eye-candy" colourful graphics and different game mechanics. I don't play Quake Champions & new Unreal Tournament 4 because i fucking hate microtransactions, even if they are "cosmetic only".
"I played both UT99 and Q3A extensively, but always ended up falling back to Quake3." Same. UT was better in many regards, doing all sorts of fancy stuff with low gravity, that compression chamber, and whatnot. More weapons, secondary fire, different armour and shield types, more game types (assault etc). I also preferred UT for CTF. Q3A had a different approach, it tried to keep it simple and focus on the core. There's less quantity in how you can shoot, but more than UT it completely nailed its weapons. UT had the ASMD with two different fire modes you could combo, it had that rocket launcher that you could charge with several rockets or grenades, and it had less interesting weapons like that bio blob whatever gun and that shuriken throwing thing. Q3A had a rocket launcher that nailed rocket launching and was great for rocket jumps. It had a railgun that nailed what a railgun is about, it had a plasma gun that was a plasma gun, end of story. There was no different armour/shield nonsense, you just had three big numbers for health, armour, and ammo. There's beauty in this minimalism, and Q3A really made it work. Likewise, in term of game modes, Q3A focussed on deathmatch. As I said, there was much other stuff UT was better at, but for no-nonsense deathmatch, Q3A was king.
Camping Simulator really. Seems to me as if winning a round depends more on luck than anything else really. There was a time when I said that about Counterstrike, but Pubg made me appreciate CS ^^
@@HansLollo Luck in PUBG is a factor yes, but not as big as you might think. You can have all the RNG in the world and you will still be shit in that game if you are lacking skill / knowledge. After all, Quake has some RNG as well like respawn positions after fragging someone. It might result in a snowball effect and giving you a win in the end.
Let me have my power fantasy! My mommy won't let me play Quake any more because last time i threw the hamster out of the window and strangled the snake in front of my little baby brother.
The first time i played Quake was a flash version in a website, even if i wasn't really good i found the game really fun, i was 8 when i played quake for the first time, now even today i have quake with both map packs included, also i want to try QC now, nice video!
QC just got a major patch yesterday, so most of the info in this video are out of date regarding lootboxes etc. (They have been removed). Far as I can see it's a lot better now when it comes to that.
hah! That's quite funny to see that on a Browser. Is there the same for Doom and Wolf3D as well? I remember playing a wolf3D bootleg on the browser as well
0:06 WTF are you who have written this fucking nonsense? OMG XD And what's wrong about lootboxes? It's just a modern trend. It don't gives you any advantages in the game and also you can obtain absolutely any item without spending a single penny. Another weird thing in this video: It seems that the author lives in Germany. That's strange to complain about price of in-game items, considering very high German salaries :) Latest thing: QC is a really cool game right now! Optimization is awesome (130-140 fps in DM with i3 + gtx950). Balance is finally absolutely fine. I'm still playing and enjoying it. And I really hope that this game finally will get some advertisement, because it didn't have it before.
I've played the game ONCE yesterday for the first time. I have also played quake 3 arena and I will just say this, quake champions far surpassed my expectations. It started when I watched the original quake professionals play the game, am I interest started to grow off of galena's totem placing. I also feel super at home having strafe jumping back. I remembered seeing something about quake champions a few years ago. It was some kind of advertisement, probably from GameSpot or IGN, and it mentioned that it was bringing back straight jumping. At the end I saw Bethesda tagged onto the credits and immediately I was devastated. I thought it was going to be terrible so I never kept up with the updates and news. So here I am now regretting the fact that I shunned it XD. This is a great game, I plan on playing this a lot in the future.
Good video but there are some things I would add to this "review" 1: The netcode and performance of the game is terrible and it hasn't been fixed for over a year. 2: In QC the devs were able to unify movement from all Quake Releases in QC with the help of passive abilities (Anarki & Sorlag - Q1, Athena - Q2, Slash - Q2 etc.) I think giving old school players the ability to play QC like any previous Quake was worth mentioning. 3: NA servers have awful waiting times in competitive gamemodes. Other than that I liked this video!
I've never played Quake Champions but am a big Q3/UT fan from back in the day, and QC does seem a lot more complicated, with all the champions and abilities you have to learn, different movement for different characters, all the weapon skins and just general clutter. The game seems cluttered to me. Whereas Q3 (and to a very lesser extent, UT) is very simple - the character you choose basically doesn't matter at all, and all you need to learn are the 9 weapons and the map layouts and you're good to go. So I can understand why younger people who are used to fortnite, might be put off by QC - joining a server and seeing a bunch of guys bouncing and hopping around the map, very difficult to hit, and then dying out of nowhere; only to respawn and do the same thing over and over. I can see why they'd rather go back to these battle royale style games, where you have a big open map and just have to aim a hitscan weapon at a dancing opponent and whichever one happens to score the most hits (or who happened to find the better armour/weapon) wins. For me I am more used to arena MP shooters (been playing them since q3 in 1999) and I hated the battle royale style games my friends all got into. It ended up being, you drop into some big wide open map, spend 5 minutes scrounging around trying to find weapons, only to die in 2 seconds out of nowhere from someone you didn't see - or either that or I find an enemy in close quarters, I hit in 7 or 8 times, he turns around and hits me 3 times and I die, because he happened to find a purple gun and armour and mine was green.
Well, Quake 3 Arena with, very important for me, self-hosting, mods and whatnot still exists and still works great. Its even FOSS now, so no problem getting it to work on anything powerful enough.
Found this today while searching for the original! I play QC to this day, got called a cheater three times *today* (and I identify myself as a noob, perhaps a veteran noob), the game exited EA (with no fixes since 2018) on 2022-08-18 and we all still hate how they mishandled the outsourcing of game's development, rushed the launch by 2 years and pushed the gambling lootboxes (I believe I am the world #1 collector, I have 2250 unopened lootboxes currently). By now we moved away from 3 in-game currencies and having to gamble everything to get an item, in favor of Fortnite style season passes and a normal store with cosmetics (which would be fine if they were all there, and not cycle every few months, and also, if you could just buy stuff from champion customization menu, instead of having to browse the stupid store UI... but the game never had someone with UX credentials look at it, one of the reasons it failed). It's really a decent game nowadays, such a shame they botched the launch this badly (I'd say even worse than QL's!) so not many people stuck around to see what it became. (I played Quake re-release today as well, the KEX engine is still crap and not only plays at 200 FPS on a 3080, but soft-locks you by not moving platforms/elevators sometimes, may I recommend FTEQW for playing the new episode, which itself is freakin' awesome! Oh and they included some other community SP map packs/episodes right in the game menu, which is absolutely amazing, not everyone is us, quaddicted readers, everyone else had no idea these existed!)
love the game but hate this always on-line and lootbox bullshit; they could find another way to earn money. I've bought a champions pack but would gladly spend several coins to buy some bling, audiopacks (like in Palladins), and what not. The gameplay is gold here but wrapped in the layers of stinking shite straight from the marketing department. oh boy them suits are clueless.
i think quake is one of those rare games where u can guess first hand a veteran and a cheater. against a cheater cheater just walks around killing things. against a veteran. when i do respawn? or Where TF did he came from?
After 90 hours of playing I still suck, but that's okay, this game is still satisfying asf. Also even tho I can't win in regular deathmatches I learned to be at least useful in team deathmatches.
HEY, Camping is a Legit strategy! Jumping around like a Bunny non-stop isn't the _only_ strategy. Eh. I expected this video to be fun like the other one. I enjoyed my time with Quake Champions but my computer isn't good enough to handle it, and I did enjoy that all characters had stats now it's just that... I didn't see any _point_ to a HD Remake of *Quake 3 Arena* since that's basically what it is if we get down to the nitty gritty, and unlike you, I find the removal of the BFG to be a bad thing, since this just ensures the Rocket Launcher is the top tier weapon to use - aside from personal preference. At least back in the day, even a less skilled player could potentially win a match by getting the BFG and killing all the rocket-jumpers which gave that player a sense of " _I did good!_ " and kept them playing and thus learned more. Also, I do love my Open World games, but I think you were making jabs against the... I forgot what the genre was called but games like pubq and fn. Which really is just the latest thing to nag about, back in my days, it was Call of Duty we nagged about. Good video overall, but I find the title somewhat misleading. It's more of a review of Quake Champions after all. - and I fully agree about the lootbox crap.
I was very hesitant to QC when it was announced but somewhere I warmed up to it and now I play it at least once a week. Rather play it than Q3 or Live.
I discovered this video a bit late. Seems this vid was published not long after I got into it. Hope you're still playing the game, and if you are, I hope to see you in the arena in the near future 🙂
Better than most, but you'll be fucked by the vets. TF2 is a slower game by far, with a generally more modern feel. I mean, it's still Source, so some of that old magic is there, but make no mistake, it's not the same game. It certainly isn't Walker and Cook's original from... what, 96? There's a lower skill ceiling here, on the gunplay end of things. Quake 1, but contrast, is much much closer to what you're getting. However, SP doesn't really prepare you: you won't have learned how to bhop, f'rinstance. Your primary advantage is basic skills: You know how to aim and shoot, you've worked with the LG, GL, RL, SSG, et al, and you know your way around things like Rocket Jumps. Your greatest weakness will be adjusting to an engine, physics, and loadout that are *just different enough* to trip you up. You'll feel like you're too fast or too slow, have too much momentum, and GL or RL shots may end up misaimed or mistimed. And the LG got a big nerf, too...
@@THB192 Yeah, I've experienced that, pretty much. When I went back to TF2, I was shocked with how slow I felt. And I gained a much greater appreciation for the front line. I can remember one instance, where I was headshot twice in a row, from different angles, instantly killing me, all within half a second of re spawning. If I have ONE major complaint, it's that the hard-mode bots need to stop acting like they have LMAOBox. And it was an awkward surprise, accidentally killing myself with the nailgun. And I've only be interested in playing it casually, and I've had some fun with it, despite how...sterile it can feel. In one way, it feels like all the comp TF2 fans got their wish, for it without any RNG. And I'll admit... it feels both daunting... and a little draining, getting repeatedly stomped by a pro.
@@nooneinparticular5256 I mean, that's what those games were, yeah. I'm a dedicated Q3A/QW player, and I will never win against the hardcore. Hell, TFC and QWTF were just as bad.
4:35 Not that I like battle royale in anyway whatsoever but isn't it ironic that he refers to hiding in the bushes as a "power fantasy" but not bunny hopping super fast in Quake?
well it's a free2play game, lootboxes are standard. They're just cosmetics, not game altering powerups and they're not even that hard to get, plus there is a weekly set sale when you can get that cosmetic set. The only problem with quake is that it's too hardcore for the average fortnite/overwatch player.
I disagree with the "Just cosmetics" argument - and because I completely share Jim Sterling's view on this, here's him making some good points: ua-cam.com/video/Ce5CDrq4dGg/v-deo.html
I know Jim, I agree with him but his problem is with paid games having cosmetic lootboxes. Quake is just barely staying afloat it would be dead if it didn't make any money. If everything had a price tag people would just buy that and be done with it and the game would get a rapid influx of money and then... game over for the devs, unless they produce new cosmetics that keeps selling, and let's be honest how many speedos do you buy on Visor?. That would be no problem for a game like warframe that has way more players. They make a hat and sell it for 5 bucks to 100.000 players, that's enough money to feed the devs for a longer time. Quake makes a hat and sells it for 5 bucks to 1000 players, enough for a monthly payment for the dev team. If quake had loads of players, then yeah, lootboxes are a shitty move but idk, a f2p game like quake with such a low level player count. Does it even matter at this point?
I absolutely get that. But Quake Champions is kind of a hybrid in that regard. Up until a few days ago you actually had to pay a few bucks to get into the game anyway - and the "Free2play" model is not really very Free2play if you think about it. It's not just the Champions you can't use, also some of the game modes as well. Even with the recent changes on how to accumulate favor it's still quite a grind and inherently unbalanced for people that don't pay for the full package. And if you pay for the full package, you still have to deal with cosmetics/ingame currency. If I had a way to buy the stuff I want, I wouldn't be bothered by any of it. But gambling for them is just a pretty cheap tactic to get even more money out of people that *really* want something bad. I think it doesn't really compare to well thought through F2P models as implemented in games like Warframe for example.
I actually paid 30 euros for the full package mainly to support the devs and this my only concern with the game, the possibility for the studio to run out of funds. If Quake Champions was an EA published game it would have been canceled a long time ago. I don't know man, maybe I'm just naive and happy we have a new quake title that I'm prepared to overlook some of the business flaws.
I did the same (same reason as well) and I can understand and appreciate the notion. Arena shooters are barely able to hold their own in the market as it is, so every penny is a means to an end for us, agreed.
I haven’t played an Arena type shooter since the mid 2000’s when I stumbled upon Quake 3 at a Goodwill. It was like crack to me, and I want to try Champions, but I have a strong feeling I’m gonna suck due to me getting so used to these slower paced FPS games nowadays. Any tips from an old Q3 player jumping into this?
Just jump. The old reflexes will kick in rather quickly. I was surprised myself. Fine-tuning that takes a while, especially mouse speeds and all that kind of stuff, but all in all it's like riding a bike.
Got it for free a while ago. It's just Q3A, but with fancier graphics and an awful overwatch aftertaste. Played it for about an hour and then never came back. Q3A is much better and runs even on a toaster.
Well, it does take the "Hero" approach, but really this review isn't really relevant anymore. The Champion abilities have now been nerfed to a point where they are barely as relevant as they used to be. It does really feel like Quake, I was surprised myself.
As a fan of Quake/Doom/Unreal: You know you can praise what you like without shitting on other styles of games, right? Watch Shroud play PUBG and tell me it's a "camping simulator".
100% yes to both. I'm preparing some stuff and I will also stream in the future. Will have holidays coming up so I'll be travelling, but it's gonna happen.
You know why people don't like Arena Shooter? Because they can't get rid of speed. Like new generation are really niche and kinda soft. Back then, there's no logic behind these weapon. Only you, weapon and enemies. Quake for me was first game before DOOM 1994. I am ID fanboy but I respecting what modern gamer inspect
Hang on, did he claim that Arena Shooters are rare? Isn't that like the default mode of every first person shooter game ever made? That's like the first thing you make.
Depends on what qualifies as an "arena shooter" in your mind. Or rather in the mind of any marketing person out there since 2005. True Arena shooters are, in it's core, a sub-genre of first-person shooters - at least they are nowadays (and now mostly indie because the target demographic is too small for bigger publishers to care anymore).
@@HansLollo ... Fortnite? Apex? Overwatch? Aren't those super popular? You're in a tiny level with high APM combat and near instant respawn. Is there another aspect of "arena" I've missed? Very possible, as I don't play the genre (since Halo Reach anyway).
While I don't like this game, I really wish it took off. I guess that they really mismanaged quake champions, because it had some problems (especially the stats and abilities for me. But at least the loot boxes were cosmetic only, so that's ok by me) I mean, fuck. Epic canned Unreal Tournament in favour of ruining fortnite with that pvp bullshit gamemode. 6:23 I agree fully. The current gen of gamers couldn't finish Ninja Gaiden nor Duck Tales without using cheats (or paying for them.) Battle royale is literally just an arena lms, but the arena is bigger.
I know Quake francise since Quake 1 demo ;). In the past I played it a lot. I have been playing QC since summer 2018 and have mixed feelings. I like this game because it's still quake but sometimes it's annoying because of champions. They are uneven, had disadvantages and advantages. The most annoying champion is Scalebearer. I don't like loot boxes and microtransactions. I bought only champions pack because didn't want to grind to unlock them all playing only ranger or scalebearer because of boring. After unlock I play them very rarely. While I writing this comment the dev team made big changes in progression system and loot boxes.
I've lamented the disappearance of arena shooters. I've always known that Q3A was the best MP shooter ever, even better than UT (as everybody knows). So now I get this. I'm having fun that I haven't had in many, many years. I'm not sure if some of the changes are for better or worse. But then I realised I'm wondering if this game is slightly better or slightly worse than the best MP shooter ever. And I got it for free! What the fuck am I even complaining about!?
Eh UT99 and Quake 3 are tied. There's no consensus on which is better. Its kind of like trying to argue which child is your favorite at this point. You could make numerous cons and pros for both games and we'd be at it for hours. TL;DR: As a Unreal Fanboy that also adores Quake, don't use fighting words like those. We're friends here.
Looking at the comments here. You seemed to have left a lot out about the game. Read these comments after watching the video if you are thinking about buying the game.
Always great to see that you are still making Videos. Even more so if its about good Games. I like the game and agree with you on everything. The greatest downsides are the Lootboxes and Micro-transactions. But you cannot have a shooter in 2018 with out those right? Und jetzt rück das Rezept für den Rhabarberkuchen raus sonst gibbet ne Koppnuss.
tbh for me quake(3; and even ql) has always been some kind of benchmark on where do i stand, where is my position in the playerbase. in quake, everything that counted was your amount of skill, positioning, movement, mapknowledge, timing and aim. if you got rekt, you could only blame yourself and no one else. it was true and honest, although it sometimes was quite hard to get buried -1:27 on dm6 or ztn. qc obviously takes that away by creating inbalancies through the characters, which i strongly dislike. i gave it a try but soon dumped it. the fact with the loot boxes ( which didnt exist when i played ) makes it even worse. not only because of the loot boxes itself, but it draws ( as you pointed out ) a young and delusional playerbase into the game, that have no place in quake. no offense here, but i wonder how much your expertise goes in quake when you speak of the bfg10k and that it was way too op. sure that is right, but in competetive play the bfg10k wasnt used, which renders your whole statement obsolete. that was the only argument where i scratched my head, otherwise its a good video and the intro made me laugh so hard. i play quake live occasionally and i know how hard it is to get new players stick to the game. i think the problem is not the game itself, since you can get above a mediocre level with half a year of practice. the problem is todays players have no patience and expect to reach god level in 10 hrs of gameplay, which they learnt from every other "shooter" they played.
The game should cost money, so I bought it. Eliminating the issue with champions. Cosmetics don't bother me cause I don't buy them in any game. But I love playing, but they need maps bad
lol. Children these days just get so angry when they play games. is it a console thing? i don't remember getting all riled up when I lost. I work in a school and have a bash at halo or Q3A with the kids (aged 13-15), my god they SUCK! so much for being in your physical peak in your teens!! plus if you frag them 5 times in a row the rage just gets hilarious. my support technicians boy was 15 (before he quit), my tech said he had to kick his boy off the xbox as he would be shouting abuse at the top of his voice down the mic. lol...
he's not wrong about quake being boring. you ever wonder why this specific type of arena shooter keeps dying with every single new addition? because it's outdated and nobody cares about it. it's repeptitive and it's not going to be resurrected ever. the only reason it even had a life is because there was literally nothing else than this style of arena shooter in the fps genre. every single game trying to be like this will die after the launch hype has settled down and only those couple hundred dedicated players will remain every time i mean i do love this style of combat and movement, i wish there was a singleplayer/coop, open world, looter shooter made like this with bhopping and strafejumping and rocketjumping. I've spent countless hours surfing and rocketjumping in tf2 (which is based on the quake engine) but this pvp crap? this small arena pvp fragfest for the sake of fragging? nobody gives a shit and idk how it's not obvious that there is absolutely nothing with the design of the game, it's the gamemode that is fucking garbage
Audiences from the 90s are not comparable to today's anymore. Back then the markets were not as fractured as they are today, with developers focusing on bringing in many different kinds of people. A lot of those people might think they are core-gamers, but they are simply part of the mainstream. And Quake was never mainstream, given that it was a niche market even back in the day. It's no surprise the game doesn't do well. That is in no means any indication that it lacks in quality. I made an entire video about this very topic as well and as someone who has been working in the industry for 15 years now, I think I'm also qualified to make that statement.
:/ no Mod support + all the money grabbing = i stay with the classics Hell the new Doom looks like a *Point & Click Adventure* compared to Doom II Hell on Earth
Hated the game, the gunplay is amazing and great but it goes against rules of what makes a traditional arena shooter, i would've been fine perhaps with abilities only and no changes to speed, hp or etc.
You know if i wana play Quake i start the Quake 3 or Quake World. Not this thing. Why? Champions. Just why? I want a simple fast shooter. Not a overhyp type game. Also that what you say(loot boxs and the champions rent/buy thing) So yea. Yes its give back the feelings but after the good part the game is sit on your face and shit on your face.
Gotta admit I don't like the official playlists, but I do play with friends a lot. You can for example disable the abilities and play with the same characters and you're basically playing Quake3/Live (depending on which champ you go for). I do like it though for what it is. Some fun has been had for sure.
It literally doesn't matter how great the game is when most people can't even play it. It can take anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes to get into a match since launching the game - that is, if the game doesn't just kick you back into the menu. If you do get into the match? The game looks worse than Quake 1. It forced you to use low graphics. You want medium graphics? Sure, but only if you have >>16>>24
I have Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit, an AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, 16 Gigabytes of RAM, an RX 580 8GB Card and i can play it on ultra settings on 1080p with 70 FPS. Yeah the game really sucks ass but what you said about its performance isnt true even tho its still not very good because Doom Eternal runs with 80-120 FPS on my PC
Too bloated to me. When I want to play a working (spiritual) successor to q3a, I play Warsow. Super powers (albeitd removed in some gametypes) and all that shit on the hud just hurts my eyes. Also bro, please, disable that gun bobbling :s
@@alehnny I know about its fork :p it's too bad it's based on the worst Warsow versions, but hey, you're still free to code your own gametypes, so despite many critics I would have, it's still a win for me \o/ I honestly dunno about the other game, I'll probably check it out soon, thanks (:
@@alehnny and yeah, I've played xomotic and nexuiz for years, but loong time ago. I love the idea of a second fire like in UT, and the grappling hook mixed with that "jump boost" weapon - reaching 2k ups was so easy back then. But I dunno if it's still alive. Btw, since you seem to know quite some games... I remember that as a child I played to something that looked like q3a in gameplay, but it was more cadtoonish; it definitely was not Warsow cos it had a SP demo, and it included invisibility... I'm still looking for its name, you got any ideas? Looking inside my father's PC books is going to be such an asshle lol, and my brother has a shitty memory... It surely wasn't that game that had maps like reqbath, it was normal sized; just... More cadtoonish, though not as much as wsw
Absolutely disagree. In OW, you neither have the mobility, nor the skill-ceiling you're dealing with in QC. Also the abilities (primary, secondary and specific weapon loadouts per class) in OW take center stage, while they are much less reliable in QC. It's Quake alright - and there's no win button to be found. You're either good or you're not.
Not to sound like an elitist but overwatch is all about paper rock scissors and ability spam. Sure QC does have its problems and balance issues but active abilities alone doesn’t win you the game 100 percent all the way. Gun play, health and armor stack do. And believe me, health and armor is a huge deal in Quake since Doom 1
You seriously put controller requests as a bad thing and for babies? Not only was it selfish and very low, but it's full PC fanboyism at its worst. Can't you all get along? Seriously, stop it. If you don't like controllers, then don't mention them. I'm an expert with video game controllers, but I also played with a keyboard and mouse. What's wrong with open world games by the way? They're not bad, please don't put it along as a game for babies. I HATE microtransactions, why would you want them in? Anyway, Quake Champions seems nice, but it looks like a disappointment. It's just another multiplayer only arena shooter with no Quake 1 or 2 styled single player. Go download Quake Champions: Doom Edition instead. It allows for an actual single player, has no microtransactions at all, and features classic characters. Awesome mod, and great for both Doom and Quake fans.
Finally a good review by an old fan, who doesn't start blaming the game and shows that this game has alot of potential. New doesn't always mean bad.
As proven eloquently by id with the Doom reboot already imo. Can't wait for Doom Eternal :p
The game has a lot of potential, but is FAR from being finished. It seems to be slowly taking the good route though.
You seriously think raging out like a PC fanboy is a good review?
@@AlphaZeroX96 I guess sarcasm is not something that you're used to. It's ok, there will be a lot of other videos where you can be praised for being judgemental on the reviewer rather than the opinion pushed out by the reviewer, and the many points that he raises. :)
No no, my comment was a mistake.
>controller support
>on quake
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Some argue they aren't able to play comfortably from the couch if they don't use a controller. Truestory.jpg
Comfortably rekt*
Controllers are fine for games they're designed for, even some FPS games. For example Halo plays better/more natural on Xbox than on PC. But Quake is a pure PC shooter and I'd rather carve my eyes out than play any Quake game, especially multiplayer, with joysticks.
Yeah, some games like GTA or Saints Row I much prefer playing on the TV with joypad. But for FPS, they're the worst thing that ever happened, responsible for the slowing down, aiming down sights, slo-mo sequences and all that crap. When the FPS market shifted from PC to console, there was no place anymore for a game like Q3A with its rocket jump and railgun mayhem.
What's wrong with playing Quake using a controller? I'm great at Quake 3 with a controller.
Still waiting for a worthy continuation of Quake 1.
In their defense, those vibes are kind of hard to capture. I personally think Quake 1's ending was fucking shit but... idk
Arcane Dimensions is what you want.
Why? All it needs is more deathmatch maps maybe.
Yup, gimme my single player lovecraftian FPS !
it's coming... trust me.@@DarckArchon
Oldschool gaming will never die. Fragging is part of mankind's most inherent urges.
u have a confederate flag as a pfp....exactly the kind of people i imagine playing this game. middle aged, racist, overweight, poor
Holy shit, can't believe I haven't seen this yet. AWESOME intro!
I feel honored good sir, your stuff is amazing :D
Those babies crying at the start was worse than the ones from doom64
Before quake champions I'd never played an actual arena shooter, tried tribes ascend but that's not quite the same thing. I love QC, as a kid I was too poor to have a pc and by the time I'd gotten a pc, the world was ruled by COD. To me this is refreshing and vivifies all the nostalgia I had looking through my step fathers magazines from the late 90s. Quake is oddly a part of my childhood I never had, the missing piece between the Spawn comics and the heavy industrial metal. This probably isn't the comment you're asking for lol but I do love QC enough I bought the champions pack just to show support for the genre.
It's exactly the kind of comment I'm looking for. Even though I was able to live that stuff (I turned 38 just a few days ago), it's a part of my childhood and youth. Comparable for me to your situation would be stuff I couldn't afford but can now - so from time to time I indulge. The COD problem is something I really should do another video on, but gotta do some disclaimers first because I'm working in the gaming industry and I can't really say all the stuff I want to say without making things awkward for myself.
Nice comment - getting epic "the missing piece between the Spawn comics and the heavy industrial metal"
First, I have to say Thank you for this two videos "If quake was done today" and this one. On the first video you already got my subscribe!!
And hell yeah I'm now 36 and it was also during my childhood - thanks to my parents that they never said what I have to play or not :-D
Do you know Slope? He was one of the worlds best gamer at Quake 1, which I've played like a junk. Know that map and location, where you could remove the floor via a switch at an u turn style hallway? His jump around that corner was groundbraking, and at some point I got it managed - what was the name of that Map, where you could jump around an edge :-D No one knows or getted managed from my friends... how often they folowed me, and fall into the lava.
I'm so nostalgic right now.
Do you have QuakeLive HansLollo? I'm searching for good quake players. I've also a clan and a root server for the most wanted games for me and my freinds ;-)
if interested, give me a short pm!
PS: HansLollo - that name sounds so german, aren't you?
You should have just gotten the Doom Edition, in my opinion.
My experience was a little different. I’m also 38 but I grew up playing PC games only. Never owned a console of any kind. But I didn’t have a decent internet connection. I was on dial up until 2003, so multiplayer wasn’t really an option. The bots on Unreal Tournament and Quake III Arena were a godsend for me. I’ve thought of trying Quake Champions as well as Doom 2016. Couldn’t bring myself to do it because I know the gaming community is crap these days.
All the comments about "back then" reminded me on that one time the mains breaker went bang while I was absolutely concentrated and immersed into the fast paced gameplay of UT. I have been playing loudly on big boxes and it was dark outside. And then all of a sudden I was robbed of of all of my senses. It was dark and I couldn't remember where I was, what I was doing or in wich state I was (like sleeping or being awake?) like I've been created into life that very instant. It must be like that being hit by a flash bang. It took like 20 seconds for me to find out what happened, what I was doing, and even wether I was a boy or a girl or a bodyless entity floating in limbo. In reverse order. I did that by deduction actually, point after point, while sitting in my dark room. That was very weird :D .
The chain of thought was basically like that:
Darkness -> where am I -> WHAT am I -> I should see something...I think...do I even have the ability to see? ...I think so -> why is it all black then? -> are my eyes closed, am I sleeping or awake? -> my eyes are open and I think that I'm a fleshy being, not some bodless thing, still it's just dark, what's wrong? -> reasons for darkness: I'm still asleep or the light is out -> I'm not sleeping, my eyes are open, is this some kind of sleep paralysis? -> no, I can touch myself and move my arms, I'm definately awake and have my eyes open -> light must be out -> so I WAS sleeping and woke up -> not really, I'm not in bed, actually I'm -> feels around -> sitting on a chair? that's no normal situation. what lead to that? no wait, first: WHERE actually am I? -> feels around some more -> ooh, that's a keyboard...and a desk...and a computer, I think it's my room -> why am I sitting in my room in front of the computer while everything is dark and silent? -> maybe make the darkness go away to find that out, it's also creepy...light switch, yes oh glorious light switch! everything will be normal in a second -> stands up, stumbles through room -> switch *nothing happens* -> WHAAAAT?! maybe I'm dreaming after all and this is a nightmare...think, how did I get here, it must have something to do with the computer because I was sitting there -> oooh, I was playing UT, but what the hell happened? -> hmm, light not working, computer not working...everything is indeed fine and real (not unreal hoho!) and the perfect explanation for everything is: the breaker must have popped! tadaa!
Now that was an experience...
I particularly dislike many newer games for their weighty movement controls and overabundance of motion blur, emphasis of "filmic" experience. This just makes them feel unresponsive and clunky for me. Even if i run this crap on a $2500 PC at 144 frames per second. Meanwhile older arena shooters have zero weight on the movement controls. So does World of Warcraft as well. These games are 100% responsive and forget about any semblence of unnecesary realism.
Thanks, finally someone with a proper perspective. That is exactly my problem with most modern games ... Everything (especially movement) feels clunky, somewhat unresponsive and the screen is cluttered with useless shit while you have no way to run more basic settings ... (all those points also apply to QC from my perspective)
Mods and command lines have effectively been removed in almost every game ... instead we get dumbed-down console-like menues and server-browsers are removed.
Dirty Bomb is pretty much the only game left for me that has somehwat fast-paced Shooter a high skill ceiling and good steady flow of gameplay (though servers are shit currently and there is much wasted potential by the devs).
Modern gamers apparently don't recognize and appreciate this stuff (good mechanics, great weapon balance) anymore ... They just want knive to trade, one-button-kills and some obnoxious twitch/YT moron playing "their" game. Games like Q3 or UT would be dead within weeks today ...
Totally agree to both of your oppinion! Remember of the time where Counterstrike was a MOD for HalfLife. Not like today, when you buy a game and after some time there are coming some dlcs to make more and more money out of a game. Remember for example Payday 2, I wont think of how much money I've spent!
Xul i would sound a bit old and dusty, but this is the vector. somebody asks controller? not bad. new guyz and ladies do not even type - they dict. which is something i totally understand, writing this comment on ipad - with a patience, as it is a bit.. too slow and not really responsive, if u know what i mean ;)
I was wondering why is Quake Champions so unpopular. Turned out, it's a genuinely good game and I'm having a blast with it (even though I preferred UT and I was never too good with arena shooters). They even managed to make lootboxes not cancerous (I don't care about cosmetics).
ut99> q3a
ut4
I mean it's a question of personal taste. I played both UT99 and Q3A extensively, but always ended up falling back to Quake3. Probably because I also played Leagues back then.
I prefer Quake 2 on multi than Quake 3 Arena to be honest. Quake 2 was darker and had game mechanics closer to Unreal Tournament 1999, while Quake 3 Arena had too "eye-candy" colourful graphics and different game mechanics. I don't play Quake Champions & new Unreal Tournament 4 because i fucking hate microtransactions, even if they are "cosmetic only".
Agreed. A point I'm trying to make as well of course.
"I played both UT99 and Q3A extensively, but always ended up falling back to Quake3." Same. UT was better in many regards, doing all sorts of fancy stuff with low gravity, that compression chamber, and whatnot. More weapons, secondary fire, different armour and shield types, more game types (assault etc). I also preferred UT for CTF.
Q3A had a different approach, it tried to keep it simple and focus on the core. There's less quantity in how you can shoot, but more than UT it completely nailed its weapons. UT had the ASMD with two different fire modes you could combo, it had that rocket launcher that you could charge with several rockets or grenades, and it had less interesting weapons like that bio blob whatever gun and that shuriken throwing thing. Q3A had a rocket launcher that nailed rocket launching and was great for rocket jumps. It had a railgun that nailed what a railgun is about, it had a plasma gun that was a plasma gun, end of story. There was no different armour/shield nonsense, you just had three big numbers for health, armour, and ammo. There's beauty in this minimalism, and Q3A really made it work.
Likewise, in term of game modes, Q3A focussed on deathmatch. As I said, there was much other stuff UT was better at, but for no-nonsense deathmatch, Q3A was king.
Thanks for featuring me in the video (OrcusDei), just to clarify, that post was ironical, but I am still flattered :D Have a good day.
I get it, no worries. Keep in mind I'm mostly doing a "bit" in these videos anyways ;)
Oh hey Orcus, I saw you on steam discussions a lot
>what you think about qc
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I WANT MY ORBB
Yeah me too...
SQEAL!
Best part about Orb in Quake 3 was when he fell into an abyss.
Me too.
#WhereisOrbb.
Quake live is my favourite, but this is still fun
welcome to quake live
Dude i love your first movie hahahaha
Games such as fortnite and Pubg, you cower in corners, however in arena shooters, you go in raw. No rubber.
Camping Simulator really. Seems to me as if winning a round depends more on luck than anything else really. There was a time when I said that about Counterstrike, but Pubg made me appreciate CS ^^
Best fucking use of innuendo ever.
@@HansLollo
Luck in PUBG is a factor yes, but not as big as you might think. You can have all the RNG in the world and you will still be shit in that game if you are lacking skill / knowledge. After all, Quake has some RNG as well like respawn positions after fragging someone. It might result in a snowball effect and giving you a win in the end.
Let me have my power fantasy! My mommy won't let me play Quake any more because last time i threw the hamster out of the window and strangled the snake in front of my little baby brother.
Just stop.
Edgy
The first time i played Quake was a flash version in a website, even if i wasn't really good i found the game really fun, i was 8 when i played quake for the first time, now even today i have quake with both map packs included, also i want to try QC now, nice video!
QC just got a major patch yesterday, so most of the info in this video are out of date regarding lootboxes etc. (They have been removed). Far as I can see it's a lot better now when it comes to that.
@@HansLollo Thanks for the info.
There's a flash version of Quake?!
@@ikagura
Yes
www.freewebarcade.com/game/quake-flash/
This is the link, its a shareware version.
hah! That's quite funny to see that on a Browser.
Is there the same for Doom and Wolf3D as well? I remember playing a wolf3D bootleg on the browser as well
0:06 WTF are you who have written this fucking nonsense? OMG XD
And what's wrong about lootboxes? It's just a modern trend. It don't gives you any advantages in the game and also you can obtain absolutely any item without spending a single penny.
Another weird thing in this video: It seems that the author lives in Germany. That's strange to complain about price of in-game items, considering very high German salaries :)
Latest thing: QC is a really cool game right now! Optimization is awesome (130-140 fps in DM with i3 + gtx950). Balance is finally absolutely fine. I'm still playing and enjoying it. And I really hope that this game finally will get some advertisement, because it didn't have it before.
I am a salty little chicken who refuses the remote possibility of somebody out there who can actually wreck me without cheating
Knowing yourself is part of the journey!
Fuuuck... I think this will be the first FPS that I install since Quake III. O_O This looks GOOD.
It's pretty cool yea
Still playing it. Still awesome :)
I've played the game ONCE yesterday for the first time. I have also played quake 3 arena and I will just say this, quake champions far surpassed my expectations. It started when I watched the original quake professionals play the game, am I interest started to grow off of galena's totem placing. I also feel super at home having strafe jumping back.
I remembered seeing something about quake champions a few years ago. It was some kind of advertisement, probably from GameSpot or IGN, and it mentioned that it was bringing back straight jumping. At the end I saw Bethesda tagged onto the credits and immediately I was devastated. I thought it was going to be terrible so I never kept up with the updates and news. So here I am now regretting the fact that I shunned it XD.
This is a great game, I plan on playing this a lot in the future.
Good video but there are some things I would add to this "review"
1: The netcode and performance of the game is terrible and it hasn't been fixed for over a year.
2: In QC the devs were able to unify movement from all Quake Releases in QC with the help of passive abilities (Anarki & Sorlag - Q1, Athena - Q2, Slash - Q2 etc.) I think giving old school players the ability to play QC like any previous Quake was worth mentioning.
3: NA servers have awful waiting times in competitive gamemodes.
Other than that I liked this video!
wait how has doom deathmatch never been arena style, doom 2 deathmatches are always arenas full of weapons and resources like quake
habe damals Quake 3 Arena gesuchtet!!! Mutter aller Ego-Shooter.....neben UT ^^
Best soundtrack = screaming + sick guitar
I love function that you can use weapons skins from other Quake titles
Honestly, as a Quake fan, I think that III Arena and Live are much more welcoming to newcomers than Champions.
I've never played Quake Champions but am a big Q3/UT fan from back in the day, and QC does seem a lot more complicated, with all the champions and abilities you have to learn, different movement for different characters, all the weapon skins and just general clutter. The game seems cluttered to me.
Whereas Q3 (and to a very lesser extent, UT) is very simple - the character you choose basically doesn't matter at all, and all you need to learn are the 9 weapons and the map layouts and you're good to go.
So I can understand why younger people who are used to fortnite, might be put off by QC - joining a server and seeing a bunch of guys bouncing and hopping around the map, very difficult to hit, and then dying out of nowhere; only to respawn and do the same thing over and over.
I can see why they'd rather go back to these battle royale style games, where you have a big open map and just have to aim a hitscan weapon at a dancing opponent and whichever one happens to score the most hits (or who happened to find the better armour/weapon) wins.
For me I am more used to arena MP shooters (been playing them since q3 in 1999) and I hated the battle royale style games my friends all got into. It ended up being, you drop into some big wide open map, spend 5 minutes scrounging around trying to find weapons, only to die in 2 seconds out of nowhere from someone you didn't see - or either that or I find an enemy in close quarters, I hit in 7 or 8 times, he turns around and hits me 3 times and I die, because he happened to find a purple gun and armour and mine was green.
You fragged Pidorasi. Good job.
I'm sure I'm missing something... ^^
Who is Pidorasi
0:53
@@HansLollo It means something close to "faggots" in Russian.
Well, Quake 3 Arena with, very important for me, self-hosting, mods and whatnot still exists and still works great. Its even FOSS now, so no problem getting it to work on anything powerful enough.
Found this today while searching for the original! I play QC to this day, got called a cheater three times *today* (and I identify myself as a noob, perhaps a veteran noob), the game exited EA (with no fixes since 2018) on 2022-08-18 and we all still hate how they mishandled the outsourcing of game's development, rushed the launch by 2 years and pushed the gambling lootboxes (I believe I am the world #1 collector, I have 2250 unopened lootboxes currently).
By now we moved away from 3 in-game currencies and having to gamble everything to get an item, in favor of Fortnite style season passes and a normal store with cosmetics (which would be fine if they were all there, and not cycle every few months, and also, if you could just buy stuff from champion customization menu, instead of having to browse the stupid store UI... but the game never had someone with UX credentials look at it, one of the reasons it failed). It's really a decent game nowadays, such a shame they botched the launch this badly (I'd say even worse than QL's!) so not many people stuck around to see what it became.
(I played Quake re-release today as well, the KEX engine is still crap and not only plays at 200 FPS on a 3080, but soft-locks you by not moving platforms/elevators sometimes, may I recommend FTEQW for playing the new episode, which itself is freakin' awesome! Oh and they included some other community SP map packs/episodes right in the game menu, which is absolutely amazing, not everyone is us, quaddicted readers, everyone else had no idea these existed!)
love the game but hate this always on-line and lootbox bullshit; they could find another way to earn money. I've bought a champions pack but would gladly spend several coins to buy some bling, audiopacks (like in Palladins), and what not.
The gameplay is gold here but wrapped in the layers of stinking shite straight from the marketing department. oh boy them suits are clueless.
Clicked into a stream where someone had spent at least 20 minutes just clicking open on his lootboxes. Riveting fucking gameplay there.
I do not know, it looks to have slightly better textures and effects than Q3A, but that is about it...
Reflex Arena can still be purchased on Steam, tho.
i think quake is one of those rare games where u can guess first hand a veteran and a cheater.
against a cheater
cheater just walks around killing things.
against a veteran.
when i do respawn? or Where TF did he came from?
6:46 YOU FRAGGED Pidorasi
After 90 hours of playing I still suck, but that's okay, this game is still satisfying asf.
Also even tho I can't win in regular deathmatches I learned to be at least useful in team deathmatches.
HEY, Camping is a Legit strategy! Jumping around like a Bunny non-stop isn't the _only_ strategy.
Eh. I expected this video to be fun like the other one.
I enjoyed my time with Quake Champions but my computer isn't good enough to handle it, and I did enjoy that all characters had stats now it's just that... I didn't see any _point_ to a HD Remake of *Quake 3 Arena* since that's basically what it is if we get down to the nitty gritty, and unlike you, I find the removal of the BFG to be a bad thing, since this just ensures the Rocket Launcher is the top tier weapon to use - aside from personal preference. At least back in the day, even a less skilled player could potentially win a match by getting the BFG and killing all the rocket-jumpers which gave that player a sense of " _I did good!_ " and kept them playing and thus learned more.
Also, I do love my Open World games, but I think you were making jabs against the... I forgot what the genre was called but games like pubq and fn. Which really is just the latest thing to nag about, back in my days, it was Call of Duty we nagged about.
Good video overall, but I find the title somewhat misleading.
It's more of a review of Quake Champions after all.
- and I fully agree about the lootbox crap.
I was very hesitant to QC when it was announced but somewhere I warmed up to it and now I play it at least once a week. Rather play it than Q3 or Live.
I discovered this video a bit late. Seems this vid was published not long after I got into it. Hope you're still playing the game, and if you are, I hope to see you in the arena in the near future 🙂
Playing from time to time, but not as much as I used to.
What would be in a part 3?
And Quake is now on Crossplay!!
Too bad for console players then, I guess.
The eternal beta.
So, how do you think I'd fare, coming from Quake 1's single-player, and TF2?
Pretty damn well I'd say.
Better than most, but you'll be fucked by the vets.
TF2 is a slower game by far, with a generally more modern feel. I mean, it's still Source, so some of that old magic is there, but make no mistake, it's not the same game. It certainly isn't Walker and Cook's original from... what, 96? There's a lower skill ceiling here, on the gunplay end of things.
Quake 1, but contrast, is much much closer to what you're getting. However, SP doesn't really prepare you: you won't have learned how to bhop, f'rinstance.
Your primary advantage is basic skills: You know how to aim and shoot, you've worked with the LG, GL, RL, SSG, et al, and you know your way around things like Rocket Jumps.
Your greatest weakness will be adjusting to an engine, physics, and loadout that are *just different enough* to trip you up. You'll feel like you're too fast or too slow, have too much momentum, and GL or RL shots may end up misaimed or mistimed. And the LG got a big nerf, too...
@@THB192 Yeah, I've experienced that, pretty much. When I went back to TF2, I was shocked with how slow I felt. And I gained a much greater appreciation for the front line. I can remember one instance, where I was headshot twice in a row, from different angles, instantly killing me, all within half a second of re spawning.
If I have ONE major complaint, it's that the hard-mode bots need to stop acting like they have LMAOBox. And it was an awkward surprise, accidentally killing myself with the nailgun.
And I've only be interested in playing it casually, and I've had some fun with it, despite how...sterile it can feel. In one way, it feels like all the comp TF2 fans got their wish, for it without any RNG. And I'll admit... it feels both daunting... and a little draining, getting repeatedly stomped by a pro.
@@nooneinparticular5256 I mean, that's what those games were, yeah. I'm a dedicated Q3A/QW player, and I will never win against the hardcore.
Hell, TFC and QWTF were just as bad.
4:35 Not that I like battle royale in anyway whatsoever but isn't it ironic that he refers to hiding in the bushes as a "power fantasy" but not bunny hopping super fast in Quake?
this game still loads like shit on my computer two years later after this review.
5 years later and it's practically dead lmfao
well it's a free2play game, lootboxes are standard. They're just cosmetics, not game altering powerups and they're not even that hard to get, plus there is a weekly set sale when you can get that cosmetic set. The only problem with quake is that it's too hardcore for the average fortnite/overwatch player.
I disagree with the "Just cosmetics" argument - and because I completely share Jim Sterling's view on this, here's him making some good points: ua-cam.com/video/Ce5CDrq4dGg/v-deo.html
I know Jim, I agree with him but his problem is with paid games having cosmetic lootboxes. Quake is just barely staying afloat it would be dead if it didn't make any money. If everything had a price tag people would just buy that and be done with it and the game would get a rapid influx of money and then... game over for the devs, unless they produce new cosmetics that keeps selling, and let's be honest how many speedos do you buy on Visor?. That would be no problem for a game like warframe that has way more players. They make a hat and sell it for 5 bucks to 100.000 players, that's enough money to feed the devs for a longer time. Quake makes a hat and sells it for 5 bucks to 1000 players, enough for a monthly payment for the dev team. If quake had loads of players, then yeah, lootboxes are a shitty move but idk, a f2p game like quake with such a low level player count. Does it even matter at this point?
I absolutely get that. But Quake Champions is kind of a hybrid in that regard. Up until a few days ago you actually had to pay a few bucks to get into the game anyway - and the "Free2play" model is not really very Free2play if you think about it. It's not just the Champions you can't use, also some of the game modes as well. Even with the recent changes on how to accumulate favor it's still quite a grind and inherently unbalanced for people that don't pay for the full package. And if you pay for the full package, you still have to deal with cosmetics/ingame currency. If I had a way to buy the stuff I want, I wouldn't be bothered by any of it. But gambling for them is just a pretty cheap tactic to get even more money out of people that *really* want something bad. I think it doesn't really compare to well thought through F2P models as implemented in games like Warframe for example.
I actually paid 30 euros for the full package mainly to support the devs and this my only concern with the game, the possibility for the studio to run out of funds. If Quake Champions was an EA published game it would have been canceled a long time ago. I don't know man, maybe I'm just naive and happy we have a new quake title that I'm prepared to overlook some of the business flaws.
I did the same (same reason as well) and I can understand and appreciate the notion. Arena shooters are barely able to hold their own in the market as it is, so every penny is a means to an end for us, agreed.
I'm shit at this game and I still love it. I'd probably be playing UT2004 if its multiplayer servers weren't so barren, so QC is a nice alternative.
worth my sub, also I got quake champions for free on steam
If I wouldn't be recuperating from a bad case of food poisoning, I'd be fragging right now :(
YES MAN
i think it has been the best arena shooter since quake 3 arena, its my favorite game from 2017, besides the evil within 2, and prey 2017
I haven’t played an Arena type shooter since the mid 2000’s when I stumbled upon Quake 3 at a Goodwill. It was like crack to me, and I want to try Champions, but I have a strong feeling I’m gonna suck due to me getting so used to these slower paced FPS games nowadays.
Any tips from an old Q3 player jumping into this?
Just jump. The old reflexes will kick in rather quickly. I was surprised myself. Fine-tuning that takes a while, especially mouse speeds and all that kind of stuff, but all in all it's like riding a bike.
HansLollo thanks! Gonna try it later on today! Wish me luck!
Got it for free a while ago. It's just Q3A, but with fancier graphics and an awful overwatch aftertaste. Played it for about an hour and then never came back. Q3A is much better and runs even on a toaster.
QC looks like it tries to copy Overwatch because it's trendy...
How shameful considering that OW was compared with TF2 (which exists thanks to Quake)
Well, it does take the "Hero" approach, but really this review isn't really relevant anymore. The Champion abilities have now been nerfed to a point where they are barely as relevant as they used to be. It does really feel like Quake, I was surprised myself.
Good to know then, hope that Id Soft and Bethesda knows what to do with the game.
Also a 5th solo game would be very welcomed
4:35 lmao
Yea ok cool but did they add controller support tho my 12 year old son wants to try this new fortnite mod
Good video. Shame that it, along with the game, never really got noticed by the mainstream.
As a fan of Quake/Doom/Unreal: You know you can praise what you like without shitting on other styles of games, right? Watch Shroud play PUBG and tell me it's a "camping simulator".
I have 7FPS in this game...
Can we expect some frag movies on this channel ? Do you plan to stream while playing ?
100% yes to both. I'm preparing some stuff and I will also stream in the future. Will have holidays coming up so I'll be travelling, but it's gonna happen.
You know why people don't like Arena Shooter? Because they can't get rid of speed. Like new generation are really niche and kinda soft. Back then, there's no logic behind these weapon. Only you, weapon and enemies. Quake for me was first game before DOOM 1994. I am ID fanboy but I respecting what modern gamer inspect
I like the game pretty much as I liked q3 back in the day
Hang on, did he claim that Arena Shooters are rare? Isn't that like the default mode of every first person shooter game ever made? That's like the first thing you make.
Depends on what qualifies as an "arena shooter" in your mind. Or rather in the mind of any marketing person out there since 2005. True Arena shooters are, in it's core, a sub-genre of first-person shooters - at least they are nowadays (and now mostly indie because the target demographic is too small for bigger publishers to care anymore).
@@HansLollo ... Fortnite? Apex? Overwatch? Aren't those super popular? You're in a tiny level with high APM combat and near instant respawn. Is there another aspect of "arena" I've missed? Very possible, as I don't play the genre (since Halo Reach anyway).
While I don't like this game, I really wish it took off. I guess that they really mismanaged quake champions, because it had some problems (especially the stats and abilities for me. But at least the loot boxes were cosmetic only, so that's ok by me)
I mean, fuck. Epic canned Unreal Tournament in favour of ruining fortnite with that pvp bullshit gamemode.
6:23 I agree fully. The current gen of gamers couldn't finish Ninja Gaiden nor Duck Tales without using cheats (or paying for them.)
Battle royale is literally just an arena lms, but the arena is bigger.
I know Quake francise since Quake 1 demo ;). In the past I played it a lot. I have been playing QC since summer 2018 and have mixed feelings. I like this game because it's still quake but sometimes it's annoying because of champions. They are uneven, had disadvantages and advantages. The most annoying champion is Scalebearer. I don't like loot boxes and microtransactions. I bought only champions pack because didn't want to grind to unlock them all playing only ranger or scalebearer because of boring. After unlock I play them very rarely. While I writing this comment the dev team made big changes in progression system and loot boxes.
I've lamented the disappearance of arena shooters. I've always known that Q3A was the best MP shooter ever, even better than UT (as everybody knows).
So now I get this. I'm having fun that I haven't had in many, many years. I'm not sure if some of the changes are for better or worse. But then I realised I'm wondering if this game is slightly better or slightly worse than the best MP shooter ever. And I got it for free! What the fuck am I even complaining about!?
Eh UT99 and Quake 3 are tied. There's no consensus on which is better. Its kind of like trying to argue which child is your favorite at this point. You could make numerous cons and pros for both games and we'd be at it for hours.
TL;DR: As a Unreal Fanboy that also adores Quake, don't use fighting words like those. We're friends here.
Love it.
Its videos like this that make me wish for a new Quake to be made, a la DOOM 2016.
Please no. They're just gonna make it clunky and "realistic" and slow, i.e. nothing like Quake.
Looking at the comments here. You seemed to have left a lot out about the game. Read these comments after watching the video if you are thinking about buying the game.
The game changed a lot since I made this video. Also the game is free to play, you don't have to buy it.
Always great to see that you are still making Videos. Even more so if its about good Games. I like the game and agree with you on everything. The greatest downsides are the Lootboxes and Micro-transactions. But you cannot have a shooter in 2018 with out those right? Und jetzt rück das Rezept für den Rhabarberkuchen raus sonst gibbet ne Koppnuss.
Weißte wie weh dat tut mit deinem verfickten Helm da?
u are so obv
tbh for me quake(3; and even ql) has always been some kind of benchmark on where do i stand, where is my position in the playerbase. in quake, everything that counted was your amount of skill, positioning, movement, mapknowledge, timing and aim. if you got rekt, you could only blame yourself and no one else. it was true and honest, although it sometimes was quite hard to get buried -1:27 on dm6 or ztn. qc obviously takes that away by creating inbalancies through the characters, which i strongly dislike. i gave it a try but soon dumped it. the fact with the loot boxes ( which didnt exist when i played ) makes it even worse. not only because of the loot boxes itself, but it draws ( as you pointed out ) a young and delusional playerbase into the game, that have no place in quake.
no offense here, but i wonder how much your expertise goes in quake when you speak of the bfg10k and that it was way too op. sure that is right, but in competetive play the bfg10k wasnt used, which renders your whole statement obsolete. that was the only argument where i scratched my head, otherwise its a good video and the intro made me laugh so hard.
i play quake live occasionally and i know how hard it is to get new players stick to the game. i think the problem is not the game itself, since you can get above a mediocre level with half a year of practice. the problem is todays players have no patience and expect to reach god level in 10 hrs of gameplay, which they learnt from every other "shooter" they played.
Shame, unlike its predecessors, it doesn't support Linux and Mac. id, what happened to you? _Oh wait, Bethesda_ ...
The game should cost money, so I bought it. Eliminating the issue with champions. Cosmetics don't bother me cause I don't buy them in any game. But I love playing, but they need maps bad
That fov tho
Yeay😊
QC is based around looks, rather than gameplay. Last arena shooter from id is QL.
lol. Children these days just get so angry when they play games. is it a console thing? i don't remember getting all riled up when I lost. I work in a school and have a bash at halo or Q3A with the kids (aged 13-15), my god they SUCK! so much for being in your physical peak in your teens!!
plus if you frag them 5 times in a row the rage just gets hilarious.
my support technicians boy was 15 (before he quit), my tech said he had to kick his boy off the xbox as he would be shouting abuse at the top of his voice down the mic. lol...
im a kid and i play quake lol
edit:im horrible i suck
he's not wrong about quake being boring. you ever wonder why this specific type of arena shooter keeps dying with every single new addition? because it's outdated and nobody cares about it. it's repeptitive and it's not going to be resurrected ever. the only reason it even had a life is because there was literally nothing else than this style of arena shooter in the fps genre. every single game trying to be like this will die after the launch hype has settled down and only those couple hundred dedicated players will remain every time
i mean i do love this style of combat and movement, i wish there was a singleplayer/coop, open world, looter shooter made like this with bhopping and strafejumping and rocketjumping. I've spent countless hours surfing and rocketjumping in tf2 (which is based on the quake engine) but this pvp crap? this small arena pvp fragfest for the sake of fragging? nobody gives a shit and idk how it's not obvious that there is absolutely nothing with the design of the game, it's the gamemode that is fucking garbage
Audiences from the 90s are not comparable to today's anymore. Back then the markets were not as fractured as they are today, with developers focusing on bringing in many different kinds of people. A lot of those people might think they are core-gamers, but they are simply part of the mainstream. And Quake was never mainstream, given that it was a niche market even back in the day. It's no surprise the game doesn't do well. That is in no means any indication that it lacks in quality. I made an entire video about this very topic as well and as someone who has been working in the industry for 15 years now, I think I'm also qualified to make that statement.
Quake Champions is complete horseshit. Diabotical is last hope for AFPS.
Diabotical is dead =(
Same with "reflex"
I thing the only AFPS that got some online is QC
try it again, I'm sure it is not a complete horseshit =)
:/ no Mod support + all the money grabbing = i stay with the classics
Hell the new Doom looks like a *Point & Click Adventure* compared to Doom II Hell on Earth
I thought it sucked big time, as did Quake 3 Arena. We need a follow up to the original Quake with the gothic castles and Lovecraftian monsters.
Hated the game, the gunplay is amazing and great but it goes against rules of what makes a traditional arena shooter, i would've been fine perhaps with abilities only and no changes to speed, hp or etc.
Can you lg above 30% on that fov?
Today kids killd evry game
Its a dead game now. Couldnt even last as long as other quakes. Fat RIP. If I want my Quake Fix now, i have to go play Hellreaver on Roblox.
Insta-sub!
You know if i wana play Quake i start the Quake 3 or Quake World. Not this thing. Why? Champions. Just why? I want a simple fast shooter. Not a overhyp type game. Also that what you say(loot boxs and the champions rent/buy thing) So yea. Yes its give back the feelings but after the good part the game is sit on your face and shit on your face.
Gotta admit I don't like the official playlists, but I do play with friends a lot. You can for example disable the abilities and play with the same characters and you're basically playing Quake3/Live (depending on which champ you go for). I do like it though for what it is. Some fun has been had for sure.
@@HansLollo Yes just have a look at pure brutality of QuakeWorld ua-cam.com/video/-RaKhtjx1aQ/v-deo.html
Definitely a Quake made by the new id software (not the Carmack squad) not a id tech engine..
Quake 3 still the best
It literally doesn't matter how great the game is when most people can't even play it.
It can take anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes to get into a match since launching the game - that is, if the game doesn't just kick you back into the menu.
If you do get into the match? The game looks worse than Quake 1. It forced you to use low graphics. You want medium graphics? Sure, but only if you have >>16>>24
I have Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit, an AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, 16 Gigabytes of RAM, an RX 580 8GB Card and i can play it on ultra settings on 1080p with 70 FPS. Yeah the game really sucks ass but what you said about its performance isnt true even tho its still not very good because Doom Eternal runs with 80-120 FPS on my PC
Too bloated to me. When I want to play a working (spiritual) successor to q3a, I play Warsow. Super powers (albeitd removed in some gametypes) and all that shit on the hud just hurts my eyes. Also bro, please, disable that gun bobbling :s
What about Diabotical or Xonotic? (Btw Warsow is on Steam by the name of Warfork)
@@alehnny I know about its fork :p it's too bad it's based on the worst Warsow versions, but hey, you're still free to code your own gametypes, so despite many critics I would have, it's still a win for me \o/
I honestly dunno about the other game, I'll probably check it out soon, thanks (:
@@alehnny arena FPS from Epic Games... Sounds like UT, other than interesting
@@alehnny and yeah, I've played xomotic and nexuiz for years, but loong time ago.
I love the idea of a second fire like in UT, and the grappling hook mixed with that "jump boost" weapon - reaching 2k ups was so easy back then. But I dunno if it's still alive.
Btw, since you seem to know quite some games... I remember that as a child I played to something that looked like q3a in gameplay, but it was more cadtoonish; it definitely was not Warsow cos it had a SP demo, and it included invisibility... I'm still looking for its name, you got any ideas? Looking inside my father's PC books is going to be such an asshle lol, and my brother has a shitty memory... It surely wasn't that game that had maps like reqbath, it was normal sized; just... More cadtoonish, though not as much as wsw
@@Speed4Runs Maybe Tribes? Otherwise I have no idea
quake champions sucks and is nowhere near as good as q3a was!
Like I said. Give me an alternative that isn't a COD or Fortnite Clone nowadays and I'll take it.
@@HansLollo why alternative? why not just play quake 3?
Remove the "If", it is no longer a matter of "if".
To be honest, it is overwatch lmao
Absolutely disagree. In OW, you neither have the mobility, nor the skill-ceiling you're dealing with in QC. Also the abilities (primary, secondary and specific weapon loadouts per class) in OW take center stage, while they are much less reliable in QC. It's Quake alright - and there's no win button to be found. You're either good or you're not.
Also, OW has a community with zero tolerance for mains and competitive mindsets.
Not to sound like an elitist but overwatch is all about paper rock scissors and ability spam. Sure QC does have its problems and balance issues but active abilities alone doesn’t win you the game 100 percent all the way. Gun play, health and armor stack do. And believe me, health and armor is a huge deal in Quake since Doom 1
People who call Quake Champions OW probably haven't seen how shit OW is yet)
You seriously put controller requests as a bad thing and for babies? Not only was it selfish and very low, but it's full PC fanboyism at its worst. Can't you all get along? Seriously, stop it. If you don't like controllers, then don't mention them. I'm an expert with video game controllers, but I also played with a keyboard and mouse. What's wrong with open world games by the way? They're not bad, please don't put it along as a game for babies. I HATE microtransactions, why would you want them in?
Anyway, Quake Champions seems nice, but it looks like a disappointment. It's just another multiplayer only arena shooter with no Quake 1 or 2 styled single player. Go download Quake Champions: Doom Edition instead. It allows for an actual single player, has no microtransactions at all, and features classic characters. Awesome mod, and great for both Doom and Quake fans.
If you wanna know why I made the point with the controllers, check my latest video.
The cheaters one?
@@AlphaZeroX96 That's an upcoming stream, apologies for the confusion :) I meant this one: ua-cam.com/video/NDTSwlL2y7w/v-deo.html
Oh, thanks.
I watched it, but I wonder. What does it have to do with controller compatiblity for Quake Champions? Was it the way those reviews were made?