I forgot about looking into some deleted scenes, but this one in particular reveals Pycelle as being a much more complex character and they dropped it. ua-cam.com/video/Zb-RVIETRCE/v-deo.html Some other points so far that I've seen are: Jaime's character Arc It snowing at Kingslanding at the end of S7 Dany being able to have kids The Horn Sam Finds at the fist of the first men The Iron Bank post-war What happened after bringing a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel Oberyn having more children The Iron Islands wanting their independence Tyrion's disapproving look made towards Dany and Jon having sex Is winter an actual season or is it just controlled by the night king? Because it ends right after he dies apparently
Illyn Payne was taken out as his actor was diagnosed with cancer and he was not killed or recast out of respect, he’s doing just fine now it’s been reported
- snow in king's landing was ash, I think, and the jackass - a joke that is never finished is a super common trope, they usually hope we all believe that the joke was the best one ever, while if they told it at least some people would think it is lame AF. Some major plot lines that just died were also: - The faceless men. What they want? They take in Arya, train her, she kills seemingly the only other apprentice and we never see anyone else there either; also Arya was stabbed by a TRAINED KILLER and it ends up 'just a flesh wound' - she is clearly dead after that. We were even shown the brutal stabbing - or was it faked and why? Anyway, their only acolyte at that point leaves and the dude just smirks. They have a plan? An aim at least? A vague vision statement? WHAT?? - The sparrows and the brotherhood and so on, at least two popular movements of common people existed but apparently they just vanish when Cersei blows up High Sparrow (he does not become a martyr to the cause) and Hound leaves. Now they will just smile and nod when new lot of toffs rules over them. Similarly the Lord of Light religion that has been spreading in Westeros has no meaning, even socially if their prophecies are all bunk - will there now be two competing religions? Will that be a source of conflict? - talking of religion the Northern one does not seem to play much of a role after a while, even though it seems to be the other one that actually works somehow, what with the 3 eyed raven and all that jazz. There's also some teasing about the mysteries of the far North, what with them digging up the horn mentioned, but once the wildlings move south of the wall, that's all she wrote. Vargs never come up again; both Jon and Arya show signs of having the ability but never develop it. - Winter is now not coming and no-one is starving because preparations were not made due to all the fighting. I guess seasons are all Night King's doing, but a bit of an explanation would have been nice. Has the climate now permanently shifted? - The Maesters, they seemed to also have something cooking and they definitely had an inordinate amount of books and knowledge they hoard, but in the story they just exist to give Sam some exposition, grudgingly at that. - The cursed ruins of Old Valyria, I think this is a lesser one, but it still seems odd that it was brought up, a few times, and we never then get anything of it. I did think that is where Drogon went (could Bran have said that? It would have been at least tying up a plot line somewhat.)
Just like it it wasn't significant anywhere but in the North that the White Walkers came at the time of Brandon the Builder. They were only considered fairitales told to scare the children in the north. In a very short time it will all be forgotten and people will once again laugh about the superstitious northerners. Back to normal! Perfect plot! Beating the White Walkers was not a problem by the sole reason that Arya was lead to TNK by Melissandre. That "little" detail was the difference between total destruction of Westeros and everything being blown off as a fairytale after a short while. Epic! They should have used the repeated symbolis though, maybe not solved it but made an effort. Maybe it wasn't anything, but someone should at least have tried.
Knut Henrik Sommer perfect except... - winter immediately disappears even though it’s not tied to the whitewalkers - winter is meant to be continuous darkness, not just on typical night with some light snow - the long night occurred everywhere through Westeros and even affected Essos, which is why legends of Azor Ahai are so widespread in the East and all of this occurred before the Andals arrived in Westeros which is why the legends (even of the children of the forest) aren’t much known and for the Andals the wall has always been there. The threat of the whitewalkers return was that it was going to affect everyone - not just the north, it was the anvil of magic that was about to smash down on the people of Westeros who believed none of it - and by the end of the series they never saw it, not any magic of any kind. - the story never references the whitewalkers again after their demise, which is a complete disservice to the existential threat they’re met to represent (the threat that was supposed to catch Westeros off guard but they never learned of) - Arya’s storyline throughout the series has no connection at all to the whitewalkers and the showrunners admitted in interviews that they selected Arya only because people weren’t expecting it - Melisandrei’s prophecy is contextually about the faceless men, not the whitewalkers, and is changed during the episode to fit with the situation - Melissandrei’s prophecy to Arya completely contradicts her belief in Azor Ahai which she’s held throughout the entire series and has operated on - there is no payoff to R’hilor, Azor Ahai or the prince that was promised - no explanation is provided for why the whitewalkers wanted the three eyed raven, in fact no explanation is ever given of the three eyed raven and it lends nothing to the endgame and turns out to be entirely superfluous - the series offers no explanation as to who the children of the forest were or why, if they had the ability to create the whitewalkers, they didn’t posses the skills to perform that magic themselves and how any of this ties into the need to kill the three eyed raven - how killing Bran/three eyed raven has anything to do with destroying the memory of the world when books and Oldtown exist (ie the explanation made no sense at all) - how the night king can be resistant to dragon fire but weak against dragon glass, which is made from dragon fire... The thing was an absolute narrative disaster and the whitewalker plot has zero impact on anything else in the story, despite being the existential threat. They were supposed to be the endgame, not a footnote
Damon242 The White Walkers wanted the three eyed Raven to erase the human memory, as said by Bran in 8x2. There are constant signs that the winter is caused by the coming of the White Walkers, the ground freezes repedetly every time before they come. If the writers wrote in the part about Arya they did an exellent job, despite what they or anyone else thinks. It's common that readers like a work better than the writer. "The process" by Kafka is an exellent example, he forbade its publication. I love it, and it has been considered the most important literary work of the 20. century. The making of the White Walkers by the children has to do with the signs, one of the plots that should have been developed, but I hope they would have kept some of it unexplained. The three-eyed Raven is something they call a mystery, it is very common in litterature to keep mysteries unsolved. If you read the classic litterature, especially the religious one, it is filled with unsolved mystery. Jon was the prince that was promised. The series more than indicates that he leaves beyond the wall as legend tells. What happens with him is left to imagination. Disagree with it being a narrative disaster and I have yet to meet anyone who think that in my network of fellow litterary scholars. Some of my computer-science and engeneering friends hates how the story progress, so I guess that is a matter of pure subjective opinion. It was simply not a story of your taste, I loved it. I think the series could have slightly improved by two or three more episodes connected to the subject of the connection btw. the faceless men and the Lord of light. Not necessarily answers, just more indication like more interaction btw Arya and Melissandre. Didn't finish reading the books, they were too exhausting to read for me. The TV-series were far more interesting, but that is pure subjective opinion, not something it is meaningful to argue for. Also: I don't disagree with everything critizised in the video, only the times that every time something is left unexplained it is a disaster. This is to me a story, not an introduction to science, mythology, religion and history in an alternate universe.
@@knuthenriksommer4982 'The White Walkers wanted the three eyed Raven to erase the human memory, as said by Bran in 8x2.' - which doesn't make sense, despite them offering it as an answer. Destroying the three eyed raven wouldn't erase human memory (as the aforementioned books and oldtown would contest), furthermore according to the show's lore (which is problematic) the whitewalkers were created by the children of the forest to kill the first men. This is problematic because a) the children didn't posses the skills that the bestowed on someone else? b) the children are joined with the three eyed raven c) the three eyed raven does not posses all of humanity's memory as its powers extend only as far as the weirwood trees and they were all cut down by the andals everywhere past the boundry to the north (and the gods eye which isn't referenced in the show) d)neither the whitewalkers or wights chased down bran after the previous three eyed raven was killed despite supposedly being able to track him, in fact they went the opposite direction, and e) the whitewalkers weren't employed to destroy the andals...despite them being the worse threat for the children. This is why the explanation came under intense scrutiny when it was offered last year - because it doesn't hold weight. 'There are constant signs that the winter is caused by the coming of the White Walkers, the ground freezes repedetly every time before they come. ' That was a last minute change. Winter always occurs on and off, even the oldest Stark children lived through a winter. The Long Night was the first and only appearance of the whitewalkers, despite winter occuring before and after - they aren't tied to the seasonal change. Even the show keeps with this rule for most of its run every time it relays history about winter, until they do an abrupt 180 in season 8 and winter just magically ends (in fact it was worse in season 5 with stannis than in season 8 with the whitewalkers, and the snow in king's landing at the end of season 7 is vanished come season 8 - the show is incredibly inconsistent with its depiction of winter). 'If the writers wrote in the part about Arya they did an exellent job, despite what they or anyone else thinks. It's common that readers like a work better than the writer. "The process" by Kafka is an exellent example, he forbade its publication. I love it, and it has been considered the most important literary work of the 20. century. ' You haven't actually offered an explanation there as to why you think the Arya reveal is excellent (despite having no thematic or story throughline which renders it an inorganic subversion which is precisely what the writers explained it was - a random surprise twist with no foundation). You also have conveniently overlooked all of the problems I highlighted with Arya being at all involved in the resolution for the whitewalkers (and we haven't even touched on the scene itself where she magically gets through an army of undead and whitewalkers, across metres and metres of snow unseen and magically leaps from the air) 'The making of the White Walkers by the children has to do with the signs, one of the plots that should have been developed, but I hope they would have kept some of it unexplained.' The signs were a creation of the show, they don't exist in the source material. They were mostly likely employed only as a visual aid. 'The three-eyed Raven is something they call a mystery, it is very common in litterature to keep mysteries unsolved. If you read the classic litterature, especially the religious one, it is filled with unsolved mystery. ' Religious literature is not exactly something that's going to be praised as quality literature - I wouldn't lean too much on it. The three-eyed raven demands an explanation if it is to be relied upon as the driving point of the whitewalkers (for some reason) and Bran's entire storyline. There is no payoff to any of it - it doesn't offer an explanation as to who he is (unlike the source material), he's not even given a name, his abilities are given no context or boundaries (despite the weirdwood mythology), his abilities are given no payoff (they don't contribute at all to the plot, not even against the whitewalkers and Bran's completely unexplained 'departure' during the winterfell attack, and there's no follow up to Bran's ability to affect time). In fact, the demonstration and use of the three eyed raven in GOT is a deus ex machina - which is nothing but contrived and certainly not a positive for any story in any medium. 'Jon was the prince that was promised. The series more than indicates that he leaves beyond the wall as legend tells. What happens with him is left to imagination.' The prince that was promised is suggested in the source material as being relevant to Azor Ahai, however, in the show it is directly connected. The prince that was promised in the show is supposed to bring the dawn, supposed to wield lightbringer, is supposed to sacrifice the most important thing to obtain lightbringer, is supposed to emerge from salt and smoke (could have been Theon that ticked all those boxes but they blew up that possibility), etc. Jon isn't even confirmed as the prince that was promised with Daenerys being raised as a possibility with the valyrian noun being gender neutral - however, none of this matters because Arya kills the night king...which destroys the prince that was promised prophecy, the azor ahai prophecy, anything related to r'hilor including all of the red priests/priestesses, and even on Arya's part the faceless men play no role in it whatsoever (the last time she uses that is against the Freys and it otherwise, like the three eyed raven, plays no part in the overall story and is completely superfluous). A good story, and good storytelling, ties things together and adds purpose to the proceedings within the story - Arya's training as a faceless man should have paid off by the end of the story for her as a character or for the overarching narrative, same with Jon and the whitewalkers, same with Bran and the three eyed raven. The only attempt they made to render something meaningful is when they paid off Daenerys' vision of the throne room and the snow/ash. 'Disagree with it being a narrative disaster and I have yet to meet anyone who think that in my network of fellow litterary scholars' This is a television series, not a novel - these are entirely different mediums and a teleplay is certainly not scholarly literature (I have concerns for your prestige group of scholars if this is the material you dedicate yourself towards celebrating). 'Some of my computer-science and engeneering friends hates how the story progress, so I guess that is a matter of pure subjective opinion' ...which renders your description of everyone's education entirely random and pointless. I accept that you might love it and opinion is certainly subjective, which is all fine. I would have loved to have enjoyed it, but alas I could not and the reception has been largely negative as I'm sure you have seen, read and heard. However, narrative consistency and logic is a measurable attribute for a story irrespective of its medium and this is where subjective opinion does not have a place. 'I think the series could have slightly improved by two or three more episodes connected to the subject of the connection btw' Myself, I don't think time was what they needed - with the time they had they wasted much of it with pointless scenes and extended silence. There was filler in the six episode final run which had no place being there, and for every scene of a character making a quip we were robbed of deserving scenes such as the Starks reuniting, the reaction of them learning Jon's origin, etc. emotional payoff that was earned but never delivered by the series (in fact Jon's revelation and reaction was skipped over for a scene where Bronn threatens to kill Jaime and Tyrion which is then played for laughs and just as easily could have been excised along with the preceding scene of him being offered the task - both of which added nothing to the story nor influenced anything else). 'Didn't finish reading the books, they were too exhausting to read for me' You were just detailing about your fellow group of literary scholars and you couldn't finish the books? That raises a lot of questions but you're right, we needn't waste time on that. 'Also: I don't disagree with everything critizised in the video, only the times that every time something is left unexplained it is a disaster. This is to me a story, not an introduction to science, mythology, religion and history in an alternate universe.' The fantasy genre needn't explain magic, that's intrinsic to the genre and what separates it from science fiction. However, George RR Martin wrote A Song of Ice and Fire to challenge the conventions of fantasy narratives and beautifully detailed a world that was traced on real life events and cultures - the material was there for the showrunners to use but they elected instead to ignore it. What we have in the end is a story that wend big and yet couldn't bring itself together in the end - disparate storylines and rules of the universe abandoned (one need only look at the Dothraki culture that is detailed in the first season and forgotten by the last - their fear and hatred of magic, their bloodrider oaths, their famed archery on horseback; by the end they let a witch light all of the weapons on fire, never employed any archery and never avenged their Khalessi or follow her into the grave as their oath demands). A complete story is judged by how its ends, like anything in life it's not about the ingredients that go in but what they turn into afterwards.
Jaime kind of forgetting that he killed the Mad King to save the innocents of Westeros and saying "I never really cared for them...innocent or otherwise..."
Re-watch the show. (To appreciate the actor's job with Jaime.) Jaime has a "tough-guy" act when he needs it. He tries to drop it, to tell the truth about what happened to people like Ned. (Who reject his truth anyway.) It's only rarely, like with Brienne, that he's being authentic. The dumb thing about this scene - is that Tyrion buys the tough-guy act. He should know his brother by now.
that is more a out of character moment, sort of like Danny burning innocent lives in kings landing for no reason or Tyrion being an idiot telling women and children to take shelter in the crypts knowing the Night king raise people from death.
Here’s the joke continued: The Madame asked, "what can we do for you?" I said, "I need a woman to lay with, for mine has left me." The Madame asked "You poor thing; whatever for? And why do you have a jackass and a honeycomb?" "Well," I answered, "my woman stumbled upon a genie in a bottle, and he granted her 3 wishes. The first was to have the nicest ass in the land, so he gave her this jackass. Her second wish was for a 'house fit for a queen', so he gave her this beehive." The Madame asked, "And what of the third wish?" "For her third wish, my woman asked the genie to make my cock hang down past my knee." "Well, that one's not so bad!" the Madame exclaimed. "'Not so bad!?', I replied, "I used to be 6 feet tall!"
Well there's actually a hidden meaning behind it. He says it three times throughout the show. First as Lysa's prisoner, then he tried to tell it to Missandei and Grey Worm before being interuppted, then of course at the end. And D&D never having Tyrion finishing the joke, was masterfully crafted to be reminiscent of how they forget to finish all of these plotlines.
Know thee so little of the tales of a mystical land named "Tiajuana"? The unfolding of this riddle require that thou know said animal be also called a donkey, and it is told that in far away places...Um, I'm not going there, but...
To be fair for the Ser Ilyn Paine storyline, the reason he was written out of the show is because the actor was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer that was deemed terminal. He survived, but by then it was too late.
Well, I'm really happy that the man survived, dont get me wrong. But we have already seen AT LEAST 2 recasts (Beric Dondarrion and Daario Naharis) on major characters. I guess they could at least cast someone else to do justice to Arias Kill List...
Θανάσης Ρίτσας it was really a thing more out of respect. And the only other time he was used in the book was to train Jamie after his hand is cut off. Bronn was a good substitute for it anyway.
@@rithanrithan8288 the mountain was recast MULTIPLE times lol. also tommen literally being a different lannister earlier on. considering that he wasn't written out of the story they could have brought him back or recast him when he was in the clear.
Wyatt Martin thing is, the point of those scenes in the book arent jamie and ilyn training. The point is that Jamie now has someone who can listen but not talk and therefore this allows Jamie to spill his darkest secrets to the reader in fits of rage. I get that they dont want to re-cast out of respect but not getting to see these scenes still blows
Nazim Ouachek Jon: “I mean-I guess we didn’t really know him that well” Sansa: “yea I kinda saw it coming-plus if he couldn’t zig-zag his death is on him” Jon: “facts”
@Firstname Lastname dont think so, the whole point of that history book scene is that the baratheon bloodline is dominant genetically so roberts children should all have dark hair even if his woman(cersei) was light haired. "the seed is strong"
Bran was the oddest thing. He was so creepy and weird. The previous three eyed raven was stuck to a tree for centuries and he was still 10x more normal than Bran.
Actually there is a meaning to the Whitewalker symbols. Their swirling shape represent GoT’s final season and all of its character development swirling down the drain.
@@jeckjeck3119 Exactly. He is Brinden RIvers (Blood Raven) now, not Bran any more. He gets new body for his mind and his abilities and now he can reign the 7 kingdoms as he likes.
She literally teleported behind the Night King. The whole thing was so silly, D&D should've just went ahead and had her say "Nothing personal, kid" before stabbing him.
@@Nostalgia_Addict in the scene before that Aria was escaping bunch of undeads. So I thought she took one of their faces, and disguised herself as an undead to get close to the Night King. At least that's how I tried to make sense of the assassination The screaming part was silly though
@@tanzvideosfrankfurt4881 on the set they had her perched on a box so she could jump at the night king actor from above. So where exactly is this supposed "above"?
I assumed she jumped out of a tree, although you can't really see one. But the scream is deliberate surely - so that he turns around and she can stab him in the front whilst he's holding her.
The fact that the Dothraki were notoriously against witchcraft really sticks with me when Melisandre lights their blades. I don’t care how devoted they were to their khaleesi, it’s just dumb that none of them immediately recoiled with disgust.
The worst part of that scene is the Dothraki riding off into the darkness alone to fight the horde. It makes zero sense considering the night king can immediately raise them from the dead and make his attacking force larger.
it wouldve been interesting if bran caused the mad king to go mad. the mad king kept repeating "burn them all" which couldve been about burning bodies to prevent white walkers
@@suzehartmanThe fan base theorized better writing than the show was able to deliver. They prioritized surprising with with something unexpected, over giving us something good.
@@no-barknoonan1335 it's the surprising nature of this show that makes it appealing in the first place, I don't think the show itself was good at all after S4
Lmaoo that’s like “hey can I borrow a pencil?” “Sorry fam, don’t have any” “damn, what about a pen?” “Sure thing bro good thing you asked” LIKE WHAT. YOU CANNT BE LORD YOU CANNOT BE KING. also he has a CREEP smile at the end
@@mahnboichild Was it really **that** great, though? It was just a typical hollywood action scene where the bad guys immediately kill the NPCs, then only inflict non-mortal damage on Jon. The cool parts were learning that Valyrian steel kills the Others (which I liked more from a book reader's perspective, as that is still a mystery) and the Night King/Jon staredown at the end. It was certainly good, but I've seen people list it as the best GoT episode solely for that scene. Otherwise, the rest of the season was pure garbage.
I was actually pretty irritated that none of the Stark children really acknowledged Rickons death. After being separated for years and finally reuniting, there's never any mention or sadness about the baby of the family being dead. Especially from Bran since he and Rickon were the closest.
Maybe because he’s not actually dead in the story? Directors didn’t have a clue what to do with him so just kill him. Wasn’t an important plot event because they pulled it out Of a hat
@@admontblanc You've obviously never been sober around stoned people when they think they are being deep.... Drawn art may come out looking cool, but a script for 10 hours of TV would come out a garbled mess. Much like we got.
Bran accidentally creating the mad king would have been the best usage of his abilities affecting the past. There was so much potential there to blow our minds.
I actually like the idea that the Mad King wasn’t totally mad. His most trusted advisors were in fact plotting behind his back and he was kidnapped and tortured before Barristan saved him. A prequel show focused on him would be a lot of fun.
I'm subscribed to the theory that bran/the old three eyed raven changed things in the past in such a way that the three eyed raven would always be chosen to be the new king of westeros
Game of Thrones went from being the greatest television series of all time to completely forgotten by pop culture in the span of a few months. I don't think there has ever been a bigger fall from grace.
@@rogierb5945 Agreed. While the Jamie's story are was not popular, it was at least believable....his eternal struggle to change, but in the end he succumbed to his ties to family and his sister. It was one of the (very few) better moments of the final episodes.
@@rogierb5945 I totally agree, but I think that (for me) the big problem for the Jamie plot is that they ''built'' that relationship with Brienne and I thought the sex scene was like the finally redemption and restar for his life and at least die like a ''good guy'' but....nop...same night he fucks off
@@ecemkaplan8188 Bran wouldn´t do it on purpose. He didn´t fuck Hodors mind on purpose. Bran also tryied to communicate with Ned in the Tower of Joy, he felt his presence. Imagine him trying to explain to the mad king what he had to do to the wights and Kings Landing corpses "burn them all".
I don't mind them leaving some questions unanswered but the final scene with Bran, Sam, Davos and Bron as the small council looks and feels like an SNL sketch
And Bronn - the dude who's been spending money like fire burning wood became the master of coin. How ridiculous is that? It seems the writer was out of good characters to use so they filled in what they got.
Bran the broken becoming the king of the sixth kingdom is not the best way this whole series could’ve ended. Hate me all if you guys want to but in my opinion I hardly even cared for bran the entire series. They night king killing everybody would’ve been a way better ending even and would’ve had way more meaning behind it but Arya had to kill off one of the biggest characters GOT created because of D & D. It would’ve been a better message to if the night king killed everybody like no matter how much power you have you can’t escape death
@@TLinnNguyen more like the budget got short and we have to be involved in other things ( Star Wars ) so let’s just pick a way outta the hat and see how it ends. ( picks bran the broken ending ) D&D ,” well shittt bran the broken it is , let’s just throw some shitty lines in and make none of it make sense and bam we gotta ending and we can go work on Star Wars now “ 😂
@@austinbradshaw4081 The problem was never the budget getting short. HBO offered D&D as many seasons as they wanted, they were specifically pushing for at least 10 seasons, if not more, since GOT was basically a license to print money, while D&D wanted to just do 7 seasons total, so they eventually came to a compromise of 8 seasons with the final two seasons having fewer episodes. D&D just wanted to have it over and done with, which I can understand, but I'll never be able to fathom why they didn't just pass the showrunner role onto someone else in the production who wanted it. That way they could have left to make Star Wars, or whatever, and we'd still have the potential for a halfway decent ending to the show. 🤷♂️
I always thought the Nymeria scene represented how both Arya and Nymeria became free/wild on their own. The fate of the dire wolves always mirrored that of the Starks so Nymeria is following how Arya left to adventure
The plot line where Danny goes from place to place freeing slaves, killing evil people, and asserting that she doesn't want to be the queen of the ashes, and then in one episode does a 180.
I think they rush it. I think that Dany going mad is very probable and likely because her father was the Mad King and some mental issues are inheritable. Also the Targaryens were an inbreeding house and inbreeding makes mental issues even more likely.
@@stork2230 yea I was definitely waiting for Danny to go mad, especially because of the whole flip of a coin thing. But instead of doing it overtime, it all happened in one episode
I love Dany, but this turn around to mad queen is justifiable. Her first instincts in previous seasons is to use her "very large armies" and "very large dragons." When tested by her enemies, she resorts to wanting to destroy them with fire and blood. With that kind of thought process and losing basically everyone she cares for, what else might she do? She's been built up in the series to be such a do gooder hero type of character. She talks about all the trauma she's endeovered and how it's made her so sure she belongs in the iron throne. She definitely has the mechanics of an unstable ruler. I think her counselors kept her on a good path. She has the potential to be very good and very bad. I wish they would have let it evolve maybe a couple episodes longer. Only because I enjoyed her as a baddie.
The whole GOT show makes me so upset. They set it up so well, even when it was falling apart we all hoped they would fix it and give it the spectacular ending it deserved. But they didn’t. The writer’s had two inflated egos. They had some incredible actors. The props team was top notch. They could do anything they wanted with the CGI. And their budget was through the roof. And they threw at all away and disappointed all the fans. Still irritates me.
It's insane how the egos of these 2 and some actors wanting to do other stuff ruined it and look what happened Sansa sucked in dark Phoenix and the star wars deal D&D were stoked for fell through it will stain most of their careers forever
@@christophergomez499 who in their right mind would want to do "other" things when they're on FUCKING GAME OF FUCKING THRONES. Makes me fume. Who is that bright bulb?
It's almost expected really. Martin has dragged his feet in finishing his story. So when they went past the books, the tone, and voice of the story is different. They stopped adapting and started creating. Something they were not ready for.
@@jordanmc9015 Then they could have easily passed the torch to other writers who were ready. It's not like no one wanted to help create GOT. Instead they butchered it so they could go make their star wars dream reality only to be kicked off that project for butchering GOT. Don't forget HBO offered them 2 more seasons to end GOT
@@SamuelsBookReviews Season 6 finale was the last true piece of GoT, Winds of Winter was too epic for D&D to keep going, should have put the show on hiatus, sold the syndication to NBC, CBS, or Disney and held out for RR to finish the books.
God the whole situation with Bran saying I can never be lord of anything and then immediately saying “why do you think I came all this way” was just *chef’s kiss*
@@patflann29 exactly! Everyone not "getting it" is extremely frustrating. Even Arya's arc. Her whole arc was about defeating death and she did exactly that by killing the NK. Jon IS the prince that was promised, the PTWP prophecy never said that he'd be the one to kill the NK. Jon brought everyone together for the common cause of battling the NK's army. Don't even get me started on Dany, who didn't even have the chance to go mad before she left Essos because her dragons weren't even big enough for her to ride until after she conquered Mereen. Not to mention the signs that her morals were questionable as well as Jorah always having to calm her down and tell her to not go apeshit on someone and show them mercy. She had no problem killing all of the Khals. They were innocent. They committed no crime. She burned them all because she didn't want to do what she was required to do as a Khaleesi after losing her Khal & stay in Dosh Khaleen. She liked the Dothraki culture enough to continuously call herself Khaleesi, but hated on 90% of their customs & didn't want to partake in one herself - so she burned everyone. If any other character had done this, people would have been condemning it.
@@patflann29he says multiple times he doesn’t want anything. Not only that he says he can’t be lord of anything when being king is the ultimate lord of everything.
Plus anyone who has read the books knows that it's the "3 Eyed Crow", not -Raven. And Ravens and Crows are very different creatures symbolically. Bloodraven may actually be the 3 Eyed Crow, but it's not likely after his confusion to the name when Bran calls him it in ADWD.
@@josephpotter7776 so what? She was their mother, she saw her children getting butchered in front of her..and they chose not to remember her at the least.
@@snivellus15814 I'd reccomend reading the books for a satisfying catelyn story line....SHES NOT DEAD ! Arya finds her while shes warged as her wolf with the pack after the red wedding. (Where rob gets killed)
The worst was the build up between Jon and the White Walker King, it made you believe there was going to be an epic fight between them but instead Arya got the kill.
That! Everything built up for that, but it never happened. They could have had Jon fight the Night King in single combat and defeat him with "Lord of Light" powers, fulfilling the "promised prince" prophecy, and later die due to the wounds sustained in the fight, leading to Bran becoming king because he was Jon's only living male relative.
Omg it's like, this is one among hundreds of ideas that fans have thrown out instead of the "canon" one and all of them, and I mean ALL OF THEM are better than what we got, it's infuriating
the walker got nerf when they pass the wall, i was seriously wondering how and if they will defeat them, but after the nerf they only need a little girl with a knife
Plus Drogon destroying kings landing like he is a fucking Exodia with missles while doing very little damage to white walkers in the long night battle.
After multiple videos and rewatching numerous times, I THINK the whole secret behind Pod was that he sang to the girls. That’s why they loved him and didn’t take his money.
@@awesomestuff6477 Yess, exactly. It made everyone wonder what he did yet the directors left it up to the imagination of the viewer which shows that they trust the viewer and don't have to spoon-feed everything to them. Probably one of the few good decisions made in the show.
I think that Littlefinger told them not to take the money to fuck with Tyrion. Petyr was a little pissy at Tyrion for tricking him in Tyrion's plan to root out Cersei's spy on the small council.
4:35 WHAT IF Bran was trying to go back in time DURING the long night battle to get a clue for how they could defeat the night king, and while he was there, the background noise of the battle “burn them all” interfered during his teleporting and that’s how the mad king heard the noise which was really of the future battle and thought it was to be applied to his current kingdom
Another one: Daenerys' fertility plot. They make her lose Drago's baby and then make the witch tell her that she can never have children, and she believes it, and then Jon even tells her that maybe it wasn't true. And for what? It never has any impact or resolution. what a massive waste of a good story
I thought for sure the series would end with Dany getting Pregnant with Jon Snows child. The reason why she can’t have children is because she is half dragon, half human. But she gets a REI fusion of Targaryen DNA through Jon. Idk one can wish. It would connect why Targaryens always wed and bred each other.
Wiliam Forsythe “Bran the Broken, first of his name. King of the Andals and the First Men. LORD of the Six Kingdoms, and protector of the realm.” You must not be very bright.
Wiliam Forsythe If you had the IQ you claim you’d understand that Bran meant he can’t rule ANYTHING. The conversation they had was about Lords sure but come on any retard should know what he meant
Same. You just be like "dude, you did absolutely NOTHING" Maybe beside making so many characters die for you and not using your "amazing powers" in any circumstance. "All job done, cool, I could never be a lord, but I will mercifully agree to be a king of 6 kingdoms". And the moment he goes to look for the dragon at the end. Wtf... Like...didn't you have time to do that before or after the council? Good timing to use your talent, bro.
What about Jorah saying that the dragons were wild and could never be tamed… just to have them be incredibly well trained and obedient from that episode on 😭
Cerci just staring out windows was one of my biggest annoyances because she was always doing something, plotting, blackmailing, but when her life is in danger she's going to stare at some water and drink wine.
Cersei in general on season 7 and 8, is just there for the sake of having a "villain". It's just surreal how she can just blow up the sept and not enrage King's Landing population, which is known to revolt pretty violently when unhappy.
@@alvaromneto Probably the showrunners merged the character of Cersei with someone who appears in the books but not in the show. I won't say the name to not make a spoiler but let's just say in the books Cersei probably won't be sitting in the Iron Throne at any moment
I think Bran being the reason the Mad King went crazy wouldve been amazing. Maybe during the final Battle as he worgs someone is screaming "Burn them all" which causes the King to seem mad and launch the events that lead to the show. But unfortunately D&D have proved they were never clever or bold enough to pull that off
for these years I read so many great fan-made plot twists (including yours) that I just composed the last season from this in my head and pretended to forgot about original at all.
The biggest plot line they fucked up is Jon Snow being groomed to be the "Chosen One" of the show. They slowly built him up to be this huge and important guy. He dies and is brought back by the Lord of Light which makes him the "Prince that was Promised". He gets named the "White Wolf" and the new "King in the North" just to have him randomly decide to bend the knee to Danny for....reasons...We later find out that he's Aeogon Targaryen and TECHNICALLY the true heir to the Iron Throne. So many wasted storylines and potential.
BlackDragon0712 yeah he essentially gets boiled down to just someone who’s banging Dany so therefore can be alone with her and able to kill her. Nice one, anyway back to the wall with you, back to season 1!
That was right where the books ended and the new show writers took over. Now the new writers had GRRM's input so I'm sure he told them some upcoming plot points such as Jon Snow getting resurrected and being a Targaryen. But they immediately pivoted away to try to create nothing but strong female characters. That's when the show began to focus on Dany, Sansa, Cersi, Yara, and the Sand Snake sisters. I'm 100% convinced that the show writers were planning to have Dany end as queen with Sansa getting set up as the future threat. But GRRM stepped in at the last moment and said that Bran ends as king so they quickly had to flip Dany's character 180 degrees into a bloodthirsty tyrant. It was painfully obvious when the final 3 episodes in the "previously on" segment at the beginning were solely focused on how Dany was a Targaryen and Tyrion saying that "coin flip at birth" line like 100 times despite Dany basically being a paragon of all things good before (yes she made rash executions as a young leader, but they always offset it with an advisor counseling her and it turning into a growth learning moment afterwards to show her development into a better more just and fair ruler). FWIW I think that the books will not end with Sansa as the independent Queen of the North or Yara as Queen of the Isles. I think that was GRRM making a concession to the show writers to give them the female heros they wanted. A lot of the plot points getting watered down was because they just ran out of time and had to cram everything into a "final season."
I don't think so the prophecy of Azora ahi the last thing he did was kill his wife in order to temper the sword lightbringer in order to prevent the darkness from spreading however recall it stated he was miserable in the end no where did it say he would become a king. I can see self imposed punishment of going beyond the Wall. the honest truth beyond the wall was where he was the most free,.. if you noticed he was also called The Prince who was promised not the king
@@MrBelfering the honest truth Sansa is a toss-up ,she parallels Queen Elizabeth 1 a fair bit. Especially when you read about her early years before she became Queen. Yara or should I say book ASHA was changed in full to meet today's new standards which is a pity because the book version was a strong.it's a pity if they really wanted to focus on a female in charge Arianne should not have been cut
@@pib50051 yea in the episode where they found the pups Jon said "there's 5 of them and 5 stark children ", ive already watched all the episodes wen it came out and read the books and still like "5, who tf is the 5th one"
not the neckalce, the gem inside it. before she dies she threw the necklace on the ground and the gem's light went out, so its safe to assume she was wearing the gem just not visibly
The White Walkers as a whole feel like an abandoned plot line. They were building it up since the very beginning of the show, they even alluded to the Children of the Forest and the Three-Eyed Raven being not so innocent in this conflict, but nothing came of any of that. No story, no lore, not even a serious threat to humanity. Just an army that was easily defeated by a wannabe assassin.
The most heavily foreshadowed war. For the very existence of humanity. Against an ominous, mysterious foe with unknown motives, and sparse history, seething in prophecy and symbolic resonance... all took place in one location, overnight for one or two hours of poorly lit, nonsensical, mediocre television that answered almost nothing and further unraveled the existing character developments of some of the shows best developed characters.
Most of these could've been answered if there were more episodes/seasons. HBO wanted 2-3 more seasons, even George Martin said that there could be so much more, but the directors was eyeing a Star Wars movie that they didn't get in the end.
@@ohnana95 If I would have to choose a director for a movie I sure as hell wouldn't give the job to Benioff and Weiss. They are just hacks and would butcher even something as cheesy as Star Wars.
When Yara and Theon joined forces with Dany, they asked her to let them rule the iron islands independently from the seven kingdoms when they defeated Euron. She agreed. They never brought that up again.
Steve Adams also yara was in no position to rebel against bran him Becoming king legit helped everyone but yara and random prince of dorne it helped his sister his moms brother and his aunts son and Gendery May have been made a lord by Danny but his allegiance is with house stark sane with brienn so yara could have bitched all she wanted but legit brand family is now the 7 kingdoms .
How can the iron islands even be independent and not at war with Westeros? Without trade or raiding it seems like the Iron Islands would be more awful than they already are
Yes when I saw Yara vote for Bran I was so annoyed. Personally I think all lords should’ve ruled their own lands and not have a king/queen of the realm
@@fionaosullivan3691 Totally agree - especially when such a big point was made about the melting of the iron throne by Drogon - wasn't that meant to symbolise that no one should have it?
One of the "abandoned" plot lines in this video involves Cersei talking about her "first child". It wasn't an abandoned plot line. She was lying because she knew that she was directly responsible for Bran's injuries, so her first move was to pretend she is sympathetic to Bran's mom. She was already threading weaves. I really wanted either Sansa or Arya to get their revenge with the Lannisters. It didn't happen.
The phantom that murders Renley: everyone keeps going on about how it had "the face of Stannis Baratheon", but I have watched it twice and never _seen_ any of that face.
@@bushra6185 Mhm, I can find lots of examples of characters being mentally abused. Sansa had several scenes where she couldn't bare anymore. You have Theon Greyjoy being physical and mentally destroyed by Ramsay Bolton, Clegane the Hound and his trauma around the fire and I could go on... Btw, it's true that they tried so hard to make Dany look like a crazy Hitler, despite the fact that in season 2 they showed us the scenario of her death (when she goes to the rescue of her dragons). There, you can see her in King's Landing, watching the iron throne and trying to touch it until she gets interrupted by the screams of her dragons. You can also see is snowing (and in season 8 we can see that it was, in fact, ashes of the burned) and the ceiling of the building with big holes, such as the ones in Harrenhal in the past wars, and such as in the ending of season 8. Not trying to say it was well written because I felt a big emptiness while I was watching the last episode, but if they wanted us to accept that Daenerys was going to become a crazy bitch, maybe they could've executed better.
@@saerin9429 the worst part is that she wasn't crazy, they make it look bad, but when you really think about it, well, that's not the way she started her reign, but if she end up ending all injustice all over the world, that's not that bad either, she got a little into excess but considering what she just pass through, i can understand... everyone turining their back against her, that is something i can't understand
For me, the worst is when Jojen said Bran is literally the only one who could stop the threat of the White Walkers, and then he was used as nothing more than bait in the Long Night.
that would at least be funny, it was more like stopping during a triple flip, walking slowly off the mat, buying a burger from a mcdonalds, coming back 5 minutes later while everyone is wondering where the fuck you went, going back to the middle of the mat munching on the burger, then throwing your hands in the air and cheering for yourself, and expecting racuous applause.
I like the gymnastics analogy, but I'd say the ending felt more like if the gymnast stops near the end of their routine, bends over and sprays explosive diarrhea all over the audience and then walks away laughing.
Plus, in the books she’s visited by quaithe in her dreams several times. That, plus her increasing dragon dreams, was how she learned how to hatch the dragon eggs. They didn’t include a single dragon dream the entire series.
MinscS2 I honestly think their S8 scripts were the ones that were leaked, so they decided to "subvert expectations" read: screw everything up instead. Everything in the show skews suspiciously opposite of the leaks.
@@juanita-dark Do you have any link to those leak you're talking about, or any videos that goes through it ? Would be curious to know what was planned initially.
For me, one of the biggest fails was - how was Bran unable to describe quickly what is a three-eyed raven? every raven for the last however lon has been asked that dozens of times, one of them must have come up with a better answer than "its complicated" and Bran has access to all those memories... pick one and use it
The abandoned plot line of Rickon is so true tho. Like why did none of them bring up the fact that their brother died. and no one was like "yo where's Rickon?"
They never mourned Rickon's death because Sansa had already told Jon that Rickon would never come back to Winterfell alive and Arya didn't expect any of them to be alive so when Rickon wasn't there she knew what had happened to him and accepted it
sometimes i regret the time i spent being a fan of this show, watching the episodes on a on.. just to be this disappointed.. of course everybody forgot about this show, it really hurt such a disgrace. I think even the books doesn't even fuckin matter no more.
Yea, while we would watch Vikings we'd say "if it wasn't for Game of Thrones" this would be the best show on air. Ands then GoT rushed out and flopped that last two seasons so hard it makes you question you 9 year investment. Unlike Marvel, that delivered a stellar landing.
1. The Martell Kingmaker/Revenge Plotline which is being treated as a side plotline by many fans just because it didnt appear from AGOT-ASOS 2. Euron Greyjoy's grand apocalypse plan 3. Citadel Conspiracy 4. Battle of Ice that was replaced by Battle of the Bastards, because hey, Jon Snow garners more television views 5. Skinchanging 6. Battle of Meereen thats being led by Barristan Selmy 7. Tyrion Villain arc 8. Lady Stoneheart and so many more
@@guiT39yeah I’m abit late lol but Tyrion goes full bad guy after killing his dad, when you read his chapters he has lost he head and just wants to watch the world burn
You're talking about book plot lines that never or barely made it into the TV show. This is about plot lines the show somewhat started but never followed through with. Kinda would have loved to see Lady Stonehart tho! Catelyn was badass, cannot imagine how brutal her undead revenge plot would have turned out.
@@user-db7om5wu5j She'll be remembered as the Queen Who Took In the View. Windows, terraces, cliffs, battlements, what have you -- Cersei is a serious badass with her thousand yard stare. Makes me think of Sansa at Winterfell, staring down at the castle yard where productive activity is happening, waiting for someone like Littlefinger to sidle up along and slither into her ear.
I would think that when he found that out, he would hug someone and cry very hard and ugly, which would be very befitting of someone who was tortured for who knows how long.
Vighnesh Tiwari I suspect that due to the severity and nature of his trauma it would make him more anxious; he would have a very hard time believing Ramsey was truly dead unless he saw it with his own eyes. It would have been very interesting to see his reaction to the news.
RPG Is Life Yeah I definitely noticed a significant shift in plot style after they ran out of books. Before, the prerogative was to explore every crevice of what made each character tick, afterwards, it was all action and less and less character each season.
I think the lack of proof given to Jon about him being Aegon is dumb. Sam: Your real name is Aegon Jon: No, what are you talking about? Sam: It's true Jon: Oh shit
What do you think, in season 1 he's asking his father about it. He knows something's up, and when his bestfriend tells him he's Aegon it probably all started to makes sense for him.
You are completely dismissing the Night's Watch storyline. There was another Targaryen there who pretty much told Jon he is Targaryen he only needed someone else to confirm it.
@@ThunderConker He asked his "father" right before he joined the Night's Watch who his mother was and Ned replied "We'll talk when I get back". He never had any suspicion whatsoever he was Aegon.
Juwal Ahmed jon would be great but i think jon would just give daenerys the throne so i think still daenerys..?, if both of them are in the throne that would be the happily ever after ending tho
They actually address that one a little bit. In the scene where Bron is with the whores before being given the crossbow, they talk about a ginger boy named Eddy who go his face burned off and doesnt have eyelids anymore
It was explained in an interview. Ed Sheerans character (A lannister soldier) went to a Cabin Bar near Winterfell. Then sang LALALALANISSTERS RULES! STARKS SUCKS ARSE! LALALALALNISTERS WINS! STARKS HAVE TINY DINGDONGS! Then got skinned alive. The End.
Things that aggravated me the most personally: -Rickon Starks death and how it was never acknowledged. -Grey Worm & Unsullied getting their own house but they can’t reproduce because they got neutered. -Dothraki Horde apparently didn’t take any real losses at the battle of Winterfell. Lol. -Many side characters were simply thrown away and forgotten and never mentioned again.
Also Bran’s friend (I forget her name) who literally traveled with him and her brother for years, protecting Bran to get him to the Three Eyed Raven and afterwards she says that her family needs her before the winter comes (after bran tells her to screw off basically) and we never hear about her again or even see her during the Battle of Winterfell (which I wouldn’t really expect anyways) and her family was a noble house so they should have been contacted by the Starks to join their army against the Night King
The fact that Sam survives the battle at Winterfell is just absolutely ridiculous. He can barely lift a sword, yet somehow manages to not get ripped apart by the army of the dead. Oh, and Jamie too. No way either of them could have survived that battle with their handicaps.
Well, unlike Sam, Jamie was actually able to continue to fight as we see when he kills a Dothraki and fights off another, so he is at least at the skill level of a Dothraki, and look at how many survived the battle.
there’s literally a shot where 3-4 of the “main characters” are standing on top of mounds of dead bodies just swinging away with a sword😂 this show blew it
To be fair he still isn’t lord of anything. As king, he would be referred to as “Your Grace”. To my knowledge the kings and queens of the seven kingdoms don’t have lord in their titles either. He can’t be lord of anything because he’s going to be the king. Bran is just manipulative, not a liar.
@@Snakeeye04 “All hail Bran the Broken, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, LORD of the Six Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.” So after saying he can’t be the lord of anything…he’s now the lord of the six kingdoms😐
It was way before that, the ending of book 3/season 4 ended the first act of the story, and then with book 4, there was a tonal shift in the story as we entered act 2, that was a shift the show could not handle. It's obvious that season 5 alone tried to cover the entirety of books 4 and 5 (both of which form Act 2 of the story and have enough material for 4 or more seasons) because they wanted to be done with the Feast and Dance material, compare that to seasons 3 and 4 which were both dedicated to just book 3, which is why they were tighter seasons. They got cocky and abandoned act 2 of the story and thought that they will write their own act 3 (seasons 7 and 8) because George hasn't yet written his act 3 yet.
@@atro-city Not sure about the Act references but it's a good analysis overall. I think all was compelling and doing well until they went beyond the Books. I also have issue with them not doing justice to Dorne and altering all that happened there but...
Well, to be fair, it's a collaboration thing. You have millions of viewers, all with access to huge forums to talk to and remind each other of these things. And they had a a small team of writers, easy enough for them to miss stuff. But I imagine working under those dumbass directors didn't exactly help. The writers were probably rushed and forced to take stuff out to fit the whole "scaled back fantasy elements" thing mentioned in the tweets. The writers were probably forced to just abandon a lot of stuff in the end. Especially when you consider that the directors practically sprinted through the last 2 seasons so they could start working on their contract with Disney for Star Wars (that they ended up backing out of anyways). If anything, I feel bad for the writers.
Zero Policy Wait but d&d were the writers? They weren’t the directors......they’re the ones who had a star wars contract. THEY’RE the ones who rushed everyone and ended up diminishing the value of the entire series. Why would anyone feel bad for them? They brought it on themselves by apparently doing the equivalent of waiting until the last minute to write an essay before the deadline is due....except with a hit show that was loved by many. They had so much time to figure out how to write a successful conclusion to the series (even without GRRM’s last books) and they chose not to do it.
@What ? I'm sorry but you're full of shit. GOT was an ambitious project from the get go made by an ambitious company (HBO) and it was a huge success. While I agree that avoiding got like the plague is immature and it discourages companies to produce something within that universe in the future, the directors of the last 2 seasons are much to blame for rushing the production and writing of the show to comply with their Disney contract. I can name maaany videogames, for example, that were ambitious and successful projects in their first try. Halo combat evolved and world of Warcraft come to mind. This was not a project anymore it was a well established show. What exactly did they do that no one has dared to do before? I will not applaud mediocrity especially when they are getting paid millions for that. Criticism is well deserved.
This guys voice is like honey😂 Is it just me or does Cat’s face when Cersei is telling her about her first born say “when did I ask? Like I don’t care”
it was lightly snowing in kings landing at the end of season 7(?) which obviously foreshadowed the return of winter, then it's sunny there for the entirety of season 8. i guess killing the night king killed the season of winter, but then it's still snowy at winterfell after the battle. nice one d&d, you really had me going for a second there
@@breanna34 Yeah, it is a metaphor. But the snow is a physical manifestation of it. It was literally snowing in Kings Landing in S7, and then D&D said, "We kinda forgot"
@@breanna34 it wasn't a metaphor, the entire thing about westeros or whatever the whole place is called is that there are incredibly long seasons. 10 years of summer and then 10 years of winter or something. hack writers, couldn't make good on the central premise of the world.
One of the writers (not D&D, but I don't remember the name) explained that the symbols didn't belong to the Whitewalkers but to the Children of the Forest, and were used to represent their magic. The Whitewalkers reproduced this symbols more like a blasphemy, using corpses to say that death is coming to everything the Children cared. I think it's pretty interesting buuuuuuut...this was explained in an interview, not in the show so it doesn't count.
Now, see that adds depth. If they only want the destruction of everything why go to the lengths of mocking the children? They could establish their goal to be wiping out something like magic from the world and then the NK would personally turn Bran into- There's so many possibilities!
It's also implied that if she escapes the many-faced God temple and uses his power for her own personal gain, that she would be cursed and lose all powers she earned. That is also dropped entirely when she uses her many-faced god's power for killing the Freys.
@@alvaromneto YES! I thought that they only "let her go" because her time to pay would come in the future. It was implied that she'd be cursed, but not necessarily lose her 'powers'. Her 'powers' were knowledge and wisdom from the many-faced God, and the only way to "lose" these would be something like losing limbs or dying. That said, her "curse" could've been becoming ill or dying, or having her loved ones suffer a similar fate rather than losing her talents.
Could’ve been a great wrap up to her “list” and faceless god storyline by having her take the face of cerseis maester and killing/attempt to kill her. Instead she and the hound meander around kings landing and Cersei dies to a crumbling castle. Not at all the satisfying death for Cersei I had envisioned
Her entire arc was about "defeating death" - her training in KL "What do we say to the God of Death?" "Not today" - her training as a faceless man who worship the many faced God aka the God of Death - and in the end she literally defeated death by killing the Night King. People are just upset that their character they wanted to kill the NK didn't do it. Even if it wouldn't have made no sense. Jon's purpose & arc was to bring people together to fight the battle against the NK - he WAS STILL the prince that was promised. And Dany was ALWAYS meant to go "mad" - slavery was frowned upon in general in Westeros. Freeing slaves doesn't mean she's some messiah. And her dragons weren't even big enough during most of the series for her to go "mad." She DID kill innocents before. You people just didn't see them as innocents because you have a bias towards Dany and only see things in her perspective. She often also had to have someone cool her down, like Jorah, and suggest she show mercy. All the Khals that she burned, what crime did they commit? She killed them because she wanted to get out of a situation that she did not want to be in, that was thrusted upon her as Khaleesi w/a deceased Khal. She liked the Dothraki culture, but only the parts SHE liked about it, enough to keep the name "Khaleesi" but also not want to continue following along with that culture in going to Dosh Kaleen - enough to the point where she'd kill all the Khals to escape.
@@mamsy1169 I'm sorry, but no. Aria's plotline had absolutely nothing to do with the Night King or anything even remotely close to it. Yeah, you can say the "God of Death" was connected to the NK because the NK is some kind of affront to the natural order of the world, but nowhere, *nowhere* is it stated that the dead the NK is raising has affected the God of Death's domain. Maybe it could have been the symbols, yanking people's souls away from the afterlife or literally anything, but there was no setup to where Aria's plot lead her. But let's just say you're right and that all those things leading up to Aria's assassination of the NK were "foreshadowing" or "connected" in any way (which, again, is just false). What about all of the plot lines that involved Jon? Him being both a Targaryen and a Stark? The embodiment of the phrase "Ice and Fire"? Nope, irrelevant. Being brought back from the dead? Got people together, sure, but that could have easily been done without invoking everything involving Azor Ahai. You wanna say, oh they "subverted" the prophecy that Jon would kill the NK, except everything they did hinted that the prophecy was actually correct. If they wanted to set up that prophecy and magic were bunk and not to be trusted, *don't literally bring him back from the dead.* Ever heard of Chekov's Gun? Well D&D put a rifle on the wall with a plaque at the bottom reading "Death's Bane" and had the villain killed by a brick falling off a building instead.
It's worth mentioning, I think, that some of these things are fleshed out more in the books. But also the show overtook the books and a LOT of stuff it's drastically different In the book. Some great examples are that pod is a child, Tommen is also a child, all the stark children are wargs, and certain characters who 'died' are actually alive
other plotlines dropped: -illyrio mopatis -littlefinger (arguably) -the faith of the 7 -the iron bank (davos' loan in s4 aswell) -oldtown -the warlocks hunting dany -the facless men -the ironborn (kinda) -the brotherhood without banners (disapearing after thoros and beric death) -showing any loction that isnt winterfell, dragonstone or kings landing
I, Littlefinger, am a master of cunning and planning. I will use all of it to build up to the level that I can hand over this woman to a sadistic rapist, then wonder why she doesn't like me anymore.
Little finger was a great character and it was an injustice to kill him the way they did. In fact any time Arya did anything in the show it felt so undeserved and poorly written. Killing the knight king, or Waldor, or Peter, or the faceless men... just every time she did something it was so stupid and bad.
Marvin The Mage By season 6, the brotherhood without banners was pretty much everyone that was with Beric and Thoros when they executed the traitors. Then they went up north, and whoever was left alive went beyond the Wall. Pretty much the only ones that survived was Beric and The Hound(?). So I don’t think the brotherhood without banners deserves to be on that list.
God imagine if they had a huge budget, and a cinematic format with hour long episodes and ten episodes to a season so they could have really explored these plot threads.
@@eliaelirko9849 hbo greenlit and encourages two more seasons, the showrunners said no, not the writers. They wanted to move onto their big ticket dollaroonies star wars/netflix deals since they were hot shit for running GoT, so they chose to rush the fuck out of GoT. Its heavily implied in their interviews the knew they half-assed it, and the actors are all pretty clear they don't like it either. Luckily, Netflix and Disney both pulled their deals with dumb and dumber, since nobody wants showrunners that can turn the biggest media sensation into the largest universal disappointment.
Great video. Pretty much sums up all loopholes of this show. To be fair It is hard to tie in all ends with such complicated storyline. But the last season is unforgivable that just throw all smartness of characters developed in last few seasons into trash-land
People complain about season 8 being trash but season 4, 5, 6 AND 7 were also trash where plot lines were completely abandoned and plot armor was everywhere. Yet people praise them like they were anything like the first 3 seasons which were literally phenomenal. I'm sorry but I lost interest in the show after seeing how bad season 4 was and season 5. The show already started showing problems yet people were defending it as if it was great, and then they just progressively made all of their flaws more prominent in season 6 then in season 7. Yet people still didn't care about how the story made no sense, people were travelling to places instantly, battle of Winterfell was regarded as such a great scene but it was garbage that Jon suffered no damage when he is the main target and literally standing at the front. And just add insult to injury, Ramsay has pretty much lost the battle, his castle has been breached, there is almost nothing he can do to kill Jon now, oh wait he has a bow and arrow, Jon isn't paying attention, Jon is standing right next to him, Ramsay can win the battle right now or at least take out the person he hates with him, oh Ramsay just shoots Wun Wun, the giant that was already dead. Great stuff. I don't want people to follow the trend from season 7. GoT stopped being good after season 3, yet people didn't care because all people wanted was their favourite character to live, now that the same problems that GoT has had for the past 4 seasons are more obvious, people are acting like GoT has always been perfect before season 8.
@@MrTVx99 If everything after season 3 was trash why did you keep watching the show? I would have quit a series that was trash for that long. So either you're engaging in hyperbole to prove your point or you're just telling the whole world you wasted your time for no reason. The show didn't start getting really ridiculous until season 7. Season 5 and 6 had little hiccups but absurdity didn't start creeping in until season 7. And lastly, why would Ramsay shoot Jon instead of Wun Wun? At least if Jon lives Ramsay could try and broker a deal with him (although it would have been too late). If Ramsay had killed Jon at the first opportunity the wildings would have ripped Ramsay apart or Sansa would have had him executed. He still dies anyway in the end but his death wasn't ridiculous.
@@Shamyrl Because I kept giving the showwriters another chance to make it right. I don't know why you don't believe me, I am not going to list everything that's wrong. I watched Alt Shift X, don't know if you know about that channel, goes into depth about all the storyline and characters and what they mean. Potential hidden theories and agendas, but no in the show the characters are completely one dimensional just like the story. 'Jon would have broken a deal with him', lmao after he kills Rickon in front of him? After he tortures Theon to death, after he betrays Robb and her pregnant wife, and Catelyn and gets all three killed? Takes over Winterfell, destroys their home and kills all his friends that inhabit it? After he abuses Sansa? What deal is he going to get? This is not Ramsay, the guy who killed his own Father to have more power, he isn't going to fucking surrender to the guy he hates the most in the world, he wants Jon to die above all and he knows that's his last chance. He is a deranged person, not stupid. Oh so he would rather wait for Jon to pay attention then say 'let's have a 1 on 1', giving time to Jon to pick up a shield and then start shooting the shield? You can argue all you like there are plenty of things wrong, you just don't understand the potential of the show to not realise what is wrong, the Sand snakes were introduced and basically were just fillers. One of the most interesting and mysterious people and kingdoms in the entire show, just had no purpose whatsoever, treated like they have no power, and their entire storyline was garbage. The people in that Kingdom won't just allow some girls who don't even have a pure bloodline 'bastards' to kill the legitimate prince on the throne. They'd all be executed immediately. Oh and let's not talk about the bodyguard to the Prince who is one of the greatest warriors to ever exist, just gets taken down like he doesn't even want to save the Princes life. And for what? Because he isn't taking enough action against the Lannisters because his brother lost the Trial by Combat? Trial by Combat which is agreed by all of them to be fair and he lost fair and square. So she decides to blindly just go at war with the most powerful house, not even having a plan at the war. Just kill some innocent kid who had nothing to even do with anything as 'revenge'? So she thinks it's better that she just puts more people in danger like her daughters and loses more people and potentially destroy the Sands forever and this is somehow going to make up for her husbands death? And their idea of war is not having an army, it's just them four trying to take on all of the Lannisters on their own. Then they decided that the story was going nowhere and just killed all of them while they did nothing at all since they came into power. I could list plenty of terrible plot lines, this is just one.
@@MrTVx99 I seriously think you're grossly exaggerating. Because if you truly believed everything after season 3 was trash and yet you continued watching, it makes you look insane. Remember "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." I don't think you're insane but I do think you are being intellectually dishonest. The Sand Snakes did eventually broker a deal with an even more powerful house in house Targaryen. By season 5 everything was starting to fall apart for the Lannisters and it made sense for the Sand Snakes to betray Prince Doran. But I never really cared for them anyway so it wasn't a big deal for me when they ended up the way they did. The show didn't start becoming bizarre until they started abandoning plot points, introducing tons of plot armor, and dumbing down the characters which really started in season 5 with Stannis burning Shireen. But instead of fixing their mistakes the writers got worse and worse until we received the dumpster fire that was season 8. Season 7 is where the cracks started to show but season 8 is when the show cratered.
@@Shamyrl Plenty of people thought season 4 onwards was bad, it was a small minority. But you could find them back when there only was 5 seasons out. Maybe I am insane for expecting the show to become better, I never watched Season 8, season 7 was the final chance I gave them. But also I binge watched the first 5 seasons. Not having read the books, I thought the show was great. But then I started watching Alt Shift X and other channels that goes into depth about how much is going on in the Seven Kingdoms and how deep the history is, but already in Season 5, most of it started being ignored. The little details didn't matter anymore, it was just a plain story. So I didn't really watch 4 seasons, think it was rubbish and then watch one season after the next expecting it to get better. I watched the first 5 seasons all al once, thought it was good, but then the more show analysis videos I watched, the more I realised S4 and S5 are not the same. S6 was a nail in the coffin especially because of the Arya scene against the faceless. That was the worst thing that happened in the show till that point. And then to add insult to injury, when interviewed about the chase, fruits were knocked down and their colours were significant to a hidden storyline. When asked about it, the directors basically just said, 'no idea what that is, we just thought it looks pretty'. It's like they are not paying attention to all the details and don't even care anymore. I planned to stop watching there, which I should have. But then after S7 came out, I saw people talking about how this is the best season ever and S7 started to have some of the highest reviews in the entire show, having reviews higher than the Red Wedding episode, which is ridiculous. So I thought the show writers got a wake up call and decided to make things straight. What I saw is a raven teleporting from the Wall all the way down South and reaching Dany and Dany teleporting all the way up North to save Jon and his men in like 1 day, who just get the biggest plot armour in the world to survive, with the lake as well. My god that annoyed me, they just get put on a perfect bit of lake where the Whitewalkers cannot cross just so they can survive? What is going on... Turns out people just want to see action and fighting and just review the show highly because of that even if it makes no sense. People just want their favourite character to come out on top even at the cost of the story and they just rate it a 10.
the fact that they got SO CLOSE to making the bran plot line good with the idea that he was the one who made the mad king go insane is so incredibly frustrating
i know i'm late here, but i've already heard a theory that previous three-eyed raven (who teached Bran) did this. don't know if it's a part of canon or only a theory. but it sounds more suitable. and there is another idea/theory close to that, it says: all the story since mad king, robert's rebellion, war of 5 kings, bran becoming three-eyed raven, all of this - was his plan to take power (he's now inside bran's body or may be they share it, or their minds fused or something... but bran have said himself that he is not bran stark anymore, if i remember it right). three-eyed raven is from some side-off branch of targaryens, by the way. but i forgot the real name of this character...
@@RayW.... Who said Bran meant to? Just by looking at Hodor in the past he caused him to have a seizure that really fucked up the linguistic parts of his brain. If he managed to say something to the Mad King who knows what might happen.
Um Bongo that was so insulting. I love when strong women can show vulnerability on tv but that felt so ooc for the scene and strange. why did these writers hate women so much lmao I hate them
At first I thought that my heart broke and I was crying bc of what Jamie did to her. Now I believe that the real reason that I cried was bc of how they broke her character
@@jsly6 No. I'd rather see her character given the respect that she had earned throughout the previous series be brought to a self respectable conclusion.
@@gee2541 Hate women is a bit much. Sansa becoming Queen of the North, the Iron Islands have a Queen, Dany was a main character throughout the series. I think it's more fair to say they hated competent writing. They killed Varys in the dumbest way possible, Tyrion became a fucking idiot, Jon lost all character he had. See it's not just the women they screwed over but the men as well. I mean this is a show known for cutting dudes penises off.
Another thing is actually all the Uncle Benjen Story, he disappears in that first expedition, then suddenly re appears as a half dead being, which is never explained and then dies again as it seems and no one cares, not even Jon or Bran who knew about him being "alive". Also when he helps Bran to reach the wall, he tells that the wall has an spell that doesn't allow dead people to cross, but then the Night King just melted it and all the army crossed like if it was nothing, such a disappointment.
This is how the horn of winter comes into it in the books. It’s heavily theorised that the horn will lift the spell on the wall and it will come crumbling down.
When benjen returns to brans aid he clearly explains how he ended up the way he did. The night king also melts a huge part of the wall as you said which i assume is what breaks the spell. I personally think that was a good way to do it as just “crossing it like it was nothing” is a great way to showcase how powerful the night king and army of the dead is.
You forgot the warlocks. Daenerys killed that one in Qarth and then a warlock child tried killing Daenerys with a scorpion at the start of season 3, but after that they were never seen again.
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I forgot about looking into some deleted scenes, but this one in particular reveals Pycelle as being a much more complex character and they dropped it. ua-cam.com/video/Zb-RVIETRCE/v-deo.html
Some other points so far that I've seen are:
Jaime's character Arc
It snowing at Kingslanding at the end of S7
Dany being able to have kids
The Horn Sam Finds at the fist of the first men
The Iron Bank post-war
What happened after bringing a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel
Oberyn having more children
The Iron Islands wanting their independence
Tyrion's disapproving look made towards Dany and Jon having sex
Is winter an actual season or is it just controlled by the night king? Because it ends right after he dies apparently
A good video would definitely be hood advice being ignored in GOT. Also I would love to see these videos about the walking dead
you mean you kind of forgot
The pycelle scene with Tywin really should’ve been in the show, I know they only hinted at it but they really should’ve did a proper reveal for it.
Illyn Payne was taken out as his actor was diagnosed with cancer and he was not killed or recast out of respect, he’s doing just fine now it’s been reported
- snow in king's landing was ash, I think, and the jackass - a joke that is never finished is a super common trope, they usually hope we all believe that the joke was the best one ever, while if they told it at least some people would think it is lame AF.
Some major plot lines that just died were also:
- The faceless men. What they want? They take in Arya, train her, she kills seemingly the only other apprentice and we never see anyone else there either; also Arya was stabbed by a TRAINED KILLER and it ends up 'just a flesh wound' - she is clearly dead after that. We were even shown the brutal stabbing - or was it faked and why? Anyway, their only acolyte at that point leaves and the dude just smirks. They have a plan? An aim at least? A vague vision statement? WHAT??
- The sparrows and the brotherhood and so on, at least two popular movements of common people existed but apparently they just vanish when Cersei blows up High Sparrow (he does not become a martyr to the cause) and Hound leaves. Now they will just smile and nod when new lot of toffs rules over them. Similarly the Lord of Light religion that has been spreading in Westeros has no meaning, even socially if their prophecies are all bunk - will there now be two competing religions? Will that be a source of conflict?
- talking of religion the Northern one does not seem to play much of a role after a while, even though it seems to be the other one that actually works somehow, what with the 3 eyed raven and all that jazz. There's also some teasing about the mysteries of the far North, what with them digging up the horn mentioned, but once the wildlings move south of the wall, that's all she wrote. Vargs never come up again; both Jon and Arya show signs of having the ability but never develop it.
- Winter is now not coming and no-one is starving because preparations were not made due to all the fighting. I guess seasons are all Night King's doing, but a bit of an explanation would have been nice. Has the climate now permanently shifted?
- The Maesters, they seemed to also have something cooking and they definitely had an inordinate amount of books and knowledge they hoard, but in the story they just exist to give Sam some exposition, grudgingly at that.
- The cursed ruins of Old Valyria, I think this is a lesser one, but it still seems odd that it was brought up, a few times, and we never then get anything of it. I did think that is where Drogon went (could Bran have said that? It would have been at least tying up a plot line somewhat.)
The whitewalkers end up having zero impact on the plot, in fact almost all of Westeros is unaware by the end of the series that they were even a thing
There is literally a single fight with the white walkers, at Hardhome. Other than that they just watch...
Just like it it wasn't significant anywhere but in the North that the White Walkers came at the time of Brandon the Builder. They were only considered fairitales told to scare the children in the north. In a very short time it will all be forgotten and people will once again laugh about the superstitious northerners. Back to normal! Perfect plot! Beating the White Walkers was not a problem by the sole reason that Arya was lead to TNK by Melissandre. That "little" detail was the difference between total destruction of Westeros and everything being blown off as a fairytale after a short while. Epic! They should have used the repeated symbolis though, maybe not solved it but made an effort. Maybe it wasn't anything, but someone should at least have tried.
Knut Henrik Sommer perfect except...
- winter immediately disappears even though it’s not tied to the whitewalkers
- winter is meant to be continuous darkness, not just on typical night with some light snow
- the long night occurred everywhere through Westeros and even affected Essos, which is why legends of Azor Ahai are so widespread in the East and all of this occurred before the Andals arrived in Westeros which is why the legends (even of the children of the forest) aren’t much known and for the Andals the wall has always been there. The threat of the whitewalkers return was that it was going to affect everyone - not just the north, it was the anvil of magic that was about to smash down on the people of Westeros who believed none of it - and by the end of the series they never saw it, not any magic of any kind.
- the story never references the whitewalkers again after their demise, which is a complete disservice to the existential threat they’re met to represent (the threat that was supposed to catch Westeros off guard but they never learned of)
- Arya’s storyline throughout the series has no connection at all to the whitewalkers and the showrunners admitted in interviews that they selected Arya only because people weren’t expecting it
- Melisandrei’s prophecy is contextually about the faceless men, not the whitewalkers, and is changed during the episode to fit with the situation
- Melissandrei’s prophecy to Arya completely contradicts her belief in Azor Ahai which she’s held throughout the entire series and has operated on
- there is no payoff to R’hilor, Azor Ahai or the prince that was promised
- no explanation is provided for why the whitewalkers wanted the three eyed raven, in fact no explanation is ever given of the three eyed raven and it lends nothing to the endgame and turns out to be entirely superfluous
- the series offers no explanation as to who the children of the forest were or why, if they had the ability to create the whitewalkers, they didn’t posses the skills to perform that magic themselves and how any of this ties into the need to kill the three eyed raven
- how killing Bran/three eyed raven has anything to do with destroying the memory of the world when books and Oldtown exist (ie the explanation made no sense at all)
- how the night king can be resistant to dragon fire but weak against dragon glass, which is made from dragon fire...
The thing was an absolute narrative disaster and the whitewalker plot has zero impact on anything else in the story, despite being the existential threat. They were supposed to be the endgame, not a footnote
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The White Walkers wanted the three eyed Raven to erase the human memory, as said by Bran in 8x2.
There are constant signs that the winter is caused by the coming of the White Walkers, the ground freezes repedetly every time before they come.
If the writers wrote in the part about Arya they did an exellent job, despite what they or anyone else thinks. It's common that readers like a work better than the writer. "The process" by Kafka is an exellent example, he forbade its publication. I love it, and it has been considered the most important literary work of the 20. century.
The making of the White Walkers by the children has to do with the signs, one of the plots that should have been developed, but I hope they would have kept some of it unexplained.
The three-eyed Raven is something they call a mystery, it is very common in litterature to keep mysteries unsolved. If you read the classic litterature, especially the religious one, it is filled with unsolved mystery.
Jon was the prince that was promised. The series more than indicates that he leaves beyond the wall as legend tells. What happens with him is left to imagination.
Disagree with it being a narrative disaster and I have yet to meet anyone who think that in my network of fellow litterary scholars. Some of my computer-science and engeneering friends hates how the story progress, so I guess that is a matter of pure subjective opinion. It was simply not a story of your taste, I loved it.
I think the series could have slightly improved by two or three more episodes connected to the subject of the connection btw. the faceless men and the Lord of light. Not necessarily answers, just more indication like more interaction btw Arya and Melissandre. Didn't finish reading the books, they were too exhausting to read for me. The TV-series were far more interesting, but that is pure subjective opinion, not something it is meaningful to argue for.
Also: I don't disagree with everything critizised in the video, only the times that every time something is left unexplained it is a disaster. This is to me a story, not an introduction to science, mythology, religion and history in an alternate universe.
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'The White Walkers wanted the three eyed Raven to erase the human memory, as said by Bran in 8x2.'
- which doesn't make sense, despite them offering it as an answer. Destroying the three eyed raven wouldn't erase human memory (as the aforementioned books and oldtown would contest), furthermore according to the show's lore (which is problematic) the whitewalkers were created by the children of the forest to kill the first men. This is problematic because a) the children didn't posses the skills that the bestowed on someone else? b) the children are joined with the three eyed raven c) the three eyed raven does not posses all of humanity's memory as its powers extend only as far as the weirwood trees and they were all cut down by the andals everywhere past the boundry to the north (and the gods eye which isn't referenced in the show) d)neither the whitewalkers or wights chased down bran after the previous three eyed raven was killed despite supposedly being able to track him, in fact they went the opposite direction, and e) the whitewalkers weren't employed to destroy the andals...despite them being the worse threat for the children. This is why the explanation came under intense scrutiny when it was offered last year - because it doesn't hold weight.
'There are constant signs that the winter is caused by the coming of the White Walkers, the ground freezes repedetly every time before they come.
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That was a last minute change. Winter always occurs on and off, even the oldest Stark children lived through a winter. The Long Night was the first and only appearance of the whitewalkers, despite winter occuring before and after - they aren't tied to the seasonal change. Even the show keeps with this rule for most of its run every time it relays history about winter, until they do an abrupt 180 in season 8 and winter just magically ends (in fact it was worse in season 5 with stannis than in season 8 with the whitewalkers, and the snow in king's landing at the end of season 7 is vanished come season 8 - the show is incredibly inconsistent with its depiction of winter).
'If the writers wrote in the part about Arya they did an exellent job, despite what they or anyone else thinks. It's common that readers like a work better than the writer. "The process" by Kafka is an exellent example, he forbade its publication. I love it, and it has been considered the most important literary work of the 20. century.
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You haven't actually offered an explanation there as to why you think the Arya reveal is excellent (despite having no thematic or story throughline which renders it an inorganic subversion which is precisely what the writers explained it was - a random surprise twist with no foundation). You also have conveniently overlooked all of the problems I highlighted with Arya being at all involved in the resolution for the whitewalkers (and we haven't even touched on the scene itself where she magically gets through an army of undead and whitewalkers, across metres and metres of snow unseen and magically leaps from the air)
'The making of the White Walkers by the children has to do with the signs, one of the plots that should have been developed, but I hope they would have kept some of it unexplained.'
The signs were a creation of the show, they don't exist in the source material. They were mostly likely employed only as a visual aid.
'The three-eyed Raven is something they call a mystery, it is very common in litterature to keep mysteries unsolved. If you read the classic litterature, especially the religious one, it is filled with unsolved mystery.
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Religious literature is not exactly something that's going to be praised as quality literature - I wouldn't lean too much on it. The three-eyed raven demands an explanation if it is to be relied upon as the driving point of the whitewalkers (for some reason) and Bran's entire storyline. There is no payoff to any of it - it doesn't offer an explanation as to who he is (unlike the source material), he's not even given a name, his abilities are given no context or boundaries (despite the weirdwood mythology), his abilities are given no payoff (they don't contribute at all to the plot, not even against the whitewalkers and Bran's completely unexplained 'departure' during the winterfell attack, and there's no follow up to Bran's ability to affect time). In fact, the demonstration and use of the three eyed raven in GOT is a deus ex machina - which is nothing but contrived and certainly not a positive for any story in any medium.
'Jon was the prince that was promised. The series more than indicates that he leaves beyond the wall as legend tells. What happens with him is left to imagination.'
The prince that was promised is suggested in the source material as being relevant to Azor Ahai, however, in the show it is directly connected. The prince that was promised in the show is supposed to bring the dawn, supposed to wield lightbringer, is supposed to sacrifice the most important thing to obtain lightbringer, is supposed to emerge from salt and smoke (could have been Theon that ticked all those boxes but they blew up that possibility), etc. Jon isn't even confirmed as the prince that was promised with Daenerys being raised as a possibility with the valyrian noun being gender neutral - however, none of this matters because Arya kills the night king...which destroys the prince that was promised prophecy, the azor ahai prophecy, anything related to r'hilor including all of the red priests/priestesses, and even on Arya's part the faceless men play no role in it whatsoever (the last time she uses that is against the Freys and it otherwise, like the three eyed raven, plays no part in the overall story and is completely superfluous). A good story, and good storytelling, ties things together and adds purpose to the proceedings within the story - Arya's training as a faceless man should have paid off by the end of the story for her as a character or for the overarching narrative, same with Jon and the whitewalkers, same with Bran and the three eyed raven. The only attempt they made to render something meaningful is when they paid off Daenerys' vision of the throne room and the snow/ash.
'Disagree with it being a narrative disaster and I have yet to meet anyone who think that in my network of fellow litterary scholars'
This is a television series, not a novel - these are entirely different mediums and a teleplay is certainly not scholarly literature (I have concerns for your prestige group of scholars if this is the material you dedicate yourself towards celebrating).
'Some of my computer-science and engeneering friends hates how the story progress, so I guess that is a matter of pure subjective opinion'
...which renders your description of everyone's education entirely random and pointless.
I accept that you might love it and opinion is certainly subjective, which is all fine. I would have loved to have enjoyed it, but alas I could not and the reception has been largely negative as I'm sure you have seen, read and heard. However, narrative consistency and logic is a measurable attribute for a story irrespective of its medium and this is where subjective opinion does not have a place.
'I think the series could have slightly improved by two or three more episodes connected to the subject of the connection btw'
Myself, I don't think time was what they needed - with the time they had they wasted much of it with pointless scenes and extended silence. There was filler in the six episode final run which had no place being there, and for every scene of a character making a quip we were robbed of deserving scenes such as the Starks reuniting, the reaction of them learning Jon's origin, etc. emotional payoff that was earned but never delivered by the series (in fact Jon's revelation and reaction was skipped over for a scene where Bronn threatens to kill Jaime and Tyrion which is then played for laughs and just as easily could have been excised along with the preceding scene of him being offered the task - both of which added nothing to the story nor influenced anything else).
'Didn't finish reading the books, they were too exhausting to read for me'
You were just detailing about your fellow group of literary scholars and you couldn't finish the books? That raises a lot of questions but you're right, we needn't waste time on that.
'Also: I don't disagree with everything critizised in the video, only the times that every time something is left unexplained it is a disaster. This is to me a story, not an introduction to science, mythology, religion and history in an alternate universe.'
The fantasy genre needn't explain magic, that's intrinsic to the genre and what separates it from science fiction. However, George RR Martin wrote A Song of Ice and Fire to challenge the conventions of fantasy narratives and beautifully detailed a world that was traced on real life events and cultures - the material was there for the showrunners to use but they elected instead to ignore it. What we have in the end is a story that wend big and yet couldn't bring itself together in the end - disparate storylines and rules of the universe abandoned (one need only look at the Dothraki culture that is detailed in the first season and forgotten by the last - their fear and hatred of magic, their bloodrider oaths, their famed archery on horseback; by the end they let a witch light all of the weapons on fire, never employed any archery and never avenged their Khalessi or follow her into the grave as their oath demands).
A complete story is judged by how its ends, like anything in life it's not about the ingredients that go in but what they turn into afterwards.
Jaime kind of forgetting that he killed the Mad King to save the innocents of Westeros and saying "I never really cared for them...innocent or otherwise..."
Re-watch the show. (To appreciate the actor's job with Jaime.) Jaime has a "tough-guy" act when he needs it. He tries to drop it, to tell the truth about what happened to people like Ned. (Who reject his truth anyway.) It's only rarely, like with Brienne, that he's being authentic. The dumb thing about this scene - is that Tyrion buys the tough-guy act. He should know his brother by now.
Kathryn Davidson But why would he put a tough-guy act in front of Tyrion, a guy he knows too well?
that is more a out of character moment, sort of like Danny burning innocent lives in kings landing for no reason or Tyrion being an idiot telling women and children to take shelter in the crypts knowing the Night king raise people from death.
I think what he meant was he didn’t care about anyone really except for Cersei, that’s what they were trying to get across they just did it terribly
I think Jaime was really just posturing there.
Hodor might be the only character who fulfilled his destiny
Theon also.
And the hound
Hodor
Hodor
Hold the door!
Tyrion’s story of …”I once brought a jackass and honeycomb into a brothel” is never finished or explained.
The amount of time he repeats the line is so unbelievably cringe.
Here’s the joke continued: The Madame asked, "what can we do for you?"
I said, "I need a woman to lay with, for mine has left me."
The Madame asked "You poor thing; whatever for? And why do you have a jackass and a honeycomb?"
"Well," I answered, "my woman stumbled upon a genie in a bottle, and he granted her 3 wishes. The first was to have the nicest ass in the land, so he gave her this jackass. Her second wish was for a 'house fit for a queen', so he gave her this beehive."
The Madame asked, "And what of the third wish?"
"For her third wish, my woman asked the genie to make my cock hang down past my knee."
"Well, that one's not so bad!" the Madame exclaimed.
"'Not so bad!?', I replied, "I used to be 6 feet tall!"
it can be found in the books, it was a joke about wishes and being careful what you wish for. . . mostly just a short joke
Well there's actually a hidden meaning behind it. He says it three times throughout the show. First as Lysa's prisoner, then he tried to tell it to Missandei and Grey Worm before being interuppted, then of course at the end. And D&D never having Tyrion finishing the joke, was masterfully crafted to be reminiscent of how they forget to finish all of these plotlines.
Know thee so little of the tales of a mystical land named "Tiajuana"? The unfolding of this riddle require that thou know said animal be also called a donkey, and it is told that in far away places...Um, I'm not going there, but...
To be fair for the Ser Ilyn Paine storyline, the reason he was written out of the show is because the actor was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer that was deemed terminal. He survived, but by then it was too late.
Well, I'm really happy that the man survived, dont get me wrong. But we have already seen AT LEAST 2 recasts (Beric Dondarrion and Daario Naharis) on major characters.
I guess they could at least cast someone else to do justice to Arias Kill List...
Θανάσης Ρίτσας it was really a thing more out of respect. And the only other time he was used in the book was to train Jamie after his hand is cut off. Bronn was a good substitute for it anyway.
@@rithanrithan8288 the mountain was recast MULTIPLE times lol. also tommen literally being a different lannister earlier on. considering that he wasn't written out of the story they could have brought him back or recast him when he was in the clear.
Wyatt Martin thing is, the point of those scenes in the book arent jamie and ilyn training. The point is that Jamie now has someone who can listen but not talk and therefore this allows Jamie to spill his darkest secrets to the reader in fits of rage. I get that they dont want to re-cast out of respect but not getting to see these scenes still blows
Youri you right you right. Gotta respect both points of view
Jon and sansa after rickon's death :
-Jon:"sooo , shouldn't we be sad about him?"
-Sansa:"nah , i didn't like him that much anyway"
Nazim Ouachek Jon: “I mean-I guess we didn’t really know him that well”
Sansa: “yea I kinda saw it coming-plus if he couldn’t zig-zag his death is on him”
Jon: “facts”
TBF they already thought he was dead didnt they?
Dani Walmsley doesn’t mean you don’t mourn him
All they had to show was them collecting his body from the field
Innaccurate, as soon as they saw the body, Sansa fed Ramsey to hounds straight after
@Firstname Lastname dont think so, the whole point of that history book scene is that the baratheon bloodline is dominant genetically so roberts children should all have dark hair even if his woman(cersei) was light haired. "the seed is strong"
The voice in the fire said," Beware of bad writing." He didn't listen.
Oh mann, who said that?
"The writing is bad and full of plot holes."
knowing how D&D like foreshadowing i'd say "Dracarys"
Omgggggggg don’t kill me
He did listen.
Thats why he became master of wispers, trying to find it so he could do something.
Bran's abilities being totally ignored was one of the oddest things for me.
Bran was the oddest thing. He was so creepy and weird. The previous three eyed raven was stuck to a tree for centuries and he was still 10x more normal than Bran.
@@1992jamobrans actor just looked like a freak too 😂 idk how a cute kid could grow into such a weird looking dude
They bungled every single magical thing about the series.
I cant be the only one expecting him to warg into one of the dragons!? especially when the the three-eyed-raven told him he will be able to fly
Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?
Actually there is a meaning to the Whitewalker symbols. Their swirling shape represent GoT’s final season and all of its character development swirling down the drain.
Bam!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 best explanation!!
brilliant
i love it
Yeah it's like the numbers in Lost
Damn😂😂
“Why do you think I came all this way”
Was without a doubt the final twist of the knife into the back of every GoT fan
Typical politician.
in a way everything happened because Bran wanted to be king. kinda fucked up.
@Shannen T
Unless Bran planned it all, he was the evil and night king was just trying to stop him.
@@jeckjeck3119 Exactly. He is Brinden RIvers (Blood Raven) now, not Bran any more. He gets new body for his mind and his abilities and now he can reign the 7 kingdoms as he likes.
I was absolutely gutted!
When Aria forgets that she’s an assassin, and screams with her knife behind the night king...it’s like a C-tier anime
She literally teleported behind the Night King. The whole thing was so silly, D&D should've just went ahead and had her say "Nothing personal, kid" before stabbing him.
@@Nostalgia_Addict in the scene before that Aria was escaping bunch of undeads. So I thought she took one of their faces, and disguised herself as an undead to get close to the Night King. At least that's how I tried to make sense of the assassination
The screaming part was silly though
@@tanzvideosfrankfurt4881 on the set they had her perched on a box so she could jump at the night king actor from above. So where exactly is this supposed "above"?
Who?
I assumed she jumped out of a tree, although you can't really see one. But the scream is deliberate surely - so that he turns around and she can stab him in the front whilst he's holding her.
The fact that the Dothraki were notoriously against witchcraft really sticks with me when Melisandre lights their blades.
I don’t care how devoted they were to their khaleesi, it’s just dumb that none of them immediately recoiled with disgust.
😂😂😂
They just merk the red priestess and go back to their boats 😂
The worst part of that scene is the Dothraki riding off into the darkness alone to fight the horde. It makes zero sense considering the night king can immediately raise them from the dead and make his attacking force larger.
you make a damn good point
Imagine you are a primitive Dothraki and some kind of witch or god lights your blade, you will be like Wooooaaaaa!!!
Glad I binged the entire show in two weeks. It's not as disappointing when you only invest a couple weeks, vs 8 years😂
rewatching it you can actually see which scenes follow books and which follows stupid D&D
10-11 years haha you didnt factor all the time between each season.
Try being a fan of the books....
Same here, I just finished
😔 must be nice
The audience remembers
If only I could forget
420th like swag
Lol If they did, then there would've been more likes and comments. Guess no one remembers.
@@mobbs6426 fr I’m addicted
@@mobbs6426 looool
The worst abandoned plot lone was Jon Snow being a Targaryen.
Kyle nooooo the white walkers
It wasn't abandoned, dipshit.
I think the point for that was for Dany to have another reason to go mad, but it was just written to poorly
@@kurtrivero368 It was.
Since the early season they were talking about the prince was promised and the unity of fire and ice. All went to shit. All that build up.
it wouldve been interesting if bran caused the mad king to go mad. the mad king kept repeating "burn them all" which couldve been about burning bodies to prevent white walkers
This would have been so perfect!
Nice one!
@@suzehartmanThe fan base theorized better writing than the show was able to deliver. They prioritized surprising with with something unexpected, over giving us something good.
@@no-barknoonan1335 it's the surprising nature of this show that makes it appealing in the first place, I don't think the show itself was good at all after S4
"why do you think I came all this way?"
mate you were CARRIED
hahaha
LOL, I'm dead XD
😂😂😂😂
carried by the showrunners
He still went that way. And he had a wheelchair, so he didn't have to be carried all the way.
"I can never be lord of anything."
"Aye, but what about the king of everything?"
"lmao lit fam sure hit me up"
"I can't be a lord of anything? You're talking to me? I am Brann Mother****ing Stark. Now shot the f*** up or I will turn you into Hodor!"
This just made Bran seem like a manipulative bastard.
Rievaulx brans true purpose all along
Lmaoo that’s like “hey can I borrow a pencil?” “Sorry fam, don’t have any” “damn, what about a pen?” “Sure thing bro good thing you asked” LIKE WHAT. YOU CANNT BE LORD YOU CANNOT BE KING. also he has a CREEP smile at the end
Kayleigh Kinzey I think he edited the smile lmao
It’s funny how the writers abandoned the show when they could direct Star Wars and then Disney abandoned them because they abandoned this.
Disney's redemption arc lol
I like that this happened to them. They rushed that entire season only to get dumped by Disney. Beautiful outcome
IRONY
@@yourmum69_420 nah fuck Disney
I hope they either never get work again, or they took a deep dive into their psyche and learn their lesson.
I can’t believe they stopped the show at season 5 and never made more seasons
Season 4, you oaf. Season 5 was trash
@@pyropulseIXXI hardhome was pretty great tbh
There’s a 5th season?!
@@pyropulseIXXI geez calm 😂
@@mahnboichild Was it really **that** great, though? It was just a typical hollywood action scene where the bad guys immediately kill the NPCs, then only inflict non-mortal damage on Jon. The cool parts were learning that Valyrian steel kills the Others (which I liked more from a book reader's perspective, as that is still a mystery) and the Night King/Jon staredown at the end. It was certainly good, but I've seen people list it as the best GoT episode solely for that scene. Otherwise, the rest of the season was pure garbage.
I was actually pretty irritated that none of the Stark children really acknowledged Rickons death. After being separated for years and finally reuniting, there's never any mention or sadness about the baby of the family being dead. Especially from Bran since he and Rickon were the closest.
Because nobody cares about him lol
People barely cared about him when he was alive lol
Bran’s character annoyed me the most! The stupid stare ugh
Maybe because he’s not actually dead in the story? Directors didn’t have a clue what to do with him so just kill him. Wasn’t an important plot event because they pulled it out Of a hat
When it was originally out, it took me 3 seasons to even realise that there was another Stark after Bran lmao poor Rickon 💀💀💀
In summary: “We kinda forgot there were plotlines at all.”
GOT is Riverdale with dragons.
"Plot? We thought you said pot, so we smoked it all before writing the script for season 8."
@@cadMeFromLife not true at all, a pot fueled high would definitely produce a decent script.
@@admontblanc You've obviously never been sober around stoned people when they think they are being deep....
Drawn art may come out looking cool, but a script for 10 hours of TV would come out a garbled mess. Much like we got.
Nice!
Bran accidentally creating the mad king would have been the best usage of his abilities affecting the past. There was so much potential there to blow our minds.
I actually like the idea that the Mad King wasn’t totally mad. His most trusted advisors were in fact plotting behind his back and he was kidnapped and tortured before Barristan saved him. A prequel show focused on him would be a lot of fun.
@@goldelite72 house Targaryen is coming out soon.
I'm subscribed to the theory that bran/the old three eyed raven changed things in the past in such a way that the three eyed raven would always be chosen to be the new king of westeros
Yeah, but it would require too much effort for these lazy writers (including GRRM).
It was clearly better to have had Hodor spazzing out instead
Game of Thrones went from being the greatest television series of all time to completely forgotten by pop culture in the span of a few months. I don't think there has ever been a bigger fall from grace.
Rollerblades
Then Aot appeared
Maybe tommen taking a header off the red keep
Jaime redeeming himself, only to have all of his character development erased by going to Cersei
@@rogierb5945 I agree
@@rogierb5945 Sad but true.
@@rogierb5945 Agreed. While the Jamie's story are was not popular, it was at least believable....his eternal struggle to change, but in the end he succumbed to his ties to family and his sister. It was one of the (very few) better moments of the final episodes.
@@rogierb5945 I totally agree, but I think that (for me) the big problem for the Jamie plot is that they ''built'' that relationship with Brienne and I thought the sex scene was like the finally redemption and restar for his life and at least die like a ''good guy'' but....nop...same night he fucks off
@@davethepak personally, Jamie is my favorite character. He shows the widest range of character development out of anyone.
Bran being the voices inside the mad king's head would have been such a good plot twist with proper explanation of why he did it holy shit
NO, it would be retarded as time travel makes no sense
but why would he do that?
@@ecemkaplan8188 for azor ahai to exist
@@ecemkaplan8188 Bran wouldn´t do it on purpose. He didn´t fuck Hodors mind on purpose.
Bran also tryied to communicate with Ned in the Tower of Joy, he felt his presence.
Imagine him trying to explain to the mad king what he had to do to the wights and Kings Landing corpses "burn them all".
@@filiperocha4025 yeah got is so wasted with these writers
I don't mind them leaving some questions unanswered but the final scene with Bran, Sam, Davos and Bron as the small council looks and feels like an SNL sketch
And Bronn - the dude who's been spending money like fire burning wood became the master of coin. How ridiculous is that? It seems the writer was out of good characters to use so they filled in what they got.
Bran the broken becoming the king of the sixth kingdom is not the best way this whole series could’ve ended. Hate me all if you guys want to but in my opinion I hardly even cared for bran the entire series. They night king killing everybody would’ve been a way better ending even and would’ve had way more meaning behind it but Arya had to kill off one of the biggest characters GOT created because of D & D. It would’ve been a better message to if the night king killed everybody like no matter how much power you have you can’t escape death
@@TLinnNguyen more like the budget got short and we have to be involved in other things ( Star Wars ) so let’s just pick a way outta the hat and see how it ends. ( picks bran the broken ending ) D&D ,” well shittt bran the broken it is , let’s just throw some shitty lines in and make none of it make sense and bam we gotta ending and we can go work on Star Wars now “ 😂
@@austinbradshaw4081 lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@austinbradshaw4081 The problem was never the budget getting short. HBO offered D&D as many seasons as they wanted, they were specifically pushing for at least 10 seasons, if not more, since GOT was basically a license to print money, while D&D wanted to just do 7 seasons total, so they eventually came to a compromise of 8 seasons with the final two seasons having fewer episodes. D&D just wanted to have it over and done with, which I can understand, but I'll never be able to fathom why they didn't just pass the showrunner role onto someone else in the production who wanted it. That way they could have left to make Star Wars, or whatever, and we'd still have the potential for a halfway decent ending to the show. 🤷♂️
I always thought the Nymeria scene represented how both Arya and Nymeria became free/wild on their own. The fate of the dire wolves always mirrored that of the Starks so Nymeria is following how Arya left to adventure
Lady was killed, Sansa was not…
@@SuupaaSaiya-jin but the 'lady' in Sansa was killed. She's a queen now.
@@ria1110 that’s actually true!
@@SuupaaSaiya-jin what about Summer? Summer was killed and Bran is still alive. Even though he was useless and supposedly "died" in the cave
@@Snikerpiker1 Summer died and winter came
The plot line where Danny goes from place to place freeing slaves, killing evil people, and asserting that she doesn't want to be the queen of the ashes, and then in one episode does a 180.
Gurujot Singh Khalsa exactly. All of a sudden she is so evil she must be killed...by her lover....and it is supposed tobe a good ending?
Also they already won the war so it was litterly for no reason
I think they rush it. I think that Dany going mad is very probable and likely because her father was the Mad King and some mental issues are inheritable. Also the Targaryens were an inbreeding house and inbreeding makes mental issues even more likely.
@@stork2230 yea I was definitely waiting for Danny to go mad, especially because of the whole flip of a coin thing. But instead of doing it overtime, it all happened in one episode
I love Dany, but this turn around to mad queen is justifiable. Her first instincts in previous seasons is to use her "very large armies" and "very large dragons." When tested by her enemies, she resorts to wanting to destroy them with fire and blood. With that kind of thought process and losing basically everyone she cares for, what else might she do? She's been built up in the series to be such a do gooder hero type of character. She talks about all the trauma she's endeovered and how it's made her so sure she belongs in the iron throne. She definitely has the mechanics of an unstable ruler. I think her counselors kept her on a good path. She has the potential to be very good and very bad. I wish they would have let it evolve maybe a couple episodes longer. Only because I enjoyed her as a baddie.
The whole GOT show makes me so upset. They set it up so well, even when it was falling apart we all hoped they would fix it and give it the spectacular ending it deserved. But they didn’t. The writer’s had two inflated egos. They had some incredible actors. The props team was top notch. They could do anything they wanted with the CGI. And their budget was through the roof. And they threw at all away and disappointed all the fans. Still irritates me.
I read this in the voice of George Costanza.
It's insane how the egos of these 2 and some actors wanting to do other stuff ruined it and look what happened Sansa sucked in dark Phoenix and the star wars deal D&D were stoked for fell through it will stain most of their careers forever
@@christophergomez499 who in their right mind would want to do "other" things when they're on FUCKING GAME OF FUCKING THRONES. Makes me fume. Who is that bright bulb?
It's almost expected really. Martin has dragged his feet in finishing his story. So when they went past the books, the tone, and voice of the story is different. They stopped adapting and started creating. Something they were not ready for.
@@jordanmc9015 Then they could have easily passed the torch to other writers who were ready. It's not like no one wanted to help create GOT. Instead they butchered it so they could go make their star wars dream reality only to be kicked off that project for butchering GOT. Don't forget HBO offered them 2 more seasons to end GOT
"Why do you think I came all this way"
Probably one of the most annoying lines I've ever heard. 😂
Any fanfic is better at this point.
And his stupid shit-eating grin right afterwards...
@@Hanfgurkenhasser I was pissed and then the grin killed me 😂😂😂
@@lyndsayluxury5345 To be fair after episode 3 of season 8, I didn't take GoT seriously anymore so...same. :D
@@SamuelsBookReviews Season 6 finale was the last true piece of GoT, Winds of Winter was too epic for D&D to keep going, should have put the show on hiatus, sold the syndication to NBC, CBS, or Disney and held out for RR to finish the books.
God the whole situation with Bran saying I can never be lord of anything and then immediately saying “why do you think I came all this way” was just *chef’s kiss*
Well to be fair, I think a lot of people misinterpret this. Yes he literally can’t be lord of anything, because he’s supposed to be King of everything
@@patflann29 exactly! Everyone not "getting it" is extremely frustrating. Even Arya's arc. Her whole arc was about defeating death and she did exactly that by killing the NK. Jon IS the prince that was promised, the PTWP prophecy never said that he'd be the one to kill the NK. Jon brought everyone together for the common cause of battling the NK's army. Don't even get me started on Dany, who didn't even have the chance to go mad before she left Essos because her dragons weren't even big enough for her to ride until after she conquered Mereen. Not to mention the signs that her morals were questionable as well as Jorah always having to calm her down and tell her to not go apeshit on someone and show them mercy. She had no problem killing all of the Khals. They were innocent. They committed no crime. She burned them all because she didn't want to do what she was required to do as a Khaleesi after losing her Khal & stay in Dosh Khaleen. She liked the Dothraki culture enough to continuously call herself Khaleesi, but hated on 90% of their customs & didn't want to partake in one herself - so she burned everyone. If any other character had done this, people would have been condemning it.
@@patflann29he says multiple times he doesn’t want anything. Not only that he says he can’t be lord of anything when being king is the ultimate lord of everything.
@@mamsy1169 10 months later do you still believe all this crap?
*Bran being the 3-eyed raven*
I mean he literally had no contribution in the long night except for getting Theon killed.
He also gave Arya the dagger, but it didn't really matter because there were plenty of dragonglass weapons around.
Plus anyone who has read the books knows that it's the "3 Eyed Crow", not -Raven. And Ravens and Crows are very different creatures symbolically.
Bloodraven may actually be the 3 Eyed Crow, but it's not likely after his confusion to the name when Bran calls him it in ADWD.
*Reek
@@xanthippus3190 Not Theon....Reek
You’re a good man
The forgotten plotlines in GoT are like when you play a videogame and accept every sidequest, but then only complete the main story.
I never beat morrowind,oblivion or skyrim though I spent thousands of hrs
For seven seasons we were hyped of "Winter is coming". Well... Winter came and lasted for two hours. Smdh
Real
Also, Stark children remembering Ned and talking about him frequently completely ignoring Catelyn Stark.
She was a Tully not a Stark
@@josephpotter7776 so what? She was their mother, she saw her children getting butchered in front of her..and they chose not to remember her at the least.
@@snivellus15814 I'd reccomend reading the books for a satisfying catelyn story line....SHES NOT DEAD ! Arya finds her while shes warged as her wolf with the pack after the red wedding. (Where rob gets killed)
and their brother, rickon----
She wasn't the friendliest and most outgoing person...
The worst was the build up between Jon and the White Walker King, it made you believe there was going to be an epic fight between them but instead Arya got the kill.
That! Everything built up for that, but it never happened. They could have had Jon fight the Night King in single combat and defeat him with "Lord of Light" powers, fulfilling the "promised prince" prophecy, and later die due to the wounds sustained in the fight, leading to Bran becoming king because he was Jon's only living male relative.
Omg it's like, this is one among hundreds of ideas that fans have thrown out instead of the "canon" one and all of them, and I mean ALL OF THEM are better than what we got, it's infuriating
all because D&D wanted to pull the "subverting our expectations" for the sake of it.
also girlboss
that damn dead dragon can destroy the wall to the north but can't destroy Winterfell's wall while Jon is hiding.. lol
Omg so true
the walker got nerf when they pass the wall, i was seriously wondering how and if they will defeat them, but after the nerf they only need a little girl with a knife
Plus Drogon destroying kings landing like he is a fucking Exodia with missles while doing very little damage to white walkers in the long night battle.
you do have a point here.. remember Harranhall... a castle of stone melted by dragon fire..
Well, he found a magic fireproof rock to hide behind. Yay, plot armor! The big difference between Martin and D&D.
The fact that Gendry also just disappeared for like 5 seasons off rowing his boat XD
While in season 8 they travel across westeros twice within one episode…
And don't forget how Bran didn't appear in Season 5 but somehow won the throne in the end.
The memes of him still rowing as the seasons went on 💀
The memes of him still rowing as the seasons went on 💀
@@andrinehelenkjeldsberg1387 what are you talking about, fast travel was finally unlocked
We still don't know what Podrick did to those girls.
After multiple videos and rewatching numerous times, I THINK the whole secret behind Pod was that he sang to the girls. That’s why they loved him and didn’t take his money.
I liked how they didn't address it though. You could interpret that scene however you want and either way it is a good joke.
😂
@@awesomestuff6477 Yess, exactly. It made everyone wonder what he did yet the directors left it up to the imagination of the viewer which shows that they trust the viewer and don't have to spoon-feed everything to them. Probably one of the few good decisions made in the show.
I think that Littlefinger told them not to take the money to fuck with Tyrion. Petyr was a little pissy at Tyrion for tricking him in Tyrion's plan to root out Cersei's spy on the small council.
4:35 WHAT IF Bran was trying to go back in time DURING the long night battle to get a clue for how they could defeat the night king, and while he was there, the background noise of the battle “burn them all” interfered during his teleporting and that’s how the mad king heard the noise which was really of the future battle and thought it was to be applied to his current kingdom
Another one: Daenerys' fertility plot. They make her lose Drago's baby and then make the witch tell her that she can never have children, and she believes it, and then Jon even tells her that maybe it wasn't true. And for what? It never has any impact or resolution. what a massive waste of a good story
Maaan I remember being so hyped for this, I legit thought they'd have children and ta daa Targaryen lineage would continue
Damn producers :(
I thought for sure the series would end with Dany getting Pregnant with Jon Snows child. The reason why she can’t have children is because she is half dragon, half human. But she gets a REI fusion of Targaryen DNA through Jon.
Idk one can wish. It would connect why Targaryens always wed and bred each other.
how could I forget about the fact that Bran HIMSELF says he can never be lord of anything and then ends up on the throne I'm disgusted again
Wiliam Forsythe “Bran the Broken, first of his name. King of the Andals and the First Men. LORD of the Six Kingdoms, and protector of the realm.”
You must not be very bright.
Wiliam Forsythe damn ur so worked up over this lol
Wiliam Forsythe we aren’t talking about the real world you autistic little twit.
Wiliam Forsythe If you had the IQ you claim you’d understand that Bran meant he can’t rule ANYTHING. The conversation they had was about Lords sure but come on any retard should know what he meant
Wiliam Forsythe You immediately talk rude to people over the internet for no reason . You must be a little prick.
“Why do you think I came all this way?”
I hate that line with every essence of my being.
When I watched this I was like "???? Well, explain it, it's not effing obvious!"
So do I, that arrogant little shit...
It dosent even make any sense, he then later goes on to say he didn’t want to be king like wtf😭
Bran was actually the creepiest character in GOT, like remember when he told sansa about how she was looking beautiful the night she got raped.
Same.
You just be like "dude, you did absolutely NOTHING"
Maybe beside making so many characters die for you and not using your "amazing powers" in any circumstance. "All job done, cool, I could never be a lord, but I will mercifully agree to be a king of 6 kingdoms".
And the moment he goes to look for the dragon at the end. Wtf... Like...didn't you have time to do that before or after the council? Good timing to use your talent, bro.
What about Jorah saying that the dragons were wild and could never be tamed… just to have them be incredibly well trained and obedient from that episode on 😭
I wouldn't say 'tamed'. They just do what their mother tells them. And Tyrion being the intelligent person that he is managed to bribe them once.
you forgot the most important plot line in the entire show.... Where is the breastplate stretcher
How long you think before they figure it out?
Never
It took 2 seasons to figure it out for him.... :P
Omg I am literally LOL
1 season and they all forgot the Breastplate Stretcher. SMH. Best character in the show.
Cerci just staring out windows was one of my biggest annoyances because she was always doing something, plotting, blackmailing, but when her life is in danger she's going to stare at some water and drink wine.
Cersei in general on season 7 and 8, is just there for the sake of having a "villain". It's just surreal how she can just blow up the sept and not enrage King's Landing population, which is known to revolt pretty violently when unhappy.
you literally just repeated what they said in the video
@@alvaromneto Probably the showrunners merged the character of Cersei with someone who appears in the books but not in the show. I won't say the name to not make a spoiler but let's just say in the books Cersei probably won't be sitting in the Iron Throne at any moment
Well it's better than staring at wine and drinking water I guess.
@@rschroev fair point 🤣
Rickon was such a forgettable character that even his own family couldn't even bother to remember him for 95% of the show
sick name
Even I forgot about him 😂
Who?
I didn’t even know he was a stark until the Bolton’s caputured him
i didnt know he existed until he was dead
I think Bran being the reason the Mad King went crazy wouldve been amazing. Maybe during the final Battle as he worgs someone is screaming "Burn them all" which causes the King to seem mad and launch the events that lead to the show. But unfortunately D&D have proved they were never clever or bold enough to pull that off
for these years I read so many great fan-made plot twists (including yours) that I just composed the last season from this in my head and pretended to forgot about original at all.
@@ay3336 best way to exprience Game of Thrones in its true sense
The biggest plot line they fucked up is Jon Snow being groomed to be the "Chosen One" of the show. They slowly built him up to be this huge and important guy. He dies and is brought back by the Lord of Light which makes him the "Prince that was Promised". He gets named the "White Wolf" and the new "King in the North" just to have him randomly decide to bend the knee to Danny for....reasons...We later find out that he's Aeogon Targaryen and TECHNICALLY the true heir to the Iron Throne. So many wasted storylines and potential.
BlackDragon0712 yeah he essentially gets boiled down to just someone who’s banging Dany so therefore can be alone with her and able to kill her. Nice one, anyway back to the wall with you, back to season 1!
@@him050 Exactly. And so many people on other videos keep trying to defend that garbage ending.
That was right where the books ended and the new show writers took over. Now the new writers had GRRM's input so I'm sure he told them some upcoming plot points such as Jon Snow getting resurrected and being a Targaryen. But they immediately pivoted away to try to create nothing but strong female characters. That's when the show began to focus on Dany, Sansa, Cersi, Yara, and the Sand Snake sisters. I'm 100% convinced that the show writers were planning to have Dany end as queen with Sansa getting set up as the future threat. But GRRM stepped in at the last moment and said that Bran ends as king so they quickly had to flip Dany's character 180 degrees into a bloodthirsty tyrant. It was painfully obvious when the final 3 episodes in the "previously on" segment at the beginning were solely focused on how Dany was a Targaryen and Tyrion saying that "coin flip at birth" line like 100 times despite Dany basically being a paragon of all things good before (yes she made rash executions as a young leader, but they always offset it with an advisor counseling her and it turning into a growth learning moment afterwards to show her development into a better more just and fair ruler). FWIW I think that the books will not end with Sansa as the independent Queen of the North or Yara as Queen of the Isles. I think that was GRRM making a concession to the show writers to give them the female heros they wanted. A lot of the plot points getting watered down was because they just ran out of time and had to cram everything into a "final season."
I don't think so the prophecy of Azora ahi the last thing he did was kill his wife in order to temper the sword lightbringer in order to prevent the darkness from spreading however recall it stated he was miserable in the end no where did it say he would become a king. I can see self imposed punishment of going beyond the Wall. the honest truth beyond the wall was where he was the most free,.. if you noticed he was also called The Prince who was promised not the king
@@MrBelfering the honest truth Sansa is a toss-up ,she parallels Queen Elizabeth 1 a fair bit. Especially when you read about her early years before she became Queen. Yara or should I say book ASHA was changed in full to meet today's new standards which is a pity because the book version was a strong.it's a pity if they really wanted to focus on a female in charge Arianne should not have been cut
"They just completely abandoned Rickon after he died"
Don't feel bad, they abandoned him a few years before that.
Lmao I just started rewatching in it took me 3 episodes to remember who the 5 stark child was
@@reapersritehand I had to google Rickon Stark while watching the video, I don't remember this character at all
@@pib50051 yea in the episode where they found the pups Jon said "there's 5 of them and 5 stark children ", ive already watched all the episodes wen it came out and read the books and still like "5, who tf is the 5th one"
@@reapersritehand My stupid ass thought they were referring to Theon Greyjoy
@@janoslegyenfennajanoshegyen right my first thought was Jon but why would he say it like that he's a snow
They also treated Melisandre’s necklace as her youth, yet there are scenes of her without it, still youthful
not the neckalce, the gem inside it. before she dies she threw the necklace on the ground and the gem's light went out, so its safe to assume she was wearing the gem just not visibly
@@jaankhan7342 Do you mean in her... never mind
She's bathing in a tub. Completely naked. Errr... where would the gem be exactly?
@@annabellehudson1175 yeah exactly. she got full nude without anything on. Must’ve been up her.. 👁👄👁 ass. 😂
I think they said it was just a mistake during the bath scene with Selyse
When Quaithe told Jorah she's "No one" i instantly thought she's one of the faceless
Yup!
The White Walkers as a whole feel like an abandoned plot line. They were building it up since the very beginning of the show, they even alluded to the Children of the Forest and the Three-Eyed Raven being not so innocent in this conflict, but nothing came of any of that. No story, no lore, not even a serious threat to humanity. Just an army that was easily defeated by a wannabe assassin.
The most heavily foreshadowed war. For the very existence of humanity. Against an ominous, mysterious foe with unknown motives, and sparse history, seething in prophecy and symbolic resonance... all took place in one location, overnight for one or two hours of poorly lit, nonsensical, mediocre television that answered almost nothing and further unraveled the existing character developments of some of the shows best developed characters.
Most of these could've been answered if there were more episodes/seasons. HBO wanted 2-3 more seasons, even George Martin said that there could be so much more, but the directors was eyeing a Star Wars movie that they didn't get in the end.
Westworld is better anyways
@@replynotificationsdisabled Westworld is not finished yet, mate. So you better watch out...
@@ohnana95 If I would have to choose a director for a movie I sure as hell wouldn't give the job to Benioff and Weiss. They are just hacks and would butcher even something as cheesy as Star Wars.
When Yara and Theon joined forces with Dany, they asked her to let them rule the iron islands independently from the seven kingdoms when they defeated Euron. She agreed.
They never brought that up again.
Dany was never Queen and so had no authority to honour the agreement.
Steve Adams also yara was in no position to rebel against bran him
Becoming king legit helped everyone but yara and random prince of dorne it helped his sister his moms brother and his aunts son and Gendery May have been made a lord by Danny but his allegiance is with house stark sane with brienn so yara could have bitched all she wanted but legit brand family is now the 7 kingdoms .
How can the iron islands even be independent and not at war with Westeros? Without trade or raiding it seems like the Iron Islands would be more awful than they already are
Yes when I saw Yara vote for Bran I was so annoyed. Personally I think all lords should’ve ruled their own lands and not have a king/queen of the realm
@@fionaosullivan3691 Totally agree - especially when such a big point was made about the melting of the iron throne by Drogon - wasn't that meant to symbolise that no one should have it?
I am SO upset that Sansa and Cersei didn't have a confrontation in a later season.
The biggest tragedy of GOT. all that development for nothing
@@Cat-oj5oj yeah in the end It turned sansa from a sophisticated emphatic sorta badass but then that
One of the "abandoned" plot lines in this video involves Cersei talking about her "first child". It wasn't an abandoned plot line. She was lying because she knew that she was directly responsible for Bran's injuries, so her first move was to pretend she is sympathetic to Bran's mom. She was already threading weaves. I really wanted either Sansa or Arya to get their revenge with the Lannisters. It didn't happen.
Thank God. Got turnt into fan pleasing rather than making a good show and look how that ended
Saw the 665 likes, had to correct that
The phantom that murders Renley: everyone keeps going on about how it had "the face of Stannis Baratheon", but I have watched it twice and never _seen_ any of that face.
SAME!!! Thank you!
I mean, to be fair about Dany not remembering Jaime's face, she kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet, too...
foreshadowing for her forgetting her entire story arc!
Maybe you can conveniently argue she has early onset dementia, explains the memory loss and the general insanity
@@bushra6185 Mhm, I can find lots of examples of characters being mentally abused. Sansa had several scenes where she couldn't bare anymore. You have Theon Greyjoy being physical and mentally destroyed by Ramsay Bolton, Clegane the Hound and his trauma around the fire and I could go on...
Btw, it's true that they tried so hard to make Dany look like a crazy Hitler, despite the fact that in season 2 they showed us the scenario of her death (when she goes to the rescue of her dragons). There, you can see her in King's Landing, watching the iron throne and trying to touch it until she gets interrupted by the screams of her dragons. You can also see is snowing (and in season 8 we can see that it was, in fact, ashes of the burned) and the ceiling of the building with big holes, such as the ones in Harrenhal in the past wars, and such as in the ending of season 8.
Not trying to say it was well written because I felt a big emptiness while I was watching the last episode, but if they wanted us to accept that Daenerys was going to become a crazy bitch, maybe they could've executed better.
@@gregmcgregginton574 actually that would make sense since the 'insanity' runs in her family
@@saerin9429 the worst part is that she wasn't crazy, they make it look bad, but when you really think about it, well, that's not the way she started her reign, but if she end up ending all injustice all over the world, that's not that bad either, she got a little into excess but considering what she just pass through, i can understand... everyone turining their back against her, that is something i can't understand
That altered smile on his face gave me the creeps hahah
I was dying, gets me every time
Same😂
Bran is a creep, so it's actually satisfying to see a creepy smile on him
Jason Despacito just makes his face even more punchable imo
I had to back up three different times to make sure I was looking at that right.
For me, the worst is when Jojen said Bran is literally the only one who could stop the threat of the White Walkers, and then he was used as nothing more than bait in the Long Night.
This is the big one for me too!!!!!
Bran is quite a disappointing character - and so boring too
I laughed so hard at Bran's smile distortion towards the end of the video.
This show was like watching someone give the greatest gymnastics routine ever, only to finish by cutting a loud fart and then falling over.
At least that would have been amusing in an America's Funniest Home Videos sort of way, unlike Season 8.
that would at least be funny, it was more like stopping during a triple flip, walking slowly off the mat, buying a burger from a mcdonalds, coming back 5 minutes later while everyone is wondering where the fuck you went, going back to the middle of the mat munching on the burger, then throwing your hands in the air and cheering for yourself, and expecting racuous applause.
I like the gymnastics analogy, but I'd say the ending felt more like if the gymnast stops near the end of their routine, bends over and sprays explosive diarrhea all over the audience and then walks away laughing.
Buddy Palson lmaoooo perfect analogy
hahahaha best description
I love how they never explain who that masked woman was, so it's like Jorah just got visited by the exposition fairy occasionally.
Exposition fairy 😂 I’m dying!
Plus, in the books she’s visited by quaithe in her dreams several times. That, plus her increasing dragon dreams, was how she learned how to hatch the dragon eggs. They didn’t include a single dragon dream the entire series.
She said she was “no one”, but they could’ve explored that more
@@javieresquivel5366 man is no one
I forgot she even existed lmfao. I don’t even recognize the character honestly… I will now forever more remember her as Exposition Fairy 😂
I'm convinced they had a different plot in mind for S8 when they filmed S7.
The two seasons feel completely disjointed from each other.
MinscS2 I honestly think their S8 scripts were the ones that were leaked, so they decided to "subvert expectations" read: screw everything up instead. Everything in the show skews suspiciously opposite of the leaks.
run Boo, run! *squeak*
@@juanita-dark Do you have any link to those leak you're talking about, or any videos that goes through it ? Would be curious to know what was planned initially.
@@Blackcendre www.elitereaders.com/original-game-of-thrones-season-8-script-reveals-a-completely-different-ending/6/?amp=1
@@juanita-dark That makes perfect sense, if totally juvenile.
For me, one of the biggest fails was - how was Bran unable to describe quickly what is a three-eyed raven? every raven for the last however lon has been asked that dozens of times, one of them must have come up with a better answer than "its complicated" and Bran has access to all those memories... pick one and use it
The abandoned plot line of Rickon is so true tho. Like why did none of them bring up the fact that their brother died. and no one was like "yo where's Rickon?"
They never mourned Rickon's death because Sansa had already told Jon that Rickon would never come back to Winterfell alive and Arya didn't expect any of them to be alive so when Rickon wasn't there she knew what had happened to him and accepted it
@@faithpickell1896 Cope
@@Jdb63 what?
Rickon or Dickon?
@@breadman5048 rickon
Everyone is getting quarantined and no one is talking about being excited to re-watch this show. That tells you plenty.
We all got deceived by books and a show that kept making us believe that there was more than there actually was.
sometimes i regret the time i spent being a fan of this show, watching the episodes on a on.. just to be this disappointed.. of course everybody forgot about this show, it really hurt such a disgrace. I think even the books doesn't even fuckin matter no more.
I know Bran can see that I’m not investing any time into any prequels or spinoffs.
Yea, while we would watch Vikings we'd say "if it wasn't for Game of Thrones" this would be the best show on air. Ands then GoT rushed out and flopped that last two seasons so hard it makes you question you 9 year investment. Unlike Marvel, that delivered a stellar landing.
I was thinking about re-watching the show but couldn't do it knowing everything the characters did in the early seasons was for nothing
No plotline was dropped harder than Jon being a Targaryen
fake aegon
@Wiliam Forsythe yo, what if this was true. This would make season 8, 20 times better. Man, whoever commented this is a genius
We not gonna talk about gray worms big ol chocolate stick? Come on now its delicious
@@onyxsound7104 the person who commented has a user name. It's located right above the comment. You're welcome 😊
If Jon is a Targaryen shouldn't he be fireproof like Dany? Lmao...
1. The Martell Kingmaker/Revenge Plotline which is being treated as a side plotline by many fans just because it didnt appear from AGOT-ASOS
2. Euron Greyjoy's grand apocalypse plan
3. Citadel Conspiracy
4. Battle of Ice that was replaced by Battle of the Bastards, because hey, Jon Snow garners more television views
5. Skinchanging
6. Battle of Meereen thats being led by Barristan Selmy
7. Tyrion Villain arc
8. Lady Stoneheart
and so many more
Tyrion villain arc? Haven't heard of thst one...
@@guiT39try watching alt shift x's tyrion video. it's an hour long but so worth it
@@guiT39yeah I’m abit late lol but Tyrion goes full bad guy after killing his dad, when you read his chapters he has lost he head and just wants to watch the world burn
You're talking about book plot lines that never or barely made it into the TV show. This is about plot lines the show somewhat started but never followed through with. Kinda would have loved to see Lady Stonehart tho! Catelyn was badass, cannot imagine how brutal her undead revenge plot would have turned out.
battle of ice replaced by battle of bastards? They were two separate battles, one Stannis vs Boltons and the other Starks vs Boltons
“And now he just kinda stares at people”
Same for cersei.. such a waste of talent and screen time!
And somehow he became king
what about the faceless man ??? and the dancing trainer of Arya in season 1 they never showed him dying
@@user-db7om5wu5j She'll be remembered as the Queen Who Took In the View. Windows, terraces, cliffs, battlements, what have you -- Cersei is a serious badass with her thousand yard stare. Makes me think of Sansa at Winterfell, staring down at the castle yard where productive activity is happening, waiting for someone like Littlefinger to sidle up along and slither into her ear.
They didn't even showed Theon's reaction after knowing Ramsay has died, that would've been so great.
dude he would just cry again
I would think that when he found that out, he would hug someone and cry very hard and ugly, which would be very befitting of someone who was tortured for who knows how long.
Vighnesh Tiwari I suspect that due to the severity and nature of his trauma it would make him more anxious; he would have a very hard time believing Ramsey was truly dead unless he saw it with his own eyes. It would have been very interesting to see his reaction to the news.
@@bigsiskrishere True, but unfortunately, D&D don't care about that kinda stuff.
RPG Is Life Yeah I definitely noticed a significant shift in plot style after they ran out of books. Before, the prerogative was to explore every crevice of what made each character tick, afterwards, it was all action and less and less character each season.
I think the lack of proof given to Jon about him being Aegon is dumb.
Sam: Your real name is Aegon
Jon: No, what are you talking about?
Sam: It's true
Jon: Oh shit
I totally agree. Even today it's something that make makes me mad
What do you think, in season 1 he's asking his father about it. He knows something's up, and when his bestfriend tells him he's Aegon it probably all started to makes sense for him.
You are completely dismissing the Night's Watch storyline. There was another Targaryen there who pretty much told Jon he is Targaryen he only needed someone else to confirm it.
@@ThunderConker He asked his "father" right before he joined the Night's Watch who his mother was and Ned replied "We'll talk when I get back". He never had any suspicion whatsoever he was Aegon.
@@iare19 I don't think Maester Aemon ever did that. He told Jon his identity which was Aemon Targaryen, elder brother of the Mad King.
I think it's a much bigger point that they forgot to mention Rickon AT ALL. Like that's a whole Stark sibling and everything, and we got nothing
This is the hardest “Do not get annoyed challange”
Period.
How would u end it?
Juwal Ahmed well.. by not putting these plot lines to waste haha
@@PsychoCypher9701 would u have Jon or Daenerys on the throne in the end
Juwal Ahmed jon would be great but i think jon would just give daenerys the throne so i think still daenerys..?, if both of them are in the throne that would be the happily ever after ending tho
And finally: What happened to Ed Sheeran?
They actually address that one a little bit. In the scene where Bron is with the whores before being given the crossbow, they talk about a ginger boy named Eddy who go his face burned off and doesnt have eyelids anymore
@@harryfoster9075 hilarious
He saw fire
It was explained in an interview. Ed Sheerans character (A lannister soldier)
went to a Cabin Bar near Winterfell. Then sang
LALALALANISSTERS RULES!
STARKS SUCKS ARSE!
LALALALALNISTERS WINS!
STARKS HAVE TINY DINGDONGS!
Then got skinned alive. The End.
@@PhoenixWakeStudios Inside a Mountain
Things that aggravated me the most personally:
-Rickon Starks death and how it was never acknowledged.
-Grey Worm & Unsullied getting their own house but they can’t reproduce because they got neutered.
-Dothraki Horde apparently didn’t take any real losses at the battle of Winterfell. Lol.
-Many side characters were simply thrown away and forgotten and never mentioned again.
Add "S7 had Littlefinger devolve into a clumsy, careless idiot and ended up getting killed off" to your list. Fuck that shit.
It’s stated in the books that the youngest unsullied are not castrated. They get cut at age five, Dany killed the masters and took them all.
idk why they only did 8 seasons
@@bish8990 Because they don't want to do game of thrones forever.
Because Disney offered them more money to create a new Star Wars trilogy.
the dotharki not trying to avenge dany,since they were all her bloodriders
Also Bran’s friend (I forget her name) who literally traveled with him and her brother for years, protecting Bran to get him to the Three Eyed Raven and afterwards she says that her family needs her before the winter comes (after bran tells her to screw off basically) and we never hear about her again or even see her during the Battle of Winterfell (which I wouldn’t really expect anyways) and her family was a noble house so they should have been contacted by the Starks to join their army against the Night King
They did her dirty
I never learned her name and just called her "Bran's Sled Dog"
her dad actually accompanied brans dad ned when they found lyanna dying with jon snow in her hands@@towelgirl21
Yes, she was so cool! Even the actress though it was weird!
Myra Reed @@towelgirl21
The fact that Sam survives the battle at Winterfell is just absolutely ridiculous. He can barely lift a sword, yet somehow manages to not get ripped apart by the army of the dead. Oh, and Jamie too. No way either of them could have survived that battle with their handicaps.
Well, unlike Sam, Jamie was actually able to continue to fight as we see when he kills a Dothraki and fights off another, so he is at least at the skill level of a Dothraki, and look at how many survived the battle.
@@toby1061 according to episode 6, a lot 😅
Conclusion, you need to read books to survive
there’s literally a shot where 3-4 of the “main characters” are standing on top of mounds of dead bodies just swinging away with a sword😂 this show blew it
I agree, it became a bloody kids action movie where most of the "good" characters survive. I really hope GRRM doesn't have it happen in the same way.
"He fucks off and goes north with the wildlings" lmfao so plainly and genuinely put well done
Lmao
I really did laugh at loud
"Why do you think i came all this way" made me feel sick fr
lol that scene is so cringe hate it
Makes it looks like Bran's plot to become a king all along.
To be fair he still isn’t lord of anything. As king, he would be referred to as “Your Grace”. To my knowledge the kings and queens of the seven kingdoms don’t have lord in their titles either. He can’t be lord of anything because he’s going to be the king. Bran is just manipulative, not a liar.
@@Snakeeye04 “All hail Bran the Broken, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, LORD of the Six Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.”
So after saying he can’t be the lord of anything…he’s now the lord of the six kingdoms😐
That smile scared me to death & also made me laugh hysterically.
I hate that Jon finding out he’s Aegon is never progressed other than hindering his and Daenarys’ relationship.
Once they got beyond the books, things went south very quickly.
It was way before that, the ending of book 3/season 4 ended the first act of the story, and then with book 4, there was a tonal shift in the story as we entered act 2, that was a shift the show could not handle. It's obvious that season 5 alone tried to cover the entirety of books 4 and 5 (both of which form Act 2 of the story and have enough material for 4 or more seasons) because they wanted to be done with the Feast and Dance material, compare that to seasons 3 and 4 which were both dedicated to just book 3, which is why they were tighter seasons.
They got cocky and abandoned act 2 of the story and thought that they will write their own act 3 (seasons 7 and 8) because George hasn't yet written his act 3 yet.
@@atro-city Not sure about the Act references but it's a good analysis overall.
I think all was compelling and doing well until they went beyond the Books. I also have issue with them not doing justice to Dorne and altering all that happened there but...
The ending was so bad I started reading them, now I dread finishing them
@@kikiza123 that's how I felt after season 3. Season 4 was alright and loosely based on the books but then it just becomes really bad fanfiction.
They started writing in their own shit after season 2. Well before they got beyond the books.
It's insane how the fans of the show are better at keeping it consistent than the makers of the show.
Well, to be fair, it's a collaboration thing. You have millions of viewers, all with access to huge forums to talk to and remind each other of these things. And they had a a small team of writers, easy enough for them to miss stuff.
But I imagine working under those dumbass directors didn't exactly help. The writers were probably rushed and forced to take stuff out to fit the whole "scaled back fantasy elements" thing mentioned in the tweets. The writers were probably forced to just abandon a lot of stuff in the end. Especially when you consider that the directors practically sprinted through the last 2 seasons so they could start working on their contract with Disney for Star Wars (that they ended up backing out of anyways).
If anything, I feel bad for the writers.
Zero Policy Wait but d&d were the writers? They weren’t the directors......they’re the ones who had a star wars contract. THEY’RE the ones who rushed everyone and ended up diminishing the value of the entire series. Why would anyone feel bad for them? They brought it on themselves by apparently doing the equivalent of waiting until the last minute to write an essay before the deadline is due....except with a hit show that was loved by many. They had so much time to figure out how to write a successful conclusion to the series (even without GRRM’s last books) and they chose not to do it.
You mean David Ruinioff and DB Waste of a good series?
@What ? so, according to you, who is to take the blame for the horrendous ending and last 2 seasons?
@What ? I'm sorry but you're full of shit. GOT was an ambitious project from the get go made by an ambitious company (HBO) and it was a huge success. While I agree that avoiding got like the plague is immature and it discourages companies to produce something within that universe in the future, the directors of the last 2 seasons are much to blame for rushing the production and writing of the show to comply with their Disney contract.
I can name maaany videogames, for example, that were ambitious and successful projects in their first try. Halo combat evolved and world of Warcraft come to mind. This was not a project anymore it was a well established show. What exactly did they do that no one has dared to do before? I will not applaud mediocrity especially when they are getting paid millions for that. Criticism is well deserved.
This guys voice is like honey😂
Is it just me or does Cat’s face when Cersei is telling her about her first born say “when did I ask? Like I don’t care”
it is pure light
🍯
it's just you
@Just Wondering - I'm right there with you. xD
It's kinda there but I think it's mixed with curiosity
All I'll say is that if you didn't understand the implication of why Podric didn't have to pay, you would have to pay...
Let’s not forget the winter that never came. Outside of winterfell where is the snow
it was lightly snowing in kings landing at the end of season 7(?) which obviously foreshadowed the return of winter, then it's sunny there for the entirety of season 8. i guess killing the night king killed the season of winter, but then it's still snowy at winterfell after the battle. nice one d&d, you really had me going for a second there
@@wolfgangrecordings Me: Oh it's going to be crazy when winter finally hits King's Landing! They've been building this up for years!
The show: Nope.
Brandon Aumiller “Winter” is a metaphor, obviously. Meaning hard times lie ahead, such as war.
@@breanna34 Yeah, it is a metaphor. But the snow is a physical manifestation of it. It was literally snowing in Kings Landing in S7, and then D&D said, "We kinda forgot"
@@breanna34 it wasn't a metaphor, the entire thing about westeros or whatever the whole place is called is that there are incredibly long seasons. 10 years of summer and then 10 years of winter or something. hack writers, couldn't make good on the central premise of the world.
One of the writers (not D&D, but I don't remember the name) explained that the symbols didn't belong to the Whitewalkers but to the Children of the Forest, and were used to represent their magic. The Whitewalkers reproduced this symbols more like a blasphemy, using corpses to say that death is coming to everything the Children cared. I think it's pretty interesting buuuuuuut...this was explained in an interview, not in the show so it doesn't count.
See ... so much questions left for the WW like the first time they have been defeated but we hare having the answers in interviews...SMH
That's super cool. Fucking shame we never got o learn about it.
Now, see that adds depth. If they only want the destruction of everything why go to the lengths of mocking the children? They could establish their goal to be wiping out something like magic from the world and then the NK would personally turn Bran into- There's so many possibilities!
@@delphine6818 They were saving it for Bloodmoon... which then didn't get past pilot
Arya's storyline had so much potential, it's sad that we ended up with writers who couldn't write a good script
It's also implied that if she escapes the many-faced God temple and uses his power for her own personal gain, that she would be cursed and lose all powers she earned. That is also dropped entirely when she uses her many-faced god's power for killing the Freys.
@@alvaromneto YES! I thought that they only "let her go" because her time to pay would come in the future. It was implied that she'd be cursed, but not necessarily lose her 'powers'. Her 'powers' were knowledge and wisdom from the many-faced God, and the only way to "lose" these would be something like losing limbs or dying. That said, her "curse" could've been becoming ill or dying, or having her loved ones suffer a similar fate rather than losing her talents.
Could’ve been a great wrap up to her “list” and faceless god storyline by having her take the face of cerseis maester and killing/attempt to kill her. Instead she and the hound meander around kings landing and Cersei dies to a crumbling castle. Not at all the satisfying death for Cersei I had envisioned
Her entire arc was about "defeating death" - her training in KL "What do we say to the God of Death?" "Not today" - her training as a faceless man who worship the many faced God aka the God of Death - and in the end she literally defeated death by killing the Night King. People are just upset that their character they wanted to kill the NK didn't do it. Even if it wouldn't have made no sense. Jon's purpose & arc was to bring people together to fight the battle against the NK - he WAS STILL the prince that was promised. And Dany was ALWAYS meant to go "mad" - slavery was frowned upon in general in Westeros. Freeing slaves doesn't mean she's some messiah. And her dragons weren't even big enough during most of the series for her to go "mad." She DID kill innocents before. You people just didn't see them as innocents because you have a bias towards Dany and only see things in her perspective. She often also had to have someone cool her down, like Jorah, and suggest she show mercy. All the Khals that she burned, what crime did they commit? She killed them because she wanted to get out of a situation that she did not want to be in, that was thrusted upon her as Khaleesi w/a deceased Khal. She liked the Dothraki culture, but only the parts SHE liked about it, enough to keep the name "Khaleesi" but also not want to continue following along with that culture in going to Dosh Kaleen - enough to the point where she'd kill all the Khals to escape.
@@mamsy1169 I'm sorry, but no. Aria's plotline had absolutely nothing to do with the Night King or anything even remotely close to it. Yeah, you can say the "God of Death" was connected to the NK because the NK is some kind of affront to the natural order of the world, but nowhere, *nowhere* is it stated that the dead the NK is raising has affected the God of Death's domain. Maybe it could have been the symbols, yanking people's souls away from the afterlife or literally anything, but there was no setup to where Aria's plot lead her.
But let's just say you're right and that all those things leading up to Aria's assassination of the NK were "foreshadowing" or "connected" in any way (which, again, is just false). What about all of the plot lines that involved Jon? Him being both a Targaryen and a Stark? The embodiment of the phrase "Ice and Fire"? Nope, irrelevant. Being brought back from the dead? Got people together, sure, but that could have easily been done without invoking everything involving Azor Ahai. You wanna say, oh they "subverted" the prophecy that Jon would kill the NK, except everything they did hinted that the prophecy was actually correct. If they wanted to set up that prophecy and magic were bunk and not to be trusted, *don't literally bring him back from the dead.*
Ever heard of Chekov's Gun? Well D&D put a rifle on the wall with a plaque at the bottom reading "Death's Bane" and had the villain killed by a brick falling off a building instead.
It's worth mentioning, I think, that some of these things are fleshed out more in the books. But also the show overtook the books and a LOT of stuff it's drastically different In the book. Some great examples are that pod is a child, Tommen is also a child, all the stark children are wargs, and certain characters who 'died' are actually alive
other plotlines dropped:
-illyrio mopatis
-littlefinger (arguably)
-the faith of the 7
-the iron bank (davos' loan in s4 aswell)
-oldtown
-the warlocks hunting dany
-the facless men
-the ironborn (kinda)
-the brotherhood without banners (disapearing after thoros and beric death)
-showing any loction that isnt winterfell, dragonstone or kings landing
Littlefinger dying the way he did was such a gotcha moment.... terrible terrible writing.
Ya the iron bank is the one that bothers me the most, following up on it would have been interesting . Warlocks are a close second
I, Littlefinger, am a master of cunning and planning. I will use all of it to build up to the level that I can hand over this woman to a sadistic rapist, then wonder why she doesn't like me anymore.
Little finger was a great character and it was an injustice to kill him the way they did. In fact any time Arya did anything in the show it felt so undeserved and poorly written. Killing the knight king, or Waldor, or Peter, or the faceless men... just every time she did something it was so stupid and bad.
Marvin The Mage By season 6, the brotherhood without banners was pretty much everyone that was with Beric and Thoros when they executed the traitors. Then they went up north, and whoever was left alive went beyond the Wall. Pretty much the only ones that survived was Beric and The Hound(?). So I don’t think the brotherhood without banners deserves to be on that list.
Robin Arryn eventually becoming hot was a bigger shock to me than Bran becoming king of Westeros
Wtf
IM SAYING i think that's why they abandoned his character bc it's too weird for robin to be hot. like..... ROBIN?????
It wasn’t a shock to me. He was so cute when he was little. You could tell he was going to be handsome.
@@missmata18 creep
@@missmata18 Imagine sizing up a child based on their potential future attractiveness. Imagine.
God imagine if they had a huge budget, and a cinematic format with hour long episodes and ten episodes to a season so they could have really explored these plot threads.
Right!? They should put that on hbo and call it games of the kindgoms or something.
That would require effort and creativity.
They had the green light for at least two more seasons too, but they just didn't want to.
They had all the budget and time they needed, but the writers didn't want to anymore, so they halfassed it
@@eliaelirko9849 hbo greenlit and encourages two more seasons, the showrunners said no, not the writers. They wanted to move onto their big ticket dollaroonies star wars/netflix deals since they were hot shit for running GoT, so they chose to rush the fuck out of GoT. Its heavily implied in their interviews the knew they half-assed it, and the actors are all pretty clear they don't like it either. Luckily, Netflix and Disney both pulled their deals with dumb and dumber, since nobody wants showrunners that can turn the biggest media sensation into the largest universal disappointment.
Great video. Pretty much sums up all loopholes of this show. To be fair
It is hard to tie in all ends with such complicated storyline. But the last season is unforgivable that just throw all smartness of characters developed in last few seasons into trash-land
The biggest plot hole is how the writers didn't watch the first 7 seasons.
People complain about season 8 being trash but season 4, 5, 6 AND 7 were also trash where plot lines were completely abandoned and plot armor was everywhere. Yet people praise them like they were anything like the first 3 seasons which were literally phenomenal. I'm sorry but I lost interest in the show after seeing how bad season 4 was and season 5. The show already started showing problems yet people were defending it as if it was great, and then they just progressively made all of their flaws more prominent in season 6 then in season 7.
Yet people still didn't care about how the story made no sense, people were travelling to places instantly, battle of Winterfell was regarded as such a great scene but it was garbage that Jon suffered no damage when he is the main target and literally standing at the front. And just add insult to injury, Ramsay has pretty much lost the battle, his castle has been breached, there is almost nothing he can do to kill Jon now, oh wait he has a bow and arrow, Jon isn't paying attention, Jon is standing right next to him, Ramsay can win the battle right now or at least take out the person he hates with him, oh Ramsay just shoots Wun Wun, the giant that was already dead. Great stuff.
I don't want people to follow the trend from season 7. GoT stopped being good after season 3, yet people didn't care because all people wanted was their favourite character to live, now that the same problems that GoT has had for the past 4 seasons are more obvious, people are acting like GoT has always been perfect before season 8.
@@MrTVx99 If everything after season 3 was trash why did you keep watching the show? I would have quit a series that was trash for that long. So either you're engaging in hyperbole to prove your point or you're just telling the whole world you wasted your time for no reason.
The show didn't start getting really ridiculous until season 7. Season 5 and 6 had little hiccups but absurdity didn't start creeping in until season 7.
And lastly, why would Ramsay shoot Jon instead of Wun Wun? At least if Jon lives Ramsay could try and broker a deal with him (although it would have been too late).
If Ramsay had killed Jon at the first opportunity the wildings would have ripped Ramsay apart or Sansa would have had him executed. He still dies anyway in the end but his death wasn't ridiculous.
@@Shamyrl Because I kept giving the showwriters another chance to make it right. I don't know why you don't believe me, I am not going to list everything that's wrong. I watched Alt Shift X, don't know if you know about that channel, goes into depth about all the storyline and characters and what they mean. Potential hidden theories and agendas, but no in the show the characters are completely one dimensional just like the story.
'Jon would have broken a deal with him', lmao after he kills Rickon in front of him? After he tortures Theon to death, after he betrays Robb and her pregnant wife, and Catelyn and gets all three killed? Takes over Winterfell, destroys their home and kills all his friends that inhabit it? After he abuses Sansa? What deal is he going to get? This is not Ramsay, the guy who killed his own Father to have more power, he isn't going to fucking surrender to the guy he hates the most in the world, he wants Jon to die above all and he knows that's his last chance. He is a deranged person, not stupid. Oh so he would rather wait for Jon to pay attention then say 'let's have a 1 on 1', giving time to Jon to pick up a shield and then start shooting the shield?
You can argue all you like there are plenty of things wrong, you just don't understand the potential of the show to not realise what is wrong, the Sand snakes were introduced and basically were just fillers. One of the most interesting and mysterious people and kingdoms in the entire show, just had no purpose whatsoever, treated like they have no power, and their entire storyline was garbage. The people in that Kingdom won't just allow some girls who don't even have a pure bloodline 'bastards' to kill the legitimate prince on the throne. They'd all be executed immediately. Oh and let's not talk about the bodyguard to the Prince who is one of the greatest warriors to ever exist, just gets taken down like he doesn't even want to save the Princes life. And for what? Because he isn't taking enough action against the Lannisters because his brother lost the Trial by Combat?
Trial by Combat which is agreed by all of them to be fair and he lost fair and square. So she decides to blindly just go at war with the most powerful house, not even having a plan at the war. Just kill some innocent kid who had nothing to even do with anything as 'revenge'? So she thinks it's better that she just puts more people in danger like her daughters and loses more people and potentially destroy the Sands forever and this is somehow going to make up for her husbands death? And their idea of war is not having an army, it's just them four trying to take on all of the Lannisters on their own. Then they decided that the story was going nowhere and just killed all of them while they did nothing at all since they came into power.
I could list plenty of terrible plot lines, this is just one.
@@MrTVx99 I seriously think you're grossly exaggerating. Because if you truly believed everything after season 3 was trash and yet you continued watching, it makes you look insane. Remember "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
I don't think you're insane but I do think you are being intellectually dishonest. The Sand Snakes did eventually broker a deal with an even more powerful house in house Targaryen. By season 5 everything was starting to fall apart for the Lannisters and it made sense for the Sand Snakes to betray Prince Doran. But I never really cared for them anyway so it wasn't a big deal for me when they ended up the way they did.
The show didn't start becoming bizarre until they started abandoning plot points, introducing tons of plot armor, and dumbing down the characters which really started in season 5 with Stannis burning Shireen. But instead of fixing their mistakes the writers got worse and worse until we received the dumpster fire that was season 8.
Season 7 is where the cracks started to show but season 8 is when the show cratered.
@@Shamyrl Plenty of people thought season 4 onwards was bad, it was a small minority. But you could find them back when there only was 5 seasons out. Maybe I am insane for expecting the show to become better, I never watched Season 8, season 7 was the final chance I gave them. But also I binge watched the first 5 seasons. Not having read the books, I thought the show was great.
But then I started watching Alt Shift X and other channels that goes into depth about how much is going on in the Seven Kingdoms and how deep the history is, but already in Season 5, most of it started being ignored. The little details didn't matter anymore, it was just a plain story.
So I didn't really watch 4 seasons, think it was rubbish and then watch one season after the next expecting it to get better.
I watched the first 5 seasons all al once, thought it was good, but then the more show analysis videos I watched, the more I realised S4 and S5 are not the same. S6 was a nail in the coffin especially because of the Arya scene against the faceless. That was the worst thing that happened in the show till that point. And then to add insult to injury, when interviewed about the chase, fruits were knocked down and their colours were significant to a hidden storyline. When asked about it, the directors basically just said, 'no idea what that is, we just thought it looks pretty'. It's like they are not paying attention to all the details and don't even care anymore.
I planned to stop watching there, which I should have. But then after S7 came out, I saw people talking about how this is the best season ever and S7 started to have some of the highest reviews in the entire show, having reviews higher than the Red Wedding episode, which is ridiculous. So I thought the show writers got a wake up call and decided to make things straight. What I saw is a raven teleporting from the Wall all the way down South and reaching Dany and Dany teleporting all the way up North to save Jon and his men in like 1 day, who just get the biggest plot armour in the world to survive, with the lake as well. My god that annoyed me, they just get put on a perfect bit of lake where the Whitewalkers cannot cross just so they can survive? What is going on...
Turns out people just want to see action and fighting and just review the show highly because of that even if it makes no sense. People just want their favourite character to come out on top even at the cost of the story and they just rate it a 10.
Bran saying verbatim “I can never be lord of anything” then just completely retconning that was the worst honestly.
He could have been saying that to red herring everyone.
It worked.
He hid the truth and was lying all the time.
He said lord, not king
@@Felipera_ part of the title is “lord of the seven kingdoms”
@@KnightmareOX Bran was the ultimate evil of the show. That's the only explanation of everything, the bad guy won
the fact that they got SO CLOSE to making the bran plot line good with the idea that he was the one who made the mad king go insane is so incredibly frustrating
I've not heard that but it made my heart skip a beat.
Seriously, fuck the writers. What a waste of time.
But you must consider that this was not the only mad king, there were others and they blamed genetics or something, this plot would not work then.
That's ridiculous. What reason would Bran have to do that. It neat but doesn't fit.
i know i'm late here, but i've already heard a theory that previous three-eyed raven (who teached Bran) did this. don't know if it's a part of canon or only a theory. but it sounds more suitable.
and there is another idea/theory close to that, it says: all the story since mad king, robert's rebellion, war of 5 kings, bran becoming three-eyed raven, all of this - was his plan to take power (he's now inside bran's body or may be they share it, or their minds fused or something... but bran have said himself that he is not bran stark anymore, if i remember it right). three-eyed raven is from some side-off branch of targaryens, by the way. but i forgot the real name of this character...
@@RayW.... Who said Bran meant to? Just by looking at Hodor in the past he caused him to have a seizure that really fucked up the linguistic parts of his brain. If he managed to say something to the Mad King who knows what might happen.
This is the greatest commentary ever. Not kidding. Love it!
Brienne of Tarth - ultimate badass becomes a crying sad sack
Um Bongo that was so insulting. I love when strong women can show vulnerability on tv but that felt so ooc for the scene and strange. why did these writers hate women so much lmao I hate them
At first I thought that my heart broke and I was crying bc of what Jamie did to her.
Now I believe that the real reason that I cried was bc of how they broke her character
Would you rather see her hanged?
@@jsly6 No. I'd rather see her character given the respect that she had earned throughout the previous series be brought to a self respectable conclusion.
@@gee2541 Hate women is a bit much. Sansa becoming Queen of the North, the Iron Islands have a Queen, Dany was a main character throughout the series. I think it's more fair to say they hated competent writing. They killed Varys in the dumbest way possible, Tyrion became a fucking idiot, Jon lost all character he had. See it's not just the women they screwed over but the men as well. I mean this is a show known for cutting dudes penises off.
Another thing is actually all the Uncle Benjen Story, he disappears in that first expedition, then suddenly re appears as a half dead being, which is never explained and then dies again as it seems and no one cares, not even Jon or Bran who knew about him being "alive". Also when he helps Bran to reach the wall, he tells that the wall has an spell that doesn't allow dead people to cross, but then the Night King just melted it and all the army crossed like if it was nothing, such a disappointment.
This is how the horn of winter comes into it in the books. It’s heavily theorised that the horn will lift the spell on the wall and it will come crumbling down.
@@Deadralord777 it would have been nice to have something like that
@@Deadralord777 that's so dope instead of a stupid written plot of night king getting a dragon
When benjen returns to brans aid he clearly explains how he ended up the way he did. The night king also melts a huge part of the wall as you said which i assume is what breaks the spell. I personally think that was a good way to do it as just “crossing it like it was nothing” is a great way to showcase how powerful the night king and army of the dead is.
In the books I heard he was gangsta
You forgot the warlocks. Daenerys killed that one in Qarth and then a warlock child tried killing Daenerys with a scorpion at the start of season 3, but after that they were never seen again.