Cooler Master NR200: Optimizing Air Cooling Thermals Part II: Higher TBP GPUs and the NR200P
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- In the second installment of the NR200 air cooling thermals, I revisit thermals for the vented NR200 with a higher TBP GPU and the Noctua NH-U12A in the RTX 2070. Then, I'll show the testing and optimal configurations when using the tempered glass panel. Finally, I'll wrap up the discussion with some recommendations on suitable case fans and where to put them.
0:00 Introduction
01:45 NR200 and higher TBP GPUs
04:35 NR200P Air Cooling Thermals
10:42 Case fan discussion
11:44 Two RGB fan choices
13:37 Non-RGB fan recommendations
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A few of our viewers suggested a bottom intake/top intake, rear tower cooler exhaust configuration and I did test that out. After running it, it's apparent why it doesn't work well and the reasoning is similar to why I didn't recommend it for the vented panel either, it's just much worse due to the glass panel.
For the same CPU/GPU tests normalized to 25C Ambient, I got 76.4 on the CPU and 75.0 on the GPU.
Not good considering the rear intake with 4X bottom to top was 68.7/74.9 and rear exhaust with 4X bottom to top was 75.3/71.5. Almost as bad as the 2X fan configuration in rear exhaust (rear exhaust with 2X bottom was 77.1/74.0).
My observation on the reasoning is:
1) A top intake suppresses the GPU exhaust that would otherwise be quickly taken care of by the case fan above, forcing it into the path of the cooler fans. Though you do get fresh air from the top fans, the penalty from allowing more GPU exhaust to be taken in by the cooler is much more severe. Essentially the CPU cooler is now the only route out, short of the hot case air bypassing the cooler through the gap between the rear of the case and the cooler.
2) Running case fans like this increases pressure inside the case and reduces the efficacy of all the case fans, so total airflow is reduced as well.
Never thought the GPU would be affected too!
Plus the exhaust of the PSU get blown down to be taken up by the cpu fan... It just don't make a lot of sense.
Well, it's logical, heated air eventually has to leave the case, if there is too little air going out, the ambient temperature is going to increase, and the CPU's heatsink also takes hot air from all the components.
Best would be two high speed high static fans on the bottom, the GPU on the bottom deshrouded, the bottom fans placed as close to the GPU's heatsink as possible, the top back fan and front fan 25mm, cpu heatsink taking cool air from the mesh side panel or rear.
What would also help i think, would be if the front of the GPU had a fan sucking air blowing out of the GPU directly to the front of the case, since i noticed these spots often having hot pockets, would probably decrease temperature of GPU by a few degrees, but then SSD's on the front may heat up... doesn't help that the front is closed up too, so it might do little.
Hi Mr. NR200! I'd like to suggest what is the best tower cooler? I'm using GIGABYTE B450 I AORUS PRO Wi-Fi motherboard
@@piptaz04 Fuma 2 or C14S (with mesh panel only).
Mugen 5 is also really great, that cooler won't touch the tempered panel.
This series is a god sent. Great work as always dude!
Hey Man I just wanna say I love your channel. I love how you're focusing on the NR200/200P and just tinkering with the many different configurations. It has definitely given me a lot to think about since I have my NR200P. You have answered almost every question I have regarding this case regarding the cooling capabilities with the TG Panel vs Mesh. the AIO orientation and which one works best. and so much more. You have earned a subscriber and I hope you continue the great work.
Nice case you should do a couple videos on it and maybe a review.
lol!
Have you seen the others videos? 🤣🤣 all of then are about this case
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I just want to thank you for all your videos regarding NR200/P! Now I know what cooling setup for both mesh and TG. I'll be waiting for your Pure Rock 2 video soon to finalize my cooling solution.
Thanks! This is an amazingly detailed review and recommendation on case fan. I really appreciated your insights and loved your presentation style. :)
SO helpful. This video and TechSource's "How to Build a PC" step by step guide are all you need to build a system in this case, even if you don't know what you're doing. Your video actually dealt specifically with my setup, which includes the 3070FE. Really appreciate all the work that went into it. I'm afraid to watch the one on the top air coolers. Don't want to find out I bought the wrong one! (ThermalRight Silver Soul 135)
Now I won't have to worry about getting the Noctua fan black edition, thanks.
this channel deserves more love. and subscriptions.
First off I love the detailed content and have a very Merry Christmas.
I have an NR200p with 4 120mm Noctua fans (bottom slim) 92mm rear fan
Asus X570 MB
AMD RX6800 XT
RYZEN 5 3600
750W Corsair 80+ platinum with sleeved cables
16GB 3600 TEAMGROUP t force dark ram. Noctua NH-L9a but looking into tower cooling. Thanks again for your hard work. FYI slim fans under my GPU WORKED WONDERS
I am loving this series of videos about the NR200... And this video just answered my doubts about the tempered glass set-up... I would love to see how the thermals will go without a high end tower radiator like the noctua, but with a low cost cooling option like the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports duo... And check if the thermals go up too much
Thanks! I have a very similar setup but did not realize I could do rear intake for the cpu cooler until I saw your video! One more thing to add is that if you have a very large GPU like the 3090 FE, you should get the slim fans for bottom intake because the case fans would not fit.
Hey I would love to see an analysis of different tower coolers with the tg as I’ve seen some that fit in the vented panel no longer work with the tg. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how the diffrent tower coolers fair with the reduction of airflow from the tg. Thanks for all the great work on the NR200!
Cool, I was waiting for such a video. Why haven't I watched it yet?
This is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
Awesome video! I helped my friend build a new NR200 air cooling recently by following your suggestion and he is very satisfied!! Hopefully you will be doing a review for Lian Li O11 mini.
Thanks from Germany for this video.
Thank you for your videos! Ended up getting a fuma 2 for my 9900k in the nr200p. It’s so quiet!!
Yup! It's a good cooler with room to grow. If you ever feel limited then a fan upgrade will turn that into a beast.
Great video! I didn't know you can screw in the side panel. Good info
Excellent and thorough coverage as usual!
My experience with adding (2) bottom slim fans in the NR200p with my EVGA 3080 Ultra with the TG and a tower cooler (Cryorig H7 intel 6600k at 4.1GHz) was lackluster at best. It improved GPU temps by 1-2°c at most and without the bottom fans the stock fan curve the GPU seldom gets to 70°c+ This is likely due to the GIANT heatsink and 3 fan configuration.
Due to the slim fans being basically against the GPU it just added turbulence and increase case noise. Fans were removed and returned.
Waiting for Zen 3 to be more widely available to finish my build. The 6600k has been a trooper these last several years and it's time for an upgrade.
Interesting, I’m in sort of the same situation with the 3070 gaming trio. I think the frontmost slim fan is actually acting as the anti-sag device for the gpu, as in the card is resting on it.
I should probably just remove them as well and run the tower cooler as rear intake (using glass panel). Might need something else to keep the gpu from being pushed... those sleeved cables from the SF600 are super stiff and pressing on the backplate.
convinced be to go water cooled for this case. Thankyou.
i have no idea what im doing and i cant tell you how helpful this info is! thanks to your testing i may not fry my new computer lmao
Glad it helped!
Running the NR200P with TG, Scythe Mugen in rear intake, and a 5 pack of Arctic P12s. Works pretty well and no screws needed!
Specs and temps?
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2 stock + 1 artic for cpu?
Does your arctics resonate above 1100 rpm?
whats your config bro? 2 bottom intake, 2 top exhaust then the other rear exhaust?
Your in depth NR200 videos are really helping me decide on my next system.
I will be getting a NR200P to give me the best total options and I like to see my gear.
I will have a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX1660 Super so TDP will be low so maybe will stick with stock fans on bottom and maybe a U12S (harder to get the ID cooling unit in my country).
I will have some spare Cooler Master case fans from my current NR400 to add to the top. Or maybe some matching Noctuas for the top.
Awesome! For the 1660 super fans aren’t super imperative- it’s a relatively cool GPU, while I’m the fans would help, this is a card that you don’t have to spend too much to help run cool. Plus the impact on the rest of the case isn’t as pronounced since it is a mid range card in terms of TDP.
Last days i've performed several tests with my nr200, 7 arctic cooling fans (5: 120x25 and 2 slim ones) and 2 different CPU coolers (Noctua NH-C14S and AIO Artic Liquid Cooling 240mm). I've decided to take off the fans from GPU and use fans at the bottom. The priority was to achive lowest temps and volume using stress tests for GPU, then CPU, then during 1hr gaming sessions.
My key findings:
1. Less is more.
I've ended up with Noctua CPU cooler in intake position and 2 Arctic's at the bottom for GPU. With all possible set-ups in this case, this option created only 2C more on CPU but at the same the GPU had 4-5C less (strange but this is the fact, cant argue with numbers). With those 3 fans in total i'm also hearing difference in overall (better) noise. Its much more quiet in idle and stress then with 4+ fans.
I was in to 1 more fan at the top (intake), but there was no diff in temps and additional fans creates more noise.
2. Aftermarket fans > GPU cooling system
I strongly sugget to take off fans from GPU and use two 25x120mm fans at the bottom. This is at least 10C less and aftermarket fans are less noisy. I also strony suggest to put few anti-scratching stickers (like those for furnitures) to the bottom of the fans to make as close as possible to the GPU radiator. This made another 2-3C of a difference and the GPU is now comfortably laying on the fan (it was bending a bit). Also, as i wanted to be able to control those 2 bottom fans according to GPU temps, i've installed Argus Monitor, which a very complex software, one a very few that allows for this kind of linkeage.
3. Air Cooler > AIO's
I was really into AIO. Wanted to have this kind of "modern" tech and i though it will allow for better air ventialtion inside and major improvement in CPU temps. Well.. it might be me or this particular model of Arctic Liquid Cooling 240mm but...
A) The temps were a bit worse then with Noctua C14S (2-3C).
B) The pump and little radiator on the mounting bracket makes calm but irritating sounds. This is very important in idle, when u're able to operate on 300rpms so literally - total silence. But unfortunately, AIO wasn't perfect.
4. RESULTS
IDLE: CPU: 32C | GPU: 25C
STRESS TEST: CPU: 55C | GPU: 62C
GAMING: CPU 48 | GPU: 55C
Another great and detailed video for this awesome case. Could you also recommend/test some low profile coolers with the glass panel and vertical GPU mount - that will be very interesting if you are going for the looks, but also care for airflow optimization.
Very informative!
Your content has been invaluable to me as I start to build in the nr200p
Great work! Keep it up. I hope your channel grows quickly :)
For the past 12 years i have been using gaming laptops. And when i finally made my first desktop build after selling those laptop off, i fell in love with your NR200's reviews.
I am pretty content with NH-U12A as exhaust, and Four NF-A12X25, 2 exhaust on top and another 2 intake from the bottom. I used the same specs, with Deshrouded and dowvolted 100mv 1890Mhz Zotac 3080 OC and so far it has been serving me well, and i am satisfied with the performance that this setup provides. It's overkill, but since i am living in the tropics, temps are the only factor i need to take in. Thank you good sir for your wonderful review and suggestions.
What cpu are you using?
@@PetWanties same 3700x
@@blackhowling awesome build mate.
Thank you again.
Greta videos and very informative! I have a question though, I plan on using the lian li 240 aio. Is the top fan supposed to be an intake fan and the rear one exhaust, correct? And if I wanted to add another one up too would I have to change any air flow direction with my case fans? I plan on only having 2 or 3 case fans tops.
Great videos, huge help, specially in cooling solutions.
If I wanted to put 2 top case fans exhausting (P12), how far should the case be from a surface flat? The nr200p fits really nice in a shelving near my desk, but it only has 4.5cm to the upper shelf.
So I've finally finished my build in the nr200 thanks to your amazing vids on the case. I've got myself a 3700x with an L12S and all the optimal fan placements you recommend in your low profile vids, and have a 1660 super atm (two top exhausts, side panel mounted fan pointed at a rotated L12S with the fan on top blowing air towards mobo, two bottom fans below gpu as intake, mesh side panel). Reckon I could get away with upgrading to a 6800xt/3080 down the line without changing anything else in the build (got an sfx 750w plat psu)?
With the Fuma 2, would you rotate the cooler to have the slim fan face the rear of the case when doing CPU intake or do you think it could handle it fine facing the "normal" way?
What I find crazy about the NR200 and a 3080 (finally came in!) is how much hot air is being exhausted out of the side panel when in the default bottom position. It's *a lot* and to think of how it stays within the case of the NR200P just kind of blows my mind since it's dumping north of 330 watts out of the box when it's put under load so it's great that you've continuously taken the extra steps to mitigate temps for both as much as possible.
Even just comparing the GPU temps between both is amazing where mine rarely went over 65c out of the box with two Noctua A12x15 as intake with a pretty moderate fan curve. Since I undervolted to 1860 (which can sometimes still boost up to1890) @ 850mv temps rarely go over 56c and shaved off about ~40 watts.
Crazy, right? Compared to many case designs with front to back airflow, this and the NCase M1 directionally just makes sense.
i have seen an mod that u can make able to fit an aio on top with slim fans that will be used as intake, small fan in the back and fan intakes in the bottom and the cooling is nice he said so is it a good idea to do the same?
What is the clearance compatibility like with high TDP cards and placing the stock fans on the bottom?
Have you posted a video or do you plan on posting a video testing air cooling with the vertical gpu setup?
Amd i able to combine fan splitters to split a splitter? Or is this bad?
A work around for using the Noctua cooler is to use low-profile motherboard stand off screws. That should give you the few mm clearance to use the glass panel.
Would it make sense to use a tower with one pull fan and then a 120 fan installed to the back of the case as exhaust? That way it is pulling the cooler exhaust as well as other exhaust?
Very cool video. Could you try deshrouding the gpu, and running the bottom fans (and rear) as exhaust? Also - were you able to try both tall and slim gpus? i feel like distance between the card and the tempered glass panel should matter quite alot for the airflow.
Hey, I’m using the u12a on a 9700k with a 3070 gaming x trio in this case, and im considering what to do. since i can’t get fans in the bottom with the stock shroud, what should my fan layout look like? Also would it help to deshroud the gpu to put some p12s down there? Thanks!
13:00 Finally, people are catching onto the flaws of the Arctic fans. They do growl at high RPMs, especially the 140mm version. And another disadvantage that no one mentions is that they aren't padded with any damping material, so they can induce vibrations in a case. I highly recommend mounting them using "rubber fan screw mounts." The NR200's rubber grommets work well, too.
What If I only have two 120mm case fans and use one case fan as a top exhaust and one fan as a bottom intake? Or should I use both fans in a single 2X config? atm I only have a two-fan RTX2060
If you run a blower style card then running rear intake would be a bad choice sinds you intake all the hot air of the gpu. Have you tested temps with a blower style card also or just regular cards witch exhaust into the case?
so do you make the bottom fans intake and the top fans exhaust?
I have Scythe Fuma 2 that combined with MSI B450I has enough space to fit two full size 25mm fans at top with about 1 CM of clearance in between in NR200. With this in mind, would I better off with having 2 fans (the ones included with the NR200P) mounted at the top or at the bottom? Thank you
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I have the NR200 Non-Glass Panel and I'm looking for a pure Air Flow setup.
I'm considering 2 140s as an intake for the side panel and 2 exhaust top, 2 intakes at the bottom, and 1 rear exhaust. as for CPU cooler, I'm sticking with Stock for the time being and may switch to non-Tower cooler later on.
Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
Very nice Video , much Information for me :) , i will stick with Fuma2 or Frost spirit 140 for the Nr200p and hell yeah i sticked with the Halo's too .. you read my brain damn :D
How about gluing some neodymium magnets to the side panel for a magnetic hold? The magnets would also add a little thickness to help with the glass panel hitting the heat pipes. You sould use two stacked magnets if you needed even more space.
I use neodymium magnets with my Nouvolo Steck as the stock magnets suck.
same. i do back intake cpu cooler, fan in from bottom and out from top. cpu temp goes down about 5-10 compare to cpu exhaust. probably because it dows use hot air from gpu and use cool air from the back of the case instead. gpu temps stay trhe same.
What do you think of the Cooler Cpu Id Cooling Se-226-xt?
Sorry if you mentioned this in the video... does the x570 aorous have the same higher cpu socket placement that the B550i aorous? There's lots of reports of not being able to fit in a 25mm exhaust fan on top of the cpu using larger heatsinks e.g. Fuma 2, Mugen 5 etc... did you experience this?
What do you recommend when bottom fans don't fit with the GPU?
Have you considered rotating a tower cooler by 90 degrees and putting a fan on the bottom side for a push configuration? My intuition is saying it might fit the bottom to top airflow the best.
have you tested the air setup with the cpu cooler facing up/down with air flow going up? this would encourage the bottom to top air flow as the case was designed.
isnt rear intake gonna make dust build up faster ?
Hey, thanks for all your coverages of this case. This has been extremely helpful for a first time SFF PC builder like me. What are your thoughts on the Fuma 2 with 2 bottom sickle flow intake and 1 top Noctua NF-A12x25 exhaust? Planning to use the tg panel as well.
Are you still running this setup? if so, how is it performing?
After watching few of your videos I got this maybe crazy idea - if it would be possible to fit AIO on the bottom, deshroud GPU and stick some slim fans between them. Then rest of the case is free and other fans could intake/exhaust air depending on setup on the bottom. What do you think?
What about a cpu mounted vertically exhausting out the top?
What about a high power card with a blower style cooler like a 1080 FE?
I have a Arous Extreme 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and a Vetroo U6 Pro, intake on the rear, cpu cooler fans as well intake and both on top exhaust, cant fit on the bottom since the card is massive, i manage to get temp no higher tan 65C on the CPU and the GPU is undertvolt so is around the same 65c to 70c on full load. Wonder is a lower profile cpu cooler will provide better aire flow since the vetroo is big
Great video. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Fuma 2 for my NR200 (non-P) setup but will now wait for your next video. Seeing as I got the NR200, I only got one of the 120mm fans, was looking at grabbing 2x Arctic Cooler for the bottom already and possibly the top. My system isn't all that great, i5-8400 stock with an RX580 8GB Gaming X (use the system as a dual boot hackintosh) so I don't really need a whole lot. I only game on rare occasion (LoTRO, GW2) and don't run anything at super high detail or anything but want to keep the system cool and quiet as possible.
So with that said, new tower cooler will be in the works based on your next video (potentially Fuma2) in intake mode, with 4x 120mm running via PWM at 800rpm? Sounds like a fairly quiet and cool setup.
Thanks for testing all these configurations, really excellent work here! I have two possible improvements/tests that could be worth testing.
1) The NH-U12A is simply too big for the NR200P and the air flow is not optimal as it break the bottom to top airflow. Having two fans perpendicular is not ideal too. Pairing it with a NH-U9S instead and using "small brackets" to put the fan/intake at the bottom would keep the airflow bottom/top. Wonder the NH-U12A is really needed here, especially if paired with a 65W TDP processor like AMD 3700X/5600X.
2) I also wonder if slim fans like the NF-A12x15 would yield better result in the bottom too by giving airflow channel 1 more centimeter.
This is the configuration I will try, but unfortunately waiting for the 5600X to be delivered and worst, the RTX3070FE to be available for real.
interested in the south to north bottom top of the NH-U12A as well.. just wondering if the GPU heat would affect it adversely.. anyways do let us know on this update.. thinking of a 5600x AIB 3080/6800xt build
Good point with the over powered cooler. I have almost the same setting, R5 5600 with a RTX 3070 and have ordered low profile coolers (Scythe Shuriken 2, Scythe Big Shuriken 3 and Noctua L9a). I will test them today and see which one will fit best in my setting. Helpful and definitely worth reading was the following review which compared the listed low profile cooler. The Scythe big Shuriken 3 was the best in the comparison, second the Scythe Shuriken 2, third the Noctua L9a. Interesting here, the heat removal could be increased when replacing the 15mm fan vs. 25mm fan but only when go for the ventilated door panel.
www.mitxlove.com/2020/04/12/scythe-Shuriken-2-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/
Would you still recommend the C14S over the U12A with a higher TBP GPU?
Big shuriken 3 + 4 fans + rear exhaust + side gpu. Winner.
What is the optimal airflow for NR200 (vented side panel), 6 core CPU and 3080 non FE model? Should we use C14S or U12A? Should we try to find gpu with cut backplate (visible heatsink from the back) like Asus TUF model or it doesn't matter? Should we deshroud the gpu, and did you test using bottom fans as exhaust on deshrouded gpu?
I plan on running a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP CPU air cooler with Noctua LP fan, giving me just over 10mm space from the vertical GPU. My take is that the intake fans from bottom should be able to provide enough air for both CPU and GPU as air would be able to go through the gaps between CPU cooler/GPU backplate and GPU fans/glass panel. What do you think?
I changed to from rear exhaust to rear intake and it dropped my under load CPU temps 17c! GPU temps only increased by 2C under load. Card is a 3070 strix, no bottom intake fans. Tempered Glass Panel.
Great video, too bad this review is sorely missing the vertical GPU mounting position.
I wonder if 2 bottom fans (intake), 2 top fans (exhaust) was your base setup...would 2 more fans on the side panel (intake) makes a difference?
Great, informative and straight to the point! Have been enjoying your videos for the past 2 months while waiting to actually get my NR200P here in Germany. It finally arrived today- so this is great timing. Now all I need is for my 5900X to arrive and to try and get a 6800XT and will be good to go. Would there be any changes in fan recommendation with this build and the tempered glass? Seems pretty consistent with what you shared in this video? If only the U12-A came in black as well!
@@Guy_on_UA-cam Nice! Was hoping to use the NF-A12x15 Noctua's or maybe the slim version. Also not sure how it will help. Actually being able to buy the card will be the first challenge I think! :(
i have two fans on top (exhaust) and two slim Noctua fans on bottom (intake) and a 92mm Noctua (as exhaust for now) with a CPU Cooler Mugen 5 with fan exhausting out. Lots of Fans! Machines & More. What are your thoughts?
I ditched the TG altogether, bottom is slim 240 rad with two A12x15 fans as intake, top is two A12x25 as exhaust, side is single slim 120 rad with A12x25. Cooling 5900X with RTX 2080 Ti. Quite happy with thermals (tolerable, considering rather conservative t/RPM curve) and more than acceptable acoustics.
My gpu would fill the whole bottom of this case, no room for fans. I want to keep the glass panel. Is this even possible with good cooling? my gpu has 3 fans that would all flow down I think.
Since the optimal airflow is from bottom to top, I wonder why they went with the choice to not put a easily removable dust filter on the top. My case top gets dirty very fast and it annoys me a lot! The top panel is not easy to remove unlike the other side panels and often the fan pins keep falling out. Shouldve made the top and bottom just like the side panels.
I'm still a little confused as to the best configuration for my upcoming build. Will be running a Ryzen 5600x and RTX3080 in the normal vented side configuration (no TG panel). From what I can understand around the 3 minute mark, I should be running a tower cooler in intake configuration, 2 exhausts at the top, and 2 intakes at the bottom. Is that correct? If so, that should work well as I'll likely look to deshroud the GPU in future, which will cause less turbulence conflict with the intakes at the bottom.
Hey- you’re correct- that’s the orientation I’d recommend for both TG and vented with an extremely high TBP GPU. Deshrouding may help the GPU, at least in terms of noise.
Hey Machines & More :) Love your coverage of this case !
I am wondering, can you mount an AIO on top ? Even with that top palen, is it possible?
And if it works... could one use ANOTHER AiO on the regular mesh sideplate ?
kreygazm.....!
The only way to mount an AIO on the top is to do the "upside down" NR200 mod. It's a bit of a shame.
Great content again, thank you! Will you be testing any of new ryzens in NR200?
Yes! Will be doing a full build with the 5600X. No real concerns with the thermals, even a 3900x is a piece of cake on air or water for this case.
05:10 Wont the glass break when the CPU is running around 80-90 degrees? I mean, it does touch the heatsinks. I am thinking of getting 11600k in that case so I am wondering still.
If your fans are running, the heatsink doesn’t get that hot.
Still gathering parts for my NR200 build and have a question. Will the NH-U12A fit with the Gigabyte B550I itx motherboard and both top case fans ?
Yes.
Nice video! May I ask if the provided case fans will fit at the bottom of the case if you have a 52mm graphics card? If not, what fan would you recommend as bottom fans for the gpu size I mentioned?
Cheers! Nope, you will have to with slim fans. For slim, static pressure fans IMO there’s only one solid choice and that’s the Noctua NF-A12x15mm (links in description) They come in both Chromax and regular.
But if my gpu is so big that it doesn't fit fans at the bottom? 😅
I'm building one NR 200, with 3070 Ti, Bottom Intake, 2 x Noctua nf12x15, Rear Intake 92 mm Sickleflow case fan, Top exhaust 2 x 120 mm p12s,
My CPU tower is vertical mounting meaning the U12s faces upwards, with 120 mm NF12 pushing air upward and that 92 mm sickleflow pulling inwards. Its a bit of a mix and match from all of your AIR cooling solutions for NR200 so far.
Mesh side panels
Love your work man! Do you think the noctua s12a or the nfa12 are most optimal for top exhaust fans? Which is the quietest and is the quiter option optimal for airflow in this case?
Cheers- most effective, you could run NF-A12x25 at a higher RPM for the same noise level, they’re the best 120mm fan for sure. I don’t think it’s necessary but for sure, if you want more airflow without a noise penalty those are the way to go.
Is it be feasible to dremel down the heat pipe ends a bit so the TG panel can close properly?
Yes, I probably wouldn’t do it to a U12A myself but if you want to take a gamble on how far you could go, it’s doable. Too far and the heatpipe is rendered much less useful (vapor/liquid is gone). I guess you could try one pipe and see how far you could go... if you go too far you still have six. 😆
Does the performance change when you rotate the CPU cooler, having 2 fans pointing upward instead? Or is it not possible?
I wonder this as well 🤔
Is it possible to run the Arctic Cooler 120mm AIO instead with the glass panel for better thermals?
Seems like the U12A fits, but would a 120mm AIO be a better choice space wise? The exhaust fan would be back vented.
It won't work- the back exhaust is spaced for a 92mm fan and even if you have an adapter for the screws there barely 120mm between the top of the mobo I/O and the edge of the case- rads take up more space. On top of that, a 120mm AIO, even the LFII, will be outperformed by a medium tower cooler, like a Scythe Mugen 5. If you want an AIO with the glass panel, I'd get the right unit or just take your chances and bottom mount it.
Is there a typo on the chart at 8:14? Is the bottom-most row supposed to read "2x TOP, Rear Exhaust" ?
No- since the better place to put 2 fans only was at the bottom, I used that for the comparison.
This bloody case won´t come in stock here and Denmark, and it´s pissing me of. They keep delaying it
I recently got a Be Quiet! Pure Loop AIO and with it's decoupled pump, I was thinking it could be the best AIO for bottom-mounting in the NR 200. I was wondering if you can test that out. Since the pump is located on the tubes, theoretically it would not run into the problems that GN had mentioned with bottom-mounting.
I am also considering trying to mod the case to fit a 280mm in the bottom, wondering how feasible would that be.
Hi Tian, thanks for the recommendation- indeed lots of folks have recommended that as an option so a test unit from BQ is on its way! I think you’d have to take out the mounting clips for a 280 to fit flush at the bottom. I can see how it could be done though, you would just need to take out the clips and file off the tabs.
Can you test with vertical gpu with tg plz
Thank your for all the work you put into your videos, super helpful. What would you suggest for the *quietest* AND most efficient air cooling setup for an NR200, with say an RTX 3080 and a 5800x? I've watched the series but still left wondering about this.
Of course! A rear intaking Noctua NH-U12A is a good choice for noise perception (different than technical noise pressure which is measurable), since it uses two of the smooth sounding NF-A12x25s. The C14S + NF-A12x25 pull fan combo is also good, the only reason I rank that marginally lower than the U12A is that potentially, depending on which side of your case faces you, the rad fan can seem louder due to the proximity to the exterior panel. Also at least to my ears, the A14 stock fan is a little more rough sounding at high RPMs, even if the measured decibel level is the same. Otherwise, from a technical sound perspective both are very good options.
@@MachinesMore Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question my dude. Thank you!
Do you think a C14s could handle a 9900k on stock settings? I'm thinking of running it with a 3070 (regular vented nr200)
Yeah, should be fine. Running a 10700K now on a smaller U9S and it will run at stock up to 4.7ghz all core no problem.
Honestly, from your previous videos it didn't look like bottom gpu fans were this important, but now they almost look necessary. My planned build has 5600x, U12a as an intake and probably a 3080 with no bottom fans, but now i should reconsider the airflow direction of the heatsink
They’re not critical for the vented panel but definitely recommended for the TG. For 3080 for sure, rear intake. Couldn’t even get the OC to stick with rear exhaust with a 3080.
Thanks for this content. will be building with the nr200p but am still waiting for AIB RX 6000 series. Was planning to do a vertical GPU mount. Do you have tests on this kind of setup?
I’ve done a few tests and the only reason to do so is for putting a radiator on the bottom. Air cooling with a low profile cooler doesn’t work well in this scenario. If you take a look at the review in the MSI Coreliquid there are a few tests with the vertical GPU.
@@MachinesMore will check the review . thanks a lot.
Hello interested in building in the NR200P case. I have a few questions about it:
1. Can I fit a 240mm AIO below when using a compatible matx motherboard?
2. With the config above can it also fit a vertical gpu?
3. Can I use an atx psu with the same config or stick with sfx psu?
You can also suggest other case in the price bracket of around the same price
Thanks everyone trying to fit everything in a smaller case and NR200 seems fit for me :)
Does the side panel provide any noise/sound benefits? If I were to put the case on my desk would it make a big difference and worth it even losing a few degrees of cooling performance?
About 1dBA or so of dampening- although I will caveat that is with a decibel meter pointed at the glass/vent panel, so depending on placement relative to your ears it can matter or not. The TG dampening results in a more pleasant noise pattern if that side is facing you.
I'm real late to the party, but I have a question. I haven't started my build yet, but I definitely want to be running four fans with the TG panel based on your videos! My question is about rear intake and dust filters. Dust, and more critically cat hair, is a concern for me, so with rear intake I'd like to install a filter - I've seen people use the mesh from the extra side panel, or a generic 12x24 filter modified to fit. But I wonder if the extra filter would mess with airflow enough to invalidate the benefits of having the cooler on rear intake in the first place... What do you think?
It will be a very very small difference, certainly the risk is more if you don’t clean it and it gets clogged, so get something magnetic so you can wash it often. The actual effect is something I’m curious about and will try to quantify in the future.
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much! Something magnetic on the outside of the case was what I was thinking of anyway, so now that you've said airflow will be fine, it's a no-brainer for me. Thanks again! I look forward to the data if/when you do measure the effect :) I'm curious about it too!