A few of our viewers suggested a bottom intake/top intake, rear tower cooler exhaust configuration and I did test that out. After running it, it's apparent why it doesn't work well and the reasoning is similar to why I didn't recommend it for the vented panel either, it's just much worse due to the glass panel. For the same CPU/GPU tests normalized to 25C Ambient, I got 76.4 on the CPU and 75.0 on the GPU. Not good considering the rear intake with 4X bottom to top was 68.7/74.9 and rear exhaust with 4X bottom to top was 75.3/71.5. Almost as bad as the 2X fan configuration in rear exhaust (rear exhaust with 2X bottom was 77.1/74.0). My observation on the reasoning is: 1) A top intake suppresses the GPU exhaust that would otherwise be quickly taken care of by the case fan above, forcing it into the path of the cooler fans. Though you do get fresh air from the top fans, the penalty from allowing more GPU exhaust to be taken in by the cooler is much more severe. Essentially the CPU cooler is now the only route out, short of the hot case air bypassing the cooler through the gap between the rear of the case and the cooler. 2) Running case fans like this increases pressure inside the case and reduces the efficacy of all the case fans, so total airflow is reduced as well.
Well, it's logical, heated air eventually has to leave the case, if there is too little air going out, the ambient temperature is going to increase, and the CPU's heatsink also takes hot air from all the components. Best would be two high speed high static fans on the bottom, the GPU on the bottom deshrouded, the bottom fans placed as close to the GPU's heatsink as possible, the top back fan and front fan 25mm, cpu heatsink taking cool air from the mesh side panel or rear. What would also help i think, would be if the front of the GPU had a fan sucking air blowing out of the GPU directly to the front of the case, since i noticed these spots often having hot pockets, would probably decrease temperature of GPU by a few degrees, but then SSD's on the front may heat up... doesn't help that the front is closed up too, so it might do little.
Hey Man I just wanna say I love your channel. I love how you're focusing on the NR200/200P and just tinkering with the many different configurations. It has definitely given me a lot to think about since I have my NR200P. You have answered almost every question I have regarding this case regarding the cooling capabilities with the TG Panel vs Mesh. the AIO orientation and which one works best. and so much more. You have earned a subscriber and I hope you continue the great work.
Last days i've performed several tests with my nr200, 7 arctic cooling fans (5: 120x25 and 2 slim ones) and 2 different CPU coolers (Noctua NH-C14S and AIO Artic Liquid Cooling 240mm). I've decided to take off the fans from GPU and use fans at the bottom. The priority was to achive lowest temps and volume using stress tests for GPU, then CPU, then during 1hr gaming sessions. My key findings: 1. Less is more. I've ended up with Noctua CPU cooler in intake position and 2 Arctic's at the bottom for GPU. With all possible set-ups in this case, this option created only 2C more on CPU but at the same the GPU had 4-5C less (strange but this is the fact, cant argue with numbers). With those 3 fans in total i'm also hearing difference in overall (better) noise. Its much more quiet in idle and stress then with 4+ fans. I was in to 1 more fan at the top (intake), but there was no diff in temps and additional fans creates more noise. 2. Aftermarket fans > GPU cooling system I strongly sugget to take off fans from GPU and use two 25x120mm fans at the bottom. This is at least 10C less and aftermarket fans are less noisy. I also strony suggest to put few anti-scratching stickers (like those for furnitures) to the bottom of the fans to make as close as possible to the GPU radiator. This made another 2-3C of a difference and the GPU is now comfortably laying on the fan (it was bending a bit). Also, as i wanted to be able to control those 2 bottom fans according to GPU temps, i've installed Argus Monitor, which a very complex software, one a very few that allows for this kind of linkeage. 3. Air Cooler > AIO's I was really into AIO. Wanted to have this kind of "modern" tech and i though it will allow for better air ventialtion inside and major improvement in CPU temps. Well.. it might be me or this particular model of Arctic Liquid Cooling 240mm but... A) The temps were a bit worse then with Noctua C14S (2-3C). B) The pump and little radiator on the mounting bracket makes calm but irritating sounds. This is very important in idle, when u're able to operate on 300rpms so literally - total silence. But unfortunately, AIO wasn't perfect. 4. RESULTS IDLE: CPU: 32C | GPU: 25C STRESS TEST: CPU: 55C | GPU: 62C GAMING: CPU 48 | GPU: 55C
For the past 12 years i have been using gaming laptops. And when i finally made my first desktop build after selling those laptop off, i fell in love with your NR200's reviews. I am pretty content with NH-U12A as exhaust, and Four NF-A12X25, 2 exhaust on top and another 2 intake from the bottom. I used the same specs, with Deshrouded and dowvolted 100mv 1890Mhz Zotac 3080 OC and so far it has been serving me well, and i am satisfied with the performance that this setup provides. It's overkill, but since i am living in the tropics, temps are the only factor i need to take in. Thank you good sir for your wonderful review and suggestions.
First off I love the detailed content and have a very Merry Christmas. I have an NR200p with 4 120mm Noctua fans (bottom slim) 92mm rear fan Asus X570 MB AMD RX6800 XT RYZEN 5 3600 750W Corsair 80+ platinum with sleeved cables 16GB 3600 TEAMGROUP t force dark ram. Noctua NH-L9a but looking into tower cooling. Thanks again for your hard work. FYI slim fans under my GPU WORKED WONDERS
Excellent and thorough coverage as usual! My experience with adding (2) bottom slim fans in the NR200p with my EVGA 3080 Ultra with the TG and a tower cooler (Cryorig H7 intel 6600k at 4.1GHz) was lackluster at best. It improved GPU temps by 1-2°c at most and without the bottom fans the stock fan curve the GPU seldom gets to 70°c+ This is likely due to the GIANT heatsink and 3 fan configuration. Due to the slim fans being basically against the GPU it just added turbulence and increase case noise. Fans were removed and returned. Waiting for Zen 3 to be more widely available to finish my build. The 6600k has been a trooper these last several years and it's time for an upgrade.
Interesting, I’m in sort of the same situation with the 3070 gaming trio. I think the frontmost slim fan is actually acting as the anti-sag device for the gpu, as in the card is resting on it. I should probably just remove them as well and run the tower cooler as rear intake (using glass panel). Might need something else to keep the gpu from being pushed... those sleeved cables from the SF600 are super stiff and pressing on the backplate.
SO helpful. This video and TechSource's "How to Build a PC" step by step guide are all you need to build a system in this case, even if you don't know what you're doing. Your video actually dealt specifically with my setup, which includes the 3070FE. Really appreciate all the work that went into it. I'm afraid to watch the one on the top air coolers. Don't want to find out I bought the wrong one! (ThermalRight Silver Soul 135)
I just want to thank you for all your videos regarding NR200/P! Now I know what cooling setup for both mesh and TG. I'll be waiting for your Pure Rock 2 video soon to finalize my cooling solution.
Thanks for testing all these configurations, really excellent work here! I have two possible improvements/tests that could be worth testing. 1) The NH-U12A is simply too big for the NR200P and the air flow is not optimal as it break the bottom to top airflow. Having two fans perpendicular is not ideal too. Pairing it with a NH-U9S instead and using "small brackets" to put the fan/intake at the bottom would keep the airflow bottom/top. Wonder the NH-U12A is really needed here, especially if paired with a 65W TDP processor like AMD 3700X/5600X. 2) I also wonder if slim fans like the NF-A12x15 would yield better result in the bottom too by giving airflow channel 1 more centimeter. This is the configuration I will try, but unfortunately waiting for the 5600X to be delivered and worst, the RTX3070FE to be available for real.
interested in the south to north bottom top of the NH-U12A as well.. just wondering if the GPU heat would affect it adversely.. anyways do let us know on this update.. thinking of a 5600x AIB 3080/6800xt build
Good point with the over powered cooler. I have almost the same setting, R5 5600 with a RTX 3070 and have ordered low profile coolers (Scythe Shuriken 2, Scythe Big Shuriken 3 and Noctua L9a). I will test them today and see which one will fit best in my setting. Helpful and definitely worth reading was the following review which compared the listed low profile cooler. The Scythe big Shuriken 3 was the best in the comparison, second the Scythe Shuriken 2, third the Noctua L9a. Interesting here, the heat removal could be increased when replacing the 15mm fan vs. 25mm fan but only when go for the ventilated door panel. www.mitxlove.com/2020/04/12/scythe-Shuriken-2-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/
I'm still a little confused as to the best configuration for my upcoming build. Will be running a Ryzen 5600x and RTX3080 in the normal vented side configuration (no TG panel). From what I can understand around the 3 minute mark, I should be running a tower cooler in intake configuration, 2 exhausts at the top, and 2 intakes at the bottom. Is that correct? If so, that should work well as I'll likely look to deshroud the GPU in future, which will cause less turbulence conflict with the intakes at the bottom.
Hey- you’re correct- that’s the orientation I’d recommend for both TG and vented with an extremely high TBP GPU. Deshrouding may help the GPU, at least in terms of noise.
How were the Noctua NF-A12x15mm SLIM, Chromax? I'm planning on putting 2 as exhaust in my system. I was also thinking of putting the one above my fuma 2 and intake and the one above my psu as exhaust. Is this smart?
The slim Noctuas are the best slim fans you can get. In general you’d want to run all fans running air in the same direction, the mixed direction just adds turbulence and things don’t work as well. So I would run both as exhaust overhead. If you’re using an SFX PSU that fan over the PSU can be a 25mm one.
@@MachinesMoresadly it is sfx l, and there are no chromax 25mm nf a12's. Planning on returning these sometime in January when they launch the chromax 25mm and I can grab an sf750. My aorux extreme 3080 and 3900xt are a MICROWAVE.
Hey I would love to see an analysis of different tower coolers with the tg as I’ve seen some that fit in the vented panel no longer work with the tg. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how the diffrent tower coolers fair with the reduction of airflow from the tg. Thanks for all the great work on the NR200!
I am loving this series of videos about the NR200... And this video just answered my doubts about the tempered glass set-up... I would love to see how the thermals will go without a high end tower radiator like the noctua, but with a low cost cooling option like the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports duo... And check if the thermals go up too much
What I find crazy about the NR200 and a 3080 (finally came in!) is how much hot air is being exhausted out of the side panel when in the default bottom position. It's *a lot* and to think of how it stays within the case of the NR200P just kind of blows my mind since it's dumping north of 330 watts out of the box when it's put under load so it's great that you've continuously taken the extra steps to mitigate temps for both as much as possible. Even just comparing the GPU temps between both is amazing where mine rarely went over 65c out of the box with two Noctua A12x15 as intake with a pretty moderate fan curve. Since I undervolted to 1860 (which can sometimes still boost up to1890) @ 850mv temps rarely go over 56c and shaved off about ~40 watts.
Thanks! I have a very similar setup but did not realize I could do rear intake for the cpu cooler until I saw your video! One more thing to add is that if you have a very large GPU like the 3090 FE, you should get the slim fans for bottom intake because the case fans would not fit.
With the Fuma 2, would you rotate the cooler to have the slim fan face the rear of the case when doing CPU intake or do you think it could handle it fine facing the "normal" way?
05:10 Wont the glass break when the CPU is running around 80-90 degrees? I mean, it does touch the heatsinks. I am thinking of getting 11600k in that case so I am wondering still.
13:00 Finally, people are catching onto the flaws of the Arctic fans. They do growl at high RPMs, especially the 140mm version. And another disadvantage that no one mentions is that they aren't padded with any damping material, so they can induce vibrations in a case. I highly recommend mounting them using "rubber fan screw mounts." The NR200's rubber grommets work well, too.
Since the optimal airflow is from bottom to top, I wonder why they went with the choice to not put a easily removable dust filter on the top. My case top gets dirty very fast and it annoys me a lot! The top panel is not easy to remove unlike the other side panels and often the fan pins keep falling out. Shouldve made the top and bottom just like the side panels.
They will, with the right cooler. U12A fits two 25mm fans anyway. I’d just take the mesh off and mount it with screws. Most likely will cover this mod when doing the custom loop build.
I think it also depends on your motherboard, some of the gigabyte boards have the CPU higher up and that might mean u don't have enough space for top fans with a c14s
I plan on running a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP CPU air cooler with Noctua LP fan, giving me just over 10mm space from the vertical GPU. My take is that the intake fans from bottom should be able to provide enough air for both CPU and GPU as air would be able to go through the gaps between CPU cooler/GPU backplate and GPU fans/glass panel. What do you think?
Hey, thanks for all your coverages of this case. This has been extremely helpful for a first time SFF PC builder like me. What are your thoughts on the Fuma 2 with 2 bottom sickle flow intake and 1 top Noctua NF-A12x25 exhaust? Planning to use the tg panel as well.
Your in depth NR200 videos are really helping me decide on my next system. I will be getting a NR200P to give me the best total options and I like to see my gear. I will have a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX1660 Super so TDP will be low so maybe will stick with stock fans on bottom and maybe a U12S (harder to get the ID cooling unit in my country). I will have some spare Cooler Master case fans from my current NR400 to add to the top. Or maybe some matching Noctuas for the top.
Awesome! For the 1660 super fans aren’t super imperative- it’s a relatively cool GPU, while I’m the fans would help, this is a card that you don’t have to spend too much to help run cool. Plus the impact on the rest of the case isn’t as pronounced since it is a mid range card in terms of TDP.
How about gluing some neodymium magnets to the side panel for a magnetic hold? The magnets would also add a little thickness to help with the glass panel hitting the heat pipes. You sould use two stacked magnets if you needed even more space. I use neodymium magnets with my Nouvolo Steck as the stock magnets suck.
@@MachinesMore I'm not a pro in fluid dynamics but logic tells me that with the design of 3080 FE and a top exhaust, it seems that it will kinda choke the CPU cooler running as exhaust, thus the top intake (cooler exhaust)/top exhaust (cooler intake) suggestions. Thanks for the reviews and testings!
@@BCdesu I ran the test and immediately was reminded why that was a bad config. I pinned a comment with details above. I do not recommend running any form of rear exhaust, glass or vented, with the Ampere FE cards because the top exhaust of the FE cards puts the exhaust directly into the path of the cooler. In theory top intake with the 3080 would be the worst config for both CPU and GPU. In fact the top exhaust is ideal for the FE cards- picture it this way, top exhaust comes out the top of the graphics card and is immediately sucked out, without lingering in the case. You might get clean air from the top intake but you're also pushing the hot exhaust down and keeping it in the case, which makes everyone unhappy. With the FE cards, a rear intake is also good for the CPU since you get fresh air, even though there is a slight amount of re-intake of the GPU's exhaust.
have you tested the air setup with the cpu cooler facing up/down with air flow going up? this would encourage the bottom to top air flow as the case was designed.
i have seen an mod that u can make able to fit an aio on top with slim fans that will be used as intake, small fan in the back and fan intakes in the bottom and the cooling is nice he said so is it a good idea to do the same?
I know it's a smaller CPU cooler, but I wonder if you might look at the Noctua NH-U9S as a cooler that provides space for bottom to top airflow. Especially with a shorter (1 or 2 fan GPU) which would align more with the average consumer?
@@MachinesMore I’m following you on this endeavor for sure. Will build my rig Friday using NH-U9S and a measly 3200g while I wait to install 5800x (no GPU luck yet). I’m playing with the idea of using the cpu fans to move air bottom to top rather than exhaust through side. With the nr200p, I wonder if that benefits. Also, I’m interested in GPU length impact on airflow. Also looking forward to seeing how the bottom vs top fan optimized set looks.
Have you considered rotating a tower cooler by 90 degrees and putting a fan on the bottom side for a push configuration? My intuition is saying it might fit the bottom to top airflow the best.
I'm real late to the party, but I have a question. I haven't started my build yet, but I definitely want to be running four fans with the TG panel based on your videos! My question is about rear intake and dust filters. Dust, and more critically cat hair, is a concern for me, so with rear intake I'd like to install a filter - I've seen people use the mesh from the extra side panel, or a generic 12x24 filter modified to fit. But I wonder if the extra filter would mess with airflow enough to invalidate the benefits of having the cooler on rear intake in the first place... What do you think?
It will be a very very small difference, certainly the risk is more if you don’t clean it and it gets clogged, so get something magnetic so you can wash it often. The actual effect is something I’m curious about and will try to quantify in the future.
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much! Something magnetic on the outside of the case was what I was thinking of anyway, so now that you've said airflow will be fine, it's a no-brainer for me. Thanks again! I look forward to the data if/when you do measure the effect :) I'm curious about it too!
Awesome video! I helped my friend build a new NR200 air cooling recently by following your suggestion and he is very satisfied!! Hopefully you will be doing a review for Lian Li O11 mini.
I have to say these small cases sure does get your mind going on what's the best way to cram everything in to get good airflow and I'm to the point it's time to separate the GPU from the rest of the case to get best airflow
Very informative! Your content has been invaluable to me as I start to build in the nr200p Great work! Keep it up. I hope your channel grows quickly :)
You can- couple things, the lovely backplate for the X570 board would have to come off and (bigger problem) I/O will be misaligned. I’d further shield off the panel with electrical tape.
Would it make sense to use a tower with one pull fan and then a 120 fan installed to the back of the case as exhaust? That way it is pulling the cooler exhaust as well as other exhaust?
If you run a blower style card then running rear intake would be a bad choice sinds you intake all the hot air of the gpu. Have you tested temps with a blower style card also or just regular cards witch exhaust into the case?
To an extent, but it's Russian roulette since you have no clue when you'll grind through to the inside and then when it's opened up, you lose the vapor/liquid and it's not going to be very effective.
I recently got a Be Quiet! Pure Loop AIO and with it's decoupled pump, I was thinking it could be the best AIO for bottom-mounting in the NR 200. I was wondering if you can test that out. Since the pump is located on the tubes, theoretically it would not run into the problems that GN had mentioned with bottom-mounting. I am also considering trying to mod the case to fit a 280mm in the bottom, wondering how feasible would that be.
Hi Tian, thanks for the recommendation- indeed lots of folks have recommended that as an option so a test unit from BQ is on its way! I think you’d have to take out the mounting clips for a 280 to fit flush at the bottom. I can see how it could be done though, you would just need to take out the clips and file off the tabs.
What If I only have two 120mm case fans and use one case fan as a top exhaust and one fan as a bottom intake? Or should I use both fans in a single 2X config? atm I only have a two-fan RTX2060
What is the optimal airflow for NR200 (vented side panel), 6 core CPU and 3080 non FE model? Should we use C14S or U12A? Should we try to find gpu with cut backplate (visible heatsink from the back) like Asus TUF model or it doesn't matter? Should we deshroud the gpu, and did you test using bottom fans as exhaust on deshrouded gpu?
I have Scythe Fuma 2 that combined with MSI B450I has enough space to fit two full size 25mm fans at top with about 1 CM of clearance in between in NR200. With this in mind, would I better off with having 2 fans (the ones included with the NR200P) mounted at the top or at the bottom? Thank you
Have you considered using shorter motherboard standoffs to make more room to fit the U12A? There's some discussion on /r/sffpc that leads me to believe you could fit a U12A with the TG side panel if you're running 2-3mm shorter standoffs. Let me know what you think.
I have but there are a lot of factors at play here. You could use shorter standoffs but it depends on your motherboard- some have a thicker backplate (like the X570-I aorus and the B550 I aorus) that sit on the tray directly anyway so the standoffs are not the bottleneck. Technically you could remove the backplate but it does have some shielding properties so you would want to be careful if you removed it. So if you do go with shorter standoffs make sure nothing is touching or shorting out. Finally there is the issue that your rear I/O cutout won’t line up so you would have to work with that too. The U12A fits- it’s just not interference free so it’s up to the user if they want to put up with it or mod a little.
A work around for using the Noctua cooler is to use low-profile motherboard stand off screws. That should give you the few mm clearance to use the glass panel.
same. i do back intake cpu cooler, fan in from bottom and out from top. cpu temp goes down about 5-10 compare to cpu exhaust. probably because it dows use hot air from gpu and use cool air from the back of the case instead. gpu temps stay trhe same.
You think 3m mounting another fan on the right of the tower cooler as exhaust would help out a rear intake tower cooler? Thanks for all the coverage. Building my next personal rig tomorrow
Of course- top exhausts are vital to the case working well. Curious why 3M mounting though? You can use the tool-less mounts unless you're using an ATX or SFX-L and are trying a slim fan, in which case you have a few options- carefully remove the mesh and screw through, or use something called a Clevis pin.
@@MachinesMore naw I meant on the vented side panel since you cant use the mount. 2 fans top and bottom and 1 on side vented panel. Haha sorry for my wording
Ah, gotcha. I tested that early on with the U12A and some blue tac. I didn’t discuss it because it didn’t do anything meaningful. The passive airflow from the top exhaust is already sufficient. Some folks have drilled the rad panel to get it to work but I personally think it’s not necessary from a noise/cost/trouble added vs performance impact perspective.
The typical mobo fan header is a 1A output. It depends on which fans. Check the back of the fans you are connecting and add it up. For example the Sickleflow 120 are 0.15A but have a "safety current" rating of 0.37A. Under regular use, even up to 100%, you could run 4 on one header, the safety current rating they give is a "just in case", something jammed the fan while it's running at max speed type of situation. So if you want to be super super cautious don't run 4 of those on the same header. Something like Noctua NF-P12 Redux is 0.09A, Arctic P-12s at 0.2A, any of those add up to less than 1A so you're good.
Depends on the fans. Look up their specs and it will say what their max current draw is. Arctic P12s for reference are 0.08A, so in theory you could wire almost 12 of them before exceeding the 1amp. I wouldn't push it that far but with 4 you should be fine as long as the current draw for all fans doesn't exceed the 1 amp limit of your motherboard's fan header. I have 4 P12 PWM PST daisy-chained off a single 1 amp header and there are no issues.
Thank you! I’m running the exact same Cooler Master Halo fans in my upcoming build for top and bottom and was really pleasantly surprised to see you testing it. Loving all the NR200P content, stoked for the Mugen 5 video 🥳
Tested this- 76.8/73.9 CPU/GPU normalized to 25C, it's within measurement error of using 2X fans with cooler exhaust (77.1/74.0). Bottom in, top exhaust, that's how this case should work best. The top fan as an intake suppresses the GPU exhaust and just raises the ambient case air temp, which causes the CPU cooler to get stifled.
i have two fans on top (exhaust) and two slim Noctua fans on bottom (intake) and a 92mm Noctua (as exhaust for now) with a CPU Cooler Mugen 5 with fan exhausting out. Lots of Fans! Machines & More. What are your thoughts?
I’m assuming your cooler has a light up plate or cover- the Kaze Flex fans are not abnormally sized fans and attach normally, so as long as your RGB cover isn’t integrated into the fans or using some proprietary attachment method you should be able to swap it nicely.
Machines & More I’d be using the scythe mugen 5 rev.b and I was going to use 6 fans. 2 RGB Kaze flex slims beneath the gpu as intake 1 25mm and 1 15mm flex rgb on the cooler on intake 2 25mm on top as exhaust. I’m a new builder building around the 3080 and a 5600x and am really enamored with the NR200P but I’m also considering the lian li 011 dynamic mini too. Being new, I don’t know how much, if any, overclocking I would be doing but I don’t want to necessarily limit myself either. My capability goal is sim racing in Assetto Corsa Competitzione in VR using a Reverb G2. Primarily gaming with the option for some streaming. Your Lian Li 011D mini video has me conflicted
Yes, I probably wouldn’t do it to a U12A myself but if you want to take a gamble on how far you could go, it’s doable. Too far and the heatpipe is rendered much less useful (vapor/liquid is gone). I guess you could try one pipe and see how far you could go... if you go too far you still have six. 😆
I have a Arous Extreme 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and a Vetroo U6 Pro, intake on the rear, cpu cooler fans as well intake and both on top exhaust, cant fit on the bottom since the card is massive, i manage to get temp no higher tan 65C on the CPU and the GPU is undertvolt so is around the same 65c to 70c on full load. Wonder is a lower profile cpu cooler will provide better aire flow since the vetroo is big
With the right board it might, although I’d put electrical tape over the panel just in case something could short out. It wouldn’t work with the X570 board I use since the board has a backplate that sits flush against the panel.
@@MachinesMore Ah, assuming it's non-removable back plate. Well if you get a chance it would be cool to see. This was the thread in question, www.reddit.com/r/coolermaster/comments/ibw36s/nr200p_standoff_screw/ Thank you for all the great content.
I changed to from rear exhaust to rear intake and it dropped my under load CPU temps 17c! GPU temps only increased by 2C under load. Card is a 3070 strix, no bottom intake fans. Tempered Glass Panel.
Hey Machines & More :) Love your coverage of this case ! I am wondering, can you mount an AIO on top ? Even with that top palen, is it possible? And if it works... could one use ANOTHER AiO on the regular mesh sideplate ? kreygazm.....!
I'm building one NR 200, with 3070 Ti, Bottom Intake, 2 x Noctua nf12x15, Rear Intake 92 mm Sickleflow case fan, Top exhaust 2 x 120 mm p12s, My CPU tower is vertical mounting meaning the U12s faces upwards, with 120 mm NF12 pushing air upward and that 92 mm sickleflow pulling inwards. Its a bit of a mix and match from all of your AIR cooling solutions for NR200 so far.
Please in next tower coolers with TG panel comparison take in consideration the Cryorig H7 too! It’s the one I want to buy because I’m concerned about all this heatpipe touches the glass thing with coolers like Scythe Fuma 2, Mugen 5 and Noctua NH-U12A itself: I think the glass panel can come off and scratch/shatter when transporting the case, even if holded in place with the screws. I come from a nr200 vented panel-aio configuration, but it has bored me because the radiator on side panel doesn’t allow to show components inside the case, so I want to switch to a TG panel-aircooled configuration. As always, excellent job!
Cheers- unfortunately that won't be tested in this next round but I will see if I can source a review unit to check out. I totally hear you on the transport issue and did not consider it- thank you for bringing that up. Another issue is actually most manufacturers will warn you to take the cooler off for extended transport since there is the possibility of excessive leverage on the mobo anyway. For your needs- have you considered a Noctua U9s?
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! I’ve actually considered U9S but I’d like to put 120mm rgb fans on the cooler like the ones I’ve mounted on the top to create a nice effect. Guess I’ve to wait for your next video to know if the other coolers you’re gonna review with TG panel on are suitable for me, since I own an Aorus X570 too :)
I found that when I put the upper fans with one exhaust on top of the cpu and the other for intake would make the cpu temp lower by 1-2 degrees. I do have two intake fans at the bottom for gpu and one 90mm fan for rear exhaust. That seems to be the perfect temp setup for me.
@@espen990 But with my setup, the gpu temp would raise by 1-2 degree too. I am using 2070S with 3 gpu fans and the temp never go beyond 67c when gaming. So it is fine with me. :-)
Is it possible to run the Arctic Cooler 120mm AIO instead with the glass panel for better thermals? Seems like the U12A fits, but would a 120mm AIO be a better choice space wise? The exhaust fan would be back vented.
It won't work- the back exhaust is spaced for a 92mm fan and even if you have an adapter for the screws there barely 120mm between the top of the mobo I/O and the edge of the case- rads take up more space. On top of that, a 120mm AIO, even the LFII, will be outperformed by a medium tower cooler, like a Scythe Mugen 5. If you want an AIO with the glass panel, I'd get the right unit or just take your chances and bottom mount it.
Hey, I’m using the u12a on a 9700k with a 3070 gaming x trio in this case, and im considering what to do. since i can’t get fans in the bottom with the stock shroud, what should my fan layout look like? Also would it help to deshroud the gpu to put some p12s down there? Thanks!
I used a big shuriken 3 with a 20mm fan, vertical gpu, and 4 fans in push pull from bottom to top, best setup I've found for this case. I'm matching or beating these thermals with a 2080 super.
Technically yes, but when you can run a 120mm tower cooler even the lower cost ones will get you great performance. Unless there’s a space limitation, I’d never recommend a 92mm or 120mm AIO for cost and complexity.
Thanks for this content. will be building with the nr200p but am still waiting for AIB RX 6000 series. Was planning to do a vertical GPU mount. Do you have tests on this kind of setup?
I’ve done a few tests and the only reason to do so is for putting a radiator on the bottom. Air cooling with a low profile cooler doesn’t work well in this scenario. If you take a look at the review in the MSI Coreliquid there are a few tests with the vertical GPU.
I have the NR200 Non-Glass Panel and I'm looking for a pure Air Flow setup. I'm considering 2 140s as an intake for the side panel and 2 exhaust top, 2 intakes at the bottom, and 1 rear exhaust. as for CPU cooler, I'm sticking with Stock for the time being and may switch to non-Tower cooler later on. Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
Does the side panel provide any noise/sound benefits? If I were to put the case on my desk would it make a big difference and worth it even losing a few degrees of cooling performance?
About 1dBA or so of dampening- although I will caveat that is with a decibel meter pointed at the glass/vent panel, so depending on placement relative to your ears it can matter or not. The TG dampening results in a more pleasant noise pattern if that side is facing you.
Honestly, from your previous videos it didn't look like bottom gpu fans were this important, but now they almost look necessary. My planned build has 5600x, U12a as an intake and probably a 3080 with no bottom fans, but now i should reconsider the airflow direction of the heatsink
They’re not critical for the vented panel but definitely recommended for the TG. For 3080 for sure, rear intake. Couldn’t even get the OC to stick with rear exhaust with a 3080.
A few of our viewers suggested a bottom intake/top intake, rear tower cooler exhaust configuration and I did test that out. After running it, it's apparent why it doesn't work well and the reasoning is similar to why I didn't recommend it for the vented panel either, it's just much worse due to the glass panel.
For the same CPU/GPU tests normalized to 25C Ambient, I got 76.4 on the CPU and 75.0 on the GPU.
Not good considering the rear intake with 4X bottom to top was 68.7/74.9 and rear exhaust with 4X bottom to top was 75.3/71.5. Almost as bad as the 2X fan configuration in rear exhaust (rear exhaust with 2X bottom was 77.1/74.0).
My observation on the reasoning is:
1) A top intake suppresses the GPU exhaust that would otherwise be quickly taken care of by the case fan above, forcing it into the path of the cooler fans. Though you do get fresh air from the top fans, the penalty from allowing more GPU exhaust to be taken in by the cooler is much more severe. Essentially the CPU cooler is now the only route out, short of the hot case air bypassing the cooler through the gap between the rear of the case and the cooler.
2) Running case fans like this increases pressure inside the case and reduces the efficacy of all the case fans, so total airflow is reduced as well.
Never thought the GPU would be affected too!
Plus the exhaust of the PSU get blown down to be taken up by the cpu fan... It just don't make a lot of sense.
Well, it's logical, heated air eventually has to leave the case, if there is too little air going out, the ambient temperature is going to increase, and the CPU's heatsink also takes hot air from all the components.
Best would be two high speed high static fans on the bottom, the GPU on the bottom deshrouded, the bottom fans placed as close to the GPU's heatsink as possible, the top back fan and front fan 25mm, cpu heatsink taking cool air from the mesh side panel or rear.
What would also help i think, would be if the front of the GPU had a fan sucking air blowing out of the GPU directly to the front of the case, since i noticed these spots often having hot pockets, would probably decrease temperature of GPU by a few degrees, but then SSD's on the front may heat up... doesn't help that the front is closed up too, so it might do little.
Hi Mr. NR200! I'd like to suggest what is the best tower cooler? I'm using GIGABYTE B450 I AORUS PRO Wi-Fi motherboard
@@piptaz04 Fuma 2 or C14S (with mesh panel only).
Mugen 5 is also really great, that cooler won't touch the tempered panel.
Nice case you should do a couple videos on it and maybe a review.
lol!
Have you seen the others videos? 🤣🤣 all of then are about this case
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This series is a god sent. Great work as always dude!
Running the NR200P with TG, Scythe Mugen in rear intake, and a 5 pack of Arctic P12s. Works pretty well and no screws needed!
Specs and temps?
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2 stock + 1 artic for cpu?
Does your arctics resonate above 1100 rpm?
whats your config bro? 2 bottom intake, 2 top exhaust then the other rear exhaust?
Hey Man I just wanna say I love your channel. I love how you're focusing on the NR200/200P and just tinkering with the many different configurations. It has definitely given me a lot to think about since I have my NR200P. You have answered almost every question I have regarding this case regarding the cooling capabilities with the TG Panel vs Mesh. the AIO orientation and which one works best. and so much more. You have earned a subscriber and I hope you continue the great work.
Last days i've performed several tests with my nr200, 7 arctic cooling fans (5: 120x25 and 2 slim ones) and 2 different CPU coolers (Noctua NH-C14S and AIO Artic Liquid Cooling 240mm). I've decided to take off the fans from GPU and use fans at the bottom. The priority was to achive lowest temps and volume using stress tests for GPU, then CPU, then during 1hr gaming sessions.
My key findings:
1. Less is more.
I've ended up with Noctua CPU cooler in intake position and 2 Arctic's at the bottom for GPU. With all possible set-ups in this case, this option created only 2C more on CPU but at the same the GPU had 4-5C less (strange but this is the fact, cant argue with numbers). With those 3 fans in total i'm also hearing difference in overall (better) noise. Its much more quiet in idle and stress then with 4+ fans.
I was in to 1 more fan at the top (intake), but there was no diff in temps and additional fans creates more noise.
2. Aftermarket fans > GPU cooling system
I strongly sugget to take off fans from GPU and use two 25x120mm fans at the bottom. This is at least 10C less and aftermarket fans are less noisy. I also strony suggest to put few anti-scratching stickers (like those for furnitures) to the bottom of the fans to make as close as possible to the GPU radiator. This made another 2-3C of a difference and the GPU is now comfortably laying on the fan (it was bending a bit). Also, as i wanted to be able to control those 2 bottom fans according to GPU temps, i've installed Argus Monitor, which a very complex software, one a very few that allows for this kind of linkeage.
3. Air Cooler > AIO's
I was really into AIO. Wanted to have this kind of "modern" tech and i though it will allow for better air ventialtion inside and major improvement in CPU temps. Well.. it might be me or this particular model of Arctic Liquid Cooling 240mm but...
A) The temps were a bit worse then with Noctua C14S (2-3C).
B) The pump and little radiator on the mounting bracket makes calm but irritating sounds. This is very important in idle, when u're able to operate on 300rpms so literally - total silence. But unfortunately, AIO wasn't perfect.
4. RESULTS
IDLE: CPU: 32C | GPU: 25C
STRESS TEST: CPU: 55C | GPU: 62C
GAMING: CPU 48 | GPU: 55C
this channel deserves more love. and subscriptions.
Thanks! This is an amazingly detailed review and recommendation on case fan. I really appreciated your insights and loved your presentation style. :)
For the past 12 years i have been using gaming laptops. And when i finally made my first desktop build after selling those laptop off, i fell in love with your NR200's reviews.
I am pretty content with NH-U12A as exhaust, and Four NF-A12X25, 2 exhaust on top and another 2 intake from the bottom. I used the same specs, with Deshrouded and dowvolted 100mv 1890Mhz Zotac 3080 OC and so far it has been serving me well, and i am satisfied with the performance that this setup provides. It's overkill, but since i am living in the tropics, temps are the only factor i need to take in. Thank you good sir for your wonderful review and suggestions.
What cpu are you using?
@@PetWanties same 3700x
@@blackhowling awesome build mate.
First off I love the detailed content and have a very Merry Christmas.
I have an NR200p with 4 120mm Noctua fans (bottom slim) 92mm rear fan
Asus X570 MB
AMD RX6800 XT
RYZEN 5 3600
750W Corsair 80+ platinum with sleeved cables
16GB 3600 TEAMGROUP t force dark ram. Noctua NH-L9a but looking into tower cooling. Thanks again for your hard work. FYI slim fans under my GPU WORKED WONDERS
Excellent and thorough coverage as usual!
My experience with adding (2) bottom slim fans in the NR200p with my EVGA 3080 Ultra with the TG and a tower cooler (Cryorig H7 intel 6600k at 4.1GHz) was lackluster at best. It improved GPU temps by 1-2°c at most and without the bottom fans the stock fan curve the GPU seldom gets to 70°c+ This is likely due to the GIANT heatsink and 3 fan configuration.
Due to the slim fans being basically against the GPU it just added turbulence and increase case noise. Fans were removed and returned.
Waiting for Zen 3 to be more widely available to finish my build. The 6600k has been a trooper these last several years and it's time for an upgrade.
Interesting, I’m in sort of the same situation with the 3070 gaming trio. I think the frontmost slim fan is actually acting as the anti-sag device for the gpu, as in the card is resting on it.
I should probably just remove them as well and run the tower cooler as rear intake (using glass panel). Might need something else to keep the gpu from being pushed... those sleeved cables from the SF600 are super stiff and pressing on the backplate.
SO helpful. This video and TechSource's "How to Build a PC" step by step guide are all you need to build a system in this case, even if you don't know what you're doing. Your video actually dealt specifically with my setup, which includes the 3070FE. Really appreciate all the work that went into it. I'm afraid to watch the one on the top air coolers. Don't want to find out I bought the wrong one! (ThermalRight Silver Soul 135)
Great video! I didn't know you can screw in the side panel. Good info
Now I won't have to worry about getting the Noctua fan black edition, thanks.
Thanks from Germany for this video.
This is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
I just want to thank you for all your videos regarding NR200/P! Now I know what cooling setup for both mesh and TG. I'll be waiting for your Pure Rock 2 video soon to finalize my cooling solution.
Thanks for testing all these configurations, really excellent work here! I have two possible improvements/tests that could be worth testing.
1) The NH-U12A is simply too big for the NR200P and the air flow is not optimal as it break the bottom to top airflow. Having two fans perpendicular is not ideal too. Pairing it with a NH-U9S instead and using "small brackets" to put the fan/intake at the bottom would keep the airflow bottom/top. Wonder the NH-U12A is really needed here, especially if paired with a 65W TDP processor like AMD 3700X/5600X.
2) I also wonder if slim fans like the NF-A12x15 would yield better result in the bottom too by giving airflow channel 1 more centimeter.
This is the configuration I will try, but unfortunately waiting for the 5600X to be delivered and worst, the RTX3070FE to be available for real.
interested in the south to north bottom top of the NH-U12A as well.. just wondering if the GPU heat would affect it adversely.. anyways do let us know on this update.. thinking of a 5600x AIB 3080/6800xt build
Good point with the over powered cooler. I have almost the same setting, R5 5600 with a RTX 3070 and have ordered low profile coolers (Scythe Shuriken 2, Scythe Big Shuriken 3 and Noctua L9a). I will test them today and see which one will fit best in my setting. Helpful and definitely worth reading was the following review which compared the listed low profile cooler. The Scythe big Shuriken 3 was the best in the comparison, second the Scythe Shuriken 2, third the Noctua L9a. Interesting here, the heat removal could be increased when replacing the 15mm fan vs. 25mm fan but only when go for the ventilated door panel.
www.mitxlove.com/2020/04/12/scythe-Shuriken-2-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/
i have no idea what im doing and i cant tell you how helpful this info is! thanks to your testing i may not fry my new computer lmao
Glad it helped!
I'm still a little confused as to the best configuration for my upcoming build. Will be running a Ryzen 5600x and RTX3080 in the normal vented side configuration (no TG panel). From what I can understand around the 3 minute mark, I should be running a tower cooler in intake configuration, 2 exhausts at the top, and 2 intakes at the bottom. Is that correct? If so, that should work well as I'll likely look to deshroud the GPU in future, which will cause less turbulence conflict with the intakes at the bottom.
Hey- you’re correct- that’s the orientation I’d recommend for both TG and vented with an extremely high TBP GPU. Deshrouding may help the GPU, at least in terms of noise.
Cool, I was waiting for such a video. Why haven't I watched it yet?
How were the Noctua NF-A12x15mm SLIM, Chromax? I'm planning on putting 2 as exhaust in my system. I was also thinking of putting the one above my fuma 2 and intake and the one above my psu as exhaust. Is this smart?
The slim Noctuas are the best slim fans you can get. In general you’d want to run all fans running air in the same direction, the mixed direction just adds turbulence and things don’t work as well. So I would run both as exhaust overhead. If you’re using an SFX PSU that fan over the PSU can be a 25mm one.
@@MachinesMoresadly it is sfx l, and there are no chromax 25mm nf a12's. Planning on returning these sometime in January when they launch the chromax 25mm and I can grab an sf750. My aorux extreme 3080 and 3900xt are a MICROWAVE.
Gotcha- yeah, then a slim is probably the best you can do. Are you set on the SF750? Check out the channel on Tuesday next week for another option.
@@MachinesMore interesting.
Hey I would love to see an analysis of different tower coolers with the tg as I’ve seen some that fit in the vented panel no longer work with the tg. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how the diffrent tower coolers fair with the reduction of airflow from the tg. Thanks for all the great work on the NR200!
I am loving this series of videos about the NR200... And this video just answered my doubts about the tempered glass set-up... I would love to see how the thermals will go without a high end tower radiator like the noctua, but with a low cost cooling option like the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports duo... And check if the thermals go up too much
What I find crazy about the NR200 and a 3080 (finally came in!) is how much hot air is being exhausted out of the side panel when in the default bottom position. It's *a lot* and to think of how it stays within the case of the NR200P just kind of blows my mind since it's dumping north of 330 watts out of the box when it's put under load so it's great that you've continuously taken the extra steps to mitigate temps for both as much as possible.
Even just comparing the GPU temps between both is amazing where mine rarely went over 65c out of the box with two Noctua A12x15 as intake with a pretty moderate fan curve. Since I undervolted to 1860 (which can sometimes still boost up to1890) @ 850mv temps rarely go over 56c and shaved off about ~40 watts.
Crazy, right? Compared to many case designs with front to back airflow, this and the NCase M1 directionally just makes sense.
Thanks! I have a very similar setup but did not realize I could do rear intake for the cpu cooler until I saw your video! One more thing to add is that if you have a very large GPU like the 3090 FE, you should get the slim fans for bottom intake because the case fans would not fit.
With the Fuma 2, would you rotate the cooler to have the slim fan face the rear of the case when doing CPU intake or do you think it could handle it fine facing the "normal" way?
05:10 Wont the glass break when the CPU is running around 80-90 degrees? I mean, it does touch the heatsinks. I am thinking of getting 11600k in that case so I am wondering still.
If your fans are running, the heatsink doesn’t get that hot.
Is there a typo on the chart at 8:14? Is the bottom-most row supposed to read "2x TOP, Rear Exhaust" ?
No- since the better place to put 2 fans only was at the bottom, I used that for the comparison.
13:00 Finally, people are catching onto the flaws of the Arctic fans. They do growl at high RPMs, especially the 140mm version. And another disadvantage that no one mentions is that they aren't padded with any damping material, so they can induce vibrations in a case. I highly recommend mounting them using "rubber fan screw mounts." The NR200's rubber grommets work well, too.
Since the optimal airflow is from bottom to top, I wonder why they went with the choice to not put a easily removable dust filter on the top. My case top gets dirty very fast and it annoys me a lot! The top panel is not easy to remove unlike the other side panels and often the fan pins keep falling out. Shouldve made the top and bottom just like the side panels.
Do slim fans fit in the top mounting area? I saw someone say they didn't work with the toolless mounting solution. Is that true?
They will, with the right cooler. U12A fits two 25mm fans anyway. I’d just take the mesh off and mount it with screws. Most likely will cover this mod when doing the custom loop build.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the response! I'm likely going to go with the C14S, since I've got the mesh panel. Keep up the great work!
I think it also depends on your motherboard, some of the gigabyte boards have the CPU higher up and that might mean u don't have enough space for top fans with a c14s
Thank you for your videos! Ended up getting a fuma 2 for my 9900k in the nr200p. It’s so quiet!!
Yup! It's a good cooler with room to grow. If you ever feel limited then a fan upgrade will turn that into a beast.
convinced be to go water cooled for this case. Thankyou.
I plan on running a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP CPU air cooler with Noctua LP fan, giving me just over 10mm space from the vertical GPU. My take is that the intake fans from bottom should be able to provide enough air for both CPU and GPU as air would be able to go through the gaps between CPU cooler/GPU backplate and GPU fans/glass panel. What do you think?
Hey, thanks for all your coverages of this case. This has been extremely helpful for a first time SFF PC builder like me. What are your thoughts on the Fuma 2 with 2 bottom sickle flow intake and 1 top Noctua NF-A12x25 exhaust? Planning to use the tg panel as well.
Are you still running this setup? if so, how is it performing?
Your in depth NR200 videos are really helping me decide on my next system.
I will be getting a NR200P to give me the best total options and I like to see my gear.
I will have a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX1660 Super so TDP will be low so maybe will stick with stock fans on bottom and maybe a U12S (harder to get the ID cooling unit in my country).
I will have some spare Cooler Master case fans from my current NR400 to add to the top. Or maybe some matching Noctuas for the top.
Awesome! For the 1660 super fans aren’t super imperative- it’s a relatively cool GPU, while I’m the fans would help, this is a card that you don’t have to spend too much to help run cool. Plus the impact on the rest of the case isn’t as pronounced since it is a mid range card in terms of TDP.
How about gluing some neodymium magnets to the side panel for a magnetic hold? The magnets would also add a little thickness to help with the glass panel hitting the heat pipes. You sould use two stacked magnets if you needed even more space.
I use neodymium magnets with my Nouvolo Steck as the stock magnets suck.
For the 4x fans, how about a comparison of all fan intake with CPU tower as exhaust vs bottom intake, top exhaust with CPU tower as intake
I was also thinking about the top fans as intake config to feed the CPU tower with fresh air and exhaust it in the rear, it makes sense
I had that as a secondary consideration- was concerned about the fans being less effective from pressure build up. I’ll run that test and see.
@@MachinesMore I'm not a pro in fluid dynamics but logic tells me that with the design of 3080 FE and a top exhaust, it seems that it will kinda choke the CPU cooler running as exhaust, thus the top intake (cooler exhaust)/top exhaust (cooler intake) suggestions. Thanks for the reviews and testings!
@@BCdesu I ran the test and immediately was reminded why that was a bad config. I pinned a comment with details above. I do not recommend running any form of rear exhaust, glass or vented, with the Ampere FE cards because the top exhaust of the FE cards puts the exhaust directly into the path of the cooler. In theory top intake with the 3080 would be the worst config for both CPU and GPU.
In fact the top exhaust is ideal for the FE cards- picture it this way, top exhaust comes out the top of the graphics card and is immediately sucked out, without lingering in the case. You might get clean air from the top intake but you're also pushing the hot exhaust down and keeping it in the case, which makes everyone unhappy. With the FE cards, a rear intake is also good for the CPU since you get fresh air, even though there is a slight amount of re-intake of the GPU's exhaust.
@@MachinesMore Thanks! Guess the best config to go would be CPU intake and top exhaust (and bottom intake with extra budget)!
have you tested the air setup with the cpu cooler facing up/down with air flow going up? this would encourage the bottom to top air flow as the case was designed.
I wanted to transition into NR200P but I really don't wanna change my CPU cooler. Currently using NH-L9a and seems like it's not gonna do well.
The L9A/L9i work fine for the Ryzen 5’s at lower clocks. Basically they at least match the stock cooler performance but in a low profile packageS
i have seen an mod that u can make able to fit an aio on top with slim fans that will be used as intake, small fan in the back and fan intakes in the bottom and the cooling is nice he said so is it a good idea to do the same?
Does the performance change when you rotate the CPU cooler, having 2 fans pointing upward instead? Or is it not possible?
I wonder this as well 🤔
I know it's a smaller CPU cooler, but I wonder if you might look at the Noctua NH-U9S as a cooler that provides space for bottom to top airflow. Especially with a shorter (1 or 2 fan GPU) which would align more with the average consumer?
Robert- there's a U9s video on the channel when I reviewed the Chromax.
@@MachinesMore I’m following you on this endeavor for sure. Will build my rig Friday using NH-U9S and a measly 3200g while I wait to install 5800x (no GPU luck yet). I’m playing with the idea of using the cpu fans to move air bottom to top rather than exhaust through side. With the nr200p, I wonder if that benefits. Also, I’m interested in GPU length impact on airflow. Also looking forward to seeing how the bottom vs top fan optimized set looks.
Have you considered rotating a tower cooler by 90 degrees and putting a fan on the bottom side for a push configuration? My intuition is saying it might fit the bottom to top airflow the best.
isnt rear intake gonna make dust build up faster ?
What is the clearance compatibility like with high TDP cards and placing the stock fans on the bottom?
I'm real late to the party, but I have a question. I haven't started my build yet, but I definitely want to be running four fans with the TG panel based on your videos! My question is about rear intake and dust filters. Dust, and more critically cat hair, is a concern for me, so with rear intake I'd like to install a filter - I've seen people use the mesh from the extra side panel, or a generic 12x24 filter modified to fit. But I wonder if the extra filter would mess with airflow enough to invalidate the benefits of having the cooler on rear intake in the first place... What do you think?
It will be a very very small difference, certainly the risk is more if you don’t clean it and it gets clogged, so get something magnetic so you can wash it often. The actual effect is something I’m curious about and will try to quantify in the future.
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much! Something magnetic on the outside of the case was what I was thinking of anyway, so now that you've said airflow will be fine, it's a no-brainer for me. Thanks again! I look forward to the data if/when you do measure the effect :) I'm curious about it too!
Awesome video! I helped my friend build a new NR200 air cooling recently by following your suggestion and he is very satisfied!! Hopefully you will be doing a review for Lian Li O11 mini.
I have to say these small cases sure does get your mind going on what's the best way to cram everything in to get good airflow and I'm to the point it's time to separate the GPU from the rest of the case to get best airflow
Big shuriken 3 + 4 fans + rear exhaust + side gpu. Winner.
so do you make the bottom fans intake and the top fans exhaust?
Very informative!
Your content has been invaluable to me as I start to build in the nr200p
Great work! Keep it up. I hope your channel grows quickly :)
Amd i able to combine fan splitters to split a splitter? Or is this bad?
Does the non p version come with two mounts for case fans up top, or just one?
You still get an extra 120mm fan grill with the NR200, just have to source a second fan.
@@MachinesMore thank you!
Tbh this makes me extremely curious if there's any way to get shorter motherboard standoffs so you can fit the cooler
You can- couple things, the lovely backplate for the X570 board would have to come off and (bigger problem) I/O will be misaligned. I’d further shield off the panel with electrical tape.
I wonder if 2 bottom fans (intake), 2 top fans (exhaust) was your base setup...would 2 more fans on the side panel (intake) makes a difference?
Would it make sense to use a tower with one pull fan and then a 120 fan installed to the back of the case as exhaust? That way it is pulling the cooler exhaust as well as other exhaust?
I support this content.
If you run a blower style card then running rear intake would be a bad choice sinds you intake all the hot air of the gpu. Have you tested temps with a blower style card also or just regular cards witch exhaust into the case?
Is it ok to dremel the tips of the cooler to not touch the glass panel?
I would not do that. Heat pipes are not solid, so you'll "open them up".
To an extent, but it's Russian roulette since you have no clue when you'll grind through to the inside and then when it's opened up, you lose the vapor/liquid and it's not going to be very effective.
Do you think a C14s could handle a 9900k on stock settings? I'm thinking of running it with a 3070 (regular vented nr200)
Yeah, should be fine. Running a 10700K now on a smaller U9S and it will run at stock up to 4.7ghz all core no problem.
What do you think of the Cooler Cpu Id Cooling Se-226-xt?
Thank you again.
I recently got a Be Quiet! Pure Loop AIO and with it's decoupled pump, I was thinking it could be the best AIO for bottom-mounting in the NR 200. I was wondering if you can test that out. Since the pump is located on the tubes, theoretically it would not run into the problems that GN had mentioned with bottom-mounting.
I am also considering trying to mod the case to fit a 280mm in the bottom, wondering how feasible would that be.
Hi Tian, thanks for the recommendation- indeed lots of folks have recommended that as an option so a test unit from BQ is on its way! I think you’d have to take out the mounting clips for a 280 to fit flush at the bottom. I can see how it could be done though, you would just need to take out the clips and file off the tabs.
What If I only have two 120mm case fans and use one case fan as a top exhaust and one fan as a bottom intake? Or should I use both fans in a single 2X config? atm I only have a two-fan RTX2060
What is the optimal airflow for NR200 (vented side panel), 6 core CPU and 3080 non FE model? Should we use C14S or U12A? Should we try to find gpu with cut backplate (visible heatsink from the back) like Asus TUF model or it doesn't matter? Should we deshroud the gpu, and did you test using bottom fans as exhaust on deshrouded gpu?
I have Scythe Fuma 2 that combined with MSI B450I has enough space to fit two full size 25mm fans at top with about 1 CM of clearance in between in NR200. With this in mind, would I better off with having 2 fans (the ones included with the NR200P) mounted at the top or at the bottom? Thank you
Have you considered using shorter motherboard standoffs to make more room to fit the U12A? There's some discussion on /r/sffpc that leads me to believe you could fit a U12A with the TG side panel if you're running 2-3mm shorter standoffs. Let me know what you think.
I have but there are a lot of factors at play here. You could use shorter standoffs but it depends on your motherboard- some have a thicker backplate (like the X570-I aorus and the B550 I aorus) that sit on the tray directly anyway so the standoffs are not the bottleneck. Technically you could remove the backplate but it does have some shielding properties so you would want to be careful if you removed it. So if you do go with shorter standoffs make sure nothing is touching or shorting out. Finally there is the issue that your rear I/O cutout won’t line up so you would have to work with that too. The U12A fits- it’s just not interference free so it’s up to the user if they want to put up with it or mod a little.
@@MachinesMore Thank you for the response. I'm going to give the U12A a shot. 😊
A work around for using the Noctua cooler is to use low-profile motherboard stand off screws. That should give you the few mm clearance to use the glass panel.
same. i do back intake cpu cooler, fan in from bottom and out from top. cpu temp goes down about 5-10 compare to cpu exhaust. probably because it dows use hot air from gpu and use cool air from the back of the case instead. gpu temps stay trhe same.
You think 3m mounting another fan on the right of the tower cooler as exhaust would help out a rear intake tower cooler? Thanks for all the coverage. Building my next personal rig tomorrow
Of course- top exhausts are vital to the case working well. Curious why 3M mounting though? You can use the tool-less mounts unless you're using an ATX or SFX-L and are trying a slim fan, in which case you have a few options- carefully remove the mesh and screw through, or use something called a Clevis pin.
@@MachinesMore naw I meant on the vented side panel since you cant use the mount.
2 fans top and bottom and 1 on side vented panel.
Haha sorry for my wording
Ah, gotcha. I tested that early on with the U12A and some blue tac. I didn’t discuss it because it didn’t do anything meaningful. The passive airflow from the top exhaust is already sufficient. Some folks have drilled the rad panel to get it to work but I personally think it’s not necessary from a noise/cost/trouble added vs performance impact perspective.
Are we safe to wire 4 fans into a single header? My motherboard only has a 1amp output.
The typical mobo fan header is a 1A output. It depends on which fans. Check the back of the fans you are connecting and add it up. For example the Sickleflow 120 are 0.15A but have a "safety current" rating of 0.37A. Under regular use, even up to 100%, you could run 4 on one header, the safety current rating they give is a "just in case", something jammed the fan while it's running at max speed type of situation. So if you want to be super super cautious don't run 4 of those on the same header. Something like Noctua NF-P12 Redux is 0.09A, Arctic P-12s at 0.2A, any of those add up to less than 1A so you're good.
Depends on the fans. Look up their specs and it will say what their max current draw is. Arctic P12s for reference are 0.08A, so in theory you could wire almost 12 of them before exceeding the 1amp. I wouldn't push it that far but with 4 you should be fine as long as the current draw for all fans doesn't exceed the 1 amp limit of your motherboard's fan header. I have 4 P12 PWM PST daisy-chained off a single 1 amp header and there are no issues.
Thank you! I’m running the exact same Cooler Master Halo fans in my upcoming build for top and bottom and was really pleasantly surprised to see you testing it. Loving all the NR200P content, stoked for the Mugen 5 video 🥳
You could flip the right Top fan for intake and the left for exhoust and cooloer exhoust
Tested this- 76.8/73.9 CPU/GPU normalized to 25C, it's within measurement error of using 2X fans with cooler exhaust (77.1/74.0). Bottom in, top exhaust, that's how this case should work best. The top fan as an intake suppresses the GPU exhaust and just raises the ambient case air temp, which causes the CPU cooler to get stifled.
i have two fans on top (exhaust) and two slim Noctua fans on bottom (intake) and a 92mm Noctua (as exhaust for now) with a CPU Cooler Mugen 5 with fan exhausting out. Lots of Fans! Machines & More. What are your thoughts?
How well would the Scythe Kaze Flex and/or Kaze Flex Slims work for an RGB air cooling solution with the tempered glass SP?
I’m assuming your cooler has a light up plate or cover- the Kaze Flex fans are not abnormally sized fans and attach normally, so as long as your RGB cover isn’t integrated into the fans or using some proprietary attachment method you should be able to swap it nicely.
Machines & More I’d be using the scythe mugen 5 rev.b and I was going to use 6 fans.
2 RGB Kaze flex slims beneath the gpu as intake
1 25mm and 1 15mm flex rgb on the cooler on intake
2 25mm on top as exhaust.
I’m a new builder building around the 3080 and a 5600x and am really enamored with the NR200P but I’m also considering the lian li 011 dynamic mini too.
Being new, I don’t know how much, if any, overclocking I would be doing but I don’t want to necessarily limit myself either.
My capability goal is sim racing in Assetto Corsa Competitzione in VR using a Reverb G2.
Primarily gaming with the option for some streaming.
Your Lian Li 011D mini video has me conflicted
Is it be feasible to dremel down the heat pipe ends a bit so the TG panel can close properly?
Yes, I probably wouldn’t do it to a U12A myself but if you want to take a gamble on how far you could go, it’s doable. Too far and the heatpipe is rendered much less useful (vapor/liquid is gone). I guess you could try one pipe and see how far you could go... if you go too far you still have six. 😆
Cant you just cut the pipes down with a dremel or similar tool on the Noctua cooler to keep the glass?
Yeah, but you have to be careful, open up the heatpipe and that one’s done for!
I have a Arous Extreme 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and a Vetroo U6 Pro, intake on the rear, cpu cooler fans as well intake and both on top exhaust, cant fit on the bottom since the card is massive, i manage to get temp no higher tan 65C on the CPU and the GPU is undertvolt so is around the same 65c to 70c on full load. Wonder is a lower profile cpu cooler will provide better aire flow since the vetroo is big
What about a cpu mounted vertically exhausting out the top?
Have you tried smaller mobo standoffs? I remember seeing it mentioned on Reddit but there was no follow up. Would love to see that tested.
With the right board it might, although I’d put electrical tape over the panel just in case something could short out. It wouldn’t work with the X570 board I use since the board has a backplate that sits flush against the panel.
Will this affect the way the case PCI-E slots line up with the mobo?
@@MachinesMore Ah, assuming it's non-removable back plate. Well if you get a chance it would be cool to see. This was the thread in question, www.reddit.com/r/coolermaster/comments/ibw36s/nr200p_standoff_screw/
Thank you for all the great content.
@@CaveyMoth No clue. I haven't tried. Most people say that the Fuma is only a mm too tall (sometimes), depends on the heat pipe lottery.
I changed to from rear exhaust to rear intake and it dropped my under load CPU temps 17c! GPU temps only increased by 2C under load. Card is a 3070 strix, no bottom intake fans. Tempered Glass Panel.
Hey Machines & More :) Love your coverage of this case !
I am wondering, can you mount an AIO on top ? Even with that top palen, is it possible?
And if it works... could one use ANOTHER AiO on the regular mesh sideplate ?
kreygazm.....!
The only way to mount an AIO on the top is to do the "upside down" NR200 mod. It's a bit of a shame.
Have you posted a video or do you plan on posting a video testing air cooling with the vertical gpu setup?
I'm building one NR 200, with 3070 Ti, Bottom Intake, 2 x Noctua nf12x15, Rear Intake 92 mm Sickleflow case fan, Top exhaust 2 x 120 mm p12s,
My CPU tower is vertical mounting meaning the U12s faces upwards, with 120 mm NF12 pushing air upward and that 92 mm sickleflow pulling inwards. Its a bit of a mix and match from all of your AIR cooling solutions for NR200 so far.
Mesh side panels
Please in next tower coolers with TG panel comparison take in consideration the Cryorig H7 too! It’s the one I want to buy because I’m concerned about all this heatpipe touches the glass thing with coolers like Scythe Fuma 2, Mugen 5 and Noctua NH-U12A itself: I think the glass panel can come off and scratch/shatter when transporting the case, even if holded in place with the screws. I come from a nr200 vented panel-aio configuration, but it has bored me because the radiator on side panel doesn’t allow to show components inside the case, so I want to switch to a TG panel-aircooled configuration. As always, excellent job!
Cheers- unfortunately that won't be tested in this next round but I will see if I can source a review unit to check out. I totally hear you on the transport issue and did not consider it- thank you for bringing that up. Another issue is actually most manufacturers will warn you to take the cooler off for extended transport since there is the possibility of excessive leverage on the mobo anyway. For your needs- have you considered a Noctua U9s?
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! I’ve actually considered U9S but I’d like to put 120mm rgb fans on the cooler like the ones I’ve mounted on the top to create a nice effect. Guess I’ve to wait for your next video to know if the other coolers you’re gonna review with TG panel on are suitable for me, since I own an Aorus X570 too :)
I found that when I put the upper fans with one exhaust on top of the cpu and the other for intake would make the cpu temp lower by 1-2 degrees. I do have two intake fans at the bottom for gpu and one 90mm fan for rear exhaust. That seems to be the perfect temp setup for me.
With the glass panel?
@@espen990 yes
@@espen990 But with my setup, the gpu temp would raise by 1-2 degree too. I am using 2070S with 3 gpu fans and the temp never go beyond 67c when gaming. So it is fine with me. :-)
Is it possible to run the Arctic Cooler 120mm AIO instead with the glass panel for better thermals?
Seems like the U12A fits, but would a 120mm AIO be a better choice space wise? The exhaust fan would be back vented.
It won't work- the back exhaust is spaced for a 92mm fan and even if you have an adapter for the screws there barely 120mm between the top of the mobo I/O and the edge of the case- rads take up more space. On top of that, a 120mm AIO, even the LFII, will be outperformed by a medium tower cooler, like a Scythe Mugen 5. If you want an AIO with the glass panel, I'd get the right unit or just take your chances and bottom mount it.
What do you recommend when bottom fans don't fit with the GPU?
Hey, I’m using the u12a on a 9700k with a 3070 gaming x trio in this case, and im considering what to do. since i can’t get fans in the bottom with the stock shroud, what should my fan layout look like? Also would it help to deshroud the gpu to put some p12s down there? Thanks!
Still gathering parts for my NR200 build and have a question. Will the NH-U12A fit with the Gigabyte B550I itx motherboard and both top case fans ?
Yes.
Would really like to see a Noctua cooler push/pull from the bottom up.
I used a big shuriken 3 with a 20mm fan, vertical gpu, and 4 fans in push pull from bottom to top, best setup I've found for this case. I'm matching or beating these thermals with a 2080 super.
Could you do the same build but with a 92mm aio cooling the cpu and top fans? I also think the 3080 is too big to run fans underneath.
Technically yes, but when you can run a 120mm tower cooler even the lower cost ones will get you great performance. Unless there’s a space limitation, I’d never recommend a 92mm or 120mm AIO for cost and complexity.
Thanks for this content. will be building with the nr200p but am still waiting for AIB RX 6000 series. Was planning to do a vertical GPU mount. Do you have tests on this kind of setup?
I’ve done a few tests and the only reason to do so is for putting a radiator on the bottom. Air cooling with a low profile cooler doesn’t work well in this scenario. If you take a look at the review in the MSI Coreliquid there are a few tests with the vertical GPU.
@@MachinesMore will check the review . thanks a lot.
I have the NR200 Non-Glass Panel and I'm looking for a pure Air Flow setup.
I'm considering 2 140s as an intake for the side panel and 2 exhaust top, 2 intakes at the bottom, and 1 rear exhaust. as for CPU cooler, I'm sticking with Stock for the time being and may switch to non-Tower cooler later on.
Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
But if my gpu is so big that it doesn't fit fans at the bottom? 😅
Does the side panel provide any noise/sound benefits? If I were to put the case on my desk would it make a big difference and worth it even losing a few degrees of cooling performance?
About 1dBA or so of dampening- although I will caveat that is with a decibel meter pointed at the glass/vent panel, so depending on placement relative to your ears it can matter or not. The TG dampening results in a more pleasant noise pattern if that side is facing you.
Couldn't find any tests with psu on a front panel.. easier cable management, doesn't cover cpu fan.
Honestly, from your previous videos it didn't look like bottom gpu fans were this important, but now they almost look necessary. My planned build has 5600x, U12a as an intake and probably a 3080 with no bottom fans, but now i should reconsider the airflow direction of the heatsink
They’re not critical for the vented panel but definitely recommended for the TG. For 3080 for sure, rear intake. Couldn’t even get the OC to stick with rear exhaust with a 3080.
What about a high power card with a blower style cooler like a 1080 FE?