@@ryanvouche254 Yeah, in a game where the majority of the combat is melee, let's let a class have projectiles that do pretty solid damage and annoy the shit out of everyone. Why? Because it's a medieval game, we HAVE to have archers. Never said I disagree with the class being in there, but I whole heartily think that it's the easiest class to play and the most annoying to deal with. Also, don't come at me with "Realism this and that" BS, it's a game, it's meant to be fun. With that being said, go on, say something clever.
@@SPDChemist There are some Lists going around already but I don´t think they matter too much at this state, maybe once a ranked or competitive mode or smth is implemented you could see a kind of Meta establishing there but the very chaotic and casual nature of the Objective maps so far doesn´t really warrant this type of hyper optimization and with the different modifiers and damage values against other classes there will never be a truly BEST weapon for every scenario.
@@Red5kull Just one esport and look how the devs quickly buff/nerf things, other than whales the next major factor for buff/nerfs are the results of esports, since sponsors from these events are instant big money, plus the hype esport garners, attracts even more players
@@MangaGamified I don't really understand what you are trying to convey here or what it has to do with my Comment but yeah. Most esports don't make any Profit but it can attract more Players to check out the game that is true
Yeah the damage buff from blunt weapons should at most make it so they do equal percent damage to knights and vanguard not to a point where vanguards need less hits.
Yeah i usualy avoid playing knight. Cause in most cases hes the squishiest character since if your fighting a guy with a blunt weapon your basically as tough as an archer
@@Proxi_Ex I practice hema and every once in a while we do full contact sparing with blunted metal blades and full armor and believe me getting hit on any of your limbs hurts like a mother even through gambison and mail I can imagine it still hurts, probably not lethal but still painful
Very insightful. For me, the fun chiv2 is all about the randomness of the game, hit, push, run for your life, etc I wouldn't strategically plan what weapon I use during the game, I'll go for whatever seems fun to play with
Excellent video Louie! This must have took a lot of time and effort, so thanks a lot for providing us with such an enormous amount of extremely useful information! Truly the king of informative videos both on Mordhau and Chiv 2
Very useful video and spreadsheet, thank you! There aren't really resources like this for this game and I think that hinders it from getting more dedicated/competitive players, so you're doing the whole community a service. Keep it up!
many many thanks for the video and especially the spreadsheet! Its guys like you who take the community to the next level! Great respect for your work!
At the moment I am level 30 and here are some things I noticed in terms of balance. Messer is THE meta weapon. It's long, deals good damage, can hit multiple opponents and fast. It literally has no drawbacks. Other good weapons I've noticed are polehammer, executioner's axe and dane axe. Shortsword and regular sword can swing faster than a riposte in some cases, meaning you can hit people with slow weapons if you spam m1, depends on the angle of attack. Vanguards are too tanky, especially compared to footmen. Most of the time a footmen will die sooner than a vanguard due to how common axe and blunt weapons are. You also noticed this with how maul one shots knights and footmen but not vanguards. Blunt weapons that stop on hit, will not stop on heavy attacks and will pass through enemies. It seems like certain sub-classes are notoriously bad for group fights, especially shield footmen and knight. They are excellent for 1vs1 but the lack of range is a huge problem in normal combat. Some weapons have absurdly wide attack angles, especially longsword and war axe, it can reliably hit people behind you if they are close. Halberd deals less damage if you hit people at close range and, as I mentioned before, can easily be outpaced by sword and shortsword even if you counter every time.
Does weapon damage correlate directly to thrown damage as well? In my experience, the Dane Axe seems like it's basically a one-shot when thrown, but I don't get the same results from other two handers.
great to see more content on this game with breakdowns from knowledgeable players. This is my first game in this genre and its nice having access to info from vets of this genre
You're work is absolutly huge! So usefull to me since I've discover your channel a year ago! I 'm always look forward for the new one! Thanks for that dude! And hope to cross you one day in the battlefield! ;)
Thank you Your Grace! This is an extremely useful video. For someone who gets more takedowns instead of kills, I think I am going to try the weapons which do more damage per hit, to see if it improved the kill ratio.
Executioner's axe has super deceptive range with the animation; the model slides both hands down to the very end of it so its basically full weapon length PLUS the arms, which is not the case with other axes. Treat it like its longer than it is, and turn towards it more to anticipate the hit coming in more from the side. Spears are just aids, but since its always stabs, you can go for stab counters (hold block and stab straight back at it.) Hard to aim correctly at first but master it and then they really can't hit you. If they have a shield, they are usually pretty obsessed with blocking after each stab, and you can often just do a normal block and then kick them to break their pattern.
Subbed and new to the channel here AND Chivalry, I've sweated it for two days and I find the halberd is my best weapon but the maul is slowly taking over, its great for brawling!
And on a sidenote, overall the game feels really good I think. Some things I might think of changing would mess up the well considered balance. You notice how chat is? Shenanigans mostly, the occasional tactics call outs and end game trolls. But nobody is complaining about the game. No BS calls, no nit picking or negative critiques. Everyone just having fun. It's a solid upgrade from Chiv 1 IMO. Beyond fine tuning existing mechanics and adding more content, I'm pretty content.
Considering that most people are picking knights (the best looks and pretty good weapon loadouts) it's wise to consider grabbing at least a blunt secondary.
Great video, thank you for doing all this. What other people might find useful like I did is if they add a new column and use =ROUNDUP(Class health/attack damage). You can then see the amount of hits it takes to kill that class.
It's odd that there aren't head damage bonuses when they give you bonus points for head hits. I'm often swinging for the head regardless - probably to my detriment.
Must be a vector denoting the hit location inthe torso hit boxes, since you can decapitate with the right swing.. rear side hitbox also increases damage pretty sure...
Is it me or these weapons damages and swings speeds have no thought behind them and make zero sense? i have been saying game needs a weapons balance patch since beta first day and this video just proves it more. 1handers deal way too much dmg, Some two handers ranges are near a halberd when they should not be, some swings have too much arc where its almost a 360 degree swing and then some weapons like the Glaive and spear are doing 30-40 dmg with a attack lol...the knife does that damage :( Also usually blunt weapons are way heavier/slower then slash weapons but in this game they are fastest a lot of time? The weapon Bonuses are a bit much also cause it really makes the Vanguard way stronger then it should be and not so much a glass cannon when you look at bonuses against them and then weapon bonuses vs Knights and Footmen.
@@raphaelproulx5414 The glaive i just find the damage too low, tried it a lot tonight and it took 3 hits to kill a robot lol, its basically a dagger on a stick and yes its fast but just takes so many hits to kill people.And blunt i just got usto using heavy swings when its more then 1 and its so brutal, especially the polehammer heavy slashes
Some decisions are weird though the balance is honestly not too bad. Still a lot of weapons do have drawbacks without anything to show for it. Blunt weapons for instance have the stop on hit thing without being better than weapons that don´t. The Maul at least gets the special one shot but the others don´t and are kinda shit.
you missed a 1 shot mechanic. the dane axe throw to the head 1 shots about anything aswell. also throwing damage would be appreciated in the spreadsheet
I did some maths. And by avarage dmg with each strike heave and light. Only difference of amount of swings u need to kill the class is that knight can tank 1 more heavy overhead. It needs 3 Heavy overheads to kill knight while footmen and vanguards die to 2.
does it say "headshot" in the scoring for the kill, or does their head just pop off? I've definitely seen that too but idk if it's actually registered as a headshot, or if the animation just does it to be cool
It's a very strange balancing when the heavy armor high health class gets 1 shot while the low armor low health class takes less damage... I guess that's why you see more vanguards than the others, and footman/knight will just not be played when more people find this out, there is no real benefit to playing them if they take bonus damage whats the point of their "tank" status if they aren't even tanky.
They need to add an interruption animation or something. Some people are literally impossible to hit and we just stand their swinging wildly for a minute until one of us gets behind the other or lands a kick
the jab works really well to interrupt attacks, you've just gotta bait out their swing, step in close and get the timing right. You can destroy folks in duels with that, and make it very hard for someone to 1vX you and your teammates. 1vX only even works because everyone attacks the guy instead of mixing it up with jabs and kicks as well
I find it an odd choice that knights don't have damager reduction for slash damage, or that they don't only have a smaller blunt damager bonus. With all the bonus damage against them it takes away from them being true tanks, despite the extra hit points. (there should probably be no one hitter against them imo) Idk maybe we all need to accept this is intended as a more casual game so true balance + roles wasn't as important Have you done any evaluation of weapon reach and hit boxes? I swear some weapons over reach, or it's just from lag.
The ambusher damage bonus often doesn't trigger, and do you know what causes people to get knocked down? it's such an annoying mechanic for someone who plays as an assassin.
Huge effort - thanks. Two handed hammer seems quite weak. It's very slow in my experience and mostly does less damage than the (much faster) warhammer. Does the additional range make up for it?
Tbh I’ve grown to respect the archer role as I’ve grinded trying to get 100% achievements. The pure stress I endured leveling up to unlock skirmisher, followed by the struggle of learning war bow after finally unlocking it… overall I’d say it’s worth it purely just learning how to take advantage of munitions and such, but protecting a teammate getting into a 1vX by headshotting a random fucknut you see moving to hit him from the back, and nothing feels better
Don't forget that when you use the Archer class, you increase your Estrogen intake.
😂
So chivalry is like mordhau with non stop bitching about archers... in a medieval game..
if they have 90 health, that means they take 3 damage for every year they live then
I’m only using it to get the achievement for shooting 1000 arrows. Once I’m done I ain’t touching that class ever again makes you feel like a bitch 😂
@@ryanvouche254 Yeah, in a game where the majority of the combat is melee, let's let a class have projectiles that do pretty solid damage and annoy the shit out of everyone. Why? Because it's a medieval game, we HAVE to have archers. Never said I disagree with the class being in there, but I whole heartily think that it's the easiest class to play and the most annoying to deal with. Also, don't come at me with "Realism this and that" BS, it's a game, it's meant to be fun. With that being said, go on, say something clever.
When you do an inevitable weapon guide or tier list, I think you should split it in 1v1 and 1vX. That distinction is quite important to make!
Yes, definitely! I always do that for my Mordhau weapon tierlists. Anything else is comparing apples with oranges.
@@KingLouie111 will doing a weapon tier list ruin the diversity in the game? I suppose if you don’t do it, someone else will.
@@SPDChemist There are some Lists going around already but I don´t think they matter too much at this state, maybe once a ranked or competitive mode or smth is implemented you could see a kind of Meta establishing there but the very chaotic and casual nature of the Objective maps so far doesn´t really warrant this type of hyper optimization and with the different modifiers and damage values against other classes there will never be a truly BEST weapon for every scenario.
@@Red5kull Just one esport and look how the devs quickly buff/nerf things, other than whales the next major factor for buff/nerfs are the results of esports, since sponsors from these events are instant big money, plus the hype esport garners, attracts even more players
@@MangaGamified I don't really understand what you are trying to convey here or what it has to do with my Comment but yeah. Most esports don't make any Profit but it can attract more Players to check out the game that is true
the amount of hard work you put into your videos is admirable KingLouie!
Vanguards being tankier than knights in some cases is a very strange balance decision
yeah vanguards are better in my opinion , especially since you got my distance between your target compared to the knight
Yeah the damage buff from blunt weapons should at most make it so they do equal percent damage to knights and vanguard not to a point where vanguards need less hits.
Yeah i usualy avoid playing knight. Cause in most cases hes the squishiest character since if your fighting a guy with a blunt weapon your basically as tough as an archer
the oddest thing tho.. why can u cut with bladed weapons through plate armor?
@@Proxi_Ex I practice hema and every once in a while we do full contact sparing with blunted metal blades and full armor and believe me getting hit on any of your limbs hurts like a mother even through gambison and mail
I can imagine it still hurts, probably not lethal but still painful
Dank dir für das Video!
Keiner auf UA-cam macht so eine gute Analyse zu den Waffen, DANKE!
Ist er Deutsch? Ich dachte Belgien oder so
@@manneli8631 Österreich nach dem kanal.
I like your works foreign man
Very insightful.
For me, the fun chiv2 is all about the randomness of the game, hit, push, run for your life, etc
I wouldn't strategically plan what weapon I use during the game, I'll go for whatever seems fun to play with
Thank you for this information and taking the time to put this together!
You rock King Louie, by far my favorite medieval slasher commentary on UA-cam!
Excellent video Louie! This must have took a lot of time and effort, so thanks a lot for providing us with such an enormous amount of extremely useful information! Truly the king of informative videos both on Mordhau and Chiv 2
This is hands down the best and most informative chiv 2 info vid I've seen so far. Very concise aswell, thanks for this.
As soon as the words, "so I gathered all the data myself and made a spreadsheet" were spoken, I liked and Subscribed.
This was an excellently presented analysis, great work! Love your data collection and your presentation of it in a more simplified manner.
These videos are great. Your beginners guide video has already helped me get better by a lot compared to where I was before.
Very useful video and spreadsheet, thank you! There aren't really resources like this for this game and I think that hinders it from getting more dedicated/competitive players, so you're doing the whole community a service. Keep it up!
Damn bro you provided a spreadsheet! Liked and subscribed just for that reason! Good info too ofc.
"so to be able to make this video I gathered the necessary..." Jesus that's a big spreadsheet 👀 appreciate the effort 0:30
many many thanks for the video and especially the spreadsheet! Its guys like you who take the community to the next level! Great respect for your work!
At the moment I am level 30 and here are some things I noticed in terms of balance.
Messer is THE meta weapon. It's long, deals good damage, can hit multiple opponents and fast. It literally has no drawbacks. Other good weapons I've noticed are polehammer, executioner's axe and dane axe.
Shortsword and regular sword can swing faster than a riposte in some cases, meaning you can hit people with slow weapons if you spam m1, depends on the angle of attack.
Vanguards are too tanky, especially compared to footmen. Most of the time a footmen will die sooner than a vanguard due to how common axe and blunt weapons are. You also noticed this with how maul one shots knights and footmen but not vanguards.
Blunt weapons that stop on hit, will not stop on heavy attacks and will pass through enemies.
It seems like certain sub-classes are notoriously bad for group fights, especially shield footmen and knight. They are excellent for 1vs1 but the lack of range is a huge problem in normal combat.
Some weapons have absurdly wide attack angles, especially longsword and war axe, it can reliably hit people behind you if they are close. Halberd deals less damage if you hit people at close range and, as I mentioned before, can easily be outpaced by sword and shortsword even if you counter every time.
Does weapon damage correlate directly to thrown damage as well? In my experience, the Dane Axe seems like it's basically a one-shot when thrown, but I don't get the same results from other two handers.
Had the same question.
Doesn't the dane axe have a special throwing damage multiplier?
amazing, thank you so much for that weapon dmg sheet. i was working on it myself, but this is exactly what i needed :) subbed
great to see more content on this game with breakdowns from knowledgeable players. This is my first game in this genre and its nice having access to info from vets of this genre
i was so confused while watching, then i realised oh 2 years old video ^^
still a good one
Damn dude. You really put work into this stuff. More people should appreciate you. Keep up the good content man!
You making the best vids for this game right now, keep it up bro 👍🏻
Freaking awesome! Thank you for this. I was looking for something like this for days now. :)
You're work is absolutly huge! So usefull to me since I've discover your channel a year ago! I 'm always look forward for the new one! Thanks for that dude! And hope to cross you one day in the battlefield! ;)
Good stuff. Would be nice to have a video of what weapons you think are best.
Okay, this spreadsheet is commitment! Gained a sub
Thank you Your Grace! This is an extremely useful video. For someone who gets more takedowns instead of kills, I think I am going to try the weapons which do more damage per hit, to see if it improved the kill ratio.
What a gem of a find, you have my gratitude! Though I'm also hoping to find a damage sheet for throw damage somewhere.
Dane axe and war axe/battle axe easiest way to be top of the leaderboard they need to be slower than long sword not just a directly better choice :)
Amazing video! Looking for this since day one.
Executioner’s axe is definitely the go to weapon when you’re playing in the 64 player modes. Helps a ton with multi kills.
Agreed the reach n damage is wicked on it .
Disagreed
Yea easily one of the best weapons in the game
Yeah it’s one of the worst weapons in the game
War Axe ftw
Chivalry 2 is such a great game, your my favourite youtuber, keep it up. Id like to see a best kills compliation or something like that
Respect for the amount of effort you put into this my guy, been watching your videos for a while but this finally got me to sub!
I appreciate the effort he made by making his own spreadsheet
Been needing this, thank you
Very impressive Excel sheet and good video!
Thanks for putting in the work man! Much appreciated.
I seem to always get clapped by the Executioners Axe and the One Handed Spear. Both are nearly impossible to block.
Executioner's axe has super deceptive range with the animation; the model slides both hands down to the very end of it so its basically full weapon length PLUS the arms, which is not the case with other axes. Treat it like its longer than it is, and turn towards it more to anticipate the hit coming in more from the side. Spears are just aids, but since its always stabs, you can go for stab counters (hold block and stab straight back at it.) Hard to aim correctly at first but master it and then they really can't hit you. If they have a shield, they are usually pretty obsessed with blocking after each stab, and you can often just do a normal block and then kick them to break their pattern.
Man, thanks a lot for such a work you've done!
Thanks for putting all the work for this mate
Fantastic video, only missing thrown weapon damage stats. Would be great to see a second video going over these if they are much different
Thank you so much for the stats. Polehammers "one klick-hit-kill" special attack for the win : D
Your background gameplay is better than any "epic moments" type montage
Nice vid bro. We need more!
This is sooo good!! Can you please make one about secondary weapons?
Subbed and new to the channel here AND Chivalry, I've sweated it for two days and I find the halberd is my best weapon but the maul is slowly taking over, its great for brawling!
And on a sidenote, overall the game feels really good I think. Some things I might think of changing would mess up the well considered balance. You notice how chat is? Shenanigans mostly, the occasional tactics call outs and end game trolls. But nobody is complaining about the game. No BS calls, no nit picking or negative critiques. Everyone just having fun. It's a solid upgrade from Chiv 1 IMO. Beyond fine tuning existing mechanics and adding more content, I'm pretty content.
Just started up the game wondering wether anyone already figured out the weapons exactly as this was uploaded :D
Have fun mate !
@@frederic6970 Thanks m8 you too!
you re doing the God's work, brother
The messer power attack has an underhand attack that attacks the legs
Greatsword also.
The maul is so slow and short but man, when it hits, it really gets the job done.
Love the video, do you happen to have the "throw damage stats"?
The dude became a data scientist just for this video :D Like
Thats dedication dude! Nice
Considering that most people are picking knights (the best looks and pretty good weapon loadouts) it's wise to consider grabbing at least a blunt secondary.
Thank you for the spreadsheet
The Messer has an under swing attack with it's special.
Thr amount of messers I've punishes using a shovel...
Great video, thank you for doing all this.
What other people might find useful like I did is if they add a new column and use =ROUNDUP(Class health/attack damage). You can then see the amount of hits it takes to kill that class.
It's odd that there aren't head damage bonuses when they give you bonus points for head hits. I'm often swinging for the head regardless - probably to my detriment.
Thanks for all this hard work, I’m still gonna get clapped by Messers repeatedly tho
Must be a vector denoting the hit location inthe torso hit boxes, since you can decapitate with the right swing.. rear side hitbox also increases damage pretty sure...
I haven't started, but I just realized, there is an option to turn decap heads to cabbages?
This is extremely informative. Great job, man!
Is it me or these weapons damages and swings speeds have no thought behind them and make zero sense? i have been saying game needs a weapons balance patch since beta first day and this video just proves it more. 1handers deal way too much dmg, Some two handers ranges are near a halberd when they should not be, some swings have too much arc where its almost a 360 degree swing and then some weapons like the Glaive and spear are doing 30-40 dmg with a attack lol...the knife does that damage :(
Also usually blunt weapons are way heavier/slower then slash weapons but in this game they are fastest a lot of time?
The weapon Bonuses are a bit much also cause it really makes the Vanguard way stronger then it should be and not so much a glass cannon when you look at bonuses against them and then weapon bonuses vs Knights and Footmen.
@@raphaelproulx5414 The glaive i just find the damage too low, tried it a lot tonight and it took 3 hits to kill a robot lol, its basically a dagger on a stick and yes its fast but just takes so many hits to kill people.And blunt i just got usto using heavy swings when its more then 1 and its so brutal, especially the polehammer heavy slashes
Some decisions are weird though the balance is honestly not too bad.
Still a lot of weapons do have drawbacks without anything to show for it. Blunt weapons for instance have the stop on hit thing without being better than weapons that don´t. The Maul at least gets the special one shot but the others don´t and are kinda shit.
I feel like Louie is the best Chivalry player
you missed a 1 shot mechanic. the dane axe throw to the head 1 shots about anything aswell. also throwing damage would be appreciated in the spreadsheet
I did some maths. And by avarage dmg with each strike heave and light. Only difference of amount of swings u need to kill the class is that knight can tank 1 more heavy overhead. It needs 3 Heavy overheads to kill knight while footmen and vanguards die to 2.
Thanks a lot for this!
The gauges for speed, reach, and damage are more like guidelines than absolute values
1:40 but i already have done headshot kill with the special of the helberd, how is this possible if there is no calculation of that?
does it say "headshot" in the scoring for the kill, or does their head just pop off? I've definitely seen that too but idk if it's actually registered as a headshot, or if the animation just does it to be cool
Why does a cabbage pop out of that dudes head at 0:08?
The gore level is on the lowest setting
Hitting someone with a battle axe special is so satisfying. Feels like splitting someone like a block of wood.
You're doing God's work. Thanks for the breakdown.
Wait, are you the guy that did Mod highlights for Bannerlord? Oh i haven't seen you in forever!
You, sir, are brilliant!
Thanks my friend, very helpful :)
Thanks so much for the video! For new players attracted by the June 2022 steam release, is the data in the linked weapon damage sheet still accurate?
The greatswords special attach does actually do an underhand attack
you said no uppercut like attacks, i think the messer special attack is towards legs? not sure so correct me if wrong
Love damage guide thanks KingLouie111! Any chance of getting throw damages for weapons?
Thanks, this was great info.
While playing the other day I stabbed a knight with the two handed spear but it actually gave me a reduced number like I had a debuff or something.
What's the difference between a "heavy" attack and a "special" one?
It's a very strange balancing when the heavy armor high health class gets 1 shot while the low armor low health class takes less damage... I guess that's why you see more vanguards than the others, and footman/knight will just not be played when more people find this out, there is no real benefit to playing them if they take bonus damage whats the point of their "tank" status if they aren't even tanky.
They need to add an interruption animation or something. Some people are literally impossible to hit and we just stand their swinging wildly for a minute until one of us gets behind the other or lands a kick
the jab works really well to interrupt attacks, you've just gotta bait out their swing, step in close and get the timing right. You can destroy folks in duels with that, and make it very hard for someone to 1vX you and your teammates. 1vX only even works because everyone attacks the guy instead of mixing it up with jabs and kicks as well
I find it an odd choice that knights don't have damager reduction for slash damage, or that they don't only have a smaller blunt damager bonus. With all the bonus damage against them it takes away from them being true tanks, despite the extra hit points. (there should probably be no one hitter against them imo) Idk maybe we all need to accept this is intended as a more casual game so true balance + roles wasn't as important
Have you done any evaluation of weapon reach and hit boxes? I swear some weapons over reach, or it's just from lag.
the fact that crossbows deal blunt might be one of if not the only dumbest design choices in the game
The ambusher damage bonus often doesn't trigger, and do you know what causes people to get knocked down? it's such an annoying mechanic for someone who plays as an assassin.
Huge effort - thanks. Two handed hammer seems quite weak. It's very slow in my experience and mostly does less damage than the (much faster) warhammer. Does the additional range make up for it?
Hey @KingLouie111 Will you make a video on stamina drain of weapons, stamina in general in the game and weapon integrity?
Tbh I’ve grown to respect the archer role as I’ve grinded trying to get 100% achievements. The pure stress I endured leveling up to unlock skirmisher, followed by the struggle of learning war bow after finally unlocking it… overall I’d say it’s worth it purely just learning how to take advantage of munitions and such, but protecting a teammate getting into a 1vX by headshotting a random fucknut you see moving to hit him from the back, and nothing feels better
This all just seems so strange.. Especially the blunt weapons doing bonus damage to only the 2nds most armored and 4th most armored?
There’s upper cut with sword special right? Maybe I’m trippin
Its for the messer & greatsword
Thx a lot for the job !
What is the damage number for the bandage kit. I know it does damage when you throw it at someone but not how much.
Can I ask, what actually is a special attack?
Is it just the leaping, charging type things?
Or do you press something in particular to do them?
A high damage attack with (usually) longer windup on a separate keybind.
does the "from behind bonus damage" from the ambusher class apply to every weapon you pick up as well?
Great work