Stridah have you forgotten about the quarterstaff special? It is wild if you don't get interrupted. Sure it's not the best but it can devastate a group with a special or stagger an enemy during a gank with that special. It has a controlled special. I swear by it, it's worse than a spear. Try mastering the special and you'll see what I mean.
Repect for putting longsword in the a tier. I agree that 1-2 years ago it was used a lot more. In the beginning it was all i used. I will say that a stray longsword user can really mess up anyone, though. I think it really shines in letting its user make mistakes and recover quickly.
the long sword is a nice mix between being forgiving when you make a mistake and a little easier to punish someone's mistake than some but in that it doesn't hit all too hard compared to other weapons that give a lot more risk and reward.
I’ve been in love with the war axe since the first time I picked it up. It’s very much built for 1vx engagements, has a deceptively fast swing time, and has some reach to help close the gap against spears. However, its normal swing has mediocre damage, and lacks the range and drag finesse of say the exe axe. For someone who doesn’t care about pulling off 360 drags or other advanced maneuvers, but simply wants to rip heads, it’s the perfect weapon. Crude, unsophisticated, but it gets the job done. I believe it actually used to be op but it got a single nerf at some point. Overall, the war axe outputs a ton of damage in skilled 1vx hands, and combined with the horn, can lead to one having an outsized impact on the team. Considering most high level players use the knight class, having the extra damage def raises dps.
@@BigOleJarOfDirtIt’s built for anything that involves a ballista imo. Even on Dark Forest it can help remove catapults from a distance (though it does take quite a few arrows)
Heavy mace my beloved Im now lvl 87 and have mained knight with greatsword then switch too footman with ligh shield and sword then i used the rapier and now ive tryd the heavy mace and im waay better than before and the weapon is a dream.
Unironically the glaive is probably A tier in 1v1s specifically. The speed and range are just so good if you have your spacing down. It can be just as good as the TH spear
The only thing I would change is maybe moving the war club into A tier. I think with how long it is + how fast the accels are you can play it kind of like a spear and just gamble over and over again from behind your team mates and be pretty safe. Otherwise, everything else seems accurate
Not too sure if the bows should be dismissed so easily. The fact that you can't block arrows and bolts allows the archer to control enemy movement if he's shooting at someone who's already fighting one of his teammates, and I'd argue that even if you aren't consistently hitting your shots, the enemy is much more likely to walk into your teammate's swings than if he was fighting uninterrupted. I find that the Crossbow's the most solid pick overall, since you don't need to spend stamina to reload, and the War Bow just feels like the main purpose is to bodyshot enemy archers at the expense of sacrificing the utility of the Bow and Crossbow. Bow, I'm not too sure how to feel about it and I think i'd only ever use if i ever feel like hitting people on the head with the hatchet, and Siege Crossbow is hyperspecialized in suppressing particularly oppressive siege weapons, though the only melee you'd really only use with it is the starting knife.
W tier list. Yeah Highland Sword may not be top tier against high level players, but it does easily mop up these bot lobbies that I keep getting put into
I got 2.3 kd on warbow tho people are sleeping on it. 1 hit archers unless overhealed which can be dealed with via a headshot or fire arrows, 2 hit vanguards, 3 on footman and 3 on knights. If you hit headshots its just 1.5-2 hits for those two and the only thing they can do is counter which they aint hittin
Solid placement! I would still put Longsword in S Tier because the speed makes it really good at 1vX and ripostes, while the damage is still decent enough. Also, every attack type is solid. Heavy Mace is great but lacks the same 1vX ability as other weapons in S tier, plus you need to use heavy cleave to hit multiple targets, and it doesn't have the same reach as other weapons in the tier. I would put it in A Tier. War Club can be really oppressive in 1v1, but agreed that it's not great at 1vX so the ranking makes sense. Laughed at archer weapons in trash tier.
Having cleave-through is irrelevant in high level lobbies since players will counter your attacks anyway. Hitstop can also work to your advantage in many scenarios because you get to combo or block another incoming attack much sooner after you hit someone and don't have to wait for the animation to finish. I would argue that it's better to have hit-stop weapon like hmace than a cleave-through weapon in 1vX situations against really good players because of the fact you get to combo so much sooner, but only against seasoned players. I've played both 10v10 and 32v32 comp matches and i would still put heavy mace in S tier. Fighting more than 3 good players at once is usually a death sentence anyway. Battle axe should be low s-tier as well in my opinion, simply because you can practically 2 shot any class in the game and it does soo much damage and stam drain, and currently it reigns supreme over other 2 handed weapons in the duel meta, but i understand this is a TO list so A-tier is understandable.
@@yesyesy8793 Good points. Battle axe hits like a truck and the riposte and combo speed is surprisingly fast, but I've gotta agree that it lacks the reach of some of the other axes. It destroys in 1v1 and maybe 1v2 but everyone has to be relatively close.
Not really. Heavy mace has infamous counter frames when heavy slashing. You can catch off-guard some enemies in 1vX scenarios and come out scott free. Plus better stamina damage negation
22:50 I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE SIEGE CROSSBOW SLANDER! BEST WEAPON IN THE WORLD!!! (The best use I found for the Siege Crossbow is to break banners and engi walls, along with shooting people through siege weapons. It isn't good at killing people on the front, but great against what usually helps teams win in pubs, siege weapons and constructibles).
Also although katars are in the 1 handed category, I'd put them in 2 handed (As although you can wear a shield with them, you cannot equip the shield and katars at the same time), and not rank them well lol. Fun weapons, but not viable unless you want to play at a disadvantage. Still really fun tho
It takes 3 shots to destroy a single ballista and 6 shots(im not sure) for catapults. Reloading and firing that thing takes too much time man dont get me wrong
@@pete4828 A rather under looked aspect of the crossbow is the penetration, which is a good deterrent from stopping people from using the things as you break them. It does take a lot of time to break them, but wasting time with your bow is a much better trade with time wasted not using the siege weapons.
@@PunchPunchPunchPunch yeah it’s true but I find siege crossbow very situational. Besides breaking siege weapons, I don’t think using it to destroy barricades and banners are effective way
Ive been on a halberd kick for over a couple months and idk if i can go back to longsword even though ive went god mode with it the halberd is just so damn fun
Mad disrespect for the Siege Crossbow. Banner suppression and siege weapon suppression are the most helpful things an archer can do for the their team, on the correct map and phase. Longbow chip damage also holds similar value to the War Bow damage. Longbow generates a lot more takedowns than the War Bow. While it doesn't have the same damage potential, Longbow stands maybe a half step below the War Bow.
Depends on your playstyle, but longer ranged weapons who have a faster charge up phase are better (Glaive for example, I'm not saying it's good, but it does fit the criteria)
Yet another set of stinky takes from stinkah's angels, as expected. Any chiv player worth their salt knows the best weapon is the friends we made along the way.
Glaive is trash??? I strongly disagree because it has probably the mist messed timings: extremely fast slash release, mid overhead release and long ahh stab release with a huge window to land a hit make this weapon hard to get used to when you go against it
Long Sword S tier damage is lower though. War Axe is probably the best weapon in TO, Halberd A tier its far from goated. Heavy Mace in 1v1 is A tier and is top 2 for B tier in TO. I have a friend that is always top 5 with crossbow it's wild and bows are OP if you know what to do. Heavy Mace is A tier it shits on people but once the lobbies dwindle it's not as great in 1v1 scenarios imo 2 Handed Hammer is better in many scenarios. Dane Axe is the Messer of Axes in good hands its as good as any weapon out there. Two handed spear is goated but only in good hands.
Crossbow is highly effective on defense when NA East is stacked. My well placed banners and kill shots usually land me very high up on the scoreboard while my team gets mauled by the attackers
@@StridahsAngels yes they do. My friend who’s American can pronounce it pretty well. I think it’s more that you don’t know how to pronounce instead of you being simply incapable of it (this regards to most Americans, I don’t mean to make it personal)
This might be the worst take on here. Heavy mace is one of the most meta and used weapons in comp chiv TO. Assuming you have never played anything but match making?
@@StridahsAngels Heavy Mace is hit stop. I top score in OCE most matches, don't play too much TO now because it's too easy. I prefer HM for duels, it's mid for TO.
@@BigRiffsRigsso you have only played pub TO, no clan vs clan or comp events, tournament grounds etc. but are arguing based on something you have no knowledge or experience in. I know the competitive meta from experience. Heavy mace is one of the most meta comp picks period. Battle axe is great but more niche in these lobbies. The comp experience is vastly different then killing shitters in pubs.
25 gigachads and 5 archers are better than 30 gigachads. I have not seen a duelist with 4,000 hours of play kill me when I put the 3rd bolt at him from 30 meters. But I have seen that if you consistently choose strong duelists on the enemy team as a barrier, a victory notification appears. You choose the strongest ones and shoot at them. It's simple. They move differently and choose directions carefully. Their logic is simple: kill trash. They avoid strong players on your team. Strong players on your team don't need help, they trample trash on the enemy. The shooter's job is to reset 4,000 hours of enemy experience. Shooting in this game is a great equalizer. I don't need a big name to put 2-3 shells into you. You won't remember me because I won't be top 1. I'll be top 5 and my team will win. Shooters are annoying because they are the great equalizers. Good shooters are few and far between and you're unlikely to remember them.
Now that I have time this comment fails so hard. I clearly state the list is based more around clan battles, tournament grounds or more serious events. And by the comment I can tell you have never played in any of these events. If one team goes 5 archers it is a free win for the other team, going 1 archer is considered throwing. You may like archer but it has been proven over 3 years to be competitively not viable.
@@StridahsAngels You are right. As for melee 2 handers weapons, I have exactly the same preferences as in this tier list. Maybe that's why I got confused. I really thought that this list was suitable for a regular game. I have the same thoughts 1 in 1. Except that I take a glaive to the hammer, in case I get stuck on the vanguard, so that I can sweep it like a broom and leave the battle. But I'm not sure that it will work against even average good players. But she's funny. I played in tournaments in the first part of Chivalry, in Modhau, and Pirates Knights and Vikings 2, a long time ago. I wrote specifically about a quick game for 64 people without horses. With horses, an archer is probably good simply because he has stakes, but the infantryman has them too. The tier list was originally positioned taking into account the game against good players, as I understand it. In a quick game, when a tournament guy like you shows up, the best decision for me is to take a shooter, otherwise we lose. Usually, a tournament player also gets a VIP. Can you imagine my face when I try to break through this guy, with all his buffs? It's easier to shoot him. In tournaments, or clan servers, I don't really understand how the economy works. But judging by the limitation on spearmen and halberdiers, I can assume that they should be the target of shooters. Since they are in short supply. I don't know the conditions of your serious games. Are there catapults, special abilities, and what happens there in general.
Don't care what anyone says people who know how to use the bow will help a team so hard since they can focus people dropping health which give the people hit 2 options push and die or retreat and heal either way you remove people from the fight attacking or defending.
@helpiamsuffering603 i only don't since it just depends on what's going on there's some parts where a bow would get you clapped but the parts where a bow will piss off the other team and hold them back or get them off the OBJ why not use all your tools instead of just having caveman brain and stick to one thing
@@whiteguyomg1601 because archers are typically useless. I don’t know if i’ve ever been held off by a bow from objective. like if an archer just kills me i’ll just run by him, one tap him and go back to objective. Bow is so stupid easy tho so i get your point, ive gone like 30+ kills no deaths just backlining noobs
@StridahsAngels only closed minded because it depends how it's being used and the part of the map you are on its gonna be pretty useless in some areas but even you said there's a few out there who can put in work with a bow plus I was always told bows and cross bow was banned from comp so I never really cared for it
Archer hate is lame. It's a great support class, especially crossbowmen with their banner (literally nobody else but guardian has it), and even in melee with shortsword/axe/hatchet due to speed/low team kill potential/good damage (best to hit already preoccupied enemies than 1x1 obviously). There is nothing great about halberd/any other weapon noobs feeding counters/teamkilling/blocking your way/whatever bs either.
@@StridahsAngels I was talking about casual lobbies indeed. About competitive scene I can take your opinion over mine. Nonetheless, I am against "muh archers ruin the game they don't deserve to exist".
I play archer most of the time. I'm usually middle to top tiers score of my team with a positive K/D and in general 30 to 40 takedowns. Am i considered a liability ?
Just ignore this stupid archer hate "meme". It's a great support class, especially crossbowmen with their banner (literally nobody else but guardian has it), and even in melee with shortsword/axe/hatchet due to speed/low team kill potential/good damage (best to hit already preoccupied enemies than 1x1 obviously). There is nothing great about halberd/any other weapon noobs feeding counters/teamkilling/blocking your way/whatever bs either.
How dare you use bows in a medieval fight game? Jk, I actually like playing archer from time to time. I guess it’s just high level players who get angry that they can’t stomp you like they stomp half the lobby and everyone else agrees with them because they’re high levels
What changes would you make to the list IF YOU HAVE COMP EXPERIENCE?
I agree with pretty much the whole list except for the Polehammer. I think it belongs in at least the A tier. I would put it S
Stridah have you forgotten about the quarterstaff special? It is wild if you don't get interrupted. Sure it's not the best but it can devastate a group with a special or stagger an enemy during a gank with that special. It has a controlled special. I swear by it, it's worse than a spear. Try mastering the special and you'll see what I mean.
Bruh, flaming chicken FTW. That is all.
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Barrel is the ultimate 2 handed weapon
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Anvil is superior
Repect for putting longsword in the a tier. I agree that 1-2 years ago it was used a lot more. In the beginning it was all i used. I will say that a stray longsword user can really mess up anyone, though. I think it really shines in letting its user make mistakes and recover quickly.
the long sword is a nice mix between being forgiving when you make a mistake and a little easier to punish someone's mistake than some but in that it doesn't hit all too hard compared to other weapons that give a lot more risk and reward.
Poleaxe is a hidden gem, it's like a swiss army knife.
Facts
I wish it still had the leaping strike sprint special 😢
@@WinchestertonfieldsvilleYou can do that with Vanguard, if you pick up a poleaxe I believe
@TheGuyThatEnjoysArguments Yeap. And most the other 2hs's. The poleaxe one was like a unique leap with little extra added distance, plus that armorrrr
@@TheGuyThatEnjoysArguments 5 min mark in ziggy's "poleaxe guide video"
I’ve been in love with the war axe since the first time I picked it up. It’s very much built for 1vx engagements, has a deceptively fast swing time, and has some reach to help close the gap against spears. However, its normal swing has mediocre damage, and lacks the range and drag finesse of say the exe axe. For someone who doesn’t care about pulling off 360 drags or other advanced maneuvers, but simply wants to rip heads, it’s the perfect weapon. Crude, unsophisticated, but it gets the job done.
I believe it actually used to be op but it got a single nerf at some point.
Overall, the war axe outputs a ton of damage in skilled 1vx hands, and combined with the horn, can lead to one having an outsized impact on the team. Considering most high level players use the knight class, having the extra damage def raises dps.
Could you do a throwables tier list? I love launching barrels and getting kills on unsuspecting enemies.
I don’t participate in tossing maybe emperor bubble will
One can’t deny Siege Crossbow is nice for taking out hard to reach ballistas or shooting through the barricades at the VIPs
Siege Crossbow was built for 2nd Phase Montcrux, 1st Phase Stronghold, and just general banner suppression.
@@BigOleJarOfDirtIt’s built for anything that involves a ballista imo. Even on Dark Forest it can help remove catapults from a distance (though it does take quite a few arrows)
@@GoldBrady
I always use the Siege Crossbow on Trajan. That ballista leading up to the main gate is punishing
the glave hate is insane
It’s not hate, accurate statement
Heavy mace my beloved
Im now lvl 87 and have mained knight with greatsword then switch too footman with ligh shield and sword then i used the rapier and now ive tryd the heavy mace and im waay better than before and the weapon is a dream.
Unironically the glaive is probably A tier in 1v1s specifically. The speed and range are just so good if you have your spacing down. It can be just as good as the TH spear
I’ll have to see if anyone went Glaive in trial by blood.
@@StridahsAngels they used the Rapier instead
The only thing I would change is maybe moving the war club into A tier. I think with how long it is + how fast the accels are you can play it kind of like a spear and just gamble over and over again from behind your team mates and be pretty safe. Otherwise, everything else seems accurate
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keen for 1H list. thanks man
You got it!
As a member of pole-axe cult I appreciated your thoughts about our beloved. Maybe it would be in A tier
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i miss the old Q
Not too sure if the bows should be dismissed so easily. The fact that you can't block arrows and bolts allows the archer to control enemy movement if he's shooting at someone who's already fighting one of his teammates, and I'd argue that even if you aren't consistently hitting your shots, the enemy is much more likely to walk into your teammate's swings than if he was fighting uninterrupted.
I find that the Crossbow's the most solid pick overall, since you don't need to spend stamina to reload, and the War Bow just feels like the main purpose is to bodyshot enemy archers at the expense of sacrificing the utility of the Bow and Crossbow. Bow, I'm not too sure how to feel about it and I think i'd only ever use if i ever feel like hitting people on the head with the hatchet, and Siege Crossbow is hyperspecialized in suppressing particularly oppressive siege weapons, though the only melee you'd really only use with it is the starting knife.
Have you ever played comp chiv?
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@@StridahsAngelsI’ll remember our Angel events when I’m 80 yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off my grass!🤣
archer as a VIP person is your nightmare
It’s a free kill
Happens a lot in eu server when i play crossbow. My name is taniguchi fumi
W tier list. Yeah Highland Sword may not be top tier against high level players, but it does easily mop up these bot lobbies that I keep getting put into
I got 2.3 kd on warbow tho people are sleeping on it. 1 hit archers unless overhealed which can be dealed with via a headshot or fire arrows, 2 hit vanguards, 3 on footman and 3 on knights.
If you hit headshots its just 1.5-2 hits for those two and the only thing they can do is counter which they aint hittin
Bro flexed war bow kda… in pubs 😂
Bro is literally bragging about his kd as an archer 😂
@crazyfrog6981 i love the war bow it is slept on but it's really a "depends on senerio" type deal mainly when it's all skilled players in one lobby.
Solid placement!
I would still put Longsword in S Tier because the speed makes it really good at 1vX and ripostes, while the damage is still decent enough. Also, every attack type is solid.
Heavy Mace is great but lacks the same 1vX ability as other weapons in S tier, plus you need to use heavy cleave to hit multiple targets, and it doesn't have the same reach as other weapons in the tier. I would put it in A Tier.
War Club can be really oppressive in 1v1, but agreed that it's not great at 1vX so the ranking makes sense.
Laughed at archer weapons in trash tier.
Heavy mace is pretty much consensus top tier amongst the comp
Having cleave-through is irrelevant in high level lobbies since players will counter your attacks anyway. Hitstop can also work to your advantage in many scenarios because you get to combo or block another incoming attack much sooner after you hit someone and don't have to wait for the animation to finish.
I would argue that it's better to have hit-stop weapon like hmace than a cleave-through weapon in 1vX situations against really good players because of the fact you get to combo so much sooner, but only against seasoned players.
I've played both 10v10 and 32v32 comp matches and i would still put heavy mace in S tier. Fighting more than 3 good players at once is usually a death sentence anyway.
Battle axe should be low s-tier as well in my opinion, simply because you can practically 2 shot any class in the game and it does soo much damage and stam drain, and currently it reigns supreme over other 2 handed weapons in the duel meta, but i understand this is a TO list so A-tier is understandable.
@@yesyesy8793 Good points. Battle axe hits like a truck and the riposte and combo speed is surprisingly fast, but I've gotta agree that it lacks the reach of some of the other axes. It destroys in 1v1 and maybe 1v2 but everyone has to be relatively close.
Random questions where do you get the icons for the weapons
Not really. Heavy mace has infamous counter frames when heavy slashing. You can catch off-guard some enemies in 1vX scenarios and come out scott free. Plus better stamina damage negation
22:50 I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE SIEGE CROSSBOW SLANDER! BEST WEAPON IN THE WORLD!!! (The best use I found for the Siege Crossbow is to break banners and engi walls, along with shooting people through siege weapons. It isn't good at killing people on the front, but great against what usually helps teams win in pubs, siege weapons and constructibles).
Also although katars are in the 1 handed category, I'd put them in 2 handed (As although you can wear a shield with them, you cannot equip the shield and katars at the same time), and not rank them well lol. Fun weapons, but not viable unless you want to play at a disadvantage. Still really fun tho
It takes 3 shots to destroy a single ballista and 6 shots(im not sure) for catapults. Reloading and firing that thing takes too much time man dont get me wrong
@@pete4828 A rather under looked aspect of the crossbow is the penetration, which is a good deterrent from stopping people from using the things as you break them. It does take a lot of time to break them, but wasting time with your bow is a much better trade with time wasted not using the siege weapons.
@@PunchPunchPunchPunch yeah it’s true but I find siege crossbow very situational. Besides breaking siege weapons, I don’t think using it to destroy barricades and banners are effective way
Woah. Relax, archer....
Ive been on a halberd kick for over a couple months and idk if i can go back to longsword even though ive went god mode with it the halberd is just so damn fun
Where do you get the icons for your tier list
No clue template on google
me watching while at 50,8% glaive on 40 hours
Mad disrespect for the Siege Crossbow. Banner suppression and siege weapon suppression are the most helpful things an archer can do for the their team, on the correct map and phase. Longbow chip damage also holds similar value to the War Bow damage. Longbow generates a lot more takedowns than the War Bow. While it doesn't have the same damage potential, Longbow stands maybe a half step below the War Bow.
We talking about chip damage…. 😂
@StridahsAngels Ayo, a takedown is a takedown. 😂
Which is the best for 1vx in TO ?
Exe, messer, gs
Depends on your playstyle, but longer ranged weapons who have a faster charge up phase are better (Glaive for example, I'm not saying it's good, but it does fit the criteria)
Highland sword is peak
Yet another set of stinky takes from stinkah's angels, as expected. Any chiv player worth their salt knows the best weapon is the friends we made along the way.
I refuse to believe you made friends
@@StridahsAngels I couldnt believe it at first, either.
I haven't been playing against bad people its just my team who's bad lmao😂
You know what they say if you not against the bots, you one of the bots!
@@StridahsAngels i guess so because I can get kills just till you run into a clan who stick together and jump your ass
I still feel like poleaxe should’ve got s tear but it’s ok
Do bear in mind I am no filthy casual
messer is my best stuff, weird animation, insane dmg,can handle if you got gangbang. Love messer!
Glaive is trash??? I strongly disagree because it has probably the mist messed timings: extremely fast slash release, mid overhead release and long ahh stab release with a huge window to land a hit make this weapon hard to get used to when you go against it
You can disagree, but there is no competitive viability to the weapon. I am assuming you only have done quick play?
Drop a 1 handed tier list
Before months end
Long Sword S tier damage is lower though. War Axe is probably the best weapon in TO, Halberd A tier its far from goated. Heavy Mace in 1v1 is A tier and is top 2 for B tier in TO. I have a friend that is always top 5 with crossbow it's wild and bows are OP if you know what to do. Heavy Mace is A tier it shits on people but once the lobbies dwindle it's not as great in 1v1 scenarios imo 2 Handed Hammer is better in many scenarios. Dane Axe is the Messer of Axes in good hands its as good as any weapon out there. Two handed spear is goated but only in good hands.
Tier A longsword yeah yeah
All of A tier, aside from Longsword, needs to be moved to S. Take exe out of S.
Exe is best axe
Crossbow is highly effective on defense when NA East is stacked. My well placed banners and kill shots usually land me very high up on the scoreboard while my team gets mauled by the attackers
But yes bow and warbow are hot garbage
Why does everyone butcher the pronunciation of goedendag so hard? I have American friends who can pronounce it no problem
No American exists who can say that word
@@StridahsAngels yes they do. My friend who’s American can pronounce it pretty well. I think it’s more that you don’t know how to pronounce instead of you being simply incapable of it (this regards to most Americans, I don’t mean to make it personal)
RIP its all you'll need because there will be no more updates :(
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Am I stupid, or did he miss the goedendag
I mentions. It, no icon
Ex ax 4 life 🗿
Facts
Goedendag was too strong for the list
why is my soy boy weapon not in S 🤨
I was going to include your strap on in the one hand list
Battle Axe is S+. Putting heavy mace above battle axe for TO is laughable. These are not accurate rankings
This might be the worst take on here. Heavy mace is one of the most meta and used weapons in comp chiv TO. Assuming you have never played anything but match making?
@@StridahsAngels Heavy Mace is hit stop. I top score in OCE most matches, don't play too much TO now because it's too easy. I prefer HM for duels, it's mid for TO.
@@BigRiffsRigsso you have only played pub TO, no clan vs clan or comp events, tournament grounds etc. but are arguing based on something you have no knowledge or experience in. I know the competitive meta from experience. Heavy mace is one of the most meta comp picks period. Battle axe is great but more niche in these lobbies. The comp experience is vastly different then killing shitters in pubs.
@@StridahsAngels I played comp TO and top scored or top 3 in almost every match. Played in tourneys, am in a clan etc.
25 gigachads and 5 archers are better than 30 gigachads.
I have not seen a duelist with 4,000 hours of play kill me when I put the 3rd bolt at him from 30 meters.
But I have seen that if you consistently choose strong duelists on the enemy team as a barrier, a victory notification appears.
You choose the strongest ones and shoot at them. It's simple. They move differently and choose directions carefully. Their logic is simple: kill trash. They avoid strong players on your team. Strong players on your team don't need help, they trample trash on the enemy.
The shooter's job is to reset 4,000 hours of enemy experience. Shooting in this game is a great equalizer. I don't need a big name to put 2-3 shells into you. You won't remember me because I won't be top 1. I'll be top 5 and my team will win.
Shooters are annoying because they are the great equalizers. Good shooters are few and far between and you're unlikely to remember them.
Never played comp have you?
Now that I have time this comment fails so hard. I clearly state the list is based more around clan battles, tournament grounds or more serious events. And by the comment I can tell you have never played in any of these events. If one team goes 5 archers it is a free win for the other team, going 1 archer is considered throwing. You may like archer but it has been proven over 3 years to be competitively not viable.
@@StridahsAngels You are right.
As for melee 2 handers weapons, I have exactly the same preferences as in this tier list. Maybe that's why I got confused. I really thought that this list was suitable for a regular game. I have the same thoughts 1 in 1.
Except that I take a glaive to the hammer, in case I get stuck on the vanguard, so that I can sweep it like a broom and leave the battle. But I'm not sure that it will work against even average good players. But she's funny.
I played in tournaments in the first part of Chivalry, in Modhau, and Pirates Knights and Vikings 2, a long time ago.
I wrote specifically about a quick game for 64 people without horses.
With horses, an archer is probably good simply because he has stakes, but the infantryman has them too.
The tier list was originally positioned taking into account the game against good players, as I understand it. In a quick game, when a tournament guy like you shows up, the best decision for me is to take a shooter, otherwise we lose.
Usually, a tournament player also gets a VIP. Can you imagine my face when I try to break through this guy, with all his buffs? It's easier to shoot him.
In tournaments, or clan servers, I don't really understand how the economy works. But judging by the limitation on spearmen and halberdiers, I can assume that they should be the target of shooters. Since they are in short supply.
I don't know the conditions of your serious games. Are there catapults, special abilities, and what happens there in general.
Don't care what anyone says people who know how to use the bow will help a team so hard since they can focus people dropping health which give the people hit 2 options push and die or retreat and heal either way you remove people from the fight attacking or defending.
Close minded, it is competitively not viable and been proven through the games 3 years.
i feel like if you just used a sword or whatever it would make a greater impact than shooting enemies. but then again u don’t care
@helpiamsuffering603 i only don't since it just depends on what's going on there's some parts where a bow would get you clapped but the parts where a bow will piss off the other team and hold them back or get them off the OBJ why not use all your tools instead of just having caveman brain and stick to one thing
@@whiteguyomg1601 because archers are typically useless. I don’t know if i’ve ever been held off by a bow from objective. like if an archer just kills me i’ll just run by him, one tap him and go back to objective.
Bow is so stupid easy tho so i get your point, ive gone like 30+ kills no deaths just backlining noobs
@StridahsAngels only closed minded because it depends how it's being used and the part of the map you are on its gonna be pretty useless in some areas but even you said there's a few out there who can put in work with a bow plus I was always told bows and cross bow was banned from comp so I never really cared for it
Archer hate is lame. It's a great support class, especially crossbowmen with their banner (literally nobody else but guardian has it), and even in melee with shortsword/axe/hatchet due to speed/low team kill potential/good damage (best to hit already preoccupied enemies than 1x1 obviously). There is nothing great about halberd/any other weapon noobs feeding counters/teamkilling/blocking your way/whatever bs either.
You have ever played a comp chiv event? Thought so….
Archers talking about team killing is like ambusher mains complaining about getting back stabbed
@@StridahsAngels I was talking about casual lobbies indeed. About competitive scene I can take your opinion over mine. Nonetheless, I am against "muh archers ruin the game they don't deserve to exist".
@@Ocoro_ I wasn't complaining. I've said archer has low tk potential in melee when he joins it, which is great for supporting.
@@Ctrekoz i clearly stated i am talking about more competitive environments, and archer is not viable in them.
I play archer most of the time.
I'm usually middle to top tiers score of my team with a positive K/D and in general 30 to 40 takedowns.
Am i considered a liability ?
Yes
Just ignore this stupid archer hate "meme". It's a great support class, especially crossbowmen with their banner (literally nobody else but guardian has it), and even in melee with shortsword/axe/hatchet due to speed/low team kill potential/good damage (best to hit already preoccupied enemies than 1x1 obviously). There is nothing great about halberd/any other weapon noobs feeding counters/teamkilling/blocking your way/whatever bs either.
@@Ctrekoz cheers bro !
Forgot to add I'm fairly new with 10hours of play time.
How dare you use bows in a medieval fight game?
Jk, I actually like playing archer from time to time. I guess it’s just high level players who get angry that they can’t stomp you like they stomp half the lobby and everyone else agrees with them because they’re high levels
Yes, again the list is based more from a competitive viability. You would go 3-25 in a real lobby.
Stridah from wish is definitely stealing calling the glaive death by a thousand paper cuts! Thank you for more things i can steal 🫡
Salami with his note book writing his tier list that is the same as mine 😂
you 2 should live stream a first to 10 duel. I would watch!