They should both work together make crossover and more gore and more army and battle royals mode people fine weapon bandage tonsurvived the ring will be fire the circle and then wagon you got of cutscenes then people go fight to last standing win
From what I've seen from the mordhau dev's I don't think they'd do well in a professional setting working with a different team at all. Chiv 2 should just take what inspiration it can from the other devs game without compromising on their more casual skill ceiling and the balance of their own game given the change of pace is what everyone seems to like.
Honestly for me, if Chiv 2 had the sheer customization of Mordhau, i would play it so much more. There's just something about playing as a knight that you customize almost perfectly in a medival slasher that i like.
Yep Chiv 2 need more customization and get rid of the bugs in this case and i would play like 100% more, just farmed a horned helmet and cant wear it with my armour.... WTF DEVS WTF
they just kept the simplity of chivalry 1 to 2 xD they wanted to keep at any point their basic changing armors etc but still theres coming new stuff and things and fixes etc tornbanner tries really hard , people like in chv1 are the same sometimes , they can be funny good accompanying etc but also as in every medieval game like it was in medieval , toxic pagans toxic heretics of sun and more xD but it makes game more good and you actually make bounds with it by meeting these players you are later like "ugh damn them next time when i will meet them i will show them" and also some players talks later about players they met so thats another way of punishing and making kinda lore? xDD or something still the fear of chivalry ffa servers is kono so you know and what i personally need is bringing old maps they were really aeasthetic or however you call it , they were climatic and these gladiators arena etc great times , but there is upcoming crossplay parties support and custom servers (so probably with mods i guess [time to learn UE xD] ) only one thing for now they really screwed up is that they didnt add helmets to epic version that are on steam version and i really would love to transfer my acc to steam (i would buy it again if its needed) cuz epic's launcher is very ram eating and lagging and slow loading basic things so yea
I'd really like a mix of both games. The team objective modes and maps are so much better in Chivalry 2 but I like the style and combat of Mordhau much better. I'd like to add that I'm absolutely not a pro but would consider me a mid-tier player. Like you said in your video mid-tier vs. mid-tier players is where the fun is in Mordhau.
Most players will end up mid tier, so I think catering to scrubs is a stupid idea. I'm a mid tier player and love Mordhau. Never even thought of trying to be "pro" if you could even argue such a tier exists for Mordhau with severely lacking prize money, sponsorships, and viewers.
Pre rework feitoria invasion was really good though, all it needed was less campy nobles and 1 more stage to make people explore the less played areas; I also enjoyed grad invasion a lot. I honestly do not think chivalry 2 team objective maps are that better... they are won and lost purely by KDA while in mordhau utility and support classes can do A LOT, chivalry 2 engineer class is a JOKE compared to mordhau toolbox, the medkit, warhorn and banner abilities are helpful but provide near zero decision making, you almost always use them when they are charged up, you do not support people in chiv 2 because you want to, you do it because you do not want to waste ability charge. Both games suffer from not encouraging people to enter less played areas though, first version of castello could have been glorious if devs just added something like dynamic objectives so people entered the unplayed areas instead of reworking it for god knows what reason and wasting developer time. And yeah, chiv 2 combat compared to mordhau is like comparing microdick to BBC.
@@UmamiPapi If you cater to low/casual players they will leave after ~100 hours because they will realize the game lacks depth to be worth sticking to.
In melee PvP games I very much enjoy more casual approach like in Dark Souls. In Chivalry 2 I like how I can fight a top-scorer as mid-tier and feel like we're having a duel even though it will most likely end in my death. That way I can also know exactly why I failed, where I can get better, but in many more competetive melee PvP games it feels like I'm losing to mechanics I need to learn but not in any logical way through gameplay. So Chivalry 2 will always end up feeling more interactive, and as long as balance is good it will mean skill will play a big factor.
Yeah, and then in mordhau top scorer is gonna be a naked clown with plague doctor mask who will instantly oneshot you with a maul while spamming laugh lmao. It's a great game but you really need a hundred hours in it to even feel like you have an impact as a player, the tutorial does pretty much nothing to teach you how to play.
@@vengefulraven4322 that is exactly what drove me away from Mordhau. In Chivalry 2 I at least stand somewhat of a chance against the best player in the match and don't have to see him have a stroke with every single swing, before my inevitable death where he keeps laughing his ass of with the same annoying voice ever. single. time.
It's allways good with competition between diffrent game studios making similar games, it moves the entire genre forward. Here's hoping for a Mordhau 2 and and even more ambitious updates to Chiv 2. Would love to see new weapons added to chiv like flails and old remastered maps from chiv 1, like citadel and stoneshill.
I sunk a couple hundred hours back when Chiv 1 first released and fell in love (including the Deadliest Warrior DLC!). It was a unique gaming experience that the part of me that's fascinated with the medieval era, knights and melee combat was thrilled to partake in. I ended up shelving the game in favor for competitive FPS games with skill based match making with my buddies. Fast forward a decade later, having a full time job and a family to take care of leaves me with a lot less gaming time, a lot more solo gaming, and an interest in a more casual PVP gaming experience. Coming back to the medieval slasher genre with Chivalry 2 is an incredible breath of fresh air with a tinge of nostalgia. The updated graphics, sound design, voice acting and immersion is outstanding, especially having missed out on Mordhau which I'm sure was an upgrade to Chiv 1 in at least graphics. I'm having a ton of fun and can see myself settling in for a long time. My advice for anyone choosing between giving your time to either of these games... just remember that they have finite life spans that don't carry onward into regular yearly releases, given the nature of the developers not being AAA studios. Enjoy making memories while the playerbase is active and thriving. 😊
As a Mordhau vet (casual player, more a 1vx waraxe/exec sword fiend than a duelist) this video was very high quality, very educational and not shallow or ignorant whatsoever. It has helped me decide to try out Chivalry 2 at some point for a better casual experience. However, I would have liked to see the class system of Chivalry 2 compared with the point buy loadouts of Mordhau as a part of which has better balancing or enjoyment.
I’ve sunk countless hours into Mordhau, but it’s really the immersion in Chiv 2 that makes me comeback to the game more often after playing both medieval slashers. Though Mordhau is typically seen as the more competitive of the two, I like how the skill ceiling is in every team obj map in Chiv 2. I love how it rewards the top players special roles via map(duke, heir, prisoner, etc), which encourages the entire team to do their best not only individually but promotes team play
I absolutely agree. Also I really do believe that the skill ceiling is high enough. I just had (probably my best one so far) a match yesterday (currently lvl 170) where my first death occurred after 25 kills and 38 assist/kills (don’t know the correct translation). I still see ppl being 200+ lvl with 30+ kills and less than 9 deaths regularly. So to be honest I like that they are not invincible, but they definitely do have a big impact. It would be weird if one soldier would be able to stand up to like 10.
Also, screaming "FOR THE ORDER!!" or "AGATHAAAAAAA!!!!" is really cool and immersive. The game really does its best to keep you feeling like you're a part of one extreme trying to exterminate another. Just experiencing the details of the maps shows you the character of each side. In one map, you can see an agathian soldier strung up in a water wheel, effectively torturing him to death by drowning, and there are hanged agathian soldiers on the bridge. In another map you can see a Masonic Knight crucified. It's a bit sad that there's no level in Chiv2 like the one in Chiv1 where you attacked all the King's potential heirs so Malric could take the throne. Throwing the nobles of Bridgetown into the river just isn't as deliciously evil.
I feel like if modding tools were released to the chivalry 2 community and you could use use client-side mods for visual customization it would win out handily.
The biggest issue I have with chiv 2's combat is game feel. From how swings feel to blocking, comparing the feel of chambers and counters. Mordhau just feels more polished, your camera follows your character. I agree that as a base chivalry 2 has combat better suited to what it wants to be, but the game feel is something I'll really miss from mordhau even though I don't play it as much anymore.
I feel much the same, the issue i have with chiv 2 duelling is the counter feint, why have a feint if opponents can fall for the feint and immediately morph to counter? Duels just become endurance battles which feel kinda dull IMO.
@@Max-gh6px It's super easy to counter so having counter feints adds another layer to combat where you have to match the initial attack and the feint attack in order to stay in the fight. If you fail to read an attack and use the feint to get a second chance, your opponent also gets a feint to punish you. It's that or they make kicks/jabs harder to read or go back to timed block, both of which would hurt casual play too much for a game focused around casual play.
I think you are wrong about defence in chivalry 2. The kick is the foil to that argument. The threat of a fast kick negates the ability to block everything and forces counters, which makes accels/drags/feints viable.
With the latest Mordhau update being as anticlimactic as it was as well as all the false promises they didn't fulfill I prefer Chiv 2. I also just enjoy a more casual focused game where I can play with my boyfriend or someone else who is new to the franchise without them feeling like they can't do anything. I will say that Mord has way waaay better roleplay potential though which personally is the part I enjoy most with it.
Honestly, Mordhau is much more about learning all of the bizarre mechanics and glitches (cucumber anyone?) than actually being a good fighter. In Chivarly 2, everything makes sense, weapon range, attack speed, damage, etc., but Mordhau does a ton of insane stuff to try and be different, which honestly just turns the game into a matter of how many hours you've put in to learn the crazy ideas of the developers.
As a Mordhau vet, I can confirm. You have to spend an insane amount of time learning all of the weird stuff in Mordhau, and at that point, it just isn't even a fighting game anymore. It's a matter of hitting certain buttons in a specific order.
I love both games but i like mordhau more because of the freedom you have in customization and how you want to play, chiv 2 feels so limited i feel like i have no freedom in what i look like and weapons Edit: i personally think they should make a game together just to see what would happen it might be a amazing game
Game modes from chiv 2 and everything else from mordhau. Now that I have played both of those games... chiv 2 hardly innovated anything, they made combat better from chiv 1 but it is still worse from mordhau.
I totaly agree with You,i mean graphical speaking,i think chivalry 2 has better graphic and better Maps but it feels more limitated….i mean You can’t even put down Your weapon,You are always stuck in a battle stance and it’s annoying ,You can’t roleplaying even if there are elements that can be used as chairs…i hope the devs will think about adding no combat stance/unfold weapon if you don’t want fight
Been playing Mordhau religiously ever since it launched. Loved it but the lack of content and updates kept me frustrated, specially the mod support. Recently tried Chivalry 2 when it launched on steam and after playing it non stop for ~2 weeks in a row, i promise i cannot go back to Mordhau anymore. Not only they killed Mordhau with the latest UI update, but it feels so lacking in content and objectives. Chivalry2 may be less of a skill-based game but has the polish and the content that will never get you bored. It's also very funny. I think it's time to press F for Mordhau... it will be missed but i think it served as the waiting room for chivalry 2.
I couldn't have said it any better. I used to love Mordhau as well and played it all the time, but the lack of updates and the Dev negligence towards fixing broken mechanics like waterfall, wessex, spinning, broken drags and accels just really made it easy for me to migrate to Chiv 2 where thanks to the high defense of the game, it is easier to not be destroyed by those attacks. Mordhau just isn't an enjoyable experience for newbies anymore because they'll just get destroyed around every corner. I'll deeply miss Mordhau, but the Devs killed the game when they could've made it flourish.
@@superamazinghotdogbatmand1688 I just got more hay yesterday and it’s hell lol. I only win when I am lucky. The world players do moves that somehow bypass my parry. When I attack they chamber and hit me. When I try to chamber they hit me before I can mirror. I don’t know how I’m supposed to learn when everything seems so intuitive.
I’d really like a game with the customization of Mordhau (imo one of the game’s strongest aspects), combat as fluid as Mordhau, a dev team as good as Chivalry 2’s, and maps/gamemodes as good as Chivalry 2.
@@gwynbleinn bizarrely complicated mechanics don't make a game better, the polar opposite actually. The greatest fighting games (and most played) of all time require no time to learn controls. That way, you're getting good at the game, rather than learning ridiculous shit like "cucumber" in Mordhau, lol.
@@jaysoniorg2950 but complicate mechanics makes game deeper and more varied. In mordhau you can end combat in one attack by deceiving the enemy, which is fully corresponds with the essence of duels. Also weapon have own physics and can collide with enemy weapon. All this help to create more interesting situations, not just exchanging of attacks and simple feints until you run out of stamina
If Chivalry 2 had Mordhau's customization and a little more on the PvE side of things, it'd be perfect for me. The beginner mode is super fun, but we could use more of that. A horde mode would be most welcome in a more casual game like chiv. But oh good LORD does the customization need a huge rework.
The hord mode in mordhau was inspired by the horde mode in the first chivalry (it was a zombie mode). So it's possible they'd bring it back at some point in chivalry 2
To say chivalry has changed my interests in hobbies and in turn my life would be an understatement. Chiv 1 was my baby for a long while and I eventually grew to hate it, giving it a bad review on steam, playing the game often to complain about what the community became. The devs eventually knew me and knew I stopped playing all that much in turn for complaining about the various broken aspects. I really dissed torn banner for a long time, but with the release of chivalry 2 they quite literally addressed absolutely everything I complained about. I stayed with the game until the very end, where I would get on and only find about 60 people playing worldwide, the ONLY people left were the spinning cheesers who were the last ones left in the game because of what they did to it, it was pretty bad. A couple weeks before the release of chiv 2 I got onto chiv 1 again and I got into a full lobby, modded map and it was just like old times, it was amazing and reminded me of what chivalry used to mean to me. In the Chivalry games I collectively have like 2000 hours, and Mordhau only 60, I played Mordhau for merely moments compared to most others and its because it actually brought back almost everything I complained about in chiv 1, the high damage weapons that you can simply accel to kill instantly, the spinning had made a comeback, repetitive/annoying high level combat, toxic community that would kick you for speaking of anything about their cheesing of the game, and much more. I had taken a different approach to combat in chiv 1, I used to be mobile and didn't rely on parry mechanics, dodging with crouch and using my character movement to force a miss, something that was heavily required when your parry hitboxes were the most broken thing about the game. Mordhau completely banned my playstyle, there was no way I could use what I knew about chiv 1 to play Mordhau and I dropped it. Chivalry 2 had released and I was geeking the hell out, they had made my playstyle the main focus of the game. they had fixed everything I complained about and they CONTINUE to fix everything I complain about, its actually the Chivalry game I wanted so many years ago. The toxic community stayed with Mordhau and I grew to love chivalry again. Save for a couple complaints that are microscopic compared to what used to exist, this game is perfect to me and I will continue to play it as long as I did TBs previous installment. As time goes on TB continues to fix issues that people complain about, and no matter how angry I may get in a match I still cant look at TB the same way I used to, theyve really stepped it up and now I desperately want horde mode from chiv 1 back and the Deadliest Warrior DLC back. Chivalry: DW was better than base chiv and I played that until there were only 4 players left, infact I feel the night we all logged off was the official night the game had lost ALL players. I now own a suit of armor based on the Mason order (and italian artwork) and I plan on sport fighting in it, in the name of The ORDER.
@@h8latinosbutblkrcool Because some people are passionate about things that you aren't passionate about. Nobody forced you to read that comment and here you are bitching about it, grow up.
@@h8latinosbutblkrcoolImagine not being able to read an essay 😂😂 Typical product of the American school system, seriously dawg; you go onto a video essay, open the comments, and then complain when people are having lengthy discussions 😂😂 Ah who am I kidding, you can't even read what I'm saying 😂😂
I gotta comment on the mordhau community, my experience is much different. You can hop on a duel server past midnight and meet some of the most chill people I have ever seen in video games, the ammount of help and tips i got there was immense.
As a chivalry vet alot if us Chivalry player went to mordhau but it just wasn't the same even though it was made by chivalry vets it felt like they made their ideal chivalry with more focus on super intricate combat and less focus on the actually making the game fun(not including mods). Complex melee is great don't get me wrong but chivalry and chivalry 2 already have a higher level of combat then most other online games. Plus I have always love the Aussie chivalry community well the vets anyway. And finally I don't know any chivalry vets I used to play with who actually stuck with mordhau. Most of them are playing chivalry 2 to this day and I don't have any plans on stopping. Mordhau has its own community which is pretty cool now but it all about the mods and chivalry players like me couldn't care less about mods.
I've put over 1000 hours into Chiv and Mordhau. The combat and customization of Morhau is so superior, the way you handle the weapons feels very satisfying and technical. However the team based modes and maps in Chivalry are better in my opinion. I would choose Mordhau overall for the combat because I just can't go back from it.
After watching countless comparison videos, most went with Mordhau. I'm about 50 hours into mordhau, level 29. I'm finding it pretty difficult, the high level players really take the fun out of the game. I'm a sucker for faints, ill always fall for them. I find I always get one shot, then when I do the same move to someone else I'll die lol. The only way I've been able to level up is helping a group kill one guy, as soon as it comes to 1v1 (unless their the same skill level as me) I'll get dropped. And i really hate the fact I cant hold my ground. How can you play Mordhau if you cant even defend yourself. It would be fine if people played somewhat normally, but most people i come across are running and jumping and just swinging an axe or hammer around decapitating everyone around them. I've joined noob friendly 1v1 servers but everyone in these servers are definitely not noobs
@HelloHelloe Damn 5 months, forgot all about this lol. I've been playing and training for months now. Level 82, 267 hours on steam. I got a lot better. I'm now familiar with the game mechanics. When your brand new it will definitely take some time to understand. I'm now the one who feints other people, most fall for.. the good players dont. I can hold my own fairly well. But some players are just a different level of skilled. I stopped trying to play to win and just played for the enjoyment, and that alone made things better for me. I also made sure to experiment with most weapons and I'm definitely a pole arm user aha. Halberd and pole axe are my go to. When you in a sense 'get good' Mordhau is alot more fun
@@manager6711 How long did you take to 'get good'? I really want to like mordhau, but I'm a casual gamer. If I put more than fifty hours into a game, thats a rarity and means I adore it. It just sounds like I'd need to spend an ungodly amount of time to even become half-decent.
I feel like both games have enough pros and cons to justify getting in to either of them, a very honest and fair video. Also as SOON as you mentioned Dev Support as a category iw as like "Yeah this is going to Chiv 2 no question"
yeah also to add to Chiv2's gameplay, the counters are an amazing addition. Cooldown hits always feel cheap. Watching yourself have to take a hit because you're on cooldown sucks and never feels good. It just feels great to tap that R key when someone comes in with a maul feinting their hearts out like it's mordhau 2019.
Also people say the customization is better in mordhau which it seems like it is since it has way more options to choose from, but people also say it’s the more realistic and historically accurate game. I have seen naked guys with a plague doctor mask on spin around 360°. I like the customization in Chivalry since although it isn’t really that in depth, it does feel like your knight is playing in your specific faction. Helmets and armor pieces aren’t too far off and it makes you look like you belong in that era which I prefer.
@@KingLouie111 Can confirm lol. I've been maining a santa cosplay with quarterstaff for the last 2100 hours of playtime or so. x'D Always gives me a chuckle. There's nothing quite like watching a fully armored opponent get sticked down.
As an ex-Mordhau player I gotta say Mordhau combat is amazing. The feeling of getting good at the game is so rewarding especially when you learn how to chamber. Coming from Mordhau to Chivalry is like going hardcore to casual. Mordhau helped me learn these kinds of games and now I regularly top frag in Chivary 2. Chivalry 2 has the upper hand in its set pieces and the battlegrounds are so immersive. Also the developer support from Chivalrys developer is great. I always take a break and come back whenever they get an update. Its nice that lobbys are still full thanks to crossplay too.
@@patrikarnic lol! Mordhau has insanely slow weapon swings. To the point that you have to just sit there for seconds before even trying to parry, and the character movement is half as fast as Chivalry 2.
@@patrikarnic nah blocks can easily be broken with kicks so you cant just hold block against competent players. Most 1v1 fights in chivalry ends in around 15 seconds whereas in Mordhau duels can last well over 30 seconds if both players are at a similar skill lvl. I think the reason you find C2's combat slower is because Mordhau's combat involves more camera movements which makes it look more fluid and smoother than C2's.
One thing tho. Chivalry 2 has jabs and kicks. These 2 on their own do actually add way more depth to the combat 'cause you can interrupt someone's attack with a jab and break someone's defense with a kick (if they hold it down) You DO actually have to build up a lot of skill in Chivalry 2, just not as much as Mordhau (that looks like a bunch of knights with scoliosis and hyperactivity dancing while drunk. Not like that is bad tho)
Looking at the footage of the competitive parts, Chivalry 2’s combat appears way more coherent and less tryhard than high-level Mordhau. That alone makes me prefer Chivalry more.
Personally I prefer Chivalry 2 a lot more than Mordhau. I don't have the free time as I used to, so it is already hard enough learning advanced and complex combat mechanics. While I would have liked it due to the better skill expression and competitive feel if I was younger and had more time again, it is not something I keep up. Especially when I am playing different games too.
Thank you for this video, it was very helpful! I'm currently downloading Chiv 2 after getting fed up with Mordhau's combat and tiny playerbase. I've been following Mordhau since it was announced and playing it on and off since the open beta tests, but the skill differences between a more casual player like myself and the vast majority of the players I end up meeting (OCE based so my player pool is even smaller than most) makes games incredibly unfun. That paired with an almost absurd level of toxicity in the community has definitely soured me to the game. Knowing Chiv 2 is much more accessible and immersive is very good, and based on this vid I think I'll enjoy my time with it a lot more.
I've now played over a 100 hours in both of games. Mordhau, as for my perspective, feels smoother, because animations are more distinguishable and can be cancelled, and 1v1 as for me, feels better, because you and your opponent have enough room for outplay or mistake. Also, the customization is really nice and not buggy, as it is in chivalry. In chivalry, 1vX or mass fights feel better, because there are many moves like dodge, crouch(which is easier than mordhau crouch dodge), kick to disposition opponent and simply block or repost all incoming strikes. Also teamfights for me feels like i really play with my team, interrupting enemy strikes and kicking enemy off my bois, to prevent them from dying, and other sorts of wacky stuff. Although, new chivalry duels seems like a total mess for me. Some strikes don't hit, your block is often countered by simpliest face attacks, and other shenanigans tend to happen. But that's technical stuff, my main problem is that you can't really outskill your opponent due to how game works. The main reason is movement and animations, cause in XvX fights they feel fine and good, but in 1v1 with constant moving, they start to feel veeery cluncky. It's like a mix of superfast animations like dodge, crouch or R-strikes, and slow, very slimy swings and blocks. It's just feel like really strange fight. Also, the game balance is really broken and some weapons(Hammers, for my point) are clearly superior. The whole stamina system feels fine, but for me it's still not what i used to. Well, I think that Chiv2 is a fun game, but in a long-time it will be forgotten by most of the people who gained interest in it because "haha funny anime swords go chew chew knights" or other dumb stuff. I think for mordhau, it will still be a niche game for sweatlords and freaks, but it'll still be alive for long long time. Man, I just want my chiv1 back... It was dumb ans silly, but when you started to master combat system, it looked dumb and unrealistic, but really feeled like you accomplished something greater and can compete with other people. And the community was so good... I wish we just have less toxic people in all of games like these, and I wish i will hear dumb jokes from monthy python and not racial slurs or mum-insults in chat.
As a new Mordhau players that never played Chivalry 2 I must agree that Mordhau AIN'T beginners friendly, you just get matched with level 200 and must practice until you can get a kill, it can take days... The only thing I like is the "realism" until some tryhard starts to make some weird moves and one-tap you. Other than that, the game is amazing, I can play it for days and still love it, sometimes it may get tiring tho.
I completely agree with your conclusion. Chiv 2 is a good thing, even if a Mordhau elitist like me thinks it's too casual. Chiv 2 helps bring in new players and introduce them to the genre.
dude, thank you so much for making this! i kept hearing about chivalry 2, not even looking up gameplay because i thought that it definitely wouldnt be as good as mordhau, but i was completely wrong. i might actually have to look into buying it some day
Another important point is the community that plays the games. Mordhau has some of most unpleasant try hard idiots that I have had the misfortune to be in a server with. People in dueling servers are usually pretty cool. But in my experience public matches can often be a cesspool. With many players displaying a massively inflated ego, despite the fact they always use the strongest perk and weapon loadouts as a crutch (full level 3 armor with pre-nerf bloodlust, and just picking up a powerful high point cost weapon.) and stacking whatever team has the advantage. Doing everything in their power to make the game as easy as possible. Despite constant bleating about their high skill level.
As someone who plays Chiv 2,It is worth every penny,plus you can go berserk in first person which amps up realism and brutality, and that includes the weapons. Yes,they take time to swing, but that's realistic, so Chiv 2 for me is a winner
So I have amassed almost 100 hours in Chivalry 2. I am by no means a professional PvP Medieval gamer, but I know that this is my scene with over an easy 1,000 hours in Mordhau. Blyxus here, and in Mordhau I think people actually like playing in this world more vs. Chiv 2. The Yin & Yang is real in this situation, but maybe people in the comments can help me decipher: In chivalry 2: RDM FFA server top playersr 35/8 per say Mordhau RDM FFA: Probably close to that if not 30/2 I can't play either or at the same time since my CPU is limited; so I have to delete either or in order to play the other. This gives me an unbiased experience for the most part. After 1k hours on Mordhau, I am by all no means to discontinue my experience with Chiv 2 after almost 2 years of ridiculing it. I'm comfortable with the "equality" in competition, yet I do miss the comedic community and crazily body and building destructions with Mordhau.
I got 2k hours in Mordhau, 1999h of those in duel servers. I love the atmosphere and Combat flow of Mordhau which occurs rarely in chiv, Also duel servers at chiv launch was a absolute mess with FFA etc. Chiv 2 TO is so much fun, cant even force myself to play TO in Mordhau, but when i played Chiv i looked forward to playing another game. Most likely migrating to chiv duels soon if its not fucked still! Also most annoying thing in Mordhau is the stereotypical lvl 80-90 sweats in all black with a vocabulary consisting of ”Bot” and ”fear” when u ignore them after they randomly FFA you, Good ol Mordhau
I can definitely confirm that chivalry 2 is more beginner friendly. Came here when i saw mordhau for free on epic. Lol got chivalry 2 about 3 months back had been thinking of mordhau Clocked in about 45hrs in chivalry and I love it at times it's hard. But when I play it safe and block more then make sure I choose my moments to strike it usually works in my favor. Most people want to kill you as quick as possible and they end up wasting stamina when you dodge and block. Giving you the chance to punish them for it.
After playing almost 700 hours of Mordhau, playing Chiv 2 feels like moving through molasses. Every step, every swing, every parry, feels like it's hard for the character to do, almost paining them to pull off. Mordhau makes you feel like a badass knight kicking ass and taking names, whereas Chiv 2 makes you feel like a nameless, faceless soldier. Torn Banner may be a better dev team, with more experience and resources, but Triternion caught lightning in a bottle, they just didn't know what to do with it.
Chiv 2 lets you be more active and reactive with fast-paced action that actually has weight behind it, compared to Mordhau all you need to do is be passive and focus on parries, exploits, and chambering. That's why it feels sluggish to you because you're way too passive and you don't know how to play the game.
@@The-Black-Death Chiv 2 when released has much more bugs compared to mordhau release. The problem is not only in combat mechanics. Stupid restrictions on the map, “customization” when you do not have actual choice, lagged animations, weird hitboxes, wired throwable ballistics, long preludes before each map. All these problems make you feel like in pre alpha game. Combat mechanics just make it worse imho.
@@The-Black-Death Not true at all. Chambers are not to be focused on in Mordhau, they are very situational. This point alone tells me you don't really understand Mordhau. Chiv 2 combat is NOT fast paced compared to Mordhau, it's simply not the case. Swings in Mordhau are faster for many weapons (just look at the battle axe), and you need a much faster reaction speed to be consistently effective. The key to success in Mordhau is NOT to be passive, that's a death sentence. If the archers don't pick you off, the level 200 with a longsword will. Not moving is not living. Parrying is skill based in Mordhau. You cannot hold your block (duh) so you have to know when the enemy's weapon will hit. Passive? Far from it. You have to be ACTIVELY observing and calculating the distance and placement of the enemy's weapon compared to your own. Thinking the way you do will get you killed almost every time. I bet you are extremely susceptible to feints. Exploits. Ah, yes, this weak point again. There are weapons that are really good at certain specific things. I will agree that some weapons are TOO good at these things, and can be the sole tactic used by those who wield them. Spear? Alt mode stab only. Scimitar? Spam attacks. Longsword? Drag stab. Battle axe? Accel spam. Arming sword? Feint spam. Playing to a weapon's strength is not an exploit, it is playing to a weapon's strength. If you're talking about the crazy spin stuff, that only works on low levels and shitty players. It's really easy to read for most weapons. You can only spin before committing to the attack, and once the swing starts moving forward, you can no longer spin like that, making it very easy to see the right moment to parry. It sounds like you don't understand the core mechanics of Mordhau, and that will likely explain why you defend Chiv 2 in such a clumsy way. I'm not saying that Chiv 2 is inherently worse. I will always prefer Mordhau's combat, it is god damned wonderful, and it was designed with high level players in mind who are willing to spend upwards of a thousand or more hours mastering it. Chiv 2 is made for casual players to pick up within a few dozen hours max. They made it slow so that more people could be more successful without having to commit a huge amount of time. Combat in Chiv 2 is okay at best. You have mix-ups, you have kicks, you have jabs (a nice addition to the formula in my opinion), you have swing cancel, and you have held block. It's not bad. My personal problem with it is the swing manipulation being so restrictive. It makes it feel incredibly slow and clunky, and it is one of the biggest reason why Mordhau has superior combat. Chiv 2 is not more active. It is not more reactive. It is not fast-paced. It does have weight behind the combat. Compared to Mordhau you are FAR more passive. Chiv 2 focuses much more on blocking and chambering (called counter in Chiv 2). Chiv 2 IS sluggish and passive because it's specifically made to be so. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not here to call names, but you are wrong and misinformed.
chiv 2 is in the substantially better position: a lot easier to catch up with content and customization than be behind on graphical map feel, foundational combat mechanics, and developmental teams. played both, chiv 2 has a larger player base and is currently more fun to hop on and go ham for a little bit.
While i consider myself a casual player, i am still preferring Mordhau over Chiv 2. I tried both games, i spent a lot more time in Mordhau, yet i can't call myself anything higher than "experienced" in it's combat system, and to be honest, Mordhau's combat just feels more real, more weighty and impactful. Partially thanks to great animations that are not only looking very good when you fight a normal player but also almost don't break when you are fighting animation abuser. But not only thanks to animations. Biggest difference between Mordhau and Chivalry 2 combat systems are their way of giving player ability to fight for their lives. In Mordhau you only have 7 tools to work with: hit, kick, block riposte, feint, morph, chamber. And with this fairly limited number of actions you can perform, you must invent the way to break your opponent's defenses and make him panic, like you are lockpicking the big and sturdy barn lock, you don't need to memorise hundreds of moves and tricks, you just need to understand them and use them in conjunction to make a play style that is more than a sum of it's parts. Chivalry 2, on the other hand, gives much more tools and tricks to players, most of which are counterable by simply holding block. In Chiv you must drain your ebemy's stamina and only then kill him, while he is disarmed (given, if course, that opponent don't miss your attacks and that you don't miss his counterattacks too). You have yo memorise a lot more actions, some of which I don't even remember now, and you can't use one action in more than one or maybe 2 situation: jab is to deny hits, kick is to deny blocks, counterattacks are just like cambers, morphs and feints are much less necessary now and so on. This is what makes me prefer Mordhau, the fact that in Mordhau you have to actually learn how to fight with all your weapon can give to you, not how to use each and individual mechanic on its own. Sure, Chiv has some interesting weapons, but overall, i never felt the feeling of true victory when i poked away someone's weapon and then kill him while he is unarmed, because this is the expected way of killing enemy in Chiv (not to mention that killing an unarmed opponent is not really something to brag about). On Mordhau killing an enemy, especially if he is stronger than you, is actually your own victory, it wasn't right predetermined use of some tricks, it was improvisation with limited actions put in right combination, each fight in Mordhau feel slightly different from eachother because of that, and also feel much harder than Chiv's ones, and because of that you get much more satisfaction from winning a fight in Mordhau. At least that's how i am feeling it, and that's why i prefer Mordhau. I deliberately don't learn how to do drags and accels, not only because i consider it equal to cheating or bug abusing, but als because if i can defeat animation abuser with only fair chambers and feints, then i actually can call myself a winner. Some can call it Stockholm syndrome, i call it adrenaline rush and "bigger risk - bigger reward" philosophy.
I normally just play this kind of games with my friends. So in Mordhau we can use a dedicated server and play just by ourselves. In Chivalry II this is sadly not possible anymore and even if you find an empty server, bots will spawn. I tried Chivalry II in the beginning but to me its just chaotic and hectic.
And Chiv 2's combat mechanics. Perfect parries, kicks, bashes and ripostes are much more enjoyable than spazzing out like someone with Parkinson's to land an attack.
So uh mordhau lore is that we are mercaneries clans hired by nobles/free towns to attack/defend nobles/free towns. This also canonicly explains why we get paid on the end of an round
One dimension which is often ignored, especially when it comes to maps and character customization is artistic quality. Chivalry 2 is just better in that regard. I am not talking about the graphical quality as the technology and game engine will play heavily into that. As a professional artist, the aesthetic quality, proportions and life-likeness of the art and animations in Chiv are just better. It is the difference between the stiff pencil sketch of an amateur artist and the flowing proportional lines of a professional. Mordhau to me looks like a bunch of armored robots moving in unnatural and wiggly ways, whereas Chivalry has much more believable and lifelike illustrations and animations. This extends to the lighting and textures of the environments as well. Of course this is subjective to a degree, and there is a stylized quality to the art vs just trying to be as realistic as possible, but ultimately there is a huge gulf to my eyes in terms of artistic polish. This will manifest itself more over time as more character customization and new environments are added to Chiv 2.
although the chiv animations look more fluid, i would argue that it doesnt play as fluid. I think the more "aesthetic" animations are locking you in more. the almost absurd movements in mordhau though they may look "stiff" plays more fluidly. I think a big part is the waist bending following your mouse as well as some differences in the crouch mechanics, coupled with more options while moving like climbing.
I tried both and I think Chiv 2 is better suited for gamers like me how just want to take it easy, get into a chaotic war, swinging my weapon around and get random kills. There is still room for actual skill and technique to shine through but it always almost boils down to 'outsmarting' your opponent rather than having better technical skills / reflexes. Mordhau on the other hand, I think is better suited for the ones who are willing to invest a considerable amount of time on a more complex melee system. Duels are a lot flashier and you get more rewarded by your technical skills. I just think that at this point, the game has become very unfriendly to newcomers because jesus, there are a LOT of very good Mordhau players now and very few beginners to have an equal match with.
An honest and balanced look at each game from someone who has a lot of experience. Great work, I love it! My take: Mordhau team made the exact same mistake that Torn Banner did with Chivalry 1 that made the majority of the player base jump ship to Mordhau in the first place. Content updates were too far between. At least when I stopped playing which was almost exactly 2 years ago. I wasn't really interested in dueling all that much in either game, I wanted team objective maps. I feel like TB has learned their lesson this time and their exclusivity with Epic was like them getting payed to polish the game for steam release, where a lot of players would be getting in anyways. They seem determined get grip on the medieval combat slasher genre and keep it by pushing out more content regularly. Which is great for us, the consumers. I honestly think we'll be hard pressed to see a game that can satisfy both the casuals and the high tier competitive players since it would be extremely hard to balance, but we can always hope! A great example of this is the Overwatch competitive scene as some classes that dominated the causal scene were hardly used in comp for being "underpowered". (this is drawing from my notoriously bad memory, so I could be wrong) For a casual like me with a lowly (approximate) 1300 hours in all three games, Chivalry 2 is great. I really do miss dressing up like a peasant and dual wielding frying pans in Mordhau though. That has to be the most satisfying weapon in any of medieval combat slasher game I've played to date.
Imo why wouldn’t you choose the harder combat system to learn. It’s just like learning a real skill, takes time and practice. Your hand isn’t held whatsoever. When you finally get the hang of it the satisfaction is amazing. Mordhau > chiv anyday imo
I would love to see a Mordhau 2 that is a bit better made and much better supported. The combat in Mordhau is so good. The DLC trend in Mordhau is worrying though. If they grub like this I am not buying any DLC.
I agree with just about everything you said. I have a bit over 500 hours in Mordhau and was really into it. Got really good and it felt great to be able to take out 4 or 5 guys newer players just via skill lvl. But currently I play Chiv and even though I can run into a pro that I have no chance beating alone, when there are 2 of us noobs there is a pretty good chance that the pro will lose because they can't hold stamina. I like that, I like that fights are designed to be short. My dram game is to have an RPG like Gloria Victis but with the combat of Chiv2. And user friendly like Civ2. Gloria is so convoluted and the combat is pretty lame. One day they will merge and I will be happy.
idk, the frantic spinning is BS especially in a game where you have to time your parries almost perfectly watching a dude clip his arms inside of his body only to magically hit you is trash IMO. I still play mordhau tho, never played chiv 2.
Imo. Chivalry 2 has *WAY* more immersive atmosphere and more raw looking maps and enviroment which really makes you feel like you're going into a brutal bloody battle. Where as Mordhau is almost too sunny and happy feeling. However Mordhau is much smoother, feels more responsive, offers way more customization options. But it also has more gigasweats.
I have about 200 hours in mordhau, which is a ton for me. I switched to chivalry 2 because chivalry 2 is actually getting updates with content. If mordhau had the same level of support, I'd probably go back to it. I loved the way fights felt, the games visuals, humor, customization, perks. Its just that after a while there just wasnt anything new being added for very long stretches of time.
Soaked hundreds of hours into Mordhau at the time before the eastern invasion was announced. The game was frustrating at first, yes, but the combination of learning the skill curve and becoming visibly better with each month was extremely satisfying. I felt like I was progressing in a very organic way, either by getting Jedi training in duel servers or by seeing the multitudes of move guides available on youtube. Going from having to 4v1 a pubstar just to reach the map objective, to honorably dueling them on equal footing in some distant server in the future past, was the psychological equivalent of finally getting past a difficult Fromsoft boss - threefold. From an outside perspective, this also meant that if you got invested, you also got indirectly exposed to the community wherever you went. whether that's a good or bad thing would depend on every person's individual experiences, but you'll obviously get a mix of both. To me, it wasn't a matter of toxicity. The game being what it was made it the great equalizer - if you have an ax (or maul) to grind with another player, you can outplay them, or cope. If you couldn't understand why some players would be willing to dedicate dozens of hours into learning a single skill on duels, you left. Or played RP servers. Or bought the next 60 dollar game with under 40 hours of content and moved on. Then, upon inspecting community chatter and patch releases, what seemed to look like incompetent dev pandering had creeped its way in. Balance changes intended to give those sub-level-20's a chance on pubs. A lack of focus on whether they want to cater to skill farmers or casual players. The reward of you grinding out those hours slightly dissipated under the rug, and each incoming patch seemed somewhat underwhelming at best, never actually changing the GS meta or inherent map issues in any meaningful way. They indirectly discouraged "non-pro/mid" players from following the game, for what appeared to be the hope that they could cash in on the newer players, instead of monetising the already fervent player base through extra content (until they did.) With rumours like "A certain dev" testing balance changes on bots...or getting frustrated with their own player base, well... Chiv 2 on the other hand, at least doesn't hide what it wants to be. It was never built for high skill ceilings, in an already niche game genre. From the few hours I've put into it now, I can say that it's at least just as polished as Mordhau, given its relative age, with a dev group that isn't planning to kick the proverbial bucket anytime soon. The microtransactions kind of feel like a cheap shot for those who thought grinding out a coveted golden skin was an achievement in Mordhau, but at least it's cosmetic only. Some big mechanical differences such as being able to automatically block 1vX attacks also makes the game less chaotic, both for newer players and those with previous experience in the genre. There are things that will obviously need working out, as I'm sure the injection of a whole new player base with steam must have brought a lot of nitpicks to light, but it's a very solid game nevertheless. On the other hand - given that the skill ceiling is so different, I can feel that a little bit of the Mordhau magic was lost somewhere along the way. Since there aren't as many differences between skilled/unskilled players, there isn't as much of an incentive to focus on the mechanics. Fighting different players can feel "samey" if not for the occasional reminder that Q abilities exist. In a place where every player needs to feel equal by design, nothing really stands out. You can't flex by picking intentionally bad builds, or create even half as many player-made chaotic interactions, which aren't merely caused by a map's objective changing. Archers now feel like a non-issue, compared to the ones that would actively distract and kill you during intense Feitoria mid duels. Horse farmers aren't even present on most maps, bards don't cheer your team on, and you're left with something akin to those medieval MMA sports matches, where each team runs into one another until one falls off. All of these things made Mordhau feel "dirty", sure, but it also allowed it to make diamonds out of coal. You either adapted to the pressure, or got lost in the mist of dismissive steam reviews. In Chiv 2, you're already lost on startup - in a sea of replaceable, similar looking players who's voice commands you can barely hear by default, probably so that console players don't break their television speakers. I crave something more, but until some other dev group takes the ideas that sparked mordhau into existence and takes them seriously, Chiv 2 will probably be the closest to a medieval peasant LARPing simulation that we can get. Hope the updates keep coming.
I like both of them. Not sure which I like more - it is more of what kind of mood I am in and what I feel like playing at the moment that determines which game I play and when.
"Someday we might have a competitive melee slasher suited to both casual and competitive audiences" Wait a few years and you'll see something marvelous 😉😉
Hah! I actualy am Lord Brenius, the guy with the pistol around 1:50. Me and my boys were doing some basic training for our RP faction on Arvi's Duels, the server it was recorded on.
Even though Mordhua`s combat is harder to learn and becomes stale at top level, I still think it deserved the point instead of chivalry 2. Mordhua combat is dynamic and gives you more options in certain situations while Chiv 2 is just very basic which will make you get bored faster so I think combat should have gone for Mordhua.
@@pardolagames8994 Well I guess its preference then. I played chiv 2 a couple times and I got bored quickly however I play Mordhau since alpha release.
@@pardolagames8994 3500 hours in, and I still feel entertained. I think like the other guy said it's more personal preference than anything. ;) Even as a casual player, chivalry's design philosophy is a bit too casual for me. The problem for me is that while there is still a skill gap it tries to put everyone on somewhat even footing. While mordhau deliberately does the opposite. I prefer a lower skill floor, a high skill ceiling, and a large bag of moves/skills/equipment you are allowed to mix and match as you wish. But I don't know, I've been maining a santa cosplay with a quarterstaff for the last 2100 hours, so maybe there's just something wrong with me lol. All I know is mordhau scratches a very particular itch for me. Especially when ppl get salty that they got beat up with a piece of driftwood. Once just a joke account/character that has since gotten out of hand lol. And yes I am named the same on mordhau. Same pfp same everything. x'D
as someone who plays mordhau duels competitively and has 250 hours, the only attack that i hate is the carpet drag, the player thinner is the nickname, other than that fighting people in duels when they are a higher level and skill set than me is more fun
Although Chiv is technically superior, Mordhau's insane customization, hilarious voice lines/bugs and memes, uniquely hard combat, and tight-knit community make it far superior IMO. The fact that there's bots in PvP modes, and a hold parry always kept me away from Chiv, seems too vanilla.
I think the major thing with Developer Support for Mordhau is that they could release maps, armor, and more skins over the time. I'm confident they are going to abandon the game after one more update and a hotfix for that update.
Reading some comments i'd say it would be nice to be able to switch in some way, maybe depending on the server, between both combat gameplays in one unique game, because i love the mechanics of mordhau but i am thinking on buying chiv 2 for when i want to, idk watch a vid or something while i play.
Combat also has a lot of different aspects to itself. Something like animations, flow, gameplay and mechanics. Gameplay and mechanics go to Chivalry 2. But flow and animations go to Mordhau. I wish more polished animations and a more exciting flow in the combat of Chivalry, but all in all, as it is, Chivalry's combat is better since you can actually fight without guessing a parry. 😄
I disagree on one part, I really enjoy the duels of chiv 2. I feel the combat has a great deal of depth that is beneath the surface. It needs some improving but I can see it going very far
@@saberhap2639 its about quality not quanity, having 3 that do diffrent things is better than 100 that do the same but slightly diffrent. never played mordehau so i cant say about its combat, but in chiv 2 i can say i dont think there is anything in combat that feels not usefull or too situational. every move has its role. even throwing your weapon is something you'll do constantly
Because 1. Mordhau is extremely difficult to get into which is a huge barrier to entry (and why few people play it anymore) while not really having a higher skill ceiling. 2. Mordhau high level duels are just super janky which isn't really fun. Getting good at Mordhau consists entirely of learning increasingly ridiculous animation glitches that break the games mechanics completely. High level Chiv combat consists of learning to predict your enemy and reacting accordingly (as it should). @@saberhap2639
I hope Chiv2 adds a lot more content in the near future. It's fun to play, but the main customisation options are in weapons, and I frankly want more armour options, in general, and more armour that gives me a reason not to wear a helmet, like the ones that have coifs.
I feel like the combat mechanics are much better in chiv 2 but the smoothness and execution is done better in mordhau. Worse mechanics but done in a better feeling way
i agree with all your points except the first one , mainly being because the games are being reviewed for their hack and slash medieval content not so much mods like star wars. If that were the case then you’re better off buying a star wars game. Nonetheless great video and thanks for posting :D
Mordhaus combat may be more complex, but high level mordhau looks ridiculous Chiv 2 actually looks like people fighting each other instead of knights having a fucking seizure
The animations in mordhau are so much better. I'm shocked by how bad chivalry 2 looks honestly. Every animation is so clunky and unnatural. The way characters slide around like they are on ice. The way the sword manipulation looks so robotic. The way the hits are much less satisfying and there's even a delay when the hit lands. It's night and day
Chivalry combat feels really sluggish, I am not sure if it is the game itself (desync or something else) or even my PC, but Mordhau is a lot more reactive to my inputs, which is why I enjoy it more.
Chiv 2 lets you be more active and reactive with fast-paced action that actually has weight behind it, compared to Mordhau all you need to do is be passive and focus on parries, exploits, and chambering. That's why it feels sluggish to you because you're way too passive and you don't know how to play the game.
Mordhau without a doubt but it would be better if the Mordhau devs actually kept their word and completely removed the stupid reverse waterfall cucumber 360 maul instakill bullshit. All they needed to do was bugfix those exploits out of the game and it would be perfect.
"A single skilled player can take out several enemies alone just because he's better at the game. A particularly skilled player might be untouchable in the battlefield... instead of artificially reducing this potentially extreme and polarising gap between skill levels, we embrace it and built a game around it." I think that defines the biggest differences between the games. In Chiv 2 you can't really take on everyone at once, it's built around a lower skill floor. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I prefer the way Mordhau combat works.
@@voro8298 it can be casual but 1vX is all about movement and positioning in chiv. Get that active riposte and swing through 7 guys at once, works great as long as you avoid getting your attacks interrupted
@@voro8298 Doesn't bother me if you disagree with Me. The fact of the matter is it matters where you place your body to fight matters which is called tactics. secondly you can't fight 50 dudes so it's at least more realistic than the Mord.
Played both games and i have 180+ hours in Mordhau and 20+ hours in Chiv 2. Yet i say Chiv 2 has a way better and more realistic fighting and physics system, better maps and better community (there are very few people being toxic in the chat). In Mordhau, i love the 1v1 duel system and the horde mode too, but i still prefer Chiv 2 even tho im only level 30 in it right now.
Mordhau's incredibly high skill floor just kills the superior map designs and vast customisation options. I pretty much can't enjoy the game other than playing as an archer... Chivalry 2 had a rough start, but being able to actually play the game as a melee class, and always having some supportive capabilities via class skills are what tips the scales hard for me.
They added newbie servers last update, where rookies get to fight more equal opponents. Maybe you want to give those a go (if you still are in the skill bracket required to play on those).
I believe that the developers of Chiv 2 and the Developers of Mordhau should get together and make the worlds best Medieval slasher ever made
Don’t invite crush
@@Sample-du6ux he'd ruin the fucking animations to shit lol
They should both work together make crossover and more gore and more army and battle royals mode people fine weapon bandage tonsurvived the ring will be fire the circle and then wagon you got of cutscenes then people go fight to last standing win
From what I've seen from the mordhau dev's I don't think they'd do well in a professional setting working with a different team at all. Chiv 2 should just take what inspiration it can from the other devs game without compromising on their more casual skill ceiling and the balance of their own game given the change of pace is what everyone seems to like.
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Chivalry would be perfect if they added :
1. Team based competitive play where it's like guild Vs guild
2. Character creation and better customisation
0. Animations better than in Morrowind (currently about the same).
@Captain Beano is it ranked competitive though?
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 ok good I thought I was the only one
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 chivalry's animations better
love morrowind tho
Custom match for pvp and steamer matches etc
Honestly for me, if Chiv 2 had the sheer customization of Mordhau, i would play it so much more. There's just something about playing as a knight that you customize almost perfectly in a medival slasher that i like.
Yep Chiv 2 need more customization and get rid of the bugs in this case and i would play like 100% more, just farmed a horned helmet and cant wear it with my armour.... WTF DEVS WTF
Can you make your character black, if not then it’s garbage
they just kept the simplity of chivalry 1 to 2 xD they wanted to keep at any point their basic changing armors etc but still theres coming new stuff and things and fixes etc tornbanner tries really hard , people like in chv1 are the same sometimes , they can be funny good accompanying etc but also as in every medieval game like it was in medieval , toxic pagans toxic heretics of sun and more xD but it makes game more good and you actually make bounds with it by meeting these players you are later like "ugh damn them next time when i will meet them i will show them" and also some players talks later about players they met so thats another way of punishing and making kinda lore? xDD or something
still the fear of chivalry ffa servers is kono so you know
and what i personally need is bringing old maps they were really aeasthetic or however you call it , they were climatic and these gladiators arena etc great times , but there is upcoming crossplay parties support and custom servers (so probably with mods i guess [time to learn UE xD] ) only one thing for now they really screwed up is that they didnt add helmets to epic version that are on steam version and i really would love to transfer my acc to steam (i would buy it again if its needed) cuz epic's launcher is very ram eating and lagging and slow loading basic things so yea
well damn, now you've convinced me to load up Mordhau and run around as an Engineer Midget
My dwarf knight on his way to destroy banners and die 30 times to head shots
I'd really like a mix of both games. The team objective modes and maps are so much better in Chivalry 2 but I like the style and combat of Mordhau much better. I'd like to add that I'm absolutely not a pro but would consider me a mid-tier player. Like you said in your video mid-tier vs. mid-tier players is where the fun is in Mordhau.
Most players will end up mid tier, so I think catering to scrubs is a stupid idea. I'm a mid tier player and love Mordhau. Never even thought of trying to be "pro" if you could even argue such a tier exists for Mordhau with severely lacking prize money, sponsorships, and viewers.
Pre rework feitoria invasion was really good though, all it needed was less campy nobles and 1 more stage to make people explore the less played areas; I also enjoyed grad invasion a lot. I honestly do not think chivalry 2 team objective maps are that better... they are won and lost purely by KDA while in mordhau utility and support classes can do A LOT, chivalry 2 engineer class is a JOKE compared to mordhau toolbox, the medkit, warhorn and banner abilities are helpful but provide near zero decision making, you almost always use them when they are charged up, you do not support people in chiv 2 because you want to, you do it because you do not want to waste ability charge.
Both games suffer from not encouraging people to enter less played areas though, first version of castello could have been glorious if devs just added something like dynamic objectives so people entered the unplayed areas instead of reworking it for god knows what reason and wasting developer time.
And yeah, chiv 2 combat compared to mordhau is like comparing microdick to BBC.
@@UmamiPapi If you cater to low/casual players they will leave after ~100 hours because they will realize the game lacks depth to be worth sticking to.
2 of the 30 people who play mordhau are commenting on the same post talking about how great it is LMAO
@@killmesoicanrespawn3775 ???????? Because it has low player numbers I cannot express liking it's combat. What's it like to be down syndrome?
I think "community" should also be a big point when rating a game. Since that can make it or break it
They both suck. But Chiv doesn't have Player Mods afaik so point Chivalry.
In melee PvP games I very much enjoy more casual approach like in Dark Souls.
In Chivalry 2 I like how I can fight a top-scorer as mid-tier and feel like we're having a duel even though it will most likely end in my death.
That way I can also know exactly why I failed, where I can get better, but in many more competetive melee PvP games it feels like I'm losing to mechanics I need to learn but not in any logical way through gameplay.
So Chivalry 2 will always end up feeling more interactive, and as long as balance is good it will mean skill will play a big factor.
Yeah, and then in mordhau top scorer is gonna be a naked clown with plague doctor mask who will instantly oneshot you with a maul while spamming laugh lmao. It's a great game but you really need a hundred hours in it to even feel like you have an impact as a player, the tutorial does pretty much nothing to teach you how to play.
@@vengefulraven4322 that is exactly what drove me away from Mordhau. In Chivalry 2 I at least stand somewhat of a chance against the best player in the match and don't have to see him have a stroke with every single swing, before my inevitable death where he keeps laughing his ass of with the same annoying voice ever. single. time.
Still, chivalry 2 combat just feels horribly spongy, laggy, unresponsive and unsatisfying
What does dark souls have to do with anythinf
@@vengefulraven4322 is that any different from dark souls?
It's allways good with competition between diffrent game studios making similar games, it moves the entire genre forward. Here's hoping for a Mordhau 2 and and even more ambitious updates to Chiv 2. Would love to see new weapons added to chiv like flails and old remastered maps from chiv 1, like citadel and stoneshill.
mordhau recently made a big patch with a lot more stuff
@@beastmasterbg that patchie was shit
Why would I want to pay for another mordhau if the first one gets minimal content updates twice, or even once a year
By the time they make mord 2 chiv 3 will be released lol
@@beastmasterbg yeah but they’re still pc only so that’s hurts the player base and money generating to bring new patches and content.
The way mordhau swords clashed together sometimes and had actual physics gave it a more realistic look. I definitely miss that ALOT
then there was hyperdragging... which wasnt so realistic.
Knights having seizures to confuse an opponents defense is so very realistic.
@@catbeans4685 it is!
Mordhau is ass
I hit an axe with my arrow, fucking legendary
I sunk a couple hundred hours back when Chiv 1 first released and fell in love (including the Deadliest Warrior DLC!). It was a unique gaming experience that the part of me that's fascinated with the medieval era, knights and melee combat was thrilled to partake in. I ended up shelving the game in favor for competitive FPS games with skill based match making with my buddies. Fast forward a decade later, having a full time job and a family to take care of leaves me with a lot less gaming time, a lot more solo gaming, and an interest in a more casual PVP gaming experience. Coming back to the medieval slasher genre with Chivalry 2 is an incredible breath of fresh air with a tinge of nostalgia. The updated graphics, sound design, voice acting and immersion is outstanding, especially having missed out on Mordhau which I'm sure was an upgrade to Chiv 1 in at least graphics. I'm having a ton of fun and can see myself settling in for a long time.
My advice for anyone choosing between giving your time to either of these games... just remember that they have finite life spans that don't carry onward into regular yearly releases, given the nature of the developers not being AAA studios. Enjoy making memories while the playerbase is active and thriving. 😊
Deadliest Warrior DLC was the goat
Such a well said and relatable comment. You put that feeling to words perfectly, I am going through the same thing
Seriously great post.
As a Mordhau vet (casual player, more a 1vx waraxe/exec sword fiend than a duelist) this video was very high quality, very educational and not shallow or ignorant whatsoever. It has helped me decide to try out Chivalry 2 at some point for a better casual experience.
However, I would have liked to see the class system of Chivalry 2 compared with the point buy loadouts of Mordhau as a part of which has better balancing or enjoyment.
i want to play with u ur name say ur name
I’ve sunk countless hours into Mordhau, but it’s really the immersion in Chiv 2 that makes me comeback to the game more often after playing both medieval slashers. Though Mordhau is typically seen as the more competitive of the two, I like how the skill ceiling is in every team obj map in Chiv 2. I love how it rewards the top players special roles via map(duke, heir, prisoner, etc), which encourages the entire team to do their best not only individually but promotes team play
I absolutely agree. Also I really do believe that the skill ceiling is high enough. I just had (probably my best one so far) a match yesterday (currently lvl 170) where my first death occurred after 25 kills and 38 assist/kills (don’t know the correct translation). I still see ppl being 200+ lvl with 30+ kills and less than 9 deaths regularly. So to be honest I like that they are not invincible, but they definitely do have a big impact. It would be weird if one soldier would be able to stand up to like 10.
@@Schwachsinnnmeanwhile in mordhau one guy stand like 20 like 8 at the same time and keep killing everyone that comes after
This lead to some crazy kda in matchs like 100/4
Also, screaming "FOR THE ORDER!!" or "AGATHAAAAAAA!!!!" is really cool and immersive. The game really does its best to keep you feeling like you're a part of one extreme trying to exterminate another. Just experiencing the details of the maps shows you the character of each side. In one map, you can see an agathian soldier strung up in a water wheel, effectively torturing him to death by drowning, and there are hanged agathian soldiers on the bridge. In another map you can see a Masonic Knight crucified.
It's a bit sad that there's no level in Chiv2 like the one in Chiv1 where you attacked all the King's potential heirs so Malric could take the throne. Throwing the nobles of Bridgetown into the river just isn't as deliciously evil.
I feel like if modding tools were released to the chivalry 2 community and you could use use client-side mods for visual customization it would win out handily.
Idk, mordhau pvp is too satisfying for me to switch to chivalry
@@mtganalytic9796😂
Not even gonna argue with you, just gonna laugh 😂😂
The biggest issue I have with chiv 2's combat is game feel. From how swings feel to blocking, comparing the feel of chambers and counters. Mordhau just feels more polished, your camera follows your character.
I agree that as a base chivalry 2 has combat better suited to what it wants to be, but the game feel is something I'll really miss from mordhau even though I don't play it as much anymore.
I feel much the same, the issue i have with chiv 2 duelling is the counter feint, why have a feint if opponents can fall for the feint and immediately morph to counter? Duels just become endurance battles which feel kinda dull IMO.
@@Max-gh6px It's super easy to counter so having counter feints adds another layer to combat where you have to match the initial attack and the feint attack in order to stay in the fight. If you fail to read an attack and use the feint to get a second chance, your opponent also gets a feint to punish you.
It's that or they make kicks/jabs harder to read or go back to timed block, both of which would hurt casual play too much for a game focused around casual play.
And the 240 system combined with a few direction attack binds is a masterpiece.
I honestly dont miss staring at the ground and having a seizure with every swing in mordhau to throw-off.
Tell me you just wanna exploit as broken system with out telling me that you prolly call it “skill”
I think you are wrong about defence in chivalry 2. The kick is the foil to that argument. The threat of a fast kick negates the ability to block everything and forces counters, which makes accels/drags/feints viable.
Also stamina degen. If you hold block you're gonna get disarmed.
Also the shield/sword bash to interrupt attacks.
Almost no one uses kicks, lol
@@vinniciuselion4544
Then they won't see it coming! 😏
@Virtual Warp nah kicks kinda suck in chivalry 2, it's reactable and basically every action that isn't blocking is neutral/wins over kick
With the latest Mordhau update being as anticlimactic as it was as well as all the false promises they didn't fulfill I prefer Chiv 2. I also just enjoy a more casual focused game where I can play with my boyfriend or someone else who is new to the franchise without them feeling like they can't do anything.
I will say that Mord has way waaay better roleplay potential though which personally is the part I enjoy most with it.
Honestly, Mordhau is much more about learning all of the bizarre mechanics and glitches (cucumber anyone?) than actually being a good fighter. In Chivarly 2, everything makes sense, weapon range, attack speed, damage, etc., but Mordhau does a ton of insane stuff to try and be different, which honestly just turns the game into a matter of how many hours you've put in to learn the crazy ideas of the developers.
As a Mordhau vet, I can confirm. You have to spend an insane amount of time learning all of the weird stuff in Mordhau, and at that point, it just isn't even a fighting game anymore. It's a matter of hitting certain buttons in a specific order.
when the fighting game requires you to learn the fighting mechanics
@@marcelerystick7416when the fighting game requires you to learn glitches and whatever this twisty arm mess is at 6:40
Honestly, i want chivalry 2 and mordhau devs collab and make lord of the rings with this type of game...
@@marcelerystick7416 The fights don’t look anything like real life in Mordhau. They look like dueling water noodles.
I love both games but i like mordhau more because of the freedom you have in customization and how you want to play, chiv 2 feels so limited i feel like i have no freedom in what i look like and weapons
Edit: i personally think they should make a game together just to see what would happen it might be a amazing game
They probably hate each other. I can imagine either side being rather petty.
Game modes from chiv 2 and everything else from mordhau. Now that I have played both of those games... chiv 2 hardly innovated anything, they made combat better from chiv 1 but it is still worse from mordhau.
@@Igor369 sorry no ballerina fighting in chiv 2
@@Igor369 it's very subjective. to me mordhau combat is not even rly better than chiv1's. And far worse than chiv 2
I totaly agree with You,i mean graphical speaking,i think chivalry 2 has better graphic and better Maps but it feels more limitated….i mean You can’t even put down Your weapon,You are always stuck in a battle stance and it’s annoying ,You can’t roleplaying even if there are elements that can be used as chairs…i hope the devs will think about adding no combat stance/unfold weapon if you don’t want fight
Been playing Mordhau religiously ever since it launched. Loved it but the lack of content and updates kept me frustrated, specially the mod support. Recently tried Chivalry 2 when it launched on steam and after playing it non stop for ~2 weeks in a row, i promise i cannot go back to Mordhau anymore. Not only they killed Mordhau with the latest UI update, but it feels so lacking in content and objectives. Chivalry2 may be less of a skill-based game but has the polish and the content that will never get you bored. It's also very funny. I think it's time to press F for Mordhau... it will be missed but i think it served as the waiting room for chivalry 2.
I couldn't have said it any better. I used to love Mordhau as well and played it all the time, but the lack of updates and the Dev negligence towards fixing broken mechanics like waterfall, wessex, spinning, broken drags and accels just really made it easy for me to migrate to Chiv 2 where thanks to the high defense of the game, it is easier to not be destroyed by those attacks. Mordhau just isn't an enjoyable experience for newbies anymore because they'll just get destroyed around every corner. I'll deeply miss Mordhau, but the Devs killed the game when they could've made it flourish.
@@superamazinghotdogbatmand1688 I just got more hay yesterday and it’s hell lol. I only win when I am lucky. The world players do moves that somehow bypass my parry. When I attack they chamber and hit me. When I try to chamber they hit me before I can mirror. I don’t know how I’m supposed to learn when everything seems so intuitive.
I just wish chivalry 2 had the kind of weapon and armour customization mordhau does
I’d really like a game with the customization of Mordhau (imo one of the game’s strongest aspects), combat as fluid as Mordhau, a dev team as good as Chivalry 2’s, and maps/gamemodes as good as Chivalry 2.
this^
The combat is way better in Chivarly 2 though.
@@jaysoniorg2950 way primitive*
@@gwynbleinn bizarrely complicated mechanics don't make a game better, the polar opposite actually. The greatest fighting games (and most played) of all time require no time to learn controls. That way, you're getting good at the game, rather than learning ridiculous shit like "cucumber" in Mordhau, lol.
@@jaysoniorg2950 but complicate mechanics makes game deeper and more varied. In mordhau you can end combat in one attack by deceiving the enemy, which is fully corresponds with the essence of duels. Also weapon have own physics and can collide with enemy weapon. All this help to create more interesting situations, not just exchanging of attacks and simple feints until you run out of stamina
If Chivalry 2 had Mordhau's customization and a little more on the PvE side of things, it'd be perfect for me. The beginner mode is super fun, but we could use more of that. A horde mode would be most welcome in a more casual game like chiv. But oh good LORD does the customization need a huge rework.
The hord mode in mordhau was inspired by the horde mode in the first chivalry (it was a zombie mode). So it's possible they'd bring it back at some point in chivalry 2
@@sonic-bb i dont think the one in first chiv was made by them
To say chivalry has changed my interests in hobbies and in turn my life would be an understatement. Chiv 1 was my baby for a long while and I eventually grew to hate it, giving it a bad review on steam, playing the game often to complain about what the community became. The devs eventually knew me and knew I stopped playing all that much in turn for complaining about the various broken aspects. I really dissed torn banner for a long time, but with the release of chivalry 2 they quite literally addressed absolutely everything I complained about. I stayed with the game until the very end, where I would get on and only find about 60 people playing worldwide, the ONLY people left were the spinning cheesers who were the last ones left in the game because of what they did to it, it was pretty bad. A couple weeks before the release of chiv 2 I got onto chiv 1 again and I got into a full lobby, modded map and it was just like old times, it was amazing and reminded me of what chivalry used to mean to me.
In the Chivalry games I collectively have like 2000 hours, and Mordhau only 60, I played Mordhau for merely moments compared to most others and its because it actually brought back almost everything I complained about in chiv 1, the high damage weapons that you can simply accel to kill instantly, the spinning had made a comeback, repetitive/annoying high level combat, toxic community that would kick you for speaking of anything about their cheesing of the game, and much more. I had taken a different approach to combat in chiv 1, I used to be mobile and didn't rely on parry mechanics, dodging with crouch and using my character movement to force a miss, something that was heavily required when your parry hitboxes were the most broken thing about the game. Mordhau completely banned my playstyle, there was no way I could use what I knew about chiv 1 to play Mordhau and I dropped it.
Chivalry 2 had released and I was geeking the hell out, they had made my playstyle the main focus of the game. they had fixed everything I complained about and they CONTINUE to fix everything I complain about, its actually the Chivalry game I wanted so many years ago. The toxic community stayed with Mordhau and I grew to love chivalry again. Save for a couple complaints that are microscopic compared to what used to exist, this game is perfect to me and I will continue to play it as long as I did TBs previous installment. As time goes on TB continues to fix issues that people complain about, and no matter how angry I may get in a match I still cant look at TB the same way I used to, theyve really stepped it up and now I desperately want horde mode from chiv 1 back and the Deadliest Warrior DLC back. Chivalry: DW was better than base chiv and I played that until there were only 4 players left, infact I feel the night we all logged off was the official night the game had lost ALL players.
I now own a suit of armor based on the Mason order (and italian artwork) and I plan on sport fighting in it, in the name of The ORDER.
Very nice explanation sir thank you
Why do ppl write entire essays on yt comments shits annoying lol
@@h8latinosbutblkrcool Because some people are passionate about things that you aren't passionate about. Nobody forced you to read that comment and here you are bitching about it, grow up.
@@h8latinosbutblkrcool 🤨
@@h8latinosbutblkrcoolImagine not being able to read an essay 😂😂
Typical product of the American school system, seriously dawg; you go onto a video essay, open the comments, and then complain when people are having lengthy discussions 😂😂
Ah who am I kidding, you can't even read what I'm saying 😂😂
I gotta comment on the mordhau community, my experience is much different. You can hop on a duel server past midnight and meet some of the most chill people I have ever seen in video games, the ammount of help and tips i got there was immense.
Honestly chivalry2 i wish they would expand the lore even more because I really like it.
0:11 in does that guys head produce a cabbage when it gets chopped off??? 😆
As a chivalry vet alot if us Chivalry player went to mordhau but it just wasn't the same even though it was made by chivalry vets it felt like they made their ideal chivalry with more focus on super intricate combat and less focus on the actually making the game fun(not including mods). Complex melee is great don't get me wrong but chivalry and chivalry 2 already have a higher level of combat then most other online games. Plus I have always love the Aussie chivalry community well the vets anyway. And finally I don't know any chivalry vets I used to play with who actually stuck with mordhau. Most of them are playing chivalry 2 to this day and I don't have any plans on stopping. Mordhau has its own community which is pretty cool now but it all about the mods and chivalry players like me couldn't care less about mods.
I've put over 1000 hours into Chiv and Mordhau. The combat and customization of Morhau is so superior, the way you handle the weapons feels very satisfying and technical. However the team based modes and maps in Chivalry are better in my opinion. I would choose Mordhau overall for the combat because I just can't go back from it.
@henrywalton5967 Lol. Janky combat isn't good dude 😂😂
After watching countless comparison videos, most went with Mordhau. I'm about 50 hours into mordhau, level 29. I'm finding it pretty difficult, the high level players really take the fun out of the game.
I'm a sucker for faints, ill always fall for them. I find I always get one shot, then when I do the same move to someone else I'll die lol.
The only way I've been able to level up is helping a group kill one guy, as soon as it comes to 1v1 (unless their the same skill level as me) I'll get dropped. And i really hate the fact I cant hold my ground. How can you play Mordhau if you cant even defend yourself. It would be fine if people played somewhat normally, but most people i come across are running and jumping and just swinging an axe or hammer around decapitating everyone around them.
I've joined noob friendly 1v1 servers but everyone in these servers are definitely not noobs
@HelloHelloe Damn 5 months, forgot all about this lol. I've been playing and training for months now. Level 82, 267 hours on steam. I got a lot better. I'm now familiar with the game mechanics. When your brand new it will definitely take some time to understand.
I'm now the one who feints other people, most fall for.. the good players dont. I can hold my own fairly well. But some players are just a different level of skilled.
I stopped trying to play to win and just played for the enjoyment, and that alone made things better for me. I also made sure to experiment with most weapons and I'm definitely a pole arm user aha. Halberd and pole axe are my go to. When you in a sense 'get good' Mordhau is alot more fun
@@manager6711 How long did you take to 'get good'? I really want to like mordhau, but I'm a casual gamer. If I put more than fifty hours into a game, thats a rarity and means I adore it. It just sounds like I'd need to spend an ungodly amount of time to even become half-decent.
I feel like both games have enough pros and cons to justify getting in to either of them, a very honest and fair video. Also as SOON as you mentioned Dev Support as a category iw as like "Yeah this is going to Chiv 2 no question"
Peek mordhau experience is a naked gnome with a sledge hammer destroying everyone in the lobby
yeah also to add to Chiv2's gameplay, the counters are an amazing addition. Cooldown hits always feel cheap. Watching yourself have to take a hit because you're on cooldown sucks and never feels good. It just feels great to tap that R key when someone comes in with a maul feinting their hearts out like it's mordhau 2019.
Also people say the customization is better in mordhau which it seems like it is since it has way more options to choose from, but people also say it’s the more realistic and historically accurate game. I have seen naked guys with a plague doctor mask on spin around 360°. I like the customization in Chivalry since although it isn’t really that in depth, it does feel like your knight is playing in your specific faction. Helmets and armor pieces aren’t too far off and it makes you look like you belong in that era which I prefer.
That is true. Mordhau has way more customization options but too much meme loadouts makes battles look ridiculous.
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@@KingLouie111 Can confirm lol. I've been maining a santa cosplay with quarterstaff for the last 2100 hours of playtime or so. x'D
Always gives me a chuckle. There's nothing quite like watching a fully armored opponent get sticked down.
As an ex-Mordhau player I gotta say Mordhau combat is amazing. The feeling of getting good at the game is so rewarding especially when you learn how to chamber. Coming from Mordhau to Chivalry is like going hardcore to casual. Mordhau helped me learn these kinds of games and now I regularly top frag in Chivary 2. Chivalry 2 has the upper hand in its set pieces and the battlegrounds are so immersive. Also the developer support from Chivalrys developer is great. I always take a break and come back whenever they get an update. Its nice that lobbys are still full thanks to crossplay too.
I massively prefer Chivalry 2's combat. Mordhau's controls are ridiculous and the weapon stats/behaviors make no sense at all.
@@jaysoniorg2950 nah it's slow af
@@patrikarnic lol! Mordhau has insanely slow weapon swings. To the point that you have to just sit there for seconds before even trying to parry, and the character movement is half as fast as Chivalry 2.
@@jaysoniorg2950 yeah it's really cool when they hold their block till their stamina runs out
@@patrikarnic nah blocks can easily be broken with kicks so you cant just hold block against competent players. Most 1v1 fights in chivalry ends in around 15 seconds whereas in Mordhau duels can last well over 30 seconds if both players are at a similar skill lvl. I think the reason you find C2's combat slower is because Mordhau's combat involves more camera movements which makes it look more fluid and smoother than C2's.
I can say both actually both are very similar in graphics and weapons
One thing tho. Chivalry 2 has jabs and kicks. These 2 on their own do actually add way more depth to the combat 'cause you can interrupt someone's attack with a jab and break someone's defense with a kick (if they hold it down)
You DO actually have to build up a lot of skill in Chivalry 2, just not as much as Mordhau (that looks like a bunch of knights with scoliosis and hyperactivity dancing while drunk. Not like that is bad tho)
Mordhau also has jabs and kicks
@@DylanConi never said it didn't
@GoGodman cool
Looking at the footage of the competitive parts, Chivalry 2’s combat appears way more coherent and less tryhard than high-level Mordhau. That alone makes me prefer Chivalry more.
Personally I prefer Chivalry 2 a lot more than Mordhau. I don't have the free time as I used to, so it is already hard enough learning advanced and complex combat mechanics. While I would have liked it due to the better skill expression and competitive feel if I was younger and had more time again, it is not something I keep up. Especially when I am playing different games too.
Thank you for this video, it was very helpful! I'm currently downloading Chiv 2 after getting fed up with Mordhau's combat and tiny playerbase. I've been following Mordhau since it was announced and playing it on and off since the open beta tests, but the skill differences between a more casual player like myself and the vast majority of the players I end up meeting (OCE based so my player pool is even smaller than most) makes games incredibly unfun. That paired with an almost absurd level of toxicity in the community has definitely soured me to the game. Knowing Chiv 2 is much more accessible and immersive is very good, and based on this vid I think I'll enjoy my time with it a lot more.
I've now played over a 100 hours in both of games. Mordhau, as for my perspective, feels smoother, because animations are more distinguishable and can be cancelled, and 1v1 as for me, feels better, because you and your opponent have enough room for outplay or mistake. Also, the customization is really nice and not buggy, as it is in chivalry. In chivalry, 1vX or mass fights feel better, because there are many moves like dodge, crouch(which is easier than mordhau crouch dodge), kick to disposition opponent and simply block or repost all incoming strikes. Also teamfights for me feels like i really play with my team, interrupting enemy strikes and kicking enemy off my bois, to prevent them from dying, and other sorts of wacky stuff.
Although, new chivalry duels seems like a total mess for me. Some strikes don't hit, your block is often countered by simpliest face attacks, and other shenanigans tend to happen. But that's technical stuff, my main problem is that you can't really outskill your opponent due to how game works. The main reason is movement and animations, cause in XvX fights they feel fine and good, but in 1v1 with constant moving, they start to feel veeery cluncky. It's like a mix of superfast animations like dodge, crouch or R-strikes, and slow, very slimy swings and blocks. It's just feel like really strange fight. Also, the game balance is really broken and some weapons(Hammers, for my point) are clearly superior. The whole stamina system feels fine, but for me it's still not what i used to.
Well, I think that Chiv2 is a fun game, but in a long-time it will be forgotten by most of the people who gained interest in it because "haha funny anime swords go chew chew knights" or other dumb stuff. I think for mordhau, it will still be a niche game for sweatlords and freaks, but it'll still be alive for long long time.
Man, I just want my chiv1 back... It was dumb ans silly, but when you started to master combat system, it looked dumb and unrealistic, but really feeled like you accomplished something greater and can compete with other people. And the community was so good... I wish we just have less toxic people in all of games like these, and I wish i will hear dumb jokes from monthy python and not racial slurs or mum-insults in chat.
Distinguishable animations? Like the seizures you cause to co fuse an opponents defense? Ok.
@@catbeans4685 Having a seizure isn't viable at high levels, it's just for fucking with noobs.
@Heligoland360 Not true. 1000 hours in Mordhau and ppl still die to noodle arm strats 😂😂
I wish chiv 2 had a horde mode to this day
King Louie killing it with the content lately!
As a new Mordhau players that never played Chivalry 2 I must agree that Mordhau AIN'T beginners friendly, you just get matched with level 200 and must practice until you can get a kill, it can take days... The only thing I like is the "realism" until some tryhard starts to make some weird moves and one-tap you.
Other than that, the game is amazing, I can play it for days and still love it, sometimes it may get tiring tho.
I completely agree with your conclusion. Chiv 2 is a good thing, even if a Mordhau elitist like me thinks it's too casual. Chiv 2 helps bring in new players and introduce them to the genre.
Chiv came first tho.
@James Face it bro chiv 1 sucked. Chiv 2 > ALL
dude, thank you so much for making this! i kept hearing about chivalry 2, not even looking up gameplay because i thought that it definitely wouldnt be as good as mordhau, but i was completely wrong. i might actually have to look into buying it some day
Another important point is the community that plays the games. Mordhau has some of most unpleasant try hard idiots that I have had the misfortune to be in a server with. People in dueling servers are usually pretty cool. But in my experience public matches can often be a cesspool. With many players displaying a massively inflated ego, despite the fact they always use the strongest perk and weapon loadouts as a crutch (full level 3 armor with pre-nerf bloodlust, and just picking up a powerful high point cost weapon.) and stacking whatever team has the advantage. Doing everything in their power to make the game as easy as possible. Despite constant bleating about their high skill level.
As someone who plays Chiv 2,It is worth every penny,plus you can go berserk in first person which amps up realism and brutality, and that includes the weapons. Yes,they take time to swing, but that's realistic, so Chiv 2 for me is a winner
I own both games and both has very good points. If they would add this 2 game into 1, that would be a perfect game.
So I have amassed almost 100 hours in Chivalry 2. I am by no means a professional PvP Medieval gamer, but I know that this is my scene with over an easy 1,000 hours in Mordhau. Blyxus here, and in Mordhau I think people actually like playing in this world more vs. Chiv 2.
The Yin & Yang is real in this situation, but maybe people in the comments can help me decipher:
In chivalry 2: RDM FFA server top playersr 35/8 per say
Mordhau RDM FFA: Probably close to that if not 30/2
I can't play either or at the same time since my CPU is limited; so I have to delete either or in order to play the other. This gives me an unbiased experience for the most part. After 1k hours on Mordhau, I am by all no means to discontinue my experience with Chiv 2 after almost 2 years of ridiculing it. I'm comfortable with the "equality" in competition, yet I do miss the comedic community and crazily body and building destructions with Mordhau.
I got 2k hours in Mordhau, 1999h of those in duel servers.
I love the atmosphere and Combat flow of Mordhau which occurs rarely in chiv, Also duel servers at chiv launch was a absolute mess with FFA etc.
Chiv 2 TO is so much fun, cant even force myself to play TO in Mordhau, but when i played Chiv i looked forward to playing another game.
Most likely migrating to chiv duels soon if its not fucked still!
Also most annoying thing in Mordhau is the stereotypical lvl 80-90 sweats in all black with a vocabulary consisting of ”Bot” and ”fear” when u ignore them after they randomly FFA you, Good ol Mordhau
Hello Macho :bot:
you only played duel mode, of course it's not fun.
'duel servers at chiv launch was a absoolute mess with FFA etc'
you mean like how duel servers at mordhau launch were FFA servers?
I can definitely confirm that chivalry 2 is more beginner friendly. Came here when i saw mordhau for free on epic.
Lol got chivalry 2 about 3 months back had been thinking of mordhau
Clocked in about 45hrs in chivalry and I love it at times it's hard. But when I play it safe and block more then make sure I choose my moments to strike it usually works in my favor. Most people want to kill you as quick as possible and they end up wasting stamina when you dodge and block. Giving you the chance to punish them for it.
After playing almost 700 hours of Mordhau, playing Chiv 2 feels like moving through molasses. Every step, every swing, every parry, feels like it's hard for the character to do, almost paining them to pull off.
Mordhau makes you feel like a badass knight kicking ass and taking names, whereas Chiv 2 makes you feel like a nameless, faceless soldier.
Torn Banner may be a better dev team, with more experience and resources, but Triternion caught lightning in a bottle, they just didn't know what to do with it.
WELL SAID
True.
Chiv 2 lets you be more active and reactive with fast-paced action that actually has weight behind it, compared to Mordhau all you need to do is be passive and focus on parries, exploits, and chambering. That's why it feels sluggish to you because you're way too passive and you don't know how to play the game.
@@The-Black-Death Chiv 2 when released has much more bugs compared to mordhau release. The problem is not only in combat mechanics. Stupid restrictions on the map, “customization” when you do not have actual choice, lagged animations, weird hitboxes, wired throwable ballistics, long preludes before each map. All these problems make you feel like in pre alpha game. Combat mechanics just make it worse imho.
@@The-Black-Death Not true at all.
Chambers are not to be focused on in Mordhau, they are very situational. This point alone tells me you don't really understand Mordhau.
Chiv 2 combat is NOT fast paced compared to Mordhau, it's simply not the case. Swings in Mordhau are faster for many weapons (just look at the battle axe), and you need a much faster reaction speed to be consistently effective.
The key to success in Mordhau is NOT to be passive, that's a death sentence. If the archers don't pick you off, the level 200 with a longsword will. Not moving is not living.
Parrying is skill based in Mordhau. You cannot hold your block (duh) so you have to know when the enemy's weapon will hit. Passive? Far from it. You have to be ACTIVELY observing and calculating the distance and placement of the enemy's weapon compared to your own. Thinking the way you do will get you killed almost every time. I bet you are extremely susceptible to feints.
Exploits. Ah, yes, this weak point again. There are weapons that are really good at certain specific things. I will agree that some weapons are TOO good at these things, and can be the sole tactic used by those who wield them. Spear? Alt mode stab only. Scimitar? Spam attacks. Longsword? Drag stab. Battle axe? Accel spam. Arming sword? Feint spam. Playing to a weapon's strength is not an exploit, it is playing to a weapon's strength. If you're talking about the crazy spin stuff, that only works on low levels and shitty players. It's really easy to read for most weapons. You can only spin before committing to the attack, and once the swing starts moving forward, you can no longer spin like that, making it very easy to see the right moment to parry.
It sounds like you don't understand the core mechanics of Mordhau, and that will likely explain why you defend Chiv 2 in such a clumsy way. I'm not saying that Chiv 2 is inherently worse. I will always prefer Mordhau's combat, it is god damned wonderful, and it was designed with high level players in mind who are willing to spend upwards of a thousand or more hours mastering it. Chiv 2 is made for casual players to pick up within a few dozen hours max. They made it slow so that more people could be more successful without having to commit a huge amount of time.
Combat in Chiv 2 is okay at best. You have mix-ups, you have kicks, you have jabs (a nice addition to the formula in my opinion), you have swing cancel, and you have held block. It's not bad. My personal problem with it is the swing manipulation being so restrictive. It makes it feel incredibly slow and clunky, and it is one of the biggest reason why Mordhau has superior combat.
Chiv 2 is not more active. It is not more reactive. It is not fast-paced. It does have weight behind the combat. Compared to Mordhau you are FAR more passive. Chiv 2 focuses much more on blocking and chambering (called counter in Chiv 2). Chiv 2 IS sluggish and passive because it's specifically made to be so.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not here to call names, but you are wrong and misinformed.
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chiv 2 is in the substantially better position:
a lot easier to catch up with content and customization than be behind on graphical map feel, foundational combat mechanics, and developmental teams.
played both, chiv 2 has a larger player base and is currently more fun to hop on and go ham for a little bit.
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While i consider myself a casual player, i am still preferring Mordhau over Chiv 2. I tried both games, i spent a lot more time in Mordhau, yet i can't call myself anything higher than "experienced" in it's combat system, and to be honest, Mordhau's combat just feels more real, more weighty and impactful. Partially thanks to great animations that are not only looking very good when you fight a normal player but also almost don't break when you are fighting animation abuser. But not only thanks to animations.
Biggest difference between Mordhau and Chivalry 2 combat systems are their way of giving player ability to fight for their lives. In Mordhau you only have 7 tools to work with: hit, kick, block riposte, feint, morph, chamber. And with this fairly limited number of actions you can perform, you must invent the way to break your opponent's defenses and make him panic, like you are lockpicking the big and sturdy barn lock, you don't need to memorise hundreds of moves and tricks, you just need to understand them and use them in conjunction to make a play style that is more than a sum of it's parts.
Chivalry 2, on the other hand, gives much more tools and tricks to players, most of which are counterable by simply holding block. In Chiv you must drain your ebemy's stamina and only then kill him, while he is disarmed (given, if course, that opponent don't miss your attacks and that you don't miss his counterattacks too). You have yo memorise a lot more actions, some of which I don't even remember now, and you can't use one action in more than one or maybe 2 situation: jab is to deny hits, kick is to deny blocks, counterattacks are just like cambers, morphs and feints are much less necessary now and so on.
This is what makes me prefer Mordhau, the fact that in Mordhau you have to actually learn how to fight with all your weapon can give to you, not how to use each and individual mechanic on its own. Sure, Chiv has some interesting weapons, but overall, i never felt the feeling of true victory when i poked away someone's weapon and then kill him while he is unarmed, because this is the expected way of killing enemy in Chiv (not to mention that killing an unarmed opponent is not really something to brag about). On Mordhau killing an enemy, especially if he is stronger than you, is actually your own victory, it wasn't right predetermined use of some tricks, it was improvisation with limited actions put in right combination, each fight in Mordhau feel slightly different from eachother because of that, and also feel much harder than Chiv's ones, and because of that you get much more satisfaction from winning a fight in Mordhau. At least that's how i am feeling it, and that's why i prefer Mordhau. I deliberately don't learn how to do drags and accels, not only because i consider it equal to cheating or bug abusing, but als because if i can defeat animation abuser with only fair chambers and feints, then i actually can call myself a winner. Some can call it Stockholm syndrome, i call it adrenaline rush and "bigger risk - bigger reward" philosophy.
I normally just play this kind of games with my friends. So in Mordhau we can use a dedicated server and play just by ourselves. In Chivalry II this is sadly not possible anymore and even if you find an empty server, bots will spawn. I tried Chivalry II in the beginning but to me its just chaotic and hectic.
I would love an open world PvP medieval slasher w/ Mordhau's customization, and army control (CB or M&B). 🤤🤤
And Chiv 2's combat mechanics. Perfect parries, kicks, bashes and ripostes are much more enjoyable than spazzing out like someone with Parkinson's to land an attack.
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So uh mordhau lore is that we are mercaneries clans hired by nobles/free towns to attack/defend nobles/free towns. This also canonicly explains why we get paid on the end of an round
One dimension which is often ignored, especially when it comes to maps and character customization is artistic quality. Chivalry 2 is just better in that regard. I am not talking about the graphical quality as the technology and game engine will play heavily into that. As a professional artist, the aesthetic quality, proportions and life-likeness of the art and animations in Chiv are just better. It is the difference between the stiff pencil sketch of an amateur artist and the flowing proportional lines of a professional. Mordhau to me looks like a bunch of armored robots moving in unnatural and wiggly ways, whereas Chivalry has much more believable and lifelike illustrations and animations. This extends to the lighting and textures of the environments as well. Of course this is subjective to a degree, and there is a stylized quality to the art vs just trying to be as realistic as possible, but ultimately there is a huge gulf to my eyes in terms of artistic polish. This will manifest itself more over time as more character customization and new environments are added to Chiv 2.
Agreed.
although the chiv animations look more fluid, i would argue that it doesnt play as fluid. I think the more "aesthetic" animations are locking you in more. the almost absurd movements in mordhau though they may look "stiff" plays more fluidly. I think a big part is the waist bending following your mouse as well as some differences in the crouch mechanics, coupled with more options while moving like climbing.
This comment is making me buy chivalry 2 right now.
You can customize armor and stuff? Big win.
@@bushwhackerinc.4668 You bought the wrong game then. Mordhau is WAY better in terms of customisation.
I tried both and I think Chiv 2 is better suited for gamers like me how just want to take it easy, get into a chaotic war, swinging my weapon around and get random kills. There is still room for actual skill and technique to shine through but it always almost boils down to 'outsmarting' your opponent rather than having better technical skills / reflexes.
Mordhau on the other hand, I think is better suited for the ones who are willing to invest a considerable amount of time on a more complex melee system. Duels are a lot flashier and you get more rewarded by your technical skills. I just think that at this point, the game has become very unfriendly to newcomers because jesus, there are a LOT of very good Mordhau players now and very few beginners to have an equal match with.
An honest and balanced look at each game from someone who has a lot of experience. Great work, I love it!
My take: Mordhau team made the exact same mistake that Torn Banner did with Chivalry 1 that made the majority of the player base jump ship to Mordhau in the first place. Content updates were too far between. At least when I stopped playing which was almost exactly 2 years ago. I wasn't really interested in dueling all that much in either game, I wanted team objective maps.
I feel like TB has learned their lesson this time and their exclusivity with Epic was like them getting payed to polish the game for steam release, where a lot of players would be getting in anyways. They seem determined get grip on the medieval combat slasher genre and keep it by pushing out more content regularly. Which is great for us, the consumers.
I honestly think we'll be hard pressed to see a game that can satisfy both the casuals and the high tier competitive players since it would be extremely hard to balance, but we can always hope! A great example of this is the Overwatch competitive scene as some classes that dominated the causal scene were hardly used in comp for being "underpowered". (this is drawing from my notoriously bad memory, so I could be wrong)
For a casual like me with a lowly (approximate) 1300 hours in all three games, Chivalry 2 is great. I really do miss dressing up like a peasant and dual wielding frying pans in Mordhau though. That has to be the most satisfying weapon in any of medieval combat slasher game I've played to date.
Imo why wouldn’t you choose the harder combat system to learn. It’s just like learning a real skill, takes time and practice. Your hand isn’t held whatsoever. When you finally get the hang of it the satisfaction is amazing. Mordhau > chiv anyday imo
some people just wanna play a funny medieval melee game and not go 2-30
I would love to see a Mordhau 2 that is a bit better made and much better supported. The combat in Mordhau is so good. The DLC trend in Mordhau is worrying though. If they grub like this I am not buying any DLC.
I agree with just about everything you said. I have a bit over 500 hours in Mordhau and was really into it. Got really good and it felt great to be able to take out 4 or 5 guys newer players just via skill lvl. But currently I play Chiv and even though I can run into a pro that I have no chance beating alone, when there are 2 of us noobs there is a pretty good chance that the pro will lose because they can't hold stamina. I like that, I like that fights are designed to be short. My dram game is to have an RPG like Gloria Victis but with the combat of Chiv2. And user friendly like Civ2. Gloria is so convoluted and the combat is pretty lame. One day they will merge and I will be happy.
Mordhau combat just feels so good, from what I'm getting in the comments it's incomparable to chiv 2, Imma stick with mordhau
idk, the frantic spinning is BS especially in a game where you have to time your parries almost perfectly watching a dude clip his arms inside of his body only to magically hit you is trash IMO. I still play mordhau tho, never played chiv 2.
Imo.
Chivalry 2 has *WAY* more immersive atmosphere and more raw looking maps and enviroment which really makes you feel like you're going into a brutal bloody battle.
Where as Mordhau is almost too sunny and happy feeling.
However Mordhau is much smoother, feels more responsive, offers way more customization options.
But it also has more gigasweats.
I have about 200 hours in mordhau, which is a ton for me. I switched to chivalry 2 because chivalry 2 is actually getting updates with content. If mordhau had the same level of support, I'd probably go back to it. I loved the way fights felt, the games visuals, humor, customization, perks. Its just that after a while there just wasnt anything new being added for very long stretches of time.
I am actually glad that mordhua is focusing on role playing and comunnity events than the sweaty tryhard environment
Soaked hundreds of hours into Mordhau at the time before the eastern invasion was announced. The game was frustrating at first, yes, but the combination of learning the skill curve and becoming visibly better with each month was extremely satisfying. I felt like I was progressing in a very organic way, either by getting Jedi training in duel servers or by seeing the multitudes of move guides available on youtube. Going from having to 4v1 a pubstar just to reach the map objective, to honorably dueling them on equal footing in some distant server in the future past, was the psychological equivalent of finally getting past a difficult Fromsoft boss - threefold. From an outside perspective, this also meant that if you got invested, you also got indirectly exposed to the community wherever you went. whether that's a good or bad thing would depend on every person's individual experiences, but you'll obviously get a mix of both.
To me, it wasn't a matter of toxicity. The game being what it was made it the great equalizer - if you have an ax (or maul) to grind with another player, you can outplay them, or cope. If you couldn't understand why some players would be willing to dedicate dozens of hours into learning a single skill on duels, you left. Or played RP servers. Or bought the next 60 dollar game with under 40 hours of content and moved on.
Then, upon inspecting community chatter and patch releases, what seemed to look like incompetent dev pandering had creeped its way in. Balance changes intended to give those sub-level-20's a chance on pubs. A lack of focus on whether they want to cater to skill farmers or casual players. The reward of you grinding out those hours slightly dissipated under the rug, and each incoming patch seemed somewhat underwhelming at best, never actually changing the GS meta or inherent map issues in any meaningful way. They indirectly discouraged "non-pro/mid" players from following the game, for what appeared to be the hope that they could cash in on the newer players, instead of monetising the already fervent player base through extra content (until they did.) With rumours like "A certain dev" testing balance changes on bots...or getting frustrated with their own player base, well...
Chiv 2 on the other hand, at least doesn't hide what it wants to be. It was never built for high skill ceilings, in an already niche game genre. From the few hours I've put into it now, I can say that it's at least just as polished as Mordhau, given its relative age, with a dev group that isn't planning to kick the proverbial bucket anytime soon. The microtransactions kind of feel like a cheap shot for those who thought grinding out a coveted golden skin was an achievement in Mordhau, but at least it's cosmetic only. Some big mechanical differences such as being able to automatically block 1vX attacks also makes the game less chaotic, both for newer players and those with previous experience in the genre. There are things that will obviously need working out, as I'm sure the injection of a whole new player base with steam must have brought a lot of nitpicks to light, but it's a very solid game nevertheless.
On the other hand - given that the skill ceiling is so different, I can feel that a little bit of the Mordhau magic was lost somewhere along the way. Since there aren't as many differences between skilled/unskilled players, there isn't as much of an incentive to focus on the mechanics. Fighting different players can feel "samey" if not for the occasional reminder that Q abilities exist. In a place where every player needs to feel equal by design, nothing really stands out. You can't flex by picking intentionally bad builds, or create even half as many player-made chaotic interactions, which aren't merely caused by a map's objective changing. Archers now feel like a non-issue, compared to the ones that would actively distract and kill you during intense Feitoria mid duels. Horse farmers aren't even present on most maps, bards don't cheer your team on, and you're left with something akin to those medieval MMA sports matches, where each team runs into one another until one falls off.
All of these things made Mordhau feel "dirty", sure, but it also allowed it to make diamonds out of coal. You either adapted to the pressure, or got lost in the mist of dismissive steam reviews. In Chiv 2, you're already lost on startup - in a sea of replaceable, similar looking players who's voice commands you can barely hear by default, probably so that console players don't break their television speakers. I crave something more, but until some other dev group takes the ideas that sparked mordhau into existence and takes them seriously, Chiv 2 will probably be the closest to a medieval peasant LARPing simulation that we can get. Hope the updates keep coming.
I like both of them. Not sure which I like more - it is more of what kind of mood I am in and what I feel like playing at the moment that determines which game I play and when.
shoutout to the guy who hacked my steam and bought a csgo pass so i was able to sell it and buy Mordhau for free
"Someday we might have a competitive melee slasher suited to both casual and competitive audiences"
Wait a few years and you'll see something marvelous 😉😉
Bro gave chivalry 2 better combat💀
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Hah! I actualy am Lord Brenius, the guy with the pistol around 1:50. Me and my boys were doing some basic training for our RP faction on Arvi's Duels, the server it was recorded on.
Even though Mordhua`s combat is harder to learn and becomes stale at top level, I still think it deserved the point instead of chivalry 2. Mordhua combat is dynamic and gives you more options in certain situations while Chiv 2 is just very basic which will make you get bored faster so I think combat should have gone for Mordhua.
Nah Mordhau gets boring a lot faster. You know why? Because it's not realistic, logical or even enjoyable. It's a chore
@@pardolagames8994 Well I guess its preference then. I played chiv 2 a couple times and I got bored quickly however I play Mordhau since alpha release.
@@pardolagames8994 3500 hours in, and I still feel entertained. I think like the other guy said it's more personal preference than anything. ;)
Even as a casual player, chivalry's design philosophy is a bit too casual for me. The problem for me is that while there is still a skill gap it tries to put everyone on somewhat even footing. While mordhau deliberately does the opposite. I prefer a lower skill floor, a high skill ceiling, and a large bag of moves/skills/equipment you are allowed to mix and match as you wish.
But I don't know, I've been maining a santa cosplay with a quarterstaff for the last 2100 hours, so maybe there's just something wrong with me lol. All I know is mordhau scratches a very particular itch for me. Especially when ppl get salty that they got beat up with a piece of driftwood. Once just a joke account/character that has since gotten out of hand lol. And yes I am named the same on mordhau. Same pfp same everything. x'D
as someone who plays mordhau duels competitively and has 250 hours, the only attack that i hate is the carpet drag, the player thinner is the nickname, other than that fighting people in duels when they are a higher level and skill set than me is more fun
Although Chiv is technically superior, Mordhau's insane customization, hilarious voice lines/bugs and memes, uniquely hard combat, and tight-knit community make it far superior IMO.
The fact that there's bots in PvP modes, and a hold parry always kept me away from Chiv, seems too vanilla.
Since when is there bots in pvp modes?
They got rid of bots and parrying takes correct input, it’s blocking that you hold down a button for. Big difference
I think the major thing with Developer Support for Mordhau is that they could release maps, armor, and more skins over the time. I'm confident they are going to abandon the game after one more update and a hotfix for that update.
Mordhau is harder. Yes. But it feels much much better than Chiv
Reading some comments i'd say it would be nice to be able to switch in some way, maybe depending on the server, between both combat gameplays in one unique game, because i love the mechanics of mordhau but i am thinking on buying chiv 2 for when i want to, idk watch a vid or something while i play.
Combat also has a lot of different aspects to itself. Something like animations, flow, gameplay and mechanics. Gameplay and mechanics go to Chivalry 2. But flow and animations go to Mordhau. I wish more polished animations and a more exciting flow in the combat of Chivalry, but all in all, as it is, Chivalry's combat is better since you can actually fight without guessing a parry. 😄
They’re both cool, after hundreds of hours on chiv I just can’t look at it anymore. Mord is super cool too!
I disagree on one part, I really enjoy the duels of chiv 2. I feel the combat has a great deal of depth that is beneath the surface.
It needs some improving but I can see it going very far
Yeah but it is not really rewarding. I played Chiv 2 for 70hrs and i was pretty much done, there was nothing i havent learned already.
The combat mechanics are objectively stronger than mordhau’s, but I think mordhau does a better job at smooth and fluid combat
@@squidopedia_ how are chiv's stronger than mordhau's when mordhau has more directions and combinations to attack with?
@@saberhap2639 its about quality not quanity, having 3 that do diffrent things is better than 100 that do the same but slightly diffrent. never played mordehau so i cant say about its combat, but in chiv 2 i can say i dont think there is anything in combat that feels not usefull or too situational. every move has its role. even throwing your weapon is something you'll do constantly
Because 1. Mordhau is extremely difficult to get into which is a huge barrier to entry (and why few people play it anymore) while not really having a higher skill ceiling.
2. Mordhau high level duels are just super janky which isn't really fun. Getting good at Mordhau consists entirely of learning increasingly ridiculous animation glitches that break the games mechanics completely. High level Chiv combat consists of learning to predict your enemy and reacting accordingly (as it should). @@saberhap2639
I hope Chiv2 adds a lot more content in the near future. It's fun to play, but the main customisation options are in weapons, and I frankly want more armour options, in general, and more armour that gives me a reason not to wear a helmet, like the ones that have coifs.
Chiv 2 you have to go with fun.
as soon as you said "developer support" I nearly cackled
I feel like the combat mechanics are much better in chiv 2 but the smoothness and execution is done better in mordhau. Worse mechanics but done in a better feeling way
Possibly one of the best of these videos.
i agree with all your points except the first one , mainly being because the games are being reviewed for their hack and slash medieval content not so much mods like star wars. If that were the case then you’re better off buying a star wars game. Nonetheless great video and thanks for posting :D
Chivalry 1 had a horde mode, idk why its not in chiv 2.
Mordhaus combat may be more complex, but high level mordhau looks ridiculous
Chiv 2 actually looks like people fighting each other instead of knights having a fucking seizure
High level chiv 2 looks far worse. It'll be more widespread as the game ages. We already have some egregious ballerinas
@@LunkLanguage far worse? Send link I dont think it can get much worse than spazzing knights breaking their spines with their jump spins
Let’s not forget player count… when I play mordhau i see the same 1-3 people every time I play any game mode
Really good breakdown of the important aspects of each game!
Also did not expect to see myself there ahahah 14:46
The animations in mordhau are so much better. I'm shocked by how bad chivalry 2 looks honestly. Every animation is so clunky and unnatural. The way characters slide around like they are on ice. The way the sword manipulation looks so robotic. The way the hits are much less satisfying and there's even a delay when the hit lands. It's night and day
Chivalry combat feels really sluggish, I am not sure if it is the game itself (desync or something else) or even my PC, but Mordhau is a lot more reactive to my inputs, which is why I enjoy it more.
Chiv 2 lets you be more active and reactive with fast-paced action that actually has weight behind it, compared to Mordhau all you need to do is be passive and focus on parries, exploits, and chambering. That's why it feels sluggish to you because you're way too passive and you don't know how to play the game.
@@The-Black-Death Maybe, but right now Mordhau suits my playstyle a lot more.
@@The-Black-Death exploits?
@@saberhap2639 spin to win exploits
@@The-Black-Death not in mordhau
Mordhau without a doubt but it would be better if the Mordhau devs actually kept their word and completely removed the stupid reverse waterfall cucumber 360 maul instakill bullshit. All they needed to do was bugfix those exploits out of the game and it would be perfect.
"A single skilled player can take out several enemies alone just because he's better at the game. A particularly skilled player might be untouchable in the battlefield... instead of artificially reducing this potentially extreme and polarising gap between skill levels, we embrace it and built a game around it."
I think that defines the biggest differences between the games. In Chiv 2 you can't really take on everyone at once, it's built around a lower skill floor. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I prefer the way Mordhau combat works.
Exactly how I feel. I feel crippled in 1vx in chiv 2. Where as in Mordhau I can take entire waves if the skill difference is significant enough
Makes it really unrealistic if one dude is fighting off 12 dudes. Also tactical placement matters in chiv 2
@@TyreII tactical my ass Chiv 2 is as casual as it gets. Its never been about realism, its about skill. That's the whole point of these games.
@@voro8298 it can be casual but 1vX is all about movement and positioning in chiv. Get that active riposte and swing through 7 guys at once, works great as long as you avoid getting your attacks interrupted
@@voro8298 Doesn't bother me if you disagree with Me. The fact of the matter is it matters where you place your body to fight matters which is called tactics. secondly you can't fight 50 dudes so it's at least more realistic than the Mord.
Played both games and i have 180+ hours in Mordhau and 20+ hours in Chiv 2. Yet i say Chiv 2 has a way better and more realistic fighting and physics system, better maps and better community (there are very few people being toxic in the chat). In Mordhau, i love the 1v1 duel system and the horde mode too, but i still prefer Chiv 2 even tho im only level 30 in it right now.
Mordhau's incredibly high skill floor just kills the superior map designs and vast customisation options. I pretty much can't enjoy the game other than playing as an archer... Chivalry 2 had a rough start, but being able to actually play the game as a melee class, and always having some supportive capabilities via class skills are what tips the scales hard for me.
They added newbie servers last update, where rookies get to fight more equal opponents. Maybe you want to give those a go (if you still are in the skill bracket required to play on those).
@@retro2405 I'm level 156 and i still have a skill level of an average level 20 player.
Yeah, footman+spear as a second rank support fighter was still fun and engaging when I started Chiv 2.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 because you chose archer you fool
9:30 well, none of us are sane lmao