E60 M5 SMG Tutorial Review | How To Drive BMW
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2017
- E60 M5 SMG Tutorial Review | How To Drive BMW
Learn how to drive an E60 M5 SMG transmission from BMW We test drive in all different modes and demonstrate the drive dynamics and shift speeds with some POV reviews.
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This is definitely a helpful video to see how the smg works in these m5s. Nobody has a video like this that explains it.
Very informative video. The reason you push forward to downshift is because when your braking the weight transfers forward so it's in the same direction. So for acceleration it's the opposite, pull back. I think it's a great idea
I always thought it was because they’re inspired by a manual transmission. 1st gear is up, 2nd gear is down…
all racing sequential gearbox is pushing forward to downshift, pulling backword to upshift. I'd say bimmer did it right and great.
Thanks for watching and commenting
The natural instinct is to pull gears - and push forward for downshifts. Look at any sequential gearbox race car
no it is not, Think about when you turn corners and shift up and down a gear, it doesn't make sense in the BMW way. Selespeed is better in this sense.
@@evanlaw3596 Dude hes saying this is how the sequential gearbox in race cars works and if you actually watched any racing at all you would know that's true. The way it is in an M5 is the right way.
JP Coppersmith I completely agree with you. Just think about a manual transmission, The higher gears are always pull for ex 1->2. Or 3->4. 👍
Pulling to up shift is the way to do it. Unlike Audi's system where you have to push. I find push to up shift very awkward and just weird.
@@pertzis true
This is an amazing video. I’ve always wanted to see a video where someone explains all the modes! I just subbed!
I like they way you explain things, and thank you for taking your time and putting this video together!
Great video. I have been looking for a video like this for a long time because I plan on buying a E60 M5 in a couple of months. Thanks again.
Beautiful man. Love your videos.
Can’t wait till I get one.
Great work. Cheers.
Awesome info for that E60 M5 M-Power Video
Thanks!! It's a very detailed explanation. My respects!
Awesome vid thanks man
The system is very logical Mark. We Push things down and Pull them Up. Ps. I took my E63 M6 out for a five miles spin in Orlando on Xmas day...what a car!!! Thank you Mark, I look forward to all your E60 M5 videos!
Nice video I love my black e60 m5 and the only thing you never showed everyone is the hyper aggressive unlocked mode - a truely awesome experience!
Thanks Mark, these videos are pretty nice to learn more about this legendary car :-)
Thanks
Thank you, is my first BMW lol and I'm leaning how to drive this one,
I actually like how pushing up down shifts its made this way for a reason because when you get pulled back in the seat your arm moves back too, so if your hand is on the shifter it will move back to up shift. :) good video keep it up👍👍👍
Yeah that's exactly why it's designed like that! Some people just don't get it.
Thanks for your help,
When I first test drove one of these beasts with SMG, I actually thought something was wrong with the transmission, slow and it lurched at the slow setting. Then I studied up on that little button below the shifter. I’m still not a big fan of SMG but once you put some time into learning the car it starts to work better. This is really a car where reading the owners manual pays off.
Exactly. It actually works quite well in the aggressive settings
Nice explanation on how the smg works 😍.
Mark, you are the man! I'm a new owner of a 2006 M5. Your videos are one of the reasons I wasn't afraid to make the purchase. You are such a huge help!
Thanks a lot. Hope you are enjoying the new car. Cheers
@@ECPP You have no problems with that car ?. Very expensive is to own that car or not ?
Knocking on wood but really only had throttle actuator failure.
@@ECPP Something is knocking ?. Do you have problem with it right now or ? and do you recommended to own that car ?. Thank you for answer
Thanx man 👍
I know this was posted 4 years ago but my brother this has explained so much, thank you.
Thank you for watching
Just had my SMG transmission converted to manual on my e46 M3 and it increased the smile factor x1000
THANK YOU BROTHER!!!
Very underated transmission
Yes
Wanted to ask u is it better to remove ur foot off the gas pedal while the car is shifting or just keep ur foot steady and my question is for extending the clutch life
Just curious do you feather the throttle on manual upchanging? Thanks
I like this guy mark he's seems cool he gave me. A really good idea 💰💸🔦
Hello Mark
I would like to hear from you about that style of parking i suggested, did you try it?
Do you have to lift off the gas pedal when you upshift/downshift in manual mode??
When you are standing still in neutral and put it in reverse for example, do you have to stand on brake pedal so the car does not begin to move ?
Hello i have question is it true that when you put the car in fastest shifting speed. will this option make clutch break faster because the garage i fix my bmw m5 e60 told put the smg on slowest to make the clutch and gearbox last longer my question is that true ?
Im sorry for my bad English
i have an e60 m5 2006 70k miles SMG still running strong
5:00 the pull for up/push for down layout of the shifter is the right configuration. This is based on racing cars equipped with sequential gearboxes. While it would seem correct by pushing up to shift up and pull down to shift down, it is counter-intuitive against momentum of the car's motion. BMW is among very few automakers to have the shift layout configured correctly, and it bewilders me how other automakers continue to get it wrong.
I have seen all of your M5 videos and I greatly appreciate you sharing your ownership experience and insight on all things M5.
I was thinkink my 335i auto gearbox its lazy, but this smg its super slow! Hope Xhp flash transminthin will make big upgrade to that box
The gearshift is the correction orientation, forward to gear down and pull back to gear up , acceleration pushes you back into the seat and pushing up to gear up while being pressed into the seat is awkward , tci have been making reverse pattern valve bodies for muscle/drag cars for as long as I can remember.
Fair but for me it is not inttuitive as I have driven cars with the opposite setup. Either way its fine, but I go with the paddles as it makes more sense.. Thanks for watching.
@@ECPP I agree that logic would suggest forward should be up and pull back should be down and it makes sense to the mind and its easier for the mind to associate forward with up and back with down , but in practice it is awkward , from my own experience launching an awd car to 1.53 60 ft and being mashed into the seat shifting from 1st to second on a H pattern gearbox is a challenge and 1st to 2nd is in the pull direction , I've missed 2nd to 3rd a few times, if i was running sequential gearbox and circuit racing which i was planning on doing It would be far more practical to have the g forces in my favor.
All rally cars or dual clutch racecars pull down to up shift its more natural maybe its preferences
J'aime beaucoup la BMW M5 E60 autres vidéos sa fera le buzz
Should I start to feature it again?
did you know that the reason why the manual shift with the stick is down is upshift and up is down shift its because of the fact that in a racing sequential its the same so bmw has always copied this layout thanks for the great vid by the way
Well a lot of cars out there are shifting + an - upside down,so this is not a new thing but should be told, just to know that this system is used on SMG in E60
You remind me of Serj Tankian
No. Bmws the only ones who has the shifting right. Pulling a gear lever towards you should upshift. 1-2 is pulling down. It makes far more sense than pushing farqars
Forward*
In Mazda automatics you also pull for upshifts
did you have some problems whit SMG transmisions?? i am between a smg and a steptronic, i like more smg but i heard the smg easily fails and the cost of repair (a 2003 bwm z4) are soooo expensive in 2018
Hi, yes the SMG is far more complex than a manual transmission with many more functional parts that can be expensive. The SMG is not terribly unreliable but when it breaks there is much more $$$ associated. I personally like the SMG more than a steptronic as the SMG is a manual transmission with only 2 pedals and the clutch is actuated by electrical solenoids and pressure sustems. The manual is always a more engaging experience but the auto is ok where heavy traffic congestion is a concern or lots of city driving can be a concern.
I heard that if you get a bump when parked in gear with SMG it can break the transmission. Hence best to leave it in neutral and use the parking brake unless on a steep incline. Is this so?
I park mine in neutral in case I need to tow it for some reason, because I imagine it would be difficult if not impossible to get it into neutral in case of an electronics failure - although dealing with a stationary car would probably be low on my list of frustrations at that point. Your scenario seems like another good reason. I live in a mostly flat part of town, but in the rare case that I need to park on an incline, I do engage 1st gear to be safe, along with the parking brake.
I must not be seeing this right because even at the fastest shift, it doesn't appear to shift very fast (clutch in to clutch out). If I'm power shifting a normal manual (keeping right foot mashed and stabbing the clutch while shifting) I really can't see the SMG shifting faster. Of course I might miss a shift or 2 ;-D
It moves the hubs from one gear to another in 40 miliseconds and then it takes ages for it to engage the clutch again, that's the problem, and the down shifts are quite agressive with poor rev matching, it feels like someone whos still learning how to rev match.
Haha, fair
Do you have to let off the gas pedal when you shift w the paddles?
i"m curious also. did you ever find out about this?
@@christopherwalton9510 No I did not. I think it’s advisable you let off but I’m not sure. Each car can vary.
My m5 shifts smooth but it does a little clunk when engaging in gears on the upshift even when driving it in normal mode in drive, is that something to be worried about?
I would not be worried as mine does something similar. Drive it and have fun.
Tnx, especially i noticed when it automatically downshifts from 3rd to second its the clunkiest, the car has 87k miles, at 85k the clutch and pilot bearing was replaced, and valve cover gaskets at 70k, also new rotors new brakes and tires, no indication of fluids being changed differential or transmission fluid, im thinking to change them anyways
Also forgot to mention its got a new oil cooler and power steering pump,
Mine did that...then red cog. Did a plcd and all is good. I thought it was the transmission.
Has your SMG failed? And how many times
Elaborate how does differential tighten up.
Michael Price I was wondering too
the only downside of DCT, if I have to say from my experience, is only that it cannot handle motors designed for greater torques. BMW, Audi is exclusive for PDK, DCT sourced from ZF because their engines, unlike mercedes, are highlighted with moderate torques with the greater engine speed in rotation.
since I have decided to keep this F1-bred V10 of my own in 2009 e63 m6 competition pkg, the only regret boils down in the end to the eff-ing gearbox. Obviously, SMG gearbox is bmw's fancy but poor attempt, or a phase transition from the traditional manual gearbox to the fully-fledged dual clutch transmission widely used recently by manufacturers. I am currently digging thus for DCT conversion statewide.
I would like to mention a second way (already written in your other video "How I Park My BMW E60 M5 | Tutorial"
When we want to stop the car and park it, we park the car in gear (manual or D-mode, or Reverse, that is not important), than turning off the engine... and now it comes:
AFTER turning off the engine, engaging the handbrake and pulling out the key, we may leave it in gear, or we may pull the knob back to the N position ... TRY IT.. this way we'll notice, that the knob will not move anymore, because it is locked in that N-position!!!!!! The gearbox has technically NOT changed yet to neutral, it has remained in gear, and will remain there, but has locked/parked in neutral KNOB-position only!
Very few E60M5 friends know that.
So, when we want to take off, we only have to insert the key (you have keyless, so only have to push the start button), and whilst starting the engine.. the gearbox automatically unlocks and changes simultaneously from gear to neutral (because it was in that N-position before), so the engine will start immediately.
Greeeeets and cheeeeers
Greg Antono I leave mine in neutral and pull the hand brake..to keep it from rolling despite the warning beep. thank you.
Sam Tour l That is of course also a way to park the car especially when you know for sure that the hand brake is very strong :)
Do you make the same when you have to park the car on a hill f.e ?
Thanks for tutorial. Going to look at a 2008, didnt want to be fumbling around. How has your m5 held up? I keep hearing horror stories about the transmission. And everyone raves about the motor
They can be big bucks to fix, but I have had some good experiences with mine but I have low miles around 60000 kms or about 35000 miles. I have had a throttle actuator go but otherwise....
I have used auto mode twice,the second time was by accident lol.
Do you take your foot off the gas pedal when shifting??
Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Either will work but for performance I hold it down so it shifts harder and faster. For easy driving I lift.
ExoticCar PlayPlace thanks for your replies I appreciate it. I’ve been watching a lot of your videos. I impulsively bought a 08 E60 M with 90k on it. I’m super paranoid now that it going to have a serious problem. Your videos have helped. It was taken care of and is in great shape. The transmission was serviced at 84k and It’s had a couple other things serviced and good oil changes it looks like. I talked to a mechanic and I think I’m going to get an oil analysis next oil change to see if rod bearings are going bad. I have 2 other cars, I only plan on driving this car on weekends when it’s nice out. Am I being too paranoid?? Thanks for your Time man. Great videos.
Tell your camera man to turn the heated seat off! MPG is bad enough!
What s your trick to cancelling the turn signal with that pain in the arse turn signal, by the way love your interior dawg. Clean clean,clean. Thanks for the tutorial. I started two v10 m5,s neither one was mine one belong to a dealer 2006 ,another belong to a dude who works for the new York City transit. I almost drove it away. If I ever get the opportunity to start a third. I,m driving that bitch. By the way. They were both silver stone metallics. Love the driving position in those cars. It ,s a keeper.
Thanks, they really are an stellar car and there will never be anything like it again. Even Lamborghini is talking turbos in the newer Huracans and electrified Aventador’s. The world is changing
I alway park it in N cos don't wanna put stress on a pump
Do you let off the throttle during shifting? I have found it is much smoother when you let a little during the shifting process then reapply once it is done. It does take practice to get it just right, hopefully this doesn’t cause extra wear. I always run my M6 on the 5th shift setting regardless of being in M mode or default.
I run lowest smg level (1) when I'm cruising but once in M mode I run it in level 6
shadowp80 man I can never use the lowest level. It is like driving a ‘76 Chevy Silverado LOL. I can cruise in the 3rd setting, but even then it throws off my shift smoothness. I can shift in 5th and 6th setting super smooth.
Alias TV did you try driving only S1? I find that D1 can be annoying and interupts your rhythm.
I never put it in the drive/auto mode (have tried it though.) I always do the shifting. S1 is extremely slow though S3 is manageable, but anything less than that feels deathly slow to me. Guess it is all personal preference.
Alias TV l Personally I prefer like you the manual S5 shift mode, always.
Only when I disengage the DSC and want to have fun then the shift modus goes to S6 of course.
Smooth and rapid shifting.. and very well said from you, during the shift process I also let off a little the throttle.
An old friend who owns this car broke his clutch two times in a one month span? Know what the problem could have been because that's what's scaring me about getting this car so far
ExoticCar PlayPlace He doesn't really use the launch control feature by the looks of things and sometimes he would speed up to red lights or stop signs because we live in a suburban neighborhood where there is room to accelerate the car to redline maybe 2 or 3 gears when the streets are empty, only to do a full on stop at a red light and he does that alot and I'm assuming that's not really the proper way to drive an M5 and he only had it done at the dealership too
M mode in automatic ? Does it work
ExoticCar PlayPlace one more question, when do we shift? Do we shift before red line?
its not really awkward, pullking it back shoulld be up shift, same as sync shifters
hey sure thing man, I appreciate your reaction. I drive a 528 from 1996 with the triptronic? I dont know if thats the actual name, that shifts up by pushing it up like you like it. But 'purist' complain, because shifting up should actually be pulling it down, like in rally cars ( sequential trans) . I prefer putting it in D and kicking down :D
Hmm park in reverse? Never thought of that
Should be good to go.
so if u want to shift gears with the pedal, do you have to let go of gas or something? or can u just shift it while pressing the gas pedal on ?
Hi, you can lift the throttle when shifting with the paddle shifters briefly, but I have noticed the best performance happens when you just hold the gas down completely and pull the paddle each time you want to shift. Do not lift the throttle unless driving slowly and easily.
I park in neutral with hand brake
Usually I do too
I wish my car was push down, pull up stick
Year?
Mine is a 2006 but it works for 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010
Not true you need to park in neutral all times brother
Damnn you’re so handsome. 😎
I can't put on R is something wrong with the car
If you can’t put it in reverse then yea. OBVIOUSLY something is wrong.
Get a stick that’s the solution 😂
I disagree I think + down and - up is perfect
nice car ...add weight is moot to as new cars are pigs anyway to much digital crap were not needed 1988 to in or around 1995 with a few new tricks be my car choice i detest newer stuff most of all the dash radio nav system over use of transistors just its overkill and not reliable over time .main resin i ant getting a newer bmw plastic water pump electric weird charging battery system no oil stick well i weld one in if it was just that just silly stuff on a good car..i rather use a stick i think
Thanks for sharing, i agree. Have a great one.
Are you American or Canadian?
You're welcome.
Haha Edmonton is so dead lmao
ExoticCar PlayPlace let me buy your car for 5 grand lol
What a slaver ! 2 min tutorial dragged out to 11 mins good thing though i need patio gas
lol
If it were an actual auto it would be faster
Definitely not as fun though. Thanks for watching.
ExoticCar PlayPlace i guess.
i feel bad that the rest of the world doesnt get the 6 speed manual and only gets the smg
@@marcoxtv6854 yeah man. I'm starting to consider if these paddle things can be fun since finding manuals is so hard now.