How Long Will It Take To Become a Web Developer 2023
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2023
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I've seen way too many people giving up their dreams of making it into tech. In this video I dissect how long it actually takes, and in reality, we don't have it so bad after all. - Наука та технологія
I apologize for the video abruptly ending out of now here. I somehow cut the last 40 seconds of the video :(.
Love the video - there needs to be more realistic videos like this. Coding is the hardest most challenging thing I have ever done!
All good, the main message still got delivered! 🙂👍
i make 140k a year and im 3 years into tech as an engineer. My life has completely changed within the last couple of years and its only going to become more epic. As long as i can control these things which are hardwork faith and persistance.
3 things lol
How did you get started?
@@greglane501 bootcamp
@@y0urSJhow much hour did you learn per day and how long did it take for you, are you full stack of front ?
@@ahmetkotanci i went to bootcamp then after bootcamp spend like 4-5 hours a day learning from udemy and other websites on mastering coding and frameworks. took me a couple months to get decent enough to get a job. but even then not enough had to learn a lot on the job. And yes im a full stack dev.
a year ago I started studying development, eventually I realized it was not mine, I was constantly learning to just stand in one place. There are more interesting areas for work, for self-realization. In my opinion, if learning is hard for you and you are constantly looking for motivation, think twice if you really like it, or you are just running after money. After all, money is earned not only in IT
I will love to work in tech but I have problems in terms of logistics. As we speak I don't even have a good laptop or desktop because I don't have money
Hey Chris, I still remember the day you were just like an entry-level on your journey as a Web Developer 5 years ago when I was still at 11th Grade. I will not forget how your videos encouraged me to pursue in tech as Web Developer. I just recently graduated now on my Bachelor's of IT. I just wanted to say thank you so much for everything you have given in tech community, especially to those who are just wanted to get going in tech.
Thank you Chris for being vulnerable and honest in your videos regarding this topic. I think people need to hear the reality of learning to code and get a job
I love this video man, you are speaking so many facts and people don't realize that most UA-camrs or bootcamps don't say this... they just try to persuade you with a 3 month illusion that will end up messing up your aspirations... And note that I strongly disagree with your last video on bootcamps, but I also understand the reasons behind that video, keep it real please, you know what it is coming from bottom and I hope to keep receiving your real you
Chris!
You look like you’re slimming down and taking good care of yourself. You’re looking much younger and healthy!
Much props to you 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Health is wealth 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Thanks for the love!
Chris is right with this one. I had java and python classes in Highschool but unfortunately never took them serious. I had these classes from freshman year all the way to graduating as a senior. Sometimes I wish I would've took those classes serious , if I did I would've landed a job years ago. Let alone have my skills up there. I'm still studying and have an internship coming up in a few months. But becoming a developer in 1 or 2 years doesn't discourage me at all.
got a job after 7 months, it was worth the hustle
Thank you Chris for having this platform for motivating aspiring devs and also the junior devs already working. Started my journey in tech early this year after dropping out of school due to school fees. Finished React recently and now on a three-month internship as a web dev in a software company, after which I'll go back to school and wind up my Actuarial Science degree in September. I'm only planning to start applying for junior dev roles early next year when I believe I'll be confident enough with my skillset, having solid projects on my portfolio, and also an optimized LinkedIn profile. Right now I'm serving the company and engaging the developer's here who are helping me sharpen my craft. I believe that I will be there some day, just being patience with myself and embracing self-discipline and consistency in my entire tech journey.
This is the video I needed. You are my mentor for sure and will always be
Dang!! I really needed this, I never thought for a second that I needed to quit but I have been slacking the last few months and I haven’t been coding. I plan on jumping right back in. I know it’s going to be a hard road, if it was not then everyone would be a developer. Excited for the journey.
Same here man,but truly it isn't easy...
@@victorisaac5786 Not at all. JavaScript is ridiculous. Building on your own from scratch with it, even more so.
u will relapse but stay strong
@@togfanatic3781 yea man, i started to do the Odin project we will see where this takes me
I started learning web development in November 2021 took me a year and half to get a internship as a self-taught developer.
Thank you for a more realistic answer to this question. You seem extremely mature. This video has helped me kind of sort out in my mind the reality of what studying to be ANY kind of developer is like. Yeah, cool...thank you.
Thank you for being honest and telling the truth
What a humbling video. Thank you bro
Just bought a laptop and about to start working on my web development skills! Starting June 28, 2023 and leaving this comment for me to look back on 😃
Good luck! 🍀
hows it going
How are you buddy
There are many skills it takes to get Jobs above 50k. Skillset Education Communication Mindset all play a factor in the individual. I was working in IT already, I started school in Front End Web Dev Major and applied for a Job for a Backend PHP developer. I admit I was not the wizard of oz of development. I did interview well and being able to articulate my skillsets and the ability to figure out a problem when it arises made the difference. Communication could be the number 1 skill a individual needs in their toolbox.
Thank you Chris I just started learning how to code, your videos help a lot because now I know what to expect one's I am ready to work as a developer. God bless!
Everyone needs to understand that it takes grit and patience to make real good money. Coding is a skill, a hard skill that you have to really study hard daily to attain, the longer you take breaks the more your short term memory will not retain the information and you will need to start over. This has happened to me many times in my life if I am being honest. Stick with it everyday for a couple of years and then you will see a huge difference in where you started and where you are now, even if you do not land a job yet its okay. It may take 4 years, that still is not bad considering the average college degree for a working adult may take almost 7 years to get while working fulltime and going to school part time. This is the truth and its a hard pill to swallow but not impossible just hard, very hard to do. You may find that coding is not for you there are other fields as Chris mentioned in the video that pay really well but again its all hard work nothing is easy that pays well you have to work your butt off to get these salaries. I have been in IT 13 years and I still have not broke the 100K salary but I dont let that keep me down because I know that if I keep learning that I will more than likely hit and go over that mark eventually. You can do it just hang in there and show up everyday that is the key. Show up and study everyday.
this was super discouraging. you’ve been at it for 13 years and don’t have a 6 figure salary to show for? in IT??? wow
Thank you Chris!
Love your content Chris, you got my subscription for sure.
I would love to know what you think about blockchain dev. I never thought of getting into tech but since 2017 I've been upset by crypto. So here I am learning coding to go deeper in the blockchain.
I give myself a minimum of 1 year to land a job, I moved to South America just to save money and work less so have more time to learn coding.
So I begin with Zero to Mastery training from JS to Solidity.
Do you have any recommendations on where to go to learn from the best especially in blockchain technology if you do have knowledge about it?
Thanks for your content man I love it.
Started on html, now am on CSS. I know it might take me time but i know i'll make it.
This is demoralizing as I'm still practicing HTML+CSS. EDIT: Learning Javascript now. 😁.
You will get there. Don't be in a hurry to secure a job that you may not keep for long due to limited knowledge. As a full-stack developer myself, I am currently searching for a job, but that doesn't mean I have stopped learning. In the meantime, I am working on side projects and analyzing various job opportunities to apply for. Keep persevering and remember that continuous learning is key to long-term success.
It doesnt get any easier lol. React is kicking my ass atm. But as long as you keep moving forward itll all work out homie. We're all gonna make it
keep pushing bro. i was just learning html and css a year ago and now i know so much more! just take it day by day and try to get 1% better daily and you will make it. consistency is key bro!
Started the process man😊 I learned patience is the key, but hard to accept the reality sometimes. I just wanted to learn everything in one day and the next day I am a web developer....🤦♀️🤦♀️Good luck bro 🤝✌️
Not gonna lie I was demotivated as hell this comment thread made me motivated af.
A great video! Thanks
Bro you are great, love you
7:58 Facts!!!! Finally a real down to earth answer not catered to getting more views. When I first started to learn how to code I was discouraged after 4 months because according to all of the "get a 300k a year coding job in 6 months!" videos I was way behind. I'm past that point now thinking more realistically and am practicing and going to continue to put in work so I can have an at least comfortable life in the future
i did an exercise 4 months ago and yesterday i redid it, and i was shocked by the improvement... both work, but 4 months later i better know how things work. what over 2 years.. or 5 years. im going for it :)
i see software engineering (game development in particular) in a similar way that i see advertising (a field i am adjacent to so know plenty of them): if you have the skill you can start really fast and get paid a lot really fast, but the culture of the industry is all fast-paced, Go-Go-Go, and crunch. you get hired young, pushed hard, and then spat-out (burnt out and with no career-path because fresh-blood is prioritized) still relatively young. hopefully you made enough money "in your prime" because that's when you'll be making most of your money
I got my first job at 36. Working now for awesome company with people younger 10-15 years than me with more experience XD
I am leading a big corporate website project now. The industry is difficult - let's be honest - only handful of people can get into it now - especially getting from different industry.
Looking slimmer! Good job, thanks for the video.
Ty 🙏
I think it all depends how smart you are and how much time you put into it the most important part is to keep going you will get there. My gf took 1 month to learn python took me 3 months we study the same time and the same schedule it all depends how smart you are at the end of the day
I have learned Fullstack for an year in which I was taught JS,REACT,PYTHON,DJANGO,MONGODB, .. Its been 1.7yrs I am still struggling with JS and refering AI while solving problems. I know it will take time. I am completely from Non-Tech background with over 10yrs exp in Non-IT field.
People should just know that when job hunting, AI will filter you out if you dont have x years of experience in your resume. So your top quality portfolio projects will never be seen by any humans. Just make sure you're ready for most types of scenarios and trick questions so your faked x years of experience can feel and seem real. And yes you should write you have like 2 years of experience at this and that company or just say its all freelancing experience even if you dont, because you're dealing with AI not a human. So you have to outsmart their resume busting ai.
No. Do not lie on your resume.
@@chrisseantalks thats really the only way to get interviews and a job for most people. honesty wont event get you a chance. If you can back up your lies and bluffs with skills then go for it.
fake it till you make it
I am going to get a developer job after self learning for three years while being employed full time in a non technical role. I taught myself Vue/Nuxt and was ready to accept to relearn to Angular or React because of the market demands. But I finally, found an employer where I can stick to my current tech stack and I will definitely accept their offer.
I love JavaScript so much. I don't care, that it's so much harder to get into that field than 10 years ago because of everything you need to learn additionally, like server, dev-ops, testing and CI. I just want to do it for the rest of my life. Nobody is going to stop me from that. Even in Germany, where web development is not nearly as high paying like in the US.
Yo, also from germany here. Which resources did you use to learn by yourself?
@@tafa8369 I started with Udemy courses and added little tutorials on UA-cam here and there. tbh, I never finished a course I bought. As soon as I got comfortable enough and too bored of a course, I would jump into building own projects. It's overwhelming at first, but your own projects are the best teachers to make the first step becoming a true developer.
I also tried freecodecamp and the Odin Project. But I couldn't stick to them as soon as I started working on own projects. Alongside I did algorithms on Edabit and did those fun CSS games like CSS Grid Attack.
What is your journey?
I plan on starting the CS route this next school year
I’m about 5 months in, and I understand html, css, most JavaScript and learning node rn… have noticed a lot gate keeping as well from other devs… they pretend that they don’t use google at work… sometimes is not the hard skill that gets you the job, is the connections…
who pretend? loool - only idiots can state this. I got into the industry at 36, after 2 years of self-taught and few commercial projects for real companies. Now - another two years from that I am working for an awesome company making great money - fully remotely. I think you are on right track. I think it took me 3-4 months to go throught HTML, CSS and JS (basics). Currently I am helping a guy. It took him over one year to learn that. If I can advice you - don't rush with JS too much. I made this mistake and rushed to React before really mastering the solid foundations of JS.
@@HCforLife1 please do you have any advice on freelancing? Real freeeslancing and not the upwork or fiveer thing. Cause I can see you said you did some real commercial projects for real companies. Please explain better if you don't mind
How many hours or days should I finish a course with comprehensive and well understanding it? FEDEV
Dude, I am on disability right now. I make less than 10 k a year. If I could just get a tech job starting at 30k I would think I am rich as hell. Making 50k and above is not even comprehendible to me. I so wish I took school serious, I so agree that is one of my biggest regrets.
you need to think bigger bro .. all depends on where you live but you can have as much money as you want. you just got to put in the work and be disciplined and consistent enough to go after your dreams.
Thank you for this
Chris, you know most times I always wish I could get to see you one on one to bow to your feet just to be grateful for being sincere. I'm always motivated when I watch you talk. You're my MENTOR big time Chris😊. Can I ever see you
I just got an Associates in Software Dev and I am looking for just a remote job and willing to take 40,000 a year to start- idc where I start - I just want to start and it’s been hard trying to figure out which companies are actually looking at my resume…. I just keep applying! I know some people get “lucky” and land a career right away but a lot of people also have friends or relatives in the tech industry and that also sets an advantage. I do not lol😂
Watch Leon Noel, he has videos teaching new comers how to job hunt
Thank you bro! This is great advice.
its fcking hard but its worth it! Thanks for the motivation!!
That "you should have done better in highschool" hit my like a goddamn truck oof. Hes right though
@Chris Sean Talks what cooking languages you now are learned?
What are your thoughts on coursera? is it worth it?
1 to 2 years to get a first job? Nah man thats way too long. For someone that really networks hard and actually has a good portfolio it shouldn't take more than 6 to 9 months at most.
The biggest difference maker is how well a person networks.
Even if it's a job only making like 50k that's still super valuable experience.
6-9 months! Hmmm! Including learning all the required languages and relevant skills(html, css, Javascript, Java, springboot, PostgreSQL) and then build a portfolio? All within that time frame
Are you saying it will take a year or two AFTER have learning the basics of HTML, CSS, JS, REACT or is the learning process included in that time frame ? Appreciate these videos too man
From the moment you start learning how to code
I’ve been at it for 5months now and I can say it’s a strenuous journey. The first 2 month was pure excitement. The 3rd month was the “ I’m I got for this” moment. The 4th month was about how bad I wanted to be a SWE and after that you just realize that you have to completely immerse yourself in the process.
I gave myself 9 months to get it done
Are you frontend ?
Thank You
This Bootcamp was actually free! The deal was that the school took a portion 40% of my paycheck from the company that they placed me with. I doubt that a program like this is available today.
True ! Everyone telling you you will be a developer in 3-6 months is selling you a dream. Don't fall for it.
I dare to tell 1 year is a dream. In current market - 2 years if you are lucky. Requirements for dev now are almost double comparing to what it was w years ago.
I have done little in HTML and CSS but where I am having it difficult is the JavaScript
Javascript is an actual programing language so you have to to grasp the use case differently then html and Css
this sh*t is hard, no joke
I want to get land this year. Badly.
With ChatGPT, there will be help for those newbies. May not be the most efficient coding, but if used correctly, they can leverage the tool.
I wish chatgpt existed when I was a jr dev
I am not kind of person that gives up, but I need understanding of how software developers make money, who is paying and who is buying and where is the money coming from e.g i have been using the same apps on my phone since last year and they are free to use apps
I really need some to tell what I don't know , I have learnt html,CSS and JavaScript already and I have built projects with it ??
I need help pls
It depends. Social media companies sell data and make other products. Some companies are living on borrowed time and venture capital.
What's the resource he says is legit at 3:54? Something-master?
It depends. It took me 1 year to get the hang of it.
I dont need $200,000.00 I enjoy coding and this is way better than what I had before.
But why do so many of you hunt that 60-70-250k $ a year!? And you want it like in 6 months or in one year. I do it differently my friend who works for Siemens in Germany also has an IT company and he asked me why I don't learn web development he can give me a job I need only 3-6 months and I had asked him can I do something for like 500/1000€ a month and he said yes, than on one online gaming server I meet other guy who is server software engineer and I talked with him about the same thema and he said I quote " yes you can earn so much money if your learn constantly three months but you must stop playing online games". After that I am learning web development. So don't hunt big starts, take it slow and easy!!
I can't help but feel ZTM have bought out so many content creators lately - their platform is constantly being name dropped left right and center... Or is it just really that good?
This is the first time I’ve mentioned them this year.
@@chrisseantalks I meant in general... I'm just saying all the webdev content creators I've been watching lately have all brought up ZTM. I tried their C# course and wasn't overly impressed tbh 🤷♂️
They are good for the basics. Do not trust the name of the company or the courses, it is all just marketing. For example the course titled "junior to senior" gets you no where near mid level.
I think those DDS and Law salaries were stated low end. I know lawyers and DDS not employed by the top notch making 200k
great video but ur video cuts off abruptly
OMG
Great point but ...Imagine becoming a family attorney a heart doctor or a cosmetic dentist ...after putting in all the years of school and learning and finally getting a job and getting your career going ...and then after 4 to 5 years the type of career that you're practicing COMPLETELY changes ...and the technology changes ...and family law or cosmetic dentistry or cardiology has now become obsolete!
THAT'S THE CAREER OF A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER!
bullcrap. The AR will come in 1-2 years. Boomers were saying that this won't adapt. In my opinion in 5 years from now AR will be what are social media now. And it will demand a ton of technical people. Everyone is forgetting that AI may hit the wall. The LLM models might peak their limits at some point and still the best solution for the upcoming decade will be to hire a knowledgable professional who uses AI than use AI alone. On the other hand - next year or two will be a shortage of junior dev job offers. This means - a great opportunity for people starting now. BUT! Go for this only if you really enjoy it. We don't know what the future might bring and you also might be right that the future will be dark. For people chasing money trade is a better option.
Agreed. It's also easier to get a job once you get a medical degree or law degree. In tech, you don't even need a degree, which makes it attractive to a lot more people, and thus, a lot more competitive. Whereas with medicine and law, not many people have those degrees, which makes it way easier to get a job. When you have a computer science degree, it guarantees you nothing since any self-taught developer can take the job from you. A self-taught doctor or lawyer can't get a job on the other hand.
bro what happened video was cut short 😂
Almost nothing is as easy as it’s marketed to be.
Anything worth fighting for is never easy.
Coding only is hard because the IT world is full of terrible teachers. The entire industry completly suck at making the industry accessible. They mostly want you to have a computer science degree.
Wish they taught & encouraged tech when i was in school instead of being ostracized
but chris your now a dataengineer and your telling people to become webdevs?? so why dont you tell people to become data engineers??
they all pay the same now. I’m not a data engineer. I work as a DevRel in the Data Engineering space, so I had to learn data engineering to succeed in the space.
2 to 3 years at least learning from scratch .
I think the 3-6 months to get a job is totally misleading. It takes 5 years minimum to really become a developer of value. Even if someone is lucky enough to obtain a job in a short amount of time. They are still not truly a dev.
5 years is misleading lol.
@@chrisseantalks even more than that huh?
@@cjsport1254 if it takes you five years, give up.
I'm not saying this to be rude, but I assume you have no professional experience yet.
The reason I say this is because I learned more in one month (my first month on the job) than what I learned trying to teach myself how to code.
@@chrisseantalks depends on what you define as a developer of value. I think from starting learning to being a solid mid-developer it will take you 5 years. In this context he is right. TBH - today's market is really difficult. Most people will need 2+ years of learning skills to get a job. I see now that in Europe the number of Junior dev offers dropped about 60-80% comparing to past year (of course depending on country). On the other hand - 1-2 years from now we can expect a huge demand for programming. AI and AR will storm the markets. Companies will lack professionals for sure - so this is a chance for persistent people.
@@chrisseantalks I disagree. If someone wants to leverage the skill of web development and it takes them 5 years because I’m gonna be honest, no one is a truly competent developer within 1 year. There is just too much to be good at. From experience it took me time to find my own niche even on top of that become competent at it all while working full time.
bootcamps and youtubers have over promised. the field is too saturated.
People have been saying this ever since I joined tech seven years ago. Continue believing that and you'll never make it into tech.
@@chrisseantalksBut that was 7 years ago. At that point in time, there was a boom in tech jobs. At that time, some people were able to get a job by just knowing HTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. However, 2022 and 2023 have been the worst years to get tech jobs. There is a tech recession, and there are way too many candidates. You can know HTML, CSS, JavaScript, jQuery, React, Node, MongoDB, MySQL, Angular and PHP and still not get an entry-level job. Doesn't that sound ridiculous to you? Have you even seen how many people apply for entry-level tech jobs and internships. There are 400+ candidates applying to these positions. How are you supposed to beat 400+ people to get your first job? How is that not too saturated?
why is he look like he's gone cry
Pls I know hump and css. Pls someone should put me through
Yes
Totally different advice from what you gave when you first started the channel years ago; crazy how the industry has become saturated.
Saturated? You mean hundreds of thousands of tech layoffs? Lol
@@chrisseantalks More so in the sense of everyone and their mother is trying to become a developer now. Not trying to dismiss the layoffs.
@@chrisseantalks also Chris I’m just saying, the industry has changed so those old Treehouse vids you made don’t really apply anymore, not trying to insult you dude
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TWO YEARS? Chris, I don't have TWO YEARS. I thought your videos are suppose to help us get a job!~?! unsubscribed
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There's always fast food.