The unknown side of research and development

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  • Опубліковано 16 сер 2018
  • This video is unscripted and very minimally edited. It was shot "off the cuff" to give you an idea of what goes on at VAS. You will notice it is kind of like opening up a bunch of Christmas presents.
    Please let me know what you think I should do with the 1.3GHz Airscrew antenna.
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  • @timeanspace
    @timeanspace 5 років тому +33

    Don't open source, you are worth much, much more than that as an individual and business. Maybe once someone creates an alternative, then consider releasing.

    • @audiogek
      @audiogek 5 років тому +2

      My thought also, I want to add I like the real unscripted videos more.

  • @1Esteband
    @1Esteband 5 років тому +8

    For me this was an eye opener of how much you put into this.
    No matter how you see it you are catering a tiny niche market. For the money, time and energy you invest you might as well keep it closed source, find manufacturers in China, flood the market and then create a new design that cannibalize the old one and keep the cycle going.

  • @MrPinkyRingy
    @MrPinkyRingy 5 років тому

    Alex, after watching and rewarching all your videos from VAS I built a 1.3ghz station with your pepperbox and I could NOT BE HAPPIER! Thanks for all your hard work. I’ll be supporting you in the future. Keep it closed! Quality over quantity my friend.

  • @DoubleA_AMAfpv
    @DoubleA_AMAfpv 5 років тому +2

    You are a walking wealth of information, Alex! So for me, I really enjoy this kind of video from you.
    I would like to think that most of us out in the community would love to see you succeed. You have been bringing some great innovations to the table and you deserve to be recognized as such!😀

  • @1randyharbin
    @1randyharbin 5 років тому

    I love this format, very open and honest, will always watch everyone you do. Every antenna in my 5.8 FPV feed is yours except I still run my spironet patch, nothing gives me the performance of my Mad Mushroom and Triumphs. Make your magic and keep your secrets, I will continue to buy from the actual inventors like you!

  • @mcclarinscott
    @mcclarinscott 5 років тому

    The Vid Title made me Sub! I am going to buy VAS antennas in the near future just to give a little support for what you do!

  • @flightlieutenant6902
    @flightlieutenant6902 5 років тому

    You're great mate . We admire your work and significant contribution to FPV hobbies .Cheers from Australia

  • @ktmjay9920
    @ktmjay9920 5 років тому +4

    Love the real deal u. Keep doing what you do and being awesome and creative. Without people like you and others this hobby will be short lived. True innovator in the hobby. Keep your research and development to yourself. Let it vanish.

  • @michaelturner5502
    @michaelturner5502 5 років тому +1

    IB Crazy! Dude I've been buying your antennas for years. I wouldn't open source that 1.3ghz. Keep it for another day to bring out. I would hate to know you went open source on that project and it ruined your business. "Keep making em, and I'll keep em flying"! Off script videos are cool sometimes, let's everyone know your only human, and showing us some of what it takes to make those outstanding Antennas helps me appreciate them a little more. I have just about everything you put out on the market in 5.8ghz love your product. Keep it coming!!! Thank you for your contributions to this hobby.

  • @racoiaws2010
    @racoiaws2010 5 років тому

    Awesome, love this format of videos :):):)

  • @chrisgicky2215
    @chrisgicky2215 4 роки тому

    After watching all this, I have absolutely no issue with paying triple the price for your products. You are a man obsessed and I love you for it :)

  • @David__
    @David__ 5 років тому +1

    Always have enjoyed your work Alex... Your crazy passion for the hobby is inspirational!
    Ever since owning my first BlackOut frame, I always go the extra mile to look out to support those who continue to push the boundaries of design & function to advance our hobby further.
    I hope you are able to recycle some of those failed projects & maybe even get a few dollars back?
    Please let us know if there is more we can do to help :)

  • @sallam88
    @sallam88 5 років тому

    I'm always happy to spend money on VAS products because I know how much you are dedicated on what you are doing .

  • @racoiaws2010
    @racoiaws2010 5 років тому

    Thank you for what you do

  • @zeldalina1762
    @zeldalina1762 5 років тому +1

    always enjoy your vids!

  • @lancusfpv8580
    @lancusfpv8580 5 років тому

    You are spending a lot of time for developing something to the hobby. I really appreciate this honestly!!! I personally did not know that you developed the cover leaf antenna that surprises me. And the fact that how many $ you spent for developing... Amazing. There is a point where you need to decide to give something back to the peoples but it should not mean it should be free or opensource and you are already gave a lot of things... Keep the license and create a quality product not like any chinese companies and the peoples will decide to buy your products if they understand the benefits of your research and way how well products are made. I also like the way how you present your researches how to proof. Keep up the good work!

  • @waynegriswold8953
    @waynegriswold8953 5 років тому +12

    Keep it closed source!!! Because all the prototypes the people that would benefit from have not invested in. Meaning that expensive pile of junk that you showed us today is your sacrifice to find what works. Your competitors would just get a free gift and like you said are trying to put you out of business. On an other note for this post, I think you being able to make your own circuit board and to make your own prototypes would be beneficial even if you have to hire someone who knows how to do it. You would be able to get what you need almost instantly and wouldn't have to order 100 of them you could just make one at a time until you get the perfect Design that you are looking for. Good luck buddy also don't look at all that stuff as failure, it's a learning curve because you wouldn't be where you are at today with out learning. Real world lessons I get the most out of. You are one of the best companies for this hobby keep up the amazing workmanship and products. Happy landings from Tucson

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      I agree that I probably could use a little help. All the PCBs I design in AutoCAD and then import them into a circuit board program (DipTrace). The issue with the PCBs is that there is loss incurred due to the material used. Thus, it really is a guessing game to find what works. A computer is a wonderful tool to generate a hypothesis, but once you step out into the real World... well... nothing works like you expect... I wish I could say I was getting better at it, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

    • @waynegriswold8953
      @waynegriswold8953 5 років тому

      From the looks of thing you know how to move to the next revisions! Lol all jokes aside at my local electronic hobby store they have like foot by foot or 2square blank circuit board that you can make your own circuit board. You get a blank board cover what you want acid wash the rest off and seal it. There more to it but that's the basic concept I have only just recently found them so I have yet to do the my home work it but if some how you can make your own prototypes it would save $ and probably time since your not waiting on Shipping. Just goggle " how to print my own circuit board " and it doesn't seem to complicated and there are how to's . I don't mean to belittle you or come off as a jackass if i am i hope not. I just hope you and your company stay on top making amazing products forever. I have saved so much money since my friend gave me his dura spec antenna, nothing I have tried in my opinion produces better results on my goggles. Much love God bless from tucson

  • @HomeGrownCanadianFPV
    @HomeGrownCanadianFPV 5 років тому

    fan for life here... not sure you should give away your hard work... your time and money worth so much... even if someone copies your products I know where I spend and will be spending my money... thanks for making this hobby soooo much better

  • @chriscrashfpv
    @chriscrashfpv 5 років тому

    really moving seeing a glimpse of the effort you put into your work. please don't open source. if it takes a company such as your own to go belly up for people to realize just where purchasing clones is taking the hobby, it will be too late. I appreciate all you do for the fpv community and will continue to stand by your products Alex.
    Stay aloft and stay crazy!!!

  • @Dav2112
    @Dav2112 5 років тому +3

    That’s crazy, Alex, true dedication to your work right here, love your antennas mate, the Crosshair Extreme and Ion on my goggles gives me super clean video, normally I run 200mw but after flashing new firmware to a couple of my quads the VTX output got knocked down to 25mw (must be something to do with me having Smart Audio hooked up) and I was flying the same spots I usually do without even noticing I was on 25mw!

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      I am glad it is working for you! Hopefully the new prototype boards will work out for a commercial product... I hope.

  • @andrewnelson7627
    @andrewnelson7627 4 роки тому

    There is no reason to give away your hard work. For the diy guys you could do a how to video on how to make a simple antenna or share knowledge on how to build. Awesome video man

  • @scottmarshall6766
    @scottmarshall6766 5 років тому

    I like your format. I was in a related business years ago, and have marketed several boards since (CNC laser stuff), It's surprising how similar your operation looks/functions.
    Finish the 1.3 Airscrew and make some money when the time is right. Don't give your time and talent away.

  • @Brazonthefly
    @Brazonthefly 5 років тому

    Im coming from the mini quad scene and have started to dabble in the long range scene, you're a generous bloke and I think you have already given enough to the 5G8 FPV community. I have gained more of an appreciation for what you open sourced back in 2012 now (crosshair) that I am trying to fly 2G4 for distance. I want to eventually go to 1G3 and to be honest I wouldn't settle for a cheap Chinese clone if Im sending a wing 10's of kilometres out. keep it in house and those of us that want perfection will pay for it.

  • @dingleberry1980
    @dingleberry1980 4 роки тому

    I think your an awesome person for showing us the behind the scenes of your work RnD
    There is a lot of people that don’t know how much hard work and money you put in! This let’s us know who to support! Companies like yours!... I have 7 of your antenna’s because I believe in all the hard work you do!...
    Don’t open source if it means bad news for your company we will support you as long as you are honest with the public like you have been and these videos also help get more support!...
    I think you should have one person go thru all the boards and other new parts that did not work for your application and re-sell them on eBay and Amazon get some of your money back and put into another project!
    I’m 100% sure there’s people out there that can use and will buy those parts!...
    Keep up the awesome work you guys are doing over there!

  • @AggieRC
    @AggieRC 4 роки тому

    I haven't the knowledge of the 1.3ghz stuff to comment there, but this video was enough to let me know I need your antennas in my life for xfire long range :)

  • @Airguardian
    @Airguardian 5 років тому

    Awesome work :)

  • @jackdaniels7913
    @jackdaniels7913 5 років тому

    You will never be over done no matter the competition open sours is grate for us but time and money is not free but it also doesn't push innovation all in all it's a hard call but you will always be my go to for a top notch no bs antennas
    Ps. I like this off the cuff video style you look better and more free to be you not a scrip... just me saying lol your doing grate and amazing things every day and I along with so many others will stand behind you and your top notch originals no matter the price!

  • @maddmackx3381
    @maddmackx3381 5 років тому

    I love open source....but please keep your hardwork close sourced Alex and keep yourself in the industry!!

  • @thefpvyawthority8106
    @thefpvyawthority8106 5 років тому +1

    U are such a gent and a scholar
    Keep up the yawd work

  • @GeorgeCee
    @GeorgeCee 4 роки тому

    Amazing video. I use VAS on all of my Quads and Goggles. I'll never switch. As Always, Keep Em Flyin. :)

  • @WillyFPV
    @WillyFPV 3 роки тому

    i had no idea what takes to make antennas. i enjoyed watchng i learned a lot thanks Alex.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  3 роки тому +1

      Many projects (not just antennas) are like this. In fact, several large businesses have a 10% success rate with new projects. My success rate is closer to 40% which includes marketing failures as well as engineering failures, so I guess I should feel good about it. This is just the nature of human development. Most people are simply unaware.

    • @WillyFPV
      @WillyFPV 3 роки тому

      @@CAGreve1231 thanks Alex G .for all you do.. Btw is there some way I could get a V.A.S. t-shirt?
      I searched RMRC but did not see. them

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  3 роки тому +1

      @@WillyFPV - I haven't made VAS T-shirts in 3 years. I need to have more made. Mine are all either stained by oil or solder paste... which is why I cannot have nice clothes...

    • @WillyFPV
      @WillyFPV 3 роки тому

      @@CAGreve1231 hahaha.
      That' funny you must really get in there... Well I would proudly wear one
      You're pepperbox antenna 1.3 gig is just amazing! . I just finished using it tonight with my Traxxas Summit

  • @qbaxcpu
    @qbaxcpu 5 років тому +1

    man, i’m buying only Yours products ,big fan , never have a single problem with Your designs. hope everyone doing the same! f... clones! Your hard work is priceless!!

  • @paulkar1
    @paulkar1 5 років тому

    Don’t open source Alex...very few people follow their passions in life...the work you do is amazing...thanks for the help over the years.

  • @BlackWolf42-
    @BlackWolf42- 5 років тому +1

    Alex, could you perhaps take a failed project such as the 1.3GHz pentas, and try to explain it. Some theory of operation would rock! Maybe a DC to daylight talks related to antenna design too. The purpose would be to either bore to death or spur eager interest in some younger folk.

  • @owencroney2089
    @owencroney2089 5 років тому

    Bro you do so much work and the community benifits greatly from it. You deserve to atleast recouperate your cost and make a respectable profit. Open source is cool, but your one of the best researcher in this field and if your out of business, who else has the enthusiasm and determination to push this tech. I feel intially, open source would open the market with loads of cheap and decent antenna which is great for me right now but what would drive any company to do the R&D if they are making healthy profits with minimal effort selling your inventions.

  • @TobermoryCat
    @TobermoryCat 5 років тому +3

    Really enjoying your Ion - works a treat. Sometimes I wonder if the only way to compete with the clones is to work with a producer in China who can produce and sell the item under your trade name at the same price that the cloners can. I bet people would choose the genuine branded item over the similarly priced clone. You benefit from being first to market and cheaper production costs due to scale of sales. Doing that would mean they risk not being able to sell their clones. Tough game.

  • @sm1thers
    @sm1thers 5 років тому

    Nice video showing that side, I'm an electronic engineer so know the background of what goes into things, and time and again see people in the community having no grasp of that, so well done on the video.
    I like the unscripted IBcrazy vids, they end up a bit too long for my liking, but they are interesting so I eventually get around to watching them.
    As for open sourcing, open sourcing is awsome for bedroom inventors, and for professionals who work on home projects when they get home. It can work as a business too adafruit being a good example. But if you do all the hard work then just throw it out for people to make then I dont think that would be a good business move. If you want to do something open source maybe get the community involved on the design input too, whilst the average FPVer might not have much to add there are some others out there with ideas (eg when the pagoda was born) maybe their ideas with your experience could lead to something.

  • @toypilot9811
    @toypilot9811 5 років тому

    Keep up the good work. Really looking forward to a smaller 1.3 antenna with a wider frequency range. TrueRC singularity is okay but way too narrow.

  • @ruftime
    @ruftime 5 років тому

    Always protect your R&D!
    I think open source projects are great, if they start open source. The perceived value of many heads contributing. Your doing all the heavy lifting. Let’s be honest, cloners are stealing knowledge/time.
    Alex, I don’t have the same expectations of your edits....you deliver technical information that no amount of rendering can compete with:-)

  • @weazlefpv5514
    @weazlefpv5514 5 років тому

    I only use vas !!! keep up the good work!!!!

  • @pablosiga6082
    @pablosiga6082 5 років тому

    Hola Alex.
    I am about 5 years in this hobby learning from the bottom flying fpv. Since i learned in your fpv series, the antennas are the most important part of the equipment because they are the only link with the precius fpv plane.
    I had at least 12 antennas ( and one plane spectre) from VAS in 5.8 and 1.3 and their worth every peso i spent.
    Please dont open source the antennas , because your work has the highest quality i have used. It will be copied and selled with bad quality.
    Cheers from.Chile.

  • @derrogers
    @derrogers 5 років тому +4

    opensource older products, keep the new stuff for yourself. maybe sell "diy kits" for people as an alternative to buying cheap clones . look at prusa development & lulzbot, hasnt hurt them to opensource their stuff.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому +6

      Kits sounds like a great idea! Thanks!

    • @mistercohaagen
      @mistercohaagen 5 років тому +1

      +1 for Kits! Solves a QC-cost problem as well.

  • @mikestevens3570
    @mikestevens3570 5 років тому +4

    Hell no!!! Don’t open source!!! We will gladly wait for your expertise!

  • @j.finesseflights1403
    @j.finesseflights1403 4 роки тому

    Have you thought about working with a Chin drone manufacturer. I believe Bob Roogi does something like this?

  • @zestafpv427
    @zestafpv427 5 років тому +10

    Do not open source it you deserve every bit of credit and we need more made in America products I’m tired of 💩 products if it work buy your stuff cause you are putting your blood sweat and tears in it and obviously give it 110% 📡 it isn’t easy what you do an all the knowledge you know

  • @smokinjoe1256
    @smokinjoe1256 5 років тому

    cardboard and a flamethrower on the desk means U R crazy. please keep on doing those scientific videos...really very interesting. I would sell the failures as a ''functional antenna'' to Chinese traders. because they work at least a bit and they aren't able to test it. equalize. if they copy the nonfunctional antennas....they would
    get what they deserve^^

  • @iitra
    @iitra 4 роки тому

    Like this video more then the others
    Don’t release the 1.3G antenna cause I’d rather buy your gear and know it’s going to work then buying same else’s and the dam think is crap and doesn’t work
    Every time I’ve brought one of your antennas and I have 11 of your different types they just work and work very well thank you

  • @smackfpv
    @smackfpv 5 років тому

    I really enjoyed this look at the "inner workings". Don't open source it Alex.

  • @Stormin13
    @Stormin13 5 років тому

    I like this format - keep the airscrew closed maybe sell as a kit - use proceeds for R&D

  • @nlondey
    @nlondey 5 років тому

    Could you do something like a kick starter where you work out how much you need to raise to recuperate your development cost and if the community feels it is worth enough to fund it you release it as open source? You could also have tiers with kits and pre-built antennas.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      Kickstarter wants too much money so I'm just taking on the risk myself and hoping it will pay off. If I am being honest, the only reason I considered open sourcing is to advertise my name. There are very few DIYers out there. Those that want to build this antenna can just Email me and I will send them the parts free of charge. I have enough for 90 more...

  • @owencroney2089
    @owencroney2089 5 років тому

    Hey I just had a thought......would it be possible to create a drone frame that is itself an anntenna?

  • @JoshWithrow
    @JoshWithrow 5 років тому

    I like the iBcrazy mix; some well produced videos, some more candid like this. Do not open source that project because you're worth too much.

  • @bryanfpv
    @bryanfpv 5 років тому +1

    What are you trying to do Alex? You have the best antennas already. Your prices are excellent and your quality is unmatched. Just relax and cash-in. Your crosshair on goggles and dipole on quad is all i need and i get perfect image. If i want range ill put a triumph on quad. Pilots dont go 10km everyday unless they're special. Don't spend money on open source. Spend money on new car instead.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      I am too cheap to buy a new car... I'll keep driving it until it dies.. and then probably repair it. Heck, after I had a major surgery last year my mother convinced me to buy a new motorcycle... so I found a 1975 Honda in a barn and restored it.
      The truth is that the market is shrinking and I am struggling to keep my crew gainfully employed. Thus, I spend my earnings on new projects hoping they will work out. Sometimes they do... most times they don't.

    • @bryanfpv
      @bryanfpv 5 років тому

      Video Aerial Systems I see, sorry to hear. I heard the hobby was going down, but didnt know it was that bad. I'm gonna buy more antennas. I do wish 1.3 was more portable. Anyways god bless you and the crew. Hopefully regulations don't kill the passion.

  • @ktmjay9920
    @ktmjay9920 5 років тому +1

    👍✌️

  • @jscheiris
    @jscheiris 5 років тому +1

    Keep your designs , one day you may say hey it is time to make this one work. Cloners have taken enough from developers like your self.

  • @xigxagz
    @xigxagz 5 років тому

    Don't open source the 1.3G "Airscrew" , IMHO ... love your products, keep up the good work.

  • @nated1971
    @nated1971 5 років тому

    I'm sure you've thought of this, but would a cheap PCB CNC help reduce prototyping costs?

  • @lucasg2504
    @lucasg2504 5 років тому +1

    Don't open source, keep up the great work!

  • @KnowledgePerformance7
    @KnowledgePerformance7 5 років тому

    "Please let me know what you think I should do with the 1.3GHz Airscrew antenna."
    SEND ME ONE ASAP

  • @ttp_007
    @ttp_007 5 років тому

    Few people are loyal to brands, the majority are loyal to their money.
    Join hands with a good Chinese manufacturer, get an NDA signed, announce the new product publically and let the manufacturer in China make them with both brands on the product. Same deal you did with TBS on the triumph antennas. As the old saying says, "if you can't beat them join them". ...and that's my MHO.

  • @tweekFPV
    @tweekFPV 5 років тому +1

    👽👍

  • @MrDynamik1
    @MrDynamik1 5 років тому

    I would happily pay you over a Chinese company who just copies other people's design, don't go open source, please keep it private so you have the funding and motivation to keep innovation moving forward. Your work has a big impact on FPV and it means a lot to me and my fellow pilots. Thanks for your contribution to FPV and keep up the great work! Also, I really enjoy this new format, but I honestly feel like you're revealing too much. If anything, keep up educational videos that help normal people understand how the video system works and what's considered best practice.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      THe Chinese can't copy general ideas. They need a product in their hands. I'm not revealing anything that can easily be copied ;)

  • @lasersbee
    @lasersbee 5 років тому +2

    Yeah... the average consumer has no idea of how much time, effort and money that goes into a viable product before it come to market... Been there.. Done that... and it still goes on. ;-)
    Open Source is a way to give your hard work away to the competition. You will be giving away all your knowledge and expertise in a product that you developed, financed and designed.
    Open source is good for a guy with an idea that doesn't want to develop on his own $$$ or run a business
    Basically... Open Source will give you the name and acknowledgements while the bank is re-possessing your car and home due to no income .

  • @StigBSivertsen
    @StigBSivertsen 5 років тому

    Even though I would like to see the 1.3 Airscrew project open source since I would really like a smaller antenna I don't think it's a good idea. We need you in business not out of it... regards from Norway, Europa.

  • @througheagleseye585
    @througheagleseye585 5 років тому

    You should select does parts you have lying around that do perform well and sell them as DIY kits to maybe recover some of the costs. Those UHF antennas despite the size if perform well might find some interest as tripod mounted option to yagi or patch antennas. Other wise don't let Chinese get any rights to your time taken away from your life.

  • @EnuffsEnuff318
    @EnuffsEnuff318 5 років тому +1

    Everybody says "ummm"...the ones that don't edit them out for the cutesy high energy look. You're the antenna god....nuff said. I'm a 1.3 guy and I have noticed over the past 5 years that it has lost it's popularity from what I've seen. Great for me when I go to an event...there's always a 1.3 badge available. But is it still worth your efforts? I think the 5.8 crowd is planted. Even if you can shrink the 1.3 down, those guys still have a smaller lighter antenna with 5.8. Just my 2 cents.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      EnuffsEnuff318 - I am starting with 1.3GHz because it is easier. Once I get it, I will work on other frequencies ;)

  • @johome404
    @johome404 5 років тому +1

    The reason industrial espionage is such a problem in companies...R&D is so much $$$$$..!!!

  • @ayuminor
    @ayuminor 5 років тому

    RF Prototyping is a nightmare!

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      ayuminor - Indeed it is... But when it is all done, it was worth it.

  • @fr3dsky980
    @fr3dsky980 5 років тому

    I never build a zagi rc :(

  • @apluspool34
    @apluspool34 5 років тому +1

    We get it, that's why we spend are money on your products! Where is the long ion?

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      Oneeye Fpv - Check your favorite retailer this weekend ;)

  • @charlesphillips1642
    @charlesphillips1642 5 років тому

    Dipole microwave antenna like the diamond anttena can it be used with r178 wire cause THTS the wire I used with the attena mod I did.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      The 2.4Ghz diamond uses RG178. It went through 4 revisions, which I probably threw away since I didn't find them in this video.

    • @charlesphillips1642
      @charlesphillips1642 5 років тому

      Video Aerial Systems my mod I did I used rg178 what I'm asking is will tht work with the vas dipole anttena

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      That will work fine. No issues with RG178.

  • @LetsFlyRC
    @LetsFlyRC 5 років тому

    Watching this makes me wonder how much it would cost you to buy a machine to mill your own pdb boards. :)

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      Probably less than what I have spent so far...

  • @charlesphillips1642
    @charlesphillips1642 5 років тому +1

    No don't open source it THTS ur baby your hard work

  • @MrMPod
    @MrMPod 4 роки тому

    do NOT opensource, keep going with your great job

  • @Migueldeservantes
    @Migueldeservantes 5 років тому

    Well it comes to mind the question "What it means to you, when you say it doesn't work" I mean with a really small (baloon & or a antenna tuner circuit) can they still be useful! You can still sell those ones that are not up to your stringent specks... and all the people on the community try to experiment & learn with them! and as long as you sell them let us say for 50% profit over your cost! you'll have loose nothing..and those that don't really want to build it them self can "Like me, buy some of your products..and get the top notch dead on the mark great quality that we expect for our money!! Just my humble thoughts.. I know perfectly when one have a antenna that no matter what is impossible to tune to what in our mind was supposed to be the cream of the crime...

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      When I say "doesn't work" that can mean anything from "this is basically a dummy load" to "not good enough for me". The truth is that I don't want to bring anything to market unless I personally am happy with it. Call me a perfectionist if you will, but the truth is I expect a lot of my work.

    • @Migueldeservantes
      @Migueldeservantes 5 років тому

      Dear SIR, I say, I mean I say!! & "I'm mocking Foghorn Chicken...." I'm perhaps a thousand times more of a perfectionist... but you show a truck load of lost money that if stated most people will buy for just a few bucks more than what you pay for it in bulk.(and at least if the buyers are your competitors, they will literally buy a product that is no where near the top of what you sell). I did say it if I want a perfect product I will actually pay you for it. As I have done in the past
      You ask for peoples opinion and that is what I actually give you. It is actually your money, and your property.. you can just throw it on the recycle bin and call it a tax deduction..

  • @1HotShot40
    @1HotShot40 5 років тому

    Didn't you use 1.3ghz at Joe Nall? Your antennas were pretty small. I flew with you at the FPV area and thought you said you were on something different.

    • @vanguard6937
      @vanguard6937 5 років тому

      he used 3.3 at nall, using the 3.3 minion he talked about

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      That was 3.3Ghz. If I could get 1.3Ghz to that size I might be breaking the laws of physics ;)

    • @1HotShot40
      @1HotShot40 5 років тому

      I never know what I might see come out of VAS. Good luck with the 1.3.

  • @gorak9000
    @gorak9000 5 років тому

    Why are you getting boards in 100ct minimums? Lots of places you can get 2 or 5 or 10 boards, which for prototypes is about all you need. Then you wouldn't end up with boxes and boxes of useless pcbs kicking around (and not paying for them either). Also what antenna modeling software are you using? Sure the 3d RF modeling software is expensive, but you might end up with less wasted garbage sitting around.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому +1

      I use 4NEC-2. I don't use PCB antenna software because it gives a false sense of security. Everytime I look at my vector analyzer with a computer design antenna it makes me cringe. I find Most modern antenna tools don't stack up to the old NEC engines.

  • @marc_frank
    @marc_frank 5 років тому

    jlcpcb? would that make prototyping cheaper?

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      They screw up 1 in 3 files I send them. They also reject about 1 in 4 that I send them. Advanced Circuits in Colorado seems to be the best at getting it right... but it is quite expensive. Time or money. I will end up spending more of one to save the other...

    • @marc_frank
      @marc_frank 5 років тому

      Video Aerial Systems hm, and what about a desktop cnc? XD

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому +1

      I am considering it. It would save me a small fortune...

  • @thekaduu
    @thekaduu 5 років тому

    It sounds like you need to invest into an antenna design/simulation/analysis software... A decent one.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231  5 років тому

      Not going to happen because it is never accurate. That only leads to a false sense of security. They have free trials of many of the good ones... and I learned that they just don't work.

    • @thekaduu
      @thekaduu 5 років тому

      Video Aerial Systems, there has to be a proprietary application which we cannot get a hold of... Computational fluid dynamics and molecular dynamics present just as hard to solve problems (I got involved in both). Properly modeling the problem maybe the challenging part even if there exists such a software... Have you tried HFWorks for SolidWorks? I know it is ton of money to get into Solid Works, but it's solid as the name suggests... One other suggestion I can make is to contact UA-camr TheSignalPath.

  • @0calvin
    @0calvin 5 років тому

    I think you already know the answer... Hell no don't open source. Not with your r&d expenses. However, you could do it for some of your fails and see if anyone else can make a go of them.

  • @finbenton
    @finbenton 5 років тому

    With that amount of money you could have gotten a bunch of pcb manufacturing stuff to prototype instead of ordering big batches of failed product.

  • @krcnz
    @krcnz 5 років тому

    Dont open source - just keep being honest and there for questions.

  • @NMdesertracer
    @NMdesertracer 5 років тому

    Keep it closed source! I only buy the real deal VAS!

  • @mistercohaagen
    @mistercohaagen 5 років тому

    Don't be a patent troll... Open Source everything having to do with radiophysics. Live-stream your research, and ask for R&D donations on the stream. Keep the brand itself; we need more innovative products, but you could better leverage who you are to this scene and create more brand loyalty. Also, if we can directly offset your R&D cost, while creating a near-constant engagement with the consumers of this technology to guide where you take it (so you don't overproduce an unwanted product), it could be a win-win in terms of lower pricing for a premium product for us, and higher and more reliable profitability for you. All of that R&D waste is loss in profit for you, and higher cost for us. I'd feel better donating directly to meaningful scientific innovation that I can actually witness, and paying less for a product that will inevitably be destroyed in a crash ; ). Also, better antennas absolutely means safer flights! That fact isn't promoted enough.

  • @nutrox84
    @nutrox84 5 років тому

    Do not open source, your hard work and effort will be ripped off! Id rather buy from you!

  • @jackripper4856
    @jackripper4856 5 років тому

    Iike the video open Honestly behind the scenes. Do not open source it.

  • @marc_frank
    @marc_frank 5 років тому +1

    nice talking, i don't care about the umms and ahhs, it's similar to Linus Tech Tips

  • @ndcapper
    @ndcapper 5 років тому

    Don't open source it! Intellectual property is good to keep to yourself. I'd love to see it for the DIY hobbyist... however it will be picked up by mass production in China. Mass production won't care about QA and market will be filled with crap

  • @mattsmith4843
    @mattsmith4843 5 років тому

    No to open source

  • @ThatFlyinRyan
    @ThatFlyinRyan 5 років тому

    Nooo never release the info unless someone is going to innovative it with you !

  • @1337flite
    @1337flite 5 років тому

    Keep it closed. Seems to me a kit is just as easy to clone as a finished product, so sell it as a kit if you don't want to sell it as a finished product,
    Not sure what the time period is for the all those prototype/dev models but it seems to me you are doing a lot of throw something at a wall and see if it sticks.
    Can you make smarter investments, e.g. instead of iterating like crazy, try get a consulting engineer to see if they can make a suggestion on solving some of those last 5% of solution for the almost there products.
    There have to be other RF engineers with R&D experience in this space - the bands are ISM (for the most part) so other people are making products in those bands.
    Maybe it's time for a little investment in yourself and a it of formal education (from what I recall of your life story you're pretty much all self trained)?
    Unfortunately business is an arena you have to compete with a whole lot of people with low morals - and from what I can see most of it started in US think tanks and corporation 30 or 40 years ago, where the pursuit of short term maximum corporate profit and maximum personal gain (bonusses for increasing short term profit) was seen as the best thing to do.
    The reason "China" can clone your products is because 20-30 years ago American corporations abandoned their "expensive" employees to exploit a cheaper overseas wortforce. Unbridled capitalism. Don't drink the Koolaid.
    They did the same with my industry ( IT and comms) - except in my case it was even easier, because in most cases you don't need to be physically present in the marketplace.
    TBH it really annoys me when most FPV related companies make this complaint. Unless they are employing manufacturing people in their home country and only buying products from their home country to the extent possible, then I don't think they really have a valid moral argument when they complain about cloners.
    Kudos to you Alex you appear to be one of the only well known companies in the FPV industry that is doing it right.

  • @pkvillager
    @pkvillager 5 років тому

    Look at the lens when you do vids not the screen :)
    Open source sucks. This hobby would be further along if the originators made actual companies and were rewarded for their ingenuity. Most people have no idea what it takes to run any type of company.

  • @papofpv.5633
    @papofpv.5633 5 років тому

    Dont open source

  • @brandonwoodford579
    @brandonwoodford579 5 років тому

    Dont open source it. You just showed us yourself why, and explained exactly why you shouldn't go open. its crazy how much your put into revisions, and failures to get something that works. to have it open source is to shoot yourself in the foot.

  • @Burbsi
    @Burbsi 5 років тому

    don't open source it. This hobby has already been hit hard by copycats. Frames, actioncams, antennas, flightcontrollers...

  • @ge3e3
    @ge3e3 5 років тому

    Don't open source!!!

  • @joehamon9570
    @joehamon9570 5 років тому

    Hell no you’ve put to much work into making them work why open source when it’s already done just finish it an sell open source works if you need help obviously you don’t
    do no need to take money outa your pocket to line Lazy cloners

  • @joehamon9570
    @joehamon9570 5 років тому

    Hell no you’ve put to much work into making them work why open source when it’s already done just finish it an sell open source works if you need help obviously you don’t do no need to take money outa your pocket to line Lazy cloners